Development ceased, see this post (https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=9759.msg218529#msg218529)Combat Realism:This mod is an extensive overhaul of the game's combat to make it both more realistic and more tactical and engaging.
(http://i.imgur.com/mcZo0lr.png)(http://i.imgur.com/6aPkISr.png)(http://i.imgur.com/iLXDz5A.png)
Features:All weapons have been rebalanced:
- All weapons have ranges corresponding to their real life effective range. This means sniper rifles and heavy machine guns can easily cover half the map provided they have line of sight.
- All weapons do damage in accordance with their calibers. No longer does putting a scope on your weapon make your bullets fly 5 times harder. Bullet speed is 1/5 of real world muzzle velocity.
- Rate of fire is based on real world values.
- Cooldown times are based on a weapons action type. Automatic weapons have very low cooldown, while pump- and bolt-action take significantly longer. For sniper rifles it is also based on type: .50cal anti-materiel rifles cannot be fired from the shoulder and need time to set up and tear down.
- Weapons inflict penalties based on their loaded weight: -0.1c/s movespeed and -2% workspeed per kg.
- Market values have been rebalanced in accordance with weapons' new power.
- Shotguns fire 8 low damage pellets instead of a single projectile with damage depending on how many hit.
- Many explosives now use a new fragmentation effect, scattering lethal shell fragments over large distances.
- And more...
The health system has been rebalanced:
- Generally, limbs are tougher while organs are squishier and bleed much more. A rifle shot to an unprotected heart is lethal, but it does not send an arm flying. Only repeated hits or a high power round (.50cal, Lasgun, etc.) can destroy limbs.
- Internal body parts are significantly more likely to be hit. The human body is chock-full of vital organs and you are much more likely to hit one of them rather than this generic "torso" area that 80% of vanilla bullets would hit.
- Battle wounds cause more pain, more bleeding and more penalties overall.
- Walls and rocks are nearly impervious to bullets while explosives deal increased damage.
The aiming system has been redone:
- Pawns have two stats, one for aiming and one for shooting
- Pawns have to lead and estimate range on a target
- Guns have inherent shot spread and dynamic recoil
- Bullet height is tracked to determine collision. If a squirrel is behind a wall of sandbags you can't hit it
- Collision is now dependent on how close the bullet actually passes to the target instead of pure RNG
- And more...
New inventory and ammo system:
- Pawns can carry various sidearms and items in their inventory
- Carrying items confers penalties based on weight and bulk of carried items
- Inventory space is limited
- Weapons have magazines and need to be reloaded
- Reloading consumes ammo
- Different ammo types give different effects
- Ammo can be looted from raiders, bought or crafted
Armor system has been redone:
- Projectiles have armor penetration now
- Deflection chances and damage depend on the relation of armor penetration to armor reduction
- If penetration is too low damage won't go through the armor
- Shots absorbed by armor might still cause bruises
- And more...
New suppression mechanic:
- Pawns have a suppression threshold dependent on their mental break threshold and current mood
- Bullets flying past pawns will add to their suppression meter depending on the bullet's base damage and chances to penetrate the pawns armor
- Once the threshold is reached pawns will run for the nearest cover
- If suppression keeps building past the threshold a pawn will eventually hunker down
- Hunkered pawns gain a lower profile, becoming impossible to hit through most hard cover but they also can't move or shoot
Important note: As many people have been asking about this, improvised turrets have been changed. Instead of being built they are made at the machining table and placed as minified furniture.Current release available from GitHub here (https://github.com/NoImageAvailable/CombatRealism/releases/latest)
Installation:
- Download and extract the Community Core Library (https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=14172.0)
- Make sure you place CCL right below Core in your load order
- Download and install the CR Core using standard installation procedure (https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=18272.0)
- Place Combat Realism Core below CCL in your load order
- [optional] Download and install CR Defence, place below CR Core
- [optional] Download and install any compatibility patches (see the "Compatibility" section below)
Combat Realism Defence:(http://i.imgur.com/J79V4Zz.png)
This is an optional addon introducing various defensive structures:
- Barbed wire: Slow the enemy, cheap to build and lets gunfire through without providing cover.
- Embrasures: Walls that let you shoot through them.
- M240: Medium manned machine-gun turret, excellent for decimating enemy forces as they approach your colony.
- Cannon Turret: A manned cannon emplacement. Fires HEAT shells that are effective against enemy armor and clustered infantry alike
- AGS-30: Light-weight automatic grenade launcher, punches through even the heaviest cover.
- Heavy Turret: Heavy automatic gun emplacement with a high caliber gun and improved health.
- Charge Blaster Turret: Rapid-firing advanced auto turret with high rate of fire and range.
- KPV: Heavy machine gun firing large caliber rounds, good for suppressive fire and taking out heavily armored targets.
The embrasures and barbed wire can be built while the new turrets have to be bought from combat suppliers.
Installation:Install the main mod.
Download and extract Combat Realism Defence.
Place the addon below the main mod in your load order (Recommended EdB Mod Order (https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=7454.0))
License:(https://i.creativecommons.org/l/by-nc-sa/4.0/88x31.png) (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
Note that as far as I'm concerned taking donations falls under "commercial use" and you do
not have permission to use my work if you plan on collecting donations.
Compatibility:Mods that modify vanilla weapons, walls, bodies or body parts (human and mechanoid, animals are fine), rock walls or rock chunks are inherently incompatible, meaning whichever mod is last in your load order will overwrite the changes of the other. Mods that add new guns, body parts, etc. are not incompatible but will likely be unbalanced in the context of this mod. Compatibility patches for the following mods exist:
- Rimfire (https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=9536.0) compatibility patch available on the mod page
- Expanded Prosthetics and Organ Engineering patch available here (https://www.dropbox.com/s/yjyn5j3k9honpxr/CombatRealism%20EPOE.rar?dl=0). Load after both CR and EPOE.
- Auto-Equip patch by pestilenz available here (https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=9759.msg215932#msg215932)
Known issues:- Sometimes enemies don't properly attack pawns behind embrasures.
- When hunting, pawns will close to point-blank range for an execution but will be unable to hit particularly large animals like rhinos.
Contributors:
- Alistaire - coding, misc art
- fluffy - coding, misc art
- Latta - coding, Korean translation
- A friend - art
- stinkycat752 - art
- Shinzy - art
- DaemonDeathAngel - consultant on the topic of pain caused by bullet wounds and knife attacks.
Credits:- Realistic Weapons (https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=5807.0) by AY - The original inspiration for this mod.
- Defend That Colony! (https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=9492.0) by elStrages - Adopted the trenches and barbed wire.
- Turret Collection (https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=6895.0) by eatKenny - Adopted cannon turret sound effects.
- BBream - Original code for minified turrets
Tips:- Combat is very lethal as most weapons have the potential to oneshot a pawn. Wear body armor to eliminate this risk as only a few weapons are capable of destroying organs through an armor vest.
- Weapons are generally best at their individual range brackets. Shotguns, SMG's and sub-carbines rule close range combat, assault rifles dominate the fields and sniper rifles can take out enemies from far away. MGs also have a lot of range and firepower, however they are highly inaccurate and are therefore best used against clusters of enemies.
- Make sure to build up your defenses in time. You don't need killboxes but a well placed heavy machine gun can make a group of tribals turn tail before they even reach the colony.
- Stick to cover and watch your flanks. Pawns in the open are very vulnerable. Make sure you bring appropriate weaponry for the battlefield, charging through rifle fire to get into shotgun range is a good way to get killed.
- Use rapid fire on automatic weapons to suppress high value targets. Suppression prevents the use of aimed shot and can make pawns hunker down. Putting a lot of MG fire on a pawn with a rocket launcher might make the difference between him whiffing or blowing up your pillbox.
- Make intelligent use of aim modes. Use aimed shot to hit far-away targets and snapshot to get the first strike in close quarters. Use single and burst fire to take out single targets and auto fire to suppress or break up clustered enemies.
- Choose the right ammo for the enemy you are facing. Hollow-points shred unarmored opponents but are easily deflected while armor-piercing rounds excel against body armor and Mechanoids.
- Mortar shells are lethal but their fragments can be stopped by sandbags and other obstructions. Take cover to increase your chance of survival.
- If you're having trouble with Centipedes, try crafting EMP weapons. Wait until they are in range of your defenders, then hit them with the EMP, it will stun them and do a fair bit of electrical damage. To take them down you will need weapons with high armor penetration or explosives so plan your loadouts accordingly.
I'm going to have to take a look at this.
Ohhhh yeah, just the right combo of items to grab my attention by the short'n curlies and make me give it a go! :)
can this apply the new rules to other new weapon mods in the game?
if not please tell me this is possible in an update.
Awesome, can't wait to try this out.
Yaaaaaaaaaasssssssssss
Well, 100 days in so far and I can safely say that this mod helps keep your population low.. Not because of colonist deaths but rather because Browning Mgs don't leave many survivors :P
Great mod :)
I have just 1 question. Can you rename your modified version of PA "CR Project armory 217" for exemple ? Because I actually can't have your version and the original one in my mod folder without replacing it.
I ask this because I want the 2 versions and being able to choose to play with the original version or your modified realistic version when I want to begin a game.
Or, can I rename your version like my proposition for exemple without creating a bug ?
Quote from: numen0r on January 29, 2015, 01:29:56 PM
can this apply the new rules to other new weapon mods in the game?
if not please tell me this is possible in an update.
Unfortunately no, while other weapon mods won't have any compatibility issues, their weapon values won't be balanced for this mod. The only way to fix it would be to manually adjust the weapon stats to fit in.
Quote from: HBKRKO619 on January 29, 2015, 04:30:06 PM
Great mod :)
I have just 1 question. Can you rename your modified version of PA "CR Project armory 217" for exemple ? Because I actually can't have your version and the original one in my mod folder without replacing it.
I ask this because I want the 2 versions and being able to choose to play with the original version or your modified realistic version when I want to begin a game.
Or, can I rename your version like my proposition for exemple without creating a bug ?
You can rename the PA folders just fine, the only issue is that PA's integrated Weapon Kit Switcher will give you an error message telling you to put it into the PA directory if the folder is renamed. You can safely ignore it and it will work just fine but that's the reason I didn't rename it. Ingame it doesn't matter what the folders are named.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on January 29, 2015, 04:40:05 PM
Quote from: HBKRKO619 on January 29, 2015, 04:30:06 PM
Great mod :)
I have just 1 question. Can you rename your modified version of PA "CR Project armory 217" for exemple ? Because I actually can't have your version and the original one in my mod folder without replacing it.
I ask this because I want the 2 versions and being able to choose to play with the original version or your modified realistic version when I want to begin a game.
Or, can I rename your version like my proposition for exemple without creating a bug ?
You can rename the PA folders just fine, the only issue is that PA's integrated Weapon Kit Switcher will give you an error message telling you to put it into the PA directory if the folder is renamed. You can safely ignore it and it will work just fine but that's the reason I didn't rename it. Ingame it doesn't matter what the folders are named.
Thanks you for this quick answer, I will do this :)
I just realized while reading the mod description that this is what I need in my life currently. ;D
Cool! :D
I might have to try this.
This is the shotgun I expected, not vanilla's psuedo-shotgun!
May I use your shotgun source?
Hi hi! :D
Am I the only one getting this fun little yellow thing?
(http://i.imgur.com/7H9bRar.jpg)
I'm only assuming it comes from this mod, so just to be sure I wanted to check if anyone else is having this issue.
If noone else has it, I'll start to dig around to see if it's an incompatibility with a mod. :)
IT'S DEBUGGING TIME! ᕦ(✧ㅂ✧ˇ)ᕤ
Quote from: SilverDragon on January 29, 2015, 11:29:54 PM
Hi hi! :D
Am I the only one getting this fun little yellow thing?
(http://i.imgur.com/7H9bRar.jpg)
I'm only assuming it comes from this mod, so just to be sure I wanted to check if anyone else is having this issue.
If noone else has it, I'll start to dig around to see if it's an incompatibility with a mod. :)
IT'S DEBUGGING TIME! ᕦ(✧ㅂ✧ˇ)ᕤ
I have the first and second yellow things (XML errors), and I haven't activated this mod yet. and one more yellow error from glitter tech mod, something about mg5 pistol thingdef thingy.
My first two thoughts (my "review," I guess?) on playing:
1.) HOLY **** THE RANGE ON GUNS
2.) That's... unfair. :(
The second one is what I wanted - actual lethality to guns. Sure, killboxes will make quick work of... EVERYTHING, but even a simple hunting mistake will likely be fatal; attacking mortar groups head on is actually challenging now; even having a person pass in front of a turret at the wrong moment is just as fatal as it should be.
People who don't like micro-managing or who favor melee weapons should probably keep away from this mod. If you don't keep a close eye on your colonists, they will die. If they're caught out in the open, they will likely die. If they have a melee weapon and you have the What the Deuce mod installed, they will poo their pants* and then die.
The first... I'm torn on. I do believe the guns needed more range, but I was just being shot at by a laser assault rifle of some sort (forgive me, I didn't check to see what weapon it was), and it seemed to be about 60cs away, at minimum (the accuracy was complete garbage at that range, of course, but it scared me for a bit!).
REVIEW/TL;DR VERSION: While I think the range should be tweak slightly, I think this is a VERY good mod, and should be a staple for anyone looking to add further difficulty and lethality to their games
*(Joke for emphasis: the point is, this mod makes using melee ALMOST impossible).
The first error">" is a know bug of the Glasswork mod. See this thread (https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=3223.msg90384#msg90384) for a simple correction.
Quote from: Latta on January 29, 2015, 11:20:44 PM
This is the shotgun I expected, not vanilla's psuedo-shotgun!
May I use your shotgun source?
Sure. I've released the mod as Creative Commons so you are free to modify and/or include parts of this mod in other mods so long as appropriate credit is given.
Quote from: SilverDragon on January 29, 2015, 11:29:54 PM
Hi hi! :D
Am I the only one getting this fun little yellow thing?
(http://i.imgur.com/7H9bRar.jpg)
I'm only assuming it comes from this mod, so just to be sure I wanted to check if anyone else is having this issue.
If noone else has it, I'll start to dig around to see if it's an incompatibility with a mod. :)
IT'S DEBUGGING TIME! ᕦ(✧ㅂ✧ˇ)ᕤ
The BodyPartRecord warning was indeed caused by this mod, it seems when calculating the body part coverage I didn't consider that arms and legs also count as part of the torso. I uploaded a hotfix.
Quote from: TheSilencedScream on January 30, 2015, 01:10:33 AM
*(Joke for emphasis: the point is, this mod makes using melee ALMOST impossible).
Well, you know what they say about bringing a knife to a gun fight. ;)
The range calculations are currently a holdover from Realistic Weapons. While it is sound in theory it kinda runs into problems in Rimworld because there are no Z levels and foliage doesn't block shots. I think its good enough on Large Hills and Mountain type maps but on Small Hills and Flat you might run into problems. I've also been considering doing another pass on that in the future although I'd rather wait for some more feedback first.
Also, I'm glad to hear people are liking the mod. :)
id wait for personal shields before messing with melee and balancing against it. Its gonna be a game changer for melee.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on January 30, 2015, 04:11:56 AM
The BodyPartRecord warning was indeed caused by this mod, it seems when calculating the body part coverage I didn't consider that arms and legs also count as part of the torso. I uploaded a hotfix.
Nice! I'm glad it was this mod so I posted on the right thread! ;D I'm currently running Rimworld with 102 (112 since I bunched up 11 mods into one on Quality of Life), so finding where the errors come from is getting abit tedious.
Could you please attach the mods to the post, rather than just link to a third-party? I find MediaFire extremely frustrating to download from, at least from Asia - constant errors...
Quote from: akiceabear on January 30, 2015, 06:15:05 AM
Could you please attach the mods to the post, rather than just link to a third-party? I find MediaFire extremely frustrating to download from, at least from Asia - constant errors...
Both archives are above the maximum filesize for attachments. The best I could offer you would be to upload it to another mirror like Dropbox.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on January 30, 2015, 07:35:17 AM
Quote from: akiceabear on January 30, 2015, 06:15:05 AM
Could you please attach the mods to the post, rather than just link to a third-party? I find MediaFire extremely frustrating to download from, at least from Asia - constant errors...
Both archives are above the maximum filesize for attachments. The best I could offer you would be to upload it to another mirror like Dropbox.
I prefer dropbox over everything nowadays. Any day. :D
Quote from: SilverDragon on January 30, 2015, 08:30:36 AM
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on January 30, 2015, 07:35:17 AM
Quote from: akiceabear on January 30, 2015, 06:15:05 AM
Could you please attach the mods to the post, rather than just link to a third-party? I find MediaFire extremely frustrating to download from, at least from Asia - constant errors...
Both archives are above the maximum filesize for attachments. The best I could offer you would be to upload it to another mirror like Dropbox.
I prefer dropbox over everything nowadays. Any day. :D
They're all the same to me, but I have uploaded it to Dropbox now. Let me know if there are any more download issues.
Can I use this without PA, personal preference.
Quote from: Scienta on January 30, 2015, 10:10:43 AM
Can I use this without PA, personal preference.
Yes. The main module is a standalone overhaul of all the vanilla weapons and will function without the rest.
shouldn't there be a modified project armor in the main and defense download
Quote from: popster99 on January 30, 2015, 11:58:49 AM
shouldn't there be a modified project armor in the main and defense download
No, the modified PA version has connection to the Defence Pack.
I'm not finding the PA files in either of the downloads posted... Maybe I'm missing something?
You're not missing something, it seems I made a facepalm-worthy mistake and forgot to include it in the archive when I uploaded the hotfix. I put it up as a separate download now, sorry about that.
No problems... If we didn't have face-palm moments in life what would be the point!!... Glad I could help remedy the situation ;)
I really like the mortar blast radius, among other things. No need to have dozens of them anymore to get results.
Thanks for adding DropBox, much more reliable from my area of the world! :)
Excellent work. Guns as dangerous as they should be.
Now all you have to do is make melee weapons a bit more deadly, as well. I've literally seen a 10-skill melee weapon hunter take 30-40 swings on a boar to kill it, with a hunting knife. Even a stick should have incapacitated the thing after no more than 10 blows, fatal shortly after.
We'll see if the changes to organ damage do anything to help.
Melee weapons will definitely get a rebalance some time in the future, lots of oddities right now (concrete club severing legs in one blow, wait what?). I didn't rebalance animal body parts though, so many parts and I don't really have any reference for them.
Also, speaking of mortars, I've been testing a new explosion effect (http://i.imgur.com/vAGZ24l.jpg). The next version will include smaller, stronger explosions with lots of shrapnel flying in a large radius, so mortar shells will be more deadly against soft targets in the open while walls and cover will provide more protection (no more raider mortars wiping out entire trade stockpiles in one hit). The same effect will be applied to all explosives with fragmentation effect, i.e. HEAT shells, frag grenades, etc.
the shrapnel part sounds really cool
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on January 31, 2015, 05:05:27 AM
Also, speaking of mortars, I've been testing a new explosion effect (http://i.imgur.com/vAGZ24l.jpg). The next version will include smaller, stronger explosions with lots of shrapnel flying in a large radius, so mortar shells will be more deadly against soft targets in the open while walls and cover will provide more protection (no more raider mortars wiping out entire trade stockpiles in one hit). The same effect will be applied to all explosives with fragmentation effect, i.e. HEAT shells, frag grenades, etc.
Oh yes thank you, i was quite surprised when i got besieged, 4 mortar shells managed to rip most of my defenses (including my newly built M2 Browning). And obviously, randy helped alot when he gave me 3 besieges in a row, with this mod installed :P
Mortars are vicious, had two slam deep into the center of my base and completely shredded several colonists, my doctor was hit and lost her entire left side. Ended up having to fight it out amongst my ruins, only for my last colonists to go berserk and punch a muffalo for mutual assured destruction.
http://i.gyazo.com/fdf746c80b95879837445190abdb67f4.png
This interferes with door control :(!!!! https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=9054.0
Quote from: Dragoon on February 03, 2015, 10:06:15 AM
This interferes with door control :(!!!! https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=9054.0
Thanks for bringing this to my attention, I've added a compatibility patch.
When you deconstruct your mortars, you lose all the ammo loaded in them. Is there a way to fix this?
Quote from: Ronin90 on February 03, 2015, 03:56:08 PM
When you deconstruct your mortars, you lose all the ammo loaded in them. Is there a way to fix this?
Maybe, but considering A9 is coming soonish and includes its own ammo system I don't think its worth the effort to be honest.
every time I load my game the internal ammo count of my mortars goes -1.
Would you be willing to make https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=9536.0 (rimfire) balanced version of this mod it's also vanilla friendly so I figured they would work well together.
Quote from: Dragoon on February 10, 2015, 05:26:21 AM
Would you be willing to make https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=9536.0 (rimfire) balanced version of this mod it's also vanilla friendly so I figured they would work well together.
As a heads up for someone who started on this already, I've been working on one for a while now. I haven't played with Combat Realism yet, but I'm referencing the xml values for balance.
Quote from: Alistaire on February 10, 2015, 01:39:50 PM
As a heads up for someone who started on this already, I've been working on one for a while now. I haven't played with Combat Realism yet, but I'm referencing the xml values for balance.
:D COOL! I love your mods @_@
It would be super awesome if you made a compatible version of Shinzy's Apparello. Between that, and Project armory, its basically a whole new game. Also, maybe finding some way to nerf the mechanoids? 2 centipedes with miniguns cut through my defenses in seconds. Their withering fire evaporated my stone walls and made mince meat of my colonist on the other side. When they fire at their max range there's just nothing you can do except cry.
Quote from: Ire of the Mad God on February 10, 2015, 04:36:19 PM
It would be super awesome if you made a compatible version of Shinzy's Apparello. Between that, and Project armory, its basically a whole new game. Also, maybe finding some way to nerf the mechanoids? 2 centipedes with miniguns cut through my defenses in seconds. Their withering fire evaporated my stone walls and made mince meat of my colonist on the other side. When they fire at their max range there's just nothing you can do except cry.
Miniguns shouldn't be able to do that much damage to walls, that sounds like you have a compatibility problem. Do you have any other mods that modify the base walls? Also, I play with Apparello myself and I didn't run into any compatibility issues, so it doesn't need a patch.
At the time, yes, but it was the better beacons mod, which as far as I know doesn't modify the walls. Also, while using apparello I saw a couple of graphical issues, mostly gun textures not appearing, and odd artifacting around certain characters.
Quote from: Ire of the Mad God on February 10, 2015, 04:46:22 PM
At the time, yes, but it was the better beacons mod, which as far as I know doesn't modify the walls. Also, while using apparello I saw a couple of graphical issues, mostly gun textures not appearing, and odd artifacting around certain characters.
You have to restart your game every time you open the mod menu, otherwise you will get garbled textures. It is a known issue with the game and I'm guessing the cause of your problems.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on February 10, 2015, 04:50:10 PM
Quote from: Ire of the Mad God on February 10, 2015, 04:46:22 PM
At the time, yes, but it was the better beacons mod, which as far as I know doesn't modify the walls. Also, while using apparello I saw a couple of graphical issues, mostly gun textures not appearing, and odd artifacting around certain characters.
You have to restart your game every time you open the mod menu, otherwise you will get garbled textures. It is a known issue with the game and I'm guessing the cause of your problems.
alright, I'll give it a shot when I get home. Anyways, awesome work. The mod makes the combat so much more challenging, it makes for a way more challenging (fun) experience.
Why does the bolt pistol only have 10 range?
Quote from: Dragoon on February 12, 2015, 03:25:40 AM
Why does the bolt pistol only have 10 range?
Pistol ranges are currently standardized across the board
because I was too lazy to research them properly. I'll take another look at them for the next update.
I know you will be busy (project armor is huge!) but if you have the time after the next release ( I figure you'll be really busy when alpha 9 comes out) would you be willing to make a project haloverse realism mod https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=7703.0 ( It has the stuff to make super soldiers :D) .
- Hope this list is updated for A9, as I really enjoy it!
- I've had a problem in some plays where it isn't possible for a pawn to mount a mortar/turrent. Is this bug known? Tried reloading the save a few times to no avail... I can share a save if helpful, although I wonder if it is a too-many-mods issue...
Quote from: akiceabear on February 19, 2015, 05:05:19 AM
- Hope this list is updated for A9, as I really enjoy it!
- I've had a problem in some plays where it isn't possible for a pawn to mount a mortar/turrent. Is this bug known? Tried reloading the save a few times to no avail... I can share a save if helpful, although I wonder if it is a too-many-mods issue...
1. An update for vanilla is in the works and will likely be released either this weekend or early next week. It will include a number of new features and balance tweaks as well as Alpha 9 compatibility. The Project Armory version is coming as soon as the PA team updates it to A9.
2. I never had this issue, nor has anyone else reported it. I'd say wait and see if it persists into the A9 version and report it again if it does.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on February 19, 2015, 05:23:05 AM
1. An update for vanilla is in the works and will likely be released either this weekend or early next week. It will include a number of new features and balance tweaks as well as Alpha 9 compatibility. The Project Armory version is coming as soon as the PA team updates it to A9.
2. I never had this issue, nor has anyone else reported it. I'd say wait and see if it persists into the A9 version and report it again if it does.
Great on 1! I like playing at least one "full" playthrough on each vanilla beta, but look forward to the high-stakes combat realism after that :)
Re mount bug: it has only occurred since adding a few mods and starting to play on Mac (which I use when on the road). I've noticed in general that version is slightly wonkier, so probably goes beyond this mod specifically.
Updated to Alpha 9, added fragmentation effect to various explosives (see changelog on first page for more details):
(http://i.imgur.com/D0ix6vo.png)
While I did some performance testing to guarantee smooth gameplay I suspect slower machines might struggle with large mortar barrages. Feedback regarding this would be appreciated. Although given their new effectiveness I'm guessing there won't be more than 3-4 mortars firing at any given time so impact on FPS should be minimal. Also, due to personal time constraints I was not able to playtest this version extensively so any feedback regarding gameplay would be appreciated as well.
Look forward to trying it!
Awesome, i was waiting for this.
Are vanilla turrets also changed to reflect realism?
Quote from: Avtomatik on February 23, 2015, 10:22:18 AM
Are vanilla turrets also changed to reflect realism?
They were for A8, so I assume the same is true in A9.
I'd be nice to include turrets from 'more vanilla turrets' mod to diversify the options, if its not too much work
combatrealism.dll keeps getting picked up by norton antivirus as a risk. Anyway to prevent this?
Quote from: PilotBhav04 on February 23, 2015, 11:34:10 AM
combatrealism.dll keeps getting picked up by norton antivirus as a risk. Anyway to prevent this?
Can't really help you with that as I don't use Norton. You could try to add it as an exception, although I don't know if other Norton users have the same problem. Might want to run a virus check just in case.
I just created a mod that re-textures the slag and stone chunks ... and noticed that it conflicts with your mod. It's not a major conflict, since it doesn't crash the game, but it is something worth noting (in case anyone asks).
Steel Rock Slag Mod (https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=10778.0)
I noticed that your mod edits the Various_Stones.xml ... as does my re-texture - hence the conflict. If your mod is loaded first, then everything is fine. If your mod is loaded after the Steel Rock Slag mod, then the new retextures don't show.
You might want to make a note of it in your instructions (in case people are trying to run both). Thanks!
All in all this mod is a better experience then vanilla, but i recommend more researching and effort. A pistol having shorter range then a shotgun is absurd if we are talking about realism. A five-seven, for example, can penetrate kevlar 300 hundred meters away.
Really hope to see this grow to the point everything is a perfect reflection of reality, would be very interesting. But, if you decide to rebalance the whole project armory you can't be lazy (your own words) to the point of not researching how is a generic pistol compared to a generic shotgun.
In a side-note, taking the five-seven as example again, it has a range of 1500m but only 50m of effective range. That means it loses accuracy over distance, but it can still shot very far. You would have to keep in mind that giving a pistol a very far range/very low medium-long range accuracy would not create a good experience in Rimworld (AI would shot pistols from very far as if they were as efficient as a sniper.) Soo that kind of things has to be kept in mind... Not everything can be rough realism in a game like this or the final experience will be flawed; some adaptions are necessary.
Good luck.
This is a fantastic improvement over vanilla; makes it a different game, a better game. Thank you.
Quote from: rakkaus on February 24, 2015, 08:26:23 AM
All in all this mod is a better experience then vanilla, but i recommend more researching and effort. A pistol having shorter range then a shotgun is absurd if we are talking about realism. A five-seven, for example, can penetrate kevlar 300 hundred meters away.
Really hope to see this grow to the point everything is a perfect reflection of reality, would be very interesting. But, if you decide to rebalance the whole project armory you can't be lazy (your own words) to the point of not researching how is a generic pistol compared to a generic shotgun.
In a side-note, taking the five-seven as example again, it has a range of 1500m but only 50m of effective range. That means it loses accuracy over distance, but it can still shot very far. You would have to keep in mind that giving a pistol a very far range/very low medium-long range accuracy would not create a good experience in Rimworld (AI would shot pistols from very far as if they were as efficient as a sniper.) Soo that kind of things has to be kept in mind... Not everything can be rough realism in a game like this or the final experience will be flawed; some adaptions are necessary.
Good luck.
Ingame range is based on effective range, i.e. the range a skilled shooter can reliably hit a man-sized target, rather than the distance the bullet can fly. Otherwise the AI would just plink away at each other with pistols from half the map away as you said yourself. Not to mention that chance to hit can't fall below 2%, meaning you would actually have a realistic chance of hitting a guy at that distance with your pistol. Hence the range of pistols as non-adjustable sights and high bullet drop prevent you from accurately hitting targets at large distances.
On a related note I have uploaded the spreadsheets from which I created the mod to Google Docs (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-tEY47sU81UHlzelRSzq6kFr-rLzmm8LpM0l_Yb1NtU/edit?usp=sharing). They contain all the ingame stats as well as the real world stats from which they were calculated. Should you find some inaccuracies with a weapon you can comment on the specific value there and I'll have a look at it. Just keep in mind that the market values for the PA weapons were for the previous version and will be adjusted for A9 once PA is updated.
A compatability patch for Expanded Prosthetics and Organ Engineering would be awesome, I've such a soft spot for outfitting my pawns with bionics... :P
Something is a little funny here. I absolutely love the mod (I'm removing limbs with the M2 and getting off on it.), however it seems that the walls aren't really responding the way they should.
Ideally, a steel wall isn't going to be blown through by a weapon. Instead, mech miniguns and my M2 obliterate a wall section with 1 or 2 bullets.
I find it odd because the wall segment you can shoot through survived several bullets from a mechanoid, whereas the default steel wall sections to the left and right crumbled immediately.
Quote from: Kruniac on February 26, 2015, 02:30:12 AM
Something is a little funny here. I absolutely love the mod (I'm removing limbs with the M2 and getting off on it.), however it seems that the walls aren't really responding the way they should.
Ideally, a steel wall isn't going to be blown through by a weapon. Instead, mech miniguns and my M2 obliterate a wall section with 1 or 2 bullets.
I find it odd because the wall segment you can shoot through survived several bullets from a mechanoid, whereas the default steel wall sections to the left and right crumbled immediately.
Sounds like a conflicting mod is overriding the walls. Normally walls and rock formations should have the same resistance to bullets that the embrasures have.
Love your mod!
Used it in A8 without any problems, but now i have a strange issue:
The M2 Browning is buildable but when i`'s done, i cant't use it. And the despcription of the built item is some programming string.
I also use "more vanilla turrets", could that be an issue?
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on February 26, 2015, 03:58:36 AM
Quote from: Kruniac on February 26, 2015, 02:30:12 AM
Something is a little funny here. I absolutely love the mod (I'm removing limbs with the M2 and getting off on it.), however it seems that the walls aren't really responding the way they should.
Ideally, a steel wall isn't going to be blown through by a weapon. Instead, mech miniguns and my M2 obliterate a wall section with 1 or 2 bullets.
I find it odd because the wall segment you can shoot through survived several bullets from a mechanoid, whereas the default steel wall sections to the left and right crumbled immediately.
Sounds like a conflicting mod is overriding the walls. Normally walls and rock formations should have the same resistance to bullets that the embrasures have.
Combat Realism
Combat Realism Defence
Core
EDBPrepareCarefully (Disabled)
Hobo Stove
Icons
MediXP
Organ Engineering
Slavers
Target Practice
VeinMiner
Any ideas? From what little I know about the XML structure, nothing looks like it's overwriting the buildings file with the definitions in it. Is there some kind of load order thing I'm missing?
Quote from: HattoriHanzo on February 26, 2015, 04:24:55 AM
Love your mod!
Used it in A8 without any problems, but now i have a strange issue:
The M2 Browning is buildable but when i`'s done, i cant't use it. And the despcription of the built item is some programming string.
I also use "more vanilla turrets", could that be an issue?
Loaded up More Vanilla Turrets and I can't reproduce the bug. Can you post a screenshot + log?
Quote from: Kruniac on February 26, 2015, 12:55:55 PM
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on February 26, 2015, 03:58:36 AM
Quote from: Kruniac on February 26, 2015, 02:30:12 AM
Something is a little funny here. I absolutely love the mod (I'm removing limbs with the M2 and getting off on it.), however it seems that the walls aren't really responding the way they should.
Ideally, a steel wall isn't going to be blown through by a weapon. Instead, mech miniguns and my M2 obliterate a wall section with 1 or 2 bullets.
I find it odd because the wall segment you can shoot through survived several bullets from a mechanoid, whereas the default steel wall sections to the left and right crumbled immediately.
Sounds like a conflicting mod is overriding the walls. Normally walls and rock formations should have the same resistance to bullets that the embrasures have.
Combat Realism
Combat Realism Defence
Core
EDBPrepareCarefully (Disabled)
Hobo Stove
Icons
MediXP
Organ Engineering
Slavers
Target Practice
VeinMiner
Any ideas? From what little I know about the XML structure, nothing looks like it's overwriting the buildings file with the definitions in it. Is there some kind of load order thing I'm missing?
I looked through all these mods and didn't find any conflicts. Just for the record, you are loading CR after Core, right?
I just recently found out that there was a way to alter load order. I'm guessing what happened is that I loaded my mods willy nilly and something went wrong.
Now I'm loading RealismCore and RealismDefence absolutely last to make sure they take hold.
I've a suggestion: Remove the chance to hit this "Torso" entirely. I've complained about it in the past. I love most of rimworld's medical system. Except the Torso. If I got shot, and the wound scarred, my torso's integrity wouldn't be permanently and pretty badly compromised. I've have a mark on my skin. I might suffer a tension pneumo, or a hole in my bloody heart, in which case, I probably wouldn't survive, but my torso's structure would be fine.
Quote from: Facepunch on February 26, 2015, 08:00:25 PM
I've a suggestion: Remove the chance to hit this "Torso" entirely. I've complained about it in the past. I love most of rimworld's medical system. Except the Torso. If I got shot, and the wound scarred, my torso's integrity wouldn't be permanently and pretty badly compromised. I've have a mark on my skin. I might suffer a tension pneumo, or a hole in my bloody heart, in which case, I probably wouldn't survive, but my torso's structure would be fine.
I disagree. Just from being sliced up in various locations on my body, I have nerve damage scattered around and tendon weakness in certain places. I'd imagine a gunshot to the torso would be even worse.
I'm also assuming that we aren't using the most modern surgery in this game. Just some guy with 5 skill hacking you up and stitching you shut. I dunno.
Tendons, I can see being an issue. Nerve damage wouldn't overall compromise the integrity of your torso. Also, being shot is less damaging than getting cut, depending on the caliber of round, distance, velocity, etc. Getting stabbed damages a wider area of your body than the bullet would. Again, depending on the caliber(Getting hit by a .50 would kill you dead. You would be more hole than man, but a 9mm would make a neat hole in the front, a bit of a mess in the back, but overall nothing TOO severe). Why getting shot kills you, is organ and/or artery damage. I'd be fine with an added body "Part" that is the torso's circulatory system, massive blood loss, high health (To represent it's size), but quite easy to hit. I'm not saying it wouldn't leave you with temporary damages (Quite extreme damages, too) to your torso's integrity, but once it heals it wont be much more than a mark, and maybe the inability to move as well. That is, if you live long enough for it to heal.
I hope this question hasn't already been answered but where do I put the contents of the "Source" folder when installing the mod.
The problem with removing torso hit chance is that it will still be damaged even if not directly hit. Because body parts are defined as a tree structure (i.e. you have the torso as top node, which has child nodes like arms, legs and internal organs) and whenever a bullet hits a child node it will damage the top node as well, e.g. a hit to the heart will automatically damage the torso as well. I also left a small chance to hit the torso itself simply because it also has the intestine and body fat which aren't represented in the game, so there is a 15% chance to hit those.
Beyond that you also have to consider blunt weapons. If I were to remove the torso somehow they would start hitting internal organs and I don't think destroying a kidney with the swing of a club makes much sense.
Quote from: Pokk720 on February 27, 2015, 12:21:17 AM
I hope this question hasn't already been answered but where do I put the contents of the "Source" folder when installing the mod.
No need to put it anywhere, it just contains the source code for the .dll, in case other modders want to make use of it.
Oh okay. I've been playing with the mod for a while with the Source folder in the actual mods folder and it was correctly changing the attributes of guns and everything but I noticed a major difference in organ damage after I took it out. Anyway, thanks and your mod is genius.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on February 27, 2015, 02:16:24 AM
I don't think destroying a kidney with the swing of a club makes much sense.
Actually, considering your colonist's lives may depend on winning a fight (So they're actually hitting hard, probably as hard as they can), and they are armed with a club which increases the amount of force they can apply to the body considerably, its perfectly reasonable that a kidney be damaged to the point it's useless by a swing of the club. I mean, you can snap and shatter bones with a club, a kidneys a nice little squishy sack of meat. It's going to take that force, and it's going to mess things up.
Heads up; while browsing through your mod's XML I found that the frag grenade explodes into Fragment_MortarSmall, Medium and Large. However, just before the ThingDef of the frag grenade you define Fragment_GrenadeFragSmall, Medium and Large. These are never used.
I assume you want grenades to explode into those.
I quite like this mod, but find it makes repelling raids too easy, since ranges have been dramatically increased. One colonist with a survival rifle and 8-12 Shooting can snipe 2/3rds of a raid party. I suppose this is realistic given the range of an average hunting rifle or gun emplacement, but for the map sizes we have in RimWorld, perhaps it would help to also alter raid ThinkTrees to seek cover while "planning" instead of just wandering around in the open.
Solved my problem with the non-functional browning, was a loading-issue and the mod-load-order-mod helped!
Thanks for the great mod! In combination with the zombie-apoc-mod it's just hilarouis! Mewing through a horde of zombies with several brwonings is just that great :D
Hello!
I really like what this mod is trying to do as I have felt that some weapons in the game is just not working as I would like them to. I do have a question though. Firearms are now more deadly, great, that's what I'd like to see. But what is the chance that the people you're shooting at actually become incapped instead of just straight out killed? I do get that a .50-cal will just destroy a body, killing the pawn but what about smaller caliber weapons? Is it even possible to get more colonists with this mod installed or will everyone you shoot at just die if you hit? =P
So I don't seem to be able to haul any weapons. It always shows that there is "no empty space configured to store it", even though I have two large empty stockpiles that do have "weapons" enabled.
http://i.imgur.com/gF9QtHT.jpg these are the mods I use, I'm not sure if it's an issue with yours, but CR and Rimworld are the ones that deal with weapons a lot.
Nevermind, fixed itself.
Quote from: karlnp on March 01, 2015, 07:18:17 PM
I quite like this mod, but find it makes repelling raids too easy, since ranges have been dramatically increased. One colonist with a survival rifle and 8-12 Shooting can snipe 2/3rds of a raid party. I suppose this is realistic given the range of an average hunting rifle or gun emplacement, but for the map sizes we have in RimWorld, perhaps it would help to also alter raid ThinkTrees to seek cover while "planning" instead of just wandering around in the open.
The AI has been on my list of things to take a look at for A9 but due personal time constraints/health issues I haven't been able to dedicate much time to this mod, so I don't actually know what can or can't be done with the AI. Although from personal observations it seems that if enough Zerglings spawn with rifles etc. the horde will engage at an appropriate range.
Quote from: Bunisher on March 02, 2015, 05:25:45 AM
Hello!
I really like what this mod is trying to do as I have felt that some weapons in the game is just not working as I would like them to. I do have a question though. Firearms are now more deadly, great, that's what I'd like to see. But what is the chance that the people you're shooting at actually become incapped instead of just straight out killed? I do get that a .50-cal will just destroy a body, killing the pawn but what about smaller caliber weapons? Is it even possible to get more colonists with this mod installed or will everyone you shoot at just die if you hit? =P
Its entirely storyteller-based. If you don't like the amount of colonists you get from Cassandra you have to play on Randy.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on March 02, 2015, 08:28:53 AM
Its entirely storyteller-based. If you don't like the amount of colonists you get from Cassandra you have to play on Randy.
I'm sorry but I don't think you understood my question. I'll try to rephrase it. What is the chance of the ones you're shooting at to become incapped instead of just outright dying, so you can capture them and try to recruit them? Is it as high as the normal game or will it be harder with this mod installed? Since, you know, you said that it is a higher chance to hit a vital organ.
Edit: If it wasnt obvious yet, I still havent tried the mod due to still wondering about this.
Quote from: Bunisher on March 02, 2015, 09:28:53 AM
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on March 02, 2015, 08:28:53 AM
Its entirely storyteller-based. If you don't like the amount of colonists you get from Cassandra you have to play on Randy.
I'm sorry but I don't think you understood my question. I'll try to rephrase it. What is the chance of the ones you're shooting at to become incapped instead of just outright dying, so you can capture them and try to recruit them? Is it as high as the normal game or will it be harder with this mod installed? Since, you know, you said that it is a higher chance to hit a vital organ.
Edit: If it wasnt obvious yet, I still havent tried the mod due to still wondering about this.
Whenever a pawn gets high enough pain/bloodloss the storyteller AI checks if he should pass out or die. If you're wondering about the chances of getting to that level of pain, I playtested it on Randy Challenge and had more than enough prisoners. Keep in mind that while unprotected organs will get oneshot by most everything armored opponents are protected from one-hit-kills and limbs are generally tougher, meaning you can land more hits with more damage for more pain. While low damage weapons like assault rifles are significantly more powerful than vanilla they still don't oneshot an enemy through power armor the way an M-24 would (and the M-24 has, infact, significantly decreased lethality compared to vanilla). More powerful weapons like an M2 still leave plenty of prisoners simply because a shot to the leg means instant incap. How it compares to vanilla combat I can't tell you, because I haven't played vanilla since Alpha 7.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on March 02, 2015, 11:30:20 AM
Quote from: Bunisher on March 02, 2015, 09:28:53 AM
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on March 02, 2015, 08:28:53 AM
Its entirely storyteller-based. If you don't like the amount of colonists you get from Cassandra you have to play on Randy.
I'm sorry but I don't think you understood my question. I'll try to rephrase it. What is the chance of the ones you're shooting at to become incapped instead of just outright dying, so you can capture them and try to recruit them? Is it as high as the normal game or will it be harder with this mod installed? Since, you know, you said that it is a higher chance to hit a vital organ.
Edit: If it wasnt obvious yet, I still havent tried the mod due to still wondering about this.
Whenever a pawn gets high enough pain/bloodloss the storyteller AI checks if he should pass out or die. If you're wondering about the chances of getting to that level of pain, I playtested it on Randy Challenge and had more than enough prisoners. Keep in mind that while unprotected organs will get oneshot by most everything armored opponents are protected from one-hit-kills and limbs are generally tougher, meaning you can land more hits with more damage for more pain. While low damage weapons like assault rifles are significantly more powerful than vanilla they still don't oneshot an enemy through power armor the way an M-24 would (and the M-24 has, infact, significantly decreased lethality compared to vanilla). More powerful weapons like an M2 still leave plenty of prisoners simply because a shot to the leg means instant incap. How it compares to vanilla combat I can't tell you, because I haven't played vanilla since Alpha 7.
Alright, thank you! I had no idea how it calculated if a pawn should be incapped or not, thanks for clearing that up for me.
I'll give the mod a shot and see how I like it.
Please collaborate with the author of Cybernetic Storm. If you can grant the fragmentation effect to the auto mortar I will forever love your soul.
Just to double check, this doesn't work at all with mods like cybernetic storm and surgery mods? (I can't add new limbs to colonists). How should this be loaded to avoid the colorful screen of death?
Quick question... Have you thought about making some sort of "line of sight" option for the mod?
I love the mod... but it kind of makes combat on the... "not as fun/hard" side just because the enemy dies and never has a chance to get closer :x lol
Anyways keep up the good work!
Quote from: ghostnineone on March 05, 2015, 09:08:15 PM
Just to double check, this doesn't work at all with mods like cybernetic storm and surgery mods? (I can't add new limbs to colonists). How should this be loaded to avoid the colorful screen of death?
Haven't tested it, but it should theoretically work if you load whatever surgery mod you have after this (though you will lose out on all the health/coverage changes made to body parts). Since this mod only changes some numbers around it should not cause any death screens.
Quote from: Sir_W_Scott on March 07, 2015, 02:01:28 AM
Quick question... Have you thought about making some sort of "line of sight" option for the mod?
I love the mod... but it kind of makes combat on the... "not as fun/hard" side just because the enemy dies and never has a chance to get closer :x lol
Anyways keep up the good work!
Not sure what you mean. Walls and rocks already break line of sight and prevent you from firing. In testing I found an enemy's ability to close in depends mostly on terrain. With lots of hills and trees to block fire they'll get in much closer, whereas flat desert maps they get decimated the moment they enter the map. I've been meaning to look into smarter AI so the horde will split and engage at more appropriate ranges but I haven't had the time unfortunately.
Released update 1.1.1, containing various misc bug fixes. See changelog for more details.
does updating to 1.11 from 1.1 break saves?
I can't see the range of the vanilla turret with this mod enabled
Probably go off the screen :P . But that's strange...
I will be trying this. I definitely see a lot of promise in this, so long as it doesn't unbalance my play too much. I'll be back with thoughts and things!
Quote from: arammco on March 09, 2015, 04:12:03 PM
I can't see the range of the vanilla turret with this mod enabled
Engine limitation, circles beyond a certain radius don't get drawn by the game. You can see it in vanilla on the bills tab, if you set the ingredient search radius beyond 60 or so it vanishes.
Just wanting to say I love combat Realism, I also enjoy Cybernetic Storms, but they both modify body parts. I'm working on trying to make them compatible in that Combat Realism will be added after Cybernetic Storms. If I can get it to work properly, would you want the compatibility version?
Looks good and works great, except for the range on weapons. You barely see your enemy before they are dead and the very tactical positioning i like in this game gets ruined. Is there a way to mod ranges on weapons or change the settings? I ran it on Randy random 160% and survived for 3 years with only 1 browning. The AI isnt made to think at those great distances and even with sniper rifles they just move into close combat before even considering firing and before that they were dead. Also keep the max range at 50 and try to adapt to that. Makes other weapon mods viable and not just vanilla weapons OP. Would be awesome!
Best Regards
Quote from: Silkoraz on March 11, 2015, 03:46:02 AM
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Change it yourself. Go Mods\CombatRealism\Defs\ThingDefs , edit find <range>(some number)</range> and manually change the guns do the range you want.
Quote from: kaiserslash on March 10, 2015, 04:33:30 AM
Just wanting to say I love combat Realism, I also enjoy Cybernetic Storms, but they both modify body parts. I'm working on trying to make them compatible in that Combat Realism will be added after Cybernetic Storms. If I can get it to work properly, would you want the compatibility version?
Sure, go ahead. I have no idea what Cybernetic Storm does but this mod mostly just switches some numbers around so I don't think there will be major incompatibilities.
Quote from: Silkoraz on March 11, 2015, 03:46:02 AM
Looks good and works great, except for the range on weapons. You barely see your enemy before they are dead and the very tactical positioning i like in this game gets ruined. Is there a way to mod ranges on weapons or change the settings? I ran it on Randy random 160% and survived for 3 years with only 1 browning. The AI isnt made to think at those great distances and even with sniper rifles they just move into close combat before even considering firing and before that they were dead. Also keep the max range at 50 and try to adapt to that. Makes other weapon mods viable and not just vanilla weapons OP. Would be awesome!
Best Regards
I'm guessing you play either desert or tundra with flat terrain? Because I playtested on a boreal forest with large hills and one M2 sure as hell isn't stopping entire raids by itself. The AI is a known issue and will get a pass-over at some point in the future. I have considered reducing certain weapons' ranges but I certainly will not reduce them to vanilla levels. This mod was primarily intended to create a certain type of gameplay that might not be everyone's cup of tea (think Call of Duty vs ArmA) and if you'd rather have the arcadey gameplay of vanilla this mod is not for you.
Just wanted to say I quite like the ranges as they are in Combat Realism. Stock RimWorld AI is certainly an issue though, even the simple raid priorities seems to have been made for a world without firearms (stock ranges are roughly throwing ranges, so I think of stock RW as modelling the throwing of bullets by hand.) Priorities seem to be:
Mechs: first attack turrets of any kind, then buildings, and lastly a colonist or two.
Humanoids: first attack buildings, then turrets, and lastly colonists.
This works OKish without real ranged weapons and supports much larger raids, giving the UX of "mowing down hordes". But, it works poorly with Combat Realism ranges. If it were possible to simply change raid pawns' priorities so 80-90% of raiders went for colonists first, then pillaging and burning second, that might help a fair bit. Just a guess and I'm not sure if that's even among the moddable things.
I really enjoy the realism in this, but I'm having a problem actually capturing colonists to grow my colony.
Even trying to capture people with melee, they are usually dead by the time I get them back to my prison or shortly thereafter.
With the cost of slaves so much these days (lol), does anyone have any tips using this mod? Thanks!
Quote from: nuschler22 on March 11, 2015, 10:08:24 AM
I really enjoy the realism in this, but I'm having a problem actually capturing colonists to grow my colony. [...]
I recommend Skullywag's stun gun and grenades and tazer in Non-Lethals: https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=6034.0 (scroll down a bit in the OP for Non-Lethals.)
Oddly enough, the AI issues actually make this a little.. too easy.
Though I suppose it also just means that using proper strategies is super-effective now that mobs of raiders can't just soak up bullets for breakfast on their jolly way through into your base.
i was told that there was a compatible version for rimfire but alas i am blind (not literaly) and cant find it
Quote from: Mechanoid HiveMind on March 15, 2015, 05:10:58 AM
i was told that there was a compatible version for rimfire but alas i am blind (not literaly) and cant find it
Check the Rimfire page, the download for the CR version is right below the regular one.
Quote from: Famous Shoes on March 11, 2015, 10:16:20 AM
Quote from: nuschler22 on March 11, 2015, 10:08:24 AM
I really enjoy the realism in this, but I'm having a problem actually capturing colonists to grow my colony. [...]
I recommend Skullywag's stun gun and grenades and tazer in Non-Lethals: https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=6034.0 (scroll down a bit in the OP for Non-Lethals.)
Thanks. Is there a way to capture them when they are stunned? I find even when they are stunned and I melee them, they typically die on their way to or shortly after getting inside the prison.
when they are stunned, just CAPTURE them do NOT melee them, but if you are near the colony max for your storyteller then they are likely to die anyway
I'm going to leave my .02 on this mod overall, now that I've run a couple of colonies with it.
I've mentioned (and some others have mentioned) that this mod makes the game particularly easy (though mechanoids are damn tough without cheesing your way into heavy weapons early on, or using other mods).
This has alot to do with what the mod does, vs what is advertised. You're boasting realism, when in reality you are just making weapons excessively deadly. It's a world of difference.
It's 'easy' because people pretty much drop dead when they take a round or two. Because TV is more realistic than reality, this makes sense to people.
If you're aiming for actual realism, however, then people wearing armor should be getting incapped far more often than getting killed.
Another problem with ranges involves sight. With proper spotters and all things accounted for, yes, sniper rifles have amazing range and accuracy. Realistically? Most of these weapons are firing further than people would reasonably see with any real clarity.
So mostly, this took a problem that the game has (people eating bullets for breakfast) and pushed it to the opposite extreme (people dying from one or two shots).
Some people enjoy this, but I think there's more potential to be seen in this mod.
Quote from: Mathenaut on March 15, 2015, 11:39:56 PM
If you're aiming for actual realism, however, then people wearing armor should be getting incapped far more often than getting killed.
Guns were specifically balanced so that modern day weaponry won't be able to destroy people's organs in one hit through the 50% reduction armor provides. It is not exactly realistic that a thrown stone could do any damage through power armor, but its the best you can do with the lackluster armor system (a proper threshold based system is definitely on my things to look into) and it does work for incapacitation. I've had pawns get caught off-guard and get barraged by entire raiding parties and survive without any permanent injury thanks to power armor. Keep in mind that incap chances for raiders are storyteller based, not damage based.
As for lethality, testing showed that unprotected pawns would go down after about 4-6 assault rifle rounds unless a vital organ is hit. And while it is certainly possible to survive a gunshot to the heart, the problem is again in Rimworld's lackluster pain system which lets people run around with a heart at 1 health like it ain't no thing when any real person would be incapacitated. I think having those incapacitating shots be lethal is a much better compromise than an army of iron men shrugging off even the most grievous injuries.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on March 16, 2015, 02:24:33 AM
Guns were specifically balanced so that modern day weaponry won't be able to destroy people's organs in one hit through the 50% reduction armor provides.
That's just the thing, though. At least as I'm seeing it, the majority of the time someone with armor gets dropped with a bullet, it's usually because an internal organ got popped with not much of any other damage done (which, consequentially, means no incapping).
4-6 rounds is 2-3 more rounds than my experience shows. In my last couple of runs, an assault rifle dropped most unprotected raiders in a single burst. Hunting Rifles and Sniper Rifles usually only took one shot.
Oh, and turrets outright murdered everything that wasn't mechanoid.
I think the only reason this mod feels "OP" sometimes is because the raiding AI is stupid. Otherwise, if the AI were anywhere set up for remote engagements and to use cover, with superior numbers even with the best weapons, colonists and turrents will be soon overwhelmed. I find if you play on extreme challenge, the sheer size of raiding parties trumps even superior weaponry + armor (I've modded some weapons from other mod packs to match roughly the same stats as their counterparts in CR) unless you heavily choke routes and setup a strong barricade with multiple layers. I've been using this mod since A6 and even with OP expanded turrent packs, shields, other "goodies" and lots of mountain bases, I still lose colonists if I'm not careful.
I usually play on Cassandra extreme and ludicrous map sizes with moderate amount of mountains, so YMMV on settings and mods used.
I think the only way we can get better results is through more careful balancing of HP of each organ/parts, a custom storyteller (if incap chances can be modified that way to some extent), and ultimately, through an expanded plus improved health/AI system in the base game itself.
I'm using v1.1.1 and I noticed that some of the textures aren't working correctly ....
(http://www.amazingdg.com/clients/rimworld/_bug_missingweapontext.jpg)
... note the Rheinmetall gun in the image above. I search my mods directory for the gun, and a single file in the CombatRealismDefence came up.
Any idea what's causing this, and how to fix it?
Quote from: jabbamonkey on March 24, 2015, 03:40:10 PM
I'm using v1.1.1 and I noticed that some of the textures aren't working correctly ....
(http://www.amazingdg.com/clients/rimworld/_bug_missingweapontext.jpg)
... note the Rheinmetall gun in the image above. I search my mods directory for the gun, and a single file in the CombatRealismDefence came up.
Any idea what's causing this, and how to fix it?
Its the cannon turret's weapon and it shouldn't show up on traders. That bug should have been fixed with the last update. Are you sure you're using the most recent version of the Defence Pack (i.e. both the core module and the pack show version 1.1.1)?
I noticed the issue ... saved the game ... deleted the old version of the mod, downloaded the most recent version of the mod, restarted the game ... and then loaded my save. And the issue still was there.
Was the issue there because of the old save? And will disappear with any new trader/visitor?
Quote from: jabbamonkey on March 24, 2015, 07:04:49 PM
I noticed the issue ... saved the game ... deleted the old version of the mod, downloaded the most recent version of the mod, restarted the game ... and then loaded my save. And the issue still was there.
Was the issue there because of the old save? And will disappear with any new trader/visitor?
I assume an already generated trader would retain it even after the update, but any newly generated trader should not carry that weapon. Also there is a precision turret gun listed, is that from another mod?
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on March 24, 2015, 07:33:35 PM
Quote from: jabbamonkey on March 24, 2015, 07:04:49 PM
I noticed the issue ... saved the game ... deleted the old version of the mod, downloaded the most recent version of the mod, restarted the game ... and then loaded my save. And the issue still was there.
Was the issue there because of the old save? And will disappear with any new trader/visitor?
I assume an already generated trader would retain it even after the update, but any newly generated trader should not carry that weapon. Also there is a precision turret gun listed, is that from another mod?
Yeah its from i thing the more vanilla turrets mod thats a bug i noticed to and its a super op on that has like almost a 100%hit chance
Will these mods work with this mod? http://gyazo.com/0627a1651a09679162977afb9a35be3e
PS: how do i install it? it comes with CR and sometihng called source? do i put both in mods folder or what?
I was wondering if you could try and get this mod and the superior crafting mod working together. It has some turrets that need to be changed for balance sake.
Quote from: LustrousWolf on April 02, 2015, 02:37:32 PM
Will these mods work with this mod? http://gyazo.com/0627a1651a09679162977afb9a35be3e
PS: how do i install it? it comes with CR and sometihng called source? do i put both in mods folder or what?
Can't follow that link at the moment, can you link to the mod's forum thread?
The Source folder contains the source code for the mod, in case another modder wants to have a look. You don't need it for the mod to run.
Quote from: bluestrike15 on April 06, 2015, 10:57:47 PM
I was wondering if you could try and get this mod and the superior crafting mod working together. It has some turrets that need to be changed for balance sake.
Technically yes, but I've been kinda busy with stuff lately, so I don't have much time to dedicate to Rimworld or this mod. I might have a look if I get around to it this week.
I have some questions about the choices you made in your mod. Just curiousity. I love this mod.
QuoteAll weapons do damage in accordance with their calibers
Not all weapons inflict same damage based on calibers their is a lot of mitigating factors such as bullet design, location of hit and the amount of grains in a round. Higher caliber weapons usually create a through and through which just cuts straight through and is easier for field surgeons to patch up , while lower caliber tend to bounce off bones and tear up internal organs.
QuoteBurst sizes are based on magazine size. Guns designed for sustained automatic fire (SMGs & sub-carbines, machine guns, automatic shotguns) have bursts equivalent to 1/5 their magazine size.
These weapons don't really have a sustained rate not if you actually want to hit targets. All experienced machine gunners don't hold the trigger down. By sustained rate I am assuming you mean the rate of fire the weapon can sustain with no damage to barrel or internals with min. barrel swaps?
QuoteAll weapons have ranges equivalent to 1/5 their real life effective range
What are you using as their real life effective range?
QuoteShotguns fire 8 low damage pellets instead of a single projectile with damage depending on how many hit.
Every shotgun Ive personally seen in combat uses slugs, they take out doors and personal. Just curious why you selected using buck over slugs?
QuoteMany explosives now use a new fragmentation effect, scattering lethal shell fragments over large distances
The deadliest part of an HE explosion is the concussion blast not the fragmentation or explosion itself. People well literally die a far way away from explosives from the supersonic blast wave. But fragments from grenades do scatter far. I once pulled a fragment out of a tree over 100 m from where I threw a frag.
QuoteGenerally, limbs are tougher while organs are squishier and bleed much more. A rifle shot to an unprotected heart is lethal, but it does not send an arm flying. Only repeated hits or a high power round (.50cal, Lasgun, etc.) can destroy limbs.
Limbs have pretty serious arteries in them and are deadly especially the groin and hamstring area. If you sever an artery there your chances are pretty low, but a gut shot you have several hours and can get to medical treatment in time. A .50cal doesnt even have to make contact with a limb to tear it off. Why multiple rounds to destroy limbs?
Also shouldnt high caliber weapons destroy walls and mechs? A .50cal shreds through concrete and up armored vehicles. I don't know what you mean by the internal organs thing rather than the torso? Can you clarify? Soldiers are taught to protect internal organs it was much more common to see gunshot wounds in arms and legs rather than the torso. Thats why your taught to face plates down range all your protection is there the issue comes from if your shooting back your arms and weapon are blocking your torso and your typically nuts to dirt. The biggest thing I would love to see in this game is a prone and crouching stance that increases accuracy makes you harder to hit and reduces movement speed dramatically. Standing would also decrease accuracy pretty dramatically good look hitting a target at 100+ meters standing while its moving. Squad formations would be awesome and bounding techniques but I'm not an experienced programmer (i just dabble) and that would probably be incredibly hard.
Quote from: dustysniper on April 09, 2015, 11:25:56 PM
I have some questions about the choices you made in your mod. Just curiousity. I love this mod.
QuoteAll weapons do damage in accordance with their calibers
Not all weapons inflict same damage based on calibers their is a lot of mitigating factors such as bullet design, location of hit and the amount of grains in a round. Higher caliber weapons usually create a through and through which just cuts straight through and is easier for field surgeons to patch up , while lower caliber tend to bounce off bones and tear up internal organs.
Maybe "caliber" is not the most accurate term. What I meant is that damage is based on the type of bullet fired and in relation to its real world characteristics (muzzle energy, ballistics, etc.). For example, all weapons using 5.56mm do the same amount of damage and the 5.56 has been balanced with regard to other bullet types, rather than weapon types. Vanilla Rimworld and Project Armory an M-24 would do several times more damage than a FN FAL or M60 "cause its sniper". Here, a weapon firing 7.62x51mm will do the same amount of damage no matter if its an MG, assault or sniper rifle.
QuoteQuoteBurst sizes are based on magazine size. Guns designed for sustained automatic fire (SMGs & sub-carbines, machine guns, automatic shotguns) have bursts equivalent to 1/5 their magazine size.
These weapons don't really have a sustained rate not if you actually want to hit targets. All experienced machine gunners don't hold the trigger down. By sustained rate I am assuming you mean the rate of fire the weapon can sustain with no damage to barrel or internals with min. barrel swaps?
By "sustained automatic fire" I don't mean holding down the trigger Hollywood style until your bottomless magazine runs dry. In the case of SMGs and shotguns my reasoning was that with rifles, you usually shoot at long distances, so you use semi-auto or 2-3 round bursts, whereas with SMGs you have a low-recoil weapon at room distance, thus you can use larger bursts and still land your rounds on target.
MG bursts can differ greatly depending on whether you want to engage a single target, suppress an area, etc. Since Rimworld weapon burst size and accuracy are fixed I decided I'd balance MGs for area suppression because otherwise they would simply turn into assault rifles with the range and power of sniper rifles, making those weapon types obsolete.
QuoteQuoteAll weapons have ranges equivalent to 1/5 their real life effective range
What are you using as their real life effective range?
See this table (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-tEY47sU81UHlzelRSzq6kFr-rLzmm8LpM0l_Yb1NtU/edit#gid=1126350953). I'm going by the standard definition of the distance a shooter can hit a target 50% of the time (for MGs its the effective range against area targets). Most of the values are based off of Internet research because I can't really test 160+ guns myself.
QuoteQuoteShotguns fire 8 low damage pellets instead of a single projectile with damage depending on how many hit.
Every shotgun Ive personally seen in combat uses slugs, they take out doors and personal. Just curious why you selected using buck over slugs?
I was under the impression shotguns use 00 buckshot for a combat load. Though I'm not too knowledgeable on the topic of shotguns.
QuoteQuoteMany explosives now use a new fragmentation effect, scattering lethal shell fragments over large distances
The deadliest part of an HE explosion is the concussion blast not the fragmentation or explosion itself. People well literally die a far way away from explosives from the supersonic blast wave. But fragments from grenades do scatter far. I once pulled a fragment out of a tree over 100 m from where I threw a frag.
Not sure what your question is. The fragmentation system I implemented because as you said, fragments can scatter much further than the actual explosion. So I created a system that could model this effect more accurately than the vanilla explosions.
QuoteQuoteGenerally, limbs are tougher while organs are squishier and bleed much more. A rifle shot to an unprotected heart is lethal, but it does not send an arm flying. Only repeated hits or a high power round (.50cal, Lasgun, etc.) can destroy limbs.
Limbs have pretty serious arteries in them and are deadly especially the groin and hamstring area. If you sever an artery there your chances are pretty low, but a gut shot you have several hours and can get to medical treatment in time. A .50cal doesnt even have to make contact with a limb to tear it off. Why multiple rounds to destroy limbs?
Rimworld doesn't model arteries by default. It could be implemented but would cause this mod to be incompatible with any other that adds body parts. As to limbs, the multiple hit thing is for smaller calibers, 5.56, 7.62 etc. A .50cal can still destroy them in one hit. Realistically it is possible for a smaller round to do enough damage to a limb to require amputation, but Rimworld doesn't currently support a "mangled" condition for body parts, only impaired and completely severed/destroyed.
QuoteAlso shouldnt high caliber weapons destroy walls and mechs? A .50cal shreds through concrete and up armored vehicles. I don't know what you mean by the internal organs thing rather than the torso? Can you clarify? Soldiers are taught to protect internal organs it was much more common to see gunshot wounds in arms and legs rather than the torso. Thats why your taught to face plates down range all your protection is there the issue comes from if your shooting back your arms and weapon are blocking your torso and your typically nuts to dirt. The biggest thing I would love to see in this game is a prone and crouching stance that increases accuracy makes you harder to hit and reduces movement speed dramatically. Standing would also decrease accuracy pretty dramatically good look hitting a target at 100+ meters standing while its moving. Squad formations would be awesome and bounding techniques but I'm not an experienced programmer (i just dabble) and that would probably be incredibly hard.
Regarding walls, high-powered rounds will punch a hole through a wall but they won't knock it down. You'd need to fire hundreds of (non-explosive) rounds into a section of wall to do any appreciable damage to it. Though I might have a look at implementing wall penetration when I get some more free time.
Pawns in Rimworld have a body part called "torso" that acts just like limbs, organs, etc. and can be hit and destroyed. Whenever the game determines that the torso was hit it makes a random roll to see if a subpart (heart, kidneys, ...) was hit. If a subpart is hit damage is done to it and the torso, otherwise only the torso takes damage. In vanilla the chance to hit the heart for example was a mere 1.5% so the majority of torso hits would actually miss all the organs and only hit the "torso" body part. I changed it so now the majority of torso hits will also damage an organ.
QuoteI was under the impression shotguns use 00 buckshot for a combat load. Though I'm not too knowledgeable on the topic of shotguns.
From my personal experience when we were fighting in urban environments we used slugs, it can take out a door handle and a person without hitting civilians with the spread. But every unit in the military has a different SOP.
QuoteNot sure what your question is. The fragmentation system I implemented because as you said, fragments can scatter much further than the actual explosion. So I created a system that could model this effect more accurately than the vanilla explosions.
Wasnt really a questions just a statement I guess. Most people don't understand what HE explosives are or the fact that the explosions and fragments are the least dangerous parts. Most explosives blow up in a V shape from impact. But I like your system. Thanks for the fast response this is a awesome mod and I am a fanboy. I do understand why a M-24 does more damage. I suppose the logic is if he is taking the time to aim through a scope the shooter is more likely to hit vital organs?
@NoImageAvailable I have tested CR with all those mods and it seems to work just fine so it is ok :)
Is it at all possible to make Mortars more realistically accurate?
At no point should Circular Error Probability exceed burst radius, and with the sheer amount of aiming time spent, the aiming error should be rather small as well.
Max accuracy should be at 50% of maximum range, with worst accuracy trending towards the minimum range limit. The accuracy degradation from midrange to max range should occur at about half the rate as the degredation that occurs between midrange and minimum range.
As a former 0341 Infantry Mortarman, the mortars in this game make me very sad.
Quote from: NihilRex on April 10, 2015, 02:29:45 PM
Is it at all possible to make Mortars more realistically accurate?
At no point should Circular Error Probability exceed burst radius, and with the sheer amount of aiming time spent, the aiming error should be rather small as well.
Max accuracy should be at 50% of maximum range, with worst accuracy trending towards the minimum range limit. The accuracy degradation from midrange to max range should occur at about half the rate as the degredation that occurs between midrange and minimum range.
As a former 0341 Infantry Mortarman, the mortars in this game make me very sad.
Changing the way aiming works is pretty trivial, it mostly comes down to creating a mathematical algorithm to calculate the accuracy at any given range (and not kill your CPU in the process). Current calculations are based on a CEP of 50m and a scale of 1 game cell = 5m. Using the game's ForcedMissRadius (works by generating a random angle and a number between 0 and ForcedMissRadius and applying the resulting vector to the original target you get the cell the mortar will actually shoot at) I set it to 20 so half the rounds should land within 10 cells.
So going with your model and assuming the Rimworld mortar is 120mm with a max range of 6-7km (?) that would put maximum range at 1400 and maximum accuracy at 700 game cells. Now I never operated a mortar so I don't really know what kind of accuracy you can expect at that range and at minimum range (40 cells) but provided some accurate data on the start and end points it should be simple to make the accuracy scale linearly with target distance. Also, what exactly do you mean by burst radius?
On that note, depending on how accurate the game's ForcedMissRadius models CEP that can be adjusted too. I'd love to have some input from an actual expert on military matters when it comes to implementing these things ingame, rather than having to rely on stuff I read on the Internet.
Edit: I've been considering changing the scale of cells to meter from 1 cell = 5m down to 1 cell = 7.5m at least for the long range weapons (=everything except SMGs, pistols and shotguns) so range would be bit more balanced in relation to the game's map size (maximum is 400x400 cells). Anyone have thoughts on that?
Mortars are alot more accurate. But what he is failing to say is they also have a fdc to calculate deflection and elevation and save firing point data and a FO to walk your rounds in and a 3 to 4 man team preppin rounds and shifting. if you know a Mortar lands in a spot on a certain deflecton and elevation you can save it for later use. The 120mm mortar has a 7200m firing range (depending on round type and charge) with a 70m kill radius or blast radius or burst radius. If that's what is being used in the game. My biggest pet peeve is that mortar rounds are termed artillety shells in game they are vastly different. Artillery is designed for force on force front line wars and are direct fire. Mortars are smooth bored 360 indirect fire weapons, round designs are different. a veteran mortar team can have rounds in the air in 45 seconds on a 360 swivel while atillery can take upward of 5 plus minutes to swivel Because of weight. Fm 3-22.90 covers mortars.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on April 10, 2015, 03:50:12 PM
Quote from: NihilRex on April 10, 2015, 02:29:45 PM
Is it at all possible to make Mortars more realistically accurate?
At no point should Circular Error Probability exceed burst radius, and with the sheer amount of aiming time spent, the aiming error should be rather small as well.
Max accuracy should be at 50% of maximum range, with worst accuracy trending towards the minimum range limit. The accuracy degradation from midrange to max range should occur at about half the rate as the degredation that occurs between midrange and minimum range.
As a former 0341 Infantry Mortarman, the mortars in this game make me very sad.
Changing the way aiming works is pretty trivial, it mostly comes down to creating a mathematical algorithm to calculate the accuracy at any given range (and not kill your CPU in the process). Current calculations are based on a CEP of 50m and a scale of 1 game cell = 5m. Using the game's ForcedMissRadius (works by generating a random angle and a number between 0 and ForcedMissRadius and applying the resulting vector to the original target you get the cell the mortar will actually shoot at) I set it to 20 so half the rounds should land within 10 cells.
So going with your model and assuming the Rimworld mortar is 120mm with a max range of 6-7km (?) that would put maximum range at 1400 and maximum accuracy at 700 game cells. Now I never operated a mortar so I don't really know what kind of accuracy you can expect at that range and at minimum range (40 cells) but provided some accurate data on the start and end points it should be simple to make the accuracy scale linearly with target distance. Also, what exactly do you mean by burst radius?
On that note, depending on how accurate the game's ForcedMissRadius models CEP that can be adjusted too. I'd love to have some input from an actual expert on military matters when it comes to implementing these things ingame, rather than having to rely on stuff I read on the Internet.
Edit: I've been considering changing the scale of cells to meter from 1 cell = 5m down to 1 cell = 7.5m at least for the long range weapons (=everything except SMGs, pistols and shotguns) so range would be bit more balanced in relation to the game's map size (maximum is 400x400 cells). Anyone have thoughts on that?
Burst radius of the shell - the area covered by the 50% probability of causing lethal injuries.
Rimworld Mortars are probably 60mms or 81mms, not 120mms, as 120s cannot be single manned.
Infantry mortars can be aimed without an FDC, and 60mms can be operated by a single person. The amount of time the pawns spend aiming the mortar makes me think that they are doing their own FDC math, not just aiming by eye.
Modern 60mm infantry mortars have an effective range of 3490meters with the common M888 HE round. The lethal radius is approximately 28meters. http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/7-90/figb-5.gif for reference, Vietnam\Cold War era.
EDIT: This would make the mortar bursts have a smaller radius than current, but be much more accurate. If there is a 6tile lethal and a 12tile casualty radius, impact error should be 8-11 tiles. Aiming error at 50% range should be no more than 2 tiles. Obviously, this would need to be tested for playability, and the superscience used by the colonists, but the current system is nowhere near realistic.
Quote from: NihilRex on April 10, 2015, 11:17:16 PM
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on April 10, 2015, 03:50:12 PM
Quote from: NihilRex on April 10, 2015, 02:29:45 PM
Is it at all possible to make Mortars more realistically accurate?
At no point should Circular Error Probability exceed burst radius, and with the sheer amount of aiming time spent, the aiming error should be rather small as well.
Max accuracy should be at 50% of maximum range, with worst accuracy trending towards the minimum range limit. The accuracy degradation from midrange to max range should occur at about half the rate as the degredation that occurs between midrange and minimum range.
As a former 0341 Infantry Mortarman, the mortars in this game make me very sad.
Changing the way aiming works is pretty trivial, it mostly comes down to creating a mathematical algorithm to calculate the accuracy at any given range (and not kill your CPU in the process). Current calculations are based on a CEP of 50m and a scale of 1 game cell = 5m. Using the game's ForcedMissRadius (works by generating a random angle and a number between 0 and ForcedMissRadius and applying the resulting vector to the original target you get the cell the mortar will actually shoot at) I set it to 20 so half the rounds should land within 10 cells.
So going with your model and assuming the Rimworld mortar is 120mm with a max range of 6-7km (?) that would put maximum range at 1400 and maximum accuracy at 700 game cells. Now I never operated a mortar so I don't really know what kind of accuracy you can expect at that range and at minimum range (40 cells) but provided some accurate data on the start and end points it should be simple to make the accuracy scale linearly with target distance. Also, what exactly do you mean by burst radius?
On that note, depending on how accurate the game's ForcedMissRadius models CEP that can be adjusted too. I'd love to have some input from an actual expert on military matters when it comes to implementing these things ingame, rather than having to rely on stuff I read on the Internet.
Edit: I've been considering changing the scale of cells to meter from 1 cell = 5m down to 1 cell = 7.5m at least for the long range weapons (=everything except SMGs, pistols and shotguns) so range would be bit more balanced in relation to the game's map size (maximum is 400x400 cells). Anyone have thoughts on that?
Burst radius of the shell - the area covered by the 50% probability of causing lethal injuries.
Rimworld Mortars are probably 60mms or 81mms, not 120mms, as 120s cannot be single manned.
Infantry mortars can be aimed without an FDC, and 60mms can be operated by a single person. The amount of time the pawns spend aiming the mortar makes me think that they are doing their own FDC math, not just aiming by eye.
Modern 60mm infantry mortars have an effective range of 3490meters with the common M888 HE round. The lethal radius is approximately 28meters. http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/7-90/figb-5.gif for reference, Vietnam\Cold War era.
EDIT: This would make the mortar bursts have a smaller radius than current, but be much more accurate. If there is a 6tile lethal and a 12tile casualty radius, impact error should be 8-11 tiles. Aiming error at 50% range should be no more than 2 tiles. Obviously, this would need to be tested for playability, and the superscience used by the colonists, but the current system is nowhere near realistic.
120mm mortars can be two manned. You can single man a 81mm mortar. It is most likely a 81mm mortar not a 60 (it is way to big), 60s can be held and carried by one man thats why infantry platoons carry a mortar section with 60s on patrol. And yes mortars can be aimed without FDCs through direct line but these mortars are lobbing over mountains and structures good luck hitting anything without line of sight or a FO. And they could possibly be using a plotting board since it takes them so long. As far as I have ever known the 60mm mortar has a kill radius of 25m 81mm 35m and 120 70-75m.
Also remember at 3490m a 60 is shooting charge 4.
Quote from: dustysniper on April 10, 2015, 11:41:29 PM
Quote from: NihilRex on April 10, 2015, 11:17:16 PM
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on April 10, 2015, 03:50:12 PM
Quote from: NihilRex on April 10, 2015, 02:29:45 PM
Is it at all possible to make Mortars more realistically accurate?
At no point should Circular Error Probability exceed burst radius, and with the sheer amount of aiming time spent, the aiming error should be rather small as well.
Max accuracy should be at 50% of maximum range, with worst accuracy trending towards the minimum range limit. The accuracy degradation from midrange to max range should occur at about half the rate as the degredation that occurs between midrange and minimum range.
As a former 0341 Infantry Mortarman, the mortars in this game make me very sad.
Changing the way aiming works is pretty trivial, it mostly comes down to creating a mathematical algorithm to calculate the accuracy at any given range (and not kill your CPU in the process). Current calculations are based on a CEP of 50m and a scale of 1 game cell = 5m. Using the game's ForcedMissRadius (works by generating a random angle and a number between 0 and ForcedMissRadius and applying the resulting vector to the original target you get the cell the mortar will actually shoot at) I set it to 20 so half the rounds should land within 10 cells.
So going with your model and assuming the Rimworld mortar is 120mm with a max range of 6-7km (?) that would put maximum range at 1400 and maximum accuracy at 700 game cells. Now I never operated a mortar so I don't really know what kind of accuracy you can expect at that range and at minimum range (40 cells) but provided some accurate data on the start and end points it should be simple to make the accuracy scale linearly with target distance. Also, what exactly do you mean by burst radius?
On that note, depending on how accurate the game's ForcedMissRadius models CEP that can be adjusted too. I'd love to have some input from an actual expert on military matters when it comes to implementing these things ingame, rather than having to rely on stuff I read on the Internet.
Edit: I've been considering changing the scale of cells to meter from 1 cell = 5m down to 1 cell = 7.5m at least for the long range weapons (=everything except SMGs, pistols and shotguns) so range would be bit more balanced in relation to the game's map size (maximum is 400x400 cells). Anyone have thoughts on that?
Burst radius of the shell - the area covered by the 50% probability of causing lethal injuries.
Rimworld Mortars are probably 60mms or 81mms, not 120mms, as 120s cannot be single manned.
Infantry mortars can be aimed without an FDC, and 60mms can be operated by a single person. The amount of time the pawns spend aiming the mortar makes me think that they are doing their own FDC math, not just aiming by eye.
Modern 60mm infantry mortars have an effective range of 3490meters with the common M888 HE round. The lethal radius is approximately 28meters. http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/7-90/figb-5.gif for reference, Vietnam\Cold War era.
EDIT: This would make the mortar bursts have a smaller radius than current, but be much more accurate. If there is a 6tile lethal and a 12tile casualty radius, impact error should be 8-11 tiles. Aiming error at 50% range should be no more than 2 tiles. Obviously, this would need to be tested for playability, and the superscience used by the colonists, but the current system is nowhere near realistic.
120mm mortars can be two manned. You can single man a 81mm mortar. It is most likely a 81mm mortar not a 60 (it is way to big), 60s can be held and carried by one man thats why infantry platoons carry a mortar section with 60s on patrol. And yes mortars can be aimed without FDCs through direct line but these mortars are lobbing over mountains and structures good luck hitting anything without line of sight or a FO. And they could possibly be using a plotting board since it takes them so long. As far as I have ever known the 60mm mortar has a kill radius of 25m 81mm 35m and 120 70-75m.
Also remember at 3490m a 60 is shooting charge 4.
Charge 4 is no issue.
81s can be 1manned, but not accurately. How are you gonna hold the adjustable leg down and safely drop the round? You can sandbag the fixed leg, but the adjustable leg needs your palm, using your foot would either jostle it or let it move too much for accuracy.
60s on charge 1, handheld, max out at either 400m or 500m IIRC, and fire a LOT faster than these. It is still possible for a 1st year enlistee to get steel on steel hits on a tank hulk. It was either a Patton or an Abrams before it became a target. (I know, because I've both done it and seen it done by others.)
60mm mortars have a minimum range of 70-100meters depending on datasource, my memory claims that was 75meters was the short impact range we had aiming data for.
81mm mortars has a minimum range of 83m per http://www.militaryfactory.com/smallarms/detail.asp?smallarms_id=146
If the mod author prefers 81s, it is 6490m, with a lethal burst radius of 8tiles and a casualty fragmentation radius of 16, with CEP of 0-7 tiles, and aiming error of 0-2tiles at medium range. (All tile numbers based on 5m tiles.
QuoteCharge 4 is no issue.
81s can be 1manned, but not accurately. How are you gonna hold the adjustable leg down and safely drop the round? You can sandbag the fixed leg, but the adjustable leg needs your palm, using your foot would either jostle it or let it move too much for accuracy.
60s on charge 1, handheld, max out at either 400m or 500m IIRC, and fire a LOT faster than these. It is still possible for a 1st year enlistee to get steel on steel hits on a tank hulk. It was either a Patton or an Abrams before it became a target. (I know, because I've both done it and seen it done by others.)
60mm mortars have a minimum range of 70-100meters depending on datasource, my memory claims that was 75meters was the short impact range we had aiming data for.
81mm mortars has a minimum range of 83m per http://www.militaryfactory.com/smallarms/detail.asp?smallarms_id=146
If the mod author prefers 81s, it is 6490m, with a lethal burst radius of 8tiles and a casualty fragmentation radius of 16, with CEP of 0-7 tiles, and aiming error of 0-2tiles at medium range. (All tile numbers based on 5m tiles.
I dont know where these facts are coming from. As long as rounds are prepped a gunner can 1 man a 81mm you dont need to hold the adjustable leg, the collar locking mechanism is designed to do that. And after the first round it should be seated into the ground with the base plate. I have one manned 81mm mortars before hung rounds and gunned during a fire for effect and still had all rounds complete before first impact. Charge 1 60mm mortars hit out to 1340 m, charge zero is 722m, Im looking at a wiz wheel right now. 60s are incredibly accurate in handheld if you know how to probably use elevation bubble. Ive seen MGs hit at 1200m and hit targets at 1000m. 75m is the min range of a 60 for FPF. The max effective range of a 81 is 5608m and a FPF of 83m. You can hit closer than a FPF but your likely to hit friendlies and yourself. This is coming from the mortar bible fm 3-22.90. The issue from charge 4 comes from tube wear you fire to many to fast your tube well glow even under a sustain ROF. Could you realistically be your own FDC prep rounds and gun I doubt it. It would take way to long.
Quote from: NihilRex on April 10, 2015, 11:58:44 PM
81s can be 1manned, but not accurately. How are you gonna hold the adjustable leg down and safely drop the round? You can sandbag the fixed leg, but the adjustable leg needs your palm, using your foot would either jostle it or let it move too much for accuracy.
Keep in mind that Rimworld doesn't use modern day mortars but some kind of homemade that is a) a fixed installation and b) uses a control panel to operate. Most of the mechanical tasks are probably done by machines and the operator only has to load and adjust angle and elevation on the panel. When comparing to modern day equipment it would be closer to something like a 2S9 than a man-portable mortar. That said I'll probably go with a 81, simply because the lower range is more meaningful on Rimworld scale.
How do I defend against mechs? they just shoot at my colonists and 1 by one they all die, and my turrets, none of them stand a chance against the mechs .-.
Quote from: LustrousWolf on April 11, 2015, 06:05:52 AM
How do I defend against mechs? they just shoot at my colonists and 1 by one they all die, and my turrets, none of them stand a chance against the mechs .-.
Scythers should go down fairly quickly to some concentrated fire. Centipedes you get a lot of colonists to focus fire on one. Position your colonists so that they can always break line of sight by retreating behind a wall or other obstruction, do this whenever a Centipede takes aim at a colonist, then move them back out after the mech is done firing.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on April 11, 2015, 06:46:36 AM
Quote from: LustrousWolf on April 11, 2015, 06:05:52 AM
How do I defend against mechs? they just shoot at my colonists and 1 by one they all die, and my turrets, none of them stand a chance against the mechs .-.
Scythers should go down fairly quickly to some concentrated fire. Centipedes you get a lot of colonists to focus fire on one. Position your colonists so that they can always break line of sight by retreating behind a wall or other obstruction, do this whenever a Centipede takes aim at a colonist, then move them back out after the mech is done firing.
Yes that is how you can fight them, but with CR its really difficult to do that :/ Like you tell a colonist to move, 5 seconds later they try to move and get mowed down by the rain of bullets from the minigun :C so i was wondering if you had to fight them differently with CR installed?
Quote from: LustrousWolf on April 11, 2015, 07:03:45 AM
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on April 11, 2015, 06:46:36 AM
Quote from: LustrousWolf on April 11, 2015, 06:05:52 AM
How do I defend against mechs? they just shoot at my colonists and 1 by one they all die, and my turrets, none of them stand a chance against the mechs .-.
Scythers should go down fairly quickly to some concentrated fire. Centipedes you get a lot of colonists to focus fire on one. Position your colonists so that they can always break line of sight by retreating behind a wall or other obstruction, do this whenever a Centipede takes aim at a colonist, then move them back out after the mech is done firing.
Yes that is how you can fight them, but with CR its really difficult to do that :/ Like you tell a colonist to move, 5 seconds later they try to move and get mowed down by the rain of bullets from the minigun :C so i was wondering if you had to fight them differently with CR installed?
Some weapons like the survival rifle have high cooldown times (it takes time to operate a bolt, tear down an MG etc.) so they can't move immediately after firing. MGs also have a long burst duration. You need to be especially careful with these weapons when employing them against Centipedes/pirates with MGs.
If people have trouble with mechs I'm considering making an instructional video to showcase some tactics I personally use against various types of raids.
Can someone make it work for Glitter Tech guns?
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on April 11, 2015, 01:47:35 AM
Quote from: NihilRex on April 10, 2015, 11:58:44 PM
81s can be 1manned, but not accurately. How are you gonna hold the adjustable leg down and safely drop the round? You can sandbag the fixed leg, but the adjustable leg needs your palm, using your foot would either jostle it or let it move too much for accuracy.
Keep in mind that Rimworld doesn't use modern day mortars but some kind of homemade that is a) a fixed installation and b) uses a control panel to operate. Most of the mechanical tasks are probably done by machines and the operator only has to load and adjust angle and elevation on the panel. When comparing to modern day equipment it would be closer to something like a 2S9 than a man-portable mortar. That said I'll probably go with a 81, simply because the lower range is more meaningful on Rimworld scale.
I was not the Artillery, so towed\self-propelled systems are beyond my experience. I would think they were more accurate than the man-portable and man-transportable options though.
Also, Id never heard of the 2S9, so I looked it up. Neat toy, someone should drop one off in my driveway for my birthday. An amphibious 120mm mortar in an articulated turret? The local duck population will never recover.
Speaking of fun, I finished my work on accuracy: forcedMissRadius was reduced from 20 to 17.4 and is now multiplied by 1 - targetDistance / maxRange. So it would be 0 tiles at range 500, 10.44 at 200 tiles and ca. 16 at the minimum range of 32 tiles (any closer and the mortar could score a direct hit on itself and that's just silly) corresponding to a CEP of 0-8 tiles from max to min range. For reference, fragments go for up to 16 tiles.
I have now started conducting some ingame tests to balance lethality :D
(http://i.imgur.com/5Hs8xVY.png)
My metric is that balance is right when a shell hitting the center knocks out half the pawns in the blue circle (~7 tiles).
In unrelated news I also made some tweaks to the AI and if I'm right pirates should actually engage from much larger ranges now instead of wading through MG fire for no reason. I'm currently doing some playtesting to confirm this and as soon as that's done the new version will go up.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on April 11, 2015, 12:53:39 PM
Speaking of fun, I finished my work on accuracy: forcedMissRadius was reduced from 20 to 17.4 and is now multiplied by 1 - targetDistance / maxRange. So it would be 0 tiles at range 500, 10.44 at 200 tiles and ca. 16 at the minimum range of 32 tiles (any closer and the mortar could score a direct hit on itself and that's just silly) corresponding to a CEP of 0-8 tiles from max to min range. For reference, fragments go for up to 16 tiles.
I have now started conducting some ingame tests to balance lethality :D
(http://i.imgur.com/5Hs8xVY.png)
My metric is that balance is right when a shell hitting the center knocks out half the pawns in the blue circle (~7 tiles).
In unrelated news I also made some tweaks to the AI and if I'm right pirates should actually engage from much larger ranges now instead of wading through MG fire for no reason. I'm currently doing some playtesting to confirm this and as soon as that's done the new version will go up.
From what little I can see, that looks awesome.
Version 1.1.2 is up
Rebalanced mortars and tweaked raider AI, for more details see changelog.
PS To anyone having trouble with Centipedes, in my recent test game I finally got around to using an EMP mortar and it is extremely useful. One shell will stun mechanoids in a large area and for a long duration while colonists are free to take potshots at them, so if you're having trouble try one.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on April 12, 2015, 03:45:18 PM
Version 1.1.2 is up
Rebalanced mortars and tweaked raider AI, for more details see changelog.
PS To anyone having trouble with Centipedes, in my recent test game I finally got around to using an EMP mortar and it is extremely useful. One shell will stun mechanoids in a large area and for a long duration while colonists are free to take potshots at them, so if you're having trouble try one.
Im still testing, but so far, Im not seeing the new more accurate behavior. Will continue to test.
Quote from: NihilRex on April 12, 2015, 11:11:10 PM
Im still testing, but so far, Im not seeing the new more accurate behavior. Will continue to test.
Just went and tested to make sure I didn't screw up somewhere. Placed 10 mortars at the lower edge of a 400x400 map, made them fire at the center sandbag on the upper edge. The arms of the cross are 5 tiles each. Target distance is approx. 350 tiles, maximum deviation from target should be 5-6 tiles from target not accounting for aiming error.
(http://i.imgur.com/HlYrXh6.gif)
I fired multiple salvos, they all performed as expected. The technical implementation is definitely there, maybe you're just not noticing it because of the ranges involved? If you're building your colony in the middle of the map and/or playing on less than maximum map size the effect is going to be much less pronounced due to scale. For the record I've been assuming a maximum range of 1000 tiles with maximum accuracy at 500.
Not a problem, I see it now that I recreate your test. Thanks again!
I like this mod and yet it refuses to play with Superior Craft. I am sad.
Do You consider making compability patch for Cybernetic Storm? There is few weapons and I realy love those two mods.
Quote from: Carlsf on April 14, 2015, 06:54:44 AM
Do You consider making compability patch for Cybernetic Storm? There is few weapons and I realy love those two mods.
I'll have some free time this week I want to use to implement the next big feature for this mod. Depending on how fast that goes I might have a look at creating compatibility patches for some of the larger mods out there, no promises though.
does this work on alpha 10?
Quote from: dustysniper on April 17, 2015, 08:17:08 PM
does this work on alpha 10?
Not yet, I'll probably have an update tomorrow.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on April 18, 2015, 02:54:51 AM
Quote from: dustysniper on April 17, 2015, 08:17:08 PM
does this work on alpha 10?
Not yet, I'll probably have an update tomorrow.
Thanks. I actually wont play rimworld without this and the EDB mods lol.
Looks great. Just waiting on the Alpha 10 patch :)
With A10 out, I have a new request... can I get a magazine fed Dragon automortar? Small caliber, 1 shell = ~5 projectiles, max range ~120 tiles, and minimum range ~ 10 tiles. Im having issues in the newest version with defiladed enemies, which is pretty awesome from an AI standpoint, but annoying as a player.
If impossible, I will understand.
Alpha 10 version is up. Haven't playtested it so may be unbalanced and/or buggy. Reduced range on certain weapons, let me know what you guys think. Defence Pack and Rimfire compatibility patch coming soon. I also reorganized some code and it seems the FPS drop from mortars is significantly bigger now. I'm not sure if this is due to the new code structure or A10 but its probably best to not build too many mortars. I'll have a look at it in the near future.
Quote from: dustysniper on April 18, 2015, 07:55:12 PM
Thanks. I actually wont play rimworld without this and the EDB mods lol.
Ha, I felt the same way about the original Realistic Weapons mod, which is why I made this one.
Quote from: NihilRex on April 20, 2015, 12:53:11 PM
With A10 out, I have a new request... can I get a magazine fed Dragon automortar? Small caliber, 1 shell = ~5 projectiles, max range ~120 tiles, and minimum range ~ 10 tiles. Im having issues in the newest version with defiladed enemies, which is pretty awesome from an AI standpoint, but annoying as a player.
If impossible, I will understand.
Never heard of it TBH and Google only turns up this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_Fire_%28mortar%29). Going by your description its fairly easy to implement from a technical POV and I'm not opposed to including something like it in the Defence Pack. Problem is I'm not a spriter and the best I could come up with in that regard would be a reskinned vanilla mortar.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on April 22, 2015, 02:25:08 PM
Alpha 10 version is up. ...
Fantastic work, sir! I wonder though, for those of us who are not quite ready for the A10 update, could you perhaps retain a download for A9 the core mod? I too feel this mod is essential :)
Thanks!
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on April 22, 2015, 02:25:08 PM
Quote from: NihilRex on April 20, 2015, 12:53:11 PM
With A10 out, I have a new request... can I get a magazine fed Dragon automortar? Small caliber, 1 shell = ~5 projectiles, max range ~120 tiles, and minimum range ~ 10 tiles. Im having issues in the newest version with defiladed enemies, which is pretty awesome from an AI standpoint, but annoying as a player.
If impossible, I will understand.
Never heard of it TBH and Google only turns up this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_Fire_%28mortar%29). Going by your description its fairly easy to implement from a technical POV and I'm not opposed to including something like it in the Defence Pack. Problem is I'm not a spriter and the best I could come up with in that regard would be a reskinned vanilla mortar.
I'd be fine with a reskinned sprite. I never worked with the Dragons, and only had scuttlebutt to go on, but it supposedly had cassette fed rounds and could acquire and fire a mission within 30seconds of recieving a digital call for fire. Probably just rumor exaggerating \ conflating the Dragonfire.
Like I said, I was thinking shortrange, low damage, and a burstfire type system, just something to help clear out pesky pirates hiding in defilade.
NoImageAvailable,
Project Armory 3.00 is out.
Would you mind undergoing a huge piece of work and converting damage in this mod to realistic values? Everything else but damage is calculated by realistic metric values, so no need to change those. Me and Evul would be glad to include a link to your mod as a must-have addition to PA. :D
Quote from: Plymouth on April 25, 2015, 03:07:34 PM
NoImageAvailable,
Project Armory 3.00 is out.
Would you mind undergoing a huge piece of work and converting damage in this mod to realistic values? Everything else but damage is calculated by realistic metric values, so no need to change those. Me and Evul would be glad to include a link to your mod as a must-have addition to PA. :D
Already had a first look, I'll have it done tomorrow since its bed-time over here. Also found the first bug, the British Bulldog has infinite range because there is a "," where a "." should be.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on April 25, 2015, 04:09:06 PM
Already had a first look, I'll have it done tomorrow since its bed-time over here. Also found the first bug, the British Bulldog has infinite range because there is a "," where a "." should be.
Oh man, this is embarrasing.
I was wondering If you could incorporate rimsenal into your mod ? They're awesome weapons that really fit into the universe !
Does the Project Armoury version work on the current armoury? anyone know?
Quote from: Kolljak on April 26, 2015, 08:32:37 PM
Does the Project Armoury version work on the current armoury? anyone know?
No, I'll hopefully have the new version ready for release today.
Awsome. this is one of the mods in my personal modpack i may release at a later date. im just waiting for the game to exit Alpha before releasing any mods or packs do to the code constantly changing.
Do I need to start a new colony, when I want to play with this mod?
Quote from: Jan2607 on April 28, 2015, 07:07:49 AM
Do I need to start a new colony, when I want to play with this mod?
No Yes
When is this going to be updated for Project Armory ?
Oooooops :P
This is the CR Core mod.
Also installed are:
EdB Prepare Carefully
Craftable guns (https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=10850.0)
OmniDefence by Skullywag
What of these mods could cause this nice Screen?
And I named the CR core mod file DCombatRealism, because this mod was above the Core mod and I didn't know how to change this. Thanks to the D it ist now under Core.
But that couldn't cause the problem, right?
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I cant read that error can you copy and paste what it says into the post.
1 [Name of Version]
1 Initialized the EdB Prepare Carefully mod
2 Def-linked translation error: Found no Verse.JobDef named PrivateTime to match PrivateTime.reportString
1 Initializing map from file A10 with mods Core, Craftable guns, EdB Prepare Carefully and OmniDefence
1 Def-linked translation error: Found no Verse.JobDef named PrivateTime to match PrivateTime.reportString
1 Initializing map from file A10 with mods Core, Craftable guns, EdB Prepare Carefully, OmniDefence and DCombatRealism
1 Map compressor decompressing error: No thingDef with short hash 12796. Adding as null to Dictionary
1390 (number is still raising) Object reference not set to an instance of an Object
Copy and paste wasn't possible, I had to copy out the text.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on April 28, 2015, 07:38:24 AM
Quote from: Jan2607 on April 28, 2015, 07:07:49 AM
Do I need to start a new colony, when I want to play with this mod?
No
Alright, I found a solution to this. You NEED to start a new colony.
I tried to start a new colony with all these mods AND Combat Realism, and there was no error.
Went and tested it, apparently the AI changes I recently introduced do require a new colony to work.
Okay, thanks for information :)
I hope, the CR Defence Addon will be updated soon, I want to have these Brownings :D
(have not gone throw resint post on this thred but im still going to say it)
OI up date to PA can you pleas work on the rebalince i would like to get my colines heads shot off from a cuple of miles away from a smiper
Quote from: Epyk on January 29, 2015, 12:34:50 PM
Combat realism? it's a damn crazy combat mod. It seems you've never used a weapon in real life.
You made a serious mistake without taking into consideration parameters such as:
1) the caliber of the bullets, respectively recoil after the shot. In your mod minigun bullets 5,56x45 caliber shooting at the same distance as a sniper rifle with a caliber 7,62x51.
2) Lethal force of a bullet 7,62x51 caliber about 3 times stronger than 5,56x45. Currently weapon damage is the same..
3) The weight of the weapon. In your mod no difference colonist took up a two-pound gun or 15-30 pound minigun. There is no decrease in the speed of movement. Usability of firearms plays a very important role, which affects everything.
7,62x51 vs. 5,56x45
(http://www.spec-naz.org/armory/images/7.62x51-vs-5.56x45-2-267x300.jpg)
For comparison:
5,56x45 Bullet weight - 3.6 g. Muzzle velocity of the bullet - 975 m/s. Muzzle energy ~ 1690 joules.
7,62x51 Bullet weight - 10.2 g. Muzzle velocity of the bullet - 840 m/s. Muzzle energy ~3600 Joules
P.S. Сurrently not playable at all.
Honestly both would hurt like a bitch but the main diffrence is
7.62
72% armour pen on standard kevlar
90% on Kevlar Helmet
Kick's like a mule so accuracy is down
5.56 Standard nato
20% pen on Kevlar
20% on Kevlar Helmet
Lower Kick higher marksmen ratings.
I have a modified version that i use for my Ultimate Overhaul Modpack feel free to check it out and use it however you want, you can ignore the SCA10Core, the Rimfire Combat Realism Rework (the rework is for Alistaire), and the fact that combat realism is missing files since it is simply a modified patch for compatibility with my modpack. just focus on the Weapons_Guns.xml for the numbers that i have used and feel free to let me know what you guys think, and ignore the <smeltProducts> <SteelBar>10</SteelBar> </smeltProducts> this is for compatibility with Superior Crafting. Here is the link: http://goo.gl/Ri2lIJ
Quote from: skyarkhangel on April 28, 2015, 09:56:32 PM
Combat realism? it's a damn crazy combat mod. It seems you've never used a weapon in real life.
You made a serious mistake without taking into consideration parameters such as:
1) the caliber of the bullets, respectively recoil after the shot. In your mod minigun bullets 5,56x45 caliber shooting at the same distance as a sniper rifle with a caliber 7,62x51.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minigun
QuoteThe M134 Minigun is a 7.62x51 mm NATO, six-barreled machine gun with a high rate of fire (2,000 to 6,000 rounds per minute).
Quote2) Lethal force of a bullet 7,62x51 caliber about 3 times stronger than 5,56x45. Currently weapon damage is the same..
Muzzle energy != lethal force. It is energy transfered that matters and that depends on bullet ballistics, tumbling, etc. more than initial energy and it is well known that pistol bullets can be more effective at close range than assault rifles with several times more muzzle energy. Just because 7.62 has 3 times the energy than 5.56 does not mean it does 3 times more damage.
Quote3) The weight of the weapon. In your mod no difference colonist took up a two-pound gun or 15-30 pound minigun. There is no decrease in the speed of movement. Usability of firearms plays a very important role, which affects everything.
Yes there is.
(https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=9759.0;attach=7940;image)
And the Minigun is not obtainable at all, if you somehow did it is a bug. It is not a weapon that can be carried by one person.
I don't appreciate your tone, either. If you have criticisms, voice them in a civilized manner, don't go on about how terrible and unplayable the mod is if you didn't even familiarize yourself with its basic features. This isn't 4chan.
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Dont worry about the critics NoImageAvailable your mod is awesome and this is a game not real life, the combat is more realistic and that is what the mod is designed for that is the bottom line, and you have done a very nice job of it, and numbers can always be tweaked but haters will always be haters lol
Quote from: Ninefinger on April 29, 2015, 03:39:56 AM
Dont worry about the critics NoImageAvailable your mod is awesome and this is a game not real life, the combat is more realistic and that is what the mod is designed for that is the bottom line, and you have done a very nice job of it, and numbers can always be tweaked but haters will always be haters lol
I agree with you!
I like this mod very much :)
Quote from: Ninefinger on April 29, 2015, 03:39:56 AM
Dont worry about the critics NoImageAvailable your mod is awesome and this is a game not real life, the combat is more realistic and that is what the mod is designed for that is the bottom line, and you have done a very nice job of it, and numbers can always be tweaked but haters will always be haters lol
+1
I found the content of the exchange interesting, but strongly agree that the criticism should have been offered in a more civil manner. A nice thing about this community is that it is generally very friendly - our responsibility to keep it that way.
Love this mod, thanks for you work!
Can't wait for the project armory update, if it's on the way :)
Quote from: skyarkhangel on April 28, 2015, 09:56:32 PM
Quote from: Epyk on January 29, 2015, 12:34:50 PM
Combat realism? it's a damn crazy combat mod. It seems you've never used a weapon in real life.
You made a serious mistake without taking into consideration parameters such as:
1) the caliber of the bullets, respectively recoil after the shot. In your mod minigun bullets 5,56x45 caliber shooting at the same distance as a sniper rifle with a caliber 7,62x51.
2) Lethal force of a bullet 7,62x51 caliber about 3 times stronger than 5,56x45. Currently weapon damage is the same..
3) The weight of the weapon. In your mod no difference colonist took up a two-pound gun or 15-30 pound minigun. There is no decrease in the speed of movement. Usability of firearms plays a very important role, which affects everything.
First off have you ever shot a real gun in a real combat situation? Ive missed people at less than 100m in real combat and Ive never missed a paper target during my service time. Lethal force of a 7.62 is 3 times stronger? Where are these facts coming from? Its not about the type of bullet its about where the target is hit and what the round does inside the body. Talk to any combat surgeon 7.62 is an easy bullet to treat 5.56 is terrible since its bounces around in the body and shreds everything. And aweomse mod.
Quote from: MelanisticAlbino on May 02, 2015, 12:15:41 PM
Love this mod, thanks for you work!
Can't wait for the project armory update, if it's on the way :)
PA update was more work than I expected due to the severity of changes between versions. As I don't have much free time during the week I mostly work on it on weekends. Hence the delay with the Defence Pack and PA update. On the bright side, damage changes are all done and right now I'm looking mostly at 3-4 hours of shuffling around spreadsheets and googleing specs for obscure weapons so it should hopefully get done tomorrow.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on May 02, 2015, 12:41:25 PM
PA update was more work than I expected due to the severity of changes between versions. As I don't have much free time during the week I mostly work on it on weekends. Hence the delay with the Defence Pack and PA update. On the bright side, damage changes are all done and right now I'm looking mostly at 3-4 hours of shuffling around spreadsheets and googleing specs for obscure weapons so it should hopefully get done tomorrow.
Well to save you some time on googleing (and so get the update faster i hope) don't forget about http://world.guns.ru/index-e.html that has most of the IRL guns in PA.
Released version 1.2.1, mostly just groundwork for the PA update.
Quote from: Armyguy on May 02, 2015, 02:30:59 PM
Well to save you some time on googleing (and so get the update faster i hope) don't forget about http://world.guns.ru/index-e.html that has most of the IRL guns in PA.
Thanks, though I already use that site as a reference. Google is mostly used for those obscure weapons like the Sjorgen rifle which don't even have a Wikipedia article.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on May 03, 2015, 06:54:06 AMGoogle is mostly used for those obscure weapons like the Sjorgen rifle which don't even have a Wikipedia article.
Yeah finding values for obscure weapons is sometimes hard.
As a heads up on the PA update, the spreadsheet work is done, tomorrow I'll be moving on to the exiting tasks of Google and copy-paste.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on April 29, 2015, 02:51:28 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minigun
The M134 Minigun is a 7.62x51 mm NATO, six-barreled machine gun with a high rate of fire (2,000 to 6,000 rounds per minute).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XM214_Microgun
5,56x45 microgun.
I suppose "Arnold" the colonist can take this but not for a long time.
But....
In your mod colonist run with 40 pound 7,62 Minigun ;)
It's not real...
Quote from: skyarkhangel on May 04, 2015, 03:09:16 AM
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on April 29, 2015, 02:51:28 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minigun
The M134 Minigun is a 7.62x51 mm NATO, six-barreled machine gun with a high rate of fire (2,000 to 6,000 rounds per minute).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XM214_Microgun
5,56x45 microgun.
I suppose "Arnold" the colonist can take this but not for a long time.
But....
In your mod colonist run with 40 pound 7,62 Minigun ;)
It's not real...
1) The weapon in the game is very clearly labeled Minigun
2) I already told you, it is
not obtainable, it is Centipedes only
Fantastic work! Now I wait only for Deffence update. It shouldn't be hard to update.
Any idea when the updates for project armory and defense will be released??
looking forward to em :)
I had a colonist with 13 shooting and a survival rifle. I got attacked by 4 enemys with personal shields and long swords, my colonist 1 shot his shied from the furthest range and then shot his leg off, he killed everyone without missing once and 2 shot everyone of them before they got hafe way. I just think this is way to op and have turned the mod off because it makes the game unfair.
Quote from: GamerGuy on May 09, 2015, 02:39:01 AM
I had a colonist with 13 shooting and a survival rifle. I got attacked by 4 enemys with personal shields and long swords, my colonist 1 shot his shied from the furthest range and then shot his leg off, he killed everyone without missing once and 2 shot everyone of them before they got hafe way. I just think this is way to op and have turned the mod off because it makes the game unfair.
Thanks for the feedback, I did have a look at the accuracy and will be bringing it in line with the recent changes to gun range. Do keep in mind however that what happened to you was 4 pirates with low quality equipment charging into melee against a crackshot sniper with a long range rifle and I don't think the outcome was unfair or unbalanced. Wouldn't be very fair to have that fancy assassin who just sits around all day get shived by a random pair of chumps, would it?
Update:
Version 1.2.2 is out. Rifle type (except sniper) weapons now have higher accuracy penalties over distance. As always, feedback is appreciated.
Project Armory version released: Comes in two versions, light and regular. Regular has all the weapons except M2HB (for obvious reasons). Light removes weapons which I personally feel are unnecessary, bloat the game or otherwise detract from the experience, such as renaissance era weapons, obscure niche weapons like the AS Val and VSS which don't work within the Rimworld combat system or weapons that otherwise needlessly bloat the game (*cough* 20 different Bolter variants *cough*).
Defence Pack Update:
Updated the Defence Pack to Alpha 10. The new turrets are no longer buildable, instead they need to be purchased from traders and installed like art pieces. Make sure to download the latest version of the main mod as well. Credit goes to BBream for the minified turret code.
Triple-posting updates, either I'm really fast on the updates or thread-activity has taken a dive :-\
Buffed melee to make it more competitive. Also, by request the AGS-30 automatic grenade launcher has been added to the Defence Pack (not exactly an automatic mortar, but I think this works just as well for taking out defiladed enemies)
(http://i.imgur.com/Em1mi6o.png) (http://i.imgur.com/AO7zOXz.gif)
(Click image for animated preview)
No comments except this remains my fav mod! may comment when back from vacation and able to give the newer versions a try - but I like what I'm reading about turrets so far.
ISSUES WHERE MADE......
Lmao sorry had to but any way....
error report i think i broke your mod but here you are my good sir
http://puu.sh/hOi83/e40067e3c0.png (http://puu.sh/hOi83/e40067e3c0.png)
Quote from: Zerg HiveMind on May 15, 2015, 12:06:04 PM
ISSUES WHERE MADE......
Lmao sorry had to but any way....
error report i think i broke your mod but here you are my good sir
http://puu.sh/hOi83/e40067e3c0.png (http://puu.sh/hOi83/e40067e3c0.png)
Seems like a load order issue. Download EdB Mod Order if you haven't already (link is in the OP) and make sure Combat Realism Defence is listed below Combat Realism Core.
Is there any way to rotate the new gun turrets? Bought an M2, but only able to install it with the interact spot facing south. Tried rotating with the usual q and e keys, but no joy.
Quote from: Mckee on May 15, 2015, 05:22:53 PM
Is there any way to rotate the new gun turrets? Bought an M2, but only able to install it with the interact spot facing south. Tried rotating with the usual q and e keys, but no joy.
That's odd, in my game I am able to rotate turrets using q and e. Are you running any other mods?
Quote from: Mckee on May 15, 2015, 05:22:53 PM
Is there any way to rotate the new gun turrets? Bought an M2, but only able to install it with the interact spot facing south. Tried rotating with the usual q and e keys, but no joy.
I have the same issue with TVs when EdB UI mod is installed.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on May 15, 2015, 05:53:09 PM
Quote from: Mckee on May 15, 2015, 05:22:53 PM
Is there any way to rotate the new gun turrets? Bought an M2, but only able to install it with the interact spot facing south. Tried rotating with the usual q and e keys, but no joy.
That's odd, in my game I am able to rotate turrets using q and e. Are you running any other mods?
I'm running the EDB UI, mod order and prepare carefully, as well as project armory, vein miner and the finer things in life mod.
I've not had any conflicts arising from them apart from this - I'm not sure if any of them change the placement of stuff like turrets or art, but not noticed it.
It seems to work fine firing through my pawn (Thankfully).
Quote from: Mckee on May 16, 2015, 04:57:06 AM
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on May 15, 2015, 05:53:09 PM
Quote from: Mckee on May 15, 2015, 05:22:53 PM
Is there any way to rotate the new gun turrets? Bought an M2, but only able to install it with the interact spot facing south. Tried rotating with the usual q and e keys, but no joy.
That's odd, in my game I am able to rotate turrets using q and e. Are you running any other mods?
I'm running the EDB UI, mod order and prepare carefully, as well as project armory, vein miner and the finer things in life mod.
I've not had any conflicts arising from them apart from this - I'm not sure if any of them change the placement of stuff like turrets or art, but not noticed it.
It seems to work fine firing through my pawn (Thankfully).
I can't seem to replicate the bug. I've also been running every one of these mods except for finer things and had no issues so far. Looking over the changelog for EdB UI it mentions a bugfix for the rotation menu of minified things for version 2.7.2, did you install the most recent version?
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on May 16, 2015, 05:23:55 AM
I can't seem to replicate the bug. I've also been running every one of these mods except for finer things and had no issues so far. Looking over the changelog for EdB UI it mentions a bugfix for the rotation menu of minified things for version 2.7.2, did you install the most recent version?
That EDB update cracked it, thanks. I can rotate the turret now, cheers.
I downloaded the project armory pack, light, and the razor wind(I think that's what it's called. The saw-blade thingy) doesn't work. My pawns equip it, they take aim, but then, they just sit around and don't shoot.
It's loaded after combat realism, and no other weapons(so far) are having problems.
Quote from: AllenWL on May 17, 2015, 01:39:30 AM
I downloaded the project armory pack, light, and the razor wind(I think that's what it's called. The saw-blade thingy) doesn't work. My pawns equip it, they take aim, but then, they just sit around and don't shoot.
It's loaded after combat realism, and no other weapons(so far) are having problems.
This is a problem with Project Armory itself, see https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=1950.msg131628#msg131628
Does this work with the vanilla turrets mod?
http://puu.sh/hQosU/cbc56632cf.png (http://puu.sh/hQosU/cbc56632cf.png) i got this when i loaded the mods in that order
Quote from: Zerg HiveMind on May 17, 2015, 06:22:27 AM
Does this work with the vanilla turrets mod?
http://puu.sh/hQosU/cbc56632cf.png (http://puu.sh/hQosU/cbc56632cf.png) i got this when i loaded the mods in that order
Did you install the latest version of the core mod?
Is there any way to get the Defense pack split off so that it doesn't rely on anything from the primary mod? I'm looking primarily to utilize the barbed wire.
Quote from: jerome736 on May 18, 2015, 02:34:51 PM
Is there any way to get the Defense pack split off so that it doesn't rely on anything from the primary mod? I'm looking primarily to utilize the barbed wire.
The dependency comes mainly from the turrets, the structures themselves are completely standalone.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on May 18, 2015, 03:38:04 PM
Quote from: jerome736 on May 18, 2015, 02:34:51 PM
Is there any way to get the Defense pack split off so that it doesn't rely on anything from the primary mod? I'm looking primarily to utilize the barbed wire.
The dependency comes mainly from the turrets, the structures themselves are completely standalone.
So I'm pretty much a neophyte when it comes to Rimworld mods, how do I split it off? When I try it with the mod loaded it throws a bunch of errors (that refer to turret type stuff).
Quote from: jerome736 on May 18, 2015, 04:09:36 PM
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on May 18, 2015, 03:38:04 PM
Quote from: jerome736 on May 18, 2015, 02:34:51 PM
Is there any way to get the Defense pack split off so that it doesn't rely on anything from the primary mod? I'm looking primarily to utilize the barbed wire.
The dependency comes mainly from the turrets, the structures themselves are completely standalone.
So I'm pretty much a neophyte when it comes to Rimworld mods, how do I split it off? When I try it with the mod loaded it throws a bunch of errors (that refer to turret type stuff).
The only files relevant to the buildings are Defs/ThingDefs/Buildings_Defenses.xml and some textures, just delete everything else.
Is the M2 Browning working the current Defense addon? I'm not seeing it under the Security tab. On 10f, I've stripped down to only EdB mod order and these two (core then defense) to avoid conflicts, still not seeing it...
The turrets are sold by the combat supplier, not built.
Ah, got it, that's different from a few versions ago :)
Suggestion - make the automated turrets only available by trade, but the M2 (or a weaker version of it) buildable from the outset. I don't like the temptation of being able to spam auto turrets from day 1 ;)
Quote from: akiceabear on May 23, 2015, 02:09:39 AM
Ah, got it, that's different from a few versions ago :)
Suggestion - make the automated turrets only available by trade, but the M2 (or a weaker version of it) buildable from the outset. I don't like the temptation of being able to spam auto turrets from day 1 ;)
Interesting idea, but its a tricky balance problem. If I make the auto-turrets purchasable it opens up some potential problems regarding what you do when your colonists are all incapable of violence or have cataracts or something that prevents them from fighting. It also raises the question what to replace them with. The M2 is out of the question, even one is a major asset, a colony full of them would be just about invincible. I could make some improvised mounted gun but then the question is how powerful do I make it? If I make it on par with an assault rifle suddenly the survival rifle, pistols, etc. become obsolete but if I make it too weak its not worth using over regular guns.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on May 23, 2015, 03:45:26 AM
Interesting idea, but its a tricky balance problem.
Fair points. Maybe nerf the initial auto-turret a but add more upgrades for it? There are some interesting ones here: https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=11934.msg134491#msg134491
The reason I bring it up is because as it stands the auto-turrets are extremely lethal and cheap. Even with good pawns it makes too much sense to just build 1/2 on each side of the base and send pawns to bed when a raid comes - this works extremely well for the first year or so on CC Challenge.
Quote from: akiceabear on May 23, 2015, 07:10:26 AM
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on May 23, 2015, 03:45:26 AM
Interesting idea, but its a tricky balance problem.
Fair points. Maybe nerf the initial auto-turret a but add more upgrades for it? There are some interesting ones here: https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=11934.msg134491#msg134491
The reason I bring it up is because as it stands the auto-turrets are extremely lethal and cheap. Even with good pawns it makes too much sense to just build 1/2 on each side of the base and send pawns to bed when a raid comes - this works extremely well for the first year or so on CC Challenge.
That might be a good idea. I'm thinking move the turret production to the machining table (so you need to weight the need for defense vs productiveness) and make them portable so they're less of a sitting duck, increasing cost to compensate. For firepower something that can fend off the occasional pirate with a pistol/shiv early on and later upgrade it through research to something a bit below the current level around the time colonists could be expected to carry a decent number of assault rifles or better. Additionally I might add some kind of automatic sentry gun ala Aliens to the combat supplier as a late game upgrade/alternative to the improvised turrets.
Not sure if it's caused by this mod, but why does the vast majority of enemies have melee weapons? They are like target practice for me. Makes the game way too easy.
Since I started RimWorld today, I got a debug screen in the main menu. The same screen appears, if I use the "Replace all trade ships" feature.
Some of the trade ships have nothing to sell and no money so I can't buy anything.
I don't know, why this happens now. I have some other mods installed, but when I played yesterday there was nothing wrong with it.
What can I do?
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Quote from: Colonist51 on May 26, 2015, 10:33:52 AM
Not sure if it's caused by this mod, but why does the vast majority of enemies have melee weapons? They are like target practice for me. Makes the game way too easy.
The mod shouldn't really affect the prevalence of melee weapons. I haven't played vanilla combat since A8 though so I don't really have any frame of reference for this one.
Quote from: Jan2607 on May 26, 2015, 03:59:18 PM
Since I started RimWorld today, I got a debug screen in the main menu. The same screen appears, if I use the "Replace all trade ships" feature.
Some of the trade ships have nothing to sell and no money so I can't buy anything.
I don't know, why this happens now. I have some other mods installed, but when I played yesterday there was nothing wrong with it.
What can I do?
The error wall of text seems like a dependency issue, did you make sure to install the latest version of the main module? The other error looks more like something another mod is causing.
Okay, I deactivated the CR Defence mod. The CR mod was version 1.0, that's why it was incompatible with the CR defence mod.
Can I delete the old version and install the new one without starting a new colony?
Quote from: Jan2607 on May 27, 2015, 07:02:07 AM
Can I delete the old version and install the new one without starting a new colony?
Should be fine.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on May 26, 2015, 06:22:56 PM
Quote from: Colonist51 on May 26, 2015, 10:33:52 AM
Not sure if it's caused by this mod, but why does the vast majority of enemies have melee weapons? They are like target practice for me. Makes the game way too easy.
The mod shouldn't really affect the prevalence of melee weapons. I haven't played vanilla combat since A8 though so I don't really have any frame of reference for this one.
Ok, I see. I got another question, is the core mod required to run Combat Realism Defence and Combat Realism for Project Armory (light)? Or can I run them as standalones? In this case would they have vanilla values?
Quote from: Colonist51 on May 27, 2015, 09:40:12 AM
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on May 26, 2015, 06:22:56 PM
Quote from: Colonist51 on May 26, 2015, 10:33:52 AM
Not sure if it's caused by this mod, but why does the vast majority of enemies have melee weapons? They are like target practice for me. Makes the game way too easy.
The mod shouldn't really affect the prevalence of melee weapons. I haven't played vanilla combat since A8 though so I don't really have any frame of reference for this one.
Ok, I see. I got another question, is the core mod required to run Combat Realism Defence and Combat Realism for Project Armory (light)? Or can I run them as standalones? In this case would they have vanilla values?
Core module is required as is said in the installation instructions.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on May 27, 2015, 10:03:22 AMCore module is required as is said in the installation instructions.
I must have missed that, my bad. Thanks for clarifying.
I think this is a problem. Miniguns, and thusly centipedes are near impossible to stop without crazy kill boxes.
The mod description states that walls are supposed to be near impervious to bullets. Yet one burst from a single centipede can blow through 2 lines of embrasure or 3 lines of stone walls and still one shot most any colonist (haven't tried someone in full power armor). Is this working as intended?
Very nice mod otherwise, I just have to reload before any centipedes come as they are rather unstoppable. Scythers seem to be perfectly difficult, same with other centipedes and raids. Miniguns are a little crazy though.
Quote from: delraith on May 30, 2015, 01:20:53 AM
Since walls are supposed to be impervious to bullets in this, why do centipedes absolutely obliterate everything with their gattling guns? Embrasures or walls do nothing to prevent a centipede from one shotting pretty much any colonist. Is this working as intended?
Could you be more specific? If the miniguns are actually
destroying the walls it is not working as intended. If they are simply shooting the guy standing behind an embrasure it is normal. IIRC embrasures have a block chance of 95%, meaning out of the 600 bullets a minigun fires per burst, over 30 will still get through on average.
I've seen the hit rate get as low as 1%, though that's still about 6 shots out of 600.
Something that should be noted is, if there is a mod that adds it's own walls/embrasures/etc, the structures added by the mod seem to be very weak to bullets.
For example, if you get combat realism and superior crafting, you get two walls. The combat realism wall can take a lot of punishment from bullets and other projectiles, but the superior crafting wall can easy be taken out by bullets or the fragments from a mortar shell.
Quote from: AllenWL on May 30, 2015, 11:26:54 PM
I've seen the hit rate get as low as 1%, though that's still about 6 shots out of 600.
Something that should be noted is, if there is a mod that adds it's own walls/embrasures/etc, the structures added by the mod seem to be very weak to bullets.
For example, if you get combat realism and superior crafting, you get two walls. The combat realism wall can take a lot of punishment from bullets and other projectiles, but the superior crafting wall can easy be taken out by bullets or the fragments from a mortar shell.
Thats because of the different/not set <damageMultipliers> in the buildings defs, have a look for yourself ;)
cheers
Im getting issues with the mod, Ive disabled all others, leaving only CR enabled, and it gives me a blackscreen and the console log.
SC of log below
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Quote from: AllenWL on May 30, 2015, 11:26:54 PM
I've seen the hit rate get as low as 1%, though that's still about 6 shots out of 600.
Something that should be noted is, if there is a mod that adds it's own walls/embrasures/etc, the structures added by the mod seem to be very weak to bullets.
For example, if you get combat realism and superior crafting, you get two walls. The combat realism wall can take a lot of punishment from bullets and other projectiles, but the superior crafting wall can easy be taken out by bullets or the fragments from a mortar shell.
Yep, that's what it is. You beat me to posting it =o
And apparently charge rifles go through centipedes like they are made of butter. Did not have any of those guns till now.
My favorite part of this mod has got to be the colonist damage changes. Organs being the most vulnerable makes loads of sense. Shrapnel and explosion changes are good too.
A few critiques:
- I am not sure if this is a vanilla element or not, but a colonist having a shattered rib appears to be non-penalizing in any way.
- Shotguns are not AoE weapons in real life and really can't feasibly hit more than 1 human and do much of any damage. Your usual 12ga buckshot still has a spread of <1 foot when fired at 20 yards. Any buckshot fired at a range where spread is great enough to hit more than 1 person has already lost a lot of its force (it can have a hard time piercing clothing).
- Pistols seem kinda useless to me.
- A mob of mad squirrels is impossible to escape from. I am doubtful running from squirrels would be that hard irl.
I think I can see why Tynan set the initial values for most of his weapons, I find it a little more difficult to manage the increased range on most of the rifles; battlefields can be very large. It seems like the game's obstacles don't get properly accounted for at such ranges.
Don't let me fool you! I really enjoy the mod. :)
I would love to see a good way to integrate a mod like this one with advanced crafting.
Quote from: Facepunch on May 31, 2015, 09:36:37 PM
Im getting issues with the mod, Ive disabled all others, leaving only CR enabled, and it gives me a blackscreen and the console log.
SC of log below
You need to start a new colony for this mod to work.
Quote from: delraith on May 31, 2015, 10:10:31 PM
A few critiques:
- I am not sure if this is a vanilla element or not, but a colonist having a shattered rib appears to be non-penalizing in any way.
- Shotguns are not AoE weapons in real life and really can't feasibly hit more than 1 human and do much of any damage. Your usual 12ga buckshot still has a spread of <1 foot when fired at 20 yards. Any buckshot fired at a range where spread is great enough to hit more than 1 person has already lost a lot of its force (it can have a hard time piercing clothing).
- Pistols seem kinda useless to me.
- A mob of mad squirrels is impossible to escape from. I am doubtful running from squirrels would be that hard irl.
- I think it causes some minor pain? But yeah, it's a vanilla thing.
- True, 00 does have some pretty tight patterns, but I think at 35m (which is where I set the shotgun max range) a 1m spread isn't too far out there and at that point you could feasibly hit a guy standing right next to the target. Regarding damage, individual pellets are already pretty weak. You need to be in close and hit with most of them for a one hit kill or double tap at long range which I think is reasonable as it is.
- Pistols do have their uses when you don't have anything better and the enemy charges you in melee. Later on their low weight makes them useful on that guy with two peg legs whom you don't want to weigh down with a machine gun. Sure, overall they're a niche weapon and not really competitive against assault rifles and the like but they're not really supposed to be either.
- I dunno, I've seen some pretty nasty squirrels back in my day. (In seriousness, that's just a vanilla thing, although having your shooter weighed down by heavy weapons might contribute.)
QuoteI would love to see a good way to integrate a mod like this one with advanced crafting.
Just adding that I'd also love to see a compatibility patch with Superior Crafting in a future alpha - I guess the main issue would be tweaking structures?
Quote from: delraith on May 31, 2015, 10:10:31 PM
- Pistols seem kinda useless to me.
I find them very useful given to every one of my non-combatants. Since it's light and has nearly no penalty, it's a good weapon to give to my guys who never actually fight as a just-in-case thing.
Plus, it has a fine hitrate and firerate, and is pretty nice for close-range indoors combat or against mad animals.
Quote from: akiceabear on June 01, 2015, 03:58:48 AM
QuoteI would love to see a good way to integrate a mod like this one with advanced crafting.
Just adding that I'd also love to see a compatibility patch with Superior Crafting in a future alpha - I guess the main issue would be tweaking structures?
I was looking into that just before A10 hit. IIRC it was that SC modified and added lots of structures + some new turrets. I'm currently working on a project for a different game but once that is finished I might look into making some compatibility patches.
Right, so, at the risk of feeling even dumber than I already am after slipping up on the new colony thing,
I've installed CR Defense, and the buildings (Embrasures, trenches, etc.) are all showing up, but there's no turrets anywhere.
Quote from: Facepunch on June 01, 2015, 07:49:12 PM
Right, so, at the risk of feeling even dumber than I already am after slipping up on the new colony thing,
I've installed CR Defense, and the buildings (Embrasures, trenches, etc.) are all showing up, but there's no turrets anywhere.
As of the latest update, turrets are purchased through combat suppliers.
Ahh. Thanks.
Wow this took forever to register... Turns out I am not so bright... had to google the tv show question...
Aaaaaanywaaaaay. I hit this problem, got the combat merchant coming, so I attempt to communicate with them and get a blank prompt. I can dismiss it, communicate again and get another one. It seems not to affect the game except I cannot use the merchant. Anyone seen anything like that before? Any ideas? cheers!
Here is the screenshot
https://www.dropbox.com/s/2q7lb17izbl5b3w/Screen%20Shot%202015-06-03%20at%2007.35.19.png?dl=0
I am using the 3 CM realism mods (light armory), pawn state icon, edb interface and mod order loader. Tried to disable the CM turret mod, and causesda crash, tried to disable edb interface and it made no difference.
Quote from: OwlPaste on June 03, 2015, 02:32:18 AM
Wow this took forever to register... Turns out I am not so bright... had to google the tv show question...
Aaaaaanywaaaaay. I hit this problem, got the combat merchant coming, so I attempt to communicate with them and get a blank prompt. I can dismiss it, communicate again and get another one. It seems not to affect the game except I cannot use the merchant. Anyone seen anything like that before? Any ideas? cheers!
Here is the screenshot
https://www.dropbox.com/s/2q7lb17izbl5b3w/Screen%20Shot%202015-06-03%20at%2007.35.19.png?dl=0
I am using the 3 CM realism mods (light armory), pawn state icon, edb interface and mod order loader. Tried to disable the CM turret mod, and causesda crash, tried to disable edb interface and it made no difference.
That's really weird, I've been running all those mods myself with no issues. Is it just this one particular trader or every combat supplier? Also, are there any warnings in the log (to open it you need dev mode enabled in the game options)?
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ekd3dk8b5ccp6a2/Screen%20Shot%202015-06-03%20at%2018.49.06.png?dl=0
Looks like something is not initialised, this is the second trader I contacted, first one was exotic trader that was just fine. I haven't really played from this point because I wanted to buy some guns - report a bug xD
If you want me to take a look at something specific, let me know what and I can take a peek...
Edit:
Yes can confirm other sellers are not affected, just the combat one.
By other traders I mean other combat suppliers. It might be helpful if you could go into the debug action menu and use the "Replace traders" option to spawn 5 new traders, then see if those other combat suppliers work.
Mmm yep, tried that and could not reproduce the error again, the other combat traders seemed to work just fine too... I am now thinking this one must have had something truly magical on it!
thank you for an amazing mod ::) fragments system really makes gameplay much better!
it would be nice to improve the texture of the fragments :)
Quote from: skyarkhangel on June 05, 2015, 02:27:12 PM
it would be nice to improve the texture of the fragments :)
I think they're in line with vanilla bullet textures and besides, how often do you pause and look at them anyway?
It keeps saying "Could not find a type named Combat_Realism.Projectile_ExplosiveFrag"
:-\
i love this mod i have had a lot of fun setting up ambushes while the riders are marching up to my door and sprang them with some grenades and they all diapers into a cloud of red and guts. But I wish that the enemy would be a bit smarter but that is on rimwolds felt not yours like they get the idea that my door would look cooler on fire and for get to kill the 4 men that have their guns raining bullet down on them but beside that this is an amusing mod and I would like to help in any way that I can to make this better
The plans for advanced crafting, and alpha 11, are still plans, or not anymore ?
Quote from: ( Tchey ) on June 14, 2015, 06:39:32 PM
The plans for advanced crafting, and alpha 11, are still plans, or not anymore ?
I've been getting kinda burned out on Rimworld so updating to A11 might take a while if it happens at all.
I'm a big fan of this mod, but understand your POV. I'm also finding it wearing a bit thin - will probably duck out for a few alphas.
A unfortunate part of regular alpha updates is it requires such dedication from modders just to maintain existing mods. Not criticizing Tynan at all, just noting that for the most time intensive mods it probably makes more sense to wait until final release...
i have a big problem: i have the mod order, i put combat realism and C.R. defence. my order was: core, C.R, C.R.D and other mods, but when i start a game, i have the black screen, that means that i have a missing core. But when i had installed C.R. project army(light) the mods worked but the defence not. what should i do?
Quote from: PoppiesMan on June 18, 2015, 08:17:02 AM
i have a big problem: i have the mod order, i put combat realism and C.R. defence. my order was: core, C.R, C.R.D and other mods, but when i start a game, i have the black screen, that means that i have a missing core. But when i had installed C.R. project army(light) the mods worked but the defence not. what should i do?
Are you trying to run this on Alpha 11?
Quote from: NoImageAvailable link=topic=9759.msg142247#msg142247
Are you trying to run this on Alpha 11?
Needs in update :-[
I would enough at least, just combatRealism.dll update :)
I need this we all need this pls update :)
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on January 29, 2015, 12:27:41 PM
Combat Realism
<SNIP>
Does this work for version A11? Cause I saw it included in some A11 mod combination packs.
Do not quote half a side of irrelevant stuff.
You are warned.
1) Don't quote the OP, it completely breaks the flow of the thread if you have such a humongous quote
2) No, I haven't updated this to A11. Whatever modpacks include it must be using their own ported versions.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on June 27, 2015, 04:38:42 AM
1) Don't quote the OP, it completely breaks the flow of the thread if you have such a humongous quote
2) No, I haven't updated this to A11. Whatever modpacks include it must be using their own ported versions.
Why not jut tell somebody else how to update it if you dont want to?
I actually know already what needs updating: some stuff got renamed but nothing major, in fact I already did all of it. The only relevant change is in collision detection. Since A11 bullets no longer phase through solid objects so my Utilities.determineImpactPosition method is obsolete as vanilla uses a more optimized approach with Projectile.tick(). Problem is it only calculates collision with pawns and walls and I need it to account for cover objects too, so the function must be modified in a new class and the change proliferated throughout the XML files. The calculations for cover collision are based on a formula that simulates a ballistic trajectory (the further a bullet is past the halfway point, the lower its trajectory, thus the more likely it is to hit ground obstructions). Furthermore, it is hardcoded to only calculate collisions halfway to the target and fragment projectiles should always detect collision so functionality for varying minimum collision ranges must be added. I think there might have been some changes to the Verb code so that would need updating as well but I'm not sure right now.
Beyond that all you have to do is update all the XML files to the new format and you're looking at something like 2-3 hours of work. I planned out most of it and actually started on some of the easier stuff but then figured I'm kinda burned out on Rimworld and barely anyone posts in this thread so it's not worth the effort. I'm appending the source code that has all the functions properly renamed, if you or anyone else wants to have a shot at it but frankly, I doubt anyone will pick this up.
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Thanks for your work on the mod. On one hand Combat Realism has been my Rimworld way of life since discovering it but on the other I understand how frustrating it would be to have to update it for every new alpha that comes out.
Until now I've just been one of the people who've enjoyed your mod without posting any thanks. So thank you! The combat is important for me in Rimworld and this mod makes it much more interesting than vanilla, at least in my opinion. Regardless of whether you take a (permanent or otherwise) break from working on it, thanks for everything you've already done.
it does not work with Alpha 11
when I enable the main Combat Realism in Mod option the game brakes...can you update this ?
please update this...there are people wanting this to be updated....don't just abandon your work like that
Hey, this mod looks awesome!
It's a shame the only time I come across it it seems to be abandoned or at least suspended for the while, same with PA.
Anyway, if you do decide to pick it back up I'll make sure to give some solid feedback and some motivation! :D
This was one of the first mods I ever installed & changed my rimworld experience since day 1.
Take all the time that you need updating it but know that you have a core group of fans who love your work OP
I updated the .xml files for whatever that's worth...
It's still unplayable because of the outdated .dll file (or as far as I know).
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Can this mod be used in the current version of RimWorld?
Unfortunately no :( As stated by Image there are complications with the new bullet systems and one of his (or her? :-\) their utilities. I just did the dumb labor of updating all the xml files, but I don't know C# worth a darn to even consider trying to work on it.
Quote from: Valarsul on July 31, 2015, 04:04:47 PM
Unfortunately no :( As stated by Image there are complications with the new bullet systems and one of his (or her? :-\) their utilities. I just did the dumb labor of updating all the xml files, but I don't know C# worth a darn to even consider trying to work on it.
I wish tynan put this in to the main game, That would be super cool
Please update, Image. :(
Just seconding that I'd love to see an update - perhaps with A12, which will be stable for 6+ months?
As a matter of fact, I did plan for an A12 update.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on August 20, 2015, 05:56:01 AM
As a matter of fact, I did plan for an A12 update.
Really?!?!?!? YAY!!!! I dont know if anyone else is as excited as i am!!!!????
sampling the vanilla gameplay for A12 but excited about getting my REAL combat on. Ma Deuce's all day erey day
Suggestion from a convo in the RimWorldMod chat;
[00:12] cb-elite: I like to give some of the weapons in my mod 2 verbs.
[00:12] cb-elite: For example: one melee verb and one shoot verb
[00:13] cb-elite: Just was thinking that it would be nice to be able to quickly decide which to use when playing
[00:14] alistaire: don't think it works?
[00:14] cb-elite: Oh it does
[00:15] cb-elite: A weapon with a melee and a shoot verb will perform both functions at their respective ranges
[00:15] cb-elite: I just have to right-click "melee" if I want to use the weapon to melee right now :confused:
[00:16] z0mbie: something like a minigun or a pistol wouldn't do melee but a shotgun or rifle would
Because CombatRealism is the goto mod for incompatibility would you consider adding this with the A12 release?
EDIT: Further convo:
[00:19] cb-elite: <verbs>
<li>
<verbClass>Verb_Shoot</verbClass>
<hasStandardCommand>true</hasStandardCommand>
<projectileDef>Bullet_BruteShot</projectileDef>
<forcedMissRadius>4</forcedMissRadius>
<warmupTicks>200</warmupTicks>
<range>30</range>
<burstShotCount>3</burstShotCount>
<ticksBetweenBurstShots>20</ticksBetweenBurstShots>
<soundCast>BruteShotFire</soundCast>
<soundCastTail>GunTail_Heavy</soundCastTail>
<muzzleFlashScale>9</muzzleFlashScale>
</li>
<li>
<verbClass>Verb_MeleeAttack</verbClass>
<meleeDamageBaseAmount>25</meleeDamageBaseAmount>
<meleeDamageDef>Cut</meleeDamageDef>
</li>
</verbs>
[00:20] alistaire: Jesus that works?
[00:20] z0mbie: ah yeah, just add two tags
[00:20] cb-elite: Weapon need balancing, but it works
[00:20] z0mbie: wow that's funny
[00:20] alistaire: That's so awesome
[00:20] cb-elite: It's literally that simple lol
Quote from: Alistaire on August 22, 2015, 06:19:06 PM
Because CombatRealism is the goto mod for incompatibility would you consider adding this with the A12 release?
Not sure what you're requesting here, some functionality beyond what vanilla offers?
Edit: Also, there is a mod chat?
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on August 23, 2015, 06:18:47 AM
Quote from: Alistaire on August 22, 2015, 06:19:06 PM
Because CombatRealism is the goto mod for incompatibility would you consider adding this with the A12 release?
Not sure what you're requesting here, some functionality beyond what vanilla offers?
Edit: Also, there is a mod chat?
There was a lot more to the conversation, but this is basically just letting you know that you can add a lot of functionality to vanilla guns (which are very realistic) if you so desire, by giving certain weapons two verbs:
- Spears can be used in melee combat forever, and then thrown as a last resort (possibly destroyed after one use)
- Ranged weapons can be used as blunt melee weapons when an enemy gets close enough (hitting someone with the butt of your gun, for example)
- Anything else you might think of that involves one melee verb and one shoot verb
Giving a weapon two different shooting verbs doesn't work very well for whatever reason, so just keep that in mind...
And yeah! Feel free to join us on Slack :)
Just go here to get started (http://rimworldmod-slackin.herokuapp.com/)
Quote from: CB elite on August 23, 2015, 06:42:08 AM
There was a lot more to the conversation, but this is basically just letting you know that you can add a lot of functionality to vanilla guns (which are very realistic) if you so desire, by giving certain weapons two verbs:
- Spears can be used in melee combat forever, and then thrown as a last resort (possibly destroyed after one use)
- Ranged weapons can be used as blunt melee weapons when an enemy gets close enough (hitting someone with the butt of your gun, for example)
- Anything else you might think of that involves one melee verb and one shoot verb
Giving a weapon two different shooting verbs doesn't work very well for whatever reason, so just keep that in mind...
And yeah! Feel free to join us on Slack :)
Just go here to get started (http://rimworldmod-slackin.herokuapp.com/)
Ah, well that could be interesting. Though now I really want to figure out a way to give multiple shooting verbs to guns, suppressive fire anyone?
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on August 23, 2015, 09:17:49 AM
Quote from: CB elite on August 23, 2015, 06:42:08 AM
There was a lot more to the conversation, but this is basically just letting you know that you can add a lot of functionality to vanilla guns (which are very realistic) if you so desire, by giving certain weapons two verbs:
- Spears can be used in melee combat forever, and then thrown as a last resort (possibly destroyed after one use)
- Ranged weapons can be used as blunt melee weapons when an enemy gets close enough (hitting someone with the butt of your gun, for example)
- Anything else you might think of that involves one melee verb and one shoot verb
Giving a weapon two different shooting verbs doesn't work very well for whatever reason, so just keep that in mind...
And yeah! Feel free to join us on Slack :)
Just go here to get started (http://rimworldmod-slackin.herokuapp.com/)
Ah, well that could be interesting. Though now I really want to figure out a way to give multiple shooting verbs to guns, suppressive fire anyone?
Forget that, what about Time On Target for mortars\howitzers?
Quote from: NihilRex on August 23, 2015, 12:37:21 PM
Forget that, what about Time On Target for mortars\howitzers?
Can you elaborate?
what about alpha 12 ?
Quote from: Thomasio on August 27, 2015, 03:39:05 PM
what about alpha 12 ?
He is working on it, you can see the progress here https://github.com/RimWorldMod
Quote from: Thomasio on August 27, 2015, 03:39:05 PM
what about alpha 12 ?
Alistaire and I are putting the finishing touches on an experimental new aim system. We basically rewrote the entire thing from scratch, pawns now actually have to lead targets, estimate range, bullet height is being tracked to determine cover impact, guns have recoil and probably some more stuff I forgot about are coming to the A12 update. We still need to iron out some kinks but we're on track for a weekend release.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on August 27, 2015, 04:51:05 PM
Quote from: Thomasio on August 27, 2015, 03:39:05 PM
what about alpha 12 ?
Alistaire and I are putting the finishing touches on an experimental new aim system. We basically rewrote the entire thing from scratch, pawns now actually have to lead targets, estimate range, bullet height is being tracked to determine cover impact, guns have recoil and probably some more stuff I forgot about are coming to the A12 update. We still need to iron out some kinks but we're on track for a weekend release.
Wow that sounds amazing! Great work you guys!
So excited to play this!
Quick progress update, bugfixing took longer than expected but all the functionality is there and just needs some last minute tweaks. Here's a quick preview illustrating some of the new functionality:
Vanilla: magic autohits, if RNG decides you got hit then you got hit, reality doesn't matter
(http://i.imgur.com/XRGYgwG.gif)
New aiming system: pawns have to actively lead a target, how well they do depends on their skill, target is only hit if bullet actually collides
(http://i.imgur.com/Rbm2ZUp.gif)
Yey ;D awsome do we have an eta ?
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on August 23, 2015, 12:42:33 PM
Quote from: NihilRex on August 23, 2015, 12:37:21 PM
Forget that, what about Time On Target for mortars\howitzers?
Can you elaborate?
With multiple shooting verbs, you could simulate doing a ToT barrage with mortars\howitzers. They take longer to set up, but drop several rounds in a tight cluster. It is like having multiple guns on one target.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artillery#MRSI
Quote from: rsof69 on August 31, 2015, 12:03:47 PM
Yey ;D awsome do we have an eta ?
I'm hoping to release in the next 1-2 days, but then you never know with these things. Sometimes you're just about done and then you realize one of your methods has a major logic flaw and needs to be completely rewritten.
Quote from: NihilRex on August 31, 2015, 12:43:24 PM
With multiple shooting verbs, you could simulate doing a ToT barrage with mortars\howitzers. They take longer to set up, but drop several rounds in a tight cluster. It is like having multiple guns on one target.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artillery#MRSI
Okay, I can see what you mean. The problem right now is such a mechanic doesn't serve any purpose ingame and would be purely aesthetic (and drop your framerate a whole lot more). Same thing with say, giving a machine gun burst and suppression mode.
Right now I'm working on finishing the new aiming system, after that I want to take a shot at new armor mechanics. After that I'd like to look into improved pawn AI and one of the things I had in mind was make them panic or go prone if they have too much incoming fire. Once such mechanics are in place I'll get on implementing different firing modes because right now they just don't make sense from a gameplay perspective.
My body is so ready for this new system. I can't believe you guys managed to program something so awesome!
Can't wait. Dying to try it.
Can the bullets still miss even when they are on the right track to collide? I noticed that in your presentation all bullets hit the target, even when he was downed.
I am really glad that this mod is not abandoned. I hate when my colonists get shot around corners and I cant wait to try the new version out! :D
Released 1.3.0
New aiming system released. Keep in mind that I wasn't able to fix all the issues or do much balancing so far, so consider this an open Beta. Should you experience weird behaviour (slowdowns, bullets hitting things behind the shooter, etc.) please report it. Should you have suggestions regarding balance and weapon behaviour, feel free to post them. Your feedback helps ensure this mod is the best it can be.
Awesome! Will be giving this a try very soon!
Once the kinks are worked out a RimFire patch would also be amazing :)
We want combat realism defence
Made an account just to express my appreciation for your work. Heartily looking forward to a Rimfire compatibility patch. Thanks so much!
coooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
thx to update
Just put a few hours into it - for the most part a great experience. A few comments:
* It seems like pawns can't peek out and shoot around corners like they used to - is this deliberate?
* When hunting with a sniper rifle I've had a pawn go in for the kill (1 cell away) and shoot himself to death! That seems a bit silly to me.
Besides those two bugs enjoying it hugely!
Found a bug. Pawns don't seem to want to shoot at crashed ancient ship parts.
Pawns can still shoot around corners, but the angle seem much smaller now.
Thanks for the bug reports guys, that stuff should all be fixed now. Defence pack and Rimfire patch are coming once I get some playtesting done and finish balancing the vanilla guns.
Hey,
Mod system work with all weapons or only vanilla?
Thanks, great NIA! Again, one of my favorite mods that I really, really missed during A11.
A suggestion - shooting skill becomes incredibly important with this mod within a few seasons. It would be nice to have a shoot-range type of object to train on as part of the mod - Abrexus had a nice version previously as part of Superior Crafting which even allow auto-scheduling of practice for selected pawns. Balancing is critical, of course (perhaps it should take years to get a pawn from 1 to 20 just via the range), but I would like to see something like that eventually.
I'll see if I can get a decent shooting range, IIRC there was another mod out there that disappeared at some point I think?
Quote from: old_sinh on September 03, 2015, 07:30:38 AM
Hey,
Mod system work with all weapons or only vanilla?
Only vanilla, mod added weapons need a patch.
That new aiming system is awesome.
Say, does this mean if we get a bunch of sandbags in a rows one after another, we can send small animals at the enemy with very little chance of them getting hit?
Good reminder NIA - I did a search and found this one by ItchyFlea (https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=10623.msg105052#msg105052), which is already updated for A12. I'll give it a try in my next game with CombatRealism!
Awesome mod, think it could be patched to be EPOE compatible? If so, awesome. If not, that's fine, mod is still great anyway.
NIA whats the steps for patching for us modders with weapons if we wanna support.
Quote from: ultimatron14 on September 03, 2015, 12:05:41 PM
Awesome mod, think it could be patched to be EPOE compatible? If so, awesome. If not, that's fine, mod is still great anyway.
As far as I remember EPOE is purely XML based, the only conflicts should be with regards to changed body part XML entries. All you'd have to do is merge the changes.
Quote from: skullywag on September 03, 2015, 12:10:09 PM
NIA whats the steps for patching for us modders with weapons if we wanna support.
All projectiles use Combat_Realism.BulletCR, ProjectileCR_Explosive, ProjectileCR_Frag as ThingClass (that last one needs its own ThingDef). Guns use Verb_ShootCR, Verb_ShootCRMortar, Verb_ShootCROneUse, Verb_ShootCRShotgun. They also need this Comp:
<comps>
<li Class="Combat_Realism.CompPropertiesCustom">
<compClass>Combat_Realism.CompAim</compClass>
<shotVariation>0.0</shotVariation>
<shooterVariation>0.0</shooterVariation>
<recoilOffsetX>(0.0,0.0)</recoilOffsetX>
<recoilOffsetY>(0.0,0.0)</recoilOffsetY>
</li>
</comps>- shotVariation is how much a shot will randomly deviate in degrees (think Minute of Angle/miliradians of a gun).
- shooterVariation is this effect (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQ97GCtrsOI), with larger values giving wider patterns.
- recoilOffsetX and Y are the range in which recoil will randomly offset the gun horizontally and vertically. For example (0.0,1.0)(0.0,2.0) will cause recoil to go up and slightly to the right, (0.0,0.0)(-2.0,2.0) would only go up and down. The values are in degrees and will be multiplied by shot count within a burst.
AccuracyLong/Medium/Short now affect a gun's range estimation/leading/shotVariation respectively, with 0.5 being no bonuses or penalties, higher values giving bonuses and lower penalties. I'm currently using 0.85/0.85/0.5 for scoped weapons and 0.4/0.4/0.5 for ironsighted rifles, lower values for MGs and such. AccuracyShort should always be 0.5, its just there so quality and weapon health scale shotVariation, use the Comp to set the baseline.
AccuracyTouch currently does nothing, forcedMissRadius only does something with Verb_ShootCRMortar. Apart from that, nothing changed XML wise.
Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! :D
Combat Realism Defence
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on September 03, 2015, 01:43:10 PM
Quote from: ultimatron14 on September 03, 2015, 12:05:41 PM
Awesome mod, think it could be patched to be EPOE compatible? If so, awesome. If not, that's fine, mod is still great anyway.
As far as I remember EPOE is purely XML based, the only conflicts should be with regards to changed body part XML entries. All you'd have to do is merge the changes.
How do you do that?
Quote from: AllenWL on September 04, 2015, 03:16:00 AM
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on September 03, 2015, 01:43:10 PM
Quote from: ultimatron14 on September 03, 2015, 12:05:41 PM
Awesome mod, think it could be patched to be EPOE compatible? If so, awesome. If not, that's fine, mod is still great anyway.
As far as I remember EPOE is purely XML based, the only conflicts should be with regards to changed body part XML entries. All you'd have to do is merge the changes.
How do you do that?
Same as any other XML mod really, just open up the defs in Defs/BodyDefs and Defs/BodyPartDefs and merge the changes to coverage and health. I threw this one together quickly, let me know how it works: https://www.dropbox.com/s/yjyn5j3k9honpxr/CombatRealism%20EPOE.rar?dl=0
Any reason this would make shooting though Stone Embrasures from Superior Crafting not possible?
Quote from: Deepfield on September 04, 2015, 07:03:19 AM
Any reason this would make shooting though Stone Embrasures from Superior Crafting not possible?
Initial shot height is pawnBodySize * 0.75, cover with fillPercentage of 0.75 or higher will be impossible to shoot past because your pawns can't reach that high.
Would that mean that a fill percentage of 0.70 is extremely defensible to stand behind? How does that part work? Is it still random chance for cover to take the hit instead of the pawn?
EDIT:
Ooh, and are mechanoid weapons tweaked the same? Charge Blaster/Lance, Incendiary Cannon and Minigun?
Height is calculated every time the bullet could hit something. If the height is above bodySize, fillPercentage or bodySize+fillPercentage it won't
hit, otherwise it will.
Humans are 1.0 bodySize so a shooter will aim in about the middle to get the highest chance to hit. If the pawn is behind cover that cover height
is subtracted from bodySize for the further calculations so a pawn standing behind 0.7 cover shows only 0.3 of his height, making it harder for
unexperienced shooters to hit them.
When your pawn is downed their bodySize changes to 0.5 which makes them completely impossible to hit behind 0.7 cover, and otherwise
they're less likely to be hit (due to random shot variation and recoil, shooter skill etc). All in all it's a good thing to stand behind cover.
And I guess, if they're standing behind cover that is taller than where they shoot from, pawns will step out to shoot around the corner? Or will they just not shoot at that point? How does stepping out affect their cover?
Quote from: Goo Poni on September 04, 2015, 08:15:04 AM
Ooh, and are mechanoid weapons tweaked the same? Charge Blaster/Lance, Incendiary Cannon and Minigun?
Everything that applies to regular guns should apply to Mechanoid weapons too.
Quote from: Alistaire on September 04, 2015, 08:35:02 AM
When your pawn is downed their bodySize changes to 0.5 which makes them completely impossible to hit behind 0.7 cover, and otherwise
they're less likely to be hit (due to random shot variation and recoil, shooter skill etc). All in all it's a good thing to stand behind cover.
Small correction: right now pawns who are downed have 80% reduced bodySize if their regular bodySize is 1 or lower. Larger pawns use bodySize - 0.8 instead. And yeah, the only time RNG happens after a bullet leaves the barrel is tree collision
Quote from: Goo Poni on September 04, 2015, 08:41:15 AM
And I guess, if they're standing behind cover that is taller than where they shoot from, pawns will step out to shoot around the corner? Or will they just not shoot at that point? How does stepping out affect their cover?
Right now they just won't shoot. AI controlled pawns will try to find another position. Leaning in itself is unchanged from vanilla, it just means a portion of bullets will hit the wall instead of the pawn. Right now bullets have to pass within a certain distance from the pawn's drawn position (IIRC it's bodySize / 4 for humans and scythers, bodySize / 2 for everyone else) and leaning out means about half that range is concealed behind walls.
Maybe a weird queistion but how can i be sure this mod is active on my worlds since i dont realy notice it?
Give a colonist a vanilla weapon, enlist them, enlist another colonist, take a potshot at second colonist with first. See if it looks more like Rimworld's RNG combat or more like the gifs posted by NIA earlier.
UpdateReleased 1.3.2, see changelog for a list of changes. Also updated Defence Pack. Trenches had to go unfortunately but there are two new turrets to make up for it, courtesy of Shinzy and Alistaire respectively.
Quote from: mbos14 on September 04, 2015, 12:50:23 PM
Maybe a weird queistion but how can i be sure this mod is active on my worlds since i dont realy notice it?
Check the survival rifle you start with. If its base accuracy is 50/50/40/40 its working.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on September 04, 2015, 01:59:04 PM
Update
Released 1.3.2, see changelog for a list of changes. Also updated Defence Pack. Trenches had to go unfortunately but there are two new turrets to make up for it, courtesy of Shinzy and Alistaire respectively.
Quote from: mbos14 on September 04, 2015, 12:50:23 PM
Maybe a weird queistion but how can i be sure this mod is active on my worlds since i dont realy notice it?
Check the survival rifle you start with. If its base accuracy is 50/50/40/40 its working.
yup it seems to work i just found it weird i was still losing a lot of leggs. but i do have a mod that add extra weapons in there as well
So i installed this and there is the epoe patch in the main download is that what i am looking for?
i just want the cr not the patch thing
(http://puu.sh/k0k9s/71fd43be7e.jpg)
I keep getting a error log when I start the game with combat realism. I tried redownloading twice, and it doesn't help.
This is the log(pretty sure it is)
I:\CHL\Games\Rimworld\RimWorld914Win\RimWorld914Win_Data\Managed\UnityEngine.UI.dll into Unity Child Domain
- Completed reload, in 0.100 seconds
<RI> Initializing input.
<RI> Input initialized.
desktop: 1920x1080 60Hz; virtual: 1920x1080 at 0,0
Platform assembly: I:\CHL\Games\Rimworld\RimWorld914Win\RimWorld914Win_Data\Managed\System.Core.dll (this message is harmless)
Platform assembly: I:\CHL\Games\Rimworld\RimWorld914Win\RimWorld914Win_Data\Managed\System.dll (this message is harmless)
RimWorld 0.12.914 rev777
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/StandalonePlayerGenerated/UnityEngineDebug.cpp Line: 56)
Platform assembly: I:\CHL\Games\Rimworld\RimWorld914Win\RimWorld914Win_Data\Managed\System.Xml.dll (this message is harmless)
Platform assembly: I:\CHL\Games\Rimworld\RimWorld914Win\RimWorld914Win_Data\Managed\System.Xml.Linq.dll (this message is harmless)
Non platform assembly: data-0A541820 (this message is harmless)
Fallback handler could not load library I:/CHL/Games/Rimworld/RimWorld914Win/RimWorld914Win_Data/Mono/data-0A541820.dll
MapComponentInjector: initializing for RTMadSkills.MapComponent_RTSkillIncreaser
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/StandalonePlayerGenerated/UnityEngineDebug.cpp Line: 56)
Non platform assembly: data-0A757010 (this message is harmless)
Fallback handler could not load library I:/CHL/Games/Rimworld/RimWorld914Win/RimWorld914Win_Data/Mono/data-0A757010.dll
Initialized the EdB Mod Order mod
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/StandalonePlayerGenerated/UnityEngineDebug.cpp Line: 56)
Non platform assembly: data-0A761020 (this message is harmless)
Fallback handler could not load library I:/CHL/Games/Rimworld/RimWorld914Win/RimWorld914Win_Data/Mono/data-0A761020.dll
Initialized the EdB Prepare Carefully mod
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/StandalonePlayerGenerated/UnityEngineDebug.cpp Line: 56)
Non platform assembly: data-0A68A6F0 (this message is harmless)
Fallback handler could not load library I:/CHL/Games/Rimworld/RimWorld914Win/RimWorld914Win_Data/Mono/data-0A68A6F0.dll
MapComponentInjector: initializing for RTFusebox.MapComponent_RTFusebox
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/StandalonePlayerGenerated/UnityEngineDebug.cpp Line: 56)
Non platform assembly: data-0A79B8D8 (this message is harmless)
Fallback handler could not load library I:/CHL/Games/Rimworld/RimWorld914Win/RimWorld914Win_Data/Mono/data-0A79B8D8.dll
Non platform assembly: data-0A7A1AC8 (this message is harmless)
Fallback handler could not load library I:/CHL/Games/Rimworld/RimWorld914Win/RimWorld914Win_Data/Mono/data-0A7A1AC8.dll
Could not find a type named Combat_Realism.CompTurretInit
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/StandalonePlayerGenerated/UnityEngineDebug.cpp Line: 56)
Could not find a type named Combat_Realism.CompTurretInit
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/StandalonePlayerGenerated/UnityEngineDebug.cpp Line: 56)
Could not find a type named Combat_Realism.CompTurretInit
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/StandalonePlayerGenerated/UnityEngineDebug.cpp Line: 56)
Could not find a type named Combat_Realism.CompTurretInit
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/StandalonePlayerGenerated/UnityEngineDebug.cpp Line: 56)
Could not find a type named Combat_Realism.CompTurretInit
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/StandalonePlayerGenerated/UnityEngineDebug.cpp Line: 56)
Could not find a type named Combat_Realism.BulletCR
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/StandalonePlayerGenerated/UnityEngineDebug.cpp Line: 56)
Could not find type named Combat_Realism.CompPropertiesCustom from node <li Class="Combat_Realism.CompPropertiesCustom"><compClass>Combat_Realism.CompAim</compClass><shotVariation>0.04</shotVariation><shooterVariation>0.0</shooterVariation><recoilOffsetX>(-0.3,0.3)</recoilOffsetX><recoilOffsetY>(-0.3,0.3)</recoilOffsetY></li>
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Non platform assembly: data-0A7F2008 (this message is harmless)
Fallback handler could not load library I:/CHL/Games/Rimworld/RimWorld914Win/RimWorld914Win_Data/Mono/data-0A7F2008.dll
The strange thing is, the mod seems to be working more or less fine.
Should I ignore this, or what?
Edit: Ok, I think I found the problem. I put the CR-EPOE patch thing before both mods and now I don't get the thing popping up every time. Woops
Does it work with the current version of Rimfire? The compatibility patch on it's download locations is now pretty old.
Rimfire patch is coming soon, I want to finish playtesting and lock down the balance on the vanilla weapons first so I don't have to release a dozen updates.
Quote from: Mechanoid Hivemind on September 04, 2015, 11:08:22 PM
So i installed this and there is the epoe patch in the main download is that what i am looking for?
i just want the cr not the patch thing
Turns out I put the wrong descriptions on the main download and EPOE patch, woops. You can download it again to get the fixed version.
Is anyone else getting an unusual error where it isn't possible to select/pick up some dropped (and forbidden) items on the ground.
Example: there is a battle, and Pawn1 drops his pistol. Later when I try to select it to unforbid, instead clicking there selects something else (usually an animal) dozens of cells away. Very strange...
I have a few other mods running (EdB's, CCL, AutoSell, TargetPractise) so I'll try to play with just CR and CR Defense next game to see if they are fine on their own...
Quote from: akiceabear on September 05, 2015, 04:49:16 AM
Is anyone else getting an unusual error where it isn't possible to select/pick up some dropped (and forbidden) items on the ground.
Example: there is a battle, and Pawn1 drops his pistol. Later when I try to select it to unforbid, instead clicking there selects something else (usually an animal) dozens of cells away. Very strange...
I have a few other mods running (EdB's, CCL, AutoSell, TargetPractise) so I'll try to play with just CR and CR Defense next game to see if they are fine on their own...
I've seen this happen occasionally myself but I wasn't sure if its a vanilla bug, since I don't know what section of our new code could possibly mess with the UI.
Quote from: akiceabear on September 05, 2015, 04:49:16 AM
Is anyone else getting an unusual error where it isn't possible to select/pick up some dropped (and forbidden) items on the ground.
Example: there is a battle, and Pawn1 drops his pistol. Later when I try to select it to unforbid, instead clicking there selects something else (usually an animal) dozens of cells away. Very strange...
I have a few other mods running (EdB's, CCL, AutoSell, TargetPractise) so I'll try to play with just CR and CR Defense next game to see if they are fine on their own...
I installed this recently, and after toying with it a bit I noticed areas where battles took place where flooded with ghost pawns. Almost every cell a raider army fought/died in had tens of the ghosts, and attempting any action in these cells would target the pawn (unless they died, in which nothing happens).
Quote from: Commander Beanbag on September 05, 2015, 07:10:48 AM
Quote from: akiceabear on September 05, 2015, 04:49:16 AM
Is anyone else getting an unusual error where it isn't possible to select/pick up some dropped (and forbidden) items on the ground.
Example: there is a battle, and Pawn1 drops his pistol. Later when I try to select it to unforbid, instead clicking there selects something else (usually an animal) dozens of cells away. Very strange...
I have a few other mods running (EdB's, CCL, AutoSell, TargetPractise) so I'll try to play with just CR and CR Defense next game to see if they are fine on their own...
I installed this recently, and after toying with it a bit I noticed areas where battles took place where flooded with ghost pawns. Almost every cell a raider army fought/died in had tens of the ghosts, and attempting any action in these cells would target the pawn (unless they died, in which nothing happens).
Wait, what? What exactly do you mean with "ghost pawns"? Also are you using any other mods?
I've seen similar - for example, a boomalope is killed and explodes, burning the body out. Except the fire goes on forever, and if you mouse over the area the desc in the bottom left still says boomalope (although no body visible/selectable the body burns away).
I don't know if this is a CR issue or a A12 issue - in general I'm noticing many more of these types of bugs this alpha...
Edit: spelling
Okay short is shooting at the deer at the top right hand corner she is a lvl9 burning passion shooter and she is hitting where slick is standing well around that area. Why cant she hit them? i am confused
(http://puu.sh/k0E6w/93e0fc7615.jpg)
Quote from: Mechanoid Hivemind on September 05, 2015, 08:24:30 AM
Okay short is shooting at the deer at the top right hand corner she is a lvl9 burning passion shooter and she is hitting where slick is standing well around that area. Why cant she hit them? i am confused
Is she hitting the trees?
Quote from: akiceabear on September 05, 2015, 08:17:44 AM
I've seen similar - for example, a boomalope is killed and explodes, burning to body out. Except the fire goes on forever, and if you mouse over the area the desc in the bottom left still says boomalope (although no body visible/selectable after it burns out).
I don't know if this is a CR issue of a A12 issue - in general I'm noticing many more of these types of bugs this alpha...
Okay, now I can reproduce the bug. It doesn't seem to happen in Vanilla though. Strange considering I have no idea what could be causing such behaviour.
QuoteOkay, now I can reproduce the bug. It doesn't seem to happen in Vanilla though. Strange considering I have no idea what could be causing such behaviour.
FYI - at the least I can clear out the "ghosts" by saving and reloading. Same deal when I have construction that I can't right click on/everyone ignores - saving and reloading seems to solve the issue.
No she is just sniping the ground i looked at the trees health and they where full i cant hunt unless they get super close to the target
Quote from: Mechanoid Hivemind on September 05, 2015, 12:42:56 PM
No she is just sniping the ground i looked at the trees health and they where full i cant hunt unless they get super close to the target
Try dropping the DLL from the attachment into CombatRealism/Assemblies, see if the bug persists.
[attachment deleted due to age]
Released 1.3.3
(http://i.imgur.com/iLXDz5A.png)
Thanks to Latta the mod now features a new reloading system. Guns now have limited magazines which need to be reloaded every now and then. Ammo itself is still infinite. Burst sizes have been reworked as a result as well. Reload button graphic provided by l2032.
For whatever reason, this mod completely disables all turrets. Even a fresh install with ONLY Combat Realism installed, I'm no longer able to build it. I'm not able to build any of the custom ones either with the defence pack enabled. Also, the DL link for the Project Armory compatability patch is broken. I also have the same issues with the 1.3.3 you just posted. Great mod! I just wish I could make it work :/
Quote from: clayfang on September 05, 2015, 02:51:22 PM
For whatever reason, this mod completely disables all turrets. Even a fresh install with ONLY Combat Realism installed, I'm no longer able to build it. I'm not able to build any of the custom ones either with the defence pack enabled. Also, the DL link for the Project Armory compatability patch is broken. I also have the same issues with the 1.3.3 you just posted. Great mod! I just wish I could make it work :/
Improvised turrets have been moved to the machining table, you need to craft them. The new turrets are only available from traders. The Project Armory patch is for the A10 version, it won't get an update until PA itself does.
Do drafted/undrafted colonists reload their weapons automatically, or do we have to manage that manually?
Quote from: Mckee on September 05, 2015, 04:12:44 PM
Do drafted/undrafted colonists reload their weapons automatically, or do we have to manage that manually?
Automatically. Also, I forgot to mention, the new reloading system depends on the Community Core Library (https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=14172.0), so get it if you haven't already.
Ah right, trying to sort my mod order out now so I can run CR with the new rimfire compatibility patch. Any pointers on that one? Kinda struggling with it tbh.
Load order for CombatRealism + Rimfire:
- Community Core Library
- CombatRealism
- CombatRealism + Rimfire 1.8
Ace, thank you very much. Love both the mods :)
İ can't seem to create a world or create a new colony while this mod is active.
İ don't have any problems with Combat Realism Defense but only the core makes problem !
Help ?
I had that issue earlier - check you've got the community library pack installed too and that you use the mod order that got posted just above. I'd mucked mine up and it was stopping world gen.
Progress!
The ghost pawns bug seems to occur when explosive fragments (and possibly regular explosions) kill or damage a pawn. I did not encounter the bug when using guns to kill pawns.
Tests were done using Core, CCL, EDB Mod Order and Combat Realism Core, in that order.
Screenshots (look at the cursor, and then the bottom left's cell content list):
1: http://i.imgur.com/8o77Ups.jpg
2: http://i.imgur.com/weMUPlm.jpg
3: http://i.imgur.com/diZUzTO.jpg
Mortars were used to produce the explosions; they impacted roughly where the corpses are.
Edit: Only 2 mortars were fired.
Edit 2: There are many more cells with ghosts, even outside the explosion's radius. There seems to be a pattern where further cells from the center of the explosions have less ghosts.
Minions can pick range and mele wepons??
Good news everyone, I tracked down the cause and laid those ghosts to rest. Update is coming soon, just need to do some balance adjustments for some new functionality.
Quote from: Adrramas on September 06, 2015, 06:44:21 AM
Minions can pick range and mele wepons??
Not sure what your question is, can you speak clearer?
One would assume he's asking if a pawn can pick up a gun and a melee implement and switch as needed whether automatically or on command.
I don't know if that's possible but pawns can carry things in their inventory so if they could carry their chosen sidearm in their inventory then maybe?
NIA - great to hear the kinks are getting worked out!
Thoughts on the current mod: it's amazing! It's making combat so much more intense and tactical IMO. While the guns ultra stopping power and pawn squishiness would seemingly make things too imbalanced/easy, I actually find that I'm also losing a lot more pawns in the process, and the ones that are recoverable are often maimed in non-trivial ways. Seiges are absolutely terrifying for non-mountain bases. The reloading/clip size/fire rate/range differences between weapons also make that a really challenging and fun process to figure out, and so far seems to balance very well across weapon classes. All in all the mod forces much more careful thinking about how to handle combat, base design, etc etc etc - for me, making my choices more meaningful and the story richer as a result. Great job!
Thoughts on improvements: tribals seem a bit too squishy - almost a trivial non-threat once I have a couple decent pistols or shotguns and a few embrasures built. Perhaps this is by design - why should tribals topple a well armed colony. If not by design, I had a few thoughts that spring to mind:
- Make them more numerous in headcount.
- Make their weapons slightly higher accuracy, especially the melee ones - i.e. you better hope you gun them down before they get to you, because one club swing and you're out.
- Make them stealthier - they know nature better, so have higher chances of sneaking up on you (e.g. no raid alert). This almost gets into (the better) fog of war territory, which of course is a massive undertaking on its own right.
- Nerf the starting loadout to be only primitive weapons - a composite bow, a few plasteel knives. Guns are powerful - make the progression towards them feel long, arduous, and satisfying.
- A CR story teller (part of the nerfed start) that has you dealing exclusively with tribals and natural events until you get a comms console or geothermal plant (for example) - i.e. you pop up on the pirates radar. This makes getting access to gun tech a big trade off - you essentially are wading into the deep end of raid challenges by making that first pistol purchase or art sale.
Just some thoughts that popped up on my few plays so far - take them as you will :)
And thanks again for the mod - I'm loving it as is, so please take these only as musings/suggestions rather than criticisms, which they are not!
Quote from: akiceabear on September 06, 2015, 10:55:28 AM
- Make them more numerous in headcount.
- Make their weapons slightly higher accuracy, especially the melee ones - i.e. you better hope you gun them down before they get to you, because one club swing and you're out.
akiceabear, you could edit the pawnkinddef for tribals under core if you wish to increase headcount. Simply lower the combatpower of tribal pawns to increase the amount per raid.
As for melee accuracy... Well, you could modify NIA's melee weapon def if you want to haha...
I have a bad habit of dissecting and tweaking mod xmls ;D ;D
Quote from: akiceabear on September 06, 2015, 10:55:28 AM
And thanks again for the mod - I'm loving it as is, so please take these only as musings/suggestions rather than criticisms, which they are not!
I'm always glad to get feedback be it positive or negative. Hearing someone else's thoughts on things can go a long way to identifying strengths and problem areas. Regarding tribals I found it depends a lot on what type of map you play. If you're on a boreal forest they have a good chance of closing in since the foliage will be blocking a lot of fire, on a desert you'd probably mow them down before they get anywhere close.
Later down the line I'd like to do an AI overhaul to both teach the AI some new combat tricks but also to make their goals more varied than "Kill! Maim! Burn!". Tribals in particular I'd like to move away from mindlessly charging into machine gun fire and be more about hit and run attacks on infrastructure. Depending on how fancy I'll get I'd like them to do things like ignite crop fields using torches or flaming arrows or blow up exposed generators, then make a run for it before the colonists can react. If the player has fortified positions they would try to avoid them by breaking down walls or building tunnels, or maybe just running around in the vicinity and ambushing lone pawns until you can clear them out.
My basic idea for the factions is that pirates want quick money and will use advanced weapons and tactics to take your valuables then make a run for it while tribals want you off their land but can't afford frontal assaults, so they will resort to lengthier methods that improve their own odds of survival to opportunistically attack weak points of your colony. Additionally I'd like to represent their status as natives of the land more by having them do things like hunt local wildlife, either regular one for food or during special events like trailing a Thrumbo. Basically I'd like them to be more of an ambient rather than immediately existential threat, something the player has to constantly expend resources to guard against rather than mow them down with copious amounts of firepower.
Just started a new game with CR, so far I'm liking it.
One quick question though, would it be possible for hunters to walk closer to their prey? I.e. have the pawn make a decision about the range at which he has a good chance of hitting. My hunter (12 shooter) spent a full day shooting at a turtle without hitting, switched him to a pistol and he's bringing in meat like a madman.
Quote from: l2032 on September 06, 2015, 04:49:10 PM
Just started a new game with CR, so far I'm liking it.
One quick question though, would it be possible for hunters to walk closer to their prey? I.e. have the pawn make a decision about the range at which he has a good chance of hitting. My hunter (12 shooter) spent a full day shooting at a turtle without hitting, switched him to a pistol and he's bringing in meat like a madman.
Pretty sure this has to do with weapon max-ranges and their specific accuracy at those ranges which is pretty much all that matters when your pawn auto hunts stuff. Hunters will stay at max range of the weapon they are using tell the prey is dropped and then go up close to finish the job. They don't take accuracy of the shot into account at all which is why there is so much fail in the AI's shooting in general(they honestly just don't have proper AI for how nuanced and complex the accuracy and los elements are in this game).
Always hated how accuracy and weapon max ranges worked in this game...... Nothing to do with this mod btw. Although I supposed you could try to work around it by making all weapons 80+ accuracy minimum at their respective max ranges. Just using max ranges as the big "equalizer" if you will and forgoing any actual realism in the process. And there lies the age old debate with realism vs gameplay..........
But yes, the pistols are prolly all OP at hunting just because of how ranges and accuracy works. The only downside to pistols and hunting is you have less time to kill it or get away sense you'll be closer to the prey if and when it ever goes hostile/manhunter on you.
Quote from: l2032 on September 06, 2015, 04:49:10 PM
Just started a new game with CR, so far I'm liking it.
One quick question though, would it be possible for hunters to walk closer to their prey? I.e. have the pawn make a decision about the range at which he has a good chance of hitting. My hunter (12 shooter) spent a full day shooting at a turtle without hitting, switched him to a pistol and he's bringing in meat like a madman.
Its an issue with the hunting AI. Pawns will always try to get to max range, regardless of how terrible their accuracy is at that range, hence why close range weapons are best for hunting. If pawns with a sniper rifle would close to within 10 cells of their target before firing they would also be much more effective.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on September 06, 2015, 06:15:29 PM
Its an issue with the hunting AI. Pawns will always try to get to max range, regardless of how terrible their accuracy is at that range, hence why close range weapons are best for hunting. If pawns with a sniper rifle would close to within 10 cells of their target before firing they would also be much more effective.
Exactly. So is it possible to change 'always goes to max range' into 'always goes to max
effective range'?
Quote from: l2032 on September 07, 2015, 01:44:00 AM
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on September 06, 2015, 06:15:29 PM
Its an issue with the hunting AI. Pawns will always try to get to max range, regardless of how terrible their accuracy is at that range, hence why close range weapons are best for hunting. If pawns with a sniper rifle would close to within 10 cells of their target before firing they would also be much more effective.
Exactly. So is it possible to change 'always goes to max range' into 'always goes to max effective range'?
Max range is max effective range. The only way to define max range would be to see how far the bullet goes when fired at a 45 degree angle which might be max range but isn't realistic.
I feel like this is getting lost in the semantics, but possibly I'm just misunderstanding. When you say max effective range, you mean the theoretical maximum effective range as defined in the weapon defs, whereas what I mean is a a range where the hunting pawn has a good chance of actually hitting with the weapon he's holding. Correct?
What I mean is; instead of a pawn going to max (effective) range (as defined in the weapon def), would be it viable to implement a calculation of a theoretical (disregarding cover, foliage, etc.) range where it is likely that this particular pawn, shooting at this size target, has a chance to hit of, say 90%?
Anyway, I'ld look into it more myself, but I haven't looked at any CR code (which I imagine would be needed for this calculation), nor have I had the chance to take a proper look at the hunting jobdriver in the core. I have to work now (Damned!), but I'm planning to look at it more closely tonight.
Quote from: l2032 on September 07, 2015, 03:00:04 AM
Anyway, I'ld look into it more myself, but I haven't looked at any CR code (which I imagine would be needed for this calculation), nor have I had the chance to take a proper look at the hunting jobdriver in the core. I have to work now (Damned!), but I'm planning to look at it more closely tonight.
It is definitely on my to-do list to tweak the hunting AI, though I would probably leave it at "always close to within max range or 10 cells, whichever is lower" for simplicity, because calculating actual hit chances under the new aiming system would be fairly involved and mostly unnecessary.
Thats actually a much simpler and more elegant solution, looking forward to your updates! :D
(I might actually still fiddle around with this myself in the mean time)
Quote from: l2032 on September 07, 2015, 03:49:48 AM
Thats actually a much simpler and more elegant solution, looking forward to your updates! :D
(I might actually still fiddle around with this myself in the mean time)
It'll probably be a while before I get around to it, so if you come up with something in the meantime, feel free to shoot me a message and I'll get it included in the main mod.
Right, so, it seems Im having a bit of an issue with CR, I love this mod, would really like to use it. When I join in, I get a broken game, and a console full of error:
http://puu.sh/k2Y6V/1c9a86c420.png
Dunno what broke, but, again, I really love this mod, it's probably the best thing since beer and hookers.
Facepunch - suggest you play with no mods except CR, then one by one load your other mods and start new games. Should tell you where the incompatibility is.
Quote from: Facepunch on September 07, 2015, 08:35:18 AM
Right, so, it seems Im having a bit of an issue with CR, I love this mod, would really like to use it. When I join in, I get a broken game, and a console full of error:
http://puu.sh/k2Y6V/1c9a86c420.png
Dunno what broke, but, again, I really love this mod, it's probably the best thing since beer and hookers.
Did you load an existing colony? If so, try starting a new one and see if it works.
Is it intentional for frag grenades to have no fragmentation component? Right now they only have the nerfed radius, and they seem fairly weak. I haven't used them much though.
Quote from: Commander Beanbag on September 07, 2015, 10:01:09 AM
Is it intentional for frag grenades to have no fragmentation component? Right now they only have the nerfed radius, and they seem fairly weak. I haven't used them much though.
It is not, will be fixed in the next version.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on September 07, 2015, 09:36:26 AM
Did you load an existing colony? If so, try starting a new one and see if it works.
Strangely, it doesn't do anything when I hit the "New Colony" button, forgot to mention that. Same way with making a new world. Console stays empty, too.
Quote from: Facepunch on September 07, 2015, 10:21:11 AM
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on September 07, 2015, 09:36:26 AM
Did you load an existing colony? If so, try starting a new one and see if it works.
Strangely, it doesn't do anything when I hit the "New Colony" button, forgot to mention that. Same way with making a new world. Console stays empty, too.
Can you post a screenshot of your mod order?
Ive tried it with all the mods active, and with just CR and CCL active, makes no difference.
http://puu.sh/k35gH/1f0b77a92d.jpg
Quote from: Facepunch on September 07, 2015, 11:11:30 AM
Ive tried it with all the mods active, and with just CR and CCL active, makes no difference.
http://puu.sh/k35gH/1f0b77a92d.jpg
What's with the two CCL installs? If one of those is the CCL Vanilla Tweaks try disabling it and see if it fixes things.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on September 07, 2015, 11:37:54 AM
What's with the two CCL installs? If one of those is the CCL Vanilla Tweaks try disabling it and see if it fixes things.
Well, that got the mod to work alone, but Im still getting issues when I use my other mods, I used the same mods not too long ago, with no issue.
http://puu.sh/k39Qi/255dccdbd2.png
Quote from: Facepunch on September 07, 2015, 12:26:47 PM
Well, that got the mod to work alone, but Im still getting issues when I use my other mods, I used the same mods not too long ago, with no issue.
http://puu.sh/k39Qi/255dccdbd2.png
Easiest way to find the offending mod would be to turn them on one after another until you find it.
So yeah, I've looked at it. And given up. The actual code is fairly simple, the call to TryFindCastPosition in Toils_Combat.GoToCastPosition just needs a slight modification when the pawn is hunting;
if (!CastPositionFinder.TryFindCastPosition(new CastPositionRequest
{
caster = toil.actor,
target = thing,
verb = curJob.verbToUse,
maxRangeFromTarget = (closeIfDowned && pawn != null && pawn.Downed) ? Mathf.Min(curJob.verbToUse.verbProps.range, (float)pawn.RaceProps.executionRange) : curJob.verbToUse.verbProps.range,
wantCoverFromTarget = false
}, out intVec))
The problem is getting there, which requires creating a new JobDriver_Hunt, which turns into a mess when decompiling the iterator block. I'm not proficient enough in C# to recover the source from this, so for now my hunters will have to use short range weapons :'(.
one question do you need to make ammo and put it on your colonist if no then can you make a setting to turn that on and off (and a table and maybe researchs for dif ammo) just a question and i will find out when on my next game.
Nope, it's like XCOM at the moment, infinite reloads.
Have had a bit of the issue with the grenade launcher from rimfire with CR enabled - when a pawn is equiped with it, they wont use it at all. I've tried getting them to manually target squares and pawns, I've tried the default combat auto-target, as well as enabling it for hunting - they wont use it in any circumstance. They also wont do anything else in combat, they default to 'standing' action, and wont interect with anything.
If it makes any difference, I bought the GL from a trader. Not seen one being carried by enemies, so not sure if theirs are working too.
ok so i just tryed the mod out and now i cant make/load a world but i can fix it if i do turn off the mod prety sad about and i cant post the eror msg but it might have been my own doing i forgot to shut down rimworld when downloading it witch i dont think is what hapened i think it was becase i tryed to get into a pre-made game and black screen yea i alredy know i just wanted to get in and i screwed up.
Quote from: Mckee on September 07, 2015, 04:10:15 PM
Have had a bit of the issue with the grenade launcher from rimfire with CR enabled - when a pawn is equiped with it, they wont use it at all. I've tried getting them to manually target squares and pawns, I've tried the default combat auto-target, as well as enabling it for hunting - they wont use it in any circumstance. They also wont do anything else in combat, they default to 'standing' action, and wont interect with anything.
If it makes any difference, I bought the GL from a trader. Not seen one being carried by enemies, so not sure if theirs are working too.
This is because NIA made miscalculations in their velocity scaling. Distance is scaled to 1/5th of the real life distance, which wouldn't make velocities 1/5th their real life velocity as you might expect but sqrt(1/5)th or 1/sqrt(5)th of their real life velocity.
Because of this all, velocities don't match up with their max ranges because they're a factor 5 off (they assume 25 meters = 1 cell instead of 5 meters = 1 cell). I've discussed this problem with him but so far he doesn't seem to have changed it. This problem is found on every velocity in CombatRealism, but is only noticeable on low velocity weapons.
They won't use it because it's impossible for the grenades velocity to make the trajectory required to hit something at their max range or apparently even under max range.
It's a known bug and I hope NIA wants to fix it at some point.
Quote from: Alistaire on September 07, 2015, 04:46:41 PM
This is because NIA made miscalculations in their velocity scaling. Distance is scaled to 1/5th of the real life distance, which wouldn't make velocities 1/5th their real life velocity as you might expect but sqrt(1/5)th or 1/sqrt(5)th of their real life velocity.
Because of this all, velocities don't match up with their max ranges because they're a factor 5 off (they assume 25 meters = 1 cell instead of 5 meters = 1 cell). I've discussed this problem with him but so far he doesn't seem to have changed it. This problem is found on every velocity in CombatRealism, but is only noticeable on low velocity weapons.
They won't use it because it's impossible for the grenades velocity to make the trajectory required to hit something at their max range or apparently even under max range.
It's a known bug and I hope NIA wants to fix it at some point.
Ahem, this is
not a bug. The velocities are scaled properly. As it stands a bullet in the game will take the same time to reach maximum range as it would in real life. Scaling it by 1 / sqrt(5) would produce a vastly accelerated timescale and currently the combat is using a timescale of 1:1. The reason the projectile calculations are off is because a) some of the internal calculations in the public release are being fed values in the wrong units, this will be fixed in the upcoming version and b) the algorithm is very simplified and doesn't take into account projectile weight or aerodynamics.
Projectile weight and aerodynamics are part of the muzzle velocity, they don't change the trajectory. The velocities you're using are a sqrt(5) too small and they don't represent anything in this format. Changing the values being fed to the formula is nonsensical, you might as well put in the real life values in the def's max range and velocity tags and calculate their actual values in C#.
As you can see there's some discussion on this topic and I feel like NIA has no idea what he's talking about and he has probably the same feeling about me.
Quote from: Alistaire on September 07, 2015, 06:28:23 PM
As you can see there's some discussion on this topic and I feel like NIA has no idea what he's talking about and he has probably the same feeling about me.
Yes, and I'd very much appreciate this internal discussion staying
internal. If you want to discuss this further we'll use the usual channels, this thread is not the place for this.
*Ahem*
Forget I mentioned it :P
You've both done great work for this game, so yeah, no worries :)
Does anyone else have the issue where you are unable to create a new world while this mod is activated? It seems like something is blocking the world map from loading. Even when I try to start a new game on a previously created map it can't access the world map to continue. I really want to use this mod but it just doesn't seem to work for me. Any ideas
Quote from: exarkun17 on September 07, 2015, 06:46:06 PM
Does anyone else have the issue where you are unable to create a new world while this mod is activated? It seems like something is blocking the world map from loading. Even when I try to start a new game on a previously created map it can't access the world map to continue. I really want to use this mod but it just doesn't seem to work for me. Any ideas
Solution from a couple pages earlier:
Quote from: Mckee on September 05, 2015, 05:45:52 PM
I had that issue earlier - check you've got the community library pack installed too and that you use the mod order that got posted just above. I'd mucked mine up and it was stopping world gen.
hahaha guess I should read more before I post looks like I'm not the only one
Also, make sure to completely quit and restart the game application after changing mods loaded and order.
NIA - I hope you got my response to your questions. I'd have responded sooner, but I was at DragonCon.
Thanks so much for continuing your development of this mod, and introducing new and exciting features to boot in these A12 updates! Mods like EdB's quality of life improvers go a long way to making the game feel better to play but for actual gameplay improvement, Combat Realism has to be my #1 for making Rimworld really feel great. So I'm way appreciative that this mod has continued development. Thank you!
nope still doset work witch one do i download 1 2 3 or 4
Quote from: NihilRex on September 07, 2015, 07:50:50 PM
NIA - I hope you got my response to your questions. I'd have responded sooner, but I was at DragonCon.
Yeah, your answers will be very helpful for future balancing, always good to hear these things from an expert. Also, just as a heads up the next update is coming the next few days. I went on a break the last two days (working on CR for 2 weeks straight does take its toll) to play the game and work on a little side project (http://i.imgur.com/bRzflWv.png) but now its back to CR and after some last adjustments to the aiming system work on a new armor system will start.
On that note, if anyone has ideas for what a realistic armor system should look like, feel free to post them. I'm currently in the planning phase and open to any suggestions.
Quote from: pigman999999999 on September 08, 2015, 07:17:11 AM
nope still doset work witch one do i download 1 2 3 or 4
For reference, this is what my own load order looks like:
(http://i.imgur.com/gkFK4zU.png)
If you have the vanilla tweaks from CCL try disabling them. If you still have problems please post a screenshot of your load order.
okay i fixed it i just needed to redownload them with rimworld not on thanks for the help (:
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on September 08, 2015, 02:44:51 PM
On that note, if anyone has ideas for what a realistic armor system should look like, feel free to post them. I'm currently in the planning phase and open to any suggestions.
I'm not certain how the current armor system works apart from more armor = good, but perhaps something like:
Armor prevents a % of damage based on the type and quality, with heavier and better armor preventing a higher % of damage
Weapons have damage and penetration. Damage is a brute force beating against armor, has its value reduced by armor, but will eventually break through it with every bit of damage slowly degrading the wear and tear of the armor until it breaks. Penetration is how much armor that weapon will ignore; it doesn't degrade the armor quality any more than usual but simply allows the weapon to pierce the armor's protection more easily.
So a suit of power armor with let's say 90% damage reduction against projectiles would allow someone to take a lot of hits from low caliber weapons, but it's losing its durability the entire time it's getting pounded and after a few fights it'd need repair. However, something like an assault rifle, machinegun or sniper rifle would have more penetration and be able to pierce through some of that armor.
Additionally, if more complexity is needed, the lower the durability of the armor, the less damage reduction % it would grant. If this could be applied to Mechanoid hulls while they are alive, it would mean your SMG/Pistol colonists would do practically nothing to them at first but after a couple minutes of sustained gunfire would be reducing that armor a considerable amount.
Again I don't know how vanilla armor works but if it's not already like this, this seems like the style that has been tried and tested in a lot of different games, is fairly simple to understand and isn't needlessly complex while also remaining more or less realistic enough and making it easy to see the effects of better armor purchases.
Question?: Is it possible to make the AI a little smarter in combat? Because factions will visit say in a siege, and they will just blindly walk past while getting shot at, missiles will land a few blocks from them missing them by like one square. It is only until one of them is hit that they will fight back.
Sorry to be a pain, I'm probably missing something face-deskingly obvious, but, there's no turrets. I've completed all the research that has anything to do with turrets, and I took a peek at my security tab in dev mod (With god mode enabled), I've got the barbed wire, some IEDs, a deadfall trap, but no turrets.
Quote from: Facepunch on September 09, 2015, 09:11:43 PM
Sorry to be a pain, I'm probably missing something face-deskingly obvious, but, there's no turrets. I've completed all the research that has anything to do with turrets, and I took a peek at my security tab in dev mod (With god mode enabled), I've got the barbed wire, some IEDs, a deadfall trap, but no turrets.
Check your machining table.
Would you mind uploading the fix to the ghost pawns bug? I've been holding off starting a CR game until this was fixed.
Quote from: Commander Beanbag on September 10, 2015, 01:25:55 AM
Would you mind uploading the fix to the ghost pawns bug? I've been holding off starting a CR game until this was fixed.
Ditto. Love this nod but found those bugs very problematic...
Quote from: Latta on September 09, 2015, 09:14:26 PM
Check your machining table.
I'm talking about CR turrets, such as the M2
UpdateReleased 1.3.4, bunch of bugs got fixed, some changes to the mortar muzzle velocity which should make it more realistic. I also decided to increase projectile velocity for balancing reasons. Considering pawns have a base speed of 4.6 cells per second under the old model they were running around at over 60km/h. I therefore doubled projectile speed to bring lead distances more in line with what you would expect in the real world and to reduce the effect of pawns running away from particularly slow projectiles.
Quote from: akiceabear on September 10, 2015, 03:09:17 AM
Quote from: Commander Beanbag on September 10, 2015, 01:25:55 AM
Would you mind uploading the fix to the ghost pawns bug? I've been holding off starting a CR game until this was fixed.
Ditto. Love this nod but found those bugs very problematic...
Sorry, didn't realize how much of an issue these bugs were for people. The problem was fixing the mortar to fire on high trajectories (45-85°) caused the time to impact to be way higher than it should be. For that reason I had to implement a new functionality to simulate different muzzle velocities for different target ranges as you would get from using different charges on a real mortar, hence the delay.
I have now officially reached what I like to call the uncanny valley of realism, where a simulation is just realistic enough that any bit of abstraction causes complete garbage results and can only be fixed by making the simulation more accurate. I am therefore caught in a self-perpetuating cycle of realism that will only stop after projectiles have drift and wind physics with the rotation of the planet accounted for and pressure effects from firing weapons can kill or permanently injure pawns.
Quote from: Facepunch on September 10, 2015, 07:17:12 AM
Quote from: Latta on September 09, 2015, 09:14:26 PM
Check your machining table.
I'm talking about CR turrets, such as the M2
Those can only be bought from combat suppliers. If you want to do a quick test you can enable dev mode, open the debug console and use the "Replace all traders" command to spawn a bunch of traders. They're not guaranteed to be stocking turrets but most suppliers should have at least one or two for sale.
Update
Just uploaded a very small hotfix to fix a minor issue when firing mortars at specific ranges.
Great! Will give this a try and send feedback probably by the end of the weekend.
For some reason I dont see your turets
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I don't think you can construct them, you have to craft them at the machining table.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on September 10, 2015, 08:08:43 AM
I have now officially reached what I like to call the uncanny valley of realism, where a simulation is just realistic enough that any bit of abstraction causes complete garbage results and can only be fixed by making the simulation more accurate. I am therefore caught in a self-perpetuating cycle of realism that will only stop after projectiles have drift and wind physics with the rotation of the planet accounted for and pressure effects from firing weapons can kill or permanently injure pawns.
Don't forget to account for the metals involved in making the shell, temperatures, the ground material, the possibility of premature detonation, the possibility of late detonation, the possibility of duds, etc.
Thanks for the help, tho. Half the people I see around most forums woulda told me to figure it out after my second question, I appreciate it.
Hi there :)
is it me or centipedes are overpowered with that mod ?
Their heavy SMG seem very accurate with a very long range (more than my LMG). 2 of them killed 10 citizens in a second.
If that's normal then ok, got to find a better strategy next time.
Hey for some reason i cant use stone embrasures. They are from skully my pawns can be shot when standing in my bunker but cant shoot out? Why is that?
http://puu.sh/k8Ovs/5af8de74a4.jpg (http://puu.sh/k8Ovs/5af8de74a4.jpg)
http://puu.sh/k8Oxs/451b65651f.jpg (http://puu.sh/k8Oxs/451b65651f.jpg)
I am lost, a little incite might help as to why this is
Quote from: Kairo on September 10, 2015, 07:50:04 PM
Hi there :)
is it me or centipedes are overpowered with that mod ?
Their heavy SMG seem very accurate with a very long range (more than my LMG). 2 of them killed 10 citizens in a second.
If that's normal then ok, got to find a better strategy next time.
Centipedes are intentionally beefed up a bit, but for the most part they're really not that dangerous as long as you don't try to fight them from half cover. Basically the whole trick is to bait an attack and as they warm up you break line of sight, while your other colonists plink away at them.
In an ideal future scenario they would actually spawn as tag teams with one Centipede and Scyther each moving in formation, Scyther using the Centipede as cover. As the Centipede pins your pawn in place with suppression the Scyther circles around for a flank, but we're not quite there yet unfortunately.
Quote from: Mechanoid Hivemind on September 12, 2015, 01:21:51 PM
Hey for some reason i cant use stone embrasures. They are from skully my pawns can be shot when standing in my bunker but cant shoot out? Why is that?
http://puu.sh/k8Ovs/5af8de74a4.jpg (http://puu.sh/k8Ovs/5af8de74a4.jpg)
http://puu.sh/k8Oxs/451b65651f.jpg (http://puu.sh/k8Oxs/451b65651f.jpg)
I am lost, a little incite might help as to why this is
I'll have to put this in the OP at some point, embrasures from other mods are basically guaranteed to be incompatible. They're too high for your pawns to shoot through. If you want embrasures use the CR Defence Pack instead.
I have it installed but where do i find them at?
QuoteI'll have to put this in the OP at some point
I would also ask to add note that "Enhanced Development, F/K/A Enhanced Defence Enhanced, F/K/A Jaxxa's Shields" are also useless with CR, except for "Personal Nano-shield" part, it works fine.
Bad english rant aheadAnd centipedes will always be overpowered, or anyone with minigun, due to retarded interaction between projectile and cover.
As there is no actual cover, just buff-style magnet that redirects bullet into itself, IF bullet was calculated to LAND on pawn with buff *behind cover*. If bullet had missed in 'calculated' part of shot, but trajectory leads behind pawn, thus passes through tile with pawn, it would hit it, and with CR mechanics for more precise hits in such situation, it makes situation with minigun's bullet spread even worse, as much more bullets would be flying through tile with pawn, theoretically missing him, but also being calculated "to land somewhere behind pawn-behind-embrasure" passing through cover freely, thus hitting him.
Quote from: Mechanoid Hivemind on September 12, 2015, 03:01:00 PM
I have it installed but where do i find them at?
Structures tab, as it's just "walls with holes"
Quote from: Kulverstukass on September 12, 2015, 03:17:14 PM
QuoteI'll have to put this in the OP at some point
I would also ask to add note that "Enhanced Development, F/K/A Enhanced Defence Enhanced, F/K/A Jaxxa's Shields" are also useless with CR, except for "Personal Nano-shield" part, it works fine.
Which parts exactly do not work? As it is, any cover with fillPercent 0.75 or higher will be impossible to shoot through.
QuoteBad english rant ahead
Most of that stuff is actually inapplicable with CR, bullet height and shot angle are tracked, there is no RNG involved in determining hit or miss like in vanilla. If a pawn is standing behind a rock chunk it has a height of 0.5 while the pawn has 1.0 and the minigun will be aiming at height 0.75. If the recoil makes it so that its height at impact is 0.5 or lower it will hit the chunk, if height is higher than 1.0 it will go above the pawn. There are no magic bullet magnets, the only problem is you're basically going up against this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMYZmKMMSsY) so chances are more than a few bullets will hit into that range between 0.5 and 1.0.
QuoteKeep calm and become one with Russia, da?
Now I want to add a new raider faction called "polite people"
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on September 12, 2015, 03:50:29 PM
Which parts exactly do not work?
All static shields, bullets just go through, regardless if there generated *field* or is it *wrapper* as SIF-shield provide.
There is nothing related to shield itself outside of .dll, can't say anything.
https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=15606.0
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on September 12, 2015, 03:50:29 PM
Most of that stuff is actually inapplicable with CR...
Looks like I've used not perfectly fitting word here, logic was *your mod and this thread relate to this mechanics*, not that CR cause this, surely :)
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on September 12, 2015, 03:50:29 PM
...bullet height and shot angle are tracked, there is no RNG involved in determining hit or miss like in vanilla. If a pawn is standing behind a rock chunk it has a height of 0.5 while the pawn has 1.0 and the minigun will be aiming at height 0.75. If the recoil makes it so that its height at impact is 0.5 or lower it will hit the chunk, if height is higher than 1.0 it will go above the pawn.
I've checked, to be sure, that your Embrasures = Walls in terms *altitudeLayer*, difference just in *fillPercent*, rendering 73% to *catch passing bullet*. Yet, even with .99 fillPercent game allow nice amount of bullets to pass through (saying from first appearance of embrasures for RW), and 2 layers of them doesn't make 2 checks with 99% percent to fail for bullets, even if old *to hit chance popup message* was saying, i've tried that and it didn't work at all, first (outside) layer receive damage ONLY in situation of complete miss by shooter, when bullet will fall on that tile anyway.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on September 12, 2015, 03:50:29 PM
There are no magic bullet magnets
Just one step from embrasure - and there is no cover, yet building itself didn't disappeared, how would you call that then?
It's fine with small cover like chunks/sandbags, their height is small, but
wall embrasure is
BuildingTall...
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on September 12, 2015, 03:50:29 PM
QuoteKeep calm and become one with Russia, da?
Now I want to add a new raider faction called "polite people"
Gotta do a lot of work in a very complicated event, like *Spy revealed* from some other mod (TTM maybe it was?), but involving more than one colonist, that was poorly treated, and, after exile (or death, it's RW after all) of colony leader (gotta add that too i guess), group of pawns (that wasn't in starting group) gotta call themselves independent from main colony group, aaaaand here goes *
raider faction called "polite people"*, that rush in and, well, works as peacekeeping unit, preventing player from resolving situation fast and bloody, until that group of separatists will be treated good or (with some timer visible, to not be surprised) they declare themselves independent and join that *
raider faction called "polite people"*. Brand new AI, so they would not leave map but settle somewhere near - would be too much awesome to ask, lol.
Quote from: Kulverstukass on September 12, 2015, 04:51:56 PM
I've checked, to be sure, that your Embrasures = Walls in terms *altitudeLayer*, difference just in *fillPercent*, rendering 73% to *catch passing bullet*. Yet, even with .99 fillPercent game allow nice amount of bullets to pass through (saying from first appearance of embrasures for RW), and 2 layers of them doesn't make 2 checks with 99% percent to fail for bullets, even if old *to hit chance popup message* was saying, i've tried that and it didn't work at all, first (outside) layer receive damage ONLY in situation of complete miss by shooter, when bullet will fall on that tile anyway.
The old system had a lot of issues and exploits which is why it was replaced completely. You're really best off just forgetting it existed when considering the CR system because they are so different they're beyond comparison. Even comparisons with RTS games fall flat, the CR system is closer to what you have in ArmA than anything.
QuoteJust one step from embrasure - and there is no cover, yet building itself didn't disappeared, how would you call that then?
It's fine with small cover like chunks/sandbags, their height is small, but wall embrasure is BuildingTall...
That's actually something of a necessary oversight in the algorithm which detects viable shooting positions. It only takes into account cover directly in front of shooter and target because otherwise you'd get big performance dips from endgame raids with 100+ tribals (well, bigger than usual). It doesn't cause issues in CR except in fringe cases (squirrel one tile away from sandbags), only when you combine it with modded embrasures does it cause weirdness in combination with the minimum collision distance.
However, now that you mention it there is a potential exploit but in the opposite way, standing one tile away from cover would make attackers aim lower than they should and hit cover more often. I'll get that one fixed for the next version.
Just to warn all of you that CR 1.3.4b and CCL 0.12.2 are not compatible.
wait a bit with older CCL 0.12.1.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on September 12, 2015, 05:20:29 PM
The old system had a lot of issues and exploits which is why it was replaced completely. You're really best off just forgetting it existed when considering the CR system because they are so different they're beyond comparison. Even comparisons with RTS games fall flat, the CR system is closer to what you have in ArmA than anything.
So, does *fillPercent* still means something? How determine effectiveness of cover-providing structures now?
As i've just checked, 2 layers of embrasures didn't stopped a bullet, from very close standing shooter, tho.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on September 12, 2015, 05:20:29 PM
That's actually something of a necessary oversight in the algorithm which detects viable shooting positions. It only takes into account cover directly in front of shooter and target
In other words, i shouldn't relate to CTH in popup info, as it takes in account old, vanilla mechanics?
That tiny experiment mentioned above shown 7% to hit, obviously being wrong with all those bullets hit. :)
Quote from: Kulverstukass on September 12, 2015, 06:12:15 PM
So, does *fillPercent* still means something? How determine effectiveness of cover-providing structures now?
As i've just checked, 2 layers of embrasures didn't stopped a bullet, from very close standing shooter, tho.
fillPercent determines an object's collision height. Think fillPercent 0.5 = half the height of a human. Regarding the amount of gunfire that gets through, I did some testing and it seems the recent changes to bullet velocity created a bit of a balance problem. I'll look into fixing it.
QuoteIn other words, i shouldn't relate to CTH in popup info, as it takes in account old, vanilla mechanics?
That tiny experiment mentioned above shown 7% to hit, obviously being wrong with all those bullets hit. :)
There is a reason it is listed as a known issue in the OP, the tooltip is mostly worthless right now and due to technical limitations it is impossible to change it.
Well this just happened when I updated ccl
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Elsewhere in this thread it mentions this is only compatible with a prior version (0.12.1) of CCL. I'm waiting to update CCL until CR can handle it - its my number one mod!
NIA - maybe it would be useful to mention which version of CCL this is tested against in the OP?
Quote from: akiceabear on September 14, 2015, 08:53:03 AM
Elsewhere in this thread it mentions this is only compatible with a prior version (0.12.1) of CCL. I'm waiting to update CCL until CR can handle it - its my number one mod!
NIA - maybe it would be useful to mention which version of CCL this is tested against in the OP?
From what I've been told a CCL update shouldn't break dependent mods unless something in the code used by the mod changed. Recompiling against the new version fixed it and I would have released an update already if my current internal build wasn't broken at the time. Expect an update later today though.
No rush! But thanks for updating this - hard to imagine playing on vanilla now!
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on September 14, 2015, 09:32:14 AM
Quote from: akiceabear on September 14, 2015, 08:53:03 AM
Elsewhere in this thread it mentions this is only compatible with a prior version (0.12.1) of CCL. I'm waiting to update CCL until CR can handle it - its my number one mod!
NIA - maybe it would be useful to mention which version of CCL this is tested against in the OP?
From what I've been told a CCL update shouldn't break dependent mods unless something in the code used by the mod changed. Recompiling against the new version fixed it and I would have released an update already if my current internal build wasn't broken at the time. Expect an update later today though.
Hi,
I tested it on Win 7 64 bits with Rimworld A12D (v.0.12.914) and with the following order :
1 - Core
2 - CCL 0.12.2
3 - CCL Vanilla Tweaks 0.12.2
4 - CR Core 1.3.4b
Many errors detected and can't create a new world/Colony.
With CCL 0.12.1, no errors.
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It works fine with CCL 0.12.1.
Did you change the accuracy?
I played with CR mod in Alpha 10 and I remember, that I had a high accuracy there. Every shot hit the pawn or next to the pawn. But now the shots mostly hit the dirt meters behind the enemy pawns (I've never seen that a shot was too short, they always hit behind the pawn).
But still nice work :)
Thanks for the update :)
CR 1.3.5 and CCL 0.12.2 work fine.
UpdateImportant Note: When updating from older versions you must do a clean install, meaning you have to navigate to your mods folder and delete the old version before extracting the new one.
This update brings compatibility with CCL 0.12.2, so download it if you haven't already. Besides various fixes it also brings a completely overhauled armor system (see below for a breakdown) and a general injury rebalance. In general, wounds will be more painful so pawns will get knocked out quicker as they take damage. As usual, consider these changes highly experimental and subject to (a lot of) change. Feedback regarding bugs and balance is highly appreciated as I have little time to playtest myself these days.
The new armor system introduces armor penetration to attacks as a counter stat to armor. Instead of the old arcane rules projectile deflection chance is now based on the difference between penetration and armor. Depending on just how big this difference is a shot might be completely ineffective so don't expect a pistol to do much against a Centipede. Layered Devilstrand or Hyperweave might be effective at stopping pistol shots, but against sniper rifles you will barely see any effect at all. However, stacked armor does have an effect as each layer passed reduces a bullet's penetrative capabilities and makes it more likely to be absorbed by subsequent layers.
If a shot is deflected it doesn't vanish into the aether but will most likely cause bruising depending on just how big the difference between penetration and armor was. If the shot penetrates damage is reduced also according to the difference between penetration and armor. The armor itself will take damage in accordance with how much damage was absorbed: for bullets and sharp weapons high penetration means
less damage to the armor as less energy is transfered to it. Blunt weapons do bonus damage to armor but only if it actually deflects the damage, so a T-shirt won't take much damage from a mace, but it won't block much either.
Due to technical limitations it is not possible to display the armor penetration stat in a tooltip. If you guys want to know the numbers, leave a post and I'll see about putting up a table or something. For now the basic breakdown is melee weapons < pistols < old rifles (survival rifle, etc.) < modern rifles (assault rifle, etc.) < sniper rifles/machine guns < futuristic rifles (charge rifle, etc.) < Mechanoid weapons.
Quote from: Jan2607 on September 14, 2015, 03:16:05 PM
It works fine with CCL 0.12.1.
Did you change the accuracy?
I played with CR mod in Alpha 10 and I remember, that I had a high accuracy there. Every shot hit the pawn or next to the pawn. But now the shots mostly hit the dirt meters behind the enemy pawns (I've never seen that a shot was too short, they always hit behind the pawn).
But still nice work :)
That was an artifact of the old aiming system. Under vanilla, a shot would randomly roll to see if it hits or misses and in case of a miss it would land somewhere in a 0.6x0.6 square. That's why gunfire looked accurate to you, because missing by more than 0.6 cells was literally impossible if a gun didn't have a forcedMissRadius. The new system allows for much higher deviations depending on distance and accuracy of the shooter.
When I load my colony, I get a debug log (screenshot attached). Can someone explain to me, what this means and which mod this causes?
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UpdateLatta updated the Korean translation and translated the Defence Pack as well, so if you are using it grab the new download. If not, feel free to ignore it as nothing else changed.
Quote from: Jan2607 on September 14, 2015, 05:08:04 PM
When I load my colony, I get a debug log (screenshot attached). Can someone explain to me, what this means and which mod this causes?
Easiest way to find out which mod causes the conflict is to turn them on one by one and see which one causes the problem.
Quote from: Jan2607 on September 14, 2015, 05:08:04 PM
When I load my colony, I get a debug log (screenshot attached). Can someone explain to me, what this means and which mod this causes?
That's a problem in your save file. Open it, find researchManager, and you will see duplicated researches in there. Like, start with GeothermalPower, and in the very center, GeothermalPower again. Delete bottom half, go to <value> section, delete bottom half. Save.
Remember that amount of two "bottom half"s must be same.
Quote from: Latta on September 15, 2015, 11:33:31 AM
That's a problem in your save file. Open it, find researchManager, and you will see duplicated researches in there. Like, start with GeothermalPower, and in the very center, GeothermalPower again. Delete bottom half, go to <value> section, delete bottom half. Save.
Remember that amount of two "bottom half"s must be same.
Thanks for your answer. How do I open the save file? It's a .rws file and when I want to open it, it says cannot open.
With your favorite or preferred text editor. Wordpad(if you are using Windows...), Atom or any other out there.
And please save a copy of your file.
Hi NIA - are mechs intended to be game enders? I'm finding that no matter how much I save scum, its essentially impossible to stop a pack of centipedes. I have 5 colonists armed with EMP and regular grenades. No matter how many times I try, by the time the EMP wears off only 1 or 2 of 5 centipedes is down, and the others then simply destroy my colonists in the first volley.
Related to this - I think the market value of guns needs to be adjusted to reflect their lethality. For example, pulse rifles show up quite early for how incredibly lethal they are against pawns compared to many other weapons. I think increasing the market value of high rate of fire, high range, high damage weapons would delay/reduce their occurrence in raids, if I understand the raid value mechanic correctly. This may also be a solution to 5 centipedes effectively ending my colony in the first winter - a harrowing battle against 1-2 would be a more balanced challenge under their current lethality - I'd still probably have at least a maimed colonist or two out of it!
Quote from: akiceabear on September 16, 2015, 07:56:40 AM
Hi NIA - are mechs intended to be game enders? I'm finding that no matter how much I save scum, its essentially impossible to stop a pack of centipedes. I have 5 colonists armed with EMP and regular grenades. No matter how many times I try, by the time the EMP wears off only 1 or 2 of 5 centipedes is down, and the others then simply destroy my colonists in the first volley.
They're intended to be challenging but not game-enders. This is where the whole "no time to playtest" thing comes in and why it is important for users to leave feedback. Just did a test fight with 2 AR's, sniper, survival rifle vs one Centipede with Inferno cannon and yeah, they definitely seem to be very powerful with the new armor system. Looking at the raid values right now a Centipede is worth 290 points. For reference, a Scyther is worth 160, a melee pirate with shield is 150. Testing also showed they have gained a rather uncanny ability to spontaneously switch targets should the original target have ducked behind cover.
My personal take on Centipedes was always that they should be something like an IFV, i.e. an opponent with heavy armor and firepower which requires dedicated anti-vehicle weaponry to defeat. The problem right now is vanilla doesn't really offer much in the way of anti-vehicle weaponry. In another test fight I was using 2 AR's to draw fire while a third colonist was firing one of the anti-materiel rifles from Rimfire and the fight went much better. LMG's seem to do a decent number on them as well. I'll probably end up doubling the point cost of a Centipede and look into including some dedicated anti-vehicle weapons in the main mod. Further down the line I'd also like to include a lean-toggle button which lets colonists dodge incoming fire by ducking back behind a wall.
The pricing of guns is a good point as well. The market values are still balanced the way they were in previous Alphas but the recent mechanical additions have shaken up the usefulness of certain weapons so there will have to be some major rebalancing in that area. This applies to Centipede weapons which went from being unable to hit the broad side of a barn to deadly accuracy as well as certain other weapons. All in all as the mod nears feature-completion the old balance becomes increasingly obsolete and all the more important it is to identify these problem areas as they crop up.
If I want to make an recipe for the M2 turret to craft at the mechanics workbench (like the improvised turrets), what would I have to add?
I'm not in credits? :P After all that information i gave you the other day lol
UpdateRebalanced the Centipedes by increasing their points cost by 150%. So now you should see only 1-2 where there were 4-5 before.
Quote from: Jan2607 on September 16, 2015, 02:44:49 PM
If I want to make an recipe for the M2 turret to craft at the mechanics workbench (like the improvised turrets), what would I have to add?
A recipeDef like the turret has.
Quote from: DaemonDeathAngel on September 16, 2015, 10:57:12 PM
I'm not in credits? :P After all that information i gave you the other day lol
"DaemonDeathAngel - consultant on the topic of pain caused by bullet wounds and knife attacks." Your input was very valuable ;)
Consider also reducing the selection weight in the mechanoid's faction def. In vanilla, centipedes and scythers share the same selection weight (100). The combat power change will probably just reduce the size of mechanoid raids.
The link for "Combat Realism for Project Armory" seems to lead to a 404 page
Quote from: Commander Beanbag on September 17, 2015, 10:49:08 AM
Consider also reducing the selection weight in the mechanoid's faction def. In vanilla, centipedes and scythers share the same selection weight (100). The combat power change will probably just reduce the size of mechanoid raids.
Good point, I'll have a look at it.
Quote from: TheRedOne on September 17, 2015, 12:03:55 PM
The link for "Combat Realism for Project Armory" seems to lead to a 404 page
Its not updated to A12 since Project Armory isn't updated either. I'll put up a disclaimer.
Just wanted to say I love your mod and I really appreciate all your hard work. I had a centipede and a scyther drop in on my colony randomly and the results were devastating! but it was fun. I ended up having to use a shotgun right up close on the centipede to take it down but at that point I had already lost too many people to continue. But it was a great way to go out.
I used the latest version of CR and the version of the community library that people said is compatible, but I get this massive list of red and yellow errors that basically say everything in the mod contains a null value. This happens even if I remove every mod and install only the combat realism, with or without the community library.
I'm at something of a loss. I don't want to have a sniper rifle that plucks limbs like flower petals or magical bows and arrows that can punch through power armor, but I also need a playable game.
Quote from: Didact04 on September 17, 2015, 03:03:48 PM
I used the latest version of CR and the version of the community library that people said is compatible, but I get this massive list of red and yellow errors that basically say everything in the mod contains a null value. This happens even if I remove every mod and install only the combat realism, with or without the community library.
I'm at something of a loss. I don't want to have a sniper rifle that plucks limbs like flower petals or magical bows and arrows that can punch through power armor, but I also need a playable game.
Just which version of CCL do you have? You should be using the latest version, the issues people mentioned regarding CCL 0.12.2 have been resolved.
I feel special now :P
Did you start a new world/game after installing?
I recently got attacked by a pack of manhunter wargs and it was... disappointingly easy.
I think wargs should be sturdier.
I mean, a rhino can take multiple shots from a rifle, a thrumbo can take more than I can count and still be going strong, but a warg, which is said to have been created for 'population suppression' is killed in less than 3? I dunno...
I think its reasonable - think about wolves versus rhinos. Wolves can definitely control a unarmed populations' growth, but not take shots the way a rhino can.
Idea? Maybe like having raiders trying to rescue their men / women whilst fleeing? Rather than just ditching them? Sorta more realistic in my opinion. Or try to haul their dead friends maybe, cos I mean, if you and your best friend were shooting some other guys, and your friends gets shot dead, I am pretty sure you would try your best to haul your friend back with you to bury them? I know it is kinda unfriendly to game play, but maybe with reworked raider AI they can make decisions on whether they cant rescue their friends and have to leave them?
Quote from: akiceabear on September 18, 2015, 11:19:11 AM
I think its reasonable - think about wolves versus rhinos. Wolves can definitely control a unarmed populations' growth, but not take shots the way a rhino can.
True, but wargs are genetically modified super wolves, shouldn't they be tougher than the average rabbit?
And besides, there isn't a single unarmed population in rimworld. Shouldn't the wargs have been made to control a armed population's growth? I mean, if they're unarmed, why bother making genetically modified animals to do it?
The truth about wargs is, I haven't touched animals due to concerns about compatibility with other mods. The topic has already come up when we were working on the new aiming system and debating changing animal body sizes. As it is they're kind of all over the place, same for animal health, natural armor, etc. Maybe at some point in the future there will be some kind of "Animal Realism" sister mod to this one and it'll adjust all the animal health, body size, armor, etc. to more reasonable values but so far priorities are elsewhere.
Oh, I see.
On another note, I bought a LMD(LMG? Forgot what it's called) and it seems pretty powerful. 100 bullet magazine, 30 shot burst, and pretty fast too. On the downside, it's a lot harder to get healthy prisoners now.
I think I like the new aiming system a lot more than the old one. After I saw a arrow fly past a embrasure and hit the wall behind it, I took a close look at the bullets during a battle. Having the bullets fly by the pawns and hit stuff behind them looks a lot cooler then every bullet hitting the floor around the pawn.
Also, I realized that I need to plan my base better. I really don't need a bullet to miss my colonist and blow up the solar panels.
This mod looks amazing, a shame I can't play it as it's incompatible with the ultimate overhaul modpack.
Do you intend to make it compatible?
It's not supposed to be compatible because Ninefinger doesn't have permission to use it along with a donation button.
Quote from: Alistaire on September 20, 2015, 03:20:54 AM
It's not supposed to be compatible because Ninefinger doesn't have permission to use it along with a donation button.
Learn to read.
Im talking about compatibility, not inclusion in the modpack.
And to make a mod like this only to have it played by very few people simply because it's incompatible with the most popular modpack seems kinda silly.
Quote from: Pirate on September 20, 2015, 03:55:08 AM
Quote from: Alistaire on September 20, 2015, 03:20:54 AM
It's not supposed to be compatible because Ninefinger doesn't have permission to use it along with a donation button.
Learn to read.
Im talking about compatibility, not inclusion in the modpack.
And to make a mod like this only to have it played by very few people simply because it's incompatible with the most popular modpack seems kinda silly.
Why would NIA make a compatibility patch for a modpack the mod shouldn't be in in the first place. The mod edits several core game defs
and includes an entirely new Projectile class which makes it incompatible with many mods which edit or check for those. Compatibility is not
the aim of CombatRealism, and compatibility with Ultimate Overhaul is even less of a concern since Ninefinger shouldn't use it anyways.
I personally don't care how many people play my mods or mods I worked on, it's not like it ultimately matters and there's really no use to
you as a mod creator to include your mod in Ultimate Overhaul - since nobody feels inclined to comment on the mod itself (but rather on the
modpack as a whole) you don't get anything useful out of it.
Quote from: Alistaire on September 20, 2015, 04:22:40 AM
I personally don't care how many people play my mods or mods I worked on, it's not like it ultimately matters and there's really no use to
you as a mod creator to include your mod in Ultimate Overhaul - since nobody feels inclined to comment on the mod itself (but rather on the modpack as a whole) you don't get anything useful out of it.
I think you're wrong with this one. I have played both hardcore and U.Ovh. modpacks and thanks to them I got to know many mods. The feedback about changes/bugs I directed directly to the mod creators of the content I liked. Also I've learned about many mods existing mostly thanks to the modpack(s) and its credits list.
In my opinion instead banishing NineFinger (which does lots of work to update other mods everytime new alpha is released) for getting donate button of his own, get donating option yourself! I'd be glad to give you a little something for these awesome mods like combat realism :) I have nothing against modders getting donations for the work they have done. I guess what you have the biggest problem with is the fact that Ninefinger gets such popularity and recognition for mostly aggregating other people's work.
Also maybe you could agree to support compatibility for share of the donations?
Quote from: Pirate on September 19, 2015, 08:11:39 PM
This mod looks amazing, a shame I can't play it as it's incompatible with the ultimate overhaul modpack.
Do you intend to make it compatible?
While I am not against making compatibility patches with individual mods I do not have the time/inclination to maintain a patch for any modpacks. I have talked to Ninefinger in the past about him creating a patch under conditions that don't involve him monetizing my work (other people making money off of something I released for free just really rubs me the wrong way) but he said he was not interested due to his own time constraints, which is fair enough really. Maybe things will change once Project Armory has a proper update and I release my own PA patch and/or Ninefinger takes down his donation link but so far neither of us is willing to invest the time and effort required to maintain such a patch and I doubt anyone else would be given the time and effort required.
Quote from: zenfur on September 20, 2015, 05:24:08 AM
In my opinion instead banishing NineFinger (which does lots of work to update other mods everytime new alpha is released) for getting donate button of his own, get donating option yourself! I'd be glad to give you a little something for these awesome mods like combat realism :) I have nothing against modders getting donations for the work they have done. I guess what you have the biggest problem with is the fact that Ninefinger gets such popularity and recognition for mostly aggregating other people's work.
Also maybe you could agree to support compatibility for share of the donations?
While I can't speak for Alistaire, for me this has never been about money. I made this mod because I like playing with it myself and I released it because I thought other people might enjoy it as well. I do not want any money nor do I think monetizing mods in any way, shape or form is a good idea (if you want to know my reasons in detail, I talked about it at length in this thread (https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=12640.0)). As such I certainly do not want to start bickering with Ninefinger over a share of whatever donations he gets, nor do I want a donation link of my own.
I intensely dislike the idea of someone else monetizing work I have released for free and that is the reason why I have originally asked Ninefinger to take down his CR patch, however it is not a blanket ban of him doing so in the way a certain other modder has done. Should Nine end up releasing a CR patch under conditions that don't involve monetizing it I would have no problems with it just as I never had any issues with it before this whole donation affair started.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on September 20, 2015, 05:38:18 AM
While I am not against making compatibility patches with individual mods I do not have the time/inclination to maintain a patch for any modpacks...
Sad to see the root of all evil doing it's thing once again. Thanks for answering though.
Don't think people realize just how many mods are in those compilations. Asking someone to maintain and make compat. their mod for something like UOM for instance is essentially asking for compatibility with 100+ other mods. Just to put things in perspective for some folks.
So yea, can't blame anyone for not wanting to bother, much less maintain compat. with that many other mods on top of new alpha's resetting the whole process.
Just a heads up, here's a preview of the next feature I've been working on recently (ignore the numbers, those are just there for debugging purposes):
(http://i.imgur.com/pw5u95z.png)
If you ignore the numbers, there's not much to be seen :P
Quote from: Fluffy (l2032) on September 21, 2015, 05:48:42 PM
If you ignore the numbers, there's not much to be seen :P
Well, the idea is in the release version it'll just say "Suppressed" without the numbers. Those are just there to make it easier to see how much suppression is being dished out.
Reminds me to Warhammer4k Dawn of War 2 suppresion.
O CoooL suppression system was something I've been looking for! Does it just lower aiming speed, or give also boost to hmm "defence" because suppressed pawn will hunker down?
I am using Apparello with combat realism, works fine no errors, but some clothing in Apparello give off a tiny armor buff, now this means any pawn with some clothes from Apparello with that tiny armor buff, always get bruised and seem to never get shot? not sure if this is intended to always bruise when being shot at but yeah, not sure if a patch could be made or change it so low armored clothing means it has a low percent chance to bruise and normally will hit the pawn and cause bleeding.
Quote from: Grogfeld on September 22, 2015, 03:56:16 AM
O CoooL suppression system was something I've been looking for! Does it just lower aiming speed, or give also boost to hmm "defence" because suppressed pawn will hunker down?
Right now pawns will dash for cover, then hunker down and not return fire at all. Assuming they have hard cover nearby hunkering will make them impossible to hit for the suppressor but it also means they're stuck and unable to return fire, so any other pawns are free to move about and flank the suppressed pawn. The amount of incoming fire a pawn can tolerate before being suppressed depends on his current mood and mental break threshold, so pawns with good morale will be harder to suppress. Also armor worn, maximum damage and armor penetration of a bullet are all factored in as well.
Quote from: LustrousWolf on September 22, 2015, 11:18:25 AM
I am using Apparello with combat realism, works find no errors, but some clothing in Apparello give off a tiny armor buff, now this means any pawn with some clothes from Apparello with that tiny armor buff, always get bruised and seem to never get shot? not sure if this is intended to always bruise when being shot at but yeah, not sure if a patch could be made or change it so low armored clothing means it has a low percent chance to bruise and normally will hit the pawn and cause bleeding.
Not sure what your problem seems to be but any apparel from other mods should be compatible with the new armor system out of the box. If a bullet is deflected because it cannot penetrate the target's armor it is supposed to cause bruising instead so unless you're getting sniper rifle shots deflected by a pair of fancy pants or something it would be working as intended.
How would one go about removing CR from their game and keeping an existing save non-corrupt? I tried it out for a bit and decided it's just not my thing, but the colony is actually doing pretty well compared to my others so I'd like to keep it. I get SquadBrain errors when unticking it from the Mods menu.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on September 22, 2015, 03:02:22 PM
Quote from: Grogfeld on September 22, 2015, 03:56:16 AM
O CoooL suppression system was something I've been looking for! Does it just lower aiming speed, or give also boost to hmm "defence" because suppressed pawn will hunker down?
Right now pawns will dash for cover, then hunker down and not return fire at all. Assuming they have hard cover nearby hunkering will make them impossible to hit for the suppressor but it also means they're stuck and unable to return fire, so any other pawns are free to move about and flank the suppressed pawn. The amount of incoming fire a pawn can tolerate before being suppressed depends on his current mood and mental break threshold, so pawns with good morale will be harder to suppress. Also armor worn, maximum damage and armor penetration of a bullet are all factored in as well.
What about explosives such as grenades, inferno cannons, and mortar shells?
What I am saying is, it is only a tiny buff, so if a pawn is wearing a top from Apparello, and gets shot by a shotgun, it causes bruises or very minor bleeding injuries, but if the pawn is wearing an armor plate, and gets shot by a shotgun, it causes bruising and no bleeding injuries, should it not be that if its a tiny buff it would still cause bleeding, and then wearing the armored plate causes bruising?
Not sure what your problem seems to be but any apparel from other mods should be compatible with the new armor system out of the box. If a bullet is deflected because it cannot penetrate the target's armor it is supposed to cause bruising instead so unless you're getting sniper rifle shots deflected by a pair of fancy pants or something it would be working as intended.
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Quote from: Pirate on September 20, 2015, 03:55:08 AM
Quote from: Alistaire on September 20, 2015, 03:20:54 AM
It's not supposed to be compatible because Ninefinger doesn't have permission to use it along with a donation button.
Im talking about compatibility, not inclusion in the modpack.
And to make a mod like this only to have it played by very few people simply because it's incompatible with the most popular modpack seems kinda silly.
Quote from: Pirate on September 20, 2015, 01:56:47 PM
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on September 20, 2015, 05:38:18 AM
While I am not against making compatibility patches with individual mods I do not have the time/inclination to maintain a patch for any modpacks...
Sad to see the root of all evil doing it's thing once again. Thanks for answering though.
Such a shame.. I wouldn't mind using this too but since its not allowed to be used with the UO mod pack, which is the only reason I really play rimworld atm, then I guess I never will be able to. All because of a donation link which is clearly not asking for money for the work you do, but donating for the effort that nine goes into to helping us non-techy folks out to make all these super cool mods work together and offer some balance too.
I doubt many even bother or take a second look at the donate option for that matter, as is always the case with such things... it's not like the pack is behind a paywall.
Nevermind.. Just a shame is all.
Quote from: FX2K on September 23, 2015, 12:14:36 PM
All because of a donation link which is clearly not asking for money for the work you do
Uh-huh, you're not exactly donating rainbows and kisses, are you? The only reason to put up a paypal donation link is to make money, even Ninefinger himself was always clear about the purpose of it. Nevermind the fact that the lack of a patch is more down to the amount of effort required to maintain it and nobody, including Nine, being willing to invest that time.
Contrary to popular belief including options for stuff involves more than just snapping your fingers and have checkboxes automagically appear. It is a lot of work because more often than not it means twice the effort has to go into maintaining both versions. So if that means two mods are incompatible and people can't have both running together it may be unfortunate for the users but is ultimately a simple fact of life. Saying it is all because of some donation link is just plain silly.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on September 23, 2015, 01:18:52 PM
Quote from: FX2K on September 23, 2015, 12:14:36 PM
All because of a donation link which is clearly not asking for money for the work you do
Uh-huh, you're not exactly donating rainbows and kisses, are you? The only reason to put up a paypal donation link is to make money, even Ninefinger himself was always clear about the purpose of it. Nevermind the fact that the lack of a patch is more down to the amount of effort required to maintain it and nobody, including Nine, being willing to invest that time.
Of course it's to make money.. I meant that the link is in no way asking for money based on the work you have done for your mod... it's asking for money for the work he does allowing people like me to use it alongside heaps of other mods alongside the balance alterations and whatever else to make an awesome game experience... the final part of the puzzle for all the great mods out there, IMO.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on September 23, 2015, 01:18:52 PM
Contrary to popular belief including options for stuff involves more than just snapping your fingers and have checkboxes automagically appear. It is a lot of work because more often than not it means twice the effort has to go into maintaining both versions. So if that means two mods are incompatible and people can't have both running together it may be unfortunate for the users but is ultimately a simple fact of life. Saying it is all because of some donation link is just plain silly.
Obviously a lot of work goes into it and obviously I can't speak for NF here, but it was part of the pack previously, meaning he obviously had done it before, so even if he wanted to do that as you put it "lot of work" he can't, because of a donation link.
Anyway, its your mod, it's entirely up to you.. I'm just saying it's a shame is all.
It looks like a decent mod, but guess I will never get to see, such is life.. I agree.
If you want to create two instances of RimWorld, one to run a particular modpack, and one to run your own hand-picked set of mods, then you can. The command-line options to do that have been kicking around for a couple of alphas now.
Quote from: RimWorld readme fileOVERRIDING:
You can override the save data folder. This is useful, for example, if you want to install the game on a USB stick so you can plug and play it from anywhere.
To do this, add this to the end of the command line used to launch the game:
-savedatafolder C:/Path/To/The/Folder
So it'll look something like this:
C:/RimWorld/RimWorld.exe -savedatafolder C:/Path/To/The/Folder
If you don't start the path with anything, it'll be relative to the game's root folder. So you could do this, to have the game save data in a folder called SaveData in its own root folder:
-savedatafolder SaveData
Be sure the game is running with permission to modify the folder. It may not work properly if, for example, you run the game under default permissions on its own install folder.
To be clear, this means that you can have a folder called, for example, 'G:\RimAltSaveFolder' as the target, and RimWorld will create an entirely new Config, Saves and Worlds folders inside of that. If your RimWorld shortcut has -saveddatafolder G:\RimAltSaveFolder as a command-line option, it will launch
that config and save folder. Since you can also just make another installation of RimWorld on your computer, you can switch between mod configs pretty damn easily.
Don't harass mod creators to make a compatibility patch or to let others do it.
Is there a way to disable reloading? I'm not really fond of the feature to begin with and it seems to break for some guns, leaving the colonist stuck in a daze about the concept of reloading, which makes it impossible for me to move them at all afterwards.
Love this mod, so much fun. So happy to see it for alpha 12 now!
Thank you!
UpdateThis is a fairly big update so let me just quote the changelog:
Additions- Added suppression mechanic
- Added crafting recipees for armor vests and military helmets
- Stuffified armor vest, it now comes in steel and plasteel varieties
- Added new machine gunner type to pirate raiders which uses LMG
Balancing- Made reloading more forceful so should be interrupted less often
- Removed reload times from neolithic weapons, increased refire rate as a result
- Significantly increased conciousness penalties from blood loss
- Increased the amount of vertical variation in gun aiming, cover should be much more useful now
- Decreased fragment armor penetration
- Rebalanced melee weapon armor penetration, different weapons now have different penetration levels, e.g. shiv penetrates less than longsword
- Buffed power armor, military helmet, armor vest base deflection
- Doubled move speed penalties of military helmet and armor vest
- Added stat modifier to plasteel, it now improves sharp armor by 25%
- Increased elite pirate combat power, rebalanced pirate type selection to use less elites, more gunners
- Increased pirate gunner combat power and available weapon money, now you might actually see one of those fabled assault rifles
Fixes- Fixed incendiary and EMP mortar not working
- Fixed issue with elite pirates spawning unarmed
- Fixed an exploit where standing one tile away from cover would make enemies aim too low
I also updated the feature list with a short explanation of how the suppression mechanic works so check it out.
Quote from: Goldenpotatoes on September 25, 2015, 08:25:58 AM
Is there a way to disable reloading? I'm not really fond of the feature to begin with and it seems to break for some guns, leaving the colonist stuck in a daze about the concept of reloading, which makes it impossible for me to move them at all afterwards.
You'd have to change the XML entries for all the guns to use Verb_ShootCR/Verb_ShootCRShotgun instead of Verb_ShootCRReload/Verb_ShootCRShotgunReload
Having a hard time versus mechs still. Now that every bullet is life-threatening, miniguns are looking absolutely terrifying and scythers hit like a truck. Every other bullet is either a kill or an incap and I'm at something of a loss. What are some of the strategies people use when dealing with mechs? If I don't have overwhelming force and the time to build a fort around the ship I have a problem, and even then scythers never miss.
I leave ships alone until I can buy AGS turrets or mortars. Agreed they are pretty much impossible with pawns alone. I think balancing their value makes more sense now, rather than nerfing their abilities - NIAs last centipede adjustment helped a lot but also kept mechanism terrifying.
Quote from: Didact04 on September 27, 2015, 06:50:36 AM
Having a hard time versus mechs still. Now that every bullet is life-threatening, miniguns are looking absolutely terrifying and scythers hit like a truck. Every other bullet is either a kill or an incap and I'm at something of a loss. What are some of the strategies people use when dealing with mechs? If I don't have overwhelming force and the time to build a fort around the ship I have a problem, and even then scythers never miss.
My usual tactic is to use EMP mortars/grenades to stun them, then lob as much firepower as I can before they can adapt to it. Scythers can be nasty with their guns but they also go down relatively quickly. For Centipedes you need to make sure your guns can get through the armor, pistols and SMG's will just bounce off of them.
On that note, I wonder if people would be interested in a sort-of "how to" guide? Basically I was thinking of taking screenshots of various tactical situations during my next colony and post them as after-action reports. While I don't claim to be the best player out there I imagine some people who have trouble might benefit from a few examples on how to do things.
I recently got to experience a 60+ tribal raid that probably would of killed my colony off immediately on a vanilla run.
There's some extreme satisfaction of watching your 6-7 colonists with a mix of machine pistols and rifles just mowing down the primitive tribal members that keep rushing you. Even more-so when the back-end that wasn't immediately killed ends up hauling ass for the nearest rock rubble and hunkering down completely.
This mod manages to really fix the underlying issue with this game's combat mechanics, which is usually how weak most weapons are. If it wasn't for this mod odds are that raid would of just been the first 5-7 tribals in front soaking up several shots and still managing to rush forward for a hit.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on September 27, 2015, 09:03:34 AM-Snippets from NoImageAvailable-
I'd like this as i'm curious as to how you and other people make bases. That and i'm a newb when it comes to strategic placement with this mod...
Would it be possible to have the bullet's height effect what body part it lands on?
I've armed my colonists best I can, and put them behind embrasures, just to have them somehow take a bullet to the leg and get incapacitated in a single shot. Seeing how armor for the legs is pretty hard to get, it would be nice if being behind cover could prevent certain parts from being hit.
I'd welcome a strategy guide for CR!
Quote from: AllenWL on September 28, 2015, 01:39:57 AM
Would it be possible to have the bullet's height effect what body part it lands on?
I've armed my colonists best I can, and put them behind embrasures, just to have them somehow take a bullet to the leg and get incapacitated in a single shot. Seeing how armor for the legs is pretty hard to get, it would be nice if being behind cover could prevent certain parts from being hit.
Unfortunately no, the body part system has no concept of body part location beyond "part x is attached to/inside of part y" and whenever a bullet hits a target it just does a random roll to see what part was damaged. Changing it would require a complete rework of the way bodies are defined.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on September 28, 2015, 09:42:21 AM
Quote from: AllenWL on September 28, 2015, 01:39:57 AM
Would it be possible to have the bullet's height effect what body part it lands on?
I've armed my colonists best I can, and put them behind embrasures, just to have them somehow take a bullet to the leg and get incapacitated in a single shot. Seeing how armor for the legs is pretty hard to get, it would be nice if being behind cover could prevent certain parts from being hit.
Unfortunately no, the body part system has no concept of body part location beyond "part x is attached to/inside of part y" and whenever a bullet hits a target it just does a random roll to see what part was damaged. Changing it would require a complete rework of the way bodies are defined.
How about it then, seems like a good next followup realism project ;)
How about a skill that gets trained called "Combat Experience" when you're under fire. Higher combat experience would grant increased effective cover bonus and reduced effects of suppression. Also, it would be pretty nice if you could force hunker your own pawns while drafted.
Could also add training to animals to help them resist suppression or be given commands to take cover. "Down!" would be a thing you could teach them to grant them a dodge bonus to ranged attacks and explosive fragments (if possible) and the ability to order them to hunker down directly. "Play Dead" would let a suppressed animal pretend to be dead if unable to reach cover, removing their direct aggression (until suppression ends) and removing enemy aggro.
I'm not entirely familiar with how the game is coded but regarding the idea of leg cover for sandbags, would it be possible to just add a list of "lower body" parts that would simply negate an attack and add the check somewhere that negates the attack when any pawn is struck in any part on this list while behind cover and not prone/hunkered? It's a little hacky but it could be possible.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on September 28, 2015, 09:42:21 AM
Quote from: AllenWL on September 28, 2015, 01:39:57 AM
Would it be possible to have the bullet's height effect what body part it lands on?
I've armed my colonists best I can, and put them behind embrasures, just to have them somehow take a bullet to the leg and get incapacitated in a single shot. Seeing how armor for the legs is pretty hard to get, it would be nice if being behind cover could prevent certain parts from being hit.
Unfortunately no, the body part system has no concept of body part location beyond "part x is attached to/inside of part y" and whenever a bullet hits a target it just does a random roll to see what part was damaged. Changing it would require a complete rework of the way bodies are defined.
Well, I would also be equally happy with a leg armor of sorts. The only one I know of is the power armor, and that's pretty expensive.
Scythers continue to terrify me. Firefights in particular seem especially dangerous against a Scyther kill squad that will sometimes zerg my defenses, considering they only need one shot to possibly kill. I might not even have armor by the time these guys show up on Randy Random, and the one time they used my own embrasures against me really startled me. They got to the fortifications before I did and suddenly the place wasn't so secure. People got picked off cleanly as they scrambled for cover, and there was no good place to engage from, because the area had been a marsh and was totally open.
Strats for large groups of zerging mechs? If I can't dump 10 automatic weapons on them it becomes a trade, and I don't like trades. Trades are how you lose colonies.
Melee fighters with shields seem to be not bad, because their sniper shots hardly penetrate/bring down shields.
Another thing is to not have them their advantage on range. Their weapons are good on range, so try to avoid fighting them at long range. Shotguns at corners where when they see your dudes, it's too late for them.
Can you add this to old saves? Or does it require a new colony?
Quote from: TheRedOne on September 29, 2015, 06:04:20 AM
Melee fighters with shields seem to be not bad, because their sniper shots hardly penetrate/bring down shields.
Another thing is to not have them their advantage on range. Their weapons are good on range, so try to avoid fighting them at long range. Shotguns at corners where when they see your dudes, it's too late for them.
Meleeing something bristling with odd and lethal blades has never seemed like a good idea to me, shields or no. The armor does make melee combat a lot more feasible, but melee injuries are painful and saving someone at the feet of a scyther that just leveled its gun back at you is not a feasible 'oh shit' tactic.
I am surprised I didn't think of the range thing before honestly. Kind of a derp moment. Can you check the information on an enemy's held weapon or is that not possible?
Shrapnel should do no damage to anyone wearing power armor, its like if someone tosses a knife at you, if you're armored no damage from the metal. IRL Body armor is good nough for shrap. Unless you hit from an exposed part.
Any chanceto make this compatible with "miscellaneous w MAI"? I can't mount the weapons on the automatic turret bases.
Quote from: Lupin III on September 29, 2015, 08:36:13 PM
Any chanceto make this compatible with "miscellaneous w MAI"? I can't mount the weapons on the automatic turret bases.
Never heard of any compatibility problems with that mod, what exactly isn't working?
Quote from: BetaSpectre on September 29, 2015, 05:51:24 PM
Shrapnel should do no damage to anyone wearing power armor, its like if someone tosses a knife at you, if you're armored no damage from the metal. IRL Body armor is good nough for shrap. Unless you hit from an exposed part.
Shell fragments are currently set to the same penetration as the survival rifle. Any armor with at least 55% sharp resistance should be impenetrable. It would still cause blunt trauma but it shouldn't cause any bleeding wounds except to exposed body parts.
Quote from: Didact04 on September 29, 2015, 05:36:36 PM
I am surprised I didn't think of the range thing before honestly. Kind of a derp moment. Can you check the information on an enemy's held weapon or is that not possible?
You can check on raiders but not Mechanoids because their guns are menu-hidden.
Quote from: Herc18 on September 29, 2015, 03:03:58 PM
Can you add this to old saves? Or does it require a new colony?
Last time I tested it required a new game, but that was several alphas ago.
Quote from: AllenWL on September 29, 2015, 12:22:28 AM
Well, I would also be equally happy with a leg armor of sorts. The only one I know of is the power armor, and that's pretty expensive.
Apparel is somewhat beyond the scope of this mod but if you really want leg armor you can try Apparello, it is compatible with A12 and CR and offers armor for feet and legs.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on September 30, 2015, 07:32:30 PM
Quote from: Lupin III on September 29, 2015, 08:36:13 PM
Any chanceto make this compatible with "miscellaneous w MAI"? I can't mount the weapons on the automatic turret bases.
Never heard of any compatibility problems with that mod, what exactly isn't working?
Hmm, when I try to mount a weapon on a turret all options (like mount LMG/assault rifle/sniper rifle) are grayed out except for "EMP-Grenades". I have the weapons to be mounted, tried moving them to other stockpiles, to equipment racks or dropping them on the floor. Still EMP-Grenades are the only option I can select. I don't have any other mod that changes weapons or adds turrets besides combat realism (+defense) and miscellaneous w MAI.
Quote from: Lupin III on October 01, 2015, 03:54:17 PM
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on September 30, 2015, 07:32:30 PM
Quote from: Lupin III on September 29, 2015, 08:36:13 PM
Any chanceto make this compatible with "miscellaneous w MAI"? I can't mount the weapons on the automatic turret bases.
Never heard of any compatibility problems with that mod, what exactly isn't working?
Hmm, when I try to mount a weapon on a turret all options (like mount LMG/assault rifle/sniper rifle) are grayed out except for "EMP-Grenades". I have the weapons to be mounted, tried moving them to other stockpiles, to equipment racks or dropping them on the floor. Still EMP-Grenades are the only option I can select. I don't have any other mod that changes weapons or adds turrets besides combat realism (+defense) and miscellaneous w MAI.
Do molotovs appear as mountable? I have a suspicion what might be causing this and I'll talk to Haplo to see if we can find the source of this.
I'm curious, What are the other plans for this mod? Besides bug fixing what ever people find? I suppose I should also thank you for birthing such a beautiful mod.... So Thank you.
Quote from: Mr.Cross on October 02, 2015, 09:02:08 AM
I'm curious, What are the other plans for this mod? Besides bug fixing what ever people find? I suppose I should also thank you for birthing such a beautiful mod.... So Thank you.
Right now the only real plans are for proper trenches, a manual hunker down command and a complete overhaul of raider AI to make it much more intelligent. That last one in particular is likely going to take a decent bit of time, though once done I'd go so far as to call this mod feature-complete. Other things that may or may not make it in are turret reloading, reloads consuming ammo and changing grenades into consumable items you carry in your inventory along with your primary weapon.
Oooo, sounds beautiful. I fear that the consumable ammo might not be for me so if it does make it to a final release could I ask for a optional sorta thing, or an least instructions on how to do it. (and I do know that i'm talking weeks maybe even months.) But man those more difficult AI would be amazing!
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on October 01, 2015, 04:41:26 PM
Quote from: Lupin III on October 01, 2015, 03:54:17 PM
Hmm, when I try to mount a weapon on a turret all options (like mount LMG/assault rifle/sniper rifle) are grayed out except for "EMP-Grenades". I have the weapons to be mounted, tried moving them to other stockpiles, to equipment racks or dropping them on the floor. Still EMP-Grenades are the only option I can select. I don't have any other mod that changes weapons or adds turrets besides combat realism (+defense) and miscellaneous w MAI.
Do molotovs appear as mountable? I have a suspicion what might be causing this and I'll talk to Haplo to see if we can find the source of this.
Yes, they do appear. I have also installed the newest version of MAI (1.12.6) and it still happens. I now doubt it is related to your mod. It looks more like the popup menu is somehow broken. After selling/destroying all EMP-Grenades, it was the incendiary launcher that was the only mountable weapon (rest grayed out as before). I then got rid of all launchers. Now a shotgun was the only weapon. The only common thing: the only highlightable entry was always the second to last entry in the menu, the last being "..." for a next page, which was also not selectable. I will post more of the problem in Haplo's thread https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=3612.msg177206#msg177206 (https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=3612.msg177206#msg177206).
Would it be possible for pawns to be given a slot for thrown weapons and hand explosives? Seems odd that someone would simply carry grenades but no other weapons. Would be nice to have EMP grenades with my conventional standard loadout and the ability to ground target the attacks with a context menu.
Quote from: Hague on October 04, 2015, 05:22:09 PM
Would it be possible for pawns to be given a slot for thrown weapons and hand explosives? Seems odd that someone would simply carry grenades but no other weapons. Would be nice to have EMP grenades with my conventional standard loadout and the ability to ground target the attacks with a context menu.
Recommending Tools for Haul (https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=12282.0) for that. Just equip a backpack and you can switch between guns/grenades. I usually equip a sniper, a pistol and a grenade.
Alright, so I just downloaded the latest version of Combat Realism, Combat realism defense, and CCL v0.12.3. ( from the downloads links on the first pages of each mod) Even just using CCL and Combat realism core, I am getting a bug where the mods automatically deload.
All of my mods are for Alpha 12. This is a list of the mods I am using:
Containers for Stuff
EDB Mod order and Prepare Carefully
Enviro SK
Extended Woodworking
Fences v1.0
Fish Industry
Hospitality 1.07
Medieval SHields
Micellaneous HiRes
Modular Tables v1.47
More Factions Spawn
Right tool for the job
Tools for Hauling
Vegetable Garden
What is going on?
Did you create a new world? Also, remember that some mods need to be loaded in a specific order.
Quote from: TheRedOne on October 04, 2015, 10:28:42 PM
Did you create a new world? Also, remember that some mods need to be loaded in a specific order.
No, this is just "turning on" the mods on the Main page of Rimworld. And, I still get the"incompatible" message when I load Core, CCL, and Combat realism core.
I find it kind of odd that someone can get shot in the heart, collapse due to extreme pain, and sit there and bleed to death not in minutes but over the course of 24 hours. Shouldn't a shot to the heart cause an extreme amount of bleeding? Like, in real life that'd be something along the lines of, 'You need that stitched in the next 20 seconds or you're going into shock' or 'You're running on adrenaline and are about to drop like a sack of bad hand-me-downs.'
Hi, same thing for me ,like @Boston incompatible message and reset all my mods.
Quote from: Didact04 on October 05, 2015, 04:26:01 AM
I find it kind of odd that someone can get shot in the heart, collapse due to extreme pain, and sit there and bleed to death not in minutes but over the course of 24 hours. Shouldn't a shot to the heart cause an extreme amount of bleeding? Like, in real life that'd be something along the lines of, 'You need that stitched in the next 20 seconds or you're going into shock' or 'You're running on adrenaline and are about to drop like a sack of bad hand-me-downs.'
That's actually a good point, I'll have a look at bleeding rates once I get some time to work on the mod again.
Quote from: Boston on October 04, 2015, 11:04:12 PM
Quote from: TheRedOne on October 04, 2015, 10:28:42 PM
Did you create a new world? Also, remember that some mods need to be loaded in a specific order.
No, this is just "turning on" the mods on the Main page of Rimworld. And, I still get the"incompatible" message when I load Core, CCL, and Combat realism core.
Is your load order Core -> CCL -> CR? If so I'd like you to append your log file, its YourRimworldFolder/RimWorld914Win_Data/output_log.txt
Added the mods and in the order you provided, still get lots of errors. see attacked log
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Quote from: Nebbeh on October 06, 2015, 11:24:33 AM
Added the mods and in the order you provided, still get lots of errors. see attacked log
From your output log, there is NO CCL loaded before combat realism.
here is a copy of the load order from my modconfig...
-<ModsConfigData>
<buildNumber>911</buildNumber>
-<activeMods>
<li>Core</li>
<li>Community Core Library</li>
<li>Community Core Library - Vanilla Tweaks</li>
<li>EdBModOrder</li>
<li>CombatRealism</li>
<li>CombatRealism Defence</li>
</activeMods>
</ModsConfigData>
and the lines from the output log I looked for in yours and never found,
Community Core Library v0.12.3
Community Core Library :: Community Core Library :: Injected Specials
Community Core Library :: Advanced Research :: Initialized
Community Core Library :: Help System :: Initialized
Community Core Library :: Initialized
Ok will look into it, thx :)
Edit; Found my error, while downloading the different CR mods, I missed the CR Core, so I only had Community Core/Vanilla and Combat Realism Defence.
Thx for the input ^^
Hello, I need help with this mod. It took off the regular improvised steel turrets when I installed it, and currently they cannot be accessed through the security node of the architect tab. Is this mod supposed to implement another way to install turrets, or is this an unfortunate glitch?
Edit: Figured it out, machining table makes improvised turrets.
i have a secondary question... using the combat realism defense mod... how do i get access to build those turrets???
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hey, can u plz make the no turret crafting optional? My friend wont use this mod coz of it and im starting to get annoyed coz no one seems to be selling them, so yeah, please make that optional
Quote from: Lordprimate on October 08, 2015, 06:40:32 PM
i have a secondary question... using the combat realism defense mod... how do i get access to build those turrets???
See the OP for instructions on where to obtain the new turrets.
Quote from: TheGentlmen (GENT) on October 08, 2015, 11:53:00 PM
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Quote from: Soul312 on October 09, 2015, 04:05:47 AM
hey, can u plz make the no turret crafting optional? My friend wont use this mod coz of it and im starting to get annoyed coz no one seems to be selling them, so yeah, please make that optional
1) Please don't use these silly abbreviations like "u" and "plz." This is a forum, not an IM chat.
2) I specifically made the advanced turrets buyable only to prevent spam and I locked the improvised turrets behind the machining table because I think it is a fair balance to their increased combat power. I will not make patches for such minor balance adjustments.
A centipede overran my base of 25 chickens, 11 huskies, and 7 colonists and killed them all in the course of 3 days, completely destroying every effort to rally against it.
The 4 out of the 7 being brawlers and one of the gunners having a shotgun probably didn't help either.
On the plus side, I found that chickens make great distractions.
I've a broadish suggestion: Tactical treatment of battle wounds
Basically, treatment of wounds sustained in battle gets more realistic. In reality, if your heart gets damaged, you have 10 seconds to a minute before you bleed to death. In game, though, it can take days. I saw somebody mention that earlier. I suggest you greatly increase the rate at which wounds to organs bleed. But add tactical first aid.
Example:
John and Joe are in a gunfight with some raiders, Joe gets shot in the heart and begins to lose blood very rapidly. John can apply tactical first aid (Short treatment time, only need a low medicine skill to do it), to slow the bleeding enough so that Joe won't bleed out before he has a chance to be rescued.
Maybe have dedicated CLS, who carrys around QuikClot and Saline, or an FAK or something.
So how did i fix the problem of rimworld telling me that some mods were incompatible and corrupted that some people had earlier? nothing in the mods folder besides CCL_User_Releasev0.12.3b, Combat realism core and Combat Realism Defence, along with EdB Mod Order. Note that CCL loads on fine, no errors with EdB Mod Order, and that error only occurs upon loading Combat realism
Quote from: Kazkel on October 15, 2015, 07:23:49 AM
So how did i fix the problem of rimworld telling me that some mods were incompatible and corrupted that some people had earlier? nothing in the mods folder besides CCL_User_Releasev0.12.3b, Combat realism core and Combat Realism Defence, along with EdB Mod Order. Note that CCL loads on fine, no errors with EdB Mod Order, and that error only occurs upon loading Combat realism
You tried the obvious and reinstalled the mod? Defence and the core? Also make sure CCL is up to date.
Quote from: Facepunch on October 11, 2015, 05:00:07 PM
I've a broadish suggestion: Tactical treatment of battle wounds
Basically, treatment of wounds sustained in battle gets more realistic. In reality, if your heart gets damaged, you have 10 seconds to a minute before you bleed to death. In game, though, it can take days. I saw somebody mention that earlier. I suggest you greatly increase the rate at which wounds to organs bleed. But add tactical first aid.
Example:
John and Joe are in a gunfight with some raiders, Joe gets shot in the heart and begins to lose blood very rapidly. John can apply tactical first aid (Short treatment time, only need a low medicine skill to do it), to slow the bleeding enough so that Joe won't bleed out before he has a chance to be rescued.
Maybe have dedicated CLS, who carrys around QuikClot and Saline, or an FAK or something.
You can do this right now if you dedicate a sleeping spot on the ground for the wounded person on the battlefield. The Tools for Haul mod will let someone with a backpack carry medicine to use on the battlefield. As for bleeding in combat, and in general, there ought to be a "Blood Clotting" attribute on pawns that affects how quickly they recover from bleeding on their own that can be enhanced by drugs and implants.
Getting broken link from PA download. Not sure if it is just me or not. The rest works fine.
Quote from: falcongrey on October 16, 2015, 02:18:41 PM
Getting broken link from PA download. Not sure if it is just me or not. The rest works fine.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on January 29, 2015, 12:27:41 PM
Combat Realism for Project Armory:
Currently unavailable as Project Armory has not updated to A12 yet
A compatibility patch for Project Armory (https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=1950.0). It comes in two versions, light and regular. Regular has every weapon from PA except the M2HB. Light removes weapons from the pre-WWI era, obscure niche weapons, bolters and variations on the same weapon. I personally recommend the light version for the best gameplay experience. Either one can be further customized using PA's own Kit Switcher tool.
Some people should try this mystical thing called reading. ;)
Quote from: TheGentlmen (GENT) on October 16, 2015, 04:37:30 PM
Some people should try this mystical thing called reading. ;)
Have a drink, go for a walk, gentleman.... you are sounding off like ninefingers.
Quote from: TLHeart on October 16, 2015, 07:44:47 PM
Quote from: TheGentlmen (GENT) on October 16, 2015, 04:37:30 PM
Some people should try this mystical thing called reading. ;)
Have a drink, go for a walk, gentleman.... you are sounding off like ninefingers.
I walk 40m a day and have roughly 2 cappuccinos.
Besides, I'm not nine, I just felt like politely pointing out something to the poor guy/girl.
Quote from: TheGentlmen (GENT) on October 16, 2015, 08:06:04 PM
Quote from: TLHeart on October 16, 2015, 07:44:47 PM
Quote from: TheGentlmen (GENT) on October 16, 2015, 04:37:30 PM
Some people should try this mystical thing called reading. ;)
Have a drink, go for a walk, gentleman.... you are sounding off like ninefingers.
I walk 40m a day and have roughly 2 cappuccinos.
Besides, I'm not nine, I just felt like politely pointing out something to the poor guy/girl.
No but that was not polite. It was abrasive, truth.
Quote from: TLHeart on October 16, 2015, 09:30:42 PM
Quote from: TheGentlmen (GENT) on October 16, 2015, 08:06:04 PM
Quote from: TLHeart on October 16, 2015, 07:44:47 PM
Quote from: TheGentlmen (GENT) on October 16, 2015, 04:37:30 PM
Some people should try this mystical thing called reading. ;)
Have a drink, go for a walk, gentleman.... you are sounding off like ninefingers.
I walk 40m a day and have roughly 2 cappuccinos.
Besides, I'm not nine, I just felt like politely pointing out something to the poor guy/girl.
No but that was not polite. It was abrasive, truth.
Polite is relative.
IMO it's a bit snarky. But let's not continue debating about politeness.
Anyways, I think there's an issue with reloading and hunting. My hunter uses a 5 round shotgun and sometimes finishes animals off with the last round. He then reloads and moves onto the next target. The dead animal just gets forbidden and ignored.
Let me just point out that the original message stating that an A12 patch is unavailable for Project Armory was in bold. Bold text is usually important and answers questions preemptively. It goes without saying that you should read the description for the thing you're downloading before you download it. ;)
yes there is an issue with hunters and reloading, as the reload overrides the haul the dead animal, and the dead animal is left to rot in the field.
Ok, I don't post much here but I found a pretty game breaking bug. I searched the forums for each mod I have (only a small handful) and can't find anything so I will post it here and copy it to each of the others.
I use
Combat Realism CORE
Combat Realism Defence Pack
Community Core Library
Expanded Prosthetics and Organ Engineering
Numbers
All currently up to date and running just fine except for one thing...
Cooking tables are built but never show up. It's like they disappear. Kinda important. Just thought I'd let each mod author know so they may find it if it's something with theres.
HI!
Suppression mechanic is EPIC!
Thanks for your hard work!
I'm getting this error and a quick search hasn't yielded any results. Any idea as to what went wrong? http://postimg.org/image/r8t11nmov/full/
Quote from: aGuyNamdJesus on October 19, 2015, 01:10:58 PM
Ok, I don't post much here but I found a pretty game breaking bug. I searched the forums for each mod I have (only a small handful) and can't find anything so I will post it here and copy it to each of the others.
I use
Combat Realism CORE
Combat Realism Defence Pack
Community Core Library
Expanded Prosthetics and Organ Engineering
Numbers
All currently up to date and running just fine except for one thing...
Cooking tables are built but never show up. It's like they disappear. Kinda important. Just thought I'd let each mod author know so they may find it if it's something with theres.
Go into "options", and check "dev mode." You'll see an error log. Try to build a cooking table and take a screenshot of whatever error messages pop up.
Quote from: Arcticpulse on October 20, 2015, 12:27:35 AM
I'm getting this error and a quick search hasn't yielded any results. Any idea as to what went wrong? http://postimg.org/image/r8t11nmov/full/
From the looks of it you're trying to load CR Defence without CR Core.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on October 20, 2015, 03:25:54 AM
Quote from: Arcticpulse on October 20, 2015, 12:27:35 AM
I'm getting this error and a quick search hasn't yielded any results. Any idea as to what went wrong? http://postimg.org/image/r8t11nmov/full/
From the looks of it you're trying to load CR Defence without CR Core.
Yup, that seems to be the case. Thanks!
When I used this mod my colonist used a hunting rifle but shoots way off the target because of the distance.. Is the mod not compatible with 12D?
Quote from: _Zev on October 22, 2015, 05:18:37 AM
When I used this mod my colonist used a hunting rifle but shoots way off the target because of the distance.. Is the mod not compatible with 12D?
It's compatible, but hunting has a few issues, especially in wooded areas. The hunting code is set up to always fire from maximum distance, with the CR mod this distance is much larger for some weapons. The problem is that pawns aren't aware of cover when they're hunting, so they'll happily spend a day shooting trees. It's a core game bug/feature, made extra noticeable by CR. The same is (to a lesser extent) true for normal combat. Distances are larger, which means environment and skill play a much larger role.
Quick solution; equip hunters with pistols or other short range weaponry. Hopefully at some point NIA or Tynan will fix the underlying problem in either the mod, or the core game.
Hey is there any way i could get this mod were all it changes are the weapon ammo sizes and reloading, and adds the defences in, cause i love the look of this mod just id like those things as an indipendent thing because im not as much of a fan of the accuracy and bullet damage changes, although i might use them just prefer only small parts
I found a small bug probobly related to the bug above that pawns does not haul killed animals because of reloading.
When you force shooting a non threathening entity the pawn stops shooting after a reload and need to be reordered to shoot.
By non threathening i mean downed enemies and other things that drafted pawns normally needs to be ordered to shoot at.
Quote from: Fluffy (l2032) on October 22, 2015, 05:38:22 AM
Quote from: _Zev on October 22, 2015, 05:18:37 AM
When I used this mod my colonist used a hunting rifle but shoots way off the target because of the distance.. Is the mod not compatible with 12D?
It's compatible, but hunting has a few issues, especially in wooded areas. The hunting code is set up to always fire from maximum distance, with the CR mod this distance is much larger for some weapons. The problem is that pawns aren't aware of cover when they're hunting, so they'll happily spend a day shooting trees. It's a core game bug/feature, made extra noticeable by CR. The same is (to a lesser extent) true for normal combat. Distances are larger, which means environment and skill play a much larger role.
Quick solution; equip hunters with pistols or other short range weaponry. Hopefully at some point NIA or Tynan will fix the underlying problem in either the mod, or the core game.
Hmm so either play on a map without that much woods or just avoid rifles altogether.. Hmm I love rifles though.. this is tough..
I don't seem to be able to build embrasures or barbed wires. Have these things changed? I know turrets are bought from the trader but are *all* the turrets to be bought from traders?
That came as a bit of a surprise when I started out and was unable to build any defenses other than some deadfall trap and sandbags.
The mods I'm using:
Core
CCL
CCL vanilla tweaks
Clutter
Combat Realism Core
CombatRealism Defence
EdB Prepare Carefully
EdB Mod Order
Miscellaneous HiRes
MAI+
More Factions Spawn
RT Fusebox
Additional Joy Objects V2.60
These are also the order of my mods.
The full extent of this mod wasn't well explained on the first page and I had trouble searching for most of my questions throughout this thread regarding the mechanics after certain updates. But that goes for pretty much all the mods I use. Just letting you know that I did try searching for answers first.
Quote from: Dryparn on October 22, 2015, 06:01:08 AM
I found a small bug probobly related to the bug above that pawns does not haul killed animals because of reloading.
When you force shooting a non threathening entity the pawn stops shooting after a reload and need to be reordered to shoot.
By non threathening i mean downed enemies and other things that drafted pawns normally needs to be ordered to shoot at.
All these issues are due to the fact that this is the expected behaviour of the reload job:
- Current job = *
- If ammo count == 0, Current job = reload
- Current job = shoot target
Which means whatever the previous job was, it's not stored (due to technical limitations through compatibility with other mods). There are a
few case fixes that require some tinkering with existing systems (make Job "clonable" which it isn't at the moment and which would break all
other mods which add new jobs) though none are perfect.
The desired behaviour would of course be for currentJob to be stored, however storedJob = currentJob stores a
pointer which means
when currentJob is set to "reload", storedJob now also contains "reload". To store it you need to make a deep copy of the Job, which is possible
through C#
if and only if the method is "clonable"
or the class doesn't contain references to other complicated classes (anything but
int, bool etc). Neither are the case with Job, and the alternative is to decide currentJob's job type, do storedJob = new Job() and add every
single part of currentJob to storedJob based on their job type. Still not perfect, because any unknown job type will break the system.
The hunting job has issue is known and is on the list of things to fix once I start working on the AI overhaul. Right now the problem is that it is basically just "do combat against animal" which in turn means "go to 80% of your maximum range and shoot until the target dies". Right now the only workaround I can recommend is to equip hunters with shotguns or other short-ranged weapons rather than sniper rifles.
To expand on what Alistaire said regarding storing jobs, one possible workaround is to store the type and target of specific jobs and issue new ones after reloading. The current in-dev version does this to store force fire jobs, e.g. pawns would keep shooting at a crashed ship part after reload. It is a somewhat awkward and hacky method to do things so I won't extend it to most jobs but I'll see about including hunting.
Quote from: DaLoSti on October 22, 2015, 09:53:56 PM
I don't seem to be able to build embrasures or barbed wires. Have these things changed? I know turrets are bought from the trader but are *all* the turrets to be bought from traders?
Improvised turrets are made at the machining table, the rest is bought. Embrasures and barbed wire should be available right from the start though through the architect menu. I'm not quite sure what could even be causing such a bug. Do you have CCL 0.12.3 or the new 0.12.4 version? Also, does this happen even with no mods other than CR and CR Defence active?
Quote from: DaLoSti on October 22, 2015, 09:53:56 PM
I don't seem to be able to build embrasures or barbed wires. Have these things changed? I know turrets are bought from the trader but are *all* the turrets to be bought from traders?
Improvised turrets are made at the machining table, the rest is bought. Embrasures and barbed wire should be available right from the start though through the architect menu. I'm not quite sure what could even be causing such a bug. Do you have CCL 0.12.3 or the new 0.12.4 version? Also, does this happen even with no mods other than CR and CR Defence active?
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It works now. IT did happen with only CR and CR Defence. I also had trouble 'uninstalling' other mods when realizing they were incompatible/outdated.
I just reinstalled everything and started out with whatever mods I knew to be updated for 12d.
Thanks for the reply.
Is there anyway to uninstall this mod without completely bricking my save? I love this mod, it drastically changes how I play, but it's not really fitting my current play style for this colony. And I don't want to have to start new as I am really liking this map for my base set up.
Will this mod be going into more depth of the human body as to what body parts can get injured? For example someones tongue might get cut by a knife or something. Although I am not sure how you would replace those things if they got destroyed?
when ever I go to load this mod in my rimworld it gives me a 'there was a compatability issue/outdated one of your mods :/
ive installed the community mod thingy and that works fine- another mod I have that uses it works
the message only pops up after I install this mod.
can someone please expain to me what im doing wrong? this mod just sounds so badass :P
Quote from: kirotheavenger on October 27, 2015, 10:50:52 AM
when ever I go to load this mod in my rimworld it gives me a 'there was a compatability issue/outdated one of your mods :/
ive installed the community mod thingy and that works fine- another mod I have that uses it works
the message only pops up after I install this mod.
can someone please expain to me what im doing wrong? this mod just sounds so badass :P
I was recently having this problem today. I had the mod running yesterday, but I've been adding and removing mods trying to create a custom feel to the game. Once I was satisfied I try and boot em up, but it refused to work. As I trialed and errored it, I found this to be the problem. I redownled this mod and is reqs, no go. I delete my mod config, no go. How did I eventually fix it?
I redownloads a fresh file of RimWorld and transferred the mods over, not including the old core, and it worked out just fine. To reiterate, get a fresh install, I think the problem is in your old core or something.
Was wrestling with this problem today. Extracting another copy of the game and moving the mods over, excluding the old core, seemed to allow me to load the mods successfully. Why it does this I don't know, just started playing today.
many mods make changes to the games core, removing the mod does not change the core back to vanilla. That is why you always need a fresh core when changing mods.
Mods don't modify the core folder. One doesn't have to because overwriting is done through defining the same content in the mod itself.
It is however good practice to remove C:\Users\(YourUserName)\AppData\LocalLow\Ludeon Studios\RimWorld\Config\ModsConfig.xml after removing mod folders.
Quote from: Alistaire on November 04, 2015, 09:51:12 AM
Mods don't modify the core folder. One doesn't have to because overwriting is done through defining the same content in the mod itself.
It is however good practice to remove C:\Users\(YourUserName)\AppData\LocalLow\Ludeon Studios\RimWorld\Config\ModsConfig.xml after removing mod folders.
Sorry to disagree, but some of the mods DO modify the core folder, or even replace it with their own version. Good modders do not do that, but others do.
Quote from: Techigai on November 04, 2015, 03:22:54 AM
Was wrestling with this problem today. Extracting another copy of the game and moving the mods over, excluding the old core, seemed to allow me to load the mods successfully. Why it does this I don't know, just started playing today.
still does not seem to work. i guess i just have to go without this amazing looking mod...
Quote from: toric on November 05, 2015, 04:40:23 AM
Quote from: Techigai on November 04, 2015, 03:22:54 AM
Was wrestling with this problem today. Extracting another copy of the game and moving the mods over, excluding the old core, seemed to allow me to load the mods successfully. Why it does this I don't know, just started playing today.
still does not seem to work. i guess i just have to go without this amazing looking mod...
If you're having problems installing the mod please post a screenshot of your load order and attach your output_log.txt (it is located in the RimWorld914Win_Data folder) from after the issue occurs.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on November 05, 2015, 05:41:12 AM
Quote from: toric on November 05, 2015, 04:40:23 AM
Quote from: Techigai on November 04, 2015, 03:22:54 AM
Was wrestling with this problem today. Extracting another copy of the game and moving the mods over, excluding the old core, seemed to allow me to load the mods successfully. Why it does this I don't know, just started playing today.
still does not seem to work. i guess i just have to go without this amazing looking mod...
If you're having problems installing the mod please post a screenshot of your load order and attach your output_log.txt (it is located in the RimWorld914Win_Data folder) from after the issue occurs.
I'm on a mac, cursory search did not find the output log. however, i have the screenshots:
also, on another note, will mods that add extra turrets be incompatible with this? for example, More Vanilla Turrets?
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Quote from: toric on November 05, 2015, 01:03:10 PM
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on November 05, 2015, 05:41:12 AM
Quote from: toric on November 05, 2015, 04:40:23 AM
Quote from: Techigai on November 04, 2015, 03:22:54 AM
Was wrestling with this problem today. Extracting another copy of the game and moving the mods over, excluding the old core, seemed to allow me to load the mods successfully. Why it does this I don't know, just started playing today.
still does not seem to work. i guess i just have to go without this amazing looking mod...
If you're having problems installing the mod please post a screenshot of your load order and attach your output_log.txt (it is located in the RimWorld914Win_Data folder) from after the issue occurs.
I'm on a mac, cursory search did not find the output log. however, i have the screenshots:
also, on another note, will mods that add extra turrets be incompatible with this? for example, More Vanilla Turrets?
What's up with that CCL install of yours? The latest version should read as "Community Core Library v0.12.4"
Mods that add new turrets should not have any hard incompatibilities but they won't use any of the new features or balancing so unless they were specifically balanced for this mod they probably won't fit in too well.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on November 05, 2015, 03:44:30 PM
Quote from: toric on November 05, 2015, 01:03:10 PM
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on November 05, 2015, 05:41:12 AM
Quote from: toric on November 05, 2015, 04:40:23 AM
Quote from: Techigai on November 04, 2015, 03:22:54 AM
Was wrestling with this problem today. Extracting another copy of the game and moving the mods over, excluding the old core, seemed to allow me to load the mods successfully. Why it does this I don't know, just started playing today.
still does not seem to work. i guess i just have to go without this amazing looking mod...
If you're having problems installing the mod please post a screenshot of your load order and attach your output_log.txt (it is located in the RimWorld914Win_Data folder) from after the issue occurs.
I'm on a mac, cursory search did not find the output log. however, i have the screenshots:
also, on another note, will mods that add extra turrets be incompatible with this? for example, More Vanilla Turrets?
What's up with that CCL install of yours? The latest version should read as "Community Core Library v0.12.4"
Mods that add new turrets should not have any hard incompatibilities but they won't use any of the new features or balancing so unless they were specifically balanced for this mod they probably won't fit in too well.
thanks. i didn't realize that there was another set of folders in the ccl folder. seems to be fixed now.
I have been having a problem where when my mortars fire, it makes the noise and it uses up the mortar, but a mortar does not actually come out of the cannon and fire, it seems to only happen to certain mortars..... Anyone have any knowlege on this?
Quote from: Peaches on November 07, 2015, 05:12:53 PM
I have been having a problem where when my mortars fire, it makes the noise and it uses up the mortar, but a mortar does not actually come out of the cannon and fire, it seems to only happen to certain mortars..... Anyone have any knowlege on this?
Please attach your output_log.txt, see my post above for the location. Also, what range (in cells) are you firing the mortar approximately?
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on November 08, 2015, 02:08:45 AM
Quote from: Peaches on November 07, 2015, 05:12:53 PM
I have been having a problem where when my mortars fire, it makes the noise and it uses up the mortar, but a mortar does not actually come out of the cannon and fire, it seems to only happen to certain mortars..... Anyone have any knowlege on this?
Please attach your output_log.txt, see my post above for the location. Also, what range (in cells) are you firing the mortar approximately?
Approximately 200-250 cells, when i fire them at 40 cells though they seem to work... They were touching other mortars and walls and were in close proximity to a mountain, would that affect them in any way?
Hey there NoImageAvailable!
I think a found a bug related to hunting with Combat_Realism.Verb_ShootCRReload or Combat_Realism.CompAim.
To reproduce the error, you can find a Savegame and World here:
https://github.com/simon-82/ModVarietyPack/issues/13 (https://github.com/simon-82/ModVarietyPack/issues/13)
Ignore the first comment. It is in the post from Sephyr.
Following scenario:
- An animal is shot down (not dead) and still set to hunting.
- Let a pawn hunt the animal with any weapon that uses Combat_Realism.Verb_ShootCRReload or Combat_Realism.CompAim.
This error pops up and the pawn gets stuck in the "Standing" loop:
Leas started 10 jobs in 10 ticks. lastJobGiver=
Leas started 10 jobs in one tick. thinkResult=(job=Hunt A=Deer79627 sourceNode=RimWorld.JobGiver_Work) lastJobGiver=RimWorld.JobGiver_Work
Tried with all modified vanilla weapons from CR.
Especially with pistol and shotgun, as these usually work with hunting.
- If I give the pawn any weapon that uses Verb_Shoot he goes and kills the animal. Give him the other weapon back, immediately back to the error loop.
I think the pawn tries to find a spot from where to shoot, but can't find one. The debug console at least says something about position in the chain.
Greetings!
anyone found an effective way to hunt with CR? the best way I've found it to use some sort of shotgun type weapon or other low ranged weapon. i use the combat shotgun from rimfire.
Hunting with a pistol, or shotgun is my preferred method. Needs to be a short ranged weapon.
Using it but it seems to have made the game extremely easy. Main problem is the AI doesn't seem to understand what the new weapons can do, such as snipers having an incredibly long range but they wont fire until you get close.
Quote from: mokonasakura on November 10, 2015, 09:46:41 PM
Using it but it seems to have made the game extremely easy. Main problem is the AI doesn't seem to understand what the new weapons can do, such as snipers having an incredibly long range but they wont fire until you get close.
The vanilla AI is a known problem. Its basically just form blob -> find firing position at 80% of your max range -> shoot until target is dead. I am currently taking an extended break from Rimworld but once I get back to it one of the main things on my list is a complete AI overhaul with intelligent pathing, tactics, etc.
I seem to be having problems installing, Its a comparability problem but the only mods I start with is the CCL with vanilla tweaks, Mod order, and this mod.
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I have been trying to get these to work but cant and i am VERY infuriated, and i am using this loosely, its been several weeks and this still isnt fixed am i using the wrong CCL or what is going on?(http://puu.sh/llU4Z/948eda4dbc.png)
Quote from: Mechanoid Hivemind on November 14, 2015, 09:52:14 PM
I have been trying to get these to work but cant and i am VERY infuriated, and i am using this loosely, its been several weeks and this still isnt fixed am i using the wrong CCL or what is going on?[im g]http://puu.sh/llU4Z/948eda4dbc.png[/img]
Full outlog?
Edit: Seems like the CR dll is missing, or the CCL dll is missing causing the CR dll to fail when loading.
Do you think this mod would be compatible with [A12] Expanded Prosthetics and Organ Engineering ?
Quote from: bluestrike15 on November 14, 2015, 08:17:43 PM
I seem to be having problems installing, Its a comparability problem but the only mods I start with is the CCL with vanilla tweaks, Mod order, and this mod.
What exactly is the problem?
Quote from: Avenger5998 on November 15, 2015, 01:57:55 AM
Do you think this mod would be compatible with [A12] Expanded Prosthetics and Organ Engineering ?
There are minor incompatibilities if you load EPOE after CR. I've sent the author a compatibility patch ages ago but it seems they haven't updated their OP, so here's a Dropbox link: https://www.dropbox.com/s/yjyn5j3k9honpxr/CombatRealism%20EPOE.rar?dl=0
Load after both CR and EPOE
The problem is when I input those mods and click close I get "Recovery from incompatible or corrupted mods errors" message box which then unloads all mods I've managed to get working to that point.
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There are minor incompatibilities if you load EPOE after CR. I've sent the author a compatibility patch ages ago but it seems they haven't updated their OP, so here's a Dropbox link: https://www.dropbox.com/s/yjyn5j3k9honpxr/CombatRealism%20EPOE.rar?dl=0
Load after both CR and EPOE
Thanks so much for the help, these two mods are going to make my next rimworld campaign much more interesting.
You're using CCL v0.12.4 but the current version of CR uses CCL v0.12.3
Not sure that's the problem though.
Quote from: Alistaire on November 15, 2015, 01:08:22 PM
You're using CCL v0.12.4 but the current version of CR uses CCL v0.12.3
Not sure that's the problem though.
CCL 0.12.4 is backwards compatible with all CCL 0.12.X. All 0.12.X are for alpha 12.
Quote from: bluestrike15 on November 15, 2015, 12:08:19 PM
The problem is when I input those mods and click close I get "Recovery from incompatible or corrupted mods errors" message box which then unloads all mods I've managed to get working to that point.
Outlog?
False Alarm. After re downloading the mod It is working just fine along with Rimfire's compatibility download. It might have been that some of the parts didn't go threw the first time around. More than likely thats something on my side of things.
While using the Defense module, I can't build the base turrets. Is that intended? I read the description of the mod and it said that the vanilla guns would still be able to be built, but the new ones would have to be bought.
Quote from: Avenger5998 on November 21, 2015, 11:06:20 AM
While using the Defense module, I can't build the base turrets. Is that intended? I read the description of the mod and it said that the vanilla guns would still be able to be built, but the new ones would have to be bought.
The improvised turret has been moved to the machining table.
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The improvised turret has been moved to the machining table.
Thanks for the information. Amazing mod so far by the way.
I have a strange problem with mortals. I've been CR and CR defence and noticed that mortal shells move extremely slow, little more than 1 cell/second.
Not only that, but I've downloaded Rimfire recently, and noticed that the grenades the launcher shoots behave the exact same way.
All other weapons, including CR defence turrets (the big one too), seem to behave as intended.
Is there a reason for that behaviour? Any way to fix it?
Thanks!
Travel times depend on the steepness of the trajectory. For the mortar that means engaging closer targets produces longer flight times since it fires in a steep arc. It also has multiple charges with different muzzle velocities so you probably just fired close to one of the breaking points and got a very steep trajectory of 70-80° or something. The grenade launcher is just comparatively slow in general.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on December 08, 2015, 02:20:40 PM
Travel times depend on the steepness of the trajectory. For the mortar that means engaging closer targets produces longer flight times since it fires in a steep arc. It also has multiple charges with different muzzle velocities so you probably just fired close to one of the breaking points and got a very steep trajectory of 70-80° or something. The grenade launcher is just comparatively slow in general.
MY MISTAKE regarding the grenade launcher; I've set <flyOverhead> "true", which resulted in the speed drop due to this angle thing.
I'm starting to understand the mechanics behind it, still, it makes very little sense to me.
It's not my place to tell what should and should not be, so I'll just ask:
is there an easy way to reduce, or remove this effect without setting <flyOverhead> "false"?
Now I'll rant a bit;
Mortal's max range is 700, that's over twice the size of the maps I'm playing on. That's not a problem, but I do not understand why would anyone point it for example 75° upwards to target something 350 tiles away, when 15° would be the desired angle, which has the same range, but essentially reduces traveling time by 3/4.
That is, unless the target is behind a wall.
Then a 75° would be preferred, but then again, for maximum range (700 here) 45° is the angle, whit which it would be impossible to hit anything behind the wall, but the wall itself. This feature doesn't exist in the game, so IMO it's unreasonable to use high angle shots for close-range, especially without any obstacles in the way.
Especially when my crippled pawn can fire the mortar, run to the targeted location with peg legs, eat his last meal and die from the just-arriving shell.
As it is, I might just set <flyOverhead> "false" for every weapon that has it.
This decision was made because there is no reason for any weapon besides a mortar to have <flyOverhead> set to true. CR is hardcoded to always use low flying arcs UNLESS flyOverhead is true and only in that case will high flying arcs be used. Mortars don't fire much under 40 degrees and because "we could not be asked" to implement that, it was left as it is now.
The design choice is rationalized quite well in my opinion but of course whatever you were trying to do by setting flyOverhead to true in CR will not work. I don't know why you would want Rimfire grenade launchers to fire overhead since CR already implements projectile heights and hitchecks will only be performed in sensible locations due to that.
Like you said yourself, the reason to fire at such a steep angle is to be able to clear obstructions at close range. The defining characteristic of a mortar is that it fires at elevations of 40°+, it doesn't have the maximum range of a howitzer but it also doesn't have the minimum range either so when you're firing at close range (which as far as artillery is concerned includes everything in Rimworld, a howitzer would have a minimum range larger than the largest map) a mortar becomes the superior choice because it provides the ability for indirect fire were other artillery pieces would not.
See also this image for illustration:
(http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/7-90/fig7-3.gif)
Now you could ask why the mortar can't use direct fire against targets it has line of sight on and the answer is that a) mortars due to their construction typically can't be aimed below 40° or so b) it would be kinda difficult to code and c) because that's basically what the cannon turret does already.
Quote from: Alistaire on December 08, 2015, 03:34:27 PM
The design choice is rationalized quite well in my opinion but of course whatever you were trying to do by setting flyOverhead to true in CR will not work. I don't know why you would want Rimfire grenade launchers to fire overhead since CR already implements projectile heights and hitchecks will only be performed in sensible locations due to that.
Whatever I'm trying to do? Well, I'm trying to give myself the ability to fight mechanoids of course! I've already changed the projectile to shoot EMP nades. Them being as tough as they are, equipped with weapons with more range and damage, I've lost 7 and managed to recover 2 colonists out of 11, against 4 centipedes and 6-7 scythers, after an "ancient ship" event.
Not sure which one is worse, schythers essentially one-shotting my colonists from behind cover, or centipedes downing them in one burst.
I'm changing that, that's what I'm doing.
Back to mortars; I had 4 (since I could not build howitzers [not sure if possible, even if it is I wasn't there yet], and not one trader sold them), but those nimble centipedes dodged the mortar shells effortlessly. Not using mortals, or only using them against sieges would be fine by me, but with the new flyOverhead, I've lost my best card against centipedes, and it's quite frustrating.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on December 08, 2015, 03:51:35 PMThe defining characteristic of a mortar is that it fires at elevations of 40°+
Yes, and another defining characteristic of a mortar is that it can be easily carried by a single person. The reason for them usually not being able to fire below 40 degrees safely is because the ground supports it, below 40 degrees it becomes unstable. At least generally, because there are different kinds of mortars. In Rimworld, we have a 2x2 tiles big mortar emplacement that doesn't look like, nor acts like your regular mortar.
No matter, I'm not here to tell you how it works or how you should change things, I'm here to ask if it's possible to change, without bathing myself in confusing computer magic. A question you have not answered.
Though based on what Alistaire said, I'd guess it is not.
Quote from: LittleGreenStone on December 08, 2015, 05:35:10 PM
Quote from: Alistaire on December 08, 2015, 03:34:27 PM
The design choice is rationalized quite well in my opinion but of course whatever you were trying to do by setting flyOverhead to true in CR will not work. I don't know why you would want Rimfire grenade launchers to fire overhead since CR already implements projectile heights and hitchecks will only be performed in sensible locations due to that.
Whatever I'm trying to do? Well, I'm trying to give myself the ability to fight mechanoids of course! I've already changed the projectile to shoot EMP nades. Them being as tough as they are, equipped with weapons with more range and damage, I've lost 7 and managed to recover 2 colonists out of 11, against 4 centipedes and 6-7 scythers, after an "ancient ship" event.
Not sure which one is worse, schythers essentially one-shotting my colonists from behind cover, or centipedes downing them in one burst.
I'm changing that, that's what I'm doing.
Back to mortars; I had 4 (since I could not build howitzers [not sure if possible, even if it is I wasn't there yet], and not one trader sold them), but those nimble centipedes dodged the mortar shells effortlessly. Not using mortals, or only using them against sieges would be fine by me, but with the new flyOverhead, I've lost my best card against centipedes, and it's quite frustrating.
Sounds like you avoid using the emp mortars, that have a huge range of effect.
Quote from: LittleGreenStone on December 08, 2015, 05:35:10 PM
Whatever I'm trying to do? Well, I'm trying to give myself the ability to fight mechanoids of course! I've already changed the projectile to shoot EMP nades. Them being as tough as they are, equipped with weapons with more range and damage, I've lost 7 and managed to recover 2 colonists out of 11, against 4 centipedes and 6-7 scythers, after an "ancient ship" event.
Not sure which one is worse, schythers essentially one-shotting my colonists from behind cover, or centipedes downing them in one burst.
I'm changing that, that's what I'm doing.
Back to mortars; I had 4 (since I could not build howitzers [not sure if possible, even if it is I wasn't there yet], and not one trader sold them), but those nimble centipedes dodged the mortar shells effortlessly. Not using mortals, or only using them against sieges would be fine by me, but with the new flyOverhead, I've lost my best card against centipedes, and it's quite frustrating.
If you're trying to nerf Mechanoids, why aren't you changing, you know, the actual Mechanoids? I'm currently working on other projects but once I get back to CR one of the things on my to-do list is revisit Mechanoid balance.
CR Defence has a cannon turret sold by combat suppliers, it does direct fire and is highly accurate. There is no howitzers in this mod because their minimum range would extend over the entire map. They'd be relegated to direct fire so they would just be a cannon turret in every way except people would keep asking why it can't do indirect fire.
Quote from: LittleGreenStone on December 08, 2015, 05:53:50 PM
Yes, and another defining characteristic of a mortar is that it can be easily carried by a single person. The reason for them usually not being able to fire below 40 degrees safely is because the ground supports it, below 40 degrees it becomes unstable. At least generally, because there are different kinds of mortars. In Rimworld, we have a 2x2 tiles big mortar emplacement that doesn't look like, nor acts like your regular mortar.
No, only very light mortars can be carried by one person, all the heavier ones are either crew-served or mounted on vehicles. The Rimworld mortar might resemble an 18th century mortar more than a modern day one but that hardly matters considering the definition of a mortar still is an artillery piece that fires low-velocity projectiles in a high arc.
QuoteNo matter, I'm not here to tell you how it works or how you should change things, I'm here to ask if it's possible to change, without bathing myself in confusing computer magic. A question you have not answered.
Though based on what Alistaire said, I'd guess it is not.
I thought Alistaire answered that question sufficiently. CR uses the flyOverhead tag to determine whether a weapon fires in a high or low arc, changing it would require delving into the code base and make changes to the verb code. If you have knowledge of C# you could do it with relatively little effort but if you want to count that as "computer magic" then no, it is not possible.
Literally the only difference between flyOverhead and non-flyOverhead is whether thick roofs are hit and what arc the projectile flies in. EVERY projectile can freely intercept ANYTHING and the only additional check is whether that intercept is at the correct height or not.
There is no reason to add flyOverhead to weaponry, basically. I don't get how it would at all fix your problem with the strength of mechanoids (which are resilient to many damage types).
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on December 09, 2015, 04:55:56 AM
If you're trying to nerf Mechanoids, why aren't you changing, you know, the actual Mechanoids? I'm currently working on other projects but once I get back to CR one of the things on my to-do list is revisit Mechanoid balance.
I'm not trying to nerf Mechanoids, probably that's why.
Quote from: Alistaire on December 09, 2015, 12:01:22 PM
Literally the only difference between flyOverhead and non-flyOverhead is whether thick roofs are hit and what arc the projectile flies in. EVERY projectile can freely intercept ANYTHING and the only additional check is whether that intercept is at the correct height or not.
There is no reason to add flyOverhead to weaponry, basically. I don't get how it would at all fix your problem with the strength of mechanoids (which are resilient to many damage types).
Look, I might not be able to tinker with codes, but observation is something I can do.
Without flyOverhead, I couldn't shoot grenades over walls. With it, I could.
Again, I do not know what's in the code and how it should work, but those are the results I've observed.
The benefits are self-explanatory.
Quote from: LittleGreenStone on December 08, 2015, 05:35:10 PM
Whatever I'm trying to do? Well, I'm trying to give myself the ability to fight mechanoids of course! I've already changed the projectile to shoot EMP nades. Them being as tough as they are, equipped with weapons with more range and damage, I've lost 7 and managed to recover 2 colonists out of 11, against 4 centipedes and 6-7 scythers, after an "ancient ship" event.
Not sure which one is worse, schythers essentially one-shotting my colonists from behind cover, or centipedes downing them in one burst.
I'm changing that, that's what I'm doing.
u probably just shouldnt fight em in big open fields with fragile humans, but lure them in close quarters and use some EMP nades and tactics. or u can shell em with 120mm and AGS, they'll never have the chance.
You know what you need to go with suppression? Humanoids pissing their pants in fear when they hear a large caliber round
can you make a gun malfunction/jam? after every burst the guns have a certain possibility(related to gun typ and quality) to jam, which will take extra time to fire the next burst.
Quote from: LittleGreenStone on December 09, 2015, 12:14:47 PM
Look, I might not be able to tinker with codes, but observation is something I can do.
Without flyOverhead, I couldn't shoot grenades over walls. With it, I could.
Again, I do not know what's in the code and how it should work, but those are the results I've observed.
The benefits are self-explanatory.
Vanilla functionality of flyOverhead is that it makes a projectile ignore all collisions and lets weapons target things without line of sight. CR extends this by making it also cause weapons to fire in a high arc since it is assumed the only weapon using the tag would be the mortar. That's all there really is to it.
Quote from: eatKenny on December 10, 2015, 06:26:48 PM
can you make a gun malfunction/jam? after every burst the guns have a certain possibility(related to gun typ and quality) to jam, which will take extra time to fire the next burst.
Changing the verb code to call some custom function after firing is easy enough, the tricky part would be actually writing the jamming behavior. You'd need some formula to determine malfunction chance, possibly add a variable to the weapon def itself and write a new job. But it is definitely possible, yes.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on December 11, 2015, 07:38:31 AM
Changing the verb code to call some custom function after firing is easy enough, the tricky part would be actually writing the jamming behavior. You'd need some formula to determine malfunction chance, possibly add a variable to the weapon def itself and write a new job. But it is definitely possible, yes.
i already thought it through:
every firearm has it's own base jam chance <JamChance>, for example AK-47 has <JamChance>0.5</JamChance>, which means after every shot AK-47 has 0.5% base chance for jam, M16 has <JamChance>2</JamChance> means M16 has 2% chance for jam. the quality of the firearm will effect the jam chance:
awful: x5
shoddy: x3
poor: x2
normal: x1
good: x0.7
superior: x0.5
excellent: x0.3
masterpiece: x0.2
Legendary: x0.1
that means, after each shot, an awful AK-47 has an actuall jam chance 0.5x5=2.5%, as a Legendary AK-47 has 0.5x0.1=0.05% actuall jam chance.
and for unjamming it's like reloading which is already in this mod, takes a random amount of ticks like between 60 to 240 ticks. and if the last bullet in magazine causes jam the shooter will firstly unjam and then reload.
Is this mod compatible with EdB Interface UI? Because I get an NullReferenceExeption about some "Rimworld.SquadAI.Something.BrainTick".
If I start a new colony and/or planet I don't get an exeption but the weapons won't fire after aiming...
Quote from: Dr. Z on December 19, 2015, 07:11:09 PM
Is this mod compatible with EdB Interface UI? Because I get an NullReferenceExeption about some "Rimworld.SquadAI.Something.BrainTick".
If I start a new colony and/or planet I don't get an exeption but the weapons won't fire after aiming...
I've been using EdB UI myself and never had any problems with it, the error you get is a result of loading an existing colony with a mod that makes changes to ThinkTrees. Not sure about the other problem, can you enable dev mode in the options and pull up the output log to see if any errors are thrown?
The moment the weapon is meant to shoot there's an error reading: "Exeption ticking Kramer: System.InvalidCastExeption: Cannot cast from source to destination type. at Combat Realism.Verb ShootCR.TrvCastShot() [0x00000] in <filenmae inknown>:0" (Screenshot is poor quality so I'm writing instead of uploading).
The counter is also continuously counting upwards.
Quote from: Dr. Z on December 20, 2015, 05:25:22 AM
The moment the weapon is meant to shoot there's an error reading: "Exeption ticking Kramer: System.InvalidCastExeption: Cannot cast from source to destination type. at Combat Realism.Verb ShootCR.TrvCastShot() [0x00000] in <filenmae inknown>:0" (Screenshot is poor quality so I'm writing instead of uploading).
The counter is also continuously counting upwards.
What weapon and what other mods do you have?
This was a survival rifle.
These are my mods:
EdBModOrder
Community Core Library
AlphaMuffalo1.9
Ancient Amulets V1.01
CaveworldFlora
Craftable Medicines
Community Core Library - Vanilla Tweaks
EdBInterface
ExpandedProsthetics&OrganEngineering
Fences
LT_Brighten
LT_DoorMat
LT_RimEffect
MetalBurnsSlower
Modular Tables
More Vanilla Turrets
Pawn State Icons
PowerSwitch
PrisonImprovements
Realistic Gun Sounds
RecycleApparel
RTFTJ
Stonecutting Tweak
StorageSearch-1.0
VeinMiner
Weapon Effects
+ Combat Realism and the EPOE patch
The error you're getting is a result of Weapon Effects overriding changes made by CR. The mods are currently incompatible, you'll have to use one or the other.
Well that's to bad. I was hoping they were compatible. Anyway it's a really cool mod you made I'm definitely gonna try out :)
Quote from: Dr. Z on December 20, 2015, 11:57:38 AM
Well that's to bad. I was hoping they were compatible.
actually it was mentioned in WE thread.
HI, I got a problem where combat realism would not Load on Alpha 0.12.914
Im new to modding Rimworld so If i should provide logs or else please note me where to find them.
I tried all load orders, have all the dependecies eg. can't imagine what went wrong
dunno if it has been reported (couldnt be arsed reading 41 pages) but i've encountered this:
when i load CR for the first time and start playing immediately, there is no reload button in pawn's order tab. everything stil works fine, pawns reload by themselves. Restarting the game fixes it.
Quote from: Grimandevil on December 21, 2015, 02:19:15 PM
dunno if it has been reported (couldnt be arsed reading 41 pages) but i've encountered this:
when i load CR for the first time and start playing immediately, there is no reload button in pawn's order tab. everything stil works fine, pawns reload by themselves. Restarting the game fixes it.
Sounds like you activated the mod and started playing. Anytime you activate a mod, it is good practice to exit out of rimworld completely, then start rimworld again, so that all the changes are loaded correctly from the start. That is what happens when you restarted the game.
Quote from: Bitterholz on December 21, 2015, 08:08:52 AM
HI, I got a problem where combat realism would not Load on Alpha 0.12.914
Im new to modding Rimworld so If i should provide logs or else please note me where to find them.
I tried all load orders, have all the dependecies eg. can't imagine what went wrong
Well, you could start by describing your problem since "would not load" could mean any number of things.
Quote from: Grimandevil on December 21, 2015, 02:19:15 PM
dunno if it has been reported (couldnt be arsed reading 41 pages) but i've encountered this:
when i load CR for the first time and start playing immediately, there is no reload button in pawn's order tab. everything stil works fine, pawns reload by themselves. Restarting the game fixes it.
Any time you open the mod menu you should restart the game afterwards. It has been known to cause all kinds of crazy issues otherwise.
Quote from: Bitterholz on December 21, 2015, 08:08:52 AM
HI, I got a problem where combat realism would not Load on Alpha 0.12.914
Im new to modding Rimworld so If i should provide logs or else please note me where to find them.
I tried all load orders, have all the dependecies eg. can't imagine what went wrong
Not sure I can be of much help but:
Are you sure the mod is not in double folders?
It should look something like this (emphasis on
something);
...\RimworldXXXX\Mods\CombatRealism\About (where "XXXX" stands for the release, A12d for example)
if you see something like;
...\RimworldXXXX\Mods\CombatRealism\CombatRealism\About
then it's the problem.
As for the log, it's the
output_log.txt
in
...\RimworldXXXX\RimWorldYYYWin_Data
folder, where "YYY" stands for...sssomething. A number. Not sure what it indicates.
Attach it so modders might be able to help you.
So I am now officially back from my long Rimworld vacation and development of this mod has resumed once again. As a heads up, here is my current roadmap:
- Version 1.5 will feature a much needed tightening of balance for the existing mechanics including aiming accuracy, armor and suppression as well as miscellaneous other balance adjustments and quality of life improvements. Additionally, it will feature manual hunkering, a new aimed/snapshot mechanic and artillery spotting. It will likely also feature a number of other smaller additions.
It will also feature a rebalance to the health system with the focus moving away from destroyed organs providing instant kills and instead aiming for a "soft kill" system. What that means is that a shot to the heart won't be instantly fatal anymore, but it will cause extreme bleeding to the tune of death within an ingame hour or less. Such wounds would require immediate evacuation and treatment to survive and will be very likely to leave permanent damage.
This is intended to do two things. On one side, add an additional element of tension to gunfights on your own side as you have to choose between maintaining an effective defense or pulling pawns off to cover the evacuation of your wounded. On the other side it should make post-battle clean up more interesting as you have to decide which prisoners are worth taking and which ones to leave behind as you won't be able to provide medical attention to everyone in time.
- Version 1.6 will be focused around introducing a proper ammo system. The details aren't set in stone so far but the idea is to have different ammo types for each weapon with unique properties, e.g. armor-piercing, hollow point, incendiary, etc. It would be managed through a tab similar to the outfit system wherein you can define what types of ammo a pawn should carry and in what quantities (e.g. 200 FMJ bullets, 60 armor-piercing, etc.) with the pawns automatically filling up their stock. Regular small arms ammo would be plentiful, carried in large quantities and easy to acquire while ammo for heavy weapons such as automatic grenade launchers would be more expensive.
The goal here is to provide a balancing mechanism to heavy weapons such as miniguns and grenade launchers by attaching a cost to their employment while keeping micromanagement to a minimum. The player should only ever have to worry about the big picture of making sure his colony is stocked with ammo, never with making sure an individual pawn is adequately supplied (except in special cases, such as running out of ammo mid-battle).
Furthermore this version will feature an overhaul to the grenade system. Instead of being a weapon, grenades will be equipable items pawns carry in their inventory in addition to their main weapon, allowing pawns to carry a main weapon while employing frag/EMP grenades at tactically opportune moments.
- Version 1.7 will focus on AI. Not only will raiders learn to use all of the above additions effectively, it will also overhaul the way raids work. Instead of being random zerg rushes raids will have clearly defined objectives and employ tactics accordingly. A group of tribals might stage a diversionary attack on one front to draw your attention while an infiltration team breaches your perimeter elsewhere and burns down your crops. A group of pirates might deploy a mortar and spotter to provide fire support to an assault force attacking your defences. When faced with a killbox raiders would not rush blindly into a killzone, instead opting to lob grenades from behind the entry way.
It will also feature a leadership system wherein the presence of high-level enemies will enable advanced tactics. A raid consisting of only low level goons would behave much like vanilla, blindly rushing into enemy defences while a raid lead by a pirate boss would employ a vast variety of tactical maneuvers and intelligently use feints, overwatch, suppression, sniping, flanking and heavy weapons to pound you.
After this version is released I will consider this mod to be feature complete. I will no longer work on adding more content and further releases will be to address balancing issues and bugs only. As of right now I have begun work on rebalancing and the aimed/snapshot system and I am currently aiming to release this version sometime late January to early February.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on December 30, 2015, 06:21:04 PM
So I am now officially back from my long Rimworld vacation and development of this mod has resumed once again. As a heads up, here is my current roadmap:
...
After this version is released I will consider this mod to be feature complete. I will no longer work on adding more content and further releases will be to address balancing issues and bugs only
wow! it sounds very very interesting. Maybe one day it could be integrated in vanilla, would be fantastic!
Not sure if anybody reported it, but I'm unable to see "range circle" of some weapons:
gun is ok, I can see range, but survival rifle has no range displayed.
At first I thought range is bigger than visible area, but then I checked and range is 67 squares, so I expect to see the range circle somewhere.
The same happens with minigun: the "minimum firing distance" circle is visible, but maximum one is hidden.
I tried with just CCL and CR, and eveb restarted the game after enabling mod, but range is still missing.
Another small thing is that it seems (not 100% sure, I just saw it yesterday, but I had several mods active) that artillery shell is craftable both at machining table and the smithing bench
Quote from: arl85 on December 31, 2015, 02:47:05 AM
Not sure if anybody reported it, but I'm unable to see "range circle" of some weapons:
gun is ok, I can see range, but survival rifle has no range displayed.
At first I thought range is bigger than visible area, but then I checked and range is 67 squares, so I expect to see the range circle somewhere.
The same happens with minigun: the "minimum firing distance" circle is visible, but maximum one is hidden.
I tried with just CCL and CR, and eveb restarted the game after enabling mod, but range is still missing.
Another small thing is that it seems (not 100% sure, I just saw it yesterday, but I had several mods active) that artillery shell is craftable both at machining table and the smithing bench
The game is hardcoded not to display circles beyond 50 cells or so. You can see this when adjusting the ingredient search radius on a workbench, if you increase it too far eventually the circle disappears. The artillery shells being craftable from two tables is also a vanilla thing.
Sounds great!
I just wanted to say that I've tried this mod again and again and I was never happy about how the new system handled with other mods. :( If you activate this mod many others they either become too strong or too weak. This is not a criticism, just wanted to say it. Thanks for this awesome mod!!
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on December 30, 2015, 06:21:04 PM
Additionally, it will feature manual hunkering, a new aimed/snapshot mechanic
ideally, it would be nice to have a mode switcher like "no fire/snapshot/aimed".
i really feel that there is need for "no shooting" mode for some situations.
Quote from: Grimandevil on January 12, 2016, 02:12:47 PM
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on December 30, 2015, 06:21:04 PM
Additionally, it will feature manual hunkering, a new aimed/snapshot mechanic
ideally, it would be nice to have a mode switcher like "no fire/snapshot/aimed".
i really feel that there is need for "no shooting" mode for some situations.
The current iteration has a toggle for snapshot burst, aimed burst and aimed single shot but the hold fire toggle is actually a good point. I'll probably add it as a separate toggle to the upcoming release.
I can't seem to get this mod to actually work. It says it's incompatible or broken and won't let me activate it. I'm using the /very/ latest version (914) of Rimworld.
What's up?
I like the sound of the 'soft kill' system the most. It was always a thing with me on why most wounds where either instant-death or took days to kill. Plus, the fact that we can have heart transplants at the ready but never actually get to use them.
Though, a question: How are you planning to have pawns choose ammo? Will they do it on their own like use armor-piercing for mechanoids, normal for people, etc?
Also, I was thinking, won't it be cool if bullets could penetrate obstacles? Like, if the bullet is 'powerful' enough and the obstacle is weak enough, the bullet will punch right through it, loosing some velocity on the way though.
Quote from: Crazytoast42 on January 20, 2016, 07:42:11 PM
I can't seem to get this mod to actually work. It says it's incompatible or broken and won't let me activate it. I'm using the /very/ latest version (914) of Rimworld.
What's up?
Go to your Rimworld folder and open Rimworld914Win_Data, post the output_log.txt here.
Quote from: AllenWL on January 21, 2016, 11:46:47 PM
Though, a question: How are you planning to have pawns choose ammo? Will they do it on their own like use armor-piercing for mechanoids, normal for people, etc?
The details of the ammo system aren't all 100% hammered out yet but my first idea would be to make a toggle to select any of the currently carried ammo types and the pawn will load them on his next reload.
QuoteAlso, I was thinking, won't it be cool if bullets could penetrate obstacles? Like, if the bullet is 'powerful' enough and the obstacle is weak enough, the bullet will punch right through it, loosing some velocity on the way though.
I've had some ideas for a system like that in the past and it would definitely be possible, but never really gave it priority, mainly because it didn't really change much from a gameplay perspective (it would just make the already powerful bullets more powerful and the already good cover like sandbags and chunks more protective). It might make it into the ammo update to add some depth to the ammo and cover systems (i.e. don't use a wooden wall for cover against enemies with penetrating ammo).
Has anyone actually experimented with manned-turrets, they don't work.
Colonist who man them won't fire at hostiles, tribes people just walk up to it and kill the turret while the someone man's it.
Quote from: Headshotkill on January 22, 2016, 09:55:01 AM
Has anyone actually experimented with manned-turrets, they don't work.
Colonist who man them won't fire at hostiles, tribes people just walk up to it and kill the turret while the someone man's it.
You probably ran into an issue with suppression. Currently, pawns manning a turret will just stand around doing nothing if they get suppressed instead of hunkering. Fixing that bug is on my to-do list for the next release.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on January 22, 2016, 11:59:09 AM
Quote from: Headshotkill on January 22, 2016, 09:55:01 AM
Has anyone actually experimented with manned-turrets, they don't work.
Colonist who man them won't fire at hostiles, tribes people just walk up to it and kill the turret while the someone man's it.
You probably ran into an issue with suppression. Currently, pawns manning a turret will just stand around doing nothing if they get suppressed instead of hunkering. Fixing that bug is on my to-do list for the next release.
Good to hear, I'd imagine turrets have a small shield mounted on them to protect the gunner. Otherwise if it was just a gun on a stick you might as well carry like a rifle.
Though I must mention that this same problem happened when a group of tribals, only armed with melee weapons attacked.
Quote from: Headshotkill on January 22, 2016, 12:08:50 PM
Though I must mention that this same problem happened when a group of tribals, only armed with melee weapons attacked.
In that case that sounds like some new bug. Can you post a screenshot of your base layout with some description of the circumstances under which the issue occured?
Question: If limited ammo is introduced will you have to purchase it from a trader or will you be able to craft it?
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on January 22, 2016, 03:06:33 PM
Quote from: Headshotkill on January 22, 2016, 12:08:50 PM
Though I must mention that this same problem happened when a group of tribals, only armed with melee weapons attacked.
In that case that sounds like some new bug. Can you post a screenshot of your base layout with some description of the circumstances under which the issue occured?
(http://s14.postimg.org/n3mkuhn0d/screenshot28.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/n3mkuhn0d/)
It's a very small base, defenses are sandbags surounded by barbed-wire. Turrets have embrasures around them to protect them better.
It did some testing spawning tribal raids and changing the situation and it seems that they do fire, but it's extremely slow.
When the turrets focus on one enemy it takes so much time for them to begin shooting that the enemy already reached the sandbags, if there are multiple enemies storming forward the turret seems to twitch around, not knowing on who to focus first which results in it not firing.
If it does eventually shoot in rare occasions, the small burst of three shots is most of the time not enough to bring someone down, the 6 second cool down of the turret itself is just the last nail in the coffin for it's effectivity.
I tested with turrets and other pawns defending with pistols, they did most of the work, turrets alone testing with 5 enemies storming forward resulted in one burst from two turrets AT MOST.
I also saw wether shooting experience seems to be tied into this system but it doesn't seem to matter, wether a high skilled shooter mans it or a rookie.
The status of the pawn manning the turret usually says 'Manning turret', though very rarely it says 'Watching for targets'.
Doesn't Work for me? And the install steps don't make sense to me? Please Help!
Ahhh, I feel silly. I forgot the CCL mod. >.<
https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=16599.0
Skimmed over the download part, didn't realize I needed it. Took a better peek and figured that out.
Thanks!
Quote from: Headshotkill on January 22, 2016, 05:24:19 PM
(http://s14.postimg.org/n3mkuhn0d/screenshot28.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/n3mkuhn0d/)
Those don't look like CR turrets, I take it they're from some other mod or modpack? If so I'm afraid I can't give you any support for those since I don't know what those mods did or changed that could cause such behavior.
Quote from: Tatte on January 22, 2016, 06:36:58 PM
Doesn't Work for me? And the install steps don't make sense to me? Please Help!
I would've thought the install instructions are pretty straight forward, what is it that you don't understand?
I looked it up, the turrets are from 'Superior Crafting', a special version tweaked to work with A12.
I did some test with turrets provided by your mod and those worked perfectly so you don't have to worry about it.
I have a problem:
I downloaded the Community Core Library, activate it first and it works fine.
But when I activate Combat Realism I get
(http://i.imgur.com/3vnowLZ.png)
I'm running the last version 0.12.914.
Am I doing something wrong?
Quote from: Spare74 on January 24, 2016, 10:01:37 AM
I have a problem:
I downloaded the Community Core Library, activate it first and it works fine.
But when I activate Combat Realism I get
(http://i.imgur.com/3vnowLZ.png)
I'm running the last version 0.12.914.
Am I doing something wrong?
I could solve that by placing Combat realism under or above CCL, using EDB mod order. Play around a bit with which mods start first and could work.
Quote from: Spare74 on January 24, 2016, 10:01:37 AM
I have a problem:
I downloaded the Community Core Library, activate it first and it works fine.
But when I activate Combat Realism I get
(http://i.imgur.com/3vnowLZ.png)
I'm running the last version 0.12.914.
Am I doing something wrong?
Please upload your output_log.txt found in [YourRimworldFolder]/RimWorld914Win_Data/
I gave it another try with EDB mod order and it worked this time even though I loaded it in the exact same order as I did without EDB mod order...
Anyway, it works that's what counts. Thanks for the help.
Still want my log output?
what a brilliant idea..
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Pawns should really have a better awareness of were the bullets are coming from.
Flanking enemies are so tricky when my pawns keep on insisting on taking the 'short path' through the bullets.
The suppression algorithm is very barebones at the moment and needs some refinement to include pathing cost. I'll see about including it in the next update. Speaking off the next update, it's about 70-80% done but I can't continue work on certain features until CCL sorts out one of its experimental new features and I'm hoping it won't take more than a few weeks for that.
Making pawns aware of bullets would be fairly tricky to do in a good way but its definitely on the list for the AI update to make the higher level AI's not cross friendly lines of fire.
hmm, maybe a colonist with enough Negotiation skill could Rally supressed comrades in a limited radius, depending on their suppression level.
need to play less WH..
I'm thinking disabling "looking for cover" for DRAFTED pawns, pawns can huncker down under heavy suppression but will hold the position(for tactical reason)
and another thing about weapon ranges/projectile speed:
I think the default weapon ranges/projectile speed in this mod is not fitting gameplay well, in my mod i'm using square root method to rebalance the ranges and projectile speed:
range = 2*√real life effectiv range / projectile speed = 5*√real life muzzle velocity
for example pistol:
range = 2*√50 = 14 / projectile speed = 5*√384 = 98
for example sniper rifle:
range = 2*√1200 = 69 / projectile speed = 5*√830 = 144
I note that a IED doesn't give fragments when it explodes? Or was that because I had mine in a very narrow corner?
I have an errror, i cant build any turrets, also i cant find them in help section
Quote from: AllenWL on January 30, 2016, 06:22:26 AM
I note that a IED doesn't give fragments when it explodes? Or was that because I had mine in a very narrow corner?
The IED explosion actually works on a completely different principle than weapons, programming wise. I never bothered adding any fragmentation effects mostly because I never use them.
Quote from: WolfgangPolska on February 02, 2016, 02:54:47 AM
I have an errror, i cant build any turrets, also i cant find them in help section
Working as intended, see the bottom of the feature list.
OK, but can you bring trenches back? Or it is impossible in alpha 12?
Quote from: WolfgangPolska on February 02, 2016, 04:41:10 AM
OK, but can you bring trenches back? Or it is impossible in alpha 12?
It is possible but it would require some extra code additions to the aiming system that may or may not make it into the next update (depends mostly on how long its going to take to finish XCOM 2).
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on February 02, 2016, 03:39:07 AM
Quote from: AllenWL on January 30, 2016, 06:22:26 AM
I note that a IED doesn't give fragments when it explodes?
The IED explosion actually works on a completely different principle than weapons, programming wise. I never bothered adding any fragmentation effects mostly because I never use them.
u can lay some shells around it, with IED acting as a primer, for the desired result ;)
Quote from: Grimandevil on February 03, 2016, 02:35:05 PM
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on February 02, 2016, 03:39:07 AM
Quote from: AllenWL on January 30, 2016, 06:22:26 AM
I note that a IED doesn't give fragments when it explodes?
The IED explosion actually works on a completely different principle than weapons, programming wise. I never bothered adding any fragmentation effects mostly because I never use them.
u can lay some shells around it, with IED acting as a primer, for the desired result ;)
Shells deteriorate, plus spending a extra 10 steel isn't really something I want to do. And then there is the hassle of amount and dragging them back and all that.
I thought about placing them in places to take out so I could take out multiple enemies at once, but I guess I could just use a mortar.
somehow i thought, shell explosion gives fragments, but it doesnt. nevermind then.
This might be a silly question, but what does combat realism do for melee combat? I mean, there are tons of ranged-weapon things, but what about the melee weapons? I can't see much of a difference between vanilla melee combat and combat realism melee combat.
Edit: Also, I note bows don't have ammo?
Quote from: AllenWL on February 06, 2016, 06:36:59 AM
This might be a silly question, but what does combat realism do for melee combat? I mean, there are tons of ranged-weapon things, but what about the melee weapons? I can't see much of a difference between vanilla melee combat and combat realism melee combat.
Edit: Also, I note bows don't have ammo?
So far melee is only affected through some minor cooldown and damage changes and it takes advantage of the armor penetration system but not much else beyond. Next version features some additions like parry/dodge chance depending on melee skill and more accurate body height detection (so no more getting your nose bitten off by a tortoise) but that's about it. Frankly, I've been having trouble finding a niche for melee to exist in. It doesn't do anything a shotgun or SMG couldn't do just as well or better, so it kinda ends up obsolete as soon as you have proper firearms.
Bows used to have ammo at some point but I removed it because it didn't really make sense. They'd just reload after every shot and spam the reloaded mote over and over and you can't really keep a bow "loaded" to begin with.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on February 07, 2016, 03:45:55 AM
Quote from: AllenWL on February 06, 2016, 06:36:59 AM
This might be a silly question, but what does combat realism do for melee combat? I mean, there are tons of ranged-weapon things, but what about the melee weapons? I can't see much of a difference between vanilla melee combat and combat realism melee combat.
Edit: Also, I note bows don't have ammo?
So far melee is only affected through some minor cooldown and damage changes and it takes advantage of the armor penetration system but not much else beyond. Next version features some additions like parry/dodge chance depending on melee skill and more accurate body height detection (so no more getting your nose bitten off by a tortoise) but that's about it. Frankly, I've been having trouble finding a niche for melee to exist in. It doesn't do anything a shotgun or SMG couldn't do just as well or better, so it kinda ends up obsolete as soon as you have proper firearms.
Bows used to have ammo at some point but I removed it because it didn't really make sense. They'd just reload after every shot and spam the reloaded mote over and over and you can't really keep a bow "loaded" to begin with.
Bows aside, I find melee weapons extremely useful.
Combined with other elements (including a mod that adds a solid shield), but still...
Enemies who think it's a good idea to drop right on top of my little colony, including centipedes, get their balls handed over to them by my melee units (with their army of animals).
Forcing ranged units into melee combat where they're clearly inferior, preventing them to use their
OP realistic firearms, it's just extremely useful.
More than if I had those colonists equipped with the best legendary weapons.
Not kidding, 3 of my colonists with maces bashed two centipedes to death far more quickly than 8 of my colonists equipped with sniper/assault rifles did, without taking casualties.
...That is, if I don't count the ~2-3 dead boars a centipede squashed while they were keeping it occupied. But no colonists (or furniture) was lost! Pinky swear! ;D
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on February 07, 2016, 03:45:55 AM
Quote from: AllenWL on February 06, 2016, 06:36:59 AM
This might be a silly question, but what does combat realism do for melee combat? I mean, there are tons of ranged-weapon things, but what about the melee weapons? I can't see much of a difference between vanilla melee combat and combat realism melee combat.
Edit: Also, I note bows don't have ammo?
So far melee is only affected through some minor cooldown and damage changes and it takes advantage of the armor penetration system but not much else beyond. Next version features some additions like parry/dodge chance depending on melee skill and more accurate body height detection (so no more getting your nose bitten off by a tortoise) but that's about it. Frankly, I've been having trouble finding a niche for melee to exist in. It doesn't do anything a shotgun or SMG couldn't do just as well or better, so it kinda ends up obsolete as soon as you have proper firearms.
Bows used to have ammo at some point but I removed it because it didn't really make sense. They'd just reload after every shot and spam the reloaded mote over and over and you can't really keep a bow "loaded" to begin with.
Like stated, I find melee a great thing to use if
1: You don't mind loosing some people
2: Have loads of troops(mostly animals)
3: Have good cover
Seriously. A melee unit behind cover can leap out and pretty much slaughter any gunner that gets near. And I'll say this. A shotgun SMG might be better if you have to run at them from the very edge of their range, but if run in while they're reloading, or ambush them, melee is defiantly superior.
Of course one of the problems in melee is that it's still bit of a hit-and-miss, so your soldiers usually end up with bruises all over unless the get one-hit-kills every time.
You can't keep a bow loaded but you can keep a quiver loaded... which is still rather redundant because you can't actually reload a quiver. Well, you can, but you just don't carry arrows to do so.
Quick question.
Is it possible for something like a blackpowder musket to be implemented? Something like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_Bess
I have been looking at a musket mod for Rimworld before, but most of them are several Alphas old at this point.
This is kinda random, but won't it be cool if arrows could switch between straight shooting, like guns, and a overhead shooting, like mortars?
Quote from: Boston on February 09, 2016, 01:58:28 PM
Quick question.
Is it possible for something like a blackpowder musket to be implemented? Something like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_Bess
I have been looking at a musket mod for Rimworld before, but most of them are several Alphas old at this point.
I'm not sure what your question here is. If you're asking me about whether blackpowder firearms can be implement in this mod's framework then yes, they're no different from regular firearms in that regard. If you're asking me whether I can add actual muskets to this mod directly then no, this is primarily a balance mod, not a gun mod and I try to avoid feature creep as much as possible.
Quote from: AllenWL on February 11, 2016, 11:15:07 PM
This is kinda random, but won't it be cool if arrows could switch between straight shooting, like guns, and a overhead shooting, like mortars?
I actually had a debate on that subject not too long ago but in the context of throwing grenades over walls. It is possible to implement but I'm not too big on the idea because it would a) be a niche case (how often are you fighting enemies a few tiles out from a wall with no roof above either you or the enemy? Only time I can think of is breaching ancient ruins) and b) it relies heavily on the fact the game has no FoW so you could throw grenades/pila/arrows at enemies you realistically would have no way of knowing are there. Hence I'm not too keen on the idea.
Eh, just thought it might be a nice way of taking care of sappers or manhunter packs.
Then again, that is rather a narrow usage. On the other hand, it might be a way to attack pawns that are hunkered down/suppressed. On the other other hand, there are tons of ways to deal with that anyways so...
Edit:
For some reason, it looks like if you install the 'mad skills' mod with combat realism, the reload button disappears?
Quote from: AllenWL on February 12, 2016, 09:16:25 AM
Edit:
For some reason, it looks like if you install the 'mad skills' mod with combat realism, the reload button disappears?
I have both and the button appears.
My problem is that the traders never have any of the "Defense" pack turrets.
Quote from: Dugalle900 on February 19, 2016, 10:47:49 PM
My problem is that the traders never have any of the "Defense" pack turrets.
Do you have any other mods making changes to combat suppliers?
Not that I can think of. I checked the TraderKind def file on the ones that I though might have changed the combat suplier but didn't find anything. Anyway, here are my mods in case I missed something:
http://imgur.com/YxgKYGT (http://imgur.com/YxgKYGT)
http://imgur.com/fI6omLL (http://imgur.com/fI6omLL)
http://imgur.com/6C1DiXP (http://imgur.com/6C1DiXP)
Quote from: Dugalle900 on February 19, 2016, 10:47:49 PM
Quote from: AllenWL on February 12, 2016, 09:16:25 AM
Edit:
For some reason, it looks like if you install the 'mad skills' mod with combat realism, the reload button disappears?
I have both and the button appears.
My problem is that the traders never have any of the "Defense" pack turrets.
Looks like it was a problem because I added it in after, because things were fine when I started a new game.
Also, it looks like more mechanoids loaded before this causes a crash, but more mechanoids loaded after this doesn't.
This mod has something wrong (or right I suppose) with More Mechanoids. I added it in and the turrets started showing up on the combat traders :o
Hello,
I just downloaded the newest version of the Vegetable Garden Mod, and now Combat Realism isn't working. When I start a game, CR isn't one of the mods labelled as working on the "debug start" popup, and my pawns don't get the CR "addons" for firearms: ammunition, all that.
Here is a list of my mods, in order:
Core
EdB Mod Order
Vegetable Garden
Animal Hide working
COntainers for Stuff
EdB Prepare carefully
Enviro SK
Fish Industry
Medieval Shields
Micellaneous HiRes
More Factions Spawn
Modular Tables
Right tool for the Job
Tools for Hauling
Fences
Rimhair
Community Core Library
CCL-Vanilla Tweaks
Combat Realism Core
Combat realism defense pack
Any pointers?
Still have yet to try this mod :P
So RL being what it is I've been kinda busy as of late so progress on the next update has slowed down (that and I've been working on another mod project for XCOM 2 since that's out now). Now I've freed up some time though and I've made a good bit of progress towards finishing the next big CR update so here's a little preview (http://i.imgur.com/LmCD2CW.jpg) of what I've been working on recently:
One of the biggest problems of the new aiming system was how intransparent it was. A lot of it came down to it displaying outdated or inaccurate stats and hit probabilities that didn't correspond to anything. This next update I'm focusing on polishing the existing systems rather than adding new content and part of that is tidying up the UI and displays. Guns will now display their stats properly and the tooltip box that appears when you hover over an enemy won't tell you about vanilla hit chances that have no bearing on anything but show actually relevant data. This should cut down on confusion for users and hopefully make previously obtuse systems much more accessible and understandable.
Quote from: Boston on February 27, 2016, 06:42:37 AM
Any pointers?
Nothing in the modlist stands out to me at first glance, does the output_log.txt say anything?
btw, could you maybe include ammo capacity and reload time in the weapon info window? if theres still some space left.
This could just be me, but the spread weapon sway might as well be the old vanilla values to me.
I can't even begin to guess what 0.06 degrees might be like, or how a 0.70 weapon sway would effect colonist accuracy other then 'smaller values=(probably)more accurate'
Quote from: AllenWL on March 03, 2016, 01:44:38 AM
This could just be me, but the spread weapon sway might as well be the old vanilla values to me.
I can't even begin to guess what 0.06 degrees might be like, or how a 0.70 weapon sway would effect colonist accuracy other then 'smaller values=(probably)more accurate'
The hover texts for those stats could help with explaining that. Weapon sway is
the amplitude of a lissajous figure which is proportional to a spread angle perpendicular to the target, basically pawns wiggle a bit when holding their gun and that pattern is visualized by a lissajous figure.
(http://mathforum.org/mathimages/imgUpload/thumb/Lissajous3by4.png/250px-Lissajous3by4.png)
The middle would be a shot directly into the target and anything away from the middle is a spread in
degrees away from the perfect shot. The position on the lissajous curve is updated every tick, meaning you see a nice lissajous pattern when shooting a gun.
The spread value of a gun indicates
a limit to a random angle deviation which only plays a role upon firing the gun and it's a consequence of having low health firearms around (or poorly produced ones). The only way to influence this is to have high quality, good health firearms though since it's a limit of a random function it's unlikely for your guns to miss fire constantly even at very high bullet spread.
Quote from: AllenWL on March 03, 2016, 01:44:38 AM
This could just be me, but the spread weapon sway might as well be the old vanilla values to me.
I can't even begin to guess what 0.06 degrees might be like, or how a 0.70 weapon sway would effect colonist accuracy other then 'smaller values=(probably)more accurate'
That's expected. Its one of the downsides of using a complicated system like this, conveying the mechanics to the player becomes difficult. Aside from including more detailed descriptions of the various stats there will also be tooltips when hovering over a target that give you a better idea of the practical effects. For example hovering over a charging raider would tell you that your pawn will be able to lead him with up to 0.3 cells accuracy and going over the stat descriptions would tell you that a pawn's aiming skill is multiplied by the gun's accuracy stat to calculate how accurately you will be able to lead a target.
Even so I imagine a number of people won't quite understand every nuance of the system but I think that's fine. The important thing is that if you know general principles like less spread is more accurate and that sway scales with shooting skill, etc. you can make informed decisions based on that and compare different guns more fairly. Before you might see a gun that has better accuracy values and think it is better than another gun but it actually had more spread and sway and was therefore worse, etc.
Lastly I kept hearing about people who saw the vanilla tooltips about shots having x% chance to hit and thinking those were accurate numbers so even if people take nothing from the new values at least they won't be mislead by old values that don't correspond to anything anymore.
Quote from: Grimandevil on March 02, 2016, 02:32:59 PM
btw, could you maybe include ammo capacity and reload time in the weapon info window? if theres still some space left.
Certain stats probably won't make it into the info window proper but they will be listed in the description of the weapon itself. E.g. the description for a survival rifle would read something like "Probably pulled from a basement somewhere. armor penetration 70%, magazine size: 10, reload time 3 s". This is due to technical limitations and can't be changed without a lot of effort on my part so this will have to do for now.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on March 03, 2016, 04:58:03 AM
Quote from: AllenWL on March 03, 2016, 01:44:38 AM
This could just be me, but the spread weapon sway might as well be the old vanilla values to me.
I can't even begin to guess what 0.06 degrees might be like, or how a 0.70 weapon sway would effect colonist accuracy other then 'smaller values=(probably)more accurate'
That's expected. Its one of the downsides of using a complicated system like this, conveying the mechanics to the player becomes difficult. Aside from including more detailed descriptions of the various stats there will also be tooltips when hovering over a target that give you a better idea of the practical effects. For example hovering over a charging raider would tell you that your pawn will be able to lead him with up to 0.3 cells accuracy and going over the stat descriptions would tell you that a pawn's aiming skill is multiplied by the gun's accuracy stat to calculate how accurately you will be able to lead a target.
Even so I imagine a number of people won't quite understand every nuance of the system but I think that's fine. The important thing is that if you know general principles like less spread is more accurate and that sway scales with shooting skill, etc. you can make informed decisions based on that and compare different guns more fairly. Before you might see a gun that has better accuracy values and think it is better than another gun but it actually had more spread and sway and was therefore worse, etc.
Lastly I kept hearing about people who saw the vanilla tooltips about shots having x% chance to hit and thinking those were accurate numbers so even if people take nothing from the new values at least they won't be mislead by old values that don't correspond to anything anymore.
Quote from: Grimandevil on March 02, 2016, 02:32:59 PM
btw, could you maybe include ammo capacity and reload time in the weapon info window? if theres still some space left.
Certain stats probably won't make it into the info window proper but they will be listed in the description of the weapon itself. E.g. the description for a survival rifle would read something like "Probably pulled from a basement somewhere. armor penetration 70%, magazine size: 10, reload time 3 s". This is due to technical limitations and can't be changed without a lot of effort on my part so this will have to do for now.
I think it'll be nice to have a bit more text explaining the stats a bit more.
Like, whether a higher shooting skill can reduce that value or something.
I mean, I can guess that aiming accuracy is probably how well you can point at a target with the gun, sway is how much the gun is moving, and spread is how much the bullet can deviate from the 'crosshair' when shot, but it's difficulty to know which stats effects what more.
Like, will a weapon with small spread but large sway be better or worse towards a weapon with small sway but large spread?
Will I benefit from giving my small spread, large sway weapon to my best shooter, or worst?
Or a 'general accuracy' which could be something like 'the accuracy if a pawn with 10 shooting skill was using this weapon on a stationary target' which lets us compare things easier
NoImageAvailable thanks so much for this mod. I find it amazing. However can I request apart from transparency in the detail of the mechanics could you also please consider addressing harmony with the 3rd party shield mods. I saw some messaging to do with the bullet velocity is too high and renders some of the new shields ineffective? With this resolved I would have utopia in my rimworld universe :)
Thanks again!
The shield generator building things do already have problems with base game bullets skipping over them, and making either projectiles or shields check for the other every tick will introduce large amounts of lag. One way to fix that is to make things check whether they're inside of the shield once they're hit and make them act accordingly, alas this is not what such shield mods do.
With detouring this is more possible than it was. Ill be looking at this in the near future.
Tried installing this a bunch of times - but the "Combat realism core" seems to crash the game; And I do put it below the community core mod?
Edit; I downloaded the "source" for the Community core mod.. which was the wrong one - sorry, problem on my end xD
I like combat realism, but the supression mechanic allied with the fact that the AI dont shoot trough enclosed embrasures means that most attacks are just turkey shootings. They came, get supressed by LMG (or other rapid fire weapon) and dont shoot back. You just send a few people with LMGs to the wall, replace them when tired and keep shooting until they retreat.
Quote from: Kadrush on March 08, 2016, 07:58:46 AM
I like combat realism, but the supression mechanic allied with the fact that the AI dont shoot trough enclosed embrasures means that most attacks are just turkey shootings. They came, get supressed by LMG (or other rapid fire weapon) and dont shoot back. You just send a few people with LMGs to the wall, replace them when tired and keep shooting until they retreat.
it is true, that at first they ignore shooting at embrasures, but when being fired from, they actually reconsider and fire back, also taking defensive positions.
Got CRD pack; its causing issues with the traders. The trade windows just appears blank, with only the silver showing on top
Quote from: RimVarl on March 08, 2016, 12:14:03 PM
Got CRD pack; its causing issues with the traders. The trade windows just appears blank, with only the silver showing on top
Blank traders is usually an issue with the order of the mods. Try to use the EBD mod order, place core and CCL in first and second, all EBD mods at last and it should be ok.
On the other hand, supression mechanic is CR related or related with mods with CR patchs. I mean, Rimsenal has a CR beta patch, which means that their weapons have ammo (except energy ones) and can cause supression. Glitter tech doenst so I am not sure if their weapons would cause supression in a game with CR activated.Same goes for mods that add turrets.
In keeping with making the mod more transparent I have decided to highlight the new features via live stream. I'll be joined by several other modders as I playtest the upcoming release.
We'll begin tomorrow at about 7pm GMT so head over to Twitch (https://www.twitch.tv/imagenotavailable) if you want a preview of the upcoming release and/or to watch me get my ass kicked by Centipedes as my colonists throw temper tantrums in the middle of a firefight.
speaking of ammo system, maybe there should be a severe limitation for carried ammo (u dont expect your cook to walk around hung with machineguns belts), but also ammo sacks, that increace carried amount but give working\moving penalties.
NIA is streaming now btw.
https://www.twitch.tv/imagenotavailable
Stream is over but I don't think it was much of a success in terms of showing off features. I'm curious as to what people who watched it think, was it any good in terms of showing off the new stuff? I'll probably try out a different format in the future with either an LP style format using edited videos on Youtube or I'll eventually whip up some AAR style screenshot guide since people did express interest for that in the past.
Alternatively if people don't really care about this sort of thing I'll just leave the promotion alone and focus on working on the mod first and foremost. Let me know your thoughts.
I prefer AAR screenshot style, not a fan of Twitch.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on March 10, 2016, 05:00:06 PM
Stream is over but I don't think it was much of a success in terms of showing off features. I'm curious as to what people who watched it think, was it any good in terms of showing off the new stuff?
i had to leave after 1st half of stream, so i cant be sure. but i think, since the point is to demonstrate combat features, u can start with already developed colony (basic buildings, more colonists, harsher raids), so u can focus on actual fighting.
(idk what is AAR) :-[
Okay I absolutely love this mod in the modpacks. But after trying to install it myself, the game says it is incompatible. Do I have the wrong version of the CCL or something? Because the log mentions that a Fallback Handler could not load a library.
Here is a screenshot of my load order http://imgur.com/FhP3rKZ ,
output log is attached.
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Quote from: Grimandevil on March 11, 2016, 02:15:24 PM
(idk what is AAR) :-[
AAR: After Action Report
You test something out and later make a report of it with screenshots and text explaining what you did and stuff, I too prefer this over streams and I think it's a lot clearer and easier to do.
so i installed the mod and i been having issue with the resarch bench every time i try to use this mod any suggestion?
Progress update: the final feature for this new version made it in today. One of the big problems when fighting mechanoids was that the only way to kill them was to grind down the health on some very tough external body parts or hope for a lucky headshot. This lead to firefights often becoming a drag as you slowly plinked away at massive health pools. This changes now:
(http://i.imgur.com/mWOWwsl.png)
Mechanoids now have internal components that fulfill a similar role as the vital organs on humans. If you have a weapon tough enough to penetrate through the outer armor then you'll be able to do some serious damage to those internals. Every internal component damaged will seriously impair a mech's ability to fight back effectively, destroy enough critical components and the mech dies straight up. One good hit with a rocket launcher or mortar will cripple if not outright kill a Centipede.
To compensate, mechs had their armor values increased and are overall more capable of withstanding fire from non-penetrating shots. So it is now much more about bringing the right tools for the job, heavy weapons and explosives eat through Centipedes while regular small arms will plink away ineffectually.
Now that the final feature addition made it in I only need to fix a few outstanding bugs and the update will finally be ready for public release, hopefully in a few days from now.
Quote from: SUbzero0143 on March 16, 2016, 12:09:12 PM
so i installed the mod and i been having issue with the resarch bench every time i try to use this mod any suggestion?
This mod doesn't touch research so I suspect another mod is causing whatever issue you have. If you want more help you'll need to provide an actual description of your issue as well as your mod list and output_log.txt.
Cool. The only qualm I have is that vanilla doesn't have a lot of heavy weapons(the only heavy weapon I can think of in vanilla is the sniper rifle and maybe the assault rifle), so if you don't like having weapon mods, you'll have to use explosives, and those can be tricky or impractical to use at times.
Vanilla has the charge rifle which can semi-reliably penetrate Centipede armor and the next release also includes changes to the mortar that'll make scoring direct hits easier. Beyond that you always have rocket launchers and grenades. Its not much variety but then you're playing with only vanilla guns so that's the logical consequence, isn't it?
Update
Version 1.5.0 is finally here. Major focuses for this release were rebalancing and making things transparent and almost every mechanics has been adjusted in some way. Insofar I'd like to hear people's feedback on the overall balance and helpfulness of the information presented so I can make further improvements if necessary. In other news I have moved from Dropbox to GitHub for new releases.
Now onto the new mechanical additions:
Firing modes
(http://i.imgur.com/z6uF7Y8.png)
All weapons can now switch between aimed and snapshot. Snapshot behaves exactly as vanilla whereas aimed shot will reduce weapon sway by an amount depending on the shooter's aiming accuracy. This means that high level shooters will be able to negate weapon sway almost entirely by using aimed shots. The downside is that after the weapon finishes its warmup phase the pawn will take a short while to take aim before firing with the exact time depending on the distance to the target.
Automatic weapons will have the option of toggling between single, burst and full auto fire. Single shot is self-explanatory, burst fire fires short controlled bursts for when you want to snipe a certain target and full auto fires long bursts ideal for suppressing a target.
Artillery spotting
(http://i.imgur.com/sdyXQGs.png)
Mortars have been rebalanced. Overall the destructive potential of individual shells is lower, fragmentation in particular has been reduced quite a bit. To compensate, base accuracy is now much better. However, indirect fire now carries a steep penalty with it and will severely reduce accuracy to the tune of 20% of distance in cells as additional miss radius. So for example firing at a target you can't see 100 cells away would mean the shell will have deviations of up to 20 cells in addition to all the regular inaccuracy.
There are two ways to avoid this penalty: the first is to have direct sight of the target. This means the thing your mortar is shooting at has to be within 107 cells (same range as a sniper rifle or machine gun) and have unobstructed line of sight to the operator. For example, if you place your mortar behind your defensive line where it can see the enemies fighting your colonists it will be able to deliver accurate fire support with no penalties.
The other way is to employ spotters. Combat suppliers will carry binoculars that you can equip in place of a regular weapon. You can then manually designate either a specific object or location on the ground to be marked. This will place a red marker on the target. If you target a cell or pawn marked in such a way with your mortar, not only will it not incur indirect fire penalties, it will also receive a boost in accuracy compared to direct fire so its always worth it to mark targets even if you have line of sight on it.
Keep in mind that turrets now account for operator skill when determining accuracy and spotting also takes into account the accuracy of the spotter so giving your binoculars and mortar to the guys with 0 shooting and cataracts might not be the best idea.
Upon loading this mod in on the mod menu, the errors related to combat realism in this log showed up https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B29IXwitTppednV1ck5COHZDUEE/view?usp=sharing. If I could get assistance that would be appreciated, thanks.
Doesn't say anywhere what version of Rimworld its for, fix your bullshit!!1 NIA, you can do better!\
Anyways, I tried it on A12 and it worked...
Love this mod so far but Its bugged so omg sucks. Also could you add multiplayer
Bullshit lazy modders wasting peoples time11!
Quote from: falconbunker on March 20, 2016, 01:55:39 PM
Upon loading this mod in on the mod menu, the errors related to combat realism in this log showed up https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B29IXwitTppednV1ck5COHZDUEE/view?usp=sharing. If I could get assistance that would be appreciated, thanks.
Let me guess, you're running Rimfire/some other weapon mod that offered a compatibility patch for the old version?
Yeah I am, but they said it was for the new version of combat realism, going to check again to see if the site I uploaded from didn't have the new version of the weapon mod in question.
Edit: It's fixed now, keep up the good work this is a great mod.
Quote from: falconbunker on March 20, 2016, 02:13:51 PM
Yeah I am, but they said it was for the new one, going to check again to see if the site I uploaded from didn't have the new version of rimfire yet.
It seems the patch was packaged incorrectly, I talked to alistaire about it and it should be fixed now.
I looked a youtube video of the mod before i got it and noticed all the colonists had like a little reload icon so i would know how many bullets left till reload, i dont seem to have that? Is that an intentional update or why do i not have it.
Quote from: SwiftShadow on March 21, 2016, 05:28:22 PM
I looked a youtube video of the mod before i got it and noticed all the colonists had like a little reload icon so i would know how many bullets left till reload, i dont seem to have that? Is that an intentional update or why do i not have it.
The reload gizmos should still be there. What gun(s) is/are having the issue?
The very first survival rifle when i start the game, wanted to test out how it is.
I also use the EdBInterface mod for a better UI.
VeinMiner mod that lets me set colonists to mine an entire vein.
[A11 Hairs] AnimuHair mod that just adds haircuts
and TMods-191 that adds more floors and bed colors.
None of these mods should have anything to do with the guns and the shooting that this mod changes.
Also after adding this mod my research tab is eamty, i tried disabling all other mods, and still doesnt work.
Please attach your output_log.txt here (its in YourRimworldFolder/Rimworld914Win_Data). Also, did you remember to restart Rimworld after opening the mod menu (i.e. did you just go into the mod menu, activate the mod and go straight into the game from there)?
ok after the restart it wont let me activate your mods at all, says recovered from incompliteble mod errors and disables them all.
my activate order was
1 Core
2 Community core library v0.12.6
3 Community core library - Vanilla Tweaks
4 Combat realism core
5 Comnat realism defence pack
and i cant attach the file it is too large, it is 776 kb, but the max forums let is 600 kb
Quote from: SwiftShadow on March 21, 2016, 06:37:24 PM
ok after the restart it wont let me activate your mods at all, says recovered from incompliteble mod errors and disables them all.
my activate order was
1 Core
2 Community core library - Vanilla Tweaks
3 Community core library v0.12.6
4 Combat realism core
5 Comnat realism defence pack
and i cant attach the file it is too large, it is 776 kb, but the max forums let is 600 kb
CCL Vanilla Tweaks must be placed below CCL. Also I went ahead and tested it and yes, its a case of not restarting after changing the mod order.
Rimworld has a well-known issue where any time you open up the mod menu it'll cause random issues ingame. The only fix is to restart the game every time you open the mod menu.
yea i figured the order out already, and also started the game as admin which fixed the whole it saying the mods are incompatible and it loads them.
But i still dont see any of that ammo reloading or research.
After i removed the Community Core Library - Vanilla Tweaks from the load mod lists and only did.
1. Core
2. Community Core Library -
3. Realsim
4. Defence pack
with that mod order research options came back and the colonists have the reload icons and stuff.
However when i went to security tab it now has bobwire, but doesn't have turrets anymore?
Also does the defence pack make the game to easy? Dont really want to lose the vanilla difficulty.
Like i noticed it has walls that u can shoot through, dont that make sandbags totally useless?
Quote from: SwiftShadow on March 21, 2016, 06:49:11 PM
yea i figured the order out already, and also started the game as admin which fixed the whole it saying the mods are incompatible and it loads them.
But i still dont see any of that ammo reloading or research.
After i removed the Community Core Library - Vanilla Tweaks from the load mod lists and only did.
1. Core
2. Community Core Library -
3. Realsim
4. Defence pack
with that mod order research options came back and the colonists have the reload icons and stuff.
However when i went to security tab it now has bobwire, but doesn't have turrets anymore?
Also does the defence pack make the game to easy? Dont really want to lose the vanilla difficulty.
Like i noticed it has walls that u can shoot through, dont that make sandbags totally useless?
Against the tiny vanilla raids yes , these defence increases will make lift alot easier, however if your playing with mods that increase colony wealth greatly then these will give you a fighting chance when raids of 50+ become normal.
Quote from: Mrshilka on March 21, 2016, 11:04:02 PM
Quote from: SwiftShadow on March 21, 2016, 06:49:11 PM
yea i figured the order out already, and also started the game as admin which fixed the whole it saying the mods are incompatible and it loads them.
But i still dont see any of that ammo reloading or research.
After i removed the Community Core Library - Vanilla Tweaks from the load mod lists and only did.
1. Core
2. Community Core Library -
3. Realsim
4. Defence pack
with that mod order research options came back and the colonists have the reload icons and stuff.
However when i went to security tab it now has bobwire, but doesn't have turrets anymore?
Also does the defence pack make the game to easy? Dont really want to lose the vanilla difficulty.
Like i noticed it has walls that u can shoot through, dont that make sandbags totally useless?
Against the tiny vanilla raids yes , these defence increases will make lift alot easier, however if your playing with mods that increase colony wealth greatly then these will give you a fighting chance when raids of 50+ become normal.
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so it would prolly be better to play with out the defence mod added
(shameless pandering)
Thanks for the great mod, Image.
Has anyone ever thought about allowing pawns to equip small weapons like daggers along with guns?
Quote from: roy2x on March 22, 2016, 09:37:40 PM
Has anyone ever thought about allowing pawns to equip small weapons like daggers along with guns?
Its a common idea actually and incidentally what I am working on right now. Next CR release will feature a proper inventory system based around item weight and bulk, as well as a fully fledged ammo system. You'll be able to carry various sidearms if you want to, however it will also mean carrying less ammo, grenades and other things into battle.
I guess next update, I'll actually start having to build little shacks/huts where my pawns can run off to grab ammo/grenades/etc during/before fights rather then have every combat thing ever in whatever storage area I have.
Also, there where comments on various things about the updade, but the 'update' post only talks about the mortar and firing modes. Are those it, or are there other content in the update(like the mechanoid rebalance thing?)
The Update post only explains the new mechanical additions, for a more complete changelog see the release page on github.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on March 23, 2016, 05:21:22 AM
Its a common idea actually and incidentally what I am working on right now. Next CR release will feature a proper inventory system based around item weight and bulk, as well as a fully fledged ammo system. You'll be able to carry various sidearms if you want to, however it will also mean carrying less ammo, grenades and other things into battle.
Wow, cant wait for it.
Thought about that few days ago, because bring melee fighters through all map is annoying.
Also - what is - <recoilOffsetX>(0.0, 0.50)</recoilOffsetX>
<recoilOffsetY>(0.0, 0.19)</recoilOffsetY>
Something with fire spreading? So what is X and where is Y?
How exactly do the binoculars work? I draft a colonist who has the binoculars equipped, and tell them to mark a target. A small red crosshair appears where the target was at the time of the marking, but the mortar shell trajectories don't really change much, they're equally random, even after marking. Am I doing something wrong?
Quote from: rtmdchnk on March 23, 2016, 03:10:00 PM
Also - what is - <recoilOffsetX>(0.0, 0.50)</recoilOffsetX>
<recoilOffsetY>(0.0, 0.19)</recoilOffsetY>
Something with fire spreading? So what is X and where is Y?
It determines recoil patterns. In this case it means recoil will shift the target 0-0.5 degrees on the x axis and 0-0.19 degrees on the y axis.
Quote from: Frug on March 24, 2016, 07:43:39 PM
How exactly do the binoculars work? I draft a colonist who has the binoculars equipped, and tell them to mark a target. A small red crosshair appears where the target was at the time of the marking, but the mortar shell trajectories don't really change much, they're equally random, even after marking. Am I doing something wrong?
You're probably using the gizmo button to designate targets. This will tell your spotter to mark the cell, rather than the pawn you click. To target a pawn right-click it and use the fire at command. For the mortar you have to use the forced target button and set it to attack the pawn/cell that has been marked and it should have its accuracy improved.
With the ongoing work on the ammo system I am currently contemplating two different designs:
One is to use in-depth ammo calibers so every weapon would use its corresponding real world caliber. For example an AK-74 would use 5.45mm Soviet bullets whereas the M-16 would require 5.56mm NATO. The other system would be general types of caliber for each class of weapon, so the AK-74 and M-16 would both use small rifle ammo whereas a sniper rifle would use large rifle ammo.
For normal vanilla gameplay the difference would be negligible due to the low weapon count. It would only start coming into play in combination with weapon mods that add more gun types to the game, in which case the detailed system would provide an element of logistics. That is, you could equip your pawns with a mix of AK's and M-16's but it would mean more hassle managing your ammo stockpiles so you'd be encouraged to limit yourself to weapons using the same ammo types. The generic system would be more streamlined and allow employing a larger variety of guns without having to consider logistics.
As I am currently undecided on the matter I've created a strawpoll (http://strawpoll.me/7178957) where people can vote on their own preference so I can get an idea of where everyone stands.
Can you add a option so as to enable or disable ammunition? Maybe when you are creating a new colony? If not, ok.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on March 25, 2016, 07:34:45 AM
That is, you could equip your pawns with a mix of AK's and M-16's but it would mean more hassle managing your ammo stockpiles so you'd be encouraged to limit yourself to weapons using the same ammo types. The generic system would be more streamlined and allow employing a larger variety of guns without having to consider logistics.
I think it would have the opposite effect. The generic ammo system would allow you to just stick with one type of gun, but the specific ammo system would force you to get a larger verity of weapons.
The reason I think this will happen is thus:
A genetic system means a single 'rifle bullet' works for all rifles. While this does indeed mean you can get more rifles of different type, it also means you can just stick with rifles of one type-after all, any rifle ammo you find will work.
However, on the individual ammo system, you'll have to stock up on weapons and ammo of all types, or risk running out. Why? Because there's no grantee the next combat trader or pirate merchant or whoever will have the ammo you need. If you stick with just 'rifle A', you'll need 'rifle ammo A' to use all your rifles, meaning it's a lot easier to run out.
Instead, you'll need to stock up on more types of rifles, so when a trader or drop pod comes with rifle ammo, there is a higher chance that one of your guns can use it, and therefor a higher chance that you'll be amble to replenish ammo on a gun. You'll need to get a verity of guns to make sure at least one type of ammo fits a gun you have.
This means with the individual ammo system, you'll need a
bigger selection of guns, not a smaller one.
Either that, or you'll have to use melee weapons when ammo runs out.
I suppose you can do something like having ammo for a few simple guns(or bows) be craftable, so you can have at least some guns(bows) with ammo while having to stock up on rarer types, which would make sticking to a single gun type be more viable to individual ammo, but otherwise, you'll need to stock up on lots of different weapons.
Though, I suppose that won't be too bad either. It'll make buying weapons more than just 'how good is this'. You'll also have to consider how much ammo you have for it, how
easily you can get ammo for it, if a slightly worse gun that uses an ammo you have lots of would be better, if you'll just be better off getting lots of ammo for a gun you have, and more.
@NIA: if there will be 'Individual calibers' system, it is still possible for ppl to edit guns' .xml to use one type of ammo. rather than have it by default.
personally i voted for Generic calibers
Quote from: falconbunker on March 25, 2016, 08:23:33 PM
Can you add a option so as to enable or disable ammunition? Maybe when you are creating a new colony? If not, ok.
Quote from: Grimandevil on March 26, 2016, 05:01:29 PM
@NIA: if there will be 'Individual calibers' system, it is still possible for ppl to edit guns' .xml to use one type of ammo. rather than have it by default.
personally i voted for Generic calibers
Its always possible to make these things optional but then I need to balance stats, market values, etc. around the idea of having ammo or not, as well as maintain all the separate files when I could instead just pick one version and concentrate on making it the best it can be. The option to tweak some XML files will remain open of course and if someone wants to make an alternate version I'll add it to the OP but I won't be providing them myself.
Quote from: AllenWL on March 25, 2016, 09:30:07 PM-snip-
First up, thanks for taking the time to write some detailed arguments, it does help a lot when balancing these things. You raise an interesting point regarding loot commonality and I'll have to factor that into my playtesting once it gets that far. Regarding crafting the general idea is to have regular ammo types be easily obtainable through crafting. I don't intend for there to be shortages of regular rifle or pistol ammo except in exceptional circumstances. More advanced ammo types like charge rifle or HE ammo will be limited by requiring more exotic ingredients such as plasteel or explosives harvested from boomalopes.
Something I'm undecided on is whether or not to limit crafting by requiring purchase of some kind of toolkit first (if you ever used Apparello, it has the same principle with blueprints). I am also considering adding gun crafting requiring the same toolkits and a weapon degradation mechanic but that's still up in the air, ammo crafting is definitely coming in some form or another.
ok noimage, thanks for replying, keep up the good work
I voted for individual calibers, though it took a lot of thinking on it.
Ultimately I guess if damage is directly tied to caliber, then guns would be all about weight, rate of fire, and accuracy. The idea that a really good weapon requires an obscure ammunition is interesting. (Talking Charge Rifles, Burning Suns, etc)
In vanilla, I would absolutely go with individual calibers. With mods it gets fuzzy considering how many different bullets you might end up juggling.
If this means that enemies will eventually exhaust their ammunition during raids it could be a big boon to Brawlers.
I'd much rather see simplified ammo as the thought of another level of micromanagement for a colony is rather painful, even more-so in situations where drop-in raids are even worse if you just so happen not to be carrying to correct caliber for that particular weapon.
I wouldn't see an issue if instead of adding different calibers for ammo variety, you keep the simplistic ammo (rifle, pistol, shotgun), but add in 'exotic' ammo that has varying effects (AP, hollow-point, ect) for each weapon genre. Keep the management to a point where you'd be swapping out ammo because you want a different effect, not because the several different calibers of bullet you'd need to stockhold for weapons on your colonists.
I'm having an issue with people randomly not being able to fire through embrasures. I don't know if I'm doing something wrong or if it's the mod.
About 1/4 will aim at targets fine and the other 3/4's will not. After a battle, I tried to force fire at some wandering animals and it said that they could "not hit target." They were well within range (only a few squares away outside the embrasure). Once again, about 1/4 were able to force fire, the other 3/4 or so could not.
Edit: The last couple of games worked fine. I have it setup with the embrasure, sandbags outside the embrasure and a moat.
Ideas?
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on March 26, 2016, 05:34:53 PM
First up, thanks for taking the time to write some detailed arguments, it does help a lot when balancing these things. You raise an interesting point regarding loot commonality and I'll have to factor that into my playtesting once it gets that far. Regarding crafting the general idea is to have regular ammo types be easily obtainable through crafting. I don't intend for there to be shortages of regular rifle or pistol ammo except in exceptional circumstances. More advanced ammo types like charge rifle or HE ammo will be limited by requiring more exotic ingredients such as plasteel or explosives harvested from boomalopes.
Something I'm undecided on is whether or not to limit crafting by requiring purchase of some kind of toolkit first (if you ever used Apparello, it has the same principle with blueprints). I am also considering adding gun crafting requiring the same toolkits and a weapon degradation mechanic but that's still up in the air, ammo crafting is definitely coming in some form or another.
If I understand it right, before you can make a gun/ammo, you need to get the toolkit for it, after which you can make as much as you want as long as you have the resources, and simple ammo is craftable from the start?
So if I wanted say, armor-piercing rounds, I'd need to buy the kit to unlock the ability(but not buy a kit per crafting session), but if I wanted normal rounds, I can just make them?
I'm guessing your goal is you might lose because your soldier had no bullets, but you won't lose because you(the colony as a whole) had no bullets?
Sounds like a good idea, and it would certainly make sticking with one type of gun be a lot better.
Also, if kits are implanted, I think what'll most likely happen is your level of combat will go through about three stages.
The 'early' stage where you're not quite ready to craft ammo and get by scavenged weapons/ammo and melee weapons. You might run out of ammo if you're not careful, but probably not.
Rather than trying to get more ammo, you'll probably just pick up whichever has more bullets left
During the 'mid' stage, you won't be short on ammo, but still probably use a mix of guns rather then trying to give everyone the same gun, simply crafting ammo for existing guns rather than making/buying the same gun 'brand' for everyone. Some guns would probably get dropped at this point.
Ex: We have two rifle A's, two B's, and three C's. Rather then exchange A and B for two more C's, we just keep them all stocked, C taking priority, and rifle D, which we only have one of, is dropped.
Then the 'final' stage. Probably after you get some advanced ammo kits. From this point, sticking to one gun 'brand' per type would be best, as you can outfit every gun with advanced ammo, rather then having some guns with advanced ammo and some without.
Ex: We get an armor-piercing round kit for rifle B, and change all our rifles to B so every riflemen can have armor-piercing rounds without buying more kits.
Quote from: nuschler22 on March 26, 2016, 09:32:41 PM
I'm having an issue with people randomly not being able to fire through embrasures. I don't know if I'm doing something wrong or if it's the mod.
About 1/4 will aim at targets fine and the other 3/4's will not. After a battle, I tried to force fire at some wandering animals and it said that they could "not hit target." They were well within range (only a few squares away outside the embrasure). Once again, about 1/4 were able to force fire, the other 3/4 or so could not.
Edit: The last couple of games worked fine. I have it setup with the embrasure, sandbags outside the embrasure and a moat.
Ideas?
Anyone?
Quote from: Goldenpotatoes on March 26, 2016, 09:31:58 PM
I'd much rather see simplified ammo as the thought of another level of micromanagement for a colony is rather painful, even more-so in situations where drop-in raids are even worse if you just so happen not to be carrying to correct caliber for that particular weapon.
Ammo management will be very hands-off for the most part. You'll be able to set loadouts which function the same way as outfits, so your pawns will automatically stock up on whatever ammo you told them to get and mid-battle you'll be able to switch between all ammo types you're currently carrying. Unless you use up all of it during the battle or your entire colony runs out you won't get into many situations where individual pawns have nothing to shoot with.
Quote from: nuschler22 on March 26, 2016, 09:32:41 PM
I'm having an issue with people randomly not being able to fire through embrasures. I don't know if I'm doing something wrong or if it's the mod.
About 1/4 will aim at targets fine and the other 3/4's will not. After a battle, I tried to force fire at some wandering animals and it said that they could "not hit target." They were well within range (only a few squares away outside the embrasure). Once again, about 1/4 were able to force fire, the other 3/4 or so could not.
Edit: The last couple of games worked fine. I have it setup with the embrasure, sandbags outside the embrasure and a moat.
Ideas?
Embrasures are currently bugged and don't play nice with the AI. Sometimes pawns won't lean out properly to shoot from behind an embrasure in which case putting them directly behind it helps. I could probably give a more in-depth response if you posted a screenshot of your setup. Regarding animals you have to keep in mind that if they're small they might end up being obscured by high cover.
Quick progress update here, the inventory system is now more or less fully functional and some good progress on the ammo system was made. On reload pawns will now load the last equipped ammo type. If they don't have ammo of that type they try to switch to another. If they don't have any they'll equip another gun that does have ammo. If they're completely out they'll switch to a melee weapon or resort to fisticuffs as last resort. So you could see a raider fire a rocket launcher, switch to a PDW, fire all his ammo and finally pull out a knife and charge you.
In related news, fluffy, whom you may remember from such mods as Colony Manager and Enhanced Tabs is doing the UI for the inventory display and loadout manager. Here are some very early WIP screenshots (http://imgur.com/a/3yPeg) so you guys can get an idea of what the final thing might look like.
I don't see any of the defense-mod turrets as buildable under the security menu when starting a new game. I have both the mods loaded appropriately as per the instructions and no errors are generated. What am I doing wrong?
Quote from: player13 on March 31, 2016, 06:47:41 PM
I don't see any of the defense-mod turrets as buildable under the security menu when starting a new game. I have both the mods loaded appropriately as per the instructions and no errors are generated. What am I doing wrong?
In this mod you don't "build" turrets, you buy them from a weapons dealer and plop them down like statues.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on March 28, 2016, 05:57:13 PM
Quick progress update here, the inventory system is now more or less fully functional and some good progress on the ammo system was made. On reload pawns will now load the last equipped ammo type. If they don't have ammo of that type they try to switch to another. If they don't have any they'll equip another gun that does have ammo. If they're completely out they'll switch to a melee weapon or resort to fisticuffs as last resort. So you could see a raider fire a rocket launcher, switch to a PDW, fire all his ammo and finally pull out a knife and charge you.
In related news, fluffy, whom you may remember from such mods as Colony Manager and Enhanced Tabs is doing the UI for the inventory display and loadout manager. Here are some very early WIP screenshots (http://imgur.com/a/3yPeg) so you guys can get an idea of what the final thing might look like.
Is 'weight' and 'bulk' is the sum of all items/clothes on the pawn that'll slow them down? This will make making sense of that 'movement speed penalty X%' thing a lot easier to tell.
I'm guessing the reason for their addition is because of the fact that pawns can carry more guns, need to carry ammo, and can carry misc melee weapons and grenades as well, making that penalty thing a lot more complicated to figure out?
Also, I just realized something. With ammo, does this mean that in extreme cases, you can just hunker down till the enemy uses up all their bullets, then attack when they resort to melee? How will this work with enemies using weapons that use lots of bullets(like a centipede with a minigun)?
Quote from: AllenWL on April 01, 2016, 05:15:37 AM
Is 'weight' and 'bulk' is the sum of all items/clothes on the pawn that'll slow them down? This will make making sense of that 'movement speed penalty X%' thing a lot easier to tell.
I'm guessing the reason for their addition is because of the fact that pawns can carry more guns, need to carry ammo, and can carry misc melee weapons and grenades as well, making that penalty thing a lot more complicated to figure out?
Also, I just realized something. With ammo, does this mean that in extreme cases, you can just hunker down till the enemy uses up all their bullets, then attack when they resort to melee? How will this work with enemies using weapons that use lots of bullets(like a centipede with a minigun)?
Weight and bulk are calculated from the equipped weapon, worn apparel and anything in the pawn's inventory. Weight is the physical weight of an item and limited by the pawn's movement capacity (so being shot in the leg reduces your weight limit) and I'm considering adding a new pawn skill as well (i.e. along with cooking, growing, shooting, etc. you'd have a skill "Endurance" that would increase by carrying heavy loads). Bulk represents how "bulky" and uncomfortable an item would be to carry (e.g. an assault rifle with a folding stock would be less bulky than one with a fixed stock) and maximum bulk is increased by wearing things like backpacks and tactical vests. These will be worn on top of the shell layer so you can still wear parkas and such with a backpack.
The current move/workspeed penalties on guns are supposed to represent their weight currently and will be removed with the new system. Instead being near your weight/bulk limit will impart penalties to move/workspeed respectively. The idea is for one to put a limit on the amount of gear pawns can carry and also the same as behind the speed penalties on guns. That is, it encourages you to keep a light load where feasible. In the vanilla game if you have someone with 0 shooting and cataracts it still makes sense to give him a charge rifle and armor vest if you have some to spare, simply because there is no reason not to. With weight penalties you only want to give him a pistol for self-defense at most. It introduces loadout variety and gives a niche to otherwise weak weapons. In combat it helps tribals get an edge on well-equipped colonists by being faster and also allows for things like giving a pawn an SMG and light ammo load to turn him into a fast flanker as opposed to loading him to the maximum.
You can theoretically hunker until the enemy is out of ammo. The problem is the AI is smart enough not to shoot targets they can't hit (certain vanilla bugs not withstanding) so you'd have to somehow survive the AI firing thousands of bullets at you unscathed and at that point you'd probably be better of just killing them first. Once the AI overhaul gets done the AI will be smart enough to retreat when out of ammo but that's still a ways off.
As for miniguns, one of the reasons I want to introduce ammo is specifically to balance ammo-draining weapons like miniguns. If a Centipede has 100kg of carrying capacity and 40kg are taken up by the minigun it would have room for 2400 rounds. At 300 rounds per burst you could sit out 8 bursts and then not have to worry because the Centipede is out of ammo. Of course the downside to this strategy is you have to sit out and survive 8 bursts from a minigun. The same goes for the player too, if you're using machine guns against tribals you can simply go full auto and spray them with fire but it will cost you in ammo, so you need to balance volume of fire against ammo consumption.
When you say 'AI is smart enough not to shoot at targets they can't hit', does this include targets who are suppressed? Because I remember my pawns shooting a raider who was suppressed and hiding behind a wall where they couldn't actually hit him.
Three quick questions- Will bows use arrows as ammunition, will there be 'special' arrows(ex: flaming arrow), and will pila be a throwable item like grenades?
Also, aimed shot is very nice when hunting.
Quote from: AllenWL on April 01, 2016, 06:53:51 AM
When you say 'AI is smart enough not to shoot at targets they can't hit', does this include targets who are suppressed? Because I remember my pawns shooting a raider who was suppressed and hiding behind a wall where they couldn't actually hit him.
Three quick questions- Will bows use arrows as ammunition, will there be 'special' arrows(ex: flaming arrow), and will pila be a throwable item like grenades?
Also, aimed shot is very nice when hunting.
Shooting through walls is the vanilla bug I was talking about. If a pawn hunkers down behind sandbags/rock chunks the AI won't target them.
Regarding your questions: yes, probably, probably. Pila will be single use throwable but I haven't decided on an exact format for the grenades yet. They might end up getting their own special system that is different from how regular weapons work.
And you're in luck because the next release has hunting jobs ignore aim mode settings and always use aimed shot.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on April 01, 2016, 07:34:13 AM
Quote from: AllenWL on April 01, 2016, 06:53:51 AM
When you say 'AI is smart enough not to shoot at targets they can't hit', does this include targets who are suppressed? Because I remember my pawns shooting a raider who was suppressed and hiding behind a wall where they couldn't actually hit him.
Three quick questions- Will bows use arrows as ammunition, will there be 'special' arrows(ex: flaming arrow), and will pila be a throwable item like grenades?
Also, aimed shot is very nice when hunting.
Shooting through walls is the vanilla bug I was talking about. If a pawn hunkers down behind sandbags/rock chunks the AI won't target them.
Regarding your questions: yes, probably, probably. Pila will be single use throwable but I haven't decided on an exact format for the grenades yet. They might end up getting their own special system that is different from how regular weapons work.
And you're in luck because the next release has hunting jobs ignore aim mode settings and always use aimed shot.
i'm thinking about the grenade system to be "mutiple charges". for example you buy grenade you will get 3 grenades and you can throw 3 times. same thing for pila.
Hi
I'm absolutely new around here. Just downloaded the mod a day ago. After a while I found out that something was wrong on my side.
There were no reload icons nor mode selection for the weapons and my guys didn`t gain any XP from shooting. After a quick bootcamp in rimworld modding and skimming the code I found out that the Weapons_Guns.xml def file erroneously references an unexisting "Combat_Realism.Verb_ShootCRReload" instead of "Combat_Realism.VerbShootCR" several times. After correcting this my icons are just like the ones on the picture and I can switch to AIM mode to gain XP. (As the source tells me XP is rewarded for time spent aiming)
I hope you find this useful, it should be quite easy to fix on either side. I haven't read all the previous comments so if this was already pointed out, my bad.
Anyways. Very impressive mod. Single handedly pulled me back to Rimworld after I thought I burned out.
Quote from: Calavera on April 03, 2016, 06:45:07 AM
Hi
I'm absolutely new around here. Just downloaded the mod a day ago. After a while I found out that something was wrong on my side.
There were no reload icons nor mode selection for the weapons and my guys didn`t gain any XP from shooting. After a quick bootcamp in rimworld modding and skimming the code I found out that the Weapons_Guns.xml def file erroneously references an unexisting "Combat_Realism.Verb_ShootCRReload" instead of "Combat_Realism.VerbShootCR" several times. After correcting this my icons are just like the ones on the picture and I can switch to AIM mode to gain XP. (As the source tells me XP is rewarded for time spent aiming)
I hope you find this useful, it should be quite easy to fix on either side. I haven't read all the previous comments so if this was already pointed out, my bad.
Anyways. Very impressive mod. Single handedly pulled me back to Rimworld after I thought I burned out.
That's a very odd bug you've encountered. Which version of CR did you download exactly and from where? Also, which version of CCL are you using? Did any console errors appear? Verb_ShootCRReload is required for the reloading system to work, it should be on any guns that use reloading.
More importantly, did you restart the game after going into the mod menu? There is a known bug where if you open the mod menu and then go into the game without restarting it will break all kinds of things in weird ways, for CR it means no buttons show up. Try enabling the mod, then restarting the game and see if the issue persists.
Sorry if it's already been stated somewhere, I'm at work don't have a lot of time to skim this thread right now, was just curious if there was an ETA on an update for A13 as of yet? No rush, love your stuff, keep up the good work <3
CR has as dependency CCL so once CCL is out CR will follow~
Since we are going to have limited ammo, could you add a toggle while drafted that dictates whether or not they auto fire? Since I would like to wait until enemies are within optimal range of a weapon so as to waste the least amount of bullets trying to shoot them.
Quote from: falconbunker on April 09, 2016, 08:45:08 PM
Since we are going to have limited ammo, could you add a toggle while drafted that dictates whether or not they auto fire? Since I would like to wait until enemies are within optimal range of a weapon so as to waste the least amount of bullets trying to shoot them.
That's already included in the next release
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on April 03, 2016, 07:08:54 AM
Quote from: Calavera on April 03, 2016, 06:45:07 AM
Hi
I'm absolutely new around here. Just downloaded the mod a day ago. After a while I found out that something was wrong on my side.
There were no reload icons nor mode selection for the weapons and my guys didn`t gain any XP from shooting. After a quick bootcamp in rimworld modding and skimming the code I found out that the Weapons_Guns.xml def file erroneously references an unexisting "Combat_Realism.Verb_ShootCRReload" instead of "Combat_Realism.VerbShootCR" several times. After correcting this my icons are just like the ones on the picture and I can switch to AIM mode to gain XP. (As the source tells me XP is rewarded for time spent aiming)
I hope you find this useful, it should be quite easy to fix on either side. I haven't read all the previous comments so if this was already pointed out, my bad.
Anyways. Very impressive mod. Single handedly pulled me back to Rimworld after I thought I burned out.
That's a very odd bug you've encountered. Which version of CR did you download exactly and from where? Also, which version of CCL are you using? Did any console errors appear? Verb_ShootCRReload is required for the reloading system to work, it should be on any guns that use reloading.
More importantly, did you restart the game after going into the mod menu? There is a known bug where if you open the mod menu and then go into the game without restarting it will break all kinds of things in weird ways, for CR it means no buttons show up. Try enabling the mod, then restarting the game and see if the issue persists.
Yeah, I actually have the same issue, no mode selection or manual reloading, though they reload on their own still. As well, the XP doesn't seem to go up for most tasks but I did notice sometimes it went up, so I'm not sure what they do that actually gains shooting XP. I downloaded the latest version of CR and CCL pretty much hours before A13 came out, so I've just been messing about in it while I was for the mods to catch up. But I was wondering how you set the modes and I guess it's just not working properly instead of me being blind or something.
I'll list the mods I'm using in order of my load order with their version number, as well as the console error i get on Rimworld's startup which I'd just been ignoring for the time being as everything seemed to work. And yeah, I did read about the mod page bug when setting this all up so I enabled everything and restarted before making a new world and colony. At the time, all were the latest versions I could find for each mod, but it's possible I just looked in the wrong place.
RimWorld914Win executable
Core
EdB Mod Order 1.6.1
CCL v0.12.7.2
CCL - Research Tree
CR Core v1.5.0
CR Defense Pack v1.3.1
EPOE (Expanded Prosthetics and Organ Engineering) v1.52
CR EPOE compatiability patch, no version listed in About.xml but presumably latest at the time
EDIT: Okay, I feel real dumb now. I actually read the stack trace for the console error, and it says CCL requires that it's loaded right after Core in load order. I had figured the mod loader should be second but I guess not, and fixing that has also fixed the mode selectors and whatnot. Calavera, double check to make sure your mod load order isn't the issue you're having, just to be sure.
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Would it be possible for a colonist and raider to carry both, a range weapon and a melee weapon?
In the exit update if this mod
So untill CCL is updated none of these work with the current alpha?
Quote from: igz33 on April 11, 2016, 01:22:42 PM
Would it be possible for a colonist and raider to carry both, a range weapon and a melee weapon?
Next release will feature a fully-fledged inventory system which let's you carry any combination of items you want with move-/workspeed penalties depending on the weight/bulk of items carried.
Quote from: hwoo on April 11, 2016, 02:23:55 PM
So untill CCL is updated none of these work with the current alpha?
Good news, I just received a test build for CCL from the author and can begin work on making the mod A13 compatible. Not much changed on a glance but I was still in the process of putting some finishing touches on the new mechanics, so it could probably be ready in a week or so, depending on how fast my artists can finish the new artwork.
Bad news, Dark Souls 3 releases tomorrow and depending on how good it is it may delay release by a significant amount of time.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on April 11, 2016, 02:52:21 PM
Quote from: igz33 on April 11, 2016, 01:22:42 PM
Would it be possible for a colonist and raider to carry both, a range weapon and a melee weapon?
Next release will feature a fully-fledged inventory system which let's you carry any combination of items you want with move-/workspeed penalties depending on the weight/bulk of items carried.
Quote from: hwoo on April 11, 2016, 02:23:55 PM
So untill CCL is updated none of these work with the current alpha?
Good news, I just received a test build for CCL from the author and can begin work on making the mod A13 compatible. Not much changed on a glance but I was still in the process of putting some finishing touches on the new mechanics, so it could probably be ready in a week or so, depending on how fast my artists can finish the new artwork.
Bad news, Dark Souls 3 releases tomorrow and depending on how good it is it may delay release by a significant amount of time.
I hear its great so there's that to look forward too :)
heard great things about this mod and I cant wait to try it out for the first time.
Well done with it all to you and all involved.
Still looking forwards to it, regardless.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on April 11, 2016, 02:52:21 PM
Quote from: igz33 on April 11, 2016, 01:22:42 PM
Would it be possible for a colonist and raider to carry both, a range weapon and a melee weapon?
Next release will feature a fully-fledged inventory system which let's you carry any combination of items you want with move-/workspeed penalties depending on the weight/bulk of items carried.
Quote from: hwoo on April 11, 2016, 02:23:55 PM
So untill CCL is updated none of these work with the current alpha?
Good news, I just received a test build for CCL from the author and can begin work on making the mod A13 compatible. Not much changed on a glance but I was still in the process of putting some finishing touches on the new mechanics, so it could probably be ready in a week or so, depending on how fast my artists can finish the new artwork.
Bad news, Dark Souls 3 releases tomorrow and depending on how good it is it may delay release by a significant amount of time.
So, good news, NoImageAvailable(who surprisingly, has a image!) gets to play a newly released game, better news a CR update will follow in a few weeks?
So I finished updating my codebase to A13 only to run into a stone wall: with A13 Tynan and Ison decided to make mods load in a separate thread from the main game. This has introduced a number of major issues for modders. In my case I have run into an extremely obscure bug that neither I nor any of the modders I talked to have any idea how to fix. This means any time CR is loaded it crashes the game due to threading issues and I can't even begin to track down the source of this bug. None of the known solutions and workarounds worked.
This fact, combined with some generally unpleasant behavior from the devs towards the modding community, part of which lead to the introduction of this threading issue in the first place, made me decide to cease all development of this mod and permanently leave Rimworld modding.
That is all.
wow....
/drama
At least the source is on Github. Someone else could potentially pick up the torch.
Hopefully someone does.
Just to clarify a bit: this is not a matter of someone "picking up the torch" but of the mod simply not working with the game. I can't run the game with the mod and I can't track down the source of the bug. And unless somebody else does manage to fix it nobody will be able to keep developing this, it is simply a matter of it not being technically possible.
There is the possibility that the issue will be fixed in a month or two for A14, but considering how stuff like the mod menu bug is still around after god knows how many alphas I wouldn't bet on that. Furthermore, due to RL issues I won't be around in 2 months time anyways, which is why I was planning to add a few last features for A13 and then pass maintenance to someone else. However, since I can't continue development that plan fell through.
noimageavailable, please see:
https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=18887.0
I think i figured out your issue, ive definitley managed to stop the main error you were seeing.
hope this mod lives on, sad to see such a good mod got abandoned when the vanilla game is getting really good.
Quote from: skullywag on April 14, 2016, 05:04:11 PM
noimageavailable, please see:
https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=18887.0
I think i figured out your issue, ive definitley managed to stop the main error you were seeing.
I'll have a look at that and see if this'll work. If I don't run into any more mod-breaking issues development will resume.
This is a roller-coaster of emotions and I can't take it anymore.
So here's the summary of the current situation:
The issue that has been stonewalling me the last two days appears to have been resolved. We're still not 100% sure what was causing it but it works now so that's good enough for me.
That said, I am still leaving. Most of it is behind the scenes stuff that isn't really apparent from the outside, but most modders can attest to a number of frustrating issues with Rimworld modding in general and with recent IRL issues the added stress is just not something I need right now, which is why I've made the decision to leave a while ago now.
Since I know this mod has a fairly large user base I want to add a few more features along with A13 compatibility before I go. Right now it looks like there will be two more updates, one for the inventory and ammo system followed by an update to the melee, animal combat and suppression system. After that someone else will have to carry on updating this mod to future alphas.
Really looking forward to the A13 version, as it breathed new life into the game in past alphas, but also can imagine the frustration with constant changes that impact your (volunteer) mod. Hope someone can pick up the torch when you finish - or that the vanilla code stabilizes!
On to more pleasant topics, after wading through a litany of errors I finally managed to return to the point I was pre-A13 and am now able to make some actual progress again. Meanwhile, afriend has been working hard on providing stack graphics for all the different ammo types, with distinct shapes and coloring schemes to allow players to easily identify the general type of ammo on a glance. Here are some of the various ammo types that were implemented today:
(http://i.imgur.com/LQ2ixZt.png)
Top row: Charged ammo (comes in regular, concentrated and EMP variants), pistol and rifle ammo (both in FMJ, armor-piercing and hollow-point varieties)
Bottom row: High caliber ammo (FMJ, Sabot, HE and Incendiary), shotgun shells (buckshot, slugs, beanbags, EMP slugs, there is also a birdshot variety which is not in this picture)
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on April 15, 2016, 02:36:41 PM
On to more pleasant topics, after wading through a litany of errors I finally managed to return to the point I was pre-A13 and am now able to make some actual progress again. Meanwhile, afriend has been working hard on providing stack graphics for all the different ammo types, with distinct shapes and coloring schemes to allow players to easily identify the general type of ammo on a glance. Here are some of the various ammo types that were implemented today:
(http://i.imgur.com/LQ2ixZt.png)
Top row: Charged ammo (comes in regular, concentrated and EMP variants), pistol and rifle ammo (both in FMJ, armor-piercing and hollow-point varieties)
Bottom row: High caliber ammo (FMJ, Sabot, HE and Incendiary), shotgun shells (buckshot, slugs, beanbags, EMP slugs, there is also a birdshot variety which is not in this picture)
That looks awesome man! It's such a shame to hear that your leaving. I wish that wasn't the case as your stuff is quality but whatever best for you my friend.
Question: does the beanbag only cause incaps or does it have the chance of killing?
Quote from: hwoo on April 15, 2016, 02:50:04 PM
Question: does the beanbag only cause incaps or does it have the chance of killing?
Currently the plan is that it will do a small amount of blunt damage, enough to shoot out an eye with a direct hit and maybe break a rib or two, but not enough to kill and completely ineffective against armor. In addition it will cause a hediff to build up (same principle as toxic buildup) which will give penalties to movement and manipulation, if it goes high enough the pawn can't move and temporarily goes down for capture.
The beanbags themselves will have pretty poor accuracy so they're only useful at very close range but they should allow for a good way to break up social fights and subdue berserking pawns or unarmored raiders for capture.
Does this mean CR disables the vanilla behaviour of auto-killing downed raiders then?
I love this mod, no more firing a pistol in every direction but forward using 20 shooting and a sniper rifle. Also, any potential of getting rubber bullets for a less lethal pistol and rifle alternative?. Already love the shotgun work, makes short work of groups and buildings. Then all we would need is flash goggles, rubber grenades, and flash bangs and we can use swat tactics to maintain order and prisons.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on April 15, 2016, 04:56:10 PM
Quote from: hwoo on April 15, 2016, 02:50:04 PM
Question: does the beanbag only cause incaps or does it have the chance of killing?
Currently the plan is that it will do a small amount of blunt damage, enough to shoot out an eye with a direct hit and maybe break a rib or two, but not enough to kill and completely ineffective against armor. In addition it will cause a hediff to build up (same principle as toxic buildup) which will give penalties to movement and manipulation, if it goes high enough the pawn can't move and temporarily goes down for capture.
The beanbags themselves will have pretty poor accuracy so they're only useful at very close range but they should allow for a good way to break up social fights and subdue berserking pawns or unarmored raiders for capture.
This would be so useful for prison breaks, and very useful for getting rid of tribal warriors.
The ammo looks really cool too, not that I can understand what half of them do...
Just a question though, what would EMP shots do when it hits humans? It would be cool if at the very least, it took out personal shields in one shot.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on April 15, 2016, 04:56:10 PM
Quote from: hwoo on April 15, 2016, 02:50:04 PM
Question: does the beanbag only cause incaps or does it have the chance of killing?
Currently the plan is that it will do a small amount of blunt damage, enough to shoot out an eye with a direct hit and maybe break a rib or two, but not enough to kill and completely ineffective against armor. In addition it will cause a hediff to build up (same principle as toxic buildup) which will give penalties to movement and manipulation, if it goes high enough the pawn can't move and temporarily goes down for capture.
The beanbags themselves will have pretty poor accuracy so they're only useful at very close range but they should allow for a good way to break up social fights and subdue berserking pawns or unarmored raiders for capture.
Just a little side note, I used to work in a prison and I've been shot with a beanbag round with my body armor on and it does infact hurt really bad, as well as, shatter the armor plates.
Quote from: PotatoeTater on April 15, 2016, 11:01:06 PM
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on April 15, 2016, 04:56:10 PM
Quote from: hwoo on April 15, 2016, 02:50:04 PM
Question: does the beanbag only cause incaps or does it have the chance of killing?
Currently the plan is that it will do a small amount of blunt damage, enough to shoot out an eye with a direct hit and maybe break a rib or two, but not enough to kill and completely ineffective against armor. In addition it will cause a hediff to build up (same principle as toxic buildup) which will give penalties to movement and manipulation, if it goes high enough the pawn can't move and temporarily goes down for capture.
The beanbags themselves will have pretty poor accuracy so they're only useful at very close range but they should allow for a good way to break up social fights and subdue berserking pawns or unarmored raiders for capture.
Just a little side note, I used to work in a prison and I've been shot with a beanbag round with my body armor on and it does infact hurt really bad, as well as, shatter the armor plates.
While yes, L3 and L4 ceramic ballistic plates will often crack or shatter, the game armor is based on level 3 steel(And plasteel) ballistic plates, those would not shatter, but yes, knock the wind out of you, maybe crack a rib or 2 and hurt like the fiery pits.
I hope it doesn't take many bag shots to down someone. If I'm gonna risk destroying their eye id rather the bean bag has less of a chance to do that than having to get all my colonists to bash him up potentially killing him because it took to long.
Now that I think of it. Is it possible to make a tazer? Like a short short range 1 hit use(disappears after use) weapon that incaps prisoners and colonists but not raiders/tribals/visitors ect?
Quote from: Rahjital on April 15, 2016, 07:21:23 PM
Does this mean CR disables the vanilla behaviour of auto-killing downed raiders then?
Not sure which behavior you're talking about, pawns shouldn't attack downed enemies to begin with.
Quote from: AllenWL on April 15, 2016, 08:30:09 PM
The ammo looks really cool too, not that I can understand what half of them do...
The ammo itself will include a short description of what it does as well as list all its stats and damage types in detail. Most of it is fairly straightforward, FMJ = standard middle of the road ammo, Hollow Point = more damage, less armor penetration for use against unarmored opponents, Armor Piercing = less damage, more penetration for enemies wearing body armor.
Weapons will also list the ammo type they use both in their description and prefixed in their names (e.g. (5.56mm NATO) Assault Rifle (normal)) so you can tell easily which ammo type a gun uses in trade windows, etc.
QuoteJust a question though, what would EMP shots do when it hits humans? It would be cool if at the very least, it took out personal shields in one shot.
Right now they just do the standard EMP damage as well as some blunt and electrical damage. I've been thinking about extending the effects of EMP against non-Mechanoids though and the bonus damage against personal shields is a pretty good idea. The other thing I had in mind was a stun-effect against anyone wearing power armor (along with introducing power-armor wearing elite enemies).
Can't wait for A13 release!
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on April 16, 2016, 05:07:34 AM
Right now they just do the standard EMP damage as well as some blunt and electrical damage. I've been thinking about extending the effects of EMP against non-Mechanoids though and the bonus damage against personal shields is a pretty good idea. The other thing I had in mind was a stun-effect against anyone wearing power armor (along with introducing power-armor wearing elite enemies).
Electrical damage?
EMP would be more useful if there where more electrical things that can be used in battle, but really, other than mechanoids and the high-tech stuff(charge rifle, power armor, personal shield), there just isn't much things in the game that would be effected by EMP, at least not in a fight.
Of course, the colony has a lot of things that might be effected by EMP...(anything that uses components really), but raiders? The only things I can think of other than power armor and personal shields are charge rifles and the doomsday/triple rocket launcher. And maybe bionics/implants. Huh, that might be cool. You shoot a EMP at a raider with a joywire and fry his brain.
Quote from: AllenWL on April 16, 2016, 06:27:21 AM
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on April 16, 2016, 05:07:34 AM
Right now they just do the standard EMP damage as well as some blunt and electrical damage. I've been thinking about extending the effects of EMP against non-Mechanoids though and the bonus damage against personal shields is a pretty good idea. The other thing I had in mind was a stun-effect against anyone wearing power armor (along with introducing power-armor wearing elite enemies).
Electrical damage?
EMP would be more useful if there where more electrical things that can be used in battle, but really, other than mechanoids and the high-tech stuff(charge rifle, power armor, personal shield), there just isn't much things in the game that would be effected by EMP, at least not in a fight.
Of course, the colony has a lot of things that might be effected by EMP...(anything that uses components really), but raiders? The only things I can think of other than power armor and personal shields are charge rifles and the doomsday/triple rocket launcher. And maybe bionics/implants. Huh, that might be cool. You shoot a EMP at a raider with a joywire and fry his brain.
Your last part was spot on, but instead of joy wire think pain stopper. That raider in power armour with a shotgun rushing you taking all the hits and not going down because of the implant. Fry the implant and his brain with EMP leaving him brain dead. Great idea man that would be awesome.
Looks great! Eagerly awaiting this release.
Nooo, I don't want ammo :( Hope there will be an option to not include ammo like this.
On that note, I'm sorry to see you go, CR been a blast to play so far. Good Luck with that thing called Real Life :)
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on April 16, 2016, 05:07:34 AM
Quote from: Rahjital on April 15, 2016, 07:21:23 PM
Does this mean CR disables the vanilla behaviour of auto-killing downed raiders then?
Not sure which behavior you're talking about, pawns shouldn't attack downed enemies to begin with.
At least starting A13, I've noticed colonists going out of their way to kill hostile pawns that were incapped. The past few raids I've dealt with all had 1-2 incapped raiders I couldn't be bothered finishing off, but it was the same person who always went to go finish them off, who were also set to hunt as a high priority.
Will ther be option to craft ammo somehow?
Quote from: AllenWL on April 16, 2016, 06:27:21 AM
Electrical damage?
EMP in the base game does electrical damage. You can look up the stats of Devilstrand apparel and see it actually provides armor against electrical but since nothing else uses that damage type and humans are already unaffected by EMP its completely pointless.
Quote from: Tig2 on April 16, 2016, 08:27:59 AM
Will ther be option to craft ammo somehow?
All ammo will be craftable but locked behind certain requirements (research, production equipment). The plan right now is to use facilities linked to workbenches, e.g. you need to purchase an advanced nano-forge from an exotic goods trader before you can produce charge rifles and their ammo.
Advanced ammo types will require additional resources besides steel/plasteel, e.g. crafting explosives (frag grenades, HE mortar shells, etc.) needs raw explosives harvested from domesticated boomalopes, for incendiary ammo there will be a new plant you can grow which yields incendiary fluid but ignites at temperatures above 21°C.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on April 16, 2016, 05:07:34 AM
Quote from: Rahjital on April 15, 2016, 07:21:23 PM
Does this mean CR disables the vanilla behaviour of auto-killing downed raiders then?
Not sure which behavior you're talking about, pawns shouldn't attack downed enemies to begin with.
*snip*
i think what he means is that currently some enemy raiders just die to basically.. randomness.
you can hit 2 bodyparts with 1 hp damage and at least some enemy will still die from it instead of being incapped.
i made a thread about it before, and i guess this is what he means.
also, i second his question :D
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on April 16, 2016, 08:46:08 AM
Quote from: Tig2 on April 16, 2016, 08:27:59 AM
Will ther be option to craft ammo somehow?
All ammo will be craftable but locked behind certain requirements (research, production equipment). The plan right now is to use facilities linked to workbenches, e.g. you need to purchase an advanced nano-forge from an exotic goods trader before you can produce charge rifles and their ammo.
Advanced ammo types will require additional resources besides steel/plasteel, e.g. crafting explosives (frag grenades, HE mortar shells, etc.) needs raw explosives harvested from domesticated boomalopes, for incendiary ammo there will be a new plant you can grow which yields incendiary fluid but ignites at temperatures above 21°C.
Nice! cant wait to try this ^^
On the other hand. Will there be alternative source of explosives other than boomalopes/boomrats? Like a research you can make to turn incendiary liquid into a explosive compound?
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on April 16, 2016, 05:07:34 AM
Quote from: Rahjital on April 15, 2016, 07:21:23 PM
Does this mean CR disables the vanilla behaviour of auto-killing downed raiders then?
Not sure which behavior you're talking about, pawns shouldn't attack downed enemies to begin with.
I meant how most raiders that should be incapped end up dead instead, even if they don't have any life threatening injuries. It's needed in vanilla because people take days to bleed out, but it shouldn't be needed anymore if combat is realistic.
Quote from: Tig2 on April 16, 2016, 09:17:30 AM
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on April 16, 2016, 08:46:08 AM
Quote from: Tig2 on April 16, 2016, 08:27:59 AM
Will ther be option to craft ammo somehow?
All ammo will be craftable but locked behind certain requirements (research, production equipment). The plan right now is to use facilities linked to workbenches, e.g. you need to purchase an advanced nano-forge from an exotic goods trader before you can produce charge rifles and their ammo.
Advanced ammo types will require additional resources besides steel/plasteel, e.g. crafting explosives (frag grenades, HE mortar shells, etc.) needs raw explosives harvested from domesticated boomalopes, for incendiary ammo there will be a new plant you can grow which yields incendiary fluid but ignites at temperatures above 21°C.
Nice! cant wait to try this ^^
On the other hand. Will there be alternative source of explosives other than boomalopes/boomrats? Like a research you can make to turn incendiary liquid into a explosive compound?
Speaking of which, how will A13's new crafting system and different traders(I hear space-traders are a lot more rare now) effect the planned gun/ammo making system?
Really looking forward to CR for A13, but I was wondering if you plan to have a compatibility patch with EPOE again.
Quote from: Rahjital on April 16, 2016, 09:18:04 AM
I meant how most raiders that should be incapped end up dead instead, even if they don't have any life threatening injuries. It's needed in vanilla because people take days to bleed out, but it shouldn't be needed anymore if combat is realistic.
Ah, I thought you were talking about colonists going out of their way to shoot downed enemies dead, this makes more sense. I currently have no plans to disable the storyteller auto-death. Should it cause issues in combination with beanbags during playtesting I will have a look, although it would also likely require further increases to bleed rates, otherwise you could easily get 15-20 prisoners out of a single raid.
Quote from: AllenWL on April 16, 2016, 10:22:04 AM
Speaking of which, how will A13's new crafting system and different traders(I hear space-traders are a lot more rare now) effect the planned gun/ammo making system?
I don't see how trader changes would affect ammo crafting. The entire idea behind crafting things yourself is that you put in additional work in exchange for a reduction in material price and more importantly, a reliable supply. It will always be preferable to produce your ammo for reliability alone, unless you have a huge surplus of money/shortage of workforce.
Quote from: tks_ftw on April 16, 2016, 02:09:29 PM
Really looking forward to CR for A13, but I was wondering if you plan to have a compatibility patch with EPOE again.
Unless EPOE changed something the old patch should still work with the new version.
Quote from: tks_ftw on April 16, 2016, 02:09:29 PM
Really looking forward to CR for A13, but I was wondering if you plan to have a compatibility patch with EPOE again.
Or Rimsenal. That will be grate!
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on April 16, 2016, 02:22:49 PM
Quote from: AllenWL on April 16, 2016, 10:22:04 AM
Speaking of which, how will A13's new crafting system and different traders(I hear space-traders are a lot more rare now) effect the planned gun/ammo making system?
I don't see how trader changes would affect ammo crafting. The entire idea behind crafting things yourself is that you put in additional work in exchange for a reduction in material price and more importantly, a reliable supply. It will always be preferable to produce your ammo for reliability alone, unless you have a huge surplus of money/shortage of workforce.
I was just wondering because there was some talk about some high-tech stuff(Ex: charge rifle bullets I think?) needing things bought from traders to craft, and apparently, space-traders are rare now or something like that. I figured the normal ammo making won't be very effected, but wondered about the special ammo.
Though, on second thought, I guess getting those should be difficult anyhow.
I know you are working very hard NoImage, but do you have a rough estimate on when your mod will be done for A13?
he said it might take a week or so, since dark souls 3 came out.
cant blame him :D
i'd really love the update tho, too, just came back to rimworld after like a year, so i really look forward to it!
In terms of progress today was spent mostly implementing the various new UI elements. The inventory menu, ammo selection and loadout manager screen now all work as intended.
(http://i.imgur.com/wdwtWAH.png)
Tomorrow I'll hopefully finish up porting the armor system to A13 and adjusting it for the new ammo system. Then another day or two to implement the actual loadout AI and a bunch of misc functionality. After that I'll probably put out a pre-release version as I put in some additional functionality and balance things properly.
Any chance of an unload function and will raiders carry reserves of ammo or be exempt?
Wow this looks awesome! I can't wait for this to be released! Will you have a donation link?
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on April 17, 2016, 02:31:52 PM
In terms of progress today was spent mostly implementing the various new UI elements. The inventory menu, ammo selection and loadout manager screen now all work as intended.
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Tomorrow I'll hopefully finish up porting the armor system to A13 and adjusting it for the new ammo system. Then another day or two to implement the actual loadout AI and a bunch of misc functionality. After that I'll probably put out a pre-release version as I put in some additional functionality and balance things properly.
:-* C(Cos there is no emoticon for hugs)
Waiting ever so patiently :)
Will it need a new game, or will it be compatible with old saves?
Are you planing to add ammo to sentry/stationary guns? Belt feed or ammo crate next to it ? Similar to mortars ect.
Quote from: Archadeas on April 17, 2016, 04:36:07 PM
Any chance of an unload function and will raiders carry reserves of ammo or be exempt?
Hitting the reload button deposits all the ammo from the current magazine into the inventory. I've added the possibility to reload when out of ammo now so you should be able to unload the gun that way. Raiders are subject to ammo and inventory restrictions same as the player.
Quote from: Tinkerer on April 18, 2016, 01:06:12 AM
Will you have a donation link?
No
Quote from: AllenWL on April 18, 2016, 03:24:23 AM
Will it need a new game, or will it be compatible with old saves?
The last version was for A12, savegames are incompatible by default.
Quote from: Tig2 on April 18, 2016, 07:55:57 AM
Are you planing to add ammo to sentry/stationary guns? Belt feed or ammo crate next to it ? Similar to mortars ect.
It probably won't be in the initial A13 release but I do want to extend both ammo and aim modes to turrets. Manned turrets will try to draw from the operator's inventory first and if that fails the operator will go out to fetch more, just like mortars currently work. Ammo switching should work the same as with regular guns so once that functionality is in the three different mortars will all be replaced by one mortar with different shell types.
For automatic guns they'll either have an internal ammo storage or require a hopper attached to them. I'd prefer to implement the internal storage but depending on how much time I'll have by the end I might just go for hoppers.
Looking forward to the release for A13, the new features look amazing.
That pleases me greatly as I hate games that make you restricted on ammo, but the enemy has unlimited ammo and when you do kill them, they have nothing. Still any plans for rubberized ammo. Also, non unlimited grenades/single use storable grenades? My current "SWAT" team(team of 6) has 3 maces, 3 ballistic shield, 2 mp5s a SVU, all in ballistic plates, helms, Light power armor, etc(modded). But they could use some more non lethal methods to keep the riots down. Tasers, flash bangs, sting grenades, tear gas, etc would make the riots more manageable instead of having one start a fight(when everyone is happy) in the kitchen, you go and beat him with wooden clubs to not hurt him so bad, he lives, but you ripped off both his arms and now have to reload or put him down.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on April 17, 2016, 02:31:52 PM
In terms of progress today was spent mostly implementing the various new UI elements. The inventory menu, ammo selection and loadout manager screen now all work as intended.
That screenshot makes me happy. This game is going to be so much better when you get done. I'm working on a mod for my personal use to slow down the start of the game, and using the mod "right tool for the job" to implement tools required to mine at any decent speed,etc., and it bugs me that if I give someone a pickaxe he can't carry a gun along with it. This is going to open up a bunch of possibilities for better play, beyond just combat.
Looking forward to this mod.
The base game is virtually unplayable without it, especially this version.
Just got manhandled by a group of wild boars with 7 colonists with good weapons.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on April 18, 2016, 01:21:44 PM
Quote from: AllenWL on April 18, 2016, 03:24:23 AM
Will it need a new game, or will it be compatible with old saves?
The last version was for A12, savegames are incompatible by default.
You misunderstood my question. I have a A13 colony that I don't want to get rid of, so I was wondering if we could add CR(when it comes out) to a existing
A13 colony and get it to work, or if it'll need a new one.
Hmm. Not sure how I feel about ammo as actual items. I have enough to micromanage between combat and stockpiles as is. Will see how it goes though.
I'm glad to hear that development has resumed, A13 just isn't complete for me with CR.
Progress going steady, (re-)implemented the armor system yesterday with support for a few new things such as secondary damage types which can, among other things, bypass armor if the projectile penetrates, so if you fire a HE round at a Centipede the bullet will do its normal projectile damage with all the damage reductions, then hit whatever internal body part it impacted with additional explosion damage.
From here on out its just a matter of knocking out a number of minor yet vital points on the todo list before I can start putting in the XML work for the release. Among other things I've implemented some new loadbearing gear:
(http://i.imgur.com/KuXru80.png)
Tactical vests and backpacks will be important to have in firefights if you want to carry all the ammo, sidearms and other gear you need since the base inventory space of a pawn is quite limited. These loadbearing items go into the accessory slot (same as the personal shield) and can be worn on top of all regular apparel like parkas and power armor.
Quote from: Archadeas on April 18, 2016, 02:28:56 PM
Still any plans for rubberized ammo.
I don't plan on including any non-lethal weapons beyond beanbags and flashbang grenades since a) I don't really want to introduce another crafting resource in the form of rubber and b) I think I've milked enough ammo art out of Afriend and he deserves a break.
I do have plans for one last update after this one in which I'll overhaul melee combat and one of the things I want to look into is a handcuffing mechanic where you equip handcuffs as a melee weapon and depending on your melee skill you have a chance to handcuff and temporarily immobilize the target. This in conjunction with the aforementioned beanbags and flashbangs will be the extend of non-lethal weaponry I am willing to add.
Quote from: AllenWL on April 19, 2016, 03:57:59 AM
You misunderstood my question. I have a A13 colony that I don't want to get rid of, so I was wondering if we could add CR(when it comes out) to a existing A13 colony and get it to work, or if it'll need a new one.
In that case, probably not. This mod is just too big and makes too many changes to play nice with existing saves.
Quote from: Mathenaut on April 19, 2016, 05:34:14 AM
Hmm. Not sure how I feel about ammo as actual items. I have enough to micromanage between combat and stockpiles as is. Will see how it goes though.
I'm not particularly keen on micromanaging ammo on every colonist either, which is why the loadout manager will be designed to minimize the need for that as much as possible.
damn, every post just fuels the hype :D
Do you believe it would be possible to add magazines to this game? I do understand it would probably be a hassle and another step, just a curiosity.
Quote from: DestroyX on April 19, 2016, 05:11:39 PM
damn, every post just fuels the hype :D
As am I, Once I played CR back in A12, I've found it painfully hard to play without it. I actually enjoy logistics and the handling/micromanagement that comes from it, so I am excited for the ammunition system. I'll probably spend the first few days of the release hammering the other weapon mods out there to be compatible though.
Quote from: Profugo Barbatus on April 19, 2016, 09:22:38 PM
Quote from: DestroyX on April 19, 2016, 05:11:39 PM
damn, every post just fuels the hype :D
As am I, Once I played CR back in A12, I've found it painfully hard to play without it. I actually enjoy logistics and the handling/micromanagement that comes from it, so I am excited for the ammunition system. I'll probably spend the first few days of the release hammering the other weapon mods out there to be compatible though.
I agree.. Once you've played with it you can't go back..
well, i havent really played with it before, since i always had tons of (rather overpowered tbh) weapon mods before and didnt really wanted to play without it.
however, i figured that the game just isnt fun that way.
so.. i'm kinda glad that there is some ammo system now actually, not since i'm into micromanagement, but because ranged weapons are way too good compared with melee (at least if you're not 100% stocked on power armor and plasteel weapons :D) especially early on, i'm really curious to see how it works out.
and i reaaaaly hope the non lethal stuff works properly.
but i guess there will still be the problematic vanilla behaviour where the storyteller just kills incapped pawns off, because... well, reasons.
i'd rather have 10 prisoners per raid for organ harvesting than 1-2 :P
Quote from: DestroyX on April 20, 2016, 01:58:13 AM
well, i havent really played with it before, since i always had tons of (rather overpowered tbh) weapon mods before and didnt really wanted to play without it.
however, i figured that the game just isnt fun that way.
so.. i'm kinda glad that there is some ammo system now actually, not since i'm into micromanagement, but because ranged weapons are way too good compared with melee (at least if you're not 100% stocked on power armor and plasteel weapons :D) especially early on, i'm really curious to see how it works out.
and i reaaaaly hope the non lethal stuff works properly.
but i guess there will still be the problematic vanilla behaviour where the storyteller just kills incapped pawns off, because... well, reasons.
i'd rather have 10 prisoners per raid for organ harvesting than 1-2 :P
I agree.. never used CR on A12, and just was made aware now. It is really hard to find a well balanced mod, the only one I could fnd on A12 was the hardcore one, but even that one, at the mid-end stages you get pretty invencible .
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on April 19, 2016, 03:10:59 PM
Progress going steady, (re-)implemented the armor system yesterday with support for a few new things such as secondary damage types which can, among other things, bypass armor if the projectile penetrates, so if you fire a HE round at a Centipede the bullet will do its normal projectile damage with all the damage reductions, then hit whatever internal body part it impacted with additional explosion damage.
Say, if a animal or pawn got hit by a HE round, what would be the chances of said pawn surviving?
Really looking forward to this mod. Each update gets me more excited, can't wait!
Will there be any option to customise which features are enabled client-side?
For example, I really like having the magazine counts and the need to reload, but I'm not so sure I'm okay with having limited ammo.
Great, now I can't be inspired to start a new colony until this mod is out again. I had forgotten all about it until checking the mods (ran the modvarietypack in A12, though parts were mega unbalanced), and going .... ohhh yeah... crap.
I haven't seen anything mentioned about how tribal weapons work so far, at least from what I've read. Are things like pilas and bows also having ammo restrictions? I might start looking into great-bow crafting for early ammo conversation if you don't have to rely on crafting excess arrows or otherwise.
Hey noimage,
Is there a way to translate your weapon accuracy values, like a comparison with vanilla, since they're so different? Like a formula I should go looking for or a 1:1 comparison with real world bullet mechanics, say in a spreadsheet somewhere?
Working on a mod for myself and I'd like to make it compatible, but instead of straightforward 0.62 mid accuracy you have used realistic values like from real-world bullets, which is awesome, but I'd like to figure out how to apply that to my own stuff, like what the accuracy should be like for those values etc.
If you don't have time to deal with my question, no worries.
Quote from: Goldenpotatoes on April 20, 2016, 10:38:25 PM
I haven't seen anything mentioned about how tribal weapons work so far, at least from what I've read. Are things like pilas and bows also having ammo restrictions? I might start looking into great-bow crafting for early ammo conversation if you don't have to rely on crafting excess arrows or otherwise.
I asked something among those lines a while back, and I'm about 80% sure he said 'yes' to that question.
Quote from: Goldenpotatoes on April 20, 2016, 10:38:25 PM
I haven't seen anything mentioned about how tribal weapons work so far, at least from what I've read. Are things like pilas and bows also having ammo restrictions?
(http://i.imgur.com/hHMbRMm.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/Plwc76F.png)
Quote from: A Friend on April 21, 2016, 04:25:49 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/hHMbRMm.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/Plwc76F.png)
WHERES MY PILA BRAH
Those look great, good to know arrows will be in.
Quote from: jackarbiter on April 21, 2016, 04:44:21 AM
Quote from: A Friend on April 21, 2016, 04:25:49 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/hHMbRMm.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/Plwc76F.png)
WHERES MY PILA BRAH
Those look great, good to know arrows will be in.
I think that singular "arrow" on the top is a pila, those can have feathers too!
Quote from: wabash on April 19, 2016, 07:48:32 PM
Do you believe it would be possible to add magazines to this game? I do understand it would probably be a hassle and another step, just a curiosity.
Its technically feasible, yes. You'd need to make magazines with their own ThingContainer and add the mechanics for filling them, then adjust the ammo system to feed from magazines instead of directly from inventory.
Quote from: Professor Cupcake on April 20, 2016, 06:47:17 AM
Will there be any option to customise which features are enabled client-side?
For example, I really like having the magazine counts and the need to reload, but I'm not so sure I'm okay with having limited ammo.
While it is possible from a technical standpoint, I'm not planning on adding any MCM options or the like.
Quote from: jackarbiter on April 20, 2016, 10:49:09 PM
Hey noimage,
Is there a way to translate your weapon accuracy values, like a comparison with vanilla, since they're so different? Like a formula I should go looking for or a 1:1 comparison with real world bullet mechanics, say in a spreadsheet somewhere?
Working on a mod for myself and I'd like to make it compatible, but instead of straightforward 0.62 mid accuracy you have used realistic values like from real-world bullets, which is awesome, but I'd like to figure out how to apply that to my own stuff, like what the accuracy should be like for those values etc.
If you don't have time to deal with my question, no worries.
I do keep all my weapon data in spreadsheets. Some of the values are calculated using formulas while some other stuff like recoil and bulk I use formulas to get a baseline, then fudge it a bit as necessary. I used to publish those tables in back in A8-9 but I don't think anyone actually used them for anything.
I just had a thought seeing my incapable-of-violence doctor waiting behind the fighters ready to drag whoever gets incapacitated to the hospital.
Could there be a way to have your non-combat personal stand by with some meds, then have them treat anyone who gets too injured right there on the battlefield?
Edit: Like, just stop the bleeding really quick or something.
when this mod are going to be compatible with alpha 13 ?? im stil waiting lol
Quote from: AllenWL on April 21, 2016, 06:21:20 AM
I just had a thought seeing my incapable-of-violence doctor waiting behind the fighters ready to drag whoever gets incapacitated to the hospital.
Could there be a way to have your non-combat personal stand by with some meds, then have them treat anyone who gets too injured right there on the battlefield?
Edit: Like, just stop the bleeding really quick or something.
You can do it even in vanilla Rimworld, although CR makes it a bit easier with slower combat pace. Just put a makeshift bed and few medical supplies right behind your defenses.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on April 21, 2016, 05:31:59 AM
I do keep all my weapon data in spreadsheets. Some of the values are calculated using formulas while some other stuff like recoil and bulk I use formulas to get a baseline, then fudge it a bit as necessary. I used to publish those tables in back in A8-9 but I don't think anyone actually used them for anything.
I would love to take a look at one when you're done, or if you're not changing anything and already have one lying around.
can't wait until it's updated!
ME TOO! Counting days till this mod releases
Just a quick question: How many rounds will be produced per crafting action when making ammunition?
Quick progress update, all the coding work is done now and except for a few minor issues everything runs more or less smoothly now. Now all that's left is to put all the pieces into the actual game and create the necessary XML files for everything, a good portion of that was done today. Depending on how fast fluffy can finish up his work on the loadout manager I'll hopefully be able to put out a full or pre-release in time for the weekend.
I like to post screenshots with these updates so here's the new plant I'm adding:
(http://i.imgur.com/2ZODu3S.png)
The Blazebulb is a genetically engineered plant that yields a highly pyrophoric fluid used for crafting incendiary weapons of all kinds, from molotovs to fuel cells for the incendiary launcher. However, due to the fluids contained the plant has a tendency to auto-ignite whenever it takes external damage or the room temperature rises above 21°C so you'll want to install some AC units and make sure your grow-op is fireproof.
Quote from: AllenWL on April 21, 2016, 06:21:20 AM
I just had a thought seeing my incapable-of-violence doctor waiting behind the fighters ready to drag whoever gets incapacitated to the hospital.
Could there be a way to have your non-combat personal stand by with some meds, then have them treat anyone who gets too injured right there on the battlefield?
Edit: Like, just stop the bleeding really quick or something.
Right now you can simply set down a sleeping spot and designate it as a medical bed. With the inventory system you can even have your medic carry a stock of medicine in his inventory. While it would be possible to automate the whole thing to some degree it would require a fair amount of AI work and since I'm trying to wrap things up I won't be making any big additions like that anymore.
Quote from: jackarbiter on April 21, 2016, 08:56:20 AM
I would love to take a look at one when you're done, or if you're not changing anything and already have one lying around.
Sure, just remind me after this release is out and I'll send you my tables.
Quote from: Frug on April 21, 2016, 04:28:22 PM
Just a quick question: How many rounds will be produced per crafting action when making ammunition?
I haven't gotten to balancing yet but it'll probably be somewhere in the realm of 1 steel ($2) = 15 small rifle/pistol bullets ($0.15 each for a total of $2.25). Of course, this is subject to change depending on how things turn out once I start playtesting things.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on April 19, 2016, 03:10:59 PM
I'm not particularly keen on micromanaging ammo on every colonist either, which is why the loadout manager will be designed to minimize the need for that as much as possible.
Is this about wanting 'realism', or is the idea to balance the different weapon types? Is there a generic 'ammo' that is general use, or will we need to manage different types for every different weapon?
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on April 21, 2016, 04:56:53 PM
Quote from: AllenWL on April 21, 2016, 06:21:20 AM
I just had a thought seeing my incapable-of-violence doctor waiting behind the fighters ready to drag whoever gets incapacitated to the hospital.
Could there be a way to have your non-combat personal stand by with some meds, then have them treat anyone who gets too injured right there on the battlefield?
Edit: Like, just stop the bleeding really quick or something.
Right now you can simply set down a sleeping spot and designate it as a medical bed. With the inventory system you can even have your medic carry a stock of medicine in his inventory. While it would be possible to automate the whole thing to some degree it would require a fair amount of AI work and since I'm trying to wrap things up I won't be making any big additions like that anymore.
I was thinking something more among the lines of a 'quick treatment' button that will make doctors just patch up the big bleeding wounds and ignore the small minor wounds instead of treating them all and taking forever to do so.
Though, if they can carry around meds, that would speed things up too, so I guess it works.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on April 21, 2016, 04:56:53 PM
I like to post screenshots with these updates so here's the new plant I'm adding:
The Blazebulb is a genetically engineered plant that yields a highly pyrophoric fluid used for crafting incendiary weapons of all kinds, from molotovs to fuel cells for the incendiary launcher. However, due to the fluids contained the plant has a tendency to auto-ignite whenever it takes external damage or the room temperature rises above 21°C so you'll want to install some AC units and make sure your grow-op is fireproof.
Absolutely fscking fantastic! This sounds like the sort of thing that should be grown at a base's entrance, just in case :D. Love it!
Quote from: porcupine on April 21, 2016, 08:01:18 PM
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on April 21, 2016, 04:56:53 PM
I like to post screenshots with these updates so here's the new plant I'm adding:
The Blazebulb is a genetically engineered plant that yields a highly pyrophoric fluid used for crafting incendiary weapons of all kinds, from molotovs to fuel cells for the incendiary launcher. However, due to the fluids contained the plant has a tendency to auto-ignite whenever it takes external damage or the room temperature rises above 21°C so you'll want to install some AC units and make sure your grow-op is fireproof.
Absolutely fscking fantastic! This sounds like the sort of thing that should be grown at a base's entrance, just in case :D. Love it!
And have them spontaneously combust when the pawns walking back and forth and opening the door every day raises the temperature to 21°C? :P
This would probably be really annoying to grow in a desert. Hey, another reason to settle in cold biomes!
Quote from: AllenWL on April 22, 2016, 03:12:55 AM
Quote from: porcupine on April 21, 2016, 08:01:18 PM
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on April 21, 2016, 04:56:53 PM
I like to post screenshots with these updates so here's the new plant I'm adding:
The Blazebulb is a genetically engineered plant that yields a highly pyrophoric fluid used for crafting incendiary weapons of all kinds, from molotovs to fuel cells for the incendiary launcher. However, due to the fluids contained the plant has a tendency to auto-ignite whenever it takes external damage or the room temperature rises above 21°C so you'll want to install some AC units and make sure your grow-op is fireproof.
Absolutely fscking fantastic! This sounds like the sort of thing that should be grown at a base's entrance, just in case :D. Love it!
And have them spontaneously combust when the pawns walking back and forth and opening the door every day raises the temperature to 21°C? :P
This would probably be really annoying to grow in a desert. Hey, another reason to settle in cold biomes!
Heh, or in a desert during a solar flare :D.
Makes me think of don't starve actually, specifically, endothermic fire pits:
http://dont-starve-game.wikia.com/wiki/Endothermic_Fire_Pit#Endothermic_Fire_Pit
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on April 21, 2016, 04:56:53 PMDepending on how fast fluffy can finish up his work on the loadout manager I'll hopefully be able to put out a full or pre-release in time for the weekend.
Officially sitting here waiting like an idiot.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on April 21, 2016, 04:56:53 PM
Quote from: jackarbiter on April 21, 2016, 08:56:20 AM
I would love to take a look at one when you're done, or if you're not changing anything and already have one lying around.
Sure, just remind me after this release is out and I'll send you my tables.
Thanks!
Quote from: Mathenaut on April 21, 2016, 06:52:38 PM
Is this about wanting 'realism', or is the idea to balance the different weapon types? Is there a generic 'ammo' that is general use, or will we need to manage different types for every different weapon?
Calibers are weapon-specific, i.e. an assault rifle fires 5.56mm, sniper rifle and LMG fire 7.62mm, etc. Despite the name I don't add things just for the sake of realism. Every feature is implemented first and foremost because I think it makes for more interesting gameplay. My general approach is that video games are about making interesting decisions.
With vanilla Rimworld, choosing the right loadout for your pawns is trivial, you just go with whatever gun has the shortest time to kill the enemy. It was the obvious choice simply because there was no reason not to. The initial CR release already improved on that by adding weight-based penalties to guns, so you had to choose whether you wanted your non-combatants to run around with assault rifles all day or just give them pistols for self-defense.
Ammo expands on this even further by attaching a material cost to using a certain gun. That fancy charge rifle you have might be the best weapon you have right now but you might have only so much ammo and no means to reliably obtain more, so until you get a bigger stockpile you might want to reserve it for that time a bunch of Centipedes drop in rather than waste it on a bunch of tribals. You have to balance combat effectiveness versus economic effectiveness as you are encouraged to finish firefights using as few resources as possible. This means you need to assess the situation, decide on the most effective course of action and then execute it, i.e. make interesting decisions.
Similarly, having different ammo types allows for more dynamic combat as weapons can perform different roles as needed. Your grenadier equipped with an RPG-7 might have a number of different grenades equipped to deal with situations as they come up. If a group of heavily armored enemies has clustered together behind high cover a thermobaric rocket might take them out quickly with a strong explosion, whereas a group of tribals in the open might be dispersed by firing a fragmentation rocket into the middle of their formation. And if a few isolated enemies manage to close in you might choose to forgo the rocket launcher entirely and switch to your SMG instead. Again, decisions have to be made depending on the tactical situation.
Various types of ammunition like you just described would be awesome, just curious if there would be any way for raiders to essentially 'give up' and run once they ran through all their ammo. Or rather switch to melee/loot if possible to keep up the offensive. I wouldn't want raiders to fire a handful of rounds each and then bail, but at the same time I don't want them to fire everything they have and then suicide charge my newly brought up minigun every single time.
If you can keep up with the ammo consumption of that minigun and actually wait till the enemy runs out of bullets each time, I think you'll deserve that win.
Now, I'm pretty sure a minigun and ammo for the minigun weighs a lot, and the gun also fires loads of bullets.
Here's a quote from before.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on April 01, 2016, 06:15:12 AM
If a Centipede has 100kg of carrying capacity and 40kg are taken up by the minigun it would have room for 2400 rounds. At 300 rounds per burst you could sit out 8 bursts and then not have to worry because the Centipede is out of ammo. Of course the downside to this strategy is you have to sit out and survive 8 bursts from a minigun. The same goes for the player too, if you're using machine guns against tribals you can simply go full auto and spray them with fire but it will cost you in ammo, so you need to balance volume of fire against ammo consumption.
If we say these weight stats is the same as the actual game, it means with a 100kg capacity, you can carry the minigun, and 60kg of ammo, which is a total of 8 bursts.
I'm pretty sure a colonist won't be able to carry like, 0.1 tons of stuff, so you'll probably get less than that, meaning you'll have >8 tries to take down every raider, and that's if you didn't fire anything while the enemy wasted their bullets.
Though, speaking of ammo limits, I thought of something while on the 'what can noncombatants do during a fight' train of thought.
Then I realized something. Ammo carriers. Pawns can only carry so much ammo, and some guns will eat through ammo rather fast. Having someone on standby with a inventory full of ammo to give out reloads could be very useful.
On the same train of thought, it'd be cool if enemy raiders had a 'ammo carrier' who supplies some of them with ammo(so you might be able to wait out that pirate with a LMG until he runs out of ammo... just for him to get a refill from a ammo carrier on standby.)
Quote from: AllenWL on April 22, 2016, 07:45:17 PM
On the same train of thought, it'd be cool if enemy raiders had a 'ammo carrier' who supplies some of them with ammo
Warg + saddlebags, that's my vote.
Or let groups of pawns share rounds, so a pawn with an AR has some rounds for the groups LMG or similar.
Allen, what I more so meant was that if the raiders are affected by ammo, I would prefer that they only switch to Melee and charge if they're either unable to scavenge ammo and it's pretty obvious from their perspective that they could win.
For example the last 10 raiders exhaust the majority of their ammo and decide to charge in with Melee because all the colonies turrets in sight were destroyed and there were only a handful of colonists left alive. I.e. The Pirates charge if they think they can win otherwise if it's a lengthy and deadly gunfight then they eventually just bail.
Quote from: 25wes25 on April 22, 2016, 11:24:44 PM
Allen, what I more so meant was that if the raiders are affected by ammo, I would prefer that they only switch to Melee and charge if they're either unable to scavenge ammo and it's pretty obvious from their perspective that they could win.
For example the last 10 raiders exhaust the majority of their ammo and decide to charge in with Melee because all the colonies turrets in sight were destroyed and there were only a handful of colonists left alive. I.e. The Pirates charge if they think they can win otherwise if it's a lengthy and deadly gunfight then they eventually just bail.
I don't know much about the AI routines in this game (I've looked through source code but not AI source code), but it generally takes multiple generations of a AAA game to get to the point that the AI is this calculating (I've some experience with Fallout 4 and NPCs aren't at this point yet). Most games it's a distance check to the nearest enemy, then they switch to melee.
Currently (from experience) the entire AI calculation for attacks is "we've lost 1/3 (or whaver percentage) of our peeps, bail." Which is a simple count of pawns alive vs. pawns that attacked, checked (probably) only on attacker pawn death.
But I agree, that is an optimal scenario, and I'd like to see it available at some point. I don't think it'd be impossibly complicated, but perhaps beyond the scope of the next release of this mod.
Quote from: jackarbiter on April 22, 2016, 11:49:48 PM
I don't know much about the AI routines in this game (I've looked through source code but not AI source code), but it generally takes multiple generations of a AAA game to get to the point that the AI is this calculating (I've some experience with Fallout 4 and NPCs aren't at this point yet). Most games it's a distance check to the nearest enemy, then they switch to melee.
Currently (from experience) the entire AI calculation for attacks is "we've lost 1/3 (or whaver percentage) of our peeps, bail." Which is a simple count of pawns alive vs. pawns that attacked, checked (probably) only on attacker pawn death.
But I agree, that is an optimal scenario, and I'd like to see it available at some point. I don't think it'd be impossibly complicated, but perhaps beyond the scope of the next release of this mod.
AI is completely different for every game, in Fallout AI checks distance because AI have unlimited ammo. I haven't seen the AI code for Rimworld either but obviously there's no ammo in the base game so we'd probably have to have either modding tools, long ass work arounds, or the implementation of hesitant AI into the base game.
Quote from: 25wes25 on April 23, 2016, 12:09:49 AMwe'd probably have to have either modding tools, long ass work arounds, or the implementation of hesitant AI into the base game.
That's all I was saying, when I went back to edit I took another look at your post and realized you were just talking theoreticals ("I was just wondering") and I probably shouldn't have posted since what I wrote probably came across as "you're wrong on the Internet." Was just thinking out loud that this implementation of CR will probably not involve the level of AI that we'd all prefer since it is so complicated just on a base level compared to anything that has come before it.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on April 21, 2016, 04:56:53 PM
Quick progress update, all the coding work is done now and except for a few minor issues everything runs more or less smoothly now. Now all that's left is to put all the pieces into the actual game and create the necessary XML files for everything, a good portion of that was done today. Depending on how fast fluffy can finish up his work on the loadout manager I'll hopefully be able to put out a full or pre-release in time for the weekend.
Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet? :D
For me, it's the weekend right now, so I'm trying really hard not to check the computer every hour. I only succeeded every other hour :P
Though a question regarding the HE ammo.
If the bullet hits a body part and explodes, will that do any damage to surrounding body parts? Like, will a HE bullet hitting a nose cause the entire head to get blasted off, or just the nose?
Quote from: AllenWL on April 23, 2016, 01:29:30 AM
I'm trying really hard not to check the computer every hour. I only succeeded every other hour :P
You, sir, are the embodiment of restraint. So far I'm only succeeding in posting every other hour.
Quote from: jackarbiter on April 23, 2016, 01:02:44 AM
That's all I was saying, when I went back to edit I took another look at your post and realized you were just talking theoreticals ("I was just wondering") and I probably shouldn't have posted since what I wrote probably came across as "you're wrong on the Internet." Was just thinking out loud that this implementation of CR will probably not involve the level of AI that we'd all prefer since it is so complicated just on a base level compared to anything that has come before it.
Hah, no sweat man. Discussion is always a good thing, without it nothing gets accomplished. :)
Fuckin... Too pumped.
I keep looking at the github hoping to see a new commit to the pull request and everytime it's always the same thing.
i cri evry time
Quote from: Goldenpotatoes on April 23, 2016, 05:50:00 PM
I keep looking at the github hoping to see a new commit to the pull request and everytime it's always the same thing.
i cri evry time
I think we might have scared NoImageAvailable away :\
Considering how he was almost posting once a day before, possibly.
Quote from: AllenWL on April 23, 2016, 10:18:45 PM
Considering how he was almost posting once a day before, possibly.
Ye, I cri ;-; PLS, I NEED SUMMA DAT REALISM
Sorry about the delay guys, sudden illness has been limiting the amount of time I've been able to spend at a computer so productivity has been low.
its alright , get well soon :)
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Thank you so much NoImageAvailable!
Alright! Testing begins!
Here's some questions, since you're probably already writing the answers.
Old EPOE patch still good or no? I see it's just bodyparts.
Will you be waiting on combat realism defense until pre-release is ironed out?
Are you well? (hope so)
What is the question to life the universe and everything?
I finally managed to finish a version good enough for a pre-release. Keep in mind that while I tested the basic functionality, I haven't done any playtesting or balancing yet so expect bugs and balancing issues. Several planned features are also missing still, such as ammo consumption for turrets. These will be added as I can, however the pace might be slow due to continuing illness.
The main feature of this update is the inventory and ammunition system. I realize this is a rather divisive topic and finding the right balance will be tricky, therefore it is all the more important that you guys give feedback, whether positive or negative, on the new features, so I can make sure the mod is the best it can be before putting the lid on it.
Now, onto the highlights:
Inventory:
(http://i.imgur.com/c5yv7kd.png)
Pawns can carry a large variety of items in their pockets. Simply select a pawn, right-click and select the "Pick up" option, same way you would equip a gun or force-wear apparel. To reload a gun you need to have ammo (obtained through trade, loot or crafting) in your inventory.
If you have multiple ammo types you can switch between them by right-clicking the reload button to bring up the list of available ammo types. The reload icon will change to reflect the currently selected ammo type. Note that you need to still reload the gun before the new ammo type is actually loaded. The magazine counter will list the currently loaded ammo type.
Loadout manager:
Now it would be quite tedious if you had to manually tell your pawns to restock their ammo after every firefight. For that reason each pawn can now be assigned a loadout from the same menu as outfits:
(http://i.imgur.com/fmAFoOe.png)
Here you can assign loadouts to pawns and open the loadout manager:
(http://i.imgur.com/KkDF13F.png)
To create a new loadout select an item from the list on the right and input a count. Pawns will automatically go through the list from top to bottom and fill their inventories until they have the amount specified. If a pawn doesn't have enough inventory space to carry all of it they will prioritize by list order, e.g. if the list goes assault rifle -> 5.56mm ammo -> knife -> pistol -> pistol ammo the pawn will first pick up the assault rifle, the ammo for it, then the knife and if he doesn't have enough space for the pistol + ammo then he won't pick it up.
For the download and a more complete changelog, see the Github release page linked in the OP.
Quote from: jackarbiter on April 25, 2016, 04:16:25 PMOld EPOE patch still good or no? I see it's just bodyparts.
Should still be good unless EPOE changed ribs. Worst case you can simply load EPOE after CR, all it'll change is ribs will have 8 health instead of 13.
QuoteWill you be waiting on combat realism defense until pre-release is ironed out?
CR Defence is coming once turret ammo is in
Thanks for the quick answers :)
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on April 25, 2016, 04:23:01 PM
For the download and a more complete changelog, see the Github release page linked in the OP.
I may be misreading, but just in case I'm not, the release page linked is 1.5.0. I went to 1.6.0 and only source is at the bottom (looks like everything is there though). I know how github works so I just downloaded the whole updated thing before you were done with this post anyway, but some people may still accidentally dl 1.5.0 or something. Just FYI. I feel like I'm harassing a sick person, so please don't mind me, I'm getting off work shortly and happy to start testing this.
Ah, I figured the latest release link would automatically go to the pre-release but apparently not. Thanks for pointing it out, added the direct link to the OP now.
Edit: Just want to point out that I don't mind the issue reports, quite the contrary. Since people were waiting for the A13 release I've been cutting quite a few corners so there's probably some oversights that made it in (hence the pre-release part) and if people point them out I can fix them. Same thing goes for balancing issues, unless people give me feedback I'll never find out about certain issues so I appreciate criticism either way.
Haha, I just downloaded the right one before right before reading your guys' posts. Let us be the Guinea pigs for the time being, you can fix bugs when you're better man.
Two things I've noticed so far:
The social tab is gone from colonists.
Arrows aren't in the crafting spot at the start, made my attempt at a bare-bones start kinda forfeit.
the social tab gone for me too
Social tab is gone for colonists yet there for animals(pets) which is strange.
If you're using Fluffy's relationship mod you can still see the relationships in there for now until we get a fix. The social functions are working okay, regular chatting and falling in love going on.
One of my colonists had bulk filled most of the way with just 3 meals in her inventory (4 bulk each). By the time I figured out how to see her max bulk she had muscle parasites (she hadn't when I saw the bulk nearly filled originally). What determines bulk? She is 65 years old, and with the muscle parasites had max 20 bulk so I figure she just can't carry 3 meals and a rifle. Not a big deal.
Ran up on a raider who'd been shot in the arm and the leg and my girl ganked the raider (the girl named mac you see dead was the raider, obviously):
(http://i.imgur.com/BRU3GL2.png)
(I did not force kimmy naked, she joined as my 4th with a pistol and 60ish .45 acp and no clothes)
Kimmy's killshot on Mac was another shot in the same arm as you see. I haven't played with combat realism in a few releases so I don't know if it's normal for that to be lethal. I understand if you can't control the way damage works overall, I'd prefer this over vanilla anyday. Kimmy got another kill earlier, 2nd shot was a straight headshot on a doe so that was awesome.
One final thing, when the raiders were charging, two people with pistols had to wait til pretty close up to be in range, but i'm not sure that's a bad thing - probably a good thing, tired of seeing them try at max range with a pistol from rifle range and waste a whole clip.
Overall I love the ammo and inventory system, everything is working great, reloading works well (though a manual reload will go through reloading with just 3 in the clip and no other ammo to load into the gun and when done will just have 3 in the clip again).
Love the backpack I found on the raider.
500 bullets for 10 steel (or even 17 steel or whatever) seems a little off, seeing as a gun may require 100 steel or a grenade is 1steel per 1 grenade. I haven't looked up close at the size of 500 bullets in a while, but I'd think the steel requirements would be higher.
Would prefer to see like 10 bullets per steel, 10 at a time on repeat. 42 work amount for 500 (and simply making 500 at a time) is pretty fast, sortof trivalizes the whole notion of needing to make ammo. But I understand you weren't going for balance, most likely just wanted to make sure we had 500 ammo to sling at people for testing purposes. Just my 2 cents.
Forgive me if this is a stupid question, but how do I get the different weapons in the pictures?
Like the Lee-Enfield, M1911, AK-47, etc.
Quote from: hhowie3 on April 25, 2016, 06:44:53 PM
Forgive me if this is a stupid question, but how do I get the different weapons in the pictures?
Like the Lee-Enfield, M1911, AK-47, etc.
I obviously can't answer the question of "why" but looking through the defs, only the guns you can craft at the machining table are available in this release for whatever reason, so you don't need to go researching everything to see if they'll unlock. Doubt you can get them at traders either, as 47 or enfield don't show up in the xmls.
I was running around looking for the autoturrets til I saw them commented out and went back and read they were removed for now.
Ah, alright. Thanks, I was just making sure it wasn't just me making a mistake while downloading the mod. :D
Quote from: jackarbiter on April 25, 2016, 06:53:04 PM
I was running around looking for the autoturrets til I saw them commented out and went back and read they were removed for now.
Okay so turrets are in fact removed? I was afraid it was a mod conflict hah. I thought they just didn't use the ammo system yet.
Also anyone else getting 'an error occurred while loading the map' and unable to load after exiting the game? Also where's the error log it says to check? - I linked the main output log if anyone can make sense of that.
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I'll have a talk with fluffy about the missing social tab since he's behind the UI additions. There were some last-minute changes that didn't make it into the release because github was being obtuse so it might very well have broken something.
Regarding the AK-47 from the screenshot, that one is from the Rimfire mod. I sent Alistaire the patch for the pre-release and you can download it from the Rimfire thread.
Quote from: jackarbiter on April 25, 2016, 06:41:28 PM
One of my colonists had bulk filled most of the way with just 3 meals in her inventory (4 bulk each). By the time I figured out how to see her max bulk she had muscle parasites (she hadn't when I saw the bulk nearly filled originally). What determines bulk? She is 65 years old, and with the muscle parasites had max 20 bulk so I figure she just can't carry 3 meals and a rifle. Not a big deal.
When selecting a colonist you can click the i button to open their info tab, it'll give you a list of all their stats. Bulk capacity is the space they have in their pockets, etc., it starts at 20 and scales with body size (so teens have less). Beyond that, the only thing that affects it is apparel. The thing to look for in regards to scaling is max weight. If a colonist is frail and has a bad back he still has just as much inventory
space but he won't be able to carry nearly as much in terms of weight anymore.
QuoteKimmy's killshot on Mac was another shot in the same arm as you see. I haven't played with combat realism in a few releases so I don't know if it's normal for that to be lethal. I understand if you can't control the way damage works overall, I'd prefer this over vanilla anyday. Kimmy got another kill earlier, 2nd shot was a straight headshot on a doe so that was awesome.
People usually go down in <6 shots with CR, although a lot of the casualties you'll see are the result of storyteller death, i.e. the pawn is incapacitated but RNG decides you shouldn't get another prisoner.
Quote500 bullets for 10 steel (or even 17 steel or whatever) seems a little off, seeing as a gun may require 100 steel or a grenade is 1steel per 1 grenade. I haven't looked up close at the size of 500 bullets in a while, but I'd think the steel requirements would be higher.
Would prefer to see like 10 bullets per steel, 10 at a time on repeat. 42 work amount for 500 (and simply making 500 at a time) is pretty fast, sortof trivalizes the whole notion of needing to make ammo. But I understand you weren't going for balance, most likely just wanted to make sure we had 500 ammo to sling at people for testing purposes. Just my 2 cents.
The recipes were calculated under the assumption that 1 steel = 1 kg with 50% waste on top. The reason it seems wacky compared to guns is because they are wacky in the base game. Compare a steel wall (costs 5 steel) to an armor vest (120 steel) and you'll realize you're wearing enough material to make a small building.
Right now I set the steel requirements for ammo pretty low because I wasn't sure how much ammo you actually go through in your average firefight. This should be easier to track now and playtesting will show how much ammo cost is reasonable.
The 42 work amount thing seems like a definitive bug, it should be along the lines of 2500 work per crafting session. I'll have to look into that one and probably get a hotfix with some other stuff that came up so far out by tomorrow.
Quote from: 25wes25 on April 25, 2016, 07:06:28 PM
Okay so turrets are in fact removed? I was afraid it was a mod conflict hah. I thought they just didn't use the ammo system yet.
Also anyone else getting 'an error occurred while loading the map' and unable to load after exiting the game? Also where's the error log it says to check? - I linked the main output log if anyone can make sense of that.
Turrets are temporarily disabled until I can get them to use the ammo system properly. And I looked at your output_log and it looks like the error is coming from Pawn Status Icons rather than CR.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on April 25, 2016, 07:24:14 PM
Turrets are temporarily disabled until I can get them to use the ammo system properly. And I looked at your output_log and it looks like the error is coming from Pawn Status Icons rather than CR.
Ah, ok sweet thanks for the quick reply. I removed the mod from the save's .xml but it's still not working. Oh well, I'll just restart.
As for the turret/defense pack though, will we need to restart in order to use the content or will it work on existing saves?
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on April 25, 2016, 07:24:14 PM
it starts at 20 and scales with body size
Makes sense, she's not a big colonist.
Quote
People usually go down in <6 shots with CR
I like that, just didn't know if 2 shots in the arm would normally kill someone in CR prior to this - I understand that the game still sortof estimates a hitpoint system or something, it's not dwarf fortress where it takes true anatomical destruction.
Quotealthough a lot of the casualties you'll see are the result of storyteller death, i.e. the pawn is incapacitated but RNG decides you shouldn't get another prisoner.
Stupid storytellers! I never knew that was a factor.
QuoteCompare a steel wall (costs 5 steel) to an armor vest (120 steel) and you'll realize you're wearing enough material to make a small building.
I should have thought of this, now I feel dumb. Steel walls are kinda crazy. I'm 90% of the way through with a mod that focuses on more realism (nothing to do with combat), I may take a look at making this not crazy.
QuoteThe 42 work amount thing seems like a definitive bug, it should be along the lines of 2500 work per crafting session. I'll have to look into that one and probably get a hotfix with some other stuff that came up so far out by tomorrow.
At least I got one thing right :) They all say 42 work, and I tested again and it looks like it takes about that much for a colonist (it doesn't show it tick down but it's a short amount of time).
Keep up the good work, I'm really enjoying playing this. Can't test much more today but I'll let you know if I see anything else.
I'm getting the pirate loadout generator dummy
As of currently, EPOE causes the loadout system to be nonfunctional and removes the context buttons for guns (reloading, snapshot/aimmed, ect).
The patch doesn't do anything either so just a heads up to people.
I apologize if this is answered anywhere else, but is the mod currently available for download? I see the A13 pre-release version of the Ammunition mod, but what about the rest?
Thank you!
Quote from: Goldenpotatoes on April 25, 2016, 10:02:13 PM
As of currently, EPOE causes the loadout system to be nonfunctional and removes the context buttons for guns (reloading, snapshot/aimmed, ect).
The patch doesn't do anything either so just a heads up to people.
Uh, I'm running both just fine, even with the patch. Not sure about the loadouts but the context buttons are working fine.
Quote from: Tinkerer on April 25, 2016, 10:08:05 PM
I apologize if this is answered anywhere else, but is the mod currently available for download? I see the A13 pre-release version of the Ammunition mod, but what about the rest?
That is the full mod atm, the only thing 'missing' are the turrets since functionality with them hasn't been finished just yet.
Social Tab also gone, but to the point of the post.
I scavenged two pistols off some raiders. Made a pistol loadout for two of my pawns, simple. Pistol + 100 of each type of 45 ammo.
one pawn has the dummy gear issue. I can't figure out how to get either pawn to refill on ammo, both are out. I debug spawned in 500 rounds of 45 hp into a stockpile. any suggestions?
edit: It's not EPOE messing up the buttons. I don't have that mod but my buttons are gone as well.
Quote from: SteelRev on April 25, 2016, 10:18:50 PMI can't figure out how to get either pawn to refill on ammo, both are out.
I've not messed with loadouts, but the default way is to click on the pawn and then rightclick on ammo and pick it up (there's an option for 1 and an option for the whole stack). Then rightclick on the current ammo icon in the colonist's tab and change to whatever (if it's different) or just hit reload.
Is this not working because of the loadout or the dummy equipment?
Quote from: 25wes25 on April 25, 2016, 10:14:03 PM
That is the full mod atm, the only thing 'missing' are the turrets since functionality with them hasn't been finished just yet.
Thank you, sir.
Quote from: jackarbiter on April 25, 2016, 10:28:26 PM
Quote from: SteelRev on April 25, 2016, 10:18:50 PMI can't figure out how to get either pawn to refill on ammo, both are out.
I've not messed with loadouts, but the default way is to click on the pawn and then rightclick on ammo and pick it up (there's an option for 1 and an option for the whole stack). Then rightclick on the current ammo icon in the colonist's tab and change to whatever (if it's different) or just hit reload.
Is this not working because of the loadout or the dummy equipment?
With or without a loadout selected. right clicking on the ammo gives no options, regardless if the pawn is drafted or not.
Also machining bench doesn't have any bills for making ammo.
I'm running the prerelease now and something is wrong. Combat realism is the only mod I have enabled, aside from CCL. Colonists did not spawn with ammo in their inventories, the reload, aimed shot, single shot ect buttons are not visible. I debug spawned some ammo and I could not get colonists to put it in their inventories manually or by setting it as part of their loadout. Also the social tab is missing.
Quote from: Gabe1234s on April 25, 2016, 10:55:36 PM
I'm running the prerelease now and something is wrong. Combat realism is the only mod I have enabled, aside from CCL. Colonists did not spawn with ammo in their inventories, the reload, aimed shot, single shot ect buttons are not visible. I debug spawned some ammo and I could not get colonists to put it in their inventories manually or by setting it as part of their loadout. Also the social tab is missing.
Glad to know it's not another mod causing the issues. Check your machieing bench to see if it has ammo crafting bills. mine doesn't
Found what appears to be a minor bug.
A colonist of mine picked up some berries to train the dog.... and the berries disappeared.
He just picked up the berries, but they're not in his inventory, and when I try to force training the dog, it says 'no usable food'
Edit: Also, not sure if this is intended, but when my pawns landed, they didn't come with a single extra bullet. Currently, I just have 10 survival rifle bullets and 7 pistol bullets that where in the gun, and that's it.
Edit2:
I think I found out what's causing the berries picked up by the colonist to disappear(and scratch what I said before. This is *not* minor. Lost practically every singe bit of food we had within the day......)
See, the colonist is carrying a meal, a vanilla feature. This has a bulk of 4. Coupled with the survival rifle's bulk, the colonist's carry capacity is maxed out, and he can't carry anything else. However, the game doesn't realize this, and has the colonist pick up the food to train the dog.
Because he has no space left, he can't actually pick it up, so when he tries to, the item(in this case, food) disappears.
Since he still doesn't have anything on him to train the animal, the game keeps on making him pick things up.... causing him to more or less 'erase' every bit of trainable food in the entire colony.
Which makes me wonder how traders with fare with the 'bulk' limit.... pretty sure they carry more things than a average colonist...
I'm having the same issue SteelRev is and i really want to use this mod looks like so much fun.
Quote from: Mzxs on April 25, 2016, 11:49:51 PM
I'm having the same issue SteelRev is and i really want to use this mod looks like so much fun.
That's the point of using the mod. It only released a few hours ago. If nobody uses it, and finds these bugs, they won't get fixed :).
The modder is pretty damn snappy and active, so play away, just expect to throw away your first few games basically.
While the functionality of the mod works, my saves after a certain point just break. All the mods I'm using were completely stable before but I'll post another output log in case anyone can let me know what the issue is. I can't bug test if my saves don't last long enough to get into the good stuff hah. :P
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It looks like the recipe for making arrows do not exsist. Looked at the mod's xml files to be sure, and can't find them.
Kinda sucks, because I rushed the research for smithing like, way faster than I would normally for ammo(Like I said, I've literally only started out with 17 bullets), but looks like I need to rush the mechanic bench next.
Edit: say, does anybody here know how to make a quick xml file that adds a recipe for making arrows?
Quote from: AllenWL on April 26, 2016, 12:49:54 AM
It looks like the recipe for making arrows do not exsist. Looked at the mod's xml files to be sure, and can't find them.
Someone else stated they're not working but they're supposed to be craft able at the crafting spot, aka without any tech.
Arrow and great arrow recipes attached. I'm getting the not being able to equip ammo bug off and on and couldn't equip them and some other ammo, but I confirmed that this'll make them at a crafting spot. Not compatible with other mods that change crafting spot as I just added the recipes directly to it. These use the ammo def recipe base from CR so for all I know it'll add the recipes to the machining table as well.
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With nothing but Core > Edb Mod order > Community Core Library v0.13.1 > Combat Realism Core. In A13 I'm getting no reload and weapon magazine windows and thus cannot use a gun anymore after it runs out of ammo. I played like 2 hours setting up before going to hunt a rabbit and realizing this issue. Is this because the CR A13 patch is still being worked on or is this something else possibly? I see people posting thinking EPOE has to do with it but that can't be as seen above
I just love what your mod does this is my first time using it so I'm super excited
edit - I'm definitely gonna wait till this mod is working before I start trying A13, easily the coolest combat mod I've seen I even seemed to be able to get it to work with High Caliber now just to have ammo and reloads :)
No matter what I do combat realism core says that it is incompatible with rimworld A13 I have ccl and put it in the correct load order and reinstalled it but still it says it is incompatible I even tried it with only ccl combat realism core and the core and without can anyone tell me what I am doing wrong
Quote from: jackarbiter on April 26, 2016, 01:31:19 AM
Arrow and great arrow recipes attached. I'm getting the not being able to equip ammo bug off and on and couldn't equip them and some other ammo, but I confirmed that this'll make them at a crafting spot. Not compatible with other mods that change crafting spot as I just added the recipes directly to it. These use the ammo def recipe base from CR so for all I know it'll add the recipes to the machining table as well.
Oh nice, thanks, that'll help.
Trying to hunt with pila isn't fun. They're waay too bulky.
Edit: Er... I put the file you game me in the mod folder because it looked like it goes there, and how I can make the arrows... but the inventory system for some reason is totally gone, and remove the arrow crafting didn't help...
Quote from: The_Haminator on April 26, 2016, 01:34:21 AM
With nothing but Core > Edb Mod order > Community Core Library v0.13.1 > Combat Realism Core.
You need to have CCL directly after core for CCL to work properly. Try this:
Core > Community Core Library v0.13.1 > Combat Realism Core > Edb Mod order.
That's how I have it at least.
Quote from: The_Haminator on April 26, 2016, 01:34:21 AMI see people posting thinking EPOE has to do with it but that can't be as seen above
Mine worked for a while, just one playthrough no reloads. Then I saw people saying theirs wasn't. Started up game again, made a new save, no menu stuff. Loaded the old save, no menu stuff. Quit entirely and loaded the old save, it worked. Loaded it over and over, kept working. Made a new map, saved, exited, wouldn't load:
http://prnt.sc/awxh76
I'm sure the menu updates that'll be made tomorrow will address this stuff.
Quote from: The King of Nipples on April 26, 2016, 01:40:50 AM
No matter what I do combat realism core says that it is incompatible with rimworld A13 I have ccl and put it in the correct load order and reinstalled it but still it says it is incompatible I even tried it with only ccl combat realism core and the core and without can anyone tell me what I am doing wrong
You get the very latest version of ccl, and make sure core is 1 ccl is 2 and cr is 3 inside of the game itself? Is your folder inside of the mods folder titled CombatRealism-1.6.0 and not 1.5.0? (the old link was updated late after the first 1.6.0 update announcement post, make sure you're not getting the one from the crossed-out link). Sorry, none of this is much better advice than "turn it off, then turn it on again," I'm just tossing out ideas.
Quote from: AllenWL on April 26, 2016, 01:44:43 AM
Edit: Er... I put the file you game me in the mod folder because it looked like it goes there, and how I can make the arrows... but the inventory system for some reason is totally gone, and remove the arrow crafting didn't help...
Quitting and loading the game (without changing the file structure or adding mods) did the same thing to me. Sometimes I could get in and it would work for just one save I had, sometimes even that save wouldn't work. My advice is once you get it to work, never close your game ever again.
Quote from: jackarbiter on April 26, 2016, 01:58:15 AM
never close your game ever again
Wise words to live by. ;D
Quote from: jackarbiter on April 26, 2016, 01:58:15 AM
Quote from: AllenWL on April 26, 2016, 01:44:43 AM
Edit: Er... I put the file you game me in the mod folder because it looked like it goes there, and how I can make the arrows... but the inventory system for some reason is totally gone, and remove the arrow crafting didn't help...
Quitting and loading the game (without changing the file structure or adding mods) did the same thing to me. Sometimes I could get in and it would work for just one save I had, sometimes even that save wouldn't work. My advice is once you get it to work, never close your game ever again.
I think I'll just grab some wood, draft a pawn in front of it for a few (in-game) hours, then get rid of the wood and spawn in some arrows using the dev tools or something.
Quote from: 25wes25 on April 26, 2016, 01:51:53 AM
Quote from: The_Haminator on April 26, 2016, 01:34:21 AM
With nothing but Core > Edb Mod order > Community Core Library v0.13.1 > Combat Realism Core.
You need to have CCL directly after core for CCL to work properly. Try this:
Core > Community Core Library v0.13.1 > Combat Realism Core > Edb Mod order.
That's how I have it at least.
Thank you!, trying now
Edit - nope same thing with that order. worth a shot though!
To the people not seeing the reload button etc., did you make sure to exit and restart the game after opening the mod menu? Rimworld has a long-standing issue where opening the mod menu at all will break mods in unpredictable ways until the game is restarted and for CR it has been known to make gizmo buttons disappear.
Regarding the people with savegame corruption (or running into other errors in general) please make sure to specify your load order and upload your output_log.txt so I can backtrace the issue. See here (https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=18272) for the standard bug reporting procedure.
From the output logs I did get it looks like its an issue with how pawn loadouts are saved. I'll have a talk with fluffy about it as soon as I can get a hold of him to see where the issue might be.
Regarding the arrow crafting, that one is not a bug actually, just an oversight on my part. Whenever I update this mod to a new alpha I end up leaving tribal weapons until the last minute since I personally don't really care about them but now with the ammo system and A13's progression revamp it actually makes sense to use them early on. I'll have a recipe added in the hotfix going up some time later today.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on April 26, 2016, 02:41:46 AM
To the people not seeing the reload button etc., did you make sure to exit and restart the game after opening the mod menu? Rimworld has a long-standing issue where opening the mod menu at all will break mods in unpredictable ways until the game is restarted and for CR it has been known to make gizmo buttons disappear.
Regarding the people with savegame corruption (or running into other errors in general) please make sure to specify your load order and upload your output_log.txt so I can backtrace the issue. See here (https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=18272) for the standard bug reporting procedure.
From the output logs I did get it looks like its an issue with how pawn loadouts are saved. I'll have a talk with fluffy about it as soon as I can get a hold of him to see where the issue might be.
Regarding the arrow crafting, that one is not a bug actually, just an oversight on my part. Whenever I update this mod to a new alpha I end up leaving tribal weapons until the last minute since I personally don't really care about them but now with the ammo system and A13's progression revamp it actually makes sense to use them early on. I'll have a recipe added in the hotfix going up some time later today.
I tried as you suggested, same thing. Oh well tommorow's another day! All I can say is Rimworld and the wonderful mods everyone comes up with just keeps getting better and better! Now all we need an awesome overhaul including a bunch of the best stuff for A13. This combat realism to me should be vanilla its so perfect
finally, its out!
is the defense addon still in work tho? since there is no download in the thread
I was fooling around with dev mode, found some thing that probably shouldn't act like how they where acting.
Some issues I found are:
Tamed boomalopes freeze, then cause lots of lag. Tamed with the dev console thing, if that makes any difference.
Mortars fire a singe round, then don't fire again. Just placed a mortar with god mode, spawned in a shell with dev controls, spawned a pawn(who is not incapable of shooting), got anther pawn(who is also not incapable of shooting), gave one pawn a bionocular and had them 'spot' a random wall in the distance, and had the other pawn fire the mortar. Fired one shot, then stat their doing nothing. The mortar did not have 'X seconds till able to fire again' thing when clicked. Same thing happened with all three mortar(EMP, incendiary, normal) types.
The 30x64mm foam fuel cell does cannot be loaded into the incendiary launcher despite it using 30x64mm fuel cells as ammo. The other two types load in fine.
The incendiary launcher does not start fires. Neither did the incendiary mortar. Did not test inferno cannon. Motolov starts fires just fine.
Output log:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/1o7owdursobdlaa/output_log.txt?dl=0
Mod order:
<li>Core</li>
<li>Community Core Library</li>
<li>CombatRealism-1.6.0</li>
<li>Rimsenal_hair</li>
<li>Stonecutting Tweak</li>
<li>Xerigium</li>
Edit:
Also, some gameplay things.
Birdshot pallets are more effective than EMP slugs against personal shields with a quality of around normal lower, as they have enough pallets to completely destroy the shield and damage the wearer, as opposed to just getting rid of the shield, like the EMP, and misses less. With a quality higher than normal, EMP is better, as from then on, it takes two shots from the birdshot to take out the shield.
When changing ammo or otherwise commanding a pawn when it's reloading, it's hard to tell if the pawn is standing still because it's reloading, or if it's reload command got canceled, and it's kinda iffy to wait and see in the middle of a fight. Having a little progress bar for reloading would be great.
A minigun is an absolute ammo hog and really bulky and heavy. A pawn with a backpack and tactical vest can only carry enough ammo for about 3 burst(300 bullets per burst, 600 bullets in the gun, another 300-something bullets carried in the inventory). Also, I might be mistaken, but it looks like a minigun only has the 'auto' and 'single shot' modes, which is weird because you'd expect it to just be 'auto' or 'auto' and 'burst', not 'auto' and 'single shot'. I mean, who would fire bullets one at a time from a minigun?
It looks like damage is now decided by bullet, not gun, so different guns that use the same bullet deals the same amount of damage. (ex: pistol and PDW(I think?) both use a bullet called .45 Para or something, and deal exactly the same amount of damage)
EMP grenades changed from nearly useless to really, really powerful.
It takes down a unarmored pawn in about 1, 2 hits, and has quite a large radius. Also deals surprising amount of damage. I've seen it blow a pawn's head clean off.
Finally, not sure if this is a bug, but stacked pila don't get more bulky, and don't seem to be more heavy, than a single pila(a single pila has the same bulk as a stack of 75 pila).
Gave a pawn a stack of 75 pila, and he got a total bulk of 6. Bulk rose to 12 once he got a pila in his hands.
Edit: Oh, also, there seems to be ammo for weapons that don't exist in vanilla(Ex: RPG ammo). What are these for?
Quote from: 25wes25 on April 26, 2016, 01:51:53 AM
Quote from: The_Haminator on April 26, 2016, 01:34:21 AM
With nothing but Core > Edb Mod order > Community Core Library v0.13.1 > Combat Realism Core.
You need to have CCL directly after core for CCL to work properly. Try this:
Core > Community Core Library v0.13.1 > Combat Realism Core > Edb Mod order.
That's how I have it at least.
Thanks, I totaly didnt read this in the OP. I should read more careful
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on April 26, 2016, 02:41:46 AM
To the people not seeing the reload button etc., did you make sure to exit and restart the game after opening the mod menu? Rimworld has a long-standing issue where opening the mod menu at all will break mods in unpredictable ways until the game is restarted and for CR it has been known to make gizmo buttons disappear.
Right, loaded the game up this morning after seeing this post. Confirmed, Buttons are back and Ammo bills present at machining bench.
did get an error log spam tho, I clicked on one of my pawn's reload buttons without having any ammo in a stockpile for them to go get. log spam started and when i closed it, magically the pawn had fully loaded gun.
edit: attached log sreenshot
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I got the same problem at one point, the one game that would load consistently had the machining table ticking problem, spamming that same error message infinitely in a log, but since I didn't know if that was this mod or community core's low power draw I didn't want to add it to the list of stuff just yet.
Released first batch of bug fixes. A good number of issues should be fixed now. Second batch should be up later today or early tomorrow, including a fix for the savegame corruption some people have experienced.
Quote from: AllenWL on April 26, 2016, 04:24:17 AM
Also, some gameplay things.
I'm assuming you spawned the minigun in because its not normally attainable in CR. And yeah, the fact it chews through ridiculous amounts of ammo is one of the reasons you don't see real world militaries fielding them that much. Regarding the damage by bullet thing, that was already the case since the very first release of CR. Its just been "formalized" now. The idea behind EMP grenades is that they have higher cost and lower explosion radius than frag grenades but their electrical damage can't be blocked by any armor other than Devilstrand, so they're still effective against enemies in heavy armor.
Regarding the RPG ammo, that exists for mod compatibility reasons. All ammo types used by vanilla guns or supported gun mods (currently only Rimfire) are contained in the main CR download and enabled for trading as needed. So if mod A and mod B both add .50cal rifles I don't need to create duplicate ammo defs for every patch.
Quote from: SteelRev on April 26, 2016, 08:48:48 AM
did get an error log spam tho, I clicked on one of my pawn's reload buttons without having any ammo in a stockpile for them to go get. log spam started and when i closed it, magically the pawn had fully loaded gun.
edit: attached log sreenshot
When attaching logs, please upload the actual output_log.txt, rather than screenshots. I can't tell much without looking at the full log + stack trace.
Will this work correctly with Rimsenal or will there need to be a patch? :o
Is this compatible with RimFire yet?
Thanks for the mod. I always use it.
Quote from: nuschler22 on April 26, 2016, 11:06:10 AM
Is this compatible with RimFire yet?
Thanks for the mod. I always use it.
From latest update notes:
Rimfire patch: added new fragmentation grenade for RPG-7. You don't need to redownload the Rimfire patch, simply updating CR to 1.6.1 is enough
The patch is not official so not in the RimFire OP, it is available in this post:
https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=9536.msg212677#msg212677
The new file 1.6.1 is not compatible or corrupt.
log showed a bunch of files and textures missing. I'm on alpha 13.
Crashing on loading a save mod order (Output linked below):
<li>Core</li>
<li>Community Core Library</li>
<li>Community Core Library - Vanilla Tweaks</li>
<li>CombatRealism-1.6.0</li>
<li>Rimfire 2.0</li>
<li>Rimfire 2.0 for CombatRealism-1.6.0</li>
<li>CombatRealism EPOE</li>
<li>ExpandedProsthetics&OrganEngineering</li>
<li>Apparello</li>
<li>EdBModOrder</li>
<li>EdBColonistBar</li>
<li>BackstoriesCore-12.0.0</li>
<li>EdBPrepareCarefully</li>
<li>More Factions Spawn</li>
<li>AllowTool</li>
<li>LT_ADogSaid</li>
<li>AnimalHideWorking</li>
<li>BetterCoolers-BetterCoolers1.1</li>
<li>BetterVents-BetterVents1.1</li>
<li>ED-Plant24H</li>
<li>Embrasures-Embrasures1.4</li>
<li>LDAreaRugs</li>
<li>RW_Blueprints-0.13.0.1</li>
<li>RW_Manager-0.13.0.2</li>
<li>RW_EnhancedTabs-0.13.0.1</li>
<li>ExtendedMedicine-ExtendedMedicine1.2</li>
<li>ExtendedStorage-ExtendedStorage1.4</li>
<li>RW_FluffyRelations-0.13.0.1</li>
<li>RW_FollowMe--0.13.0.1</li>
<li>HydroponicRoom</li>
<li>RW_MedicalInfo-0.13.0.1</li>
<li>MedievalShields-MedievalShields1.7</li>
<li>MeteoriteEvent-MeteoriteEvent1.1</li>
<li>Modular Tables</li>
<li>MoreTradeShips</li>
<li>PackMuffalo</li>
<li>kNumbers-0.4.1-A13</li>
<li>PowerCell-PowerCell1.3</li>
<li>PowerSwitch</li>
<li>RazorRain-RazorRain1.1</li>
<li>Smart Bears</li>
<li>Stonecutting Tweak</li>
<li>VeinMiner</li>
<li>T-ConditionRed</li>
<li>T-CoreCropTweaks</li>
<li>T-ExpandedCloth</li>
<li>T-ExpandedCrops</li>
<li>T-MiscStuff</li>
<li>T-MoreBedsVanilla</li>
<li>T-MoreFloors</li>
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Quote from: st james jack john on April 26, 2016, 11:43:34 AM
The new file 1.6.1 is not compatible or corrupt.
log showed a bunch of files and textures missing. I'm on alpha 13.
Works for me, what is your load order? Did you delete the old folder entirely?
Quote from: 25wes25 on April 26, 2016, 11:44:27 AM
Crashing on loading a save mod order (Output linked below):
Just looking over your mod order I can already see several issues. For one, you are loading both regular Rimfire and the CR version when you should only load one. You are also using the A12 version of BackstoriesCore and loading the CR EPOE patch before EPOE itself. Try fixing those issues and if the problem persists see about disabling a few mods at a time to narrow down which one is causing the issue.
Quote from: jackarbiter on April 26, 2016, 11:20:41 AM
Quote from: nuschler22 on April 26, 2016, 11:06:10 AM
Is this compatible with RimFire yet?
Thanks for the mod. I always use it.
Thank you!
From latest update notes:
Rimfire patch: added new fragmentation grenade for RPG-7. You don't need to redownload the Rimfire patch, simply updating CR to 1.6.1 is enough
The patch is not official so not in the RimFire OP, it is available in this post:
https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=9536.msg212677#msg212677
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on April 26, 2016, 12:14:49 PMyou are loading both regular Rimfire and the CR version when you should only load one
Added a post to the rimfire thread in hopes of making this clear, I'd assumed it would be loaded like a patch as well.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on April 26, 2016, 12:14:49 PM
Just looking over your mod order I can already see several issues. For one, you are loading both regular Rimfire and the CR version when you should only load one. You are also using the A12 version of BackstoriesCore and loading the CR EPOE patch before EPOE itself. Try fixing those issues and if the problem persists see about disabling a few mods at a time to narrow down which one is causing the issue.
Huh, I thought the list was like Bethesda's use of ESM's and ESP's which over write so I assumed EPOE patch overwrites EPOE enabling the patch. Plus i thought Rimfire's CR was a patch, not a stand alone version. As for backstories well I'm looking at the download and it's from April 16th haha not really sure how I goofed that one. Thanks for the quick reply, hopefully it's just order issues and not mod incompatibilities. The weird part is I get no errors in the console, and am able to load saves up till a random point with the current mod order.
Quote from: 25wes25 on April 26, 2016, 12:24:51 PM
Huh, I thought the list was like Bethesda's use of ESM's and ESP's which over write
It's like using mod organizer (where you define orders of textures/esps) rather than like installing mods manually. In rimworld, tick them in order in the mods menu in the main menu of the game, they'll number themselves in the order that you tick them. Make sure to restart the game after opening the mods menu.
(Or use EDB Mod Order (https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=7454.0))
\/ Yeah, I get what you mean, just being a busybody. I'd post this as a reply but I don't want to spam noimage's thread. \/
Quote from: jackarbiter on April 26, 2016, 12:30:37 PM
It's like using mod organizer (where you define orders of textures/esps) rather than like installing mods manually. In rimworld, tick them in order in the mods menu in the main menu of the game, they'll number themselves in the order that you tick them. Make sure to restart the game after opening the mods menu.
Yeah I understand that, It's just a little bit different than Bethesda's setup where any mod 'core' goes above anything else related to that mod, while anything affecting that core goes above not below. For example a patch would be above either 2 core mods or between them, never after since they overwrite the cores when they build.
I could reproduce following bug:
The GUI just disappears if I click "B" with a pawn selected and then drop the gun of the pawn (while the mouse cursor is still in "choose target mode")
Still cant load the mod. Tried everything. Here's the log.
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I'm just testing 1.6.1 ver. and its working fine, there are notifications for no sound files but no problems in game.
I like the loadout tab but have some observations. I've created load for early hunter with bow and arrows and gave it 30 arrows to carry but when pawn go hunting he constantly returns to refill ammo every time he reloads so maybe give a timer to check loadout or some conditions like "have no more then 100 and no less then 30". Now it's OK if you create emergency loadout.
I also have no interactions tab but it could be issue of mod order.
Thanks for the hard work!
Quote from: st james jack john on April 26, 2016, 12:46:23 PM
Still cant load the mod. Tried everything. Here's the log.
May not be the reason, but it says in your log: Community Core Library, Version=0.13.0.0
The latest version is 0.13.1, but I'm not familiar enough with this to say how it'd show up in the log.
Amazing job !
Just tested, had no issue, even loading several other mods altogether.
I have one question and one feedback:
Question: Is ALL turrets disabled on this alpha release? (Cant seem to find the regular vanilla turret)
Feedback: (I think I read before, but...) Requirements for ammo/weapons crafting is pretty low. Dont know what is the roadmap, but I'd suggest adding new ores, such as potassium and sulfur so we could craft gunpowder in order to make ammo.
Quote from: carpediembr on April 26, 2016, 01:09:00 PM
Question: Is ALL turrets disabled on this alpha release? (Cant seem to find the regular vanilla turret)
The vanilla turret is disabled at the moment.
Quote
Feedback: (I think I read before, but...) Requirements for ammo/weapons crafting is pretty low. Dont know what is the roadmap, but I'd suggest adding new ores, such as potassium and sulfur so we could craft gunpowder in order to make ammo.
Quote from NoImage:
QuoteThe recipes were calculated under the assumption that 1 steel = 1 kg with 50% waste on top. The reason it seems wacky compared to guns is because they are wacky in the base game. Compare a steel wall (costs 5 steel) to an armor vest (120 steel) and you'll realize you're wearing enough material to make a small building.
Right now I set the steel requirements for ammo pretty low because I wasn't sure how much ammo you actually go through in your average firefight. This should be easier to track now and playtesting will show how much ammo cost is reasonable.
I've wondered if we couldn't have sulfur in the game. My
personal opinion is that it starts to get too complicated when you start adding more ores and such. I wouldn't mind having to use some of the exploding flower stuff to make ammo, but the temperature range thing would make it hard to make any ammo in some climates without also having the solar flare shield mod. As a compromise I suppose you could spin "compacted components" as having tiny bits of crushed batteries or summat, and put them in recipe lists for ammo, but that's sortof hacky I guess.
Sorry to keep showing up in this thread, just figured since I'm keeping up with stuff I can maybe help reduce the tech support load during these initial stages.
Quote from: st james jack john on April 26, 2016, 12:46:23 PM
Still cant load the mod. Tried everything. Here's the log.
What does your load order look like? From the output_log I'm guessing you're missing CCL or put it below CR somehow.
does ammo suppose to fall with the colonist in the beginning or not ,because i cant find one
It seems that something with the loadouts is causing the corrupted save issue. Spent my entire day playing.. and now it's gone. lol Oh well, gotta get the bugs somehow. Anyway, I attached my output_log.txt for you to take a look at.
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Quote from: Madpizzaboy on April 26, 2016, 01:48:44 PM
does ammo suppose to fall with the colonist in the beginning or not ,because i cant find one
They way I've been getting around it is just using Prepare Carefully and giving myself a small amount of ammo at the start.
Quote from: jackarbiter on April 26, 2016, 01:24:39 PM
Quote from: carpediembr on April 26, 2016, 01:09:00 PM
Question: Is ALL turrets disabled on this alpha release? (Cant seem to find the regular vanilla turret)
The vanilla turret is disabled at the moment.
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Feedback: (I think I read before, but...) Requirements for ammo/weapons crafting is pretty low. Dont know what is the roadmap, but I'd suggest adding new ores, such as potassium and sulfur so we could craft gunpowder in order to make ammo.
Quote from NoImage:
QuoteThe recipes were calculated under the assumption that 1 steel = 1 kg with 50% waste on top. The reason it seems wacky compared to guns is because they are wacky in the base game. Compare a steel wall (costs 5 steel) to an armor vest (120 steel) and you'll realize you're wearing enough material to make a small building.
Right now I set the steel requirements for ammo pretty low because I wasn't sure how much ammo you actually go through in your average firefight. This should be easier to track now and playtesting will show how much ammo cost is reasonable.
I've wondered if we couldn't have sulfur in the game. My personal opinion is that it starts to get too complicated when you start adding more ores and such. I wouldn't mind having to use some of the exploding flower stuff to make ammo, but the temperature range thing would make it hard to make any ammo in some climates without also having the solar flare shield mod. As a compromise I suppose you could spin "compacted components" as having tiny bits of crushed batteries or summat, and put them in recipe lists for ammo, but that's sortof hacky I guess.
Sorry to keep showing up in this thread, just figured since I'm keeping up with stuff I can maybe help reduce the tech support load during these initial stages.
I apreciate the reply!!! I knew I read about the ammo cost, but I went back 3 pages and just couldnt find it!
How do you craft ammo?
Quote from: nuschler22 on April 26, 2016, 02:17:32 PM
How do you craft ammo?
Machinist bench, same as crafting guns. Except arrows, those you craft wherever you craft bows.
Quote from: Cowan108 on April 26, 2016, 01:50:57 PM
It seems that something with the loadouts is causing the corrupted save issue. Spent my entire day playing.. and now it's gone. lol Oh well, gotta get the bugs somehow. Anyway, I attached my output_log.txt for you to take a look at.
Hopefully this will be fixed soon. Quote from noimage from a few pages back:
QuoteReleased first batch of bug fixes. A good number of issues should be fixed now. Second batch should be up later today or early tomorrow, including a fix for the savegame corruption some people have experienced.
Quote from: jackarbiter on April 26, 2016, 02:21:27 PM
Quote from: nuschler22 on April 26, 2016, 02:17:32 PM
How do you craft ammo?
Machinist bench, same as crafting guns. Except arrows, those you craft wherever you craft bows.
Thanks. Does it require a special research? I have a machinist bench and don't see any bill that allows ammo crafting.
Quote from: nuschler22 on April 26, 2016, 02:25:46 PM
Thanks. Does it require a special research? I have a machinist bench and don't see any bill that allows ammo crafting.
Nope, if you have a (machining table, I called it the wrong thing earlier) it'll make all the stuff, ammo and guns, unless something has gone wrong.
Quote from: jackarbiter on April 26, 2016, 02:55:29 PM
Quote from: nuschler22 on April 26, 2016, 02:25:46 PM
Thanks. Does it require a special research? I have a machinist bench and don't see any bill that allows ammo crafting.
Nope, if you have a (machining table, I called it the wrong thing earlier) it'll make all the stuff, ammo and guns, unless something has gone wrong.
Hmmm....well, I have one and it doesn't have any bill for making ammo.
Also, I assume Embrasures don't work with this. Just tried and they won't fire out of it. :)
Not having ammo at the start is a problem. Mostly just makes the machine table a research rush.
Performance on bows could use a bit of a tweak.
I might be missing it, but I can't find any category to store tactical vests, backpacks, etc, to make a stock pile.
When I attempt to haul it, it says that there is no empty place to store it and I have a stock pile that allows everything.
I've fixed the loadout loading bug, when NIA gets around to uploading the latest version affected save games should load normally.
In the mean time, you could open up your save game with a text editor, and search for "loadout". You should see something like this; [note, this is from a really quick test game - yours will likely have more information in it]
<components>
<li Class="BreakdownManager" />
<li Class="CommunityCoreLibrary.HideItemManager" />
<li Class="Combat_Realism.LoadoutManager">
<loadouts>
<li>
<label>Nothing</label>
<uniqueID>1</uniqueID>
<canBeDeleted>False</canBeDeleted>
<defaultLoadout>True</defaultLoadout>
<slots />
</li>
<li>
<label>Loadout1</label>
<uniqueID>2</uniqueID>
<slots />
</li>
<li>
<label>Loadout2</label>
<uniqueID>3</uniqueID>
<slots />
</li>
<li>
<label>Loadout3</label>
<uniqueID>4</uniqueID>
<slots />
</li>
</loadouts>
<assignments>
<li>
<pawn>Thing_Human42</pawn>
<loadout>Loadout_Loadout1_2</loadout>
</li>
<li>
<pawn>Thing_Human45</pawn>
<loadout>Loadout_Loadout2_3</loadout>
</li>
<li>
<pawn>null</pawn>
<loadout>Loadout_Loadout3_4</loadout>
</li>
</assignments>
</li>
</components>The part that is causing the error is this;
<li>
<pawn>null</pawn>
<loadout>Loadout_Loadout3_4</loadout>
</li>Feel free to delete any <li>blabla</li> block that has a 'null' pawn. If that doesn't work, just delete the whole <assignments>...</assignments> block and replace it with a single line: "<assignments />" (without the quotes ofcourse). That should fix it, but always back up the save game before you go messing with it.
Hi.
I want to report that mod has problem with social tab - It deletes that tab from colonist menu. I think that social relations are working correctly and you only can't check them what is annoying but I'm not 100% sure about it.
Anyway very good job with mod. Adding ammo to small arms and weight is great idea.
Quote from: nuschler22 on April 26, 2016, 03:02:20 PM
Quote from: jackarbiter on April 26, 2016, 02:55:29 PM
Quote from: nuschler22 on April 26, 2016, 02:25:46 PM
Thanks. Does it require a special research? I have a machinist bench and don't see any bill that allows ammo crafting.
Nope, if you have a (machining table, I called it the wrong thing earlier) it'll make all the stuff, ammo and guns, unless something has gone wrong.
Hmmm....well, I have one and it doesn't have any bill for making ammo.
Also, I assume Embrasures don't work with this. Just tried and they won't fire out of it. :)
Aren't the Embrasures just sandbags that can't be passed through and have more health?
Quote from: RomanPL79 on April 26, 2016, 05:01:38 PM
Hi.
I want to report that mod has problem with social tab - It deletes that tab from colonist menu. I think that social relations are working correctly and you only can't check them what is annoying but I'm not 100% sure about it.
Anyway very good job with mod. Adding ammo to small arms and weight is great idea.
I noticed this issue as well
Is it possible to have a toggle for "Hunkering Down" feature?
You cant order the colonist to do anything, even when drafted.
seems like its also impossible now to use embrasures.. they just refuse to shoot :/
Think it would be a good idea to release the ammo stuff in a separate package, like so CombatRealism_Ammo.
I like the idea, but the ammo causes so many compatibility issues with other mods.
Also, many people don't like the ammo management, and having an option to use it would be greatly appreciated.
New update is up, should fix the savegame corruption some people have been experiencing as well as the missing social tab and a number of other issues. At this point pretty much all the known bugs should be fixed but if there are some I missed please do let me know. Having people report these issues as they find them is part of the reason I have been able to fix all of them so quickly.
At this point I think I can start looking at adding turret integration and balancing the existing features to get the first "proper" A13 release out.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on April 26, 2016, 06:34:33 PM
New update is up, should fix the savegame corruption some people have been experiencing as well as the missing social tab and a number of other issues. At this point pretty much all the known bugs should be fixed but if there are some I missed please do let me know. Having people report these issues as they find them is part of the reason I have been able to fix all of them so quickly.
At this point I think I can start looking at adding turret integration and balancing the existing features to get the first "proper" A13 release out.
The backpack and maybe the tactical vest appear weird when a pawn is laying down
Quote from: Wishbringer on April 26, 2016, 06:24:29 PM
Think it would be a good idea to release the ammo stuff in a separate package, like so CombatRealism_Ammo.
A lot of people doesn't like the ammo management, and having an option to use it would be greatly appreciated.
There is little/no merit to wasting development cycles to remove features specifically, and painstakingly added to the mod.
If you don't like the core component(s) of the mod, then don't play with it. The whole point of combat realism, is to add more realism, it's in the name!
Quote from: porcupine on April 26, 2016, 07:05:45 PM
Quote from: Wishbringer on April 26, 2016, 06:24:29 PM
Think it would be a good idea to release the ammo stuff in a separate package, like so CombatRealism_Ammo.
A lot of people doesn't like the ammo management, and having an option to use it would be greatly appreciated.
There is little/no merit to wasting development cycles to remove features specifically, and painstakingly added to the mod.
If you don't like the core component(s) of the mod, then don't play with it. The whole point of combat realism, is to add more realism, it's in the name!
Some people, including me, find it to be too much micro-management. Stop taking thing personally when it's not even your mod.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on April 26, 2016, 06:34:33 PM
New update is up
Great work :)
Quote from: dareddevil7 on April 26, 2016, 06:43:01 PMThe backpack and maybe the tactical vest appear weird when a pawn is laying down
It's a known issue mentioned in the 1.6.0 release notes (at least I assume that's what "Tactical vest and backpack occasionally exhibit z-fighting" means). It's one of those hilarious bugs that had me trying to pick up a vest off a bed for 5 minutes (I'd stripped some stuff off a prisoner and later when the bed was for a normal colonist with a vest I kept thinking it was there).
I don't remember the aim being so bad in Alpha 12 for everyone. I can't find the "aiming" stat, perhaps I'm missing it.
I have a guy with 12 shooting and he can't hit anything with a decent firearm.
Feels like something's off. Maybe it's just me. People are wasting lots of now precious ammo shooting at something 1 or 2 squares away and not hitting anything. I'm skipping the shooting at this point and just having colonists melee raiders which is hardly the point.
I know a lot of hard work went into this and I appreciate it, but after using it for as long as I can remember it being available, it's a bit too micro-management for me at this point.
after playing around with it for quite a while i'd say the same tho, the ammo thing is a neat idea and all.. but its just so much micro and clutters everything its not even fun..
Quote from: DestroyX on April 26, 2016, 07:25:22 PM
after playing around with it for quite a while i'd say the same tho, the ammo thing is a neat idea and all.. but its just so much micro and clutters everything its not even fun..
I didn't find the few traders that stopped by ever had any ammo. And, for me at least, the machining table didn't have a bill to make it.
I had hundreds of rounds for two types of weapons. Unfortunately, that outfitted only two of my colonists (of five). I had quite a few handguns, but none of my colonists could hit anything with them so using them was futile.
:)
The loadouts keep it from being too much micro for me. I think a few tweaks here or there would resolve most issues for people, like a modded "no gun, low food" type alert about low .303 ammo (since there are so many types now). But I'm liking this better than the infinite ammo version, and I think when it's balanced right a lot of people will come around to the ammo side of things.
As for making ammo, you tend to make stacks of 500 pretty fast.
I think something was wrong with your game nuschler; in mine I could make ammo and my handgun pawns were deadly accurate up close.
Quote from: jackarbiter on April 26, 2016, 07:32:32 PM
The loadouts keep it from being too much micro for me. I think a few tweaks here or there would resolve most issues for people, like a modded "no gun, low food" type alert about low .303 ammo (since there are so many types now). But I'm liking this better than the infinite ammo version, and I think when it's balanced right a lot of people will come around to the ammo side of things.
As for making ammo, you tend to make stacks of 500 pretty fast.
I think something was wrong with your game nuschler; in mine I could make ammo and my handgun pawns were deadly accurate up close.
Might be. It was so bad it was comical, but frustrating. My "good" shooter wasted about 75 rounds trying to shoot a mad squirrel on the other side of a fence. I finally reloaded an earlier save and let my colonists melee it.
Using one of the rifles with a decent range, I tried to pick off siegers. Once again, about 100 rounds later, I don't think he hit one, even as they ignored him and moved closer as they built.
I'm using this with RimFire so maybe there is a conflict. I might try using just this.
Gotta say, I'm loving this update so far, from what i've played.
It seems as though limiting the ammo makes melee combat a lot more prevalent in the early game, and i'm loving it, it makes raids seem so much more tense. Hopefully arrows being craftable again will sort of alleviate some of the difficulty with starting a colony, though.
Hopefully you'll knock out the defenses package soon though because i'm hurting for that barbed wire & embrasures right now, gotta get my fortress builds going again.
Overloaded pawn attempting to reload caused game to hang and finally crash.
(Crash Landing mod is how i ended up with gear so early)
Pawn "Krista" was almost maxed out on bulk when i had it equip a charge rifle and pickup an ammo can for it. Then ordered it to equip a power armor but was told pawn was overloaded, so i just ordered it to haul the item. next thing i know the pawn had auto equipped the armor, ammo can in inventory had disappeared and the pawn was overloaded by 4 lbs. A good amount of text in the attached log refers to pawn "Krista" trying to pick up a meal then auto dropping it, just for the job giver to tell it to pick it up again. after some time another pawn got the animal revenge event while hunting with a knife. I had pawn Krista go kill the animals and burned off 12 shots. I ordered Krista to reload thinking it might help with the over weight issue. Game hung up then crashed.
file is larger than the 600kb allowed on forum for attachments.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B8WqZQDKPmQ2VnQzbllaYVVZTFk (https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B8WqZQDKPmQ2VnQzbllaYVVZTFk)
as for the people having issues with the machining bench not having bills to make ammo. completely close rimworld and reload. that will fix that issue.
Quote from: nuschler22 on April 26, 2016, 07:40:27 PM
Quote from: jackarbiter on April 26, 2016, 07:32:32 PM
The loadouts keep it from being too much micro for me. I think a few tweaks here or there would resolve most issues for people, like a modded "no gun, low food" type alert about low .303 ammo (since there are so many types now). But I'm liking this better than the infinite ammo version, and I think when it's balanced right a lot of people will come around to the ammo side of things.
As for making ammo, you tend to make stacks of 500 pretty fast.
I think something was wrong with your game nuschler; in mine I could make ammo and my handgun pawns were deadly accurate up close.
Might be. It was so bad it was comical, but frustrating. My "good" shooter wasted about 75 rounds trying to shoot a mad squirrel on the other side of a fence. I finally reloaded an earlier save and let my colonists melee it.
Using one of the rifles with a decent range, I tried to pick off siegers. Once again, about 100 rounds later, I don't think he hit one, even as they ignored him and moved closer as they built.
I'm using this with RimFire so maybe there is a conflict. I might try using just this.
I might be incorrect but I'm fairly sure low lying animals (such as a squirrel) are near impossible to hit shooting over or through something just as shooting through a bunch of trees you are likely not going to hit anything making clear sight-lines (removing rubble and trees) very important for shooting especially at long range. I've also noticed that if your target is moving when your pawn fires you seem to have a much higher chance to miss due to them attempting to lead the target. I feel all this together makes hitting a sporadic little squirrel over a fence a real challenge which it should be realistically.
Quote from: nuschler22 on April 26, 2016, 07:40:27 PM
I'm using this with RimFire so maybe there is a conflict. I might try using just this.
Here's the patch for combat realism and rimfire: https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=9536.msg212677#msg212677
Load it after combat realism, and don't use the non combat realism rimfire mod. It should work since my accuracy is fine.
Wow looks like every issue I had is now gone. Nice.
Oh, and this could just be me, but I can't seem to find high-caliber sabot, HE, or incendiary bullets? In fact, the only bullets(as in not fuel cells, charged ammo, etc) I found where all just FMJ, AP, and HP.
Bows and pilas don't actually work at all. A colonist with both types of arrows and pilas in their inventory will not fire with bows or a pila, nor do they have any gizmos like all the other weapons.
I found this out shortly after a manhunter pack of wargs came and the only reliable weapon I had at the time were bows. Fun.
I'm having some problems with the ammo system and I'm hoping I can get some help. For some reason, my pawns don't seem to reload their weapons, and right clicking on ammo in storage doesn't bring up anything other than a Haul command. Additionally, I see the "loadout generator error" in some pawns' inventory. (Could these be related?)
I'm on A13 using CCL, Combat Realism 1.6.2, Combat Realism Defense (possible source of the problem?), EdBPrepareCarefully, EdBColonistBar, and Expanded Prosthetics.
Any ideas anyone?
EDIT: Here's some output from my game log with errors, could this mean anything?
EDIT2: I also can't use bows, may be related to the problem posted above?
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/StandalonePlayerGenerated/UnityEngineDebug.cpp Line: 56)
XML error: <basePowerConsumption>900</basePowerConsumption> doesn't correspond to any field in type CompProperties.
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/StandalonePlayerGenerated/UnityEngineDebug.cpp Line: 56)
XML error: <combatTargetBuilding>true</combatTargetBuilding> doesn't correspond to any field in type ThingDef.
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/StandalonePlayerGenerated/UnityEngineDebug.cpp Line: 56)
XML error: <basePowerConsumption>600</basePowerConsumption> doesn't correspond to any field in type CompProperties.
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/StandalonePlayerGenerated/UnityEngineDebug.cpp Line: 56)
XML error: <combatTargetBuilding>true</combatTargetBuilding> doesn't correspond to any field in type ThingDef.
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/StandalonePlayerGenerated/UnityEngineDebug.cpp Line: 56)
XML error: <manWorkType>Violent</manWorkType> doesn't correspond to any field in type CompProperties.
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/StandalonePlayerGenerated/UnityEngineDebug.cpp Line: 56)
XML error: <combatTargetBuilding>true</combatTargetBuilding> doesn't correspond to any field in type ThingDef.
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/StandalonePlayerGenerated/UnityEngineDebug.cpp Line: 56)
XML error: <manWorkType>Violent</manWorkType> doesn't correspond to any field in type CompProperties.
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/StandalonePlayerGenerated/UnityEngineDebug.cpp Line: 56)
XML error: <combatTargetBuilding>true</combatTargetBuilding> doesn't correspond to any field in type ThingDef.
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/StandalonePlayerGenerated/UnityEngineDebug.cpp Line: 56)
XML error: <manWorkType>Violent</manWorkType> doesn't correspond to any field in type CompProperties.
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/StandalonePlayerGenerated/UnityEngineDebug.cpp Line: 56)
XML error: <combatTargetBuilding>true</combatTargetBuilding> doesn't correspond to any field in type ThingDef.
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/StandalonePlayerGenerated/UnityEngineDebug.cpp Line: 56)
XML error: <manWorkType>Violent</manWorkType> doesn't correspond to any field in type CompProperties.
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/StandalonePlayerGenerated/UnityEngineDebug.cpp Line: 56)
XML error: <combatTargetBuilding>true</combatTargetBuilding> doesn't correspond to any field in type ThingDef.
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/StandalonePlayerGenerated/UnityEngineDebug.cpp Line: 56)
XML error: <nameMaker>NamerGun</nameMaker> doesn't correspond to any field in type CompProperties.
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/StandalonePlayerGenerated/UnityEngineDebug.cpp Line: 56)
XML error: <descriptionMaker>ArtWeaponGun</descriptionMaker> doesn't correspond to any field in type CompProperties.
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/StandalonePlayerGenerated/UnityEngineDebug.cpp Line: 56)
XML error: <minQualityForArtistic>Excellent</minQualityForArtistic> doesn't correspond to any field in type CompProperties.
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/StandalonePlayerGenerated/UnityEngineDebug.cpp Line: 56)
Could not find type named Combat_Realism.CompProperties_AP from node <li Class="Combat_Realism.CompProperties_AP"><compClass>Combat_Realism.CompAP</compClass><armorPenetration>0.775</armorPenetration></li>
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/StandalonePlayerGenerated/UnityEngineDebug.cpp Line: 56)
Could not find a type named Combat_Realism.CompAP
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/StandalonePlayerGenerated/UnityEngineDebug.cpp Line: 56)
XML error: <armorPenetration>0.775</armorPenetration> doesn't correspond to any field in type CompProperties.
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/StandalonePlayerGenerated/UnityEngineDebug.cpp Line: 56)
XML error: <nameMaker>NamerGun</nameMaker> doesn't correspond to any field in type CompProperties.
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/StandalonePlayerGenerated/UnityEngineDebug.cpp Line: 56)
XML error: <descriptionMaker>ArtWeaponGun</descriptionMaker> doesn't correspond to any field in type CompProperties.
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/StandalonePlayerGenerated/UnityEngineDebug.cpp Line: 56)
XML error: <minQualityForArtistic>Excellent</minQualityForArtistic> doesn't correspond to any field in type CompProperties.
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/StandalonePlayerGenerated/UnityEngineDebug.cpp Line: 56)
Could not find type named Combat_Realism.CompProperties_AP from node <li Class="Combat_Realism.CompProperties_AP"><compClass>Combat_Realism.CompAP</compClass><armorPenetration>1.0</armorPenetration></li>
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/StandalonePlayerGenerated/UnityEngineDebug.cpp Line: 56)
Could not find a type named Combat_Realism.CompAP
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/StandalonePlayerGenerated/UnityEngineDebug.cpp Line: 56)
XML error: <armorPenetration>1.0</armorPenetration> doesn't correspond to any field in type CompProperties.
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/StandalonePlayerGenerated/UnityEngineDebug.cpp Line: 56)
XML error: <nameMaker>NamerGun</nameMaker> doesn't correspond to any field in type CompProperties.
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/StandalonePlayerGenerated/UnityEngineDebug.cpp Line: 56)
XML error: <descriptionMaker>ArtWeaponGun</descriptionMaker> doesn't correspond to any field in type CompProperties.
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/StandalonePlayerGenerated/UnityEngineDebug.cpp Line: 56)
XML error: <minQualityForArtistic>Excellent</minQualityForArtistic> doesn't correspond to any field in type CompProperties.
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/StandalonePlayerGenerated/UnityEngineDebug.cpp Line: 56)
Could not find type named Combat_Realism.CompProperties_AP from node <li Class="Combat_Realism.CompProperties_AP"><compClass>Combat_Realism.CompAP</compClass><armorPenetration>1.0</armorPenetration></li>
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/StandalonePlayerGenerated/UnityEngineDebug.cpp Line: 56)
Could not find a type named Combat_Realism.CompAP
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/StandalonePlayerGenerated/UnityEngineDebug.cpp Line: 56)
XML error: <armorPenetration>1.0</armorPenetration> doesn't correspond to any field in type CompProperties.
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/StandalonePlayerGenerated/UnityEngineDebug.cpp Line: 56)
XML error: <nameMaker>NamerGun</nameMaker> doesn't correspond to any field in type CompProperties.
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/StandalonePlayerGenerated/UnityEngineDebug.cpp Line: 56)
XML error: <descriptionMaker>ArtWeaponGun</descriptionMaker> doesn't correspond to any field in type CompProperties.
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/StandalonePlayerGenerated/UnityEngineDebug.cpp Line: 56)
XML error: <minQualityForArtistic>Excellent</minQualityForArtistic> doesn't correspond to any field in type CompProperties.
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/StandalonePlayerGenerated/UnityEngineDebug.cpp Line: 56)
Could not find type named Combat_Realism.CompProperties_AP from node <li Class="Combat_Realism.CompProperties_AP"><compClass>Combat_Realism.CompAP</compClass><armorPenetration>0.7</armorPenetration></li>
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/StandalonePlayerGenerated/UnityEngineDebug.cpp Line: 56)
Could not find a type named Combat_Realism.CompAP
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/StandalonePlayerGenerated/UnityEngineDebug.cpp Line: 56)
XML error: <armorPenetration>0.7</armorPenetration> doesn't correspond to any field in type CompProperties.
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/StandalonePlayerGenerated/UnityEngineDebug.cpp Line: 56)
Could not find type named Combat_Realism.ThingDef_ProjectileFrag from node <ThingDef Class="Combat_Realism.ThingDef_ProjectileFrag" Abstract="True"><category>Projectile</category><tickerType>Normal</tickerType><altitudeLayer>Projectile</altitudeLayer><thingClass>Combat_Realism.ProjectileCR_Frag</thingClass><label>90mm round</label><useHitPoints>False</useHitPoints><neverMultiSelect>True</neverMultiSelect><graphicData><shaderType>TransparentPostLight</shaderType><texPath>Things/Projectile/ShellBomb</texPath><graphicClass>Graphic_Single</graphicClass></graphicData><defName>Bullet_FlakTurret</defName><projectile><damageDef>Bomb</damageDef><damageAmountBase>250</damageAmountBase><speed>160</speed><explosionRadius>1.6</explosionRadius><soundExplode>Explosion</soundExplode></projectile><fragRange>7.0</fragRange><fragProjectileSmall>Fragment_HeatSmall</fragProjectileSmall><fragAmountSmall>50</fragAmountSmall><fragProjectileMedium>Fragment_HeatMedium</fragProjectileMedium><fragAmountMedium>60</fragAmountMedium><fragProjectileLarge>Fragment_HeatLarge</fragProjectileLarge><fragAmountLarge>25</fragAmountLarge></ThingDef>
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/StandalonePlayerGenerated/UnityEngineDebug.cpp Line: 56)
Could not find a type named Combat_Realism.ProjectileCR_Frag
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/StandalonePlayerGenerated/UnityEngineDebug.cpp Line: 56)
XML error: <fragRange>7.0</fragRange> doesn't correspond to any field in type ThingDef.
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/StandalonePlayerGenerated/UnityEngineDebug.cpp Line: 56)
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Quote from: Arrowstar on April 26, 2016, 10:11:05 PM
I'm on A13 using CCL, Combat Realism 1.6.2, Combat Realism Defense (possible source of the problem?), EdBPrepareCarefully, EdBColonistBar, and Expanded Prosthetics.
Well for starters Combat Realism Defense isn't updated (He's working on getting the turret to use ammo properly) so remove that. You'll also need the EPOE Combat Realism patch, It's on the first post under patches/compatibility I believe. Make sure you have the patch after combat realism and EPOE in your mod order.
Is anyone else having an issue with the Loadouts just not working. I set them up and assign them to colonists, and they never equip them. I can't make them pick up ammo either through the Loadouts or manually. I'm really confused. CCL and Combat Realism are the only mods I have installed.
I can start a game fine right now and everything in-game seems to be working properly with all my mods but I can't ever load up a saved game once I go back to menu or close game. Same mods, same order.
Here's my error log showing mods and order as well in case that helps.
http://imgur.com/v5IscrO
Also this is what's in the log when I start a new colony.
http://imgur.com/BFqAJjs
Quote from: The_Haminator on April 27, 2016, 12:08:29 AM
Here's my error log showing mods and order as well in case that helps.
http://imgur.com/v5IscrO
From what I can tell you're still using Combat Realism Core, not Combat Realism 1.6.2 (The most recent update). Also your mod order should be as follows:
Core
CCL
Combat Realism 1.6.2
Rimfire 2.0 Combat Realism
Everything else. Don't load EDB's stuff before the 'core' mods.
If you have a pawn with grenades equipped and the same type in the inventory, unequipping the grenade will delete it (it doesn't add to the inventory grenade count).
is the loadout section supposed to be a tab at the bottom? If so, I appear to be missing it somehow
Quote from: 25wes25 on April 27, 2016, 12:25:14 AM
Quote from: The_Haminator on April 27, 2016, 12:08:29 AM
Here's my error log showing mods and order as well in case that helps.
http://imgur.com/v5IscrO
From what I can tell you're still using Combat Realism Core, not Combat Realism 1.6.2 (The most recent update). Also your mod order should be as follows:
Core
CCL
Combat Realism 1.6.2
Rimfire 2.0 Combat Realism
Everything else. Don't load EDB's stuff before the 'core' mods.
Combat Realism Core is what it's calling 1.6.2 in the mod order for me. I removed previous versions. I'll try reordering the mods and see if that works out, thanks for the reply.
Quote from: The_Haminator on April 27, 2016, 12:36:18 AM
Combat Realism Core is what it's calling 1.6.2 in the mod order for me. I removed previous versions. I'll try reordering the mods and see if that works out, thanks for the reply.
Huh, you're right my bad. I had my mod folder open, not the in game menu. Still though I believe the null being generated was fixed in 1.6.2, so I can't help you out if it wasn't simply your mod order.
Quote from: 25wes25 on April 27, 2016, 12:43:27 AM
Quote from: The_Haminator on April 27, 2016, 12:36:18 AM
Combat Realism Core is what it's calling 1.6.2 in the mod order for me. I removed previous versions. I'll try reordering the mods and see if that works out, thanks for the reply.
Huh, you're right my bad. I had my mod folder open, not the in game menu. Still though I believe the null being generated was fixed in 1.6.2, so I can't help you out if it wasn't simply your mod order.
But it DOES say it's version 1.6.1 when I click the info button for Combat Realism Core in Ebd's mod order. Does it say that for yours?
Quote from: The_Haminator on April 27, 2016, 12:46:26 AM
But it DOES say it's version 1.6.1 when I click the info button for Combat Realism Core in Ebd's mod order. Does it say that for yours?
Yeah, that's no biggy though. NIA must have just forgot to change the version number, the changes are in there though.
Quote from: absolutist on April 27, 2016, 12:28:40 AM
is the loadout section supposed to be a tab at the bottom? If so, I appear to be missing it somehow
It's on the same tab as outfits
Quote from: AllenWL on April 27, 2016, 01:03:45 AM
Quote from: absolutist on April 27, 2016, 12:28:40 AM
is the loadout section supposed to be a tab at the bottom? If so, I appear to be missing it somehow
It's on the same tab as outfits
interesting. doesn't seem to be showing up for me. AutoEquip mod may be conflicting with it
I think the boomalopes really need to be looked at. Traders arrived with some boomalopes, and the boomalopes aren't moving. They just sit there at the edge of the map. They don't cause lag anymore, but they still don't seem to move.
Edit: Anyone know when pawns go fill up their 'loadout' bar? I currently have them on a loadout of
Knife
Arrow 30
We don't have knives, but we do have arrows. However, the pawns aren't picking up arrows.
Edit: My bad, didn't assign the loadout to the pawns. Woops
Quote from: SteelRev on April 26, 2016, 08:10:54 PM
Overloaded pawn attempting to reload caused game to hang and finally crash.
Output log says you are still using v1.6.1. 1.6.2 made some changes that should make cases like this handle more gracefully.
Quote from: Goldenpotatoes on April 26, 2016, 09:39:03 PM
Bows and pilas don't actually work at all. A colonist with both types of arrows and pilas in their inventory will not fire with bows or a pila, nor do they have any gizmos like all the other weapons.
I found this out shortly after a manhunter pack of wargs came and the only reliable weapon I had at the time were bows. Fun.
I can't reproduce this. Added regular and great bows and pilas into test inventory and they all worked just fine. What was the exact context you had your issue in?
Quote from: The_Haminator on April 27, 2016, 12:08:29 AM
I can start a game fine right now and everything in-game seems to be working properly with all my mods but I can't ever load up a saved game once I go back to menu or close game. Same mods, same order.
Seems like there is another issue with the loadout saving. We'll look into it.
Edit: After reproducing the issue, it looks like you forgot to restart the game after changing your mod order. Saving in that broken state leads to the same error as yours.
Quote from: AllenWL on April 27, 2016, 01:52:52 AM
I think the boomalopes really need to be looked at. Traders arrived with some boomalopes, and the boomalopes aren't moving. They just sit there at the edge of the map. They don't cause lag anymore, but they still don't seem to move.
I had a preliminary look at it but it seems like a CCL issue. I know E made modifications to the original code I submitted to him and it seems to have broken things. Either that or CCL's documentation on the usage is outdated. Either way it'll be fixed with the next batch of bugs.
Quote from: The_Haminator on April 26, 2016, 09:16:50 PM
Quote from: nuschler22 on April 26, 2016, 07:40:27 PM
Quote from: jackarbiter on April 26, 2016, 07:32:32 PM
The loadouts keep it from being too much micro for me. I think a few tweaks here or there would resolve most issues for people, like a modded "no gun, low food" type alert about low .303 ammo (since there are so many types now). But I'm liking this better than the infinite ammo version, and I think when it's balanced right a lot of people will come around to the ammo side of things.
As for making ammo, you tend to make stacks of 500 pretty fast.
I think something was wrong with your game nuschler; in mine I could make ammo and my handgun pawns were deadly accurate up close.
Might be. It was so bad it was comical, but frustrating. My "good" shooter wasted about 75 rounds trying to shoot a mad squirrel on the other side of a fence. I finally reloaded an earlier save and let my colonists melee it.
Using one of the rifles with a decent range, I tried to pick off siegers. Once again, about 100 rounds later, I don't think he hit one, even as they ignored him and moved closer as they built.
I'm using this with RimFire so maybe there is a conflict. I might try using just this.
I might be incorrect but I'm fairly sure low lying animals (such as a squirrel) are near impossible to hit shooting over or through something just as shooting through a bunch of trees you are likely not going to hit anything making clear sight-lines (removing rubble and trees) very important for shooting especially at long range. I've also noticed that if your target is moving when your pawn fires you seem to have a much higher chance to miss due to them attempting to lead the target. I feel all this together makes hitting a sporadic little squirrel over a fence a real challenge which it should be realistically.
I want to comment on this conversation:
If your aim is to
hit a target on long range you will want to make sure that you
1) try to have a good shot at them. If your target is
shorter than a tree and there are many trees in the way you're better off changing position
to find a better shot.
2) set up your attacker accordingly - if you want to
hit the target you set the attacker to
aimed mode and preferably
single shot as well, if
your aim is to
suppress the target you will want to use
burst mode and if you feel like you have way too much ammo use
auto mode.
Recoil can screw you up massively (try shooting a target with a rifle on full auto and see how each next bullet of the burst impacts further
away from the target).
3) come up with a better method. Maybe your 20 shooting sniper wielder is a boss but it's just not possible to have him luck out and get bullets
to fly past each tree in the forest - get a better weapon for the situation. Shotguns and SMGs are amazing weapons due to their low recoil and
large bullet throughput which makes them similar to assault rifles but more accurate - besides you won't hit as many obstacles at low range.
So a raider killed the boomalope, and apparently, boomalope explosions don't light fires either...
Quote from: AllenWL on April 27, 2016, 06:20:38 AM
So a raider killed the boomalope, and apparently, boomalope explosions don't light fires either...
They don't light fires in vanilla either. Only incendiary and thermobaric weapons set flammable objects on fire and only incendiary weapons spawn fuel puddles which burn for a long duration afterwards.
Huh? Last I checked, both boomalope and boomrat explosions lighted fires in vanilla...
(https://i.gyazo.com/fd9d1334e2e36c17a794d1dfae8a0e1f.png)
2 bugs.
First, the centipede is unable to use his inferno cannon (he tries to do an aimed shot but then he gets prompted to reload and uses an ammo).
Second, my colonist is unable to damage the thing aside from certain censors as you can see in the picture. My colonist uses AP ammo assault rifle.
Used the latest pre-release build 1.6.2
Can somebody throw me a link to the Combat Realism defense download?
I know that's not ready for full on use in A13 yet, but I've got a serious itch for embrasures + barbed wire + tons of landmines, and i'm down to make all the defs A13 compatable myself, but in my infinite wisdom, I deleted my CR Defense folder.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on April 27, 2016, 06:36:05 AM
Quote from: AllenWL on April 27, 2016, 06:20:38 AM
So a raider killed the boomalope, and apparently, boomalope explosions don't light fires either...
They don't light fires in vanilla either.
They light fires in vanilla, but I would prefer they didn't, especially if we are gonna be milking them. Chain reaction boomalopes made me consider modding them out.
BTW, do you have a copy of your list of weapon stats? Gotta mod a few older weapons in and would like to make them compatible.
Quote from: Krutchen on April 27, 2016, 07:06:55 AM
Can somebody throw me a link to the Combat Realism defense download?
I know that's not ready for full on use in A13 yet, but I've got a serious itch for embrasures + barbed wire + tons of landmines, and i'm down to make all the defs A13 compatable myself, but in my infinite wisdom, I deleted my CR Defense folder.
https://github.com/NoImageAvailable/CombatRealism/releases/tag/v1.5.0
Quote from: Pletter on April 27, 2016, 06:56:46 AM
Second, my colonist is unable to damage the thing aside from certain censors as you can see in the picture. My colonist uses AP ammo assault rifle.
Used the latest pre-release build 1.6.2
Possibly, assault rifle ammo, even the AP verity, isn't strong enough to penetrate centipede armor, and the sensors aren't covered by ammo.
Maybe try sniper rifles/charge rifles or explosives?
Quote from: 25wes25 on April 27, 2016, 12:25:14 AM
Quote from: The_Haminator on April 27, 2016, 12:08:29 AM
Here's my error log showing mods and order as well in case that helps.
http://imgur.com/v5IscrO
From what I can tell you're still using Combat Realism Core, not Combat Realism 1.6.2 (The most recent update). Also your mod order should be as follows:
Core
CCL
Combat Realism 1.6.2
Rimfire 2.0 Combat Realism
Everything else. Don't load EDB's stuff before the 'core' mods.
Hey so thanks for the help here. I changed my order and got playing last night. First game on an ice sheet and was having an absolute blast (fighting off frostbite, power demands and starvation) even killed a thrumbo (using one pawn to run around my chunk pile while the other two lit it up).
Before I knew it 4 hours had passed so I saved crossed my fingers and closed the game. I was prepared to lose yet another fun game but I went back in and it loaded up no problem! So awesome!, this is a must have mod in my opinion.
edit - spelling
Is it safe to play with a newer version on a world which used an older version of the mod?
Quote from: absolutist on April 27, 2016, 01:19:26 AM
Quote from: AllenWL on April 27, 2016, 01:03:45 AM
Quote from: absolutist on April 27, 2016, 12:28:40 AM
is the loadout section supposed to be a tab at the bottom? If so, I appear to be missing it somehow
It's on the same tab as outfits
interesting. doesn't seem to be showing up for me. AutoEquip mod may be conflicting with it
I can confirm that AutoEquip conflicts and removes the loadout, haven't tried loading AutoEquip before CR. Just to let anyone know that has the same issue
For those who are using skullywag's embrasures, colonists are unable to shoot through them while standing in front of them, but having a colonist taking cover behind a wall next to the embrasure lets them shoot through it.
Just trying to make a list of what gun uses what ammo, which was basically spawning in every weapon then spawning in the bullets next to the guns. It really puts some things into perspective, like wow having just vanilla rimworld and CR really limits your options.
Not a single vanilla gun that uses high-caliber rounds, and most seems to use what's basically pistol rounds.
With rimfire+CR, you get a bit more guns, and nearly all ammo are used. You certainly get access to all types anyways. Most guns just have FMJ, AP, HP ammo though.
So far, shotguns seems to be unrivaled as the most versatile weapons. They have birdshot(shotgun version of HP basically. 40 pallets per shot), buckshot(shotgun-ver FMJ), slug(sort of the shotgun AP round. Actually has armor penetration similar to a FMJ pistol round, but damage that is pretty much unrivaled by anything that doesn't use explosives), beanbag(non-lethal) and a EMP shot, giving them a much wider usage than most guns.
While high caliber guns come close in the number of different bullets, all bullets are basically different ways of taking down heavily armored targets.
The shotguns however, can have their uses change almost completely with different bullets(you're probably not going to take beanbags into battle, or spray that scyther with a birdshot. Nor will you use slugs to break up a fight[at least I hope not...], or hunt rabbits with a EMP round)
Also, the RPG ammo seems to be the only ammunition that only stacks up to 25
(note that these are just observations made from the info panel for the different ammo, and there has been barely any playtesting)
Edit: Also, I found a possible 'exploit' I suppose you can call it. You can get around a pawn's '75' carry capacity by having the pawn 'pick up' the items into his inventory, then haul what's left. A single pawn who isn't weighed down by anything can carry nearly 150 items in one go like this. As it is, it's easy to have a pawn carry 100+ items at once, though it does take a bit of micromanaging.
How to take ammo?
I still at work and haven't used the 1.6.2 version yet, but have backpacks and tact vest been fixed yet? My pawns can't haul them because they aren't classified in the storage system and my pawns refuse to ware them unless forced. I see they can be crafted at the tailor bench and worn as apparel but other than that the game doesn't recognise the items.
Edit: damn you auto-correct
I'm not sure why, but the ammo thing just plain doesn't work for me. I can see the load out creation dummies as well. The machining table does not have any bills to make ammo, and on top of that if i simply spawn in the ammo my colonists pretends its not even there. Once the gun runs out of ammo its GG gun. I also don't seem to be able to loot ammo off of dead people, not sure how its supposed to work since it has never worked but no ammo ever pops out unless I got dev mode and spawn it in. I've stripped my mods down to just CCL 1.31 (also tried 1.30) and Combat Realism 1.6.2 to minimize issues. Help?
Quote from: Cuddles on April 27, 2016, 02:28:32 PM
I'm not sure why, but the ammo thing just plain doesn't work for me. I can see the load out creation dummies as well. The machining table does not have any bills to make ammo, and on top of that if i simply spawn in the ammo my colonists pretends its not even there. Once the gun runs out of ammo its GG gun. I also don't seem to be able to loot ammo off of dead people, not sure how its supposed to work since it has never worked but no ammo ever pops out unless I got dev mode and spawn it in. I've stripped my mods down to just CCL 1.31 (also tried 1.30) and Combat Realism 1.6.2 to minimize issues. Help?
Did you remember to restart the game after opening the mod menu?
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on April 27, 2016, 02:47:38 PM
Quote from: Cuddles on April 27, 2016, 02:28:32 PM
I'm not sure why, but the ammo thing just plain doesn't work for me. I can see the load out creation dummies as well. The machining table does not have any bills to make ammo, and on top of that if i simply spawn in the ammo my colonists pretends its not even there. Once the gun runs out of ammo its GG gun. I also don't seem to be able to loot ammo off of dead people, not sure how its supposed to work since it has never worked but no ammo ever pops out unless I got dev mode and spawn it in. I've stripped my mods down to just CCL 1.31 (also tried 1.30) and Combat Realism 1.6.2 to minimize issues. Help?
Did you remember to restart the game after opening the mod menu?
Wow, um ok then. I guess that worked. I didn't even know that was a thing tbh. Thanks!
Quote from: dareddevil7 on April 27, 2016, 12:41:06 PM
For those who are using skullywag's embrasures, colonists are unable to shoot through them while standing in front of them, but having a colonist taking cover behind a wall next to the embrasure lets them shoot through it.
While that may be a bug, IMHO that's how embrasures should work. After having used 'em in A12, I think they needed a big-time nerfing. Anything you can shoot through with absolute impunity might as well be an stationary invincibility shield (yeah, I know they could be damaged, but you could just lock colonists doing repairs inside 'em).
Also, having them between walls makes sense to me (you wouldn't have a continuous row of embrasures in real life, you'd have solid gaps between 'em to hide behind), and it really should be setup so both sides suffer massive penalties when > 1 space away (I think I had a turret in the center of a room made of 'em, which didn't make a wink of sense). Last but not least, people inside 'em should still get suppressed, and attackers within 1 tile on the outside should have a decent chance of lobbing crap in (IE: a grenade, moltov, etc., through the hole).
I was playing A12 with the "modvarietypack", I'm not sure which embrasures were in play with that collection of mods, I just recall they were unreasonably OP. One colonist with rifle, and another capable of repairing were effectively invincible locked inside 'em, without even needing micro-management at that point.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on April 27, 2016, 02:47:38 PM
Quote from: Cuddles on April 27, 2016, 02:28:32 PM
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Did you remember to restart the game after opening the mod menu?
It's almost like RW needs a mod (or Tynan's fingers!) to put a "save changes and exit game" button on the mod menu, with no other exit option, to force reloads :D
Quote from: jackarbiter on April 27, 2016, 10:47:53 AM
https://github.com/NoImageAvailable/CombatRealism/releases/tag/v1.5.0
You're a wonderful man, Thanks a ton, dude.
An issue is that there is no way to have a pawn change the ammo type they will be using, what do I do when the guy in power armor gets to my doorstep and my survival rifle man is stuck with HP
Quote from: dareddevil7 on April 27, 2016, 05:48:41 PM
An issue is that there is no way to have a pawn change the ammo type they will be using, what do I do when the guy in power armor gets to my doorstep and my survival rifle man is stuck with HP
Right-clicking the reload button brings up the menu for switching ammo types.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on April 27, 2016, 05:51:08 PM
Quote from: dareddevil7 on April 27, 2016, 05:48:41 PM
An issue is that there is no way to have a pawn change the ammo type they will be using, what do I do when the guy in power armor gets to my doorstep and my survival rifle man is stuck with HP
Right-clicking the reload button brings up the menu for switching ammo types.
Oh, I didn't know that, thanks, I would never have figured that out myself
Is anyone else having this issue? My pawns are getting stuck in a loop where they repeatedly attempt to pick up a simple meal that pushes their bulk over it's limit. So then they put down the simple meal and try again. I've tried setting them to carry less ammo but I want at least two back up clips for my assault rifles.
Is it just me, or do great bows need a buff? I was doing some testing with a rank 20 shooter on other colonists (because I'm a monster) and not only was she useless aiming in a clear field at an upright pawn in bright light at middle range but if the pawn is wearing any clothing at all you get bruises. The worst injuries I was able to inflict were small cuts and minor cracks in bones. I was using apparello and might have been doing things wrong so I'll run more tests later. Other weapons were absolutely lethal (other than a railgun, same problem with bruises) and the shooter was in perfect health. I was also using epoe with patches, and yes, I restarted the game and made a new world. :D Sorry in advance if they are added by someone else.
Quote from: cnileoleman on April 27, 2016, 06:57:37 PM
Is it just me, or do great bows need a buff? I was doing some testing with a rank 20 shooter on other colonists (because I'm a monster) and not only was she useless aiming in a clear field at an upright pawn in bright light at middle range but if the pawn is wearing any clothing at all you get bruises. The worst injuries I was able to inflict were small cuts and minor cracks in bones. I was using apparello and might have been doing things wrong so I'll run more tests later. Other weapons were absolutely lethal (other than a railgun, same problem with bruises) and the shooter was in perfect health. I was also using epoe with patches, and yes, I restarted the game and made a new world. :D Sorry in advance if they are added by someone else.
Yeah, I had a skill 10 shooter with a masterwork great bow only applying bruises and very occasionally, cuts. I think it may be due to balance with how easy it is to mass-produce arrows and how tribal raids can get fairly huge mid-late game. Apparello gear for the most part doesn't have too crazy stats on most of its usual apparel so its not like its soaking up a load of damage.
So, I noticed that Tac Vests use shoulders, and Backpacks use torso bodygroups, is there a way to wear something on your neck?
Trying to make it so that I can have someone wearing a Tac Vest and using a modded Medieval shield. Also, regarding bows being poop, if I can get it working I'll toss you guys my changes, because Steel & Plasteel arrows can sort of improve the effectiveness of a bow. I have the arrows in, I just messed up on the crafting spot recipe and it's probably like a single misspelled word, Lol.
Yep, Plassteel instead of Plasteel, gonna do some testing to make sure it all works, then i'll attach a zip.
Is it now impossible to have pawns survive a shot to the brain to then fall into a coma, left in the coma as to not anger the other colonists by euthanizing them
Quote from: cnileoleman on April 27, 2016, 06:57:37 PM
Is it just me, or do great bows need a buff? I was doing some testing with a rank 20 shooter on other colonists (because I'm a monster) and not only was she useless aiming in a clear field at an upright pawn in bright light at middle range but if the pawn is wearing any clothing at all you get bruises. The worst injuries I was able to inflict were small cuts and minor cracks in bones. I was using apparello and might have been doing things wrong so I'll run more tests later. Other weapons were absolutely lethal (other than a railgun, same problem with bruises) and the shooter was in perfect health. I was also using epoe with patches, and yes, I restarted the game and made a new world. :D Sorry in advance if they are added by someone else.
What was the quality of the bow?
Also what clothes where the target wearing, and what was it's armor values?
Did you use snapshot or aimed shot?
My colonists are using a short bow and stone arrows with poor/shoddy quality, and they have levels averaging about 6, 7 or so, and they still manage to take down their targets easily enough. The stone arrow gave cuts and cracked bones with a damage of 10 to unarmored enemies.
Even a single shoddy armor vest was enough to reduce practically all injures to a damage-1 bruise though, because the arrows have a horrible armor penetration.
Quote from: AllenWL on April 27, 2016, 09:18:47 PM
What was the quality of the bow?
Also what clothes where the target wearing, and what was it's armor values?
Did you use snapshot or aimed shot?
My colonists are using a short bow and stone arrows with poor/shoddy quality, and they have levels averaging about 6, 7 or so, and they still manage to take down their targets easily enough. The stone arrow gave cuts and cracked bones with a damage of 10 to unarmored enemies.
Even a single shoddy armor vest was enough to reduce practically all injures to a damage-1 bruise though, because the arrows have a horrible armor penetration.
Normal quality, as I dropped with it all using Prepare carefully. "Subject" was wearing normal synthread shirt, other that received minor cuts was wearing no shirt. Didn't bother testing armor after those results. Using an aimed shot. I'll take down armor values in the future but didn't feel it necessary for a normal quality vanilla item. FOR SCIENCE!!!!!!
Ok, did some quick testing, and found something.. weird.
Used a normal great bow as the weapon, a colonist with a shooting level of 8, and three targets, all dressed in synthread.
The results?
Aiming: A area with no cover(used the 'clear area' dev command thing), 14 tiles away from the shooter(about half the range of the bow), aimed shots.
Accuracy isn't bad, actually, about two out of three shots hit the target...
IF the target is a full-grown colonist with a body size of 100%.
When the target was a teenager with a smaller body size, only about one in four, five shots landed.
Damage: Slightly weird thing here. It looks like synthread does block arrows, reducing the great arrow's 12 base damage into 5, and if it's a jacket, 3, bruises and cracks only.
However, for some reason, the first target, who also had synthread clothes, had the arrows penetrate, giving cuts that dealt 8 damage, and often hit organs as well, taking him down in about 3 hits.
I think there needs to be some research into how the quality of the clothes effect it's defensive properties, because no matter how advanced synthread is, a t-shirt blocking arrows is ridiculous. Clothing probably shouldn't have a very high defense against cutting attacks.
NoImageAvailable, I'm not sure if you check the issue tracker on GitHub, but there are two issues there right now.
Have no experience with Combat Realism mod before A13.
Here are some problems I've encountered with new ammo and inventory system:
- Weapon and ammo occupy most of inventory space, leaving armed colonists unable to haul effectively. Is it intended?
- Even colonists with empty inventories generally haul much less than full stacks.
- On the other hand, it seems that most (all?) minified furniture items have weight and bulk of one. So colonists can't haul 75 potatoes, but 10 statues - totally alright (well not exactly haul, you have to pick up and drop everything manually)...
- Colonists using preset load-outs, go to refill ammo after reloading even once. Like go hunting, use-up single clip (failing to secure a kill) and go to re-arm immediately. Maybe they should do so at about 50% ammo?...
Overall, ammo seems to produce micromanagement overkill:
- To make hauling effective under this new system, colonists must be able to haul more than single stacks of small volume items (carry whole inventory of different ammo-types). Which realistically is not going to happen, I think...
- I need a huge stockpile areas to store all ammo.
- Since I can't afford to constantly carry around weapons and ammo, I also need to setup huge amount of small arsenal stockpiles (few tiles per weapon + ammo), to be able to pick them up quickly.
- Maybe colonists should be able to haul full stack of any items or single object of any weight/bulk. (ie make haul slot independent of inventory space/weight, this would also allow forbidding minified furniture in inventory).
I like other aspects of mod, but I think I'll pass on it till amount of micromanagement becomes more bearable.
Or option to turn ammo off - though as far as I understand firing modes are balanced around concept of limited ammo, and this will probably make full-auto too good vs single fire (than again, unlimited ammo could be accompanied by reduced clip sizes and increased reload times).
Quote from: AllenWL on April 27, 2016, 10:48:09 PM
Damage: Slightly weird thing here. It looks like synthread does block arrows, reducing the great arrow's 12 base damage into 5, and if it's a jacket, 3, bruises and cracks only.
However, for some reason, the first target, who also had synthread clothes, had the arrows penetrate, giving cuts that dealt 8 damage, and often hit organs as well, taking him down in about 3 hits.
I think there needs to be some research into how the quality of the clothes effect it's defensive properties, because no matter how advanced synthread is, a t-shirt blocking arrows is ridiculous. Clothing probably shouldn't have a very high defense against cutting attacks.
You can just pull up the info tab for that synthread clothing and see that jackets have 8% sharp armor base and that Synthread adds 3% and a 1.65 multiplier so a normal quality Synthread jacket will put you at 18.15% sharp reduction, enough to deflect simple stone arrows (keep in mind we're dealing with sharpened stone arrow heads here) and hollow point bullets (not unreasonable either seeing as you're wearing padded clothing made from advanced materials) but not much more. Its essentially the equivalent of a very low level kevlar vest. Regular clothing doesn't have any base armor but it still benefits from the Synthread, putting it at 4.95% which could still deflect arrows about 40% of the time (again, stone arrow heads).
Quote from: talar1408 on April 28, 2016, 02:22:03 AM
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Hauling is unaffected by the inventory system, whatever you're seeing, I don't think it has to do with CR. Did you make sure your hauler doesn't have some health issue reducing manipulation?
The hunting refill thing is a known issue and being worked on.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on April 28, 2016, 02:36:20 AM
Hauling is unaffected by the inventory system, whatever you're seeing, I don't think it has to do with CR. Did you make sure your hauler doesn't have some health issue reducing manipulation?
You are probably right here. It was my first game with CR and Crash Landing, I had much more significantly injured colonists than usual.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on April 28, 2016, 02:36:20 AM
Quote from: AllenWL on April 27, 2016, 10:48:09 PM
Damage: Slightly weird thing here. It looks like synthread does block arrows, reducing the great arrow's 12 base damage into 5, and if it's a jacket, 3, bruises and cracks only.
However, for some reason, the first target, who also had synthread clothes, had the arrows penetrate, giving cuts that dealt 8 damage, and often hit organs as well, taking him down in about 3 hits.
I think there needs to be some research into how the quality of the clothes effect it's defensive properties, because no matter how advanced synthread is, a t-shirt blocking arrows is ridiculous. Clothing probably shouldn't have a very high defense against cutting attacks.
You can just pull up the info tab for that synthread clothing and see that jackets have 8% sharp armor base and that Synthread adds 3% and a 1.65 multiplier so a normal quality Synthread jacket will put you at 18.15% sharp reduction, enough to deflect simple stone arrows (keep in mind we're dealing with sharpened stone arrow heads here) and hollow point bullets (not unreasonable either seeing as you're wearing padded clothing made from advanced materials) but not much more. Its essentially the equivalent of a very low level kevlar vest. Regular clothing doesn't have any base armor but it still benefits from the Synthread, putting it at 4.95% which could still deflect arrows about 40% of the time (again, stone arrow heads).
I guess that makes sense. But still, it's kinda annoying when you decide to go with bows and arrows instead of rushing the machining table or going melee, then find out you have to rush machining table or go melee anyways because unless it's something like crazy muffalos, using bows and arrows are somehow worse then using your bare hands, because nearly every raider uses body armor(unless they're tribals).
I think something like a steel-point arrow with slightly higher armor penetration would be nice.
Next batch of fixes went up, I think that's pretty much all the major bugs squashed. Now all that needs to happen for the proper release is some balancing chances and the turret compatibility.
Quote from: AllenWL on April 28, 2016, 04:38:20 AM
I guess that makes sense. But still, it's kinda annoying when you decide to go with bows and arrows instead of rushing the machining table or going melee, then find out you have to rush machining table or go melee anyways because unless it's something like crazy muffalos, using bows and arrows are somehow worse then using your bare hands, because nearly every raider uses body armor(unless they're tribals).
I think something like a steel-point arrow with slightly higher armor penetration would be nice.
I can see the reason for including steel arrows. I'll talk to my artists and see if we can get some more arrow variants added in the near-future.
does the latest version of this mod work with the latest version of Expanded Prosthetics and Organ Engineering?
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on April 28, 2016, 05:43:53 AM
I can see the reason for including steel arrows. I'll talk to my artists and see if we can get some more arrow variants added in the near-future.
Yo Fam i got you. Doesn't have Icons, but the recipe work is already done.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/9domwycr7irmyze/CombatRealism-1.6.3%2Barrows.zip?dl=0
Arrow = 10 dmg 10% pen
Steel Arrow = 11 dmg 14% pen
Plasteel Arrow = 12 dmg 15% pen
Great Arrow = 12 dmg 15% pen
Steel Arrow = 13 dmg 16% pen
Plasteel Arrow = 14 dmg 18% pen
I kinda feel as though Great Bows need changes though, just looking at the stats.
Comparing a legendary short to a legendary great bow -
Short bow has 52% aim efficiency, 1 deg spread, 1 sway, 1s cooldown, 10 dmg, 1s warmup, 1s warmup, 27 range
The Great bow is exactly the same except it has 12 damage and 1.33s warmup.
I think that maybe the Great Bow should have superior range and maybe accuracy to the short bow, and an adjustment to the warmup based on that. At 14 paces (grids, whatever you call them), a shoddy steel vest was able to reduce everything but Plasteel great arrows to 1 damage, the latter being 2.
The damage is fine, imo though, but maybe the arrows could use more armour pen to do it justice though, and without a doubt buffs to all bow accuracy.
Even a shoddy pistol has more accuracy than these bows, ~.22 deg spread to their 1.0. Bows are probably not on your top list of things at the moment though, but they can be sort of important early game, melee rushes can really screw you over if you get the wrong kind of raid.
Bows definitely need to penetrate soft armor more, seeing as higher pound bows are more than capable of sending arrows through Kevlar. Granted that's with steel broadheads, but stone points are actually similarly effective just with less reusability. I have trouble imagining a Great bow being less than 60# (hunting weight), they would likely be warbows with draws upwards of 100#. A shirt made of futuristic not-quite-Kevlar isn't going to do much. :P Short bows on the other hand, probably a much lower weight and not so big a deal. Is this all filthy speculation? You bet!!! :D Are there bigger things to worry about? Probably.
I love new ammo mechanics! It feels good when you start with this one rifle and only few bullets so, to preserve it for dark moments, right on start you just MUST create bow and arrows to hunt. It's something that give new place for archaic weapons in this game. I never used bows, shivs and knifes but now? When I hunt and my pray is downed just switch to knife and finish it without loosing ammo. Of course it's at beginning when you have few pawns and time to micromanage everything because there is nothing to do.
Also volley of arrows to suppress someone charging at you. Now we need polybolos as an early turret ;)
Quote from: Grogfeld on April 28, 2016, 09:00:24 AM
I love new ammo mechanics! It feels good when you start with this one rifle and only few bullets so, to preserve it for dark moments, right on start you just MUST create bow and arrows to hunt. It's something that give new place for archaic weapons in this game. I never used bows, shivs and knifes but now? When I hunt and my pray is downed just switch to knife and finish it without loosing ammo. Of course it's at beginning when you have few pawns and time to micromanage everything because there is nothing to do.
Also volley of arrows to suppress someone charging at you. Now we need polybolos as an early turret ;)
i cant find any ammo at the beginning , also there's a loadout generator error when i checked on visitor gear
Armor vests are great, but I need stuff to protect my colonist's limbs before power armor
Quote from: Madpizzaboy on April 28, 2016, 09:15:18 AM
i cant find any ammo at the beginning , also there's a loadout generator error when i checked on visitor gear
If you start without EdBPrepareCarefully you have only survival rifle with full magazine in it so don't be crazy with it ;)
For the error issue make sure that you properly loaded this mod. CCL first and then vanilla tweaks and right after CR. Also every time you add a mod you MUST restart the game. I don't think that this mod is save friendly so if you have old colony you shouldn't play it with this mod. If that won't help maybe attach a output_log.txt, it's in RimWorld1135Win_Data folder, when this error occur.
For you guys who have pawn running with food like a dog after tail see if your bulk (or weight too?) stat in gear tab is sufficient remember that fine meal have 3 bulk so if pawn try to put it in backpack (vanilla mechanics) it will drop it because it doesn't fit. Just drop some ammo (you don't need 300 bullets for your revolver ;)) and it will be OK.
Quote from: Grogfeld on April 28, 2016, 10:02:58 AM
Quote from: Madpizzaboy on April 28, 2016, 09:15:18 AM
i cant find any ammo at the beginning , also there's a loadout generator error when i checked on visitor gear
If you start without EdBPrepareCarefully you have only survival rifle with full magazine in it so don't be crazy with it ;)
For the error issue make sure that you properly loaded this mod. CCL first and then vanilla tweaks and right after CR. Also every time you add a mod you MUST restart the game. I don't think that this mod is save friendly so if you have old colony you shouldn't play it with this mod. If that won't help maybe attach a output_log.txt, it's in RimWorld1135Win_Data folder, when this error occur.
For you guys who have pawn running with food like a dog after tail see if your bulk stat in gear tab is sufficient remember that fine meal have 3 bulk so if pawn try to put it in backpack (vanilla mechanics) it will drop it because it doesn't fit. Just drop some ammo (you don't need 300 bullets for your revolver ;)) and it will be OK.
well i didnt restart it after i activated the mod ,thanks for the reply dude
Quote from: dareddevil7 on April 28, 2016, 09:30:03 AM
Armor vests are great, but I need stuff to protect my colonist's limbs before power armor
Apparello for the rescue. It works for me.
Quote from: Grogfeld on April 28, 2016, 10:49:03 AM
Quote from: dareddevil7 on April 28, 2016, 09:30:03 AM
Armor vests are great, but I need stuff to protect my colonist's limbs before power armor
Apparello for the rescue. It works for me.
But I don't want all that guff, I just want to have my pawns with arm and leg protection, like Kevlar thigh and shin pads, and forearm, upper arm, and shoulder protection. The armor for the legs could decrease movement speed and the arm protection could reduce work speed.
does this work with saves and/or other mods?
Quote from: Jakub k. on April 28, 2016, 11:58:34 AM
does this work with saves and/or other mods?
Saves, yes. I've dropped 1.6.1 and 1.6.2 on the same save game. No issues.
Other mods, mostly. This is the time to find incompatible mods. I know the recycling MOD doesn't work, but I haven't tried to figure out if it's a CR problem or a CCL issue or something else. Just enjoying CR without the recycling MOD.
Still not getting the reload option and colonists wont reload their weapons even though i have the ammo in the stockpile.
Quote from: st james jack john on April 28, 2016, 12:13:38 PM
Still not getting the reload option and colonists wont reload their weapons even though i have the ammo in the stockpile.
The ammo needs to be in your pawn's inventory, not your stockpile.
Quote from: dareddevil7 on April 28, 2016, 11:54:22 AM
Quote from: Grogfeld on April 28, 2016, 10:49:03 AM
Quote from: dareddevil7 on April 28, 2016, 09:30:03 AM
Armor vests are great, but I need stuff to protect my colonist's limbs before power armor
Apparello for the rescue. It works for me.
But I don't want all that guff, I just want to have my pawns with arm and leg protection, like Kevlar thigh and shin pads, and forearm, upper arm, and shoulder protection. The armor for the legs could decrease movement speed and the arm protection could reduce work speed.
Maybe I should just resort to making everyone wear devilstrand clothing, I think that it has better sharp protection than hyperweave, but maybe not.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on April 28, 2016, 05:43:53 AM
I can see the reason for including steel arrows. I'll talk to my artists and see if we can get some more arrow variants added in the near-future.
You are now thinking about Rambo, and possibly Macgyver, and you cannot stop.
Just because you don't yet have the technology of guns, doesn't mean you can't make something go bang.
What about crafting some sort of explosive arrows (you had those plants posted a bunch of threads back), not necessarily early game (or cheap), but people do make arrow heads that go boom after all :).
Also, fire/moltov arrows? I'm guessing it'd be hard to tie something into camp-fires (but I keep picturing colonists holding off a raid with camp fires in front of 'em, pitch soaked arrows or equivalent, maybe something specifically craftable? And a heightened suppressing effect or something to that extent).
I can just picture the above + hunting + boomalopes :D, would make bows more interesting mid/late game, etc.
Quote from: Krutchen on April 28, 2016, 06:55:16 AM
I think that maybe the Great Bow should have superior range and maybe accuracy to the short bow, and an adjustment to the warmup based on that.
I think the great bow should definitely have more penetration than it does since the velocity of the arrow is significantly greater than the short bow. That way a much faster flying arrow from a great bow could actually pierce a target's synthread at the same distance as a short bow can't.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on April 28, 2016, 12:24:59 PM
Quote from: st james jack john on April 28, 2016, 12:13:38 PM
Still not getting the reload option and colonists wont reload their weapons even though i have the ammo in the stockpile.
The ammo needs to be in your pawn's inventory, not your stockpile.
Also if it's .45 it could be Colt or ACP, this are different types. I made this mistake and in Prepare Carefully select .45 Colt for Base Pistol (M1911) so no fun :P
Quote from: dareddevil7 on April 28, 2016, 09:30:03 AM
Armor vests are great, but I need stuff to protect my colonist's limbs before power armor
Uh... try getting some clothing made of heavy-duty materials?
I think leather is pretty protective and cheap, or you could go for synthread, hyperweave, or devilstrand. Don't think they'll do much against bullets, but should keep limbs from flying off, and protect against arrows.
And speaking of pre-gun weapons, I think I'll go check out what pila can do against armored targets when I get the time.
Quote from: AllenWL on April 28, 2016, 06:42:49 PM
Quote from: dareddevil7 on April 28, 2016, 09:30:03 AM
Armor vests are great, but I need stuff to protect my colonist's limbs before power armor
Uh... try getting some clothing made of heavy-duty materials?
I think leather is pretty protective and cheap, or you could go for synthread, hyperweave, or devilstrand. Don't think they'll do much against bullets, but should keep limbs from flying off, and protect against arrows.
And speaking of pre-gun weapons, I think I'll go check out what pila can do against armored targets when I get the time.
Until we get armor for arms and legs, I'll just have to make my colonists wear hyperweave jackets and pants.
Did you break fire?
Quote from: dareddevil7 on April 28, 2016, 06:56:34 PM
Quote from: AllenWL on April 28, 2016, 06:42:49 PM
Quote from: dareddevil7 on April 28, 2016, 09:30:03 AM
Armor vests are great, but I need stuff to protect my colonist's limbs before power armor
Uh... try getting some clothing made of heavy-duty materials?
I think leather is pretty protective and cheap, or you could go for synthread, hyperweave, or devilstrand. Don't think they'll do much against bullets, but should keep limbs from flying off, and protect against arrows.
And speaking of pre-gun weapons, I think I'll go check out what pila can do against armored targets when I get the time.
Until we get armor for arms and legs, I'll just have to make my colonists wear hyperweave jackets and pants.
I might actually play around with this now that I think of it. One could always make shell layer (Power Armour & Duster layer) armour for arms and legs in the form of like, arm and knee pads, and that would really do the trick for pre-power armour limb protection.
Also, I played around with bow accuracy and increased arrow armour pen a little bit, after throwing together steel + plasteel arrows, I personally think this is a more acceptable level for them. Didn't touch Pilas though because those things have like 5 range.
Arrows are bumped to .14, .16, and .18 for the respective tiers
Great Arrows are .18, .2, and .24.
Do note, a steel vest can still stop these projectiles dead in their tracks, so they're far from being OP.
I Increased bow accuracy to the following values :
Short Bow : .38 aim efficiency (from .52), .85 spread (div in half for in game values, .425)
Great Bow : .35 aim efficiency (from .52), .7 spread (.35), range 35 (27+8), warmup 1.67s (100 ticks)
Needless to say, you still can't hit shit with snapshots, aimed all the way.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/b5vbiw3jzzorrqr/CombatRealism-1.6.3%2Bbowbalance.zip?dl=0
I hope NoImage doesn't mind me trying to contribute, hopefully you will all find bows a bit more useful.
Is it possible to make an optional "patch" to remove the need to craft ammo?
I mean, what do I have to change (in the defs?) such that all weapons have infinite ammo by default (and possibly disable ammo crafting)?
I like the reload mechanic with the extra added time needed for it and such. My only issue is with the ammo crafting (and very low numbers at the start).
Thanks! :)
Quote from: crusader2010 on April 28, 2016, 07:37:13 PM
Is it possible to make an optional "patch" to remove the need to craft ammo?
I mean, what do I have to change (in the defs?) such that all weapons have infinite ammo by default (and possibly disable ammo crafting)?
Thanks! :)
You would have to go into the CR project in Visual Basic and change stuff around in Verb_ShootCR.cs, because there's internal ammo checks for most of that stuff.
protected override bool TryCastShot()
{
if (compAmmo != null)
{
if (!compAmmo.TryReduceAmmoCount())
{
if (compAmmo.hasMagazine)
compAmmo.StartReload();
return false;
}
}
return base.TryCastShot();
}Alternatively, however, you could git gud.
Quote from: Krutchen on April 28, 2016, 07:14:17 PM
Quote from: dareddevil7 on April 28, 2016, 06:56:34 PM
Quote from: AllenWL on April 28, 2016, 06:42:49 PM
Quote from: dareddevil7 on April 28, 2016, 09:30:03 AM
Armor vests are great, but I need stuff to protect my colonist's limbs before power armor
Uh... try getting some clothing made of heavy-duty materials?
I think leather is pretty protective and cheap, or you could go for synthread, hyperweave, or devilstrand. Don't think they'll do much against bullets, but should keep limbs from flying off, and protect against arrows.
And speaking of pre-gun weapons, I think I'll go check out what pila can do against armored targets when I get the time.
Until we get armor for arms and legs, I'll just have to make my colonists wear hyperweave jackets and pants.
I might actually play around with this now that I think of it. One could always make shell layer (Power Armour & Duster layer) armour for arms and legs in the form of like, arm and knee pads, and that would really do the trick for pre-power armour limb protection.
Also, I played around with bow accuracy and increased arrow armour pen a little bit, after throwing together steel + plasteel arrows, I personally think this is a more acceptable level for them. Didn't touch Pilas though because those things have like 5 range.
Arrows are bumped to .14, .16, and .18 for the respective tiers
Great Arrows are .18, .2, and .24.
Do note, a steel vest can still stop these projectiles dead in their tracks, so they're far from being OP.
I Increased bow accuracy to the following values :
Short Bow : .38 aim efficiency (from .52), .85 spread (div in half for in game values, .425)
Great Bow : .35 aim efficiency (from .52), .7 spread (.35), range 35 (27+8), warmup 1.67s (100 ticks)
Needless to say, you still can't hit shit with snapshots, aimed all the way.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/b5vbiw3jzzorrqr/CombatRealism-1.6.3%2Bbowbalance.zip?dl=0
I hope NoImage doesn't mind me trying to contribute, hopefully you will all find bows a bit more useful.
Sounds great
replaced 1.6.2 with 1.6.3 and now my log is getting spammed by tick messages.
is it time to scrap the colony?
edit: deconstructing the benches fixed the issue.
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Is there a .txt somewhere that gives an idea of which ammo for which weapon? I have an assault rifle, but I do not know what ammo particular ammo it needs. I do not know how to gun. Plz help.
Quote from: Aatxe360 on April 28, 2016, 09:06:59 PM
Is there a .txt somewhere that gives an idea of which ammo for which weapon? I have an assault rifle, but I do not know what ammo particular ammo it needs. I do not know how to gun. Plz help.
If you add the assault rifle, or any gun for that matter, to a loadout, a little icon of 3 bullets with a plus in the middle will appear, click that and it lets you add the ammo for that weapon to the loadout
Hunting with any kind of rifle seems to be a very, very good way to waste all of your ammo. Seeing how the game typically puts your colonist at max range when hunting, even with a skill 10 shooter thats firing single shots on 'aimed', they're still missing a good chunk of their shots. Probably because they typically set themselves between a mountain and several forests if they have anything other than a pistol or shotgun.
Quote from: Aatxe360 on April 28, 2016, 09:06:59 PM
Is there a .txt somewhere that gives an idea of which ammo for which weapon? I have an assault rifle, but I do not know what ammo particular ammo it needs. I do not know how to gun. Plz help.
Click on the weapon, click on the little white 'i' that appears on the upper right of the little info tab thing to get the in-depth info tab. That'll tell you want ammo it uses.
I'm pretty sure an assault rifle uses the 5.56x45mm NATO ammo though.
Quote from: Goldenpotatoes on April 28, 2016, 09:27:57 PM
Hunting with any kind of rifle seems to be a very, very good way to waste all of your ammo. Seeing how the game typically puts your colonist at max range when hunting, even with a skill 10 shooter thats firing single shots on 'aimed', they're still missing a good chunk of their shots. Probably because they typically set themselves between a mountain and several forests if they have anything other than a pistol or shotgun.
my pawns with assault rifles are closing to within 20 or 30 cells before they are firing, in burst mode, useing 3-9 shots..... well except for the nutjob with the LMG, he is standing at the front door shooting full auto at a muffalo on the other side of the map. he burned up almost all of his inventory ammo before i noticed him because i was babysitting the shotgunner that moved to the middle of the heard to begin her shooting.
Quote from: SteelRev on April 28, 2016, 09:53:56 PM
Quote from: Goldenpotatoes on April 28, 2016, 09:27:57 PM
Hunting with any kind of rifle seems to be a very, very good way to waste all of your ammo. Seeing how the game typically puts your colonist at max range when hunting, even with a skill 10 shooter thats firing single shots on 'aimed', they're still missing a good chunk of their shots. Probably because they typically set themselves between a mountain and several forests if they have anything other than a pistol or shotgun.
my pawns with assault rifles are closing to within 20 or 30 cells before they are firing, in burst mode, useing 3-9 shots..... well except for the nutjob with the LMG, he is standing at the front door shooting full auto at a muffalo on the other side of the map. he burned up almost all of his inventory ammo before i noticed him because i was babysitting the shotgunner that moved to the middle of the heard to begin her shooting.
Issue is when one of those nutjob colonists get attacked back by an animal and crosses the firing pattern of other colonists... and for the love of all mighty things, he just decide to take cover and let the animal eat him.
QuoteIssue is when one of those nutjob colonists get attacked back by an animal and crosses the firing pattern of other colonists... and for the love of all mighty things, he just decide to take cover and let the animal eat him.
Yea we need the draft command to be able to override the running for cover. "Dammit pawn, go behind the wall not the marble chunk in the clearing."
You cant shoot through embrasures unless you are three tiles away, is this intended or a glitch? Im using ED embrasures
The bills for crafting ammo does not seem to appear in my machining bench.
I have the newest combat realism.
I tried getting rid of all other weapon mods, and tried using dev mode to unlock all research, and still got no crafting bills for ammo.
Also, anyone know a gun mod compatible with combat realism that doesn't add 20-something guns? I want to be able to use all the ammo, or at least the high-caliber ones, but the only combat-realism compatible weapon mod I found, rimfire, also adds like 8 different pistols and 12 different rifles, and I'm not sure I like all that.
Quote from: st james jack john on April 28, 2016, 12:13:38 PM
Still not getting the reload option and colonists wont reload their weapons even though i have the ammo in the stockpile.
Try loading CCL immediately after CORE, even before EdB Mod Order. This worked for me
CORE
CCL
EdB Mod Order
CCL vanilla tweaks
CR Core
Quote from: Krutchen on April 28, 2016, 07:14:17 PM
I hope NoImage doesn't mind me trying to contribute, hopefully you will all find bows a bit more useful.
Not at all. Having people contribute their own work and building on top of others is the entire principle behind modding, it would be silly to feel offended by it.
Quote from: crusader2010 on April 28, 2016, 07:37:13 PM
Is it possible to make an optional "patch" to remove the need to craft ammo?
I mean, what do I have to change (in the defs?) such that all weapons have infinite ammo by default (and possibly disable ammo crafting)?
Removing the ammo set from CompAmmoUser should make a gun use infinite ammo.
Ok, so apparently, having rimfire with CR 1.6.3 makes the bills for ammo not appear at the crafting table, and you have to get rid of rimfire then restart the game for the ammo bills to appear again.
Also, some testing results. May be a bit inaccurate though.
Looks like a shotgun is nearly useless against armor because every single shotgun ammo ever has crappy armor penetration(10% or 0%). You need at least a slug to penetrate pretty much any armor, and that deals around 3, 1 damage due to having no armor penetration at all(which is ridiculous if you realize that with a unarmored target, the shotgun slug blasts off limbs, pulverises organs, and destroys heads in one hit), and the only reliable way to get through armor with a shotgun is to use EMP's electic shock, and that's just 5 damage.
I wouldn't mind too much, but it looks like a pistol is more effective against armor than a shotgun slug, which is kinda... I think it'll be better if the slug had lower damage, but higher armor penetration.
However, a shotgun, especially birdshot, damages armor like crazy. A few hits with a birdshot will lower a 100% normal armor vest to like, 20% durability.
Also, the highest armor penetration you can get with vanilla weapons seems to be the concentrated ion(charge rifle)'s 90%, followed by the 51mm NATO(sniper rifle)'s 70%.
Compared to the .50BMG(I think), which has 90% on its FMJ ammo, and 110% on its armor-piercing ammo, kinda sad values.
Most bullets have around 30% penetration with their AP verity having 40%. This isn't really enough to reliably penetrate Centipede armor, which means grenades are pretty much needed to take them down if you don't have charge rifles. Either that, or just snipe them to death.
Or get a mod that gives guns that allow you to use all stuff like the high-caliber ammo, RPG ammo, the grenade-launcher ammo, etc that'll make taking care of armor so much easier.
TL;DR: The vanilla game REALLY lacks anti-armor weapons.
Oh, also, it looks like centipedes don't spawn with inferno cannons anymore, or spawn very rarely with them.
Possibly because when I checked the inferno cannon ammo, I found they did 200 damage on hit, and made a explosion that deals 100 damage.
Quote from: AllenWL on April 29, 2016, 03:29:16 AM
Ok, so apparently, having rimfire with CR 1.6.3 makes the bills for ammo not appear at the crafting table, and you have to get rid of rimfire then restart the game for the ammo bills to appear again.
Were you restarting rimworld after activating the mods?
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on April 29, 2016, 03:01:52 AM
Quote from: Krutchen on April 28, 2016, 07:14:17 PM
I hope NoImage doesn't mind me trying to contribute, hopefully you will all find bows a bit more useful.
Not at all. Having people contribute their own work and building on top of others is the entire principle behind modding, it would be silly to feel offended by it.
Dude, you'd be surprised at the stuff some people get bent out of shape over. Some modding communities have some really toxic people, like the mount & blade community, and it's a real shame, lol.
Quote from: AllenWL on April 29, 2016, 03:29:16 AM
Ok, so apparently, having rimfire with CR 1.6.3 makes the bills for ammo not appear at the crafting table, and you have to get rid of rimfire then restart the game for the ammo bills to appear again.
Its odd to hear that because I'm playing with Rimfire enabled in my test game and I've never been able to reproduce the bill issue people have been reporting. Are you sure it was Rimfire, rather than just plain restarting the game that did it?
And yeah, the whole lack of anti-armor weapons has been a thing since I first included the new armor system and Centipedes became impervious to small arms fire. As a solution you can currently use Rimfire (it has an MCM to disable unwanted weapons, too, in case you don't want to get saddled with 5 different pistols) and I've been given some art assets in the past that I'm planning to make into a CR-specific weapon pack designed to take advantage of the new features. Among other things it will include a few different anti-tank options.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on April 29, 2016, 03:52:11 AM
Quote from: AllenWL on April 29, 2016, 03:29:16 AM
Ok, so apparently, having rimfire with CR 1.6.3 makes the bills for ammo not appear at the crafting table, and you have to get rid of rimfire then restart the game for the ammo bills to appear again.
Its odd to hear that because I'm playing with Rimfire enabled in my test game and I've never been able to reproduce the bill issue people have been reporting. Are you sure it was Rimfire, rather than just plain restarting the game that did it?
And yeah, the whole lack of anti-armor weapons has been a thing since I first included the new armor system and Centipedes became impervious to small arms fire. As a solution you can currently use Rimfire (it has an MCM to disable unwanted weapons, too, in case you don't want to get saddled with 5 different pistols) and I've been given some art assets in the past that I'm planning to make into a CR-specific weapon pack designed to take advantage of the new features. Among other things it will include a few different anti-tank options.
Could you make disposable launchers with Verb_ShootCROneUse though? I could totally see fielding some M72 LAWs against Mechanoid Centipedes. And other really nasty anti-tank weapons if that doesn't cut it. Pak 38, anyone?
Quote from: Madpizzaboy on April 28, 2016, 05:51:05 AM
does the latest version of this mod work with the latest version of Expanded Prosthetics and Organ Engineering?
That's what I would like to know also. The EPOE compatibility patch was uploaded to Dropbox 7 months ago, is it still safe to use?
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on April 29, 2016, 03:52:11 AM
Quote from: AllenWL on April 29, 2016, 03:29:16 AM
Ok, so apparently, having rimfire with CR 1.6.3 makes the bills for ammo not appear at the crafting table, and you have to get rid of rimfire then restart the game for the ammo bills to appear again.
Its odd to hear that because I'm playing with Rimfire enabled in my test game and I've never been able to reproduce the bill issue people have been reporting. Are you sure it was Rimfire, rather than just plain restarting the game that did it?
And yeah, the whole lack of anti-armor weapons has been a thing since I first included the new armor system and Centipedes became impervious to small arms fire. As a solution you can currently use Rimfire (it has an MCM to disable unwanted weapons, too, in case you don't want to get saddled with 5 different pistols) and I've been given some art assets in the past that I'm planning to make into a CR-specific weapon pack designed to take advantage of the new features. Among other things it will include a few different anti-tank options.
Huh, maybe I should try restarting the game after enabling rimfire... which for some reason, I didn't think of.. go figure. I guess I'll use MCM and disable some stuff I don't want. Though they said at the rimfire thread that it won't disable the ammo they use(ex: if I disable RPGs, the RPG ammo won't get disabled)?
Quote from: AllenWL on April 29, 2016, 05:20:18 AM
Huh, maybe I should try restarting the game after enabling rimfire... which for some reason, I didn't think of.. go figure. I guess I'll use MCM and disable some stuff I don't want. Though they said at the rimfire thread that it won't disable the ammo they use(ex: if I disable RPGs, the RPG ammo won't get disabled)?
The unused ammo won't get disabled until the next time you start the game. Basically how it works is when you start the game, all ammo types are present in the game but traders won't stock them by default nor are they enabled for crafting. Instead CR goes through a list of all weapons obtainable in the game and enables their ammo types to be stocked by traders as well as the crafting bills.
The Rimfire MCM allows you to change the availability of weapons mid-game so if you were to disable the RPG-7 you would still be able to craft the ammo for it and traders would still carry it until you restart the game. Once you do the ammo list will be updated and the ammo will be unobtainable again (you can still sell existing stock though).
Ah, Ok, thanks for clearing that up.
I don't know if that has come up yet, but while I enjoyed playing with the mod there were two things that stood out to me:
First, traders at my colony sometimes leave stuff I traded to them. Like, silver and some (?) items just drop to the ground in front of them and I can haul them away again. Might be something about the changed inventory system?
The other thing that is a minor annoyance to me is when my hunters go out to hunt with 30 arrows and they use them up, they switch to the melee weapon I gave them. If I'm not careful, they refill their ammo and now go hunting with a knife. Is there a way to make them switch back automatically?
Okay, one other thing with hunting, but I don't know to what extent this is fixable. I read that some animals can't be hit behind cover, but the hunters don't seem to take that into account (like trying to hit a squirrel behind sandbags etc.). Is that supposed to work that way?
Quote from: IgorKeefe on April 29, 2016, 08:14:48 AM
First, traders at my colony sometimes leave stuff I traded to them. Like, silver and some (?) items just drop to the ground in front of them and I can haul them away again. Might be something about the changed inventory system?
the trader thing is a hospitality mod thing if i remember right. they leave gifts if they like you. gifts are chosen from their current inventory.
Quote from: IgorKeefe on April 29, 2016, 08:14:48 AM
Okay, one other thing with hunting, but I don't know to what extent this is fixable. I read that some animals can't be hit behind cover, but the hunters don't seem to take that into account (like trying to hit a squirrel behind sandbags etc.). Is that supposed to work that way?
I doubt he messed with the code for hunting, so it's just an issue with pawns not knowing about the system, maybe try hunting squirrels when they are eating your crops, and hunt larger things for food
@SteelRev I don't play with Hospitality at the moment
@dareddevil7 My colony manager usually has a task to hunt larger things up to 1500 meat, and one to hunt smaller things up to 250 meat. It's more or less a "necessity" if animals are scarce and you still want to, well, not only live of potatoes.
Quote from: IgorKeefe on April 29, 2016, 09:02:21 AM
@SteelRev I don't play with Hospitality at the moment
@dareddevil7 My colony manager usually has a task to hunt larger things up to 1500 meat, and one to hunt smaller things up to 250 meat. It's more or less a "necessity" if animals are scarce and you still want to, well, not only live of potatoes.
Why not only live off potatoes though
Fine meal mood bonus, kibble
Did you, uh, check the balance for inferno cannons?
A centipede with a poor quality inferno cannon vaporized 5 marble walls and a colonist in a single shot. Like, full on went from existing to the immediate area of the blast being just dirt.
The trees survived, though. Only the trees. Which have less health than marble walls (420 vs 300).
I don't know how to feel about this.
Quote from: IgorKeefe on April 29, 2016, 08:14:48 AM
I don't know if that has come up yet, but while I enjoyed playing with the mod there were two things that stood out to me:
First, traders at my colony sometimes leave stuff I traded to them. Like, silver and some (?) items just drop to the ground in front of them and I can haul them away again. Might be something about the changed inventory system?
The other thing that is a minor annoyance to me is when my hunters go out to hunt with 30 arrows and they use them up, they switch to the melee weapon I gave them. If I'm not careful, they refill their ammo and now go hunting with a knife. Is there a way to make them switch back automatically?
I think with the inventory system, we should also be able to choose what colonists equip.
For example, if I set it to rifle, the bow, then knife, my colonist will use the rifle, then when they run out of rifle bullets, use the pistol, then when they run out of pistol bullets, use the knife.
Then, when they get more rifle bullets, they equip the rifle again.
Quote from: Goldenpotatoes on April 29, 2016, 09:55:55 AM
Did you, uh, check the balance for inferno cannons?
A centipede with a poor quality inferno cannon vaporized 5 marble walls and a colonist in a single shot. Like, full on went from existing to the immediate area of the blast being just dirt.
The trees survived, though. Only the trees. Which have less health than marble walls (420 vs 300).
I don't know how to feel about this.
I posted the values a bit back.
The inferno cannon ammo(which is what dictates damage) deals 200 damage on hit, then has a explosion that deals 100 damage.
The walls got obliterated because they are buildings, and buildings take extra damage from explosives.
Inferno cannons can destroy
PLASTEEL walls in a single hit, and kills centipedes in one or two hits.
Yes, they are OP and unbalanced as hell. Also super heavy and bulky, but it only takes like, 3 hits to wipe out your defenses, so...
Finally had time to put a few hours into this tonight, latest version, plus Rimfire CR. No bugs experienced, really loving it, including the ammo system! Kudos, this remains a must-have mod for me to enjoy RimWorld for more than a colony or two per version.
Quote from: AllenWL on April 29, 2016, 10:07:27 AM
Quote from: IgorKeefe on April 29, 2016, 08:14:48 AM
I don't know if that has come up yet, but while I enjoyed playing with the mod there were two things that stood out to me:
First, traders at my colony sometimes leave stuff I traded to them. Like, silver and some (?) items just drop to the ground in front of them and I can haul them away again. Might be something about the changed inventory system?
The other thing that is a minor annoyance to me is when my hunters go out to hunt with 30 arrows and they use them up, they switch to the melee weapon I gave them. If I'm not careful, they refill their ammo and now go hunting with a knife. Is there a way to make them switch back automatically?
I think with the inventory system, we should also be able to choose what colonists equip.
For example, if I set it to rifle, the bow, then knife, my colonist will use the rifle, then when they run out of rifle bullets, use the pistol, then when they run out of pistol bullets, use the knife. Then, when they get more rifle bullets, they equip the rifle again.
Quote from: Goldenpotatoes on April 29, 2016, 09:55:55 AM
Did you, uh, check the balance for inferno cannons?
A centipede with a poor quality inferno cannon vaporized 5 marble walls and a colonist in a single shot. Like, full on went from existing to the immediate area of the blast being just dirt.
The trees survived, though. Only the trees. Which have less health than marble walls (420 vs 300).
I don't know how to feel about this.
I posted the values a bit back.
The inferno cannon ammo(which is what dictates damage) deals 200 damage on hit, then has a explosion that deals 100 damage.
The walls got obliterated because they are buildings, and buildings take extra damage from explosives.
Inferno cannons can destroy PLASTEEL walls in a single hit, and kills centipedes in one or two hits.
Yes, they are OP and unbalanced as hell. Also super heavy and bulky, but it only takes like, 3 hits to wipe out your defenses, so...
Yes, very much so. It was some huge tilt-inducing shit, which came after a prolonged skirmish against two sythers (AP ammo pistols and EMP shotgun). I'm pretty sure I would of cried if I was in a permadeath run.
Quote from: dareddevil7 on April 29, 2016, 09:15:48 AM
Quote from: IgorKeefe on April 29, 2016, 09:02:21 AM
@SteelRev I don't play with Hospitality at the moment
@dareddevil7 My colony manager usually has a task to hunt larger things up to 1500 meat, and one to hunt smaller things up to 250 meat. It's more or less a "necessity" if animals are scarce and you still want to, well, not only live of potatoes.
Why not only live off potatoes though
The Irish...
Quote from: 25wes25 on April 29, 2016, 11:00:19 AM
Quote from: dareddevil7 on April 29, 2016, 09:15:48 AM
Quote from: IgorKeefe on April 29, 2016, 09:02:21 AM
@SteelRev I don't play with Hospitality at the moment
@dareddevil7 My colony manager usually has a task to hunt larger things up to 1500 meat, and one to hunt smaller things up to 250 meat. It's more or less a "necessity" if animals are scarce and you still want to, well, not only live of potatoes.
Why not only live off potatoes though
The Irish...
Plant some berries too then, get chickens.
Is it just me or is fire just completely not working?
Как подобрать боеприпасы?
i cant find the defense mod download..
Is it not uploaded for A13 yet?
Quote from: IgorKeefe on April 29, 2016, 08:14:48 AM
I don't know if that has come up yet, but while I enjoyed playing with the mod there were two things that stood out to me:
First, traders at my colony sometimes leave stuff I traded to them. Like, silver and some (?) items just drop to the ground in front of them and I can haul them away again. Might be something about the changed inventory system?
The other thing that is a minor annoyance to me is when my hunters go out to hunt with 30 arrows and they use them up, they switch to the melee weapon I gave them. If I'm not careful, they refill their ammo and now go hunting with a knife. Is there a way to make them switch back automatically?
Okay, one other thing with hunting, but I don't know to what extent this is fixable. I read that some animals can't be hit behind cover, but the hunters don't seem to take that into account (like trying to hit a squirrel behind sandbags etc.). Is that supposed to work that way?
Traders are kinda buggy at the moment. Since they store everything in their inventory but the algorithm doesn't respect the new inventory limitations they might end up going over their bulk limit and then the items are automatically dropped to the ground.
In my current dev build I disabled weapon switching for hunters entirely. You probably don't want them to switch to a grenade or rocket launcher for hunting even if they have one in their inventory, so now they'll simply cancel their hunting job. If they have a loadout defined they'll try to fill up on it so they can get ammo back that way but if not they'll hold off on hunting until the player manually gets them more.
The thing with squirrels and cover is pawns won't target things that are too low to be hit behind an obstruction (this is incidentally what's causing all those embrasures from other mods to break as well, they jack up their fill percentage to the point where with the CR system they're too high for your pawns to shoot over). The problem is they only check for cover up to three tiles away from their target so if the squirrel is blocked by a rock chunk that's four tiles out they won't recognize it. Its a pretty iffy implementation but unfortunately doing a more accurate cover check would have a significant impact on performance so I decided against it.
Quote from: dareddevil7 on April 29, 2016, 11:35:44 AM
Is it just me or is fire just completely not working?
Yes, fire was indeed broken. It's already fixed in the latest dev build though. So are thermobarics (or any weapons with secondary explosions), right now they do way more damage than they should be.
Hey i can only get this mod working on its own (With CCL) whenever i add a single other mod i launch in the game and the ammos packs etc are there but thats about it no reload buttons and nothing is changed other than ammo pack being there anyone know how to fix this?
Thanks in advance
-Brandon
Quote from: Logical on April 29, 2016, 02:35:43 PM
Hey i can only get this mod working on its own (With CCL) whenever i add a single other mod i launch in the game and the ammos packs etc are there but thats about it no reload buttons and nothing is changed other than ammo pack being there anyone know how to fix this?
Thanks in advance
-Brandon
Restart your game after opening the mod menu
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on April 29, 2016, 02:36:21 PM
Quote from: Logical on April 29, 2016, 02:35:43 PM
Hey i can only get this mod working on its own (With CCL) whenever i add a single other mod i launch in the game and the ammos packs etc are there but thats about it no reload buttons and nothing is changed other than ammo pack being there anyone know how to fix this?
Thanks in advance
-Brandon
Restart your game after opening the mod menu
Holy sh** you genius!!!! Thanks alot man!
I don't seem to have to ability to make turrets. I don't have the defense pack. Why can't I make improv turrets though?
Quote from: AllenWL on April 29, 2016, 10:07:27 AM
Quote from: Goldenpotatoes on April 29, 2016, 09:55:55 AM
Did you, uh, check the balance for inferno cannons?
A centipede with a poor quality inferno cannon vaporized 5 marble walls and a colonist in a single shot. Like, full on went from existing to the immediate area of the blast being just dirt.
The trees survived, though. Only the trees. Which have less health than marble walls (420 vs 300).
I don't know how to feel about this.
I posted the values a bit back.
The inferno cannon ammo(which is what dictates damage) deals 200 damage on hit, then has a explosion that deals 100 damage.
The walls got obliterated because they are buildings, and buildings take extra damage from explosives.
Inferno cannons can destroy PLASTEEL walls in a single hit, and kills centipedes in one or two hits.
Yes, they are OP and unbalanced as hell. Also super heavy and bulky, but it only takes like, 3 hits to wipe out your defenses, so...
It would be nice if they would drop the cannon on death, and we could craft an ultimate turret with it.
I'm getting an error that doesnt allow me to trade with either ships or caravans.
Can anyone help me out?
this is the log: i.imgur.com/w3lST8d.jpg
For some reason nothing will start on fire
Hi. Is Doomsday Rocket Launcher broken? i get this errors after my pawn finish to aim at target:
Exception ticking Steven: System.InvalidCastException: Cannot cast from source type to destination type.
at Combat_Realism.Verb_LaunchProjectileCR.TryCastShot () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
This is from Output_log (also attached ) it also pops up with triple rocket launcher. Are vanilla rocket launchers broken?
Aside from that, Centipedes with minigun and tons of ammo are tons of fun. Really feels like a bulky tank.
One of my pawns with shield just hunkered down behind a tree, later there was no tree well trees around him, and a wall, and basically everything few cells behind him :P but with 120 HP shield he could survive till poor centipede run out of bullets, then one guy with grenades just finish the job. I know that with more than just one centipede (thank God that there was no Inferno Cannon one) and 4 scythes I wouldn't write this but it was just in beginning and it was my first poison ship on this map. Still without grenades it would be end because of its armor. Scythes are also interesting semi-hard enemies. Few minutes before storyteller send a squad of 3 to my base, and I just begun working on guns, so there was only 2 Lee-Enfield and few pistols and... bows :D. Good that my sniper with 20 shooting skill was dazed only for half of the battle :P You think it's just Randy Random but I will say that there is a pattern in his madness - To wreck havoc when you think you're safe and prepared for everything ;) "We plan, Randy Random laughs"
I must admit that this mod is the best modifications to a game I've ever seen. I really appreciate your hard work.
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You might want to look back into how armor protects on mechanoids:
http://i.imgur.com/tvvGIbb.png (http://i.imgur.com/tvvGIbb.png)
(linked due to size)
There's a total of 7 people currently on that single scyther. Another scyther on the side is hopelessly trying to shoot them off but the personal shields are preventing any real progress.
They've literally broken off every single part of the mechanoid that isn't armored.
I almost feel bad. Almost.
Quote from: Cuddles on April 29, 2016, 03:32:19 PM
I don't seem to have to ability to make turrets. I don't have the defense pack. Why can't I make improv turrets though?
A quote from the first post of this thread:
"Important note: As many people have been asking about this, improvised turrets have been changed. Instead of being built they are made at the machining table and placed as minified furniture."
But if you can't make them at the machining table, then it is concerning.
Quote from: IgorKeefe on April 29, 2016, 05:03:44 PM
Quote from: Cuddles on April 29, 2016, 03:32:19 PM
I don't seem to have to ability to make turrets. I don't have the defense pack. Why can't I make improv turrets though?
A quote from the first post of this thread:
"Important note: As many people have been asking about this, improvised turrets have been changed. Instead of being built they are made at the machining table and placed as minified furniture."
But if you can't make them at the machining table, then it is concerning.
He said he's disabling turrets until he can get ammo to work with them
I've got a quick question:
Is there a way to split item stacks(mainly of ammo) into smaller quantities (for example arrows... they weigh too much to carry stacks of 100 or more, so how can I split it into chunks of 50 arrows, or any value I choose?)
Thanks :)
Quote from: crusader2010 on April 29, 2016, 05:19:38 PM
I've got a quick question:
Is there a way to split item stacks(mainly of ammo) into smaller quantities (for example arrows... they weigh too much to carry stacks of 100 or more, so how can I split it into chunks of 50 arrows, or any value I choose?)
Thanks :)
Loadouts
Quote from: crusader2010 on April 29, 2016, 05:19:38 PM
I've got a quick question:
Is there a way to split item stacks(mainly of ammo) into smaller quantities (for example arrows... they weigh too much to carry stacks of 100 or more, so how can I split it into chunks of 50 arrows, or any value I choose?)
Thanks :)
Use loadout tab to determine how much ammo pawn should take with him and he will auto-refill it. But you're right there could be some sort of slider or x10 option on picking up stuff.
Will MAI and the other robots work with this?
For some reason as of 1.6.3 I cant manually order colonists to pick up ammunition. Attempting to right-click on ammo items does not show the right-click menu.
Also is there something you need to do to get a colonist to auto-refill their loadout? I try to set it but they never do anything. It hasn't been a problem until now since I only have 5 colonists and manually equipping them hasn't been too much trouble, but now I can't do that anymore...
Quote from: harpyeagle on April 29, 2016, 06:19:12 PM
For some reason as of 1.6.3 I cant manually order colonists to pick up ammunition. Attempting to right-click on ammo items does not show the right-click menu.
Also is there something you need to do to get a colonist to auto-refill their loadout? I try to set it but they never do anything. It hasn't been a problem until now since I only have 5 colonists and manually equipping them hasn't been too much trouble, but now I can't do that anymore...
Did you restart after opening the mod menu?
MAI could be bugged, check Haplo mods topic. I have miscellaneous robots and they work fine but I think that MAI could not be compatible with new loadout system.
Quote from: Grogfeld on April 29, 2016, 05:25:34 PM
Quote from: crusader2010 on April 29, 2016, 05:19:38 PM
I've got a quick question:
Is there a way to split item stacks(mainly of ammo) into smaller quantities (for example arrows... they weigh too much to carry stacks of 100 or more, so how can I split it into chunks of 50 arrows, or any value I choose?)
Thanks :)
Use loadout tab to determine how much ammo pawn should take with him and he will auto-refill it. But you're right there could be some sort of slider or x10 option on picking up stuff.
Thanks a lot! Finally found the loadouts screen (now that I knew to look for it lol).
Unfortunately I found that bows aren't really working. The animation for being about to shoot an arrow does show up, but no arrow is actually flying towards targets. Here's part of my mod list (in this order):
Core
CCL 0.13.1.1
EdB Mod Order
More Vanilla Turrets
High Caliber
Combat realism Core
Rimfire 2.0 for CR 1.6.0
..... some more mods that don't affect weapons in any way...
EPOE
EPOE patch for CR
CCL - Vanilla Tweaks
Hospitality 1.11c
EdB Colonist Bar
Any ideas what could be causing the issues? (big THANK YOU for the mods!)
Shouldn't CR be before High Caliber? Remember that when you are two stages. First stage will consume arrow the next will shoot it. With aimed mode first stage is longer (i think)
Quote from: Grogfeld on April 29, 2016, 06:23:17 PM
MAI could be bugged, check Haplo mods topic. I have miscellaneous robots and they work fine but I think that MAI could not be compatible with new loadout system.
The core has a railgun, the colonist assign keys that I'll never use, and brainpals thing I'll never use either
Quote from: Grogfeld on April 29, 2016, 06:39:16 PM
Shouldn't CR be before High Caliber? Remember that when you are two stages. First stage will consume arrow the next will shoot it. With aimed mode first stage is longer (i think)
That's another issue: with bows there is no fire mode. It's just the "draft" button and the bow icon to the right of it. Pistols and rifles seem to work ok.
Quote from: crusader2010 on April 29, 2016, 06:42:11 PM
That's another issue: with bows there is no fire mode. It's just the "draft" button and the bow icon to the right of it. Pistols and rifles seem to work ok.
I don't think that any of this mods are affecting bows, so something could be wrong with mod order or you didn't restart game after loading mods. ;) I'm to tired to think, I'm making too many mistakes writing in English (not my first language) :P
But I can tell that when I load new mods and even restart game sometimes other mods are messing with each other and affecting the way that buttons are displayed.
Quote from: crusader2010 on April 29, 2016, 06:42:11 PM
Quote from: Grogfeld on April 29, 2016, 06:39:16 PM
Shouldn't CR be before High Caliber? Remember that when you are two stages. First stage will consume arrow the next will shoot it. With aimed mode first stage is longer (i think)
That's another issue: with bows there is no fire mode. It's just the "draft" button and the bow icon to the right of it. Pistols and rifles seem to work ok.
Maybe the issue is the fact that the CR patch for EPOE is from 7 months ago, or that the page for rimfire is saying that there is no version for CR
Quote from: Grogfeld on April 29, 2016, 06:56:40 PM
Quote from: crusader2010 on April 29, 2016, 06:42:11 PM
That's another issue: with bows there is no fire mode. It's just the "draft" button and the bow icon to the right of it. Pistols and rifles seem to work ok.
I don't think that any of this mods are affecting bows, so something could be wrong with mod order or you didn't restart game after loading mods. ;) I'm to tired to think, I'm making too many mistakes writing in English (not my first language) :P
But I can tell that when I load new mods and even restart game sometimes other mods are messing with each other and affecting the way that buttons are displayed.
I did restart after every change. After fiddling a bit with the order of some mods, I finally managed to get the corresponding buttons to appear for bows too! Unfortunately the arrows still don't fire :o
Here's the changes:
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Core
CCL
CCL Vanilla tweaks
EdB Mod Order
... many mods ...
Combat realism core
Rimfire 2.0 for CR
EPOE
EPOE patch for CR
DE Surgeries
Trade-12
EdB Colonist bar
More Vanilla turrets
High Caliber
Hospitality
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I believe the colonist bar mod could be causing some issues in general (i know it did in the past with the mods I'm playing), and probably Hospitality too.
EDIT: It seems the issue is only with a crafted Great Bow. Short bows work properly with arrows. Great bows don't seem to be able to fire the "great arrows".
I am having trouble initializing the mod on mac, can anyone help me?
Shouldnt backpack be on shoulders instead of torso in the thingdefs?
I had a prisoner, he was attempting a prison break, I set up a colonist with a shotgun outside their door with bean bag rounds and when he broke out my colonist shot him, after he was shot a second time he fell over with severe muscle spasms, how long should I expect him to be convulsing violently in bed before he can be released?
Been loving this, unfortunately ran into something of a game-ending bug today. Not sure, but I think what triggered it was a pawn starting a new bill to craft foam ammo for the incendiary launcher at the machining table - at that point everything slowed to a crawl. When I save/reload the problem persist, with many errors in the popup log. See output_log attached.
Separate feedback - my one gripe with this mod is that with the ammo plus Rimfire the machining table is becoming cumbersome to navigate - the list spans 3-4 pages now. Also, some of the Rimfire guns will craft but nothing appears when finished (I assume this is a compatibility issue that may get solved later). I personally would prefer if there was a dedicated ammo table and a dedicated gun table, at least for cleanliness.
Also, I look forward to the slimmed down list of vanilla friendly guns in a CR add-on - Rimfire is great but I feel starting to become a bit bloated. With the advent of different ammos allowing one type of gun to perform several "functions" this is even more obvious.
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Well, if it seems a bit bloated, you can go ahead and remove some guns using the mod options thing. I myself removed most guns leaving only around 10-ish.
Quote from: akiceabear on April 30, 2016, 02:25:37 AM
Been loving this, unfortunately ran into something of a game-ending bug today. Not sure, but I think what triggered it was a pawn starting a new bill to craft foam ammo for the incendiary launcher at the machining table - at that point everything slowed to a crawl. When I save/reload the problem persist, with many errors in the popup log. See output_log attached.
Have you tried to delete machining table? Most of errors can be managed that way. Just use god mode and delete and then instant build one.
Quote from: akiceabear on April 30, 2016, 02:25:37 AM
Separate feedback - my one gripe with this mod is that with the ammo plus Rimfire the machining table is becoming cumbersome to navigate - the list spans 3-4 pages now. Also, some of the Rimfire guns will craft but nothing appears when finished (I assume this is a compatibility issue that may get solved later). I personally would prefer if there was a dedicated ammo table and a dedicated gun table, at least for cleanliness.
Also, I look forward to the slimmed down list of vanilla friendly guns in a CR add-on - Rimfire is great but I feel starting to become a bit bloated. With the advent of different ammos allowing one type of gun to perform several "functions" this is even more obvious.
It would be great if there was one table for pistols, one for rifles and one for advanced weapons. It shouldn't be that hard to make, just copy paste and name changing in the XML file, right? ;)
My colonists wont pickup the ammo, its loaded in the loadout, not too big of bulk or to heavy, I'm 100% sure I selected 303 FMJ for the rifle and the ammo is on the ground, the colonists wont pick it up and reload or carry any with them. please help?(Also no error logs popping up, and mods are in order Core,CCL,CCL Vanilla tweaks, EDB Mod Order, and Combat realism, those are the only mods active and in that exact order.)
EDIT: All raiders or other humans(not colonists) have the Loadout generators, any ideas?
NVM ISSUE FIXED, I just reinstalled the game completely.
Im not sure if this was mentioned before but there is a problem with the inventory system. When visitors arrive they sometimes bring with them more than what they can carry and that ends up being dropped as they spawn in the map. This is especially a problem with tribals who have little bulk capacity coz they never spawn with backpacks.
Quote from: dareddevil7 on April 29, 2016, 11:04:49 PM
I had a prisoner, he was attempting a prison break, I set up a colonist with a shotgun outside their door with bean bag rounds and when he broke out my colonist shot him, after he was shot a second time he fell over with severe muscle spasms, how long should I expect him to be convulsing violently in bed before he can be released?
Apparently hediffs were changed between A12 and 13 and now they last forever. I'll have another batch of fixes up later today, should make beanbags work properly.
Quote from: akiceabear on April 30, 2016, 02:25:37 AM
Been loving this, unfortunately ran into something of a game-ending bug today. Not sure, but I think what triggered it was a pawn starting a new bill to craft foam ammo for the incendiary launcher at the machining table - at that point everything slowed to a crawl. When I save/reload the problem persist, with many errors in the popup log. See output_log attached.
It appears to be a CCL issue. We'll look into it.
The ammo crafting is very much a placeholder right now. Once I get the necessary art assets ammo crafting will be moved out to its own set of fueled/powered crafting benches and certain advanced ammo types will be locked behind facilities.
Quote from: Hunter00064 on April 30, 2016, 04:33:47 AM
My colonists wont pickup the ammo, its loaded in the loadout, not too big of bulk or to heavy, I'm 100% sure I selected 303 FMJ for the rifle and the ammo is on the ground, the colonists wont pick it up and reload or carry any with them. please help?(Also no error logs popping up, and mods are in order Core,CCL,CCL Vanilla tweaks, EDB Mod Order, and Combat realism, those are the only mods active and in that exact order.)
EDIT: All raiders or other humans(not colonists) have the Loadout generators, any ideas?
NVM ISSUE FIXED, I just reinstalled the game completely.
You probably forgot to restart after opening the mod menu.
It really seems changing mods should result in a forced restart as part of vanilla. Is Tynan aware of this? Could it possibly be added as a must have mod? Frustrating to see so many errors from this simple solution.
Great to hear the crafting will be balanced later - once up and running it does feel quite easy,I think research walling some higher ammo guns will help a lot.
How do i handle raids now?
Since the guns are so heavy, How do I equip a whole colony before a raid gets to my front door? Ammo is also an issue where you can only hold so much and alot of wasted.
My pawns can't wont pick up any arrows for the bow and I can't seem to find any type of ammo. Now I have to have all my paws armed with shivs and clubs.... Please help. :|
Quote from: st james jack john on April 30, 2016, 08:38:09 AM
How do i handle raids now?
Since the guns are so heavy, How do I equip a whole colony before a raid gets to my front door? Ammo is also an issue where you can only hold so much and alot of wasted.
Backpacks and tactical vests allows a pawn to easily carry a few hundred rounds.
Also, switch between melee and ranged as needed.
where is the CR Defence?
Quote from: akiceabear on April 30, 2016, 02:25:37 AMSeparate feedback - my one gripe with this mod is that with the ammo plus Rimfire the machining table is becoming cumbersome to navigate - the list spans 3-4 pages now. Also, some of the Rimfire guns will craft but nothing appears when finished (I assume this is a compatibility issue that may get solved later). I personally would prefer if there was a dedicated ammo table and a dedicated gun table, at least for cleanliness.
Also, I look forward to the slimmed down list of vanilla friendly guns in a CR add-on - Rimfire is great but I feel starting to become a bit bloated. With the advent of different ammos allowing one type of gun to perform several "functions" this is even more obvious.
You can disable crafting for all Rimfire guns and choose which guns you want available in Rimfire, even for entire categories with categorization
turned on. All these options are accessible via the CCL Community Core Library MCM Mod Configuration Menu.
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Quote from: dareddevil7 on April 29, 2016, 11:04:49 PM
I had a prisoner, he was attempting a prison break, I set up a colonist with a shotgun outside their door with bean bag rounds and when he broke out my colonist shot him, after he was shot a second time he fell over with severe muscle spasms, how long should I expect him to be convulsing violently in bed before he can be released?
Apparently hediffs were changed between A12 and 13 and now they last forever. I'll have another batch of fixes up later today, should make beanbags work properly.
I ended up recruiting him so now he's in a medical bed I have.
Is there any small tutorial on how to add a weapon from another mod to use Combat Realism's features?
Quote from: Alistaire on April 30, 2016, 10:26:35 AM
You can disable crafting for all Rimfire guns and choose which guns you want available in Rimfire, even for entire categories with categorization
turned on. All these options are accessible via the CCL Community Core Library MCM Mod Configuration Menu.
Thank you for clarifying that, I'll give that a try!
Quote from: JackeryFox on April 30, 2016, 11:20:36 AM
Is there any small tutorial on how to add a weapon from another mod to use Combat Realism's features?
Best bet is by looking through the CR patch for Rimfire. It looks like a bulk of the work is done via .xml in the defs but I could be wrong on that.
How do i produce ammo for fire weapons?
You probably forgot to restart after opening the mod menu.
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No, I forgot I had an edited core so I just undid what I added(Made resources stack 100, 75 makes me cry, also idk why this would cause a problem)
Quote from: dareddevil7 on April 29, 2016, 06:22:13 PM
Quote from: harpyeagle on April 29, 2016, 06:19:12 PM
For some reason as of 1.6.3 I cant manually order colonists to pick up ammunition. Attempting to right-click on ammo items does not show the right-click menu.
Also is there something you need to do to get a colonist to auto-refill their loadout? I try to set it but they never do anything. It hasn't been a problem until now since I only have 5 colonists and manually equipping them hasn't been too much trouble, but now I can't do that anymore...
Did you restart after opening the mod menu?
God damnit I'm sorry.
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You probably forgot to restart after opening the mod menu.
No, I forgot I had an edited core so I just undid what I added(Made resources stack 100, 75 makes me cry, also idk why this would cause a problem) I also restarted multiple times, made new maps, and new colonies, so that wasn't the problem, changing the resource stacks shouldn't have conflicted with CR because why would CR touch steel, wood, and other 'stuff' defs? Not sure if it does(Haven't checked yet)
When installing today i could not even start with the mod enabled. As soon as i loaded it and closed the mod menu I got the "Recovered from incompatible or corrupted mods errors" Tried with and without the community core library nothing else installed. debug showed alot of xml errors and couldn't load anything.. (Unsure how to post it here, tell me and I can reproduce it to post.)
how do you install this I got the mod I put it in the correct ccl load order without any other mods but the core it tells me it recovered from a incompatibility with mods I have tried without the core as well same result I have downloaded this three times never worked I have A13
So aside from fixing all the bugs that people have been reporting I've been working on finally getting turrets back up and running. While it took longer than anticipated thanks to obscure bugs, turrets fully support aim and fire modes and I am also putting the finishing touches on the turret ammo system.
(http://i.imgur.com/JJBVqrs.png)
Auto-turrets are limited in their tactical flexibility as they can only use aimed shot and full-auto fire and they rely on colonists to reload them. On the other hand they offer higher base accuracy and can hold several hundred rounds to last them through firefights. Between battles pawns with the hauling job enabled will automatically fill up any turrets in need of reloading.
Manned turrets like the ones in the CR Defence Pack work much more like regular weapons in that they can switch between all available fire and aim modes and if they run dry the pawn manning them will either draw from his personal inventory or fetch ammo from the nearest stockpile to reload automatically.
Quote from: Flare Flicker on April 30, 2016, 03:36:22 PM
When installing today i could not even start with the mod enabled. As soon as i loaded it and closed the mod menu I got the "Recovered from incompatible or corrupted mods errors" Tried with and without the community core library nothing else installed. debug showed alot of xml errors and couldn't load anything.. (Unsure how to post it here, tell me and I can reproduce it to post.)
Did you make sure to load CCL before CR?
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on April 30, 2016, 04:18:12 PM
Manned turrets like the ones in the CR Defense Pack work much more like regular weapons in that they can switch between all available fire and aim modes and if they run dry the pawn manning them will either draw from his personal inventory or fetch ammo from the nearest stockpile to reload automatically.
Will you be able to have another colonist reload the turret while one is using it?
Is there a version of this without the ammo system? I love all the other systems, but the ammo seems like 1 thing too much for me to keep track of in game.
Quote from: exelsiar on April 30, 2016, 04:49:41 PM
Is there a version of this without the ammo system? I love all the other systems, but the ammo seems like 1 thing too much for me to keep track of in game.
I honestly didn't like the idea of the system at first, but it honestly isn't hard to keep a decent stockpile of ammo without much micromanaging. Figure out the main guns you want to support then make the ammo for it at a bench with the 'make until' set at 500. They'll usually make around 1000 after colonists grab what they need to restock which means you're spending about 50-70 steel initially with an extra 30ish each restock.
I actually quite like it because now I have a reason to build a decent-sized armory to horde my ammo and excess guns. Its pretty neat watching colonists run in to restock or switch loadouts on the equipment racks.
Really? With new loadout system there shouldn't be any problem. You get tons of ammo from 1 job - 500 for most of guns except shotguns and RPG (batch of 5 grenades need 500 work-ticks!! too many man, to many :P) , and auto-refill just rocks.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on April 30, 2016, 04:18:12 PM
Did you make sure to load CCL before CR?
Yes, just redownloaded CR and CCL and still got the errors. Tried loading CCL and that works just fine on its own but once I load CR it disables the mods and spews errors. :/
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on April 30, 2016, 04:18:12 PM
While it took longer than anticipated thanks to obscure bugs, turrets fully support aim and fire modes and I am also putting the finishing touches on the turret ammo system.
OMG HYPE!
the mod itself works for me, but everyone besides my colonists has this loadout generator stuff and they can't shoot at all. my mod load order is correct, why isn't it working for me? I love the idea but sadly I can't enjoy it.
might be helpful to add, that when selecting drafted pawn, I don't have the option to select kind of ammo and the reload icon.
Quote from: Galvenox on April 30, 2016, 05:50:23 PM
the mod itself works for me, but everyone besides my colonists has this loadout generator stuff and they can't shoot at all. my mod load order is correct, why isn't it working for me? I love the idea but sadly I can't enjoy it.
might be helpful to add, that when selecting drafted pawn, I don't have the option to select kind of ammo and the reload icon.
Did you restart Rimworld after activating the mods?
Quote from: Frug on April 30, 2016, 06:07:53 PM
Quote from: Galvenox on April 30, 2016, 05:50:23 PM
the mod itself works for me, but everyone besides my colonists has this loadout generator stuff and they can't shoot at all. my mod load order is correct, why isn't it working for me? I love the idea but sadly I can't enjoy it.
might be helpful to add, that when selecting drafted pawn, I don't have the option to select kind of ammo and the reload icon.
Did you restart Rimworld after activating the mods?
yes, just now to doublecheck. created new world and new colony. same problem. starting weapons have ammo, but when it's gone I can't do anything.
Quote from: Galvenox on April 30, 2016, 06:22:27 PM
Quote from: Frug on April 30, 2016, 06:07:53 PM
Quote from: Galvenox on April 30, 2016, 05:50:23 PM
the mod itself works for me, but everyone besides my colonists has this loadout generator stuff and they can't shoot at all. my mod load order is correct, why isn't it working for me? I love the idea but sadly I can't enjoy it.
might be helpful to add, that when selecting drafted pawn, I don't have the option to select kind of ammo and the reload icon.
Did you restart Rimworld after activating the mods?
yes, just now to doublecheck. created new world and new colony. same problem. starting weapons have ammo, but when it's gone I can't do anything.
Wew strange
Quote from: Galvenox on April 30, 2016, 05:50:23 PM
the mod itself works for me, but everyone besides my colonists has this loadout generator stuff and they can't shoot at all. my mod load order is correct, why isn't it working for me? I love the idea but sadly I can't enjoy it.
might be helpful to add, that when selecting drafted pawn, I don't have the option to select kind of ammo and the reload icon.
Are you sure there was no errors from CCL? And I mean something not loaded properly like Vanilla Tweaks Hoppers or other stuff? So no notification in log. I had that problem once but it was in previous version.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on April 30, 2016, 04:18:12 PM
Manned turrets like the ones in the CR Defence Pack work much more like regular weapons
Will I need to do anything special to manned turrets to get them to work? Or is CompProperties_Mannable enough to handle it? I'm patching my upcoming mod for CR, and I'll model the manned turrets after AI turrets once you've updated, so if there are any instructions farther than modeling after the AI turret and adding CompProperties_Mannable and an interaction spot I'd be glad to have them when you get around to it.
p.s. you asked me to remind you: if you have the worksheet for weapon properties I'd love to see it. Sorry to keep bugging you, I'm happy to wait til whenever you can get to it.
Quote from: Goldenpotatoes on April 30, 2016, 12:02:27 PM
Quote from: JackeryFox on April 30, 2016, 11:20:36 AM
Is there any small tutorial on how to add a weapon from another mod to use Combat Realism's features?
Best bet is by looking through the CR patch for Rimfire. It looks like a bulk of the work is done via .xml in the defs but I could be wrong on that.
Ayup! I've learned how it's done and have already made 2 weapons for my future weapon pack which will include custom ammo with proper stats.
Perhaps a bit of a fix for the ridiculous dance the colonists do when they have too much bulk but wont stop taking the fiod they want to carry? Till then looks like im gonna have to drop a few items...
Also, any plans to incorperate a camoflodge system. Which could make use of surpressors, and maybe an alert system?
Can someone explain why CR and the recycle mod don't work together? (https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=18799.0)
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Quote from: Galvenox on April 30, 2016, 05:50:23 PM
the mod itself works for me, but everyone besides my colonists has this loadout generator stuff and they can't shoot at all. my mod load order is correct, why isn't it working for me? I love the idea but sadly I can't enjoy it.
might be helpful to add, that when selecting drafted pawn, I don't have the option to select kind of ammo and the reload icon.
I know that this happens if you're running Expanded Prosthetics and Organ Engineering. The two require a patch to work together.
Quote from: SteelRev on April 30, 2016, 11:31:32 PM
Can someone explain why CR and the recycle mod don't work together?
Did you restart the game after you closed the mod activation menu? Failure to do so will lead to errors with CR.
I'm liking the assignment system, just one thing is bothering me though: When I switch colonists' assignments around, they will pick up the new equipment but never drop what they were previously carrying. This is a problem when there is only one of a particular kind of weapon and they continue to hog it so that the colonist that is now assigned the weapon can never get it.
Instead I have to periodically draft a bunch of colonists, march them to the armoury and manually drop every weapon and ammo item they have, before they will properly switch to their new assigned loadouts.
Yep. At this point, I'm having pawns manually change their loadout, and just having them refill ammo on their own.
Also, it would be nice if I could choose what pawns equip. Currently, if you change a pawn's loadout or if they drop their weapons due to falling unconscious, as far as I can tell, there's no way to have them equip something.
I can tell them to have a loadout of 'bow' 'knife' 'arrows', but I can't tell my brawler to equip the knife or tell my archer to equip the bow. Instead, I have to equip it manually. Not too big of a problem during battles, as I switch between weapons a lot anyways.
Kind of a big problem if my brawler gets attacked by a crazy rabbit and he's swinging his fists at it and ignoring the sword in his pockets.
Also, it looks like raiders don't switch to melee weapons when you melee them and they still have ammo for their gun?
Quote from: AllenWL on May 01, 2016, 06:36:26 AM
Also, it looks like raiders don't switch to melee weapons when you melee them and they still have ammo for their gun?
Yes it something that I've noticed it too. It's somehow OP for player to be able to wear tons of weapons and poor tribes people just hitting you with bows, there should be also timer for changing weapons so brawlers could surprise rangers. I like when all game mechanics affect both player and AI.
Found another tiny issue, some "guests" who trade decided to drop by. The Trader has too muh bulk and drops some of his items, perhaps an item that diable bulk for the traders? So that way we don't get free stuff?
Flashbangs have the EMP grenade's description.
My pawns aren't picking up loadouts or ammunition, they don't have weight or bulk, but can still shoot, they seem to be defaulting to FMJ shots. Any suggestions for what I'm doing wrong?
My mod list is:
Core
Community Core Library
Community Core vanilla tweaks
Combat Realism
Expanded prosthetics and organ engineering
Combat Realism EPOE patch
EdB Colonist bar
EdB prepare carefully
Glitter Tech
Tilled soil
map reroll
EdB mod order
Edit: It seems Glitter Tech doesn't want to play nice with Combat Realism for now.
Is there currently an up to date version of CR Defence, because the latest I've come across is (I believe) for CR version 1.5.0 and as such isn't working with CR 1.6.3.
When loaded it has the barbed wire/embrasures etc. but it disables the inventory and reload/fire mode systems.
One question. Have you change with visitors incident that you can't buy from them anymore, or is it only problem on my side?
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Quote from: SteelRev on April 30, 2016, 11:31:32 PM
Can someone explain why CR and the recycle mod don't work together?
Did you restart the game after you closed the mod activation menu? Failure to do so will lead to errors with CR.
don't even have the option to restart, the fatal error occurs when you close the mod page not when you start a game.
Quote from: Grogfeld on May 01, 2016, 09:42:28 AM
One question. Have you change with visitors incident that you can't buy from them anymore, or is it only problem on my side?
I'm having the same issue.
This is the error I get at the console: http://i.imgur.com/w3lST8d.jpg
Cant trade with trade ships either.
I cant find the defence part of the mod, I assume it's not ready yet.
Quote from: Paralytic on May 01, 2016, 10:38:39 AM
I cant find the defence part of the mod, I assume it's not ready yet.
As far as I have understood he's working on it right now. He mentioned it a few pages back.
Quote from: carpediembr on May 01, 2016, 10:29:50 AM
I'm having the same issue.
This is the error I get at the console: http://i.imgur.com/w3lST8d.jpg
Cant trade with trade ships either.
It's not what I meant. I don't have errors just there is no option to occasionally buy from visitors.
Your problem is known. Just use dev tools, god mod and delete machining table and rebuild it.
Edit: Sorry I didn't see that other error. It's related to Trade Caravan Incident not Visitors, am I right? This is a Caravan.
Would it be a lot of extra work to move the ammo recipes to another workbench? I'd like to make a request for this because I've got a lot of mods that add new crafting recipes to the machining table and a 1280x720 screen. Some of the recipes simply get 'pushed out' of the menu.
Edit: I also have a little bug where colonists forget to drop other things in their inventories, like rice or potatoes, and therefore get stuck endlessly trying to pick up a meal, then fail and put it behind them, then try to pick it up again and fail.
Quote from: admiralKew on May 01, 2016, 10:45:54 AM
Would it be a lot of extra work to move the ammo recipes to another workbench? I'd like to make a request for this because I've got a lot of mods that add new crafting recipes to the machining table and a 1280x720 screen. Some of the recipes simply get 'pushed out' of the menu.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on April 30, 2016, 05:28:45 AM
The ammo crafting is very much a placeholder right now. Once I get the necessary art assets ammo crafting will be moved out to its own set of fueled/powered crafting benches and certain advanced ammo types will be locked behind facilities.
Quote from: Goldenpotatoes on May 01, 2016, 10:49:30 AM
Quote from: admiralKew on May 01, 2016, 10:45:54 AM
Would it be a lot of extra work to move the ammo recipes to another workbench? I'd like to make a request for this because I've got a lot of mods that add new crafting recipes to the machining table and a 1280x720 screen. Some of the recipes simply get 'pushed out' of the menu.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on April 30, 2016, 05:28:45 AM
The ammo crafting is very much a placeholder right now. Once I get the necessary art assets ammo crafting will be moved out to its own set of fueled/powered crafting benches and certain advanced ammo types will be locked behind facilities.
Ah, thanks. Many apologies for that. Also I posted a little bug report in the edit of my original post. Is a system to pick up smaller amounts of ammunition than the basic 500 stack in the works?
Currently no idea how to fix the issue i am having, mentioned in another post. But I must say, I LOVE the idea of ammo and inventory. Not only that tense feeling when you are low on ammo and a tribal raid is inbound but this will give a use to melee weapons, as i do find them a bit useless in the current game. The weight of items is also going to be a game changer, may not want to have my guys hauling that LMG around and give them a pistol to carry but when a raid comes gotta run for the armory and load up! Love it, can't wait till a more stable version.. or till I realize my issue and hit myself for it. :p
Quote from: Grogfeld on April 30, 2016, 07:01:03 PM
Quote from: Galvenox on April 30, 2016, 05:50:23 PM
the mod itself works for me, but everyone besides my colonists has this loadout generator stuff and they can't shoot at all. my mod load order is correct, why isn't it working for me? I love the idea but sadly I can't enjoy it.
might be helpful to add, that when selecting drafted pawn, I don't have the option to select kind of ammo and the reload icon.
Are you sure there was no errors from CCL? And I mean something not loaded properly like Vanilla Tweaks Hoppers or other stuff? So no notification in log. I had that problem once but it was in previous version.
there was no errors at all... I redownloaded the game, installed only essential mods, still the same problem...
The moment you close your mod menu is the moment the game incorrectly reloads certain parts of itself and the activated mods. Restart your game after closing the mod menu.
Quote from: Krutchen on April 28, 2016, 07:14:17 PM
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Quote from: dareddevil7 on April 28, 2016, 09:30:03 AM
Armor vests are great, but I need stuff to protect my colonist's limbs before power armor
Uh... try getting some clothing made of heavy-duty materials?
I think leather is pretty protective and cheap, or you could go for synthread, hyperweave, or devilstrand. Don't think they'll do much against bullets, but should keep limbs from flying off, and protect against arrows.
And speaking of pre-gun weapons, I think I'll go check out what pila can do against armored targets when I get the time.
Until we get armor for arms and legs, I'll just have to make my colonists wear hyperweave jackets and pants.
I might actually play around with this now that I think of it. One could always make shell layer (Power Armour & Duster layer) armour for arms and legs in the form of like, arm and knee pads, and that would really do the trick for pre-power armour limb protection.
Any progress?
Quote from: Alistaire on May 01, 2016, 12:22:46 PM
The moment you close your mod menu is the moment the game incorrectly reloads certain parts of itself and the activated mods. Restart your game after closing the mod menu.
but I did restart it, every time. it's said in big red letters at the very beginning of first post, so I'm always doing it.
Anyone who is having issues with the mod not loading, please follow the standard procedure (https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=18272.0) on error reporting. In particular I need you to append your output_log.txt or else I won't be able to tell what's going on. Also note that I need the actual .txt file, simply making a screenshot of the error log is usually not enough.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on May 01, 2016, 12:47:29 PM
Anyone who is having issues with the mod not loading, please follow the standard procedure (https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=18272.0) on error reporting. In particular I need you to append your output_log.txt or else I won't be able to tell what's going on. Also note that I need the actual .txt file, simply making a screenshot of the error log is usually not enough.
here's my output_log.txt file. what happens is, I don't have reload and choose ammo options, and everyone besides my colonists has loadout generator stuff in their inventory.
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Quote from: Galvenox on May 01, 2016, 12:58:33 PM
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on May 01, 2016, 12:47:29 PM
Anyone who is having issues with the mod not loading, please follow the standard procedure (https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=18272.0) on error reporting. In particular I need you to append your output_log.txt or else I won't be able to tell what's going on. Also note that I need the actual .txt file, simply making a screenshot of the error log is usually not enough.
here's my output_log.txt file. what happens is, I don't have reload and choose ammo options, and everyone besides my colonists has loadout generator stuff in their inventory.
Your load order is wrong, CCL needs to be loaded immediately after Core.
Quote from: Galvenox on May 01, 2016, 12:58:33 PM
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on May 01, 2016, 12:47:29 PM
Anyone who is having issues with the mod not loading, please follow the standard procedure (https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=18272.0) on error reporting. In particular I need you to append your output_log.txt or else I won't be able to tell what's going on. Also note that I need the actual .txt file, simply making a screenshot of the error log is usually not enough.
here's my output_log.txt file. what happens is, I don't have reload and choose ammo options, and everyone besides my colonists has loadout generator stuff in their inventory.
As it states in your error log, you dont have ccl 2nd in order, you have it 3rd. Perhaps you loaded ccl vanilla tweaks first on accident?
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on May 01, 2016, 01:10:13 PM
Quote from: Galvenox on May 01, 2016, 12:58:33 PM
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on May 01, 2016, 12:47:29 PM
Anyone who is having issues with the mod not loading, please follow the standard procedure (https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=18272.0) on error reporting. In particular I need you to append your output_log.txt or else I won't be able to tell what's going on. Also note that I need the actual .txt file, simply making a screenshot of the error log is usually not enough.
here's my output_log.txt file. what happens is, I don't have reload and choose ammo options, and everyone besides my colonists has loadout generator stuff in their inventory.
Your load order is wrong, CCL needs to be loaded immediately after Core.
everything seems to work fine now, thank you so much! and all of you guys for quick replies. such little detail, could be solved easily if I was paying enough attention, sorry about that.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on May 01, 2016, 12:47:29 PM
Anyone who is having issues with the mod not loading, please follow the standard procedure (https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=18272.0) on error reporting. In particular I need you to append your output_log.txt or else I won't be able to tell what's going on. Also note that I need the actual .txt file, simply making a screenshot of the error log is usually not enough.
I'm not having issue with LOADING, but during the gameplay. I understand that this may not be caused by YOUR mod, but any chance you or someone else can help me out?
Issue: Vendors are not opening their interface. I send a colonist to trade either at a caravan or the comms table, they stand still for a brief moment and return to work. The trading interface does not open.
Mod Load:
1) Core
2) CCL
3) CR Core
4) RimFire 2.0
5) CCL Vanilla Tweaks
6) CPHaulage
7) Craftable Medicines
8) EPOE
9) HaulPriorityLite
10) Hospitality 1.11a
11) Industrialisation
12) Less Incident Trolling
13) M&CO Mining Helmets
14) Mad Skills - Tiered
15) Medical Training
16) Modular Tables
17) More Faction Spawns
18) More trade Ships
19) Recycle
20) RT Fusebox
21) RT Storage
Attached is the outputlog
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Quote from: carpediembr on May 01, 2016, 02:39:09 PM
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on May 01, 2016, 12:47:29 PM
Anyone who is having issues with the mod not loading, please follow the standard procedure (https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=18272.0) on error reporting. In particular I need you to append your output_log.txt or else I won't be able to tell what's going on. Also note that I need the actual .txt file, simply making a screenshot of the error log is usually not enough.
I'm not having issue with LOADING, but during the gameplay. I understand that this may not be caused by YOUR mod, but any chance you or someone else can help me out?
Issue: Vendors are not opening their interface. I send a colonist to trade either at a caravan or the comms table, they stand still for a brief moment and return to work. The trading interface does not open.
Mod Load:
1) Core
2) CCL
3) CR Core
4) RimFire 2.0
5) CCL Vanilla Tweaks
6) CPHaulage
7) Craftable Medicines
8) EPOE
9) HaulPriorityLite
10) Hospitality 1.11a
11) Industrialisation
12) Less Incident Trolling
13) M&CO Mining Helmets
14) Mad Skills - Tiered
15) Medical Training
16) Modular Tables
17) More Faction Spawns
18) More trade Ships
19) Recycle
20) RT Fusebox
21) RT Storage
Attached is the outputlog
First thing firsts your lacking the EPOE/CR compatibility patch, same for Rimfire.
Beyond that, as the post states: "Mods that modify vanilla weapons, walls, bodies or body parts (human and mechanoid, animals are fine), rock walls or rock chunks are inherently incompatible, meaning whichever mod is last in your load order will overwrite the changes of the other. Mods that add new guns, body parts, etc. are not incompatible but will likely be unbalanced in the context of this mod."
I love the new ammo system but i have a request, could you please add a way to pick up a specific amount of ammo from a stack (ex: a slider) because its quite hard picking 100 bullets for my sniper from a 500 stack
If there is already a way, sorry :P
I would suggest to move game into friendlier location especially "\RimWorld Alpha-13- Win-Mac-Lin-Games4U\" could be dangerous, but I would also suggest updating some mods Hospitality for instance it could mess with your game.
How do you craft ammo? Thanks in advance.
Edit: You can craft ammo from the machining table.
How can I force my colonists to equip ammo? I tried making loadout in Assign tab but they won't equip on thier own. Also When I click on arrow for example nothing happening. Thank you for any help.
Quote from: WereCat88 on May 01, 2016, 02:54:04 PM
I love the new ammo system but i have a request, could you please add a way to pick up a specific amount of ammo from a stack (ex: a slider) because its quite hard picking 100 bullets for my sniper from a 500 stack
If there is already a way, sorry :P
Loadouts! Set the amount of sniper ammo to be 100, your sniper with go take 100 rounds
Quote from: eragon333 on May 01, 2016, 03:26:04 PM
How can I force my colonists to equip ammo? I tried making loadout in Assign tab but they won't equip on thier own. Also When I click on arrow for example nothing happening. Thank you for any help.
Did you restart after opening the mod menu?
Quote from: eragon333 on May 01, 2016, 03:26:04 PM
How can I force my colonists to equip ammo? I tried making loadout in Assign tab but they won't equip on thier own. Also When I click on arrow for example nothing happening. Thank you for any help.
1) Check load order: ccl should say 2, ccl vanilla should say 3, cr should say 4 or more.
2) Make sure to restart the game after opening the mod menu, or bad things will happen.
3) Start new world and new colony.
4) Find error log and post it as attachment. Instructions are in this thread. Read through it first for errors like "ccl must be loaded 2nd right after core" and etc.
So just a heads up, turret ammo is fully functional (though somewhat lacking polish) but sieges are not. Unfortunately there is some very messy code in there so my options are kinda limited between ripping it all out and replacing it (more work than I am willing to commit at this point) or resorting to some hacky workarounds.
The next version also adds new functionality to the loadout manager where pawns will no longer automatically take meals and also drop items if they have more than specified in their loadout. Items that are not actually part of the loadout will not be dropped however, as there are issues both with vanilla jobs and the fact that for this to work properly with player-controlled pickups you'd need some way of disallowing automatic dropping of player-forced items, akin to the outfit manager's forced wear. And that one is just not feasible to implement for me due to technical reasons.
I am also working on tightening up some balance issues, raiders carry much less ammo now and ammo itself as well as ammo crafting are more expensive now. Once I am done balancing I will release the next version as a full release along with CR Defence and my stat sheets I use for balancing so anyone interested in making a compatibility patch can see how the values are calculated.
Quote from: carpediembr on May 01, 2016, 02:39:09 PM
Attached is the outputlog
Some mod adding a research called CMedicine has an improperly set up XML file, from the name I'm guessing it's Craftable Medicine.
I just want to say that I love this mod to death, and could never go back.
I giggle a little every time one of my armored knights pulls out a pocket pistol and goes to town, and my love for the shotgun is nigh spiritual.
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Did you restart after opening the mod menu?
That worked, thanks ;)
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on May 01, 2016, 05:12:17 PM
So just a heads up, turret ammo is fully functional (though somewhat lacking polish) but sieges are not. Unfortunately there is some very messy code in there so my options are kinda limited between ripping it all out and replacing it (more work than I am willing to commit at this point) or resorting to some hacky workarounds.
The next version also adds new functionality to the loadout manager where pawns will no longer automatically take meals and also drop items if they have more than specified in their loadout. Items that are not actually part of the loadout will not be dropped however, as there are issues both with vanilla jobs and the fact that for this to work properly with player-controlled pickups you'd need some way of disallowing automatic dropping of player-forced items, akin to the outfit manager's forced wear. And that one is just not feasible to implement for me due to technical reasons.
I am also working on tightening up some balance issues, raiders carry much less ammo now and ammo itself as well as ammo crafting are more expensive now. Once I am done balancing I will release the next version as a full release along with CR Defence and my stat sheets I use for balancing so anyone interested in making a compatibility patch can see how the values are calculated.
Quote from: carpediembr on May 01, 2016, 02:39:09 PM
Attached is the outputlog
Some mod adding a research called CMedicine has an improperly set up XML file, from the name I'm guessing it's Craftable Medicine.
Could it be possible to do something like give a pawn a loadout order with the quantity of 0 to make them drop that item?
I can't seem to kill mechanoids, even with AP rounds :/
My pawn will hit them, but they will take minimal damage, and after a point, stop taking damage.
Even using the "kill" tool in dev mode results in the mechanoid(s) losing parts (up to a point) but they won't die.
The only thing that seems to kill them is explosives.
Mods:
Core
Community Core Library
Community Core Library - Vanilla Tweaks
EdBModOrder
CombatRealism-1.6.3
ExpandedProsthetics&OrganEngineering
CombatRealism EPOE
AllowTool
EdBColonistBar
Embrasures-Embrasures1.3
Hospitality
LessIncidentTrolling
Mad Skills
Miscellaneous_Core
Miscellaneous_MAI
Miscellaneous_Robots
MoreHair
MoreSunLamps
PackMuffalo
Pawn State Icons
Quorn
Rimsenal_hair
Smart Bears
VeinMiner
Vegetable Garden v3.6a
EdBPrepareCarefully
GlitterTech
So how come this thing shows Combat Realism Defence, but no link to it??
Does this mod even WORK with Alpha 13? Because I have been screwing around with it for about 2 hours and when they run out of ammo they wont grab more or anything even though I spawned in about 500 (Nato rounds for the assault rifle) nothing works, why?
Either set a loadout or manually make them pick up more.
Also, have you restarted the game after leaving the mod menu?
Quote from: Diana Winters on May 01, 2016, 11:43:59 PM
Either set a loadout or manually make them pick up more.
Also, have you restarted the game after leaving the mod menu?
I did set a loadout and it wouldn't let me pick up ammo, and yes I did restart it.
Wow, just tried out this mod for the first time ever, and already can't see myself playing Rimworld without it anymore.
I'd just like an additional option for the loadouts, something like a priority list.
If you can get it, grab a great bow.
If none are available, get a short bow instead.
That kind of thing.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on May 01, 2016, 05:12:17 PM
So just a heads up, turret ammo is fully functional (though somewhat lacking polish) but sieges are not. Unfortunately there is some very messy code in there so my options are kinda limited between ripping it all out and replacing it (more work than I am willing to commit at this point) or resorting to some hacky workarounds.
The next version also adds new functionality to the loadout manager where pawns will no longer automatically take meals and also drop items if they have more than specified in their loadout. Items that are not actually part of the loadout will not be dropped however, as there are issues both with vanilla jobs and the fact that for this to work properly with player-controlled pickups you'd need some way of disallowing automatic dropping of player-forced items, akin to the outfit manager's forced wear. And that one is just not feasible to implement for me due to technical reasons.
I am also working on tightening up some balance issues, raiders carry much less ammo now and ammo itself as well as ammo crafting are more expensive now. Once I am done balancing I will release the next version as a full release along with CR Defence and my stat sheets I use for balancing so anyone interested in making a compatibility patch can see how the values are calculated.
Is this update in the github dev branch yet? I'd be willing to see if I can help out, man.
Also, good call on making ammo more expensive, you can make a bit too much for the price as it stands. Did you up the cost for a stack, or just reduce created stacks down from 500x to something way smaller? I think you could honestly get away with 25x or 50x stacks for each job cycle.
Quote from: Aarkreinsil on May 02, 2016, 12:32:34 AM
I'd just like an additional option for the loadouts, something like a priority list.
If you can get it, grab a great bow.
If none are available, get a short bow instead.
This would be awesome, by the way. Preferences for loadouts, perhaps a filter based on quality as well, so instead of a "soldier" grabbing an awful assault rifle, they'll go for a good pistol instead.
Is the next update (full release) going to be save compatible?
Quote from: Tatte on May 01, 2016, 11:32:32 PM
Does this mod even WORK with Alpha 13? Because I have been screwing around with it for about 2 hours and when they run out of ammo they wont grab more or anything even though I spawned in about 500 (Nato rounds for the assault rifle) nothing works, why?
Do not use the [A13] EdB Mod Order v0.13.1.2 (23 April 2016) for Combat Realism. I have try it 20 times to figer out that the Mod Order has a problem with Combat Ralism.
Hey I was wondering, I restarted my game the first time I managed to see everything as the picture in the CB mod showed but when i rebooted it up it didn't show it anymore but then I just activated rimfire so maybe that's it. and I don't quite get the instructions for downloading the defense version of this mod, could Someone please explain it to me. Thanks ^^
Quote from: Khilliani on May 02, 2016, 06:44:35 AM
Hey I was wondering, I restarted my game the first time I managed to see everything as the picture in the CB mod showed but when i rebooted it up it didn't show it anymore but then I just activated rimfire so maybe that's it. and I don't quite get the instructions for downloading the defense version of this mod, could Someone please explain it to me. Thanks ^^
You need to use the right Rimfire. Rimfire with CR support. Download in the Rimfire Posting but on the last side.
Quote from: Tatte on May 01, 2016, 11:55:27 PM
Quote from: Diana Winters on May 01, 2016, 11:43:59 PM
Either set a loadout or manually make them pick up more.
Also, have you restarted the game after leaving the mod menu?
I did set a loadout and it wouldn't let me pick up ammo, and yes I did restart it.
If you go to page 79 of this discussion you can see the mod dev talk that he's working on the defense part of it, taking some time to get the turrets to accept ammo.
As for getting the mod to work, what other mods are you using?
From the first post: "Mods that modify vanilla weapons, walls, bodies or body parts (human and mechanoid, animals are fine), rock walls or rock chunks are inherently incompatible, meaning whichever mod is last in your load order will overwrite the changes of the other."
I had the same problem with getting this mod to work, the exact same problem with them not picking up ammo. Turns out it was Glitter Tech which was incompatible and messing with parts of CR.
If you use EPOE don't forget to load the CR/EPOE patch, don't forget to load the CCL right after Core, etc.
Quote from: kimx1636 on May 02, 2016, 07:00:41 AM
Turns out it was Glitter Tech which was incompatible and messing with parts of CR.
Happen to know if there is anyone working on a patch for compatibility?
Quote from: Ghizmo on May 02, 2016, 07:28:46 AM
Quote from: kimx1636 on May 02, 2016, 07:00:41 AM
Turns out it was Glitter Tech which was incompatible and messing with parts of CR.
Happen to know if there is anyone working on a patch for compatibility?
There is not. I have checked. It sucks, cause I wanted to make a Glitter Tech Post-humanist settlement.
I got the mod working after re-downloading CCL, I cannot get my colonists to pick up ammo.. Assigned they will not pick it up and i get no right click menu. They did run out of ammo though. Restarted after accessing the mod menu, and after i noticed the issue and it didn't fix.. This is my mod load order. (I may just be stupid, and feel free to call me so.)
1: Core
2: Community Core Library
3: Community Core Library - Vanilla Tweaks
4: ED-Embrasures
5: ED-laserDrill
6: ED-SubSpaceTransponder
7: EdBPrepareCarefully
8: HaulPriorityLite
9: Hospitality
10: LDAreaRugs
11: LessIncidentTrolling
12: LT_ADogSaid
13: More Furniture
14: MoreSunLamps
15: PackMuffalo
16: Recycle
17: Power Efficient Lights
18: RT_Fuse
19: RT_SolarFlareShield
20: RW_EnhancedTabs
21: RW_PawnBar
22: CombatRealism
23: Rimfire 2.0 for CombatRealism
I know that is alot... But I did have them all working with out errors. Hoping somebody can spot my probably silly muck up..
So uh, I got rimfire, disabled the pistol that uses the 410 bore rounds, and restarted the game. Next thing I know, a trader shows up with 410 bore rounds?
Quote from: Teratles on May 02, 2016, 06:15:21 AM
Quote from: Tatte on May 01, 2016, 11:32:32 PM
Does this mod even WORK with Alpha 13? Because I have been screwing around with it for about 2 hours and when they run out of ammo they wont grab more or anything even though I spawned in about 500 (Nato rounds for the assault rifle) nothing works, why?
Do not use the [A13] EdB Mod Order v0.13.1.2 (23 April 2016) for Combat Realism. I have try it 20 times to figer out that the Mod Order has a problem with Combat Ralism.
I Disabled EVERY other mod and just used combat realism and the Community core library like it says to and still doesnt work
Quote from: kimx1636 on May 02, 2016, 07:00:41 AM
Quote from: Tatte on May 01, 2016, 11:55:27 PM
Quote from: Diana Winters on May 01, 2016, 11:43:59 PM
Either set a loadout or manually make them pick up more.
Also, have you restarted the game after leaving the mod menu?
If you use EPOE don't forget to load the CR/EPOE patch, don't forget to load the CCL right after Core, etc.
What do they mean?. well I know what CR means XD
I did set a loadout and it wouldn't let me pick up ammo, and yes I did restart it.
If you go to page 79 of this discussion you can see the mod dev talk that he's working on the defense part of it, taking some time to get the turrets to accept ammo.
As for getting the mod to work, what other mods are you using?
From the first post: "Mods that modify vanilla weapons, walls, bodies or body parts (human and mechanoid, animals are fine), rock walls or rock chunks are inherently incompatible, meaning whichever mod is last in your load order will overwrite the changes of the other."
I had the same problem with getting this mod to work, the exact same problem with them not picking up ammo. Turns out it was Glitter Tech which was incompatible and messing with parts of CR.
If you use EPOE don't forget to load the CR/EPOE patch, don't forget to load the CCL right after Core, etc.
Got it working!!!!!! Love this mod btw.. Both ED-subspacetransponder and ED-laserdrill were causing errors. After disabling both, my colonists can pick up ammo and EVERYTHING WORKS so far. To anybody having random issues turn of the debug and disable anything mentioned in a error to see if that is interfering.
Does this mod have problems with Glitter Tech weapons? I have both mods installed and when I can't figure out what the Glitter Tech weapons need as ammo. And I think they do need ammo since my settlers will not fire Glitter Tech guns under any circumstance.
Possible bug with CR.
(http://puu.sh/oDRD1/1d1206283d.jpg)
This happens whenever I try to make armor vests. The pawn gathers materials and constructs it as it should be, then the armor vest disappears completely and this error pops up instead.
I tried debug spawning armor vests, and they spawn without any errors showing that they are still in the game as items, it's just that something happens between the despawning of the 'incomplete armor vest' item and the actual armor vest.
Quote from: Tatte on May 02, 2016, 12:22:06 PM
I Disabled EVERY other mod and just used combat realism and the Community core library like it says to and still doesnt work
Attach your output_log.txt (see the sticky on how to report issues)
Quote from: Percy on May 02, 2016, 04:48:15 PM
Does this mod have problems with Glitter Tech weapons? I have both mods installed and when I can't figure out what the Glitter Tech weapons need as ammo. And I think they do need ammo since my settlers will not fire Glitter Tech guns under any circumstance.
Anything adding weapons needs a patch or it won't work
Quote from: admiralKew on May 02, 2016, 05:12:53 PM
Possible bug with CR.
That one is already known and fixed in the dev build.
Ah, thanks! I'll wait for the next release to come out then.
For the life of me I can't find the ammo crafting at the machining table. I have installed the latest CR and CCL and put them in the proper order, and have restarted the game many times, and have tried at least 4 separate games where I couldn't find ammo and probably more.
It stands to reason that it is another mod interfering, but I don't know which one(s). I have eliminated the one(s) I thought may have interfered with something at the machining table, but to no avail.
I haven't tried running a game with just CR and CCL to see if I could see the ammo at the machining table.
Any help is appreciated.
Quote from: Tatte on May 01, 2016, 11:32:32 PM
Do not use the [A13] EdB Mod Order v0.13.1.2 (23 April 2016) for Combat Realism. I have try it 20 times to figer out that the Mod Order has a problem with Combat Ralism.
What other options are available for creating mod ordering?
Quote from: player13 on May 02, 2016, 09:48:14 PM
I haven't tried running a game with just CR and CCL to see if I could see the ammo at the machining table.
Any help is appreciated.
Try this.
Quote from: Flare Flicker on May 02, 2016, 03:57:37 PM
Got it working!!!!!! Love this mod btw.. Both ED-subspacetransponder and ED-laserdrill were causing errors. After disabling both, my colonists can pick up ammo and EVERYTHING WORKS so far. To anybody having random issues turn of the debug and disable anything mentioned in a error to see if that is interfering.
Im using laser drill and it works fine with the mod.
Quote from: akiceabear on May 02, 2016, 09:52:21 PM
Quote from: player13 on May 02, 2016, 09:48:14 PM
I haven't tried running a game with just CR and CCL to see if I could see the ammo at the machining table.
Any help is appreciated.
Try this.
Just tried it and it didn't work. Have only these mods loaded and in this order:
Core
EdB Mod Order
Community Core Library v0.13.1.1
Community Core Library - Vanilla Tweaks
Combat Realism Core
By "not working" I mean I go to the machinist table, click bills, and see nothing about any ammo.
Quote from: player13 on May 03, 2016, 12:01:39 AM
Quote from: akiceabear on May 02, 2016, 09:52:21 PM
Quote from: player13 on May 02, 2016, 09:48:14 PM
I haven't tried running a game with just CR and CCL to see if I could see the ammo at the machining table.
Any help is appreciated.
Try this.
Just tried it and it didn't work. Have only these mods loaded and in this order:
Core
EdB Mod Order
Community Core Library v0.13.1.1
Community Core Library - Vanilla Tweaks
Combat Realism Core
Try:
Remove edb mod order (ccl should be 2nd anyway) and order the mods manually in the mod menu, then restart.
Last I tried, CCL actually refused to load if it detected it's not #2 in the load order. I'm surprised he even got in-game.
i wish there was a way to use this, but without the ammo addition, anything possible? :)
nice mod, liking it a lot, it makes provisioning too much of a chore though with ammo and instead of 3 shotting a raider they stand around blinking "out of ammo".
Quote from: jackarbiter on May 03, 2016, 12:06:12 AM
Quote from: player13 on May 03, 2016, 12:01:39 AM
Quote from: akiceabear on May 02, 2016, 09:52:21 PM
Quote from: player13 on May 02, 2016, 09:48:14 PM
I haven't tried running a game with just CR and CCL to see if I could see the ammo at the machining table.
Any help is appreciated.
Try this.
Just tried it and it didn't work. Have only these mods loaded and in this order:
Core
EdB Mod Order
Community Core Library v0.13.1.1
Community Core Library - Vanilla Tweaks
Combat Realism Core
Try:
Remove edb mod order (ccl should be 2nd anyway) and order the mods manually in the mod menu, then restart.
Removed EdB Mod Order and it worked! First time I've seen that ammo.
It looks like EdB Mod Order is incompatible with CR. I wonder which needs to be fixed or patched. I thought Mod Order was compatible with everything...
Tried running it again with all the other mods I had enabled previously and now it doesn't work again, ha.
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I haven't tried running a game with just CR and CCL to see if I could see the ammo at the machining table.
Any help is appreciated.
Try this.
Just tried it and it didn't work. Have only these mods loaded and in this order:
Core
EdB Mod Order
Community Core Library v0.13.1.1
Community Core Library - Vanilla Tweaks
Combat Realism Core
Try:
Remove edb mod order (ccl should be 2nd anyway) and order the mods manually in the mod menu, then restart.
Removed EdB Mod Order and it worked! First time I've seen that ammo.
It looks like EdB Mod Order is incompatible with CR. I wonder which needs to be fixed or patched. I thought Mod Order was compatible with everything...
Tried running it again with all the other mods I had enabled previously and now it doesn't work again, ha.
It is compatible with EdB Mod Order, I have it running without a problem (now). To start with I couldn't get it to work with EdBMO either even when only running CCL and CR but after some messing around with enabling/disabling mods I got it to work just fine.
My method may be overkill but I restart the game after every mod gets enabled, CCL -> restart -> EdBMO -> restart -> CR etc. and it makes things work when other people can't.
Is there any elaborate readme for this mod, something that explains all of the mechanics in detail?
Like, how much of a difference in accuracy does it make if you switch from single to burst, or from burst to auto fire?
How do you interpret the new "Chance to hit" info, where it shows some values that are measured in "C", that sort of thing.
Also, the enemy AI seems to work differently now. It's as if every raid turned into a sapper squad, even tribals focus on attacking walls and doors now, and deadfall traps have become pretty much useless, dealing about no damage whatsoever to people.
Quote from: player13 on May 03, 2016, 03:20:42 AM
It looks like EdB Mod Order is incompatible with CR. I wonder which needs to be fixed or patched. I thought Mod Order was compatible with everything...
Tried running it again with all the other mods I had enabled previously and now it doesn't work again, ha.
There is no incompatibility between any of EdB's stuff and CR. Your issue was trying to load CCL behind Mod Order. It needs to be right after Core in the load order and will give an error if it is not.
Quote from: Aarkreinsil on May 03, 2016, 03:35:09 AM
Is there any elaborate readme for this mod, something that explains all of the mechanics in detail?
Like, how much of a difference in accuracy does it make if you switch from single to burst, or from burst to auto fire?
How do you interpret the new "Chance to hit" info, where it shows some values that are measured in "C", that sort of thing.
Also, the enemy AI seems to work differently now. It's as if every raid turned into a sapper squad, even tribals focus on attacking walls and doors now, and deadfall traps have become pretty much useless, dealing about no damage whatsoever to people.
You can open the information screen for a pawn or gun and click on any of the new stats (sway factor, aiming efficiency, etc.) to get a detailed explanation of how that stat affects shooting.
Hello NoImageAvailable, could you give me an ETA on 1.6.4 or any releases with various bug fixes? I'm looking forward to playing RimWorld again but I don't want to start another world if an update is coming soon. Huge fan of the mod, can't play RimWorld without it.
Also what do binoculars do in this mod?
~sad_moosey
TL;DR
Soon, Sad_Moosey. Better to wait for it to be ready than to release a broken update
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on May 01, 2016, 05:12:17 PM
So just a heads up, turret ammo is fully functional (though somewhat lacking polish) but sieges are not. Unfortunately there is some very messy code in there so my options are kinda limited between ripping it all out and replacing it (more work than I am willing to commit at this point) or resorting to some hacky workarounds.
The next version also adds new functionality to the loadout manager where pawns will no longer automatically take meals and also drop items if they have more than specified in their loadout. Items that are not actually part of the loadout will not be dropped however, as there are issues both with vanilla jobs and the fact that for this to work properly with player-controlled pickups you'd need some way of disallowing automatic dropping of player-forced items, akin to the outfit manager's forced wear. And that one is just not feasible to implement for me due to technical reasons.
I am also working on tightening up some balance issues, raiders carry much less ammo now and ammo itself as well as ammo crafting are more expensive now. Once I am done balancing I will release the next version as a full release along with CR Defence and my stat sheets I use for balancing so anyone interested in making a compatibility patch can see how the values are calculated.
Just dropped by to tell you that this mod is really awesome. This really should be in the base game in my opinion. Great work
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I haven't tried running a game with just CR and CCL to see if I could see the ammo at the machining table.
Any help is appreciated.
Try this.
Just tried it and it didn't work. Have only these mods loaded and in this order:
Core
EdB Mod Order
Community Core Library v0.13.1.1
Community Core Library - Vanilla Tweaks
Combat Realism Core
Try:
Remove edb mod order (ccl should be 2nd anyway) and order the mods manually in the mod menu, then restart.
Removed EdB Mod Order and it worked! First time I've seen that ammo.
It looks like EdB Mod Order is incompatible with CR. I wonder which needs to be fixed or patched. I thought Mod Order was compatible with everything...
Tried running it again with all the other mods I had enabled previously and now it doesn't work again, ha.
EdB Mod Order works with Combat Realism, your issue was that Community Core must always, ALWAYS be second, right after core, otherwise it messes up. :)
I'm having a bit of an issue in dealing with my hunter. Every time she runs out of ammunition she puts her survivor rifle into her gear instead of equipping it, meaning I manually have to tell her to re-equip her rifle every time she fetches new ammunition.
Is there an easier way to deal with this?
I don't have the option to craft improvised turret at machining table, do I need to research something? couldn't find proper research option as well. or isn't it working yet?
Quote from: Galvenox on May 03, 2016, 07:32:41 AM
I don't have the option to craft improvised turret at machining table, do I need to research something? couldn't find proper research option as well. or isn't it working yet?
They are not in yet. They will be next update.
Hahaha oh my god I can't believe I never saw the benefits of the binoculars this is amazing.
Removing the indirect fire of artillery AND taking the accuracy of the spotter instead of the shooter? Oh sweet jesus this is beautiful.
EDIT: Also, could we PLEASE get a quickfix for centipedes? I'm not joking when I say even the dev-mode kill command isn't enough to actually stop them, because their armor quite literally absorbs the damage done. Its painful to watch when even divine intervention can't stop the unkillable fuckers.
Quote from: Goldenpotatoes on May 03, 2016, 08:07:49 AM
Hahaha oh my god I can't believe I never saw the benefits of the binoculars this is amazing.
Removing the indirect fire of artillery AND taking the accuracy of the spotter instead of the shooter? Oh sweet jesus this is beautiful.
The massively reduced cool down on artillery is awesome too, and makes sieges more of a threat
Bit of a bug, my colonist did not have room for a survival meal in her inventory. She just stood there till I corrected the amount of ammo in her inventory. Not game breaking but something to watch out for, instead of working people may just be drooling over that meal wishing their pack wasn't as full. btw I do like how you can add anything to their loadout. Wood, steel, medicine or anything is that intended and going to stay?
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on May 03, 2016, 04:08:37 AM
There is no incompatibility between any of EdB's stuff and CR. Your issue was trying to load CCL behind Mod Order. It needs to be right after Core in the load order and will give an error if it is not.
Thank you for that information. FYI, it gave no default visible error.
Where can we dl CR defense? I can't find a link anywhere.
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Where can we dl CR defense? I can't find a link anywhere.
Quote from: player13 on May 03, 2016, 12:39:43 PMFYI, it gave no default visible error.
Do you have debug mode on? Or whatever it's called, I'm at work. When you do, errors will show in a popup screen.
Quote from: delraith on May 03, 2016, 02:16:07 PM
Where can we dl CR defense? I can't find a link anywhere.
Wait for the new version to be released. The existing version is not compatible with either the CR pre-release or A13. :)
What difficulty are folks trying 1.6.3 with? I've taken a few serious runs at Cassandra/Challenge "The way it was meant to be played", but find the colony being wiped out in the first 1-3 seasons is inevitable for me with CR's changes.
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What difficulty are folks trying 1.6.3 with? I've taken a few serious runs at Cassandra/Challenge "The way it was meant to be played", but find the colony being wiped out in the first 1-3 seasons is inevitable for me with CR's changes.
I've almost completed an Extreme Randy run, currently finishing up ship research after 2 years in.
The biggest thing you can do is get ahold of rifles as quickly as possible and put clear out any front protection assaulting forces can use against you.
If you have enough open space, most mid-tier rifles can easily out-range the group and pick them off as they come, which usually sends them scattering and thinning out the forces even more. Binocular spotting for artillery runs is also great fun when you're dealing with a siege group/raid that's waiting before the attack.
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EDIT: Also, could we PLEASE get a quickfix for centipedes? I'm not joking when I say even the dev-mode kill command isn't enough to actually stop them, because their armor quite literally absorbs the damage done. Its painful to watch when even divine intervention can't stop the unkillable fuckers.
Yes please! The only thing that damages them is explosives
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Quote from: Goldenpotatoes on May 03, 2016, 08:07:49 AM
EDIT: Also, could we PLEASE get a quickfix for centipedes? I'm not joking when I say even the dev-mode kill command isn't enough to actually stop them, because their armor quite literally absorbs the damage done. Its painful to watch when even divine intervention can't stop the unkillable fuckers.
Yes please! The only thing that damages them is explosives
I think that's the point, but if their armor could break then that might make it so your colonists can hit "squishy-ier" parts
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EDIT: Also, could we PLEASE get a quickfix for centipedes? I'm not joking when I say even the dev-mode kill command isn't enough to actually stop them, because their armor quite literally absorbs the damage done. Its painful to watch when even divine intervention can't stop the unkillable fuckers.
Yes please! The only thing that damages them is explosives
I think that's the point, but if their armor could break then that might make it so your colonists can hit "squishy-ier" parts
The problem is that even if I use AP rounds, they won't die'
Even the kill command won't actually kill them :/
The thing is, vanilla bullets have poor armor penetration, even if they happen to be AP rounds.
In fact, I believe the highest caliber 'bullet' in vanilla is the sniper rifle's 51mm(?) NATO rounds, who's AP bullets have a 70% armor penetration.
And a lot of guns, like the pistol, PDW or shotgun, have bullets with armor penetration of around 30% or below, which makes them very useless against mechanoid armor, even if you use 'armor-piercing' rounds.
The charge rifle's concentrated shot with a armor penetration of 90% would be a better choice.
And of course, compared to the 50 BMG's AP rounds which have 110% armor penetration, it's a kinda low value. And not a single vanilla gun uses that ammo. Not one.
So really, in the vanilla game, charge rifles, explosives, or just heck lot of sniper rifles/whatever else uses 51mm NATO(not a lot. I think maybe miniguns?) and a whole lot of luck is needed to kill the centipedes. Because other then explosives, there really aren't any weapons made for fighting heavy armor like the centipedes.
I think NoImageAvailable did say he was going to make a simple weapon mod to go along with combat realism that'll allow you to make use of most of the different ammo and have a easier time fighting mechanoids and such.
Heres the issue, even with artillery strikes, the bulk of it won't do much damage unless its a DIRECT hit (as in the centipede is in the epicenter of the blast.)
The light shrapnel is pretty much always absorbed by the armor, which usually means enough unlucky artillery hits leaves a blind centipede who can still apparently target (the only unarmored parts are the sensors.) The few bits of 'heavy shrapnel' that come with an artillery hit is the only thing that can actually bypass the armor, but you can't guarantee where they'll hit.
If anything, at least add a more expensive variant of the artillery shell that has bigger shrapnel chunks, which sacrifices AoE potential in exchange for whatever gets hit, gets hit a lot harder.
Quote from: Goldenpotatoes on May 03, 2016, 08:11:26 PM
Heres the issue, even with artillery strikes, the bulk of it won't do much damage unless its a DIRECT hit (as in the centipede is in the epicenter of the blast.)
The light shrapnel is pretty much always absorbed by the armor, which usually means enough unlucky artillery hits leaves a blind centipede who can still apparently target (the only unarmored parts are the sensors.) The few bits of 'heavy shrapnel' that come with an artillery hit is the only thing that can actually bypass the armor, but you can't guarantee where they'll hit.
If anything, at least add a more expensive variant of the artillery shell that has bigger shrapnel chunks, which sacrifices AoE potential in exchange for whatever gets hit, gets hit a lot harder.
Once NoImage gets the manned turrets in working condition, i'm gonna go in there and make a few nasty fun things. I could totally see making an anti-tank gun for taking out armoured targets like centipedes, man.
Quote from: AllenWL on May 03, 2016, 08:02:59 PM
The thing is, vanilla bullets have poor armor penetration, even if they happen to be AP rounds.
In fact, I believe the highest caliber 'bullet' in vanilla is the sniper rifle's 51mm(?) NATO rounds
I've got a 20mm round on my desk, it's like 7 inches long, I thing you're looking for some sort of decimal
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Quote from: AllenWL on May 03, 2016, 08:02:59 PM
The thing is, vanilla bullets have poor armor penetration, even if they happen to be AP rounds.
In fact, I believe the highest caliber 'bullet' in vanilla is the sniper rifle's 51mm(?) NATO rounds
I've got a 20mm round on my desk, it's like 7 inches long, I thing you're looking for some sort of decimal
I think the difference is between measuring the Length or Diameter of the Round.
The 7.62x51mm NATO is 51mm long and 7.62 mm wide. While your 20mm Round will be 20mm in Diameter and 7 inches long.
I've got an idea for a later version of the mod. Completing machining should instead open up a gun crafting research option, after which unlocks the ability to craft gun blueprints at a workstation, which would be needed to actually be able to craft guns. So the recipe for the survival rifle would be the standard steel and components, with the addition of the blueprint item (which it would return) when the bill is completed. Additional recipes could also be created so that copies could be made of these blueprints to allow multiple crafters to work on multiple weapons at the same time.
Quote from: admiralKew on May 03, 2016, 10:53:02 PM
I've got an idea for a later version of the mod. Completing machining should instead open up a gun crafting research option, after which unlocks the ability to craft gun blueprints at a workstation, which would be needed to actually be able to craft guns. So the recipe for the survival rifle would be the standard steel and components, with the addition of the blueprint item (which it would return) when the bill is completed. Additional recipes could also be created so that copies could be made of these blueprints to allow multiple crafters to work on multiple weapons at the same time.
Not sure why you'd want to do that, as you can already craft guns in vanilla now :/
I know. But doesn't it seem rather strange that a two-bit machinist immediately knows how to make a perfectly functioning assault rifle upon unlocking the machining table? Sure a 20, or even 10 skill crafter could know how to make one, but even they'd need to have blueprints and exact specifications to make sure things would work perfectly.
I suppose this blueprints idea would work more as an addon to overhaul the preparing part of getting into combat. Armor could also get the same treatment. Blueprints could also be bought from traders.
Quote from: admiralKew on May 03, 2016, 11:07:19 PM
I know. But doesn't it seem rather strange that a two-bit machinist immediately knows how to make a perfectly functioning assault rifle upon unlocking the machining table? Sure a 20, or even 10 skill crafter could know how to make one, but even they'd need to have blueprints and exact specifications to make sure things would work perfectly.
I suppose this blueprints idea would work more as an addon to overhaul the preparing part of getting into combat. Armor could also get the same treatment. Blueprints could also be bought from traders.
I'm kind of working on a tech tree mod that will tie into CR and incorporate a few other mods to address the issue of people knowing way too many things right off the get go. Trees for Metalworking, Armouring, and Weapon smithing will be included.
I think making blueprints would be an awesome method of balancing gun creation as well though, but I was thinking more along the lines of a blueprint unlocking the crafting instead of being a required item, although the latter mechanic is drastically simpler to implement.
Maybe, though, both could be implemented. Researching the blueprints to actually "learn" them would consume said blueprints.
After unlocking firearm machining, you could make a few rather simple weapons, starting with pipe guns and maybe a grease gun, but for more advanced weapons you'd need to put some work into acquiring one and learning how to make it.
Quote from: AllenWL on May 03, 2016, 08:02:59 PM
The thing is, vanilla bullets have poor armor penetration, even if they happen to be AP rounds.
To expand on this point, here is a nice comparison of bullet sizes:
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/80/cc/1f/80cc1fe94cd9dadd860c6334547b25c6.jpg)
Going from left to right you have ammo for the assault rifle (M16), AK47, LMG & sniper rifle, survival rifle and that's where it stops for Rimworld guns. If you go further right you have the .50cal (the anti-materiel rifles from Rimfire use that), 14.5mm (WWII anti-tank cartridge, the KPV and heavy turret from the defence pack use those). In terms of man-portable guns capable of putting a dent into armored vehicles those two calibers are about it. The stuff to the right is pretty much exclusive to vehicle-mounted machine cannons and only to be found on aircraft, IFV's, warships, etc.
Centipedes have equivalent protection to a normal quality power armor. In terms of vanilla guns nothing short of charge rifles will even dent that. The issue simply boils down to the vanilla game being fine with throwing the equivalent of a future IFV at you in a game with virtually no anti-tank weapons because armor is meaningless. Your pea-shooters can still whittle down any armor the same way pawns can punch down a solid brick wall with their bare fists.
One of the main reasons I'm doing a defence and weapon pack is specifically to add some much-needed anti-tank weapons. CR Defence already includes a heavy auto-turret and the KPV machine gun firing aforementioned 14.5mm ammo which can punch through light vehicle armor, as well as a flak gun which essentially acts like a direct fire mortar. The weapon pack will include both an M72 disposable AT rocket launcher and an RPG-7 for a reusable anti-tank option. Alternatively there are always other gun mods like Rimfire which adds anti-materiel rifles.
With any of these installed Centipedes become much more manageable, especially once you factor in EMP grenades which anyone can carry one or two off. At that point it becomes a game of hitting the Centipede with EMP, be it from a mortar, flak gun or by ambushing it with a grenade, then taking it down with your AT weapon. Additionally, I'll have a look into the whole sight issue. It doesn't really make sense that vanilla lets pawns shoot with no eyesight so I'll have to correct that one.
NoImageAvailable. I have a couple of questions about the mod since I've been using it for a little while.
1. I can't build turrets from the security, which makes sense since you moved them to the machining table, BUT. I can't find them at the machining table either. Meaning I have no way to build a turret for colony defense. I can still make all the guns and all the ammunition, just no turrets.
2. When my pawns run out of ammunition, they unequip their weapon into the gear, meaning I constantly have to re-equip my hunters whenever they have used their ammunition.
Any suggestions?
Quote from: kimx1636 on May 04, 2016, 09:21:21 AM
NoImageAvailable. I have a couple of questions about the mod since I've been using it for a little while.
1. I can't build turrets from the security, which makes sense since you moved them to the machining table, BUT. I can't find them at the machining table either. Meaning I have no way to build a turret for colony defense. I can still make all the guns and all the ammunition, just no turrets.
Turrets were temporarily disabled until NoImage could finish them up and make them use ammunition. They will be re-enabled when they're ready.
20mm cannon, depleted uranium rounds, cannon has to be set up before it can start shooting, looking kinda like this http://youtu.be/V8FzzEyegJQ is what we need for centipedes.
i assume there is no Rimsenal Patch?
Quote from: katjezz on May 04, 2016, 09:46:45 AM
i assume there is no Rimsenal Patch?
There is not, but if you've just started with rimworld, don't go for CR right away
Dunno if this is fixed in the dev build but my colonist lost a leg and thus had no carry weight capacity, causing the bar to freak out:
(http://i.imgur.com/bnOPy1R.png)
It happens in the pawn gear tab as well.
heh, I suppose divide by zero is still a thing. I'll have a looksie.
Just a quick progress update, turrets are pretty much fully functional, both the automated and manned variants. There are a few kinks left but nothing gamebreaking. Since then I have been working on fixing a number of other outstanding issues to bring the mod up to snuff for the full release:
For one, the loadout AI has been greatly expanded. Pawns will actively drop anything not part of their current loadout including equipped weapons. On the other hand, they act smarter about picking things up now. They will prioritize filling up whenever they're near the thing they need or are below 50% of their wanted stock. Otherwise they will prioritize other things such as working, getting joy, etc. depending on their time schedule. Automatic food packing has been disabled, instead they will pick up food as part of their loadout only when in close proximity. While it is no longer possible to quickly tell a pawn manually to pick something up to make it part of their loadout (it still works if you draft them though) the loadout system is now a true catch-all system to control everything that goes into your pawns' inventory.
An outstanding issue with trade prices has been fixed. The vanilla game has an issue where trade prices are rounded normal and buying prices are capped at $0.50. This meant on one hand that most smaller bullets had 50 times the price they were supposed to have, on the other hand bullets with prices of e.g. $1.25 could be gotten cheaper if you bought them individually since the price of $1.25 would be rounded down to $1 for each bullet. Now trade prices are uncapped and rounding always happens in favor of the trader. So if you buy a bullet worth $0.01 it is rounded up to $1, if you sell a bullet worth $0.01 the price is rounded down to $0. This way there can be proper bullet prices without silly exploits about getting ammo for free if you bought it 6 bullets at a time.
As it stands there are only one or two outstanding issues waiting to be fixed, most prominently the issue where selling to trade caravans makes them go over their inventory limit and they drop the items you just sold them. After that is dealt with I'll put out the last pre-release build. After that I'll make one more update to bring the melee system up to snuff and that'll be the full-fledged A13 release as well as my last update before I cease development.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on May 04, 2016, 03:09:00 PM
After that I'll make one more update to bring the melee system up to snuff and that'll be the full-fledged A13 release as well as my last update before I cease development.
That sounds ominous!
Quick question: I'm looking to run CR for the first time, but I'm not sure if it is working correctly. I tried equipping a rifle, but I have no indicator as to how much ammo I have. No reload-button either (was it removed?). Accessing the rifle's information does reveal new stuff (firemodes, magazine size), is it working as intended?
I'm running no mods what-so-ever aside from CCL, mod order and CR (in that order).
1) restart your game after opening the mod activation menu,
2) if that doesn't work, EdB mod order may interfere with CR or CCL - this has been reported before.
Quote from: deathstar on May 04, 2016, 03:48:37 PM
Quick question: I'm looking to run CR for the first time, but I'm not sure if it is working correctly. I tried equipping a rifle, but I have no indicator as to how much ammo I have. No reload-button either (was it removed?). Accessing the rifle's information does reveal new stuff (firemodes, magazine size), is it working as intended?
I'm running no mods what-so-ever aside from CCL, mod order and CR (in that order).
had the same problem, check your load order of mods, CCL should be right after Core, always second. always.
I'm sure this gets asked all the time but: what other mods does everyone use in conjuction with this?
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on May 04, 2016, 03:09:00 PM
Just a quick progress update, turrets are pretty much fully functional, both the automated and manned variants.
Are these in the dev branch at the moment? I could find the automated turrets, but not the manned ones.
Quote from: Krutchen on May 04, 2016, 06:46:36 PM
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on May 04, 2016, 03:09:00 PM
Just a quick progress update, turrets are pretty much fully functional, both the automated and manned variants.
Are these in the dev branch at the moment? I could find the automated turrets, but not the manned ones.
Only the code for the main mod is on github, all the new turrets are in the Defence Pack addon which is not.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on May 04, 2016, 06:59:48 PM
Quote from: Krutchen on May 04, 2016, 06:46:36 PM
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on May 04, 2016, 03:09:00 PM
Just a quick progress update, turrets are pretty much fully functional, both the automated and manned variants.
Are these in the dev branch at the moment? I could find the automated turrets, but not the manned ones.
Only the code for the main mod is on github, all the new turrets are in the Defence Pack addon which is not.
Oh, good point. Guess I'll have to wait for all that goodness :(
Quote from: Grizzlyadamz on May 04, 2016, 05:41:06 PM
I'm sure this gets asked all the time but: what other mods does everyone use in conjuction with this?
I'm just using Hospitality, Apparello, the EdB suite and Pawn State Icons. a13 has a lot of new stuff, and doesn't need as many mods, IMO, to be enjoyable.
I'm planning to add Rimfire so that I can actually use all the new bullets.
One quick question I do have: Can pawns with personal shields be given a different combat behavior regarding suppression and hunkering? While on the player side it could be seen as a fix for the whole shielded decoy trick, melee raiders should really focus on getting into melee with my guns, not diving behind cover and giving me all the time in the world to break their shields.
Quote from: Goldenpotatoes on May 03, 2016, 07:03:23 PM
I've almost completed an Extreme Randy run, currently finishing up ship research after 2 years in.
The biggest thing you can do is get ahold of rifles as quickly as possible and put clear out any front protection assaulting forces can use against you.
If you have enough open space, most mid-tier rifles can easily out-range the group and pick them off as they come, which usually sends them scattering and thinning out the forces even more. Binocular spotting for artillery runs is also great fun when you're dealing with a siege group/raid that's waiting before the attack.
I guess Randy can certainly let one get through since there's as much chance to be let off the hook early in the game as to be crushed and then in the late game the CR impossibilities become challenges instead. And of course save scumming has much more utility with Randy; so that's probably good advice. With Cassandra I save scum a first-Fall Scyther raid of 8 (vs 4 colonists) and Cassandra rerolls it as 10 heavily armed human raiders with a mix of melee, heavy and light weapons. I've noodled around some more with Cassandra and tried save scumming specifically to see whether the impossible scenarios are outliers or not. Unfortunately not.
How do I add ammo to a pawns inventory?
Quote from: Grizzlyadamz on May 04, 2016, 05:41:06 PM
I'm sure this gets asked all the time but: what other mods does everyone use in conjuction with this?
Rimfire, for the high-caliber guns and RPGs and such, then stonecutting tweak, and that's about it.
The rest are just small things that don't even change the gameplay, like a mod that changes the healroot's name back to xerigium.
Currently trying out crash-landing, but not sure if I like it, so I'll probably remove it for the next colony.
Edit:
So... got my first mechanoid raid with CR.
At first, I thought it won't be so bad. It was just scythers, and all my guys had armor vests of decent quality. Plus, we had a RPG with HEAT rounds.
I thought we'll just cover our RPG-user with our other pawns and take out the scythers one by one.
At first, the engagement seemed to be going well. We took out about three scythers with the RPG. Then, a pawn(who was also the most secure) got hit.... and was incapacitated. Instantly. Soon enough, all pawns where incapacitated very quickly(the pawn who was behind a wall was taking most of the hits before. Sandbags are not very protective). It took about two shots, maybe three, sometimes one.
I thought it was weird, so I checked their health tab, which showed that shots to the armored parts where barely blocked. I thought that was weird, so I checked the scythers.
Apparently, the scyther's ammo has 100% armor penetration. 100%.
I can understand them having insane armor. They're giant killer robots, and we do have things like EMPs and grenades and mortars and such to take them down.
But 100% armor penetration? The high damage and the secondary explosive damage is bad enough, but 100% penetration? When for the most part, the most defensive thing you'll have is just an armor vest? What, are we supposed to never engage mechanoids at all until we get power armor and charge rifles for everyone?
Yeah, I tried everything and so far I dont get any buttons to reload or anything. CCL is right after core and CR right after that. I dont know why but yeah, it just wont work for me.
I keep getting this prompt when I try to activate this mod in mod menu. Even if I only have core, core library and CL active.
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Is there anyway to create a build for my colonist including weapons and ammo?
Its a pain in the ass to equip an entire colony when a raid hits, impossible if you have more than 10 colonists.
Quote from: st james jack john on May 05, 2016, 08:24:09 AM
Is there anyway to create a build for my colonist including weapons and ammo?
Its a pain in the ass to equip an entire colony when a raid hits, impossible if you have more than 10 colonists.
Use the loadout tab. Make outfits for raids.
Try having one or two dedicated guards that are always equipped for combat, so that they can buy time and defend while you have the rest of your combat capable guys swap to their loadout & outfit to soldiering gear.
Remember, the Outfit and the Loadout tabs are your friends, they make things a thousand times simpler.
Quote from: iWilliBlecha on May 05, 2016, 05:02:18 AM
Yeah, I tried everything and so far I dont get any buttons to reload or anything. CCL is right after core and CR right after that. I dont know why but yeah, it just wont work for me.
Try the following steps, it worked for me:
1. Disable all mods
2. Reload the game.
3. Enable CCL and CR.
4. Reload the game.
5. Create a new world, start a colony, check if you can reload the guns. If yes, follow the next step. If not, reinstall your game and do steps 3-5, this should certainly work.
6. Enable your other mods one at a time and reload the game after enabling each mod.
7. Create a new world, start a colony, check if you can reload the guns. If yes, follow the next step. If not, well, I guess there's an incompatibility between CR and one of the mods. In which case, you would have to find out which mod is causing that.
8. ????????
9. Profit!
If this works, I think you would have to start a new colony all over again though.
Quote from: AllenWL on May 04, 2016, 10:01:40 PM
Edit:
So... got my first mechanoid raid with CR.
At first, I thought it won't be so bad. It was just scythers, and all my guys had armor vests of decent quality. Plus, we had a RPG with HEAT rounds.
I thought we'll just cover our RPG-user with our other pawns and take out the scythers one by one.
At first, the engagement seemed to be going well. We took out about three scythers with the RPG. Then, a pawn(who was also the most secure) got hit.... and was incapacitated. Instantly. Soon enough, all pawns where incapacitated very quickly(the pawn who was behind a wall was taking most of the hits before. Sandbags are not very protective). It took about two shots, maybe three, sometimes one.
I thought it was weird, so I checked their health tab, which showed that shots to the armored parts where barely blocked. I thought that was weird, so I checked the scythers.
Apparently, the scyther's ammo has 100% armor penetration. 100%.
I can understand them having insane armor. They're giant killer robots, and we do have things like EMPs and grenades and mortars and such to take them down.
But 100% armor penetration? The high damage and the secondary explosive damage is bad enough, but 100% penetration? When for the most part, the most defensive thing you'll have is just an armor vest? What, are we supposed to never engage mechanoids at all until we get power armor and charge rifles for everyone?
It sounds like a combination of bad luck and wrong tool for the job to me. Scythers don't have half the armor of a Centipede, less than a normal quality steel vest even. Even regular rifle rounds have a very high chance of penetrating. Their durability comes from the fact that since they feel no pain you'll need repeated hits to vital parts to take them down. Even so, any penetration is very likely to hit some internal body part which will quickly erode their effectiveness to nothing.
HEAT warheads are designed to destroy tanks, using them on anything shy of a Centipede is not only overkill, it is ineffective too. An RPG has a very low rate of fire and lackluster accuracy, unless your target is actually the size of a tank your chances of hitting are slim and HEAT only does damage on a direct hit. Against soft targets like Scythers or armored infantry you should either switch to a backup rifle or use thermobarics if they're clustered or in a position with strong cover.
The armor penetration is to keep them at least marginally relevant later on in the game. Their armor is weak and their weapons have an extremely low rate of fire, armor penetration is literally all they have going for them. Once you get a decent assortment of heavy weapons Scythers turn into pure chaff, if I made their weapons so weak they couldn't even pierce normal quality power armor they would be no threat at all. Their hits are weak enough that they're very unlikely to kill, especially in one shot, but as long as they can hurt you through armor they remain a factor on the battlefield.
Quote from: iWilliBlecha on May 05, 2016, 05:02:18 AM
Yeah, I tried everything and so far I dont get any buttons to reload or anything. CCL is right after core and CR right after that. I dont know why but yeah, it just wont work for me.
Missing buttons are usually caused by loading into a corrupted game state after changing mods. Did you make sure you restarted the game after opening the mod window?
Hmm, how much damage gets through PA at 100% penetration? All of it or only some?
In theory at least, I think I'm partial to what AllenWL thought the balance was- mechanoids all being tough, with a fearsome assortment of weapons, vs scythers being chaff with fearsome weapons.
What I'd like to see (in theory, again, haven't tested much so this might be claptrap):
-Make scyther's durability about on-par with power armor. Late-game you'll be on even footing, and will have to rely on weaponry & other defenses to win.
-Give them a very good chance to spawn with charge rifles. 60% or so. They're a surrogate soldier after-all, so it makes sense that alot of them would have more traditional infantry weaponry. In the meantime, it'll modulate their threat to less-armored, earlier-game colonists.
-Make sure the charge rifle still has a small amount of penetration against power armor. (Again, haven't play-tested yet, might be wasting my time describing the game as-is)
-Buff the charge lance slightly. Faster-firing to make up for fewer of them, & make sure it has pretty good penetration against power-armor regardless of performance against lower-tier stuff.
With those changes, scythers/mechanoids will still be a nightmare early-game, (in fact moreso, since standard rifle rounds will have a hard time dealing with them), but they won't cut through your lower-tier armor quite as easily. Instead it'll be a small, high-armor raid where you can prioritize taking out the most dangerous weapons (charge lances) before dealing with the charge-rifle troopers.
Did I hit with any of this or did I just wiff the whole thing?
-edit
Oh hey forgot to mention:
Quote from: Grizzlyadamz on May 04, 2016, 05:41:06 PM
I'm sure this gets asked all the time but: what other mods does everyone use in conjuction with this?
Quote from: RepliesRimfire
Y'know, after looking around, I think I might prefer the look & selection of HighCaliber. More iconic, easily-discerned weapons, and all of it's 'modern' stuff. No WWI top-fed antiques.
Unless the sounds are as obnoxious as in their YT video.
Man I need to get playtesting.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on May 05, 2016, 09:08:36 AM
The armor penetration is to keep them at least marginally relevant later on in the game. Their armor is weak and their weapons have an extremely low rate of fire, armor penetration is literally all they have going for them. Once you get a decent assortment of heavy weapons Scythers turn into pure chaff, if I made their weapons so weak they couldn't even pierce normal quality power armor they would be no threat at all. Their hits are weak enough that they're very unlikely to kill, especially in one shot, but as long as they can hurt you through armor they remain a factor on the battlefield.
Best strategy against sythers is going full nude with AP rounds, got it
I've found Ion Charges for charge rifles with burst or auto the absolute best weapon against scythers. Charge rifles are love, charge rifles are life. I usually just blow centipedes to hell with HEAT rounds from my RPG.
Quote from: Colonist51 on May 05, 2016, 08:50:04 AM
Quote from: iWilliBlecha on May 05, 2016, 05:02:18 AM
Yeah, I tried everything and so far I dont get any buttons to reload or anything. CCL is right after core and CR right after that. I dont know why but yeah, it just wont work for me.
Try the following steps, it worked for me:
1. Disable all mods
2. Reload the game.
3. Enable CCL and CR.
4. Reload the game.
5. Create a new world, start a colony, check if you can reload the guns. If yes, follow the next step. If not, reinstall your game and do steps 3-5, this should certainly work.
6. Enable your other mods one at a time and reload the game after enabling each mod.
7. Create a new world, start a colony, check if you can reload the guns. If yes, follow the next step. If not, well, I guess there's an incompatibility between CR and one of the mods. In which case, you would have to find out which mod is causing that.
8. ????????
9. Profit!
If this works, I think you would have to start a new colony all over again though.
Tried that. Even with just CCL and CR, I doesnt work at all. I downloaded the whole game again and made sure it has a clean start, but still nothing...
Quote from: Grizzlyadamz on May 05, 2016, 11:27:34 AM
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Oh hey forgot to mention:
Quote from: Grizzlyadamz on May 04, 2016, 05:41:06 PM
I'm sure this gets asked all the time but: what other mods does everyone use in conjuction with this?
Quote from: RepliesRimfire
Y'know, after looking around, I think I might prefer the look & selection of HighCaliber. More iconic, easily-discerned weapons, and all of it's 'modern' stuff. No WWI top-fed antiques.
Unless the sounds are as obnoxious as in their YT video.
Man I need to get playtesting.
What about the sounds make them obnoxious? The mod was originally accurate gun sounds.
Quote from: iWilliBlecha on May 05, 2016, 12:04:09 PM
Tried that. Even with just CCL and CR, I doesnt work at all. I downloaded the whole game again and made sure it has a clean start, but still nothing...
At this point you should probably post an error log (not a screenshot, the actual log).
Quote from: dareddevil7 on May 05, 2016, 12:12:18 PM
Quote from: Grizzlyadamz on May 05, 2016, 11:27:34 AM
What about the sounds make them obnoxious? The mod was originally accurate gun sounds.
At least in the YT video, they seemed quite a bit louder than the vanilla sounds- you could hardly hear the charge rifles next to the cacaphony of conventional gunfire.
Quote from: Grizzlyadamz on May 05, 2016, 02:02:06 PM
Quote from: dareddevil7 on May 05, 2016, 12:12:18 PM
Quote from: Grizzlyadamz on May 05, 2016, 11:27:34 AM
What about the sounds make them obnoxious? The mod was originally accurate gun sounds.
At least in the YT video, they seemed quite a bit louder than the vanilla sounds- you could hardly hear the charge rifles next to the cacaphony of conventional gunfire.
Source
Rifle, .223
dB Peak
155 dB
Distance
from Source
at shooter's ear
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Source
Chopping firewood
dB Peak
78 dB
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In conclusion, gunfire is very loud, far louder than a tree being chopped down.
Quick question that hopefully someone can answer: How do you get more ammo for your guns? I ran out of ammo pretty quickly and killed some raiders, but how do I get more ammo for my guns?
Quote from: Supershark88 on May 05, 2016, 05:43:16 PM
Quick question that hopefully someone can answer: How do you get more ammo for your guns? I ran out of ammo pretty quickly and killed some raiders, but how do I get more ammo for my guns?
you can craft it at machining table. but if you killed some raiders, they should drop some ammo, unless all of them were melee.
Hmm, hey, does this mod ascribe armor-penetration to non-AP 5.7x28 ammo?
Thinking about HC & the 5.7 weapons they have- the P90 should be able to defeat kevlar vests, but if the 5-7 pistol has any special properties that would be a mistake. If that's the case, I wonder if it would be best corrected through the ammo's properties or those of the pistol.
@daredevil
Eh I'm not a fan of the 'realism'. It just drowns everything out, sounds overblown.
I'll probably just deal with it though.
@supershark
I think you can craft it, somehow.
Quote from: Grizzlyadamz on May 05, 2016, 05:57:32 PM
@daredevil
Eh I'm not a fan of the 'realism'. It just drowns everything out, sounds overblown.
I'll probably just deal with it though.
The mod these posts are on is combat realism, high caliber was originally realistic gun sounds
Update 1.6.4 is now available, along with the latest version of CR Defence. Loadout AI has been overhauled, pawns will now aggressively unequip anything not part of their loadout so if you want to manually tell them to pick something up you should keep in mind that you'll have to draft your colonist first because as soon as they're undrafted they'll start removing the excess items they just picked up. Overall this means pretty much all inventory management happens through loadouts now, guns will be equipped and unequipped as needed and automatic meal pickups have been disabled so if you want your pawns to carry extra meals you need to make them part of their loadout. Let me know how the new system is for management.
Turrets have been integrated with both the ammo system and the aim mode system. Manned turrets from the Defence Pack can switch between all the fire and aim modes available to regular weapons and all turrets can utilize the new ammo types. For mortars this means instead of having three mortars using the same ammo you now have one mortar using three different types of ammo. Auto-turrets need to be reloaded by haulers, which will happen automatically whenever a turret hasn't fired in a while or when very low on ammo. While auto-turrets can't use any fire modes other than full-auto aimed shots you can use the aim mode button to toggle hold fire mode to prevent friendly fire accidents. In addition, auto-turrets have been given the manual targeting command back.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on May 05, 2016, 09:08:36 AM
It sounds like a combination of bad luck and wrong tool for the job to me. Scythers don't have half the armor of a Centipede, less than a normal quality steel vest even. Even regular rifle rounds have a very high chance of penetrating. Their durability comes from the fact that since they feel no pain you'll need repeated hits to vital parts to take them down. Even so, any penetration is very likely to hit some internal body part which will quickly erode their effectiveness to nothing.
HEAT warheads are designed to destroy tanks, using them on anything shy of a Centipede is not only overkill, it is ineffective too. An RPG has a very low rate of fire and lackluster accuracy, unless your target is actually the size of a tank your chances of hitting are slim and HEAT only does damage on a direct hit. Against soft targets like Scythers or armored infantry you should either switch to a backup rifle or use thermobarics if they're clustered or in a position with strong cover.
The armor penetration is to keep them at least marginally relevant later on in the game. Their armor is weak and their weapons have an extremely low rate of fire, armor penetration is literally all they have going for them. Once you get a decent assortment of heavy weapons Scythers turn into pure chaff, if I made their weapons so weak they couldn't even pierce normal quality power armor they would be no threat at all. Their hits are weak enough that they're very unlikely to kill, especially in one shot, but as long as they can hurt you through armor they remain a factor on the battlefield.
Huh, maybe I just needed more rifles. Just had one with me at the time.
And I did take care of all but two, so..
Also, I guess they didn't kill anyone, just incapacitate the lot of them.
I feel crash-landing was also to blame a bit, since I had around 30 glitterworld medicen, 40 normal meds, about a dozen prostheses, and so on from crashing ship parts. It's probably the reason why I got so many scythers popping out.
Say, what you consider the best way to get guns and ammo in the start of the game?
Buying them from traders, or looting them from raids?
Edit:
Or just going for the machining table research?
I've got a bug that I can't make sense of, and it referneces Combat Realism so... figured i'd post it here and maybe you can help?
P.s. you may have to open the first screenshot in a separate tab so you can see the line that's cut off.
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Thanks so much guys for the work you've put into this mod, it's amazing. Did I read that right though Noimage? you're ceasing development on the mod? Do you mean until another update by Tynan or indefinitely?
Either way nobody could fault you because between Tynan making the game and this amazing community of modders pimping it out to the next level I'm more the happy with all that's available especially as it's still only in Alpha!
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on May 05, 2016, 08:25:54 PM
Update 1.6.4 is now available, along with the latest version of CR Defence.
Maybe I'm missing something really obvious, but the only release on Git at the moment is CR Defence. Am I supposed to manually download the master branch to update the rest?
Quote from: Devon_v on May 06, 2016, 02:41:31 AM
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on May 05, 2016, 08:25:54 PM
Update 1.6.4 is now available, along with the latest version of CR Defence.
Maybe I'm missing something really obvious, but the only release on Git at the moment is CR Defence. Am I supposed to manually download the master branch to update the rest?
Its not clear, but the "source code" text for the turret update is actually the 1.6.4 update. When you download it, the file will be appropriately named.
Just for anyone who's curious, the 1.6.4 update seems to have changed the format for shots, and throws a boatload of errors from the weapon mods out there. Tried adding the defense pack as well, but an existing world failed to load, so either it conflicted with something else or just isn't save game friendly. As a result, I can't say if the broken XML actually prevents the mod weapons from working.
suggesting feature for loadouts. hopefully it is possible to implement. add a forcewear option to weapons and ammo so when clicked it adds the items to the loadout tab. sry for engrish
Quote from: Profugo Barbatus on May 06, 2016, 03:21:04 AM
Quote from: Devon_v on May 06, 2016, 02:41:31 AM
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on May 05, 2016, 08:25:54 PM
Update 1.6.4 is now available, along with the latest version of CR Defence.
Maybe I'm missing something really obvious, but the only release on Git at the moment is CR Defence. Am I supposed to manually download the master branch to update the rest?
Its not clear, but the "source code" text for the turret update is actually the 1.6.4 update. When you download it, the file will be appropriately named.
Thank you for making it clear. I was wondering if I was insane for thinking things weren't working at all with 1.6.3 + Defense pack.
Just to clarify, the source download is the 1.6.4 release. I've added a more clearly labeled download which is the same except it doesn't contain the source code for the DLL. Due to a change in the way recoil is handled existing compatibility patches for gun mods won't work anymore. I've already sent an updated patch for Rimfire to Alistaire and it should be going up shortly.
Additionally, due to a number of changes to turrets and arrows existing save games won't work without manual editing. Either start a new colony with a new world or edit out any reference to (great) arrows and turrets/mortars.
How feasible is it to add a loadout like system that works with an equipment rack or similar?
Because with the bulk changes and such it would be nice to set up armories, but i would like to control how much ammo is stored in a stack for each soldier. For instance, I would like to keep 3 assault rifles with 3 separate clumps of 100 ammo in a forward armory, so that when i get attacked i could draft, pick up the guns and the ammo amount i want and then they'd be ready, so that i don't need to keep them running around with a gun and ammo and cluttering up inventory all the time
The new patch looks really good.
I like the new auto equip and aggressive drop, but I could need a generic option to get one of any type of meals, maybe preferring the better one. Right now it is a pain to configure survival package for everyone, then change to simple meals and so on, and I don't want to select both, as the inventory is limited.
Great! I haven't been able to download the new version yet. Would it be possible to add a button to duplicate a certain loadout if there hasn't been such an addition yet? Or the ability to import and export loadouts to/from xml files like the blueprints mod or prepare carefully?
Quote from: Grizzlyadamz on May 05, 2016, 05:57:32 PM
Hmm, hey, does this mod ascribe armor-penetration to non-AP 5.7x28 ammo?
Thinking about HC & the 5.7 weapons they have- the P90 should be able to defeat kevlar vests, but if the 5-7 pistol has any special properties that would be a mistake. If that's the case, I wonder if it would be best corrected through the ammo's properties or those of the pistol.
i only added 5.7x28mm FMJ to the mod since there is no 5.7x28mm AP or HP(discontinued in 2004). i gave 5.7x28mm a lot more armor-piercing abilily than any other handgun round but since the default armor vest in game is based on Lvl 3 body armor, it cant penetrate anyway. unless someone come with a new lvl2 body armor. however i dont know if it can penetrate kevlar helmet, never tested it.
and the FN Five-Seven and P90 uses the same cartridge.
any help on the bugs?
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jesus fuck ammo makes this game 10 times as hard
Quote from: eatKenny on May 06, 2016, 09:17:56 AM
Quote from: Grizzlyadamz on May 05, 2016, 05:57:32 PM
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i only added 5.7x28mm FMJ to the mod since there is no 5.7x28mm AP or HP(discontinued in 2004). i gave 5.7x28mm a lot more armor-piercing abilily than any other handgun round but since the default armor vest in game is based on Lvl 3 body armor, it cant penetrate anyway. unless someone come with a new lvl2 body armor. however i dont know if it can penetrate kevlar helmet, never tested it.
and the FN Five-Seven and P90 uses the same cartridge.
Oh hey, you caught me!
So it's attached to the cartridge eh? Well that'd be a pain if it wasn't a moot point anyway (if the armor's based on level-3 like you say)- my understand is that the p90's armor-penetration is based around multiple high-velocity rounds impacting in a tight group, (so accuracy & ROF were critical). The 5-7 by contrast has a lower muzzle-velocity & is semi-auto, so it has a much harder time penetrating even level-2 vests.
The armor-penetration of the so-called 'cop-killer' round is completely overblown, so much so that a lot of police officers in the US & Mexico mention how thankful they are that misconception exists since members of the drug-cartels buy into it.
But anyway, should we move this over to the High-cal thread?
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on May 06, 2016, 06:03:15 AM
Additionally, due to a number of changes to turrets and arrows existing save games won't work without manual editing. Either start a new colony with a new world or edit out any reference to (great) arrows and turrets/mortars.
That would explain why Rimworld keeps bombing back to the title screen. :)
I wasn't happy with that colony anyway.
I installed the main mod and the defence mod. The defence mod clearly works, but when I shoot my guns, it doesnt show me any way to reload. No reload prompts at all, even though it says "out of ammo" when i shoot at animals. What have I done wrong.
Load order - https://gyazo.com/8ad7e24a523dad47aa3847fef3f6aeac
Quote from: shifty0 on May 06, 2016, 03:43:57 PM
I installed the main mod and the defence mod. The defence mod clearly works, but when I shoot my guns, it doesnt show me any way to reload. No reload prompts at all, even though it says "out of ammo" when i shoot at animals. What have I done wrong.
Load order - https://gyazo.com/8ad7e24a523dad47aa3847fef3f6aeac
You are using an old version of Rimfire/CR compatibility patch from the looks of it, the one you are using is an older version meant for Alpha 12
You'll want to use the CR Patch Pre-release (https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=9536.msg212677#msg212677) versions of Rimfire.
Quote from: shadowstreaker on May 06, 2016, 03:58:05 PM
Quote from: shifty0 on May 06, 2016, 03:43:57 PM
I installed the main mod and the defence mod. The defence mod clearly works, but when I shoot my guns, it doesnt show me any way to reload. No reload prompts at all, even though it says "out of ammo" when i shoot at animals. What have I done wrong.
Load order - https://gyazo.com/8ad7e24a523dad47aa3847fef3f6aeac
You are using an old version of Rimfire/CR compatibility patch from the looks of it, the one you are using is an older version meant for Alpha 12
I was using the proper one before and it wasnt working either, thats why I put in the older version to see if it fixed. It didnt so now im trying to explore other reasons why it failed.
The "1.6.0" version doesn't work with CR 1.6.4 anymore, a new one has been provided in the Rimfire thread. That should be the problem.
Quote from: Alistaire on May 06, 2016, 04:30:01 PM
The "1.6.0" version doesn't work with CR 1.6.4 anymore, a new one has been provided in the Rimfire thread. That should be the problem.
I tried just turning off Rimfire and I still cant reload my weapons. So rimfire isnt the issue.
You also have to restart the game after closing the mod menu.
I reset the game with rimfire off. i'll post a link showing that I still cant reload my gun, but it clearly says "out of ammo" above my one settlers head.
https://gyazo.com/cb5d184984a7aa61c9cc0cb2bcdc3b61
Quote from: shifty0 on May 06, 2016, 04:43:34 PM
I reset the game with rimfire off. i'll post a link showing that I still cant reload my gun, but it clearly says "out of ammo" above my one settlers head.
https://gyazo.com/cb5d184984a7aa61c9cc0cb2bcdc3b61
Are you using the right load order? It should be Core -> CCL -> everything else (your other link is broken)
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on May 06, 2016, 04:51:52 PM
Quote from: shifty0 on May 06, 2016, 04:43:34 PM
I reset the game with rimfire off. i'll post a link showing that I still cant reload my gun, but it clearly says "out of ammo" above my one settlers head.
https://gyazo.com/cb5d184984a7aa61c9cc0cb2bcdc3b61
Are you using the right load order? It should be Core -> CCL -> everything else (your other link is broken)
Core > CCL > CRC > Everything else.
I deleted and reinstalled the same file and it works now, so i guess there was just a small install error. Thanks for the help.
Anyone else having issues with edb-prepare carefully a13 beta causing embrasures, Ive tried embrasures from Enhanced defence and Combat realism defence, to stop working properly and become glorified walls? Its the only mod that fixes the issue when removed from my load order, and idk if thats a known bug or i am an idiot. Whether User error (possible) or Beta bug i cant seem to find any other instances of this happening.
my basic order that triggers it is:Core, CCL, Com. Real. Core, Comb. Real. Defence, EdB-Mod order and EdB-PC,
all of which are up to date on my end as of this post. I checked that first.
(posted to EdB-PC thread first, figured i would post here as well in case it was a CR issue instead, im new to trouble shooting conflicts so any help/advice would be appreciated)
Quote from: slaveofpeon on May 06, 2016, 06:38:43 PM
Anyone else having issues with edb-prepare carefully a13 beta causing embrasures, Ive tried embrasures from Enhanced defence and Combat realism defence, to stop working properly and become glorified walls? Its the only mod that fixes the issue when removed from my load order, and idk if thats a known bug or i am an idiot. Whether User error (possible) or Beta bug i cant seem to find any other instances of this happening.
my basic order that triggers it is:Core, CCL, Com. Real. Core, Comb. Real. Defence, EdB-Mod order and EdB-PC,
all of which are up to date on my end as of this post. I checked that first.
(posted to EdB-PC thread first, figured i would post here as well in case it was a CR issue instead, im new to trouble shooting conflicts so any help/advice would be appreciated)
I just released a patch that should fix this.
https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=18995.msg207266#msg207266
Let me know how it goes on the other thread.
Sorry, I was in a bit of a rush earlier to get to work, and just did a quick copy paste on my issue in my earlier post. To be clear, I wasn't using Enhanced Defense and Combat realism together, the issue is that when I use EdB Prepare Carefully with Enhanced Defense, or EdB Prepare Carefully with CR Defense, that the embrasures act like normal walls, instead of walls with shoot holes in them. I remove EdB Prepare from the mod load and start a new world, and all problems are solved.
I know that EdB is in Alpha 13 beta right now, so there are bound to be issues, but i figured that i would comment on here in the case that it was CR not playing nice with EdB and not EdB causing the issue. Hope that makes things a little more clear.
Hello NoImageAvailable! I'm just checking in to say that I can't play Vanilla any more since I discovered this mod of yours. I was a Dwarf Fortress fan first and so I'm into the hardcore simulation and merciless realism that this game provides with the help of CR. I use the Rimfire patch too, kudos to you Alistaire.
I'm loving the turrets in the recent release: the light turret feels well balanced, embrasures work better than the mod I was using before that added them and barbed wire is great too.
Quote from: Grizzlyadamz on May 06, 2016, 12:27:13 PM
Oh hey, you caught me!
So it's attached to the cartridge eh? Well that'd be a pain if it wasn't a moot point anyway (if the armor's based on level-3 like you say)- my understand is that the p90's armor-penetration is based around multiple high-velocity rounds impacting in a tight group, (so accuracy & ROF were critical). The 5-7 by contrast has a lower muzzle-velocity & is semi-auto, so it has a much harder time penetrating even level-2 vests.
The armor-penetration of the so-called 'cop-killer' round is completely overblown, so much so that a lot of police officers in the US & Mexico mention how thankful they are that misconception exists since members of the drug-cartels buy into it.
But anyway, should we move this over to the High-cal thread?
every hit will damage the armor vest(even without penetrating), which will lower the armor rating. so the P90 with it's high ROF will easily take down well armored pawn in 2-3 burst. 5-7 on the other hand will take more time.
when we're talking about armor penetration i think it's ok to stay in this thread, the whole "armor pepetration feature" is from CR.
I installed CC, and then installed CR. CC seems to work fine but CR doesnt work.
i have these mods:
[1] Core
[2] Community Core
[3] Combat Realism
My game seems to think that it cant find the textures for ammo. ive looked at the mod files and i can see the pictures for the ammo, so im not sure what is going on.
Im on a mac running Os X 10.8.6
Quote from: Alistaire on May 04, 2016, 03:51:16 PM
1) restart your game after opening the mod activation menu,
2) if that doesn't work, EdB mod order may interfere with CR or CCL - this has been reported before.
Disabling Mod Order has fixed it, thanks!
How to unload the bullets. I have Pistol with 1 FMJ bullet and I have many AP's and HP's but no FMJ, how do I remove the FMJ?
Quote from: Mufflamingo on May 07, 2016, 01:36:01 PM
How to unload the bullets. I have Pistol with 1 FMJ bullet and I have many AP's and HP's but no FMJ, how do I remove the FMJ?
Right-click the reload gizmo with the AP/HP in the pawn inventory.
Im not entirely certain if this is still relevant, but I have noticed that in 1.6.3 packs and webgear dont get produced often (if at all) due to requiring components for manufacture, which leads to some detrimental effects in combat.
Was curious, is it possible to add weapons from other mods into this on our own? Not sure if theres a crapton more coding needed. Was lookin through the Defs to see what makes it tick.
Sidenote, where the hell are you pulling the sounds and textures from for the guns?! D8<
So far the only thing I dislike about this mod is just how absolutely incompetent mortar crews are without rangefinding. Like, I'm fine if the distance they set for the shot goes to hell without ranging, it makes sense they'd fall short, or more likely fall too far, but I've had shells come out at fifty degree angles almost right outta the barrel. Nearly landed on my own defense line. I've had binoc's in my standard light infantry loadout since that incident, which helps, but it feels like a bit too wild of a swing.
Otherwise, I'm considering sitting down and making a few toys for this mod. Especially once I get around to playing with the gun turrets. Haven't updated because my current save is still going strong.
Quote from: BlackflagNarwhal on May 07, 2016, 06:38:27 PM
Sidenote, where the hell are you pulling the sounds and textures from for the guns?! D8<
High Caliber Combat Realism is a patch, so the textures are still in the base High Caliber mod :P
I dont use High caliber, im using the plain ol Combat realism because id love to have my M41A pulse rifles have a magazine and such. And can i use JUST the defense mod without dealing with the rest of the mod?
Okay so I wanted to test out this mod and basically when my people are firing the guns, after they run out of ammo the gun literally disappears? I don't know why and I tried restarting the game, nothing.
Edit*
Okay nvm I got it they just put their guns away. By the way so I actually have to find/craft/buy ammo for every gun type even with vanilla and Rimfire weapons?
Quote from: BlackflagNarwhal on May 07, 2016, 11:13:11 PM
I dont use High caliber, im using the plain ol Combat realism because id love to have my M41A pulse rifles have a magazine and such. And can i use JUST the defense mod without dealing with the rest of the mod?
Oh, the base combat realism doesn't add any weapons, it only overwrites some of the details for the existing guns. The textures are still located in core then.
As for just using defense, I don't believe so, as Defense uses the mechanics for shooting that were made by CR Core.
I know the mod creator is busy working on the core mod but does anyone know how to fix the CR/Rimsenal incompability? currently if CR is installed no gun from rimsenal will even fire. Thought i'd reach out to the community as theres no official patch
Pistols and knifes attack extremely fast and there's that loadout items that say that something went terribly wrong
pls help
Edit:I loaded the game and the mod magicly got fixed, loadouts turned into the items they were supposed to be and the weapons got the hud and such it was supposed to have.
Just uploaded the 1.6.5 release. It mainly updates melee weapons to A13 by adding bulk, weight and armor penetration stats to melee weapons. With this the mod is fully updated to A13 and out of pre-release. It is also the last update I will do as I am leaving Rimworld modding permanently.
With the complete lack of not only any real support for modding but even base consideration for it (almost every alpha brings with it new internal changes like making various public variables private, which does not affect the base game in any way but breaks mods and makes modding harder than it needs to be) and a number of smaller annoyances like the out of touch community management (Tynan unstickying genuinely useful threads such as well-maintained mod lists while leaving redundant ones up, complete lack of communication on issues such as the whole private variabls thing, that sort of stuff) modding Rimworld has become more of a hassle than it ought to be. At this point I just no longer have the motivation to deal with it all. The only thing keeping me was the fact I wanted to bring CR into a semi-complete state before I go. I did have plans for a melee combat overhaul before I go but since the loadout system took up more time than originally anticipated I have decided to can those plans.
Since people asked for it in the past I have uploaded the ODS sheets with all the weapon stats I used for balancing to github so anyone interested in making gun mods compatible with this can look up how the stats are calculated (keep in mind though, that while the sheets include data for Project Armory guns that data hasn't been updated since the last PA release and is heavily outdated). The zip file also includes my personal todo list where I still have a number of outstanding issues and plans for the future, in case anyone else decides to pick up this project (although somehow I don't see that happening).
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on May 08, 2016, 08:45:28 AM
Just uploaded the 1.6.5 release. It mainly updates melee weapons to A13 by adding bulk, weight and armor penetration stats to melee weapons. With this the mod is fully updated to A13 and out of pre-release. It is also the last update I will do as I am leaving Rimworld modding permanently.
With the complete lack of not only any real support for modding but even base consideration for it (almost every alpha brings with it new internal changes like making various public variables private, which does not affect the base game in any way but breaks mods and makes modding harder than it needs to be) and a number of smaller annoyances like the out of touch community management (Tynan unstickying genuinely useful threads such as well-maintained mod lists while leaving redundant ones up, complete lack of communication on issues such as the whole private variabls thing, that sort of stuff) modding Rimworld has become more of a hassle than it ought to be. At this point I just no longer have the motivation to deal with it all. The only thing keeping me was the fact I wanted to bring CR into a semi-complete state before I go. I did have plans for a melee combat overhaul before I go but since the loadout system took up more time than originally anticipated I have decided to can those plans.
Since people asked for it in the past I have uploaded the ODS sheets with all the weapon stats I used for balancing to github so anyone interested in making gun mods compatible with this can look up how the stats are calculated (keep in mind though, that while the sheets include data for Project Armory guns that data hasn't been updated since the last PA release and is heavily outdated). The zip file also includes my personal todo list where I still have a number of outstanding issues and plans for the future, in case anyone else decides to pick up this project (although somehow I don't see that happening).
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Wow, really sorry to see you stopping Developing Mods NoImage :'(
You really did a great job with the CR series and made the game a lot more interesting and fun.
There's a ton of folks who love and use the Mod. They're all going to be bummed out to see you leave the Dev arena but understand if it became too much of a hassle. Are you still going to keep playing and helping out in the Forums or moving on to greener pastures?
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on May 08, 2016, 08:45:28 AM
Just uploaded the 1.6.5 release. It mainly updates melee weapons to A13 by adding bulk, weight and armor penetration stats to melee weapons. It is also the last update I will do as I am leaving Rimworld modding permanently.
Thank you for seeing this through to the end; RimWorld hasn't been and still isn't nearly as fun without your Combat Realism.
Speaking as someone who took the easy way out long ago and gave up modding RimWorld due to its codebase being so unfriendly to modders it sometimes felt intentional, I take my hat off to your perseverance, patience, and skill at delivering fun in spite of the roadblocks. If you enjoy modding, I hope you find a new project that brings you more enjoyment and keeps your hobby alive.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on May 08, 2016, 08:45:28 AM
Just uploaded the 1.6.5 release. It mainly updates melee weapons to A13 by adding bulk, weight and armor penetration stats to melee weapons. With this the mod is fully updated to A13 and out of pre-release. It is also the last update I will do as I am leaving Rimworld modding permanently.
With the complete lack of not only any real support for modding but even base consideration for it (almost every alpha brings with it new internal changes like making various public variables private, which does not affect the base game in any way but breaks mods and makes modding harder than it needs to be) and a number of smaller annoyances like the out of touch community management (Tynan unstickying genuinely useful threads such as well-maintained mod lists while leaving redundant ones up, complete lack of communication on issues such as the whole private variabls thing, that sort of stuff) modding Rimworld has become more of a hassle than it ought to be. At this point I just no longer have the motivation to deal with it all. The only thing keeping me was the fact I wanted to bring CR into a semi-complete state before I go. I did have plans for a melee combat overhaul before I go but since the loadout system took up more time than originally anticipated I have decided to can those plans.
Since people asked for it in the past I have uploaded the ODS sheets with all the weapon stats I used for balancing to github so anyone interested in making gun mods compatible with this can look up how the stats are calculated (keep in mind though, that while the sheets include data for Project Armory guns that data hasn't been updated since the last PA release and is heavily outdated). The zip file also includes my personal todo list where I still have a number of outstanding issues and plans for the future, in case anyone else decides to pick up this project (although somehow I don't see that happening).
Really sad to see this, im very new to rimworld and love this mod, sad to see you go, man.
One request, if you will, if that is there a way to modify the weight cap of traders? maybe its something to do with hospitality, but when traders visit, the one you actually trade with is always carrying way too much and ends up never reaching my base before its killed by something like starvation, because they move so slow. i doubt you'll update this again like you said, but if you can point me in the right direction to modifying it myself that would be much appreciated too
NoImage, thanks for you hard work!
I hope, that one day you will come back to RimWorld and mod something even more awesome :)
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on May 08, 2016, 08:45:28 AM
Just uploaded the 1.6.5 release. It mainly updates melee weapons to A13 by adding bulk, weight and armor penetration stats to melee weapons. With this the mod is fully updated to A13 and out of pre-release. It is also the last update I will do as I am leaving Rimworld modding permanently.
With the complete lack of not only any real support for modding but even base consideration for it (almost every alpha brings with it new internal changes like making various public variables private, which does not affect the base game in any way but breaks mods and makes modding harder than it needs to be) and a number of smaller annoyances like the out of touch community management (Tynan unstickying genuinely useful threads such as well-maintained mod lists while leaving redundant ones up, complete lack of communication on issues such as the whole private variabls thing, that sort of stuff) modding Rimworld has become more of a hassle than it ought to be. At this point I just no longer have the motivation to deal with it all. The only thing keeping me was the fact I wanted to bring CR into a semi-complete state before I go. I did have plans for a melee combat overhaul before I go but since the loadout system took up more time than originally anticipated I have decided to can those plans.
Since people asked for it in the past I have uploaded the ODS sheets with all the weapon stats I used for balancing to github so anyone interested in making gun mods compatible with this can look up how the stats are calculated (keep in mind though, that while the sheets include data for Project Armory guns that data hasn't been updated since the last PA release and is heavily outdated). The zip file also includes my personal todo list where I still have a number of outstanding issues and plans for the future, in case anyone else decides to pick up this project (although somehow I don't see that happening).
You should put this message on the first page of the thread ;D thank you for the great work!
Quote from: lordmatiz on May 08, 2016, 10:27:54 AM
Tuco, thanks for you hard work!
I hope, that one day you will come back to RimWorld and mod something even more awesome :)
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The Mod was developed by NoImage not me.
I was just thanking them for their work and was to see them cease developing more Mods.
Would it be ok if I took a stab at making a new logo thing that showed the ideas of this mod?
Quote from: Mzxs on May 08, 2016, 01:34:17 PM
Would it be ok if I took a stab at making a new logo thing that showed the ideas of this mod?
Sure
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on May 08, 2016, 01:46:54 PM
Quote from: Mzxs on May 08, 2016, 01:34:17 PM
Would it be ok if I took a stab at making a new logo thing that showed the ideas of this mod?
Sure
So this is what i have so far. Any wants/ tips for it?
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How to load Ammo to backpack?
thank you so much for your hard work! you made the game significantly better with this mod
You sir will be remembered. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Thanks for all your work man! Even if the game devs don't offer any support, the modding community and I really appreciate all you have done. Best of luck in whatever you do next.
Quote from: Soap on May 08, 2016, 03:00:22 PM
How to load Ammo to backpack?
Backpacks just add extra bulk capacity to the base inventory, they don't have a separate storage or anything as far as the system is concerned. As long as your wearing one, you can store more bulk, presumably in the bag.
And I got a whole summer ahead of me, I might stick my nose into the CR code and to-do list. Never done a DLL mod for rimworld, only XML contents, but I've got nothing better to do. Could be worth trying to get a few modders together as a sort of community continuation on it all. I'll let you guys know if I manage to get anywhere at all with that. Could be a while, since Stellaris launches tomorrow and I'll probably lose a week to that.
is updating from 1.6.4 to 1.6.5 savegame safe?
Second Pass of the new logo(only making this to help keep it alive) would like everyone's opinion.
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Thanks for this amazing mod, but i have a little problem, it is a problem with mod or i just activated mod in wrong way? (http://www.part.lt/img/c4e6268e7cdd61e3cda0ed4698b792c270.png) (http://www.part.lt/perziura/c4e6268e7cdd61e3cda0ed4698b792c270.png)
Quote from: Korn.Mil on May 08, 2016, 04:40:04 PM
Thanks for this amazing mod, but i have a little problem, it is a problem with mod or i just activated mod in wrong way? *snipped image*
That doesn't tell us much at all, other than something broke. What list of mods are you trying to use, and what order are you trying to start them in?
i got this error too.... however mine was another mod, SiD mod... it doesn't like CR.
if you are using SiD mod you can't add it along with CR.
I wnet into defs and made the KPVT 2 by 2 because I feel that's a better size for a high caliber heavy machinegun
My game seems to be a bit bugged, not receiving the UI which shows my ammo and gives me the reload button and my pawns are not reloading ammo once they empty their clip even if they have the available space... Anyone else having this problem or...?
Quote from: Western Gentleman on May 08, 2016, 10:36:13 PM
My game seems to be a bit bugged, not receiving the UI which shows my ammo and gives me the reload button and my pawns are not reloading ammo once they empty their clip even if they have the available space... Anyone else having this problem or...?
Did you restart your game after enabling the mod? That's usually the issue with UI problems.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on May 08, 2016, 08:45:28 AM
Just uploaded the 1.6.5 release. It mainly updates melee weapons to A13 by adding bulk, weight and armor penetration stats to melee weapons. With this the mod is fully updated to A13 and out of pre-release. It is also the last update I will do as I am leaving Rimworld modding permanently.
That's a real shame! Thanks for all your hard work over the course of this mod's development, though, NoImage, your mod has been integral to pretty much my entire experience with Rimworld and is in my opinion an essential mod for the best rimworld experience.
If I eventually have the time and skill to contribute to Combat Realism, I'll try knocking some of the to do list out.
It's been a pleasure, my dude, Have a good time with whatever life throws at you.
How do I get FSX? for RPG ammo and etc? I literally have no idea, checked traders, and so on?
"Shear" boomalopes and the like i think.
Quote from: Profugo Barbatus on May 08, 2016, 04:51:02 PM
Quote from: Korn.Mil on May 08, 2016, 04:40:04 PM
Thanks for this amazing mod, but i have a little problem, it is a problem with mod or i just activated mod in wrong way? *snipped image*
That doesn't tell us much at all, other than something broke. What list of mods are you trying to use, and what order are you trying to start them in?
Sorry, it seems ok now :) i just restarted a game and i tried to install mod, and its ok now
Quote from: falloute on May 09, 2016, 02:41:07 AM
How do I get FSX? for RPG ammo and etc? I literally have no idea, checked traders, and so on?
FSX can show up with the combat related traders from my direct experience, but I'm not seeing the ability to harvest it in any fashion here in the defs. Maybe I'm blind, its 6:30am here but I'm not seeing another way to acquire it. No way to "milk" boomalopes that I'm seeing, anyhow :P
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on May 08, 2016, 08:45:28 AM
Just uploaded the 1.6.5 release. It mainly updates melee weapons to A13 by adding bulk, weight and armor penetration stats to melee weapons. With this the mod is fully updated to A13 and out of pre-release. It is also the last update I will do as I am leaving Rimworld modding permanently.
Understandable! Like others have said I hope you keep playing. Enjoy the game for the game itself. Take it easy you deserve it. Personally I think it would be more efficient once the game is fully released to return to modding as there will likely be less serious changes and maybe more time for Tynan to make modding easier. Modding a game that changes month to month is a hassle. Even if you never return to modding Rimworld that's fine but we will miss your mods. lol Good Luck and take care!
Quote from: Profugo Barbatus on May 09, 2016, 08:29:39 AM
Quote from: falloute on May 09, 2016, 02:41:07 AM
How do I get FSX? for RPG ammo and etc? I literally have no idea, checked traders, and so on?
FSX can show up with the combat related traders from my direct experience, but I'm not seeing the ability to harvest it in any fashion here in the defs. Maybe I'm blind, its 6:30am here but I'm not seeing another way to acquire it. No way to "milk" boomalopes that I'm seeing, anyhow :P
They have to be tamed boomalopes
Quote from: Profugo Barbatus on May 09, 2016, 08:29:39 AM
Quote from: falloute on May 09, 2016, 02:41:07 AM
How do I get FSX? for RPG ammo and etc? I literally have no idea, checked traders, and so on?
FSX can show up with the combat related traders from my direct experience, but I'm not seeing the ability to harvest it in any fashion here in the defs. Maybe I'm blind, its 6:30am here but I'm not seeing another way to acquire it. No way to "milk" boomalopes that I'm seeing, anyhow :P
Grow flamebulb? Just keep it in a cooled room or it explodes. Probably need a solar flare shield. To milk you will need to tame but I haven't milked them myself so idunno.
Thanks for all your hard work NoImage, I really appriciate all you have done with the mod.
I Wish you well in your future projects.
Sincerly a big fan of CR
Hi, I was playing for some hour or two and tried to load a game, every autosave is giving me same error, this is from log
Could not execute post-long-event action. Exception: System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
at Verse.VerbTracker.get_PrimaryVerb () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
at Verse.CompEquippable.get_PrimaryVerb () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
at Combat_Realism.CompFireModes.get_verb () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
at Combat_Realism.CompFireModes.InitAvailableFireModes () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
at Verse.LongEventHandler.ExecuteToExecuteWhenFinished () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/StandalonePlayerGenerated/UnityEngineDebug.cpp Line: 56)
Same thing as Geroj happened to me right now :/
Quote from: Geroj on May 09, 2016, 11:00:58 AM
Hi, I was playing for some hour or two and tried to load a game, every autosave is giving me same error, this is from log
Could not execute post-long-event action. Exception: System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
at Verse.VerbTracker.get_PrimaryVerb () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
at Verse.CompEquippable.get_PrimaryVerb () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
at Combat_Realism.CompFireModes.get_verb () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
at Combat_Realism.CompFireModes.InitAvailableFireModes () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
at Verse.LongEventHandler.ExecuteToExecuteWhenFinished () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/StandalonePlayerGenerated/UnityEngineDebug.cpp Line: 56)
This has happened to me as well. I thought I'd try disabling all other mods but it would still happen after fresh deletes/reinstalls of the same. I feel like loadouts had something to do with it
Thanks for the time you spent making something amazing. You're a great human being.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on May 08, 2016, 08:45:28 AM
Just uploaded the 1.6.5 release. It mainly updates melee weapons to A13 by adding bulk, weight and armor penetration stats to melee weapons. With this the mod is fully updated to A13 and out of pre-release. It is also the last update I will do as I am leaving Rimworld modding permanently.
With the complete lack of not only any real support for modding but even base consideration for it (almost every alpha brings with it new internal changes like making various public variables private, which does not affect the base game in any way but breaks mods and makes modding harder than it needs to be) and a number of smaller annoyances like the out of touch community management (Tynan unstickying genuinely useful threads such as well-maintained mod lists while leaving redundant ones up, complete lack of communication on issues such as the whole private variabls thing, that sort of stuff) modding Rimworld has become more of a hassle than it ought to be. At this point I just no longer have the motivation to deal with it all. The only thing keeping me was the fact I wanted to bring CR into a semi-complete state before I go. I did have plans for a melee combat overhaul before I go but since the loadout system took up more time than originally anticipated I have decided to can those plans.
Since people asked for it in the past I have uploaded the ODS sheets with all the weapon stats I used for balancing to github so anyone interested in making gun mods compatible with this can look up how the stats are calculated (keep in mind though, that while the sheets include data for Project Armory guns that data hasn't been updated since the last PA release and is heavily outdated). The zip file also includes my personal todo list where I still have a number of outstanding issues and plans for the future, in case anyone else decides to pick up this project (although somehow I don't see that happening).
Much appreciated on the mod, and also the explanation. Too many people leave communities, and nobody knows how/why/etc. At least this provides Tynan the opportunity to understand actions that are negatively affecting the community, and ultimately his own future.
Personally, I'm not sure if I'll play subsequent releases without combat realism, and it seems unlikely it'll go on without you. As far as I'm concerned, this mod represents what should be integral game-play, and I hope there's some method for him to integrate it to the base game in future releases (as opposed to the mod withering due to compatibility issues as new releases come out).
Your work is nothing short of solid, I hope to cross your path again sometime/somewhere! :)
Quote from: porcupine on May 09, 2016, 11:31:26 PM
Much appreciated on the mod, and also the explanation. Too many people leave communities, and nobody knows how/why/etc. At least this provides Tynan the opportunity to understand actions that are negatively affecting the community, and ultimately his own future.
Personally, I'm not sure if I'll play subsequent releases without combat realism, and it seems unlikely it'll go on without you. As far as I'm concerned, this mod represents what should be integral game-play, and I hope there's some method for him to integrate it to the base game in future releases (as opposed to the mod withering due to compatibility issues as new releases come out).
Your work is nothing short of solid, I hope to cross your path again sometime/somewhere! :)
I agree wholeheartedly - this mod added many dozens of hours of extra fun, and I'll have great difficulty playing without it in the future. Assuming I keep playing at all in vanilla...
Many thanks again NIA! Amazing mod.
Quote from: akiceabear on May 10, 2016, 01:56:21 AM
Quote from: porcupine on May 09, 2016, 11:31:26 PM
Much appreciated on the mod, and also the explanation. Too many people leave communities, and nobody knows how/why/etc. At least this provides Tynan the opportunity to understand actions that are negatively affecting the community, and ultimately his own future.
Personally, I'm not sure if I'll play subsequent releases without combat realism, and it seems unlikely it'll go on without you. As far as I'm concerned, this mod represents what should be integral game-play, and I hope there's some method for him to integrate it to the base game in future releases (as opposed to the mod withering due to compatibility issues as new releases come out).
Your work is nothing short of solid, I hope to cross your path again sometime/somewhere! :)
I agree wholeheartedly - this mod added many dozens of hours of extra fun, and I'll have great difficulty playing without it in the future. Assuming I keep playing at all in vanilla...
Many thanks again NIA! Amazing mod.
I can only agree with everyone, great mod, its shame you are leaving NoImageAvailable :'(
This is something that need to find way into main game and change that crappy RNG system, together with some better colonist inventory UI
I keep getting the dummy loadout packs. Anyway to fix this?
Will anyone be able to fix/stabilize the bugs in this mod such as caravans spawning in over-encumbered?
As much as I've always loved this mod.. In fact I consider it essential to the experience. This is too buggy in its current state.
I really hope someone else picks this up and runs with it.
Tynan should have hired this person long ago.
Tried giving all my colonists short bows to save guns for when I need them, but bows seem to be completely disregarded as weapons. I assume I need arrows, which I can and did make. But I'm also assuming I'm gonna need some quivers, but I can't find out how to make them what so ever. Any help?
You don't need quivers for arrows, just like how you don't need magazines for the bullets.
To use a bow, just make sure the has pawn some arrows in there inventory, and make sure it's the correct type of arrows.
A short bow uses just arrows, a great bow uses great arrows. A shortbow cannot fire a great arrow, and great bows can't fire 'normal' arrows.
Finally, unless drafted, pawns will actively drop items in their inventory if it is not a part of their loadout. So for your pawns to actually carry around arrows to use, you have to give them a loadout with arrows.
Quote from: AllenWL on May 11, 2016, 02:58:49 AM
You don't need quivers for arrows, just like how you don't need magazines for the bullets.
To use a bow, just make sure the has pawn some arrows in there inventory, and make sure it's the correct type of arrows.
A short bow uses just arrows, a great bow uses great arrows. A shortbow cannot fire a great arrow, and great bows can't fire 'normal' arrows.
Finally, unless drafted, pawns will actively drop items in their inventory if it is not a part of their loadout. So for your pawns to actually carry around arrows to use, you have to give them a loadout with arrows.
Honestly haven't even known about Loadouts until you brought it up. But tried editing files, fixed it (by setting a magazine of 1 and a reload equal to warmup), saw your post, deleted edits, reverted to old save, and before I even touched Loadouts it's working. So... I'm happy and confused, but mostly happy. Lmao
Oh, possibly, you didn't restart the game after loading the mods.
Not restarting the game after you load new mods/change your mod order has been known to make the game go all funny.
I think this has already been reported?
But when visitors show up, they tend to drop any gear they are carrying in excess of their max encumbrance. Usually the first visitor to show up gives me a good weapon of some sort and some other random low-tier junk by dropping it as soon as they enter the map, which is, uh, helpful? But also a bug.
Also, when trading with NPCs (this is more common with the hospitality mod because more people are willing to trade) it is possible to trade more stuff than the NPC can carry, which forces them to drop some/all of what you gave them, resulting in basically cheap (or sometimes free) stuff.
I know development on this mod is ceased, but I am really hoping someone will take up the mantle of managing it. I love this mod, I am really reluctant to play without it, but there are obviously still some issues. Not to mention that A14 is probably going to break it again. =(
How do I reload the charge rifles? My colonists died because of empty charge rifles.
thank you for the hard work you put into this amazing mod.
one can only hope things improve via the vanilla implementation of mod friendlyness and you somehow return to continue.
So as NIA has left Rimworld modding and the modders slack ( :( ) I guess now is the time to state that ill be taking over maintenance of this mod with his blessing, for now, simply because I have a silly amount of mods and a rather large lack of any free time, this will be restricted to alpha updates (and maybe the odd bugfix) only. I wont be adding new features for now.
If anyone out there thinks theyve got the skills to pay the bills and understands where CR should head and wants to take over from me then i would welcome a chat.
CR will live on. Dont worry.
Quote from: skullywag on May 12, 2016, 07:40:11 AM
So as NIA has left Rimworld modding and the modders slack ( :( ) I guess now is the time to state that ill be taking over maintenance of this mod with his blessing, for now, simply because I have a silly amount of mods and a rather large lack of any free time, this will be restricted to alpha updates (and maybe the odd bugfix) only. I wont be adding new features for now.
If anyone out there thinks theyve got the skills to pay the bills and understands where CR should head and wants to take over from me then i would welcome a chat.
CR will live on. Dont worry.
Thanks, you give me hope :)
Quote from: skullywag on May 12, 2016, 07:40:11 AM
So as NIA has left Rimworld modding and the modders slack ( :( ) I guess now is the time to state that ill be taking over maintenance of this mod with his blessing, for now, simply because I have a silly amount of mods and a rather large lack of any free time, this will be restricted to alpha updates (and maybe the odd bugfix) only. I wont be adding new features for now.
If anyone out there thinks theyve got the skills to pay the bills and understands where CR should head and wants to take over from me then i would welcome a chat.
CR will live on. Dont worry.
Awesome!
Quote from: skullywag on May 12, 2016, 07:40:11 AM
So as NIA has left Rimworld modding and the modders slack ( :( ) I guess now is the time to state that ill be taking over maintenance of this mod with his blessing, for now, simply because I have a silly amount of mods and a rather large lack of any free time, this will be restricted to alpha updates (and maybe the odd bugfix) only. I wont be adding new features for now.
If anyone out there thinks theyve got the skills to pay the bills and understands where CR should head and wants to take over from me then i would welcome a chat.
CR will live on. Dont worry.
Thanks, that's a relief!
Thank god, melee overhaul might happen!
Thanks Skully, very happy to hear that :D
Nevermid. I'm an idiot.
What an odd time to try the mod, when its most complete and when the mod author is leaving his mod. Well, here goes.
Well, I've been playing around with embrasures and seeing what's going on and why enemies won't fire through them. It appears as though the deciding factor is or not a raider sees ANYONE outside. If everyone is inside, ie if there's a door between the raider and the target, they won't fire, but the moment the raiders can detect anyone outdoors, they will start firing through embrasures. This is really strange, but i'm going to see if I can find a way around any of this.
https://github.com/Krutchen/CombatRealism/releases/tag/v1.6.51
Quick little patch to 1.6.5, Adds in the much needed ability for raiders to fight back against colonists using embrasures and anything else of the sort. Before, they couldn't shoot back because they could not path to the target location, doors would make your embrasures essentially solid walls to them that you could just pew pew out of. Not any more.
I pretty much just had to make a small detour using the ccl to change how AttackTargetFinder was operating.
Quote from: Krutchen on May 13, 2016, 07:53:58 AM
https://github.com/Krutchen/CombatRealism/releases/tag/v1.6.51
Quick little patch to 1.6.5, Adds in the much needed ability for raiders to fight back against colonists using embrasures and anything else of the sort. Before, they couldn't shoot back because they could not path to the target location, doors would make your embrasures essentially solid walls to them that you could just pew pew out of. Not any more.
I pretty much just had to make a small detour using the ccl to change how AttackTargetFinder was operating.
Great! I was looking forward for this change.
Thanks for your effort. I will test this later today.
well you beat me by a few hours, if id known someone else was on this i wouldnt have bothered....ah well. You should PR that commit back to the main CR repo.
Quote from: Krutchen on May 13, 2016, 07:53:58 AM
https://github.com/Krutchen/CombatRealism/releases/tag/v1.6.51
Quick little patch to 1.6.5, Adds in the much needed ability for raiders to fight back against colonists using embrasures and anything else of the sort. Before, they couldn't shoot back because they could not path to the target location, doors would make your embrasures essentially solid walls to them that you could just pew pew out of. Not any more.
I pretty much just had to make a small detour using the ccl to change how AttackTargetFinder was operating.
This may make my turret people in my doom fortress more vulnerable to snipers
Quote from: skullywag on May 13, 2016, 08:39:22 AM
well you beat me by a few hours, if id known someone else was on this i wouldnt have bothered....ah well. You should PR that commit back to the main CR repo.
Shouldn't it be better if we test the change before he commit it?
Maybe create another branch called "experimental" or whatever.
well damn. tried the mod loved it, especially the hold your fire button, then mechanoids came. one centipeed murdered me completely.
Quote from: lucadena on May 13, 2016, 09:59:03 AM
Quote from: skullywag on May 13, 2016, 08:39:22 AM
well you beat me by a few hours, if id known someone else was on this i wouldnt have bothered....ah well. You should PR that commit back to the main CR repo.
Shouldn't it be better if we test the change before he commit it?
Maybe create another branch called "experimental" or whatever.
Well i wouldnt merge it until id tested the commit and confirmed the code was up to scratch (thats what a apull request is for) but sure let me know if it fixes the issue and doesnt break anything.
Quote from: Krutchen on May 13, 2016, 07:53:58 AM
https://github.com/Krutchen/CombatRealism/releases/tag/v1.6.51
Quick little patch to 1.6.5, Adds in the much needed ability for raiders to fight back against colonists using embrasures and anything else of the sort. Before, they couldn't shoot back because they could not path to the target location, doors would make your embrasures essentially solid walls to them that you could just pew pew out of. Not any more.
I pretty much just had to make a small detour using the ccl to change how AttackTargetFinder was operating.
If I were to update my current CR version to this, would it conflict with existing saves?
Quote from: Killaim on May 13, 2016, 12:20:42 PM
well damn. tried the mod loved it, especially the hold your fire button, then mechanoids came. one centipeed murdered me completely.
They are a huge hassle. Especially since it's possible for them to show up well before you've acquired launchers/explosives. I've been attacked by one where the only weapon I had that could deal with it was a mortar. That was awful.
You can damage the sensors with gunfire, at least, and it will run out of ammo (eventually) so if you manage it you can at least reduce it to an ineffectual slug-monster that will only attack if you get close enough for it to melee. Even if you can't kill it.
Quote from: Hyena on May 13, 2016, 02:29:37 PM
Quote from: Killaim on May 13, 2016, 12:20:42 PM
well damn. tried the mod loved it, especially the hold your fire button, then mechanoids came. one centipeed murdered me completely.
They are a huge hassle. Especially since it's possible for them to show up well before you've acquired launchers/explosives. I've been attacked by one where the only weapon I had that could deal with it was a mortar. That was awful.
You can damage the sensors with gunfire, at least, and it will run out of ammo (eventually) so if you manage it you can at least reduce it to an ineffectual slug-monster that will only attack if you get close enough for it to melee. Even if you can't kill it.
yeah i never got that far. i also just realised that all the scythes that also spawned were not even killed by me but by the weapon fire of the centipeed.
damn random randy . was a tad early in the game and best weapon i had was 1 assault rifle
So, for my next magic trick, I think i'm gonna try making added body parts be able to affects stats a bit more than just % of pawn capabilities.
Why should an armoured bionic leg not have more health than a regular leg?
Why should it not let you carry more stuff with CR?
Can the Combat Realism Defence work on its own, without the normal Combat Realism, or do I need both? Because I'd love to have the walls you can shoot through and those turrets, but not the balancing and stuff.
EDIT: Nvm, I just didn't read the description well enough ;-;
EDIT 2: Removed post.
Corrupted save caused the problem. Game does not like to install/uninstall mods on existing saves :P
Not compatible with ED-ClosableVent (https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=18995.msg207268#msg207268), just in case it saves someone some mod-elimination "game" time.
Quote from: ShadoiwsofLight on May 14, 2016, 12:52:37 PM
Not compatible with ED-ClosableVent (https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=18995.msg207268#msg207268), just in case it saves someone some mod-elimination "game" time.
These work fine together for me. Perhaps you were not restarting the game after closing the mod menu, finally did after pulling the vents mod, and thought removing the mod helped?
How to reload?
Quote from: kimesikRUS on May 16, 2016, 07:08:17 AM
How to reload?
when a pawn has a weapon equipped you should see a button named "Reload". If you dont see it something went wrong or you didn't install the mod correctly
If you see the button, there should be no problem and as long as the pawn has extra ammo in his inventory he should reload automatically when he reaches 0 ammo.
Another issue could be the weapon being loaded with one ammo type and carrying another type of ammo, I think you need to change it by right-clicking the reload button and selecting the right ammo type.
Can I ask if you have issues with the CR mod and wish to log issues on github can you use my repos issue tracking:
https://github.com/Skullywag/CombatRealism/issues
and not NoImageAvailables repo as this isnt being looked at by anyone, thankyou!
A quick question(s). Does an embrasure allow to shoot freely from a manned turret, if there is an empty space between them? Does the embrasure give cover in such case?
Quote from: Nimander on May 16, 2016, 12:24:06 PM
A quick question(s). Does an embrasure allow to shoot freely from a manned turret, if there is an empty space between them? Does the embrasure give cover in such case?
Yes it does
The turret just needs to be behind the embrasures to be protected by it. You can create a closed bunker with a turret inside and it'll work
damn think i got a mod conflict.
enemy dropped in with siege equipment.
killed them but now in their siege camp are unlootable/usable mortars (that have the charge rifle) as a picture.
very quirky.
Quote from: Killaim on May 16, 2016, 09:23:32 PM
damn think i got a mod conflict.
enemy dropped in with siege equipment.
killed them but now in their siege camp are unlootable/usable mortars (that have the charge rifle) as a picture.
very quirky.
My last game (only one on CR), all of the mortars dropped with tons of non-existent charge rifles as well. I wrote it off as a graphics glitch, the attackers still assembled mortars, and behaved normally, I just had garbage on the ground I could never clean.
Quote from: Killaim on May 16, 2016, 09:23:32 PM
damn think i got a mod conflict.
enemy dropped in with siege equipment.
killed them but now in their siege camp are unlootable/usable mortars (that have the charge rifle) as a picture.
very quirky.
yeah I've got the same problem, and the defensive turrets are like that as well for me :(
Quote from: Shirimoto on May 17, 2016, 12:49:43 AM
Quote from: Killaim on May 16, 2016, 09:23:32 PM
damn think i got a mod conflict.
enemy dropped in with siege equipment.
killed them but now in their siege camp are unlootable/usable mortars (that have the charge rifle) as a picture.
very quirky.
yeah I've got the same problem, and the defensive turrets are like that as well for me :(
Quote from: porcupine on May 17, 2016, 12:48:04 AM
My last game (only one on CR), all of the mortars dropped with tons of non-existent charge rifles as well. I wrote it off as a graphics glitch, the attackers still assembled mortars, and behaved normally, I just had garbage on the ground I could never clean.
ah ok so its not just me.
I can understand how this is happening, but not why, how:
https://github.com/Skullywag/CombatRealism/blob/master/Defs/ThingDefs/Weapons_Artillery.xml
all mortar "guns" have the charge rifle as the texture (as they are fake guns that arent equippable, core does this also) you need to have a texture defined or it breaks, the mortar itself gets the texture for its gun from building def not the gun def (always confused me, why Tynan?) anyways, so thats where the graphic is coming from but why you are seeing it I dont know, i will look into it. I know NIA mentioned this bug in the modders slack before he left so he was aware of it, dont know if he fixed it. Ill see if i can find that conversation.
Can someone put down a full explanation of what you see happening, im confused if there are charge rifles dropping as items, or the building mortars themselves are unremovable, full explanation with detail would be very helpful.
Quote from: skullywag on May 17, 2016, 07:04:01 AM
I can understand how this is happening, but not why, how:
https://github.com/Skullywag/CombatRealism/blob/master/Defs/ThingDefs/Weapons_Artillery.xml
all mortar "guns" have the charge rifle as the texture (as they are fake guns that arent equippable, core does this also) you need to have a texture defined or it breaks, the mortar itself gets the texture for its gun from building def not the gun def (always confused me, why Tynan?) anyways, so thats where the graphic is coming from but why you are seeing it I dont know, i will look into it. I know NIA mentioned this bug in the modders slack before he left so he was aware of it, dont know if he fixed it. Ill see if i can find that conversation.
Can someone put down a full explanation of what you see happening, im confused if there are charge rifles dropping as items, or the building mortars themselves are unremovable, full explanation with detail would be very helpful.
The items dropped are loads of charge rifles, at least in texture, that cannot be interacted with other than forcing colonists to equip them. Once equipped they can be used as mortars, but if you unequip them they will be stuck in their inventory. You cannot right click it at all, and they can not be forbidden/unforbidden or removed with the dev tool.
Help! When I load my save, Combat Realism wont work! CCL right after Core, CCL Vanilla Tweaks after CCL, CR after CCL, CR Defense after CR...
Quote from: kimesikRUS on May 17, 2016, 08:49:13 AM
Help! When I load my save, Combat Realism wont work! CCL right after Core, CCL Vanilla Tweaks after CCL, CR after CCL, CR Defense after CR...
go to AppData/LocalLow/Ludeon Studios/Rimworld/Config/ModsConfig.xml and post your full load order
also, if you even just open the Mods window on the main menu you MUST reload the game, it seems that window changes the load order when its openned, so when you start a game you should go straight to the load save menu
Quick question, I've noticed traders are a bit bugged in my current game, meaning the "Group is visiting, have a few items to trade"-traders not the caravans.
Selling them items works, but if they have no inventory space they will pay for what you sell them but leave anything they can't carry behind.
Is this a problem with CR? Maybe a conflict between it and Hospitality?
Quote from: deathstar on May 17, 2016, 07:23:42 PM
Quick question, I've noticed traders are a bit bugged in my current game, meaning the "Group is visiting, have a few items to trade"-traders not the caravans.
Selling them items works, but if they have no inventory space they will pay for what you sell them but leave anything they can't carry behind.
Is this a problem with CR? Maybe a conflict between it and Hospitality?
Well that is odd...
Quote from: deathstar on May 17, 2016, 07:23:42 PM
Quick question, I've noticed traders are a bit bugged in my current game, meaning the "Group is visiting, have a few items to trade"-traders not the caravans.
Selling them items works, but if they have no inventory space they will pay for what you sell them but leave anything they can't carry behind.
Is this a problem with CR? Maybe a conflict between it and Hospitality?
It's caused by the weight & bulk system in CR. Traders without pack animals will drop excess inventory. (Caravans don't have the issue due to pack muffalos having unlimited carry capacity)
Small traders were disabled in CR to avoid the issue, but any mods that add them in will face the issue.
Quote from: Kaizyn on May 18, 2016, 12:23:16 AM
Quote from: deathstar on May 17, 2016, 07:23:42 PM
Quick question, I've noticed traders are a bit bugged in my current game, meaning the "Group is visiting, have a few items to trade"-traders not the caravans.
Selling them items works, but if they have no inventory space they will pay for what you sell them but leave anything they can't carry behind.
Is this a problem with CR? Maybe a conflict between it and Hospitality?
It's caused by the weight & bulk system in CR. Traders without pack animals will drop excess inventory. (Caravans don't have the issue due to pack muffalos having unlimited carry capacity)
Small traders were disabled in CR to avoid the issue, but any mods that add them in will face the issue.
They were disabled? I still see sometimes a group of 3-4 people coming to my colony to trade without any muffalos
Sounds like when a weight/bulk check is done, a colony check should be done also. If anybody knows where this happens in the source, I could probably sort it out. I don't really have time to dig around the source right now though.
Quote from: joaonunes on May 17, 2016, 09:27:57 AM
Quote from: kimesikRUS on May 17, 2016, 08:49:13 AM
Help! When I load my save, Combat Realism wont work! CCL right after Core, CCL Vanilla Tweaks after CCL, CR after CCL, CR Defense after CR...
go to AppData/LocalLow/Ludeon Studios/Rimworld/Config/ModsConfig.xml and post your full load order
also, if you even just open the Mods window on the main menu you MUST reload the game, it seems that window changes the load order when its openned, so when you start a game you should go straight to the load save menu
https://gyazo.com/aa8b8d0b0f86f7c549eb5e83553cc1ee
Yeah I have small traders appearing, my guess is Hospitality (?).
Quote from: lost_RD on May 18, 2016, 02:58:13 AM
Sounds like when a weight/bulk check is done, a colony check should be done also. If anybody knows where this happens in the source, I could probably sort it out. I don't really have time to dig around the source right now though.
This sounds good, the attribute is already in game, right?
Quote from: deathstar on May 18, 2016, 06:37:11 AM
This sounds good, the attribute is already in game, right?
Yep, should be easy - unless it isn't, which i also possible
Only one thing I miss and thats ability to pick up one mag at the time, like 50 or 100 bullets only and not whole 500 round box
Also ammo should be lot more expensive and lot more time consuming to produce with something explosive like gun powder instead of "steel" only
Quote from: Geroj on May 18, 2016, 11:53:48 AM
Only one thing I miss and thats ability to pick up one mag at the time, like 50 or 100 bullets only and not whole 500 round box
Also ammo should be lot more expensive and lot more time consuming to produce with something explosive like gun powder instead of "steel" only
Use the CR Assign menu and build loadouts, for example a person with a SCAR-H would carry an additional 120 bullets, and he'll go to where the ammo is being stored to get those 120 bullets
Quote from: kimesikRUS on May 18, 2016, 05:47:35 AM
https://gyazo.com/aa8b8d0b0f86f7c549eb5e83553cc1ee
Looks good... Are you opening the Mods menu before loading the save? If you do your load order will be broken.
Did anyone notice that your colonists get suppressed by the weapon fire of your other colonists, or am I missing something? Is this intended?
Quote from: crusader2010 on May 19, 2016, 05:23:19 AM
Did anyone notice that your colonists get suppressed by the weapon fire of your other colonists, or am I missing something? Is this intended?
Either that or they get friendly fire xD
Quote from: crusader2010 on May 19, 2016, 05:23:19 AM
Did anyone notice that your colonists get suppressed by the weapon fire of your other colonists, or am I missing something? Is this intended?
People are suppresed because they are afraid of too much bullets flying in dangerous proximity, not just because they don't like shooter. If your friend shoot a wild volley from machine gun in your direction I bet you will be a bit suppressed no matter how much you like him.
Yea, but at least i know my buddy doesn't want to kill me and wants to kill an enemy. I'd get the courage to keep on firing and trust him ;D
Don't xD He'll get shot in the back if he has terrible aim. Even if he has great aim if the other colonist is right in the middle of the line of fire he'll get shot. I've lost too many good soldiers because of the dumb guys using machine guns...
That's why the dumb sheep need to be on the front line and the smart snipers in the back :D
The guy on the back was my best shooter ;_; that's why he had the best weapon in the inventory. The rest were using pistols/shotguns...
I need a nuclear artillery emplacement
Quote from: crusader2010 on May 19, 2016, 07:31:30 AM
Yea, but at least i know my buddy doesn't want to kill me and wants to kill an enemy. I'd get the courage to keep on firing and trust him ;D
If I'm in my buddy's line of fire, no matter how much I trust him, I'll still jump out of the way.
Especially if he's using a machinegun.
Trust does not change bullet trajectory.
I tried this, but I keep getting told that the file is corrupt or there are conflicting mods, even if the file is new and this is the only mod on (side from core)
I'm using a Mac, is this a pc only mod?
Quote from: Nitro1248 on May 20, 2016, 07:07:50 AM
I tried this, but I keep getting told that the file is corrupt or there are conflicting mods, even if the file is new and this is the only mod on (side from core)
I'm using a Mac, is this a pc only mod?
Its the only mod you've enabled aside from core? While there's your problem. As the main post says, you need to have the Community Core Library installed. When using just CR, your load order should be Core>CCL>CR
If someone could use their knowledge and make an atomic Annie I'd be eternally greatful
I looked into fixing the issue that visiting trader pawns drop items once they reach their bulk threshold i.e. as soon as they enter the map or whenever you trade them items. I found the code, it's in CompTick in CompInventory.cs.
I haven't dealt with comps or compticks yet so I don't know exactly how to solve this problem but I'm looking into it.
While I'm at it, are there any other big issues with the current release?
Quote from: lost_RD on May 21, 2016, 01:31:08 AM
I looked into fixing the issue that visiting trader pawns drop items once they reach their bulk threshold i.e. as soon as they enter the map or whenever you trade them items. I found the code, it's in CompTick in CompInventory.cs.
I haven't dealt with comps or compticks yet so I don't know exactly how to solve this problem but I'm looking into it.
While I'm at it, are there any other big issues with the current release?
Quote from: Killaim on May 17, 2016, 06:13:39 AM
Quote from: Shirimoto on May 17, 2016, 12:49:43 AM
Quote from: Killaim on May 16, 2016, 09:23:32 PM
damn think i got a mod conflict.
enemy dropped in with siege equipment.
killed them but now in their siege camp are unlootable/usable mortars (that have the charge rifle) as a picture.
very quirky.
yeah I've got the same problem, and the defensive turrets are like that as well for me :(
Quote from: porcupine on May 17, 2016, 12:48:04 AM
My last game (only one on CR), all of the mortars dropped with tons of non-existent charge rifles as well. I wrote it off as a graphics glitch, the attackers still assembled mortars, and behaved normally, I just had garbage on the ground I could never clean.
ah ok so its not just me.
This here is a issue. when a siege raid happens weird glitchy 81 mm mortars will be located within the siege area (but will just be graphics of charge rifles on the ground) (that cannot be interacted with)
they can be deleted by dev mode (destroy)
Quote from: Killaim on May 21, 2016, 01:59:14 AM
This here is a issue. when a siege raid happens weird glitchy 81 mm mortars will be located within the siege area (but will just be graphics of charge rifles on the ground) (that cannot be interacted with)
they can be deleted by dev mode (destroy)
Ahh yes, I did experience that one myself. I'll add it to the list.
Quote from: lost_RD on May 21, 2016, 01:31:08 AM
I looked into fixing the issue that visiting trader pawns drop items once they reach their bulk threshold i.e. as soon as they enter the map or whenever you trade them items. I found the code, it's in CompTick in CompInventory.cs.
I haven't dealt with comps or compticks yet so I don't know exactly how to solve this problem but I'm looking into it.
While I'm at it, are there any other big issues with the current release?
Just a thought, but I think you might be able to solve this if you can make all traded items go directly to the pack muffalo-thing, and giving the pack-muffalo thing a really really huge bulk/weight capacity.
Would that be possible?
Quote from: AllenWL on May 21, 2016, 05:48:07 AM
Quote from: lost_RD on May 21, 2016, 01:31:08 AM
I looked into fixing the issue that visiting trader pawns drop items once they reach their bulk threshold i.e. as soon as they enter the map or whenever you trade them items. I found the code, it's in CompTick in CompInventory.cs.
I haven't dealt with comps or compticks yet so I don't know exactly how to solve this problem but I'm looking into it.
While I'm at it, are there any other big issues with the current release?
Just a thought, but I think you might be able to solve this if you can make all traded items go directly to the pack muffalo-thing, and giving the pack-muffalo thing a really really huge bulk/weight capacity.
Would that be possible?
Yes, but not every trader has a pack muffalo. The easy solution is what I'm going to settle for here, just fix the glaring issues.
Speaking of which, my fork can be found here (https://github.com/lost-RD/CombatRealism-RD) and the current build needs some playtesting. Let me know if my fix works for you.
Edit: definitely not fixed, I'll make a release when it is and post here
Alright! I'm calling this 1.6.5.1
QuoteFixed NPCs dropping items when above their bulk capacity
https://github.com/lost-RD/CombatRealism-RD/releases/tag/1.6.5.1
My playtesting showed NPCs no longer dropping items. I'm not sure how to go about solving the charge rifle 81mm mortar issue, is there a reliable way to spawn sieges in dev mode?
I think I may just be thick, but how do I craft ammo?
I have a Machining table, but I can't craft weapon ammo there.
You need to build a Loading Table which unlocks with the Machining research
Quote from: huecester on May 22, 2016, 08:21:22 AM
You need to build a Loading Table which unlocks with the Machining research
Well, as I said, I was stupid. Thanks.
Now I have to figure out how to make my pawns reloading. The refuse to do it automatically and I have no right-click option.
CR is loaded directly after CCL.
Quote from: RedPhoenix on May 22, 2016, 05:34:19 PM
Quote from: huecester on May 22, 2016, 08:21:22 AM
You need to build a Loading Table which unlocks with the Machining research
Well, as I said, I was stupid. Thanks.
Now I have to figure out how to make my pawns reloading. The refuse to do it automatically and I have no right-click option.
CR is loaded directly after CCL.
- Does the pawn have ammo on his/her inventory?
- Is it the correct ammo type? (7.62 NATO vs 7.62 SOVIET)
Quote from: joaonunes on May 22, 2016, 05:42:35 PM
- Does the pawn have ammo on his/her inventory?
- Is it the correct ammo type? (7.62 NATO vs 7.62 SOVIET)
It's the correct ammo, yes, but no pawns have any ammo in their inventory. And there is, as I previously said, no way to make them pick up some ammo.
Right click on ammo does not work? Using the CR loadout does not work either? They wont pick up ammo if they cant carry it due to bulk and/or weight, try equipping a backpack or a tactical vest first
Quote from: RedPhoenix on May 23, 2016, 01:14:09 AM
It's the correct ammo, yes, but no pawns have any ammo in their inventory. And there is, as I previously said, no way to make them pick up some ammo.
Pawns will pick up ammo if ordered to(click pawn, click ammo), or if the ammo is a part of their loadout.
Pawns will actively drop any and all items that are not part of their loadout unless drafted.
If you're clicking on the pawn, then the ammo, but not getting the 'pick up' option, something is wrong with your game.
If you get the option, but the pawn goes there, stands still for a moment, and walks off without ammo, most likely the pawn's loadout doesn't have the ammo, causing them to drop the ammo the moment they pick it up.
Quote from: AllenWL on May 23, 2016, 05:08:48 AM
If you're clicking on the pawn, then the ammo, but not getting the 'pick up' option, something is wrong with your game.
Yep, nothing happens.
This is the mod load order:
https://abload.de/img/2016-05-2316_25_53-ria7ujv.jpg
Quote from: RedPhoenix on May 23, 2016, 10:26:57 AM
Quote from: AllenWL on May 23, 2016, 05:08:48 AM
If you're clicking on the pawn, then the ammo, but not getting the 'pick up' option, something is wrong with your game.
Yep, nothing happens.
This is the mod load order:
https://abload.de/img/2016-05-2316_25_53-ria7ujv.jpg
Could you post the mod order present in the file "AppData/LocalLow/Ludeon Studios/RimWorld/Config/ModsConfig.xml"? the picture doesnt show the full mod order...
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
<ModsConfigData>
<buildNumber>1135</buildNumber>
<activeMods>
<li>Core</li>
<li>Community Core Library</li>
<li>Community Core Library - Vanilla Tweaks</li>
<li>CombatRealism</li>
<li>CombatRealism Defence</li>
<li>RW_EnhancedTabs-0.13.0.1</li>
<li>Darkness Revamp</li>
<li>Clutter Misc</li>
<li>CaveworldFlora</li>
<li>FishIndustry</li>
<li>Rimworld Westernization Project</li>
<li>RTFTJ</li>
<li>RWAutoSell</li>
<li>LT_RedistHeat</li>
<li>Hospitality</li>
<li>HydroponicRoom</li>
<li>Nightlings</li>
<li>Trait Pack</li>
<li>ExtendedWoodworking</li>
<li>TilledSoil</li>
<li>EdBModOrder</li>
</activeMods>
</ModsConfigData>
Quote from: RedPhoenix on May 23, 2016, 12:43:54 PM
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
<ModsConfigData>
<buildNumber>1135</buildNumber>
<activeMods>
<li>Core</li>
<li>Community Core Library</li>
<li>Community Core Library - Vanilla Tweaks</li>
<li>CombatRealism</li>
<li>CombatRealism Defence</li>
<li>RW_EnhancedTabs-0.13.0.1</li>
<li>Darkness Revamp</li>
<li>Clutter Misc</li>
<li>CaveworldFlora</li>
<li>FishIndustry</li>
<li>Rimworld Westernization Project</li>
<li>RTFTJ</li>
<li>RWAutoSell</li>
<li>LT_RedistHeat</li>
<li>Hospitality</li>
<li>HydroponicRoom</li>
<li>Nightlings</li>
<li>Trait Pack</li>
<li>ExtendedWoodworking</li>
<li>TilledSoil</li>
<li>EdBModOrder</li>
</activeMods>
</ModsConfigData>
can you provide any error logs?
Here you go:
http://pastebin.com/FMUgA8Zz
Quote from: RedPhoenix on May 23, 2016, 03:12:18 PM
Here you go:
http://pastebin.com/FMUgA8Zz
lots of hospitality related errors...
try updating hospitality first, if the error persists then its something else... the current version is 1.13 I think...
Thanks, but updating didn't fix the issue.
Oh, and I'm also not able to be able to craft turrets....
Quote from: RedPhoenix on May 23, 2016, 03:30:08 PM
Thanks, but updating didn't fix the issue.
Oh, and I'm also not able to be able to craft turrets....
with the new version installed send the logs again please
Does anyone know if it's possible to disable ammo? I liked the older version... this one kinda ruined with hospitality since the npcs just get stuck and die... plus all that different ammo tipes make it kinda confusing.
Quote from: Johnny on May 23, 2016, 06:05:42 PM
Does anyone know if it's possible to disable ammo? I liked the older version... this one kinda ruined with hospitality since the npcs just get stuck and die... plus all that different ammo tipes make it kinda confusing.
To change the mod now would cause even greater confusion. All the mods that have compatibility patches for CR would probably need to have 2 patches instead of just one, for each "version" (with and without ammo), plus a lot more work for anyone maintaining this mod...
Quote from: joaonunes on May 23, 2016, 03:19:06 PM
Quote from: RedPhoenix on May 23, 2016, 03:12:18 PM
Here you go:
http://pastebin.com/FMUgA8Zz
lots of hospitality related errors...
try updating hospitality first, if the error persists then its something else... the current version is 1.13 I think...
How do you tell it's Hospitality related? Not to point fingers, but
Community Core Library :: Injection Controller :: Initialization :: Errors during injection
Error injecting 'CommunityCoreLibrary.DetourInjector' :: System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
I believe this is going wrong somewhere else.
Also it looks like someone updated Hospitality with visitors still on the map, which absolutely spells trouble.
On a positive note, the new Hospitality version fixes the problem that visitors come with too much stuff in their inventory (not caravans, though).
Quote from: joaonunes on May 23, 2016, 04:08:01 PM
Quote from: RedPhoenix on May 23, 2016, 03:30:08 PM
Thanks, but updating didn't fix the issue.
Oh, and I'm also not able to be able to craft turrets....
with the
Here you go:
I see a lot of errors about missing defs for ammo recipes.
http://pastebin.com/uzn1NEvV
I was also not able to save the game. I probably need to make a clean install again.
Quote from: Orion on May 24, 2016, 02:09:48 AM
Quote from: joaonunes on May 23, 2016, 03:19:06 PM
Quote from: RedPhoenix on May 23, 2016, 03:12:18 PM
Here you go:
http://pastebin.com/FMUgA8Zz
lots of hospitality related errors...
try updating hospitality first, if the error persists then its something else... the current version is 1.13 I think...
How do you tell it's Hospitality related? Not to point fingers, but
Community Core Library :: Injection Controller :: Initialization :: Errors during injection
Error injecting 'CommunityCoreLibrary.DetourInjector' :: System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
I believe this is going wrong somewhere else.
Also it looks like someone updated Hospitality with visitors still on the map, which absolutely spells trouble.
On a positive note, the new Hospitality version fixes the problem that visitors come with too much stuff in their inventory (not caravans, though).
Because there were tons of errors in the middle of the file relative to hospitality. My bad for overlooking the injection errors... Totaly skipped that section for no reason :(
Still, I made a new colony on a new world, and the error persisted.
Quote from: RedPhoenix on May 24, 2016, 04:59:32 AM
Still, I made a new colony on a new world, and the error persisted.
Detours fails. So your mod configuration is not working. Could be one mod breaking all others. The one that throws the error I mentioned earlier.
Can i translate your CR into Chinese?
By the way, what the FSX abbreviate from?
Quote from: Orion on May 24, 2016, 05:26:29 AM
Quote from: RedPhoenix on May 24, 2016, 04:59:32 AM
Still, I made a new colony on a new world, and the error persisted.
Detours fails. So your mod configuration is not working. Could be one mod breaking all others. The one that throws the error I mentioned earlier.
It wasn't Hospitality.
I tried with try-and-error, and it was Clutter Misc. mod that was breaking CR.
Disabled it, now it works as intended.
Quote from: Profugo Barbatus on May 20, 2016, 09:31:33 AM
Quote from: Nitro1248 on May 20, 2016, 07:07:50 AM
I tried this, but I keep getting told that the file is corrupt or there are conflicting mods, even if the file is new and this is the only mod on (side from core)
I'm using a Mac, is this a pc only mod?
Its the only mod you've enabled aside from core? While there's your problem. As the main post says, you need to have the Community Core Library installed. When using just CR, your load order should be Core>CCL>CR
It fails even if i have CCL installed, is there anything special on how to do the load order?
Quote from: Nitro1248 on May 24, 2016, 11:51:17 AM
Quote from: Profugo Barbatus on May 20, 2016, 09:31:33 AM
Quote from: Nitro1248 on May 20, 2016, 07:07:50 AM
I tried this, but I keep getting told that the file is corrupt or there are conflicting mods, even if the file is new and this is the only mod on (side from core)
I'm using a Mac, is this a pc only mod?
Its the only mod you've enabled aside from core? While there's your problem. As the main post says, you need to have the Community Core Library installed. When using just CR, your load order should be Core>CCL>CR
It fails even if i have CCL installed, is there anything special on how to do the load order?
Make sure the order is 1.Core 2.CCL 3.CCL Vanilla Tweaks (if your using it) 4.CR
also make sure that your CR file is only one deep in the mods folder, eg. Mods>CR>About, etc.
Quote from: Nitro1248 on May 24, 2016, 11:51:17 AM
Quote from: Profugo Barbatus on May 20, 2016, 09:31:33 AM
Quote from: Nitro1248 on May 20, 2016, 07:07:50 AM
I tried this, but I keep getting told that the file is corrupt or there are conflicting mods, even if the file is new and this is the only mod on (side from core)
I'm using a Mac, is this a pc only mod?
Its the only mod you've enabled aside from core? While there's your problem. As the main post says, you need to have the Community Core Library installed. When using just CR, your load order should be Core>CCL>CR
It fails even if i have CCL installed, is there anything special on how to do the load order?
It seems that you are not using EdB's Mod Order to order your mods. Because of that make sure you have only Core enabled, then enable CCL, then enable CCL Tweaks and finally enable CR.
Quote from: duduluu on May 24, 2016, 05:50:45 AM
Can i translate your CR into Chinese?
By the way, what the FSX abbreviate from?
That's just what it's called, it is some kind of highly explosive liquid, I guess like somewhat more stable nitroglycerin.
Quote from: duduluu on May 24, 2016, 05:50:45 AM
Can i translate your CR into Chinese?
By the way, what the FSX abbreviate from?
RDX = Research Department eXplosive
NIA couldn't be bothered coming up with an abbreviation so FSX stands for Future Space eXplosive.
Hey NoImageAvailable, I know you are done with modding on Rimworld, but can I make a compatibility patch of this mod for More Factions spawn? Your factions.xml is stopping the extra factions from spawning in, I will give full credit when I upload it to ludeon :)
Quote from: Alistaire on May 25, 2016, 01:55:32 AM
NIA couldn't be bothered coming up with an abbreviation so FSX stands for Future Space eXplosive.
Ha, I've been wondering myself. I figured it was a derivative of RDX, but didn't know the FS meaning.
Quote from: Joshy1111 on May 28, 2016, 12:55:56 AM
Hey NoImageAvailable, I know you are done with modding on Rimworld, but can I make a compatibility patch of this mod for More Factions spawn? Your factions.xml is stopping the extra factions from spawning in, I will give full credit when I upload it to ludeon :)
I doubt he will respond here; his last active date was 16 days ago, about the time he updated to 1.6.5. I've used CR in its entirety in my own mod since then, the license info in the original post allows you to use it however you want so long as you don't take donations or use it in an otherwise-commercial fashion.
(EDIT) That said I hope you make a patch, since it will likely work with my mod (arbitration) as well, since it uses the same factions.xml.
All patches are welcome.
NIA is done, he will not be back, I am now "maintaining" this. See my post a few pages back for the full thing.
Quote from: skullywag on May 28, 2016, 05:52:38 AM
All patches are welcome.
NIA is done, he will not be back, I am now "maintaining" this. See my post a few pages back for the full thing.
Oh cool, thanks :)
Alright I posted the patch up with full permission, let me know if something goes wrong I am kinda a bad coder...
I can't load this mod in at all. I followed the exact instructions, but it says that one of the active mods were causing errors. That was with just CCL and CR active. I'm not sure what to do!
is there any way to have pawns self-equip the right ammo for the gun they are carrying? I'm finding the amount of micro-management needed to make sure they have ammo a bit pain in the ass.
Quote from: magik20 on May 29, 2016, 11:36:22 AM
is there any way to have pawns self-equip the right ammo for the gun they are carrying? I'm finding the amount of micro-management needed to make sure they have ammo a bit pain in the ass.
I asked same thing page or two earlier, you can manage it like you manage your clothes
Quote from: magik20 on May 29, 2016, 11:36:22 AM
is there any way to have pawns self-equip the right ammo for the gun they are carrying? I'm finding the amount of micro-management needed to make sure they have ammo a bit pain in the ass.
.I do not give them anything in direct way. You create loadout like -
pistol
60 HPammo( button near weapon for correct caliber)
or
bow
20 stone arrows
knife and simple meal
And then assign these loadouts, like "sniper" or "knife" to people. First time it's usually need to draft-undraft if you want to them to take things immediately and after that they try to keep amount of things by themself (put to storage things not needed and take things they lack)
At least this is how I manage it. It's a bit inconvenient at first and sometimes frustrating in emergency situations but I used to it and most of the time do not have problems with it.
By the way - love this mod, thanks for it. Only somehow problem I see, if to call it like this, it's enemies do not care to much about their friends when shooting and often kill each other, but do not think it can be solved. And quality of life feature request - global loadout presets - save and load loadout and apparel preset selection for whole colony, something like df alarms but not realy
I'm having an issue loading my saved game, a lot of errors pointing at CR, is there something I can fix?
I'm using the A13 modpack as well...
Modconfig and error log are here - https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B9e_vz0fcMsfOUZueTl3d0pUNnM
is anyone going to make a rimsenal patch? ive checked a few times in the rimsenal thread but it seems to be dead. even just a quick and dirty on e would be fine, or if somone could explain how i could do it myself
Quote from: skullywag on May 12, 2016, 07:40:11 AM
CR will live on. Dont worry.
I thank you, and Tynan should thank you as well. This mod adds so much to the game that Rimworld would be greatly diminished were it not available for the Steam version.
Quote from: Devon_v on May 29, 2016, 07:16:01 PM
Quote from: skullywag on May 12, 2016, 07:40:11 AM
CR will live on. Dont worry.
I thank you, and Tynan should thank you as well. This mod adds so much to the game that Rimworld would be greatly diminished were it not available for the Steam version.
Yeah. This mod is easily the first mod I try to update because it adds features I consider to be vital, all other mods add "lesser" features or quality-of-life to the game, meaning no disrespect for the work of the other modders, please, dont take this wrong.
plz can someone give me the pros and cons of this mod
and what compatibility is like
Quote from: jere8184 on May 29, 2016, 08:41:25 PM
plz can someone give me the pros and cons of this mod
and what compatibility is like
Pros: new weapon system with bullets, reload and enhanced damage system.
Cons: same as pros, because now weapons have limited ammo (you need to craft/purchase more) and pawns die more easily.
Compatibility: there are patches for most weapons mods and mods that have compat issues with this mod, either on the CR thread or with a CR version on the other mods' pages, so that should not really be a problem.
For more info check the first page of this thread and take your own conclusions
I have started a new colony (and didn't change any mods since then). Now on the third or fourth raid, one of the raiders spawned with a sniper rifle (before that they only had hammers and axes) and I get an error. The raider has several "Loadout Generator" items in the inventory.
I did chnage one thing in the mod: I removed the "ammoSet" entries for all weapons in "Weapons_Guns.xml", because I find mirco-managing ammo quite annoying. This removed the need for ammo. If that is the reason for the error, is there another way to disable ammo?
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Quote from: Lupin III on May 30, 2016, 09:59:34 AM
I did chnage one thing in the mod: I removed the "ammoSet" entries for all weapons in "Weapons_Guns.xml". If that is the reason for the error, is there another way to disable ammo?
This is clearly the reason for the error. What you actually want to do is change the definition of the gun so it doesn't require ammo. Check The laser guns of this mod (https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=13992.0). They do have reloading, but don't require ammo.
Randomly deleting stuff is never the solution.
Has anyone reported an issue with Null and duplicate colonists, which causes the game to fail loading a map? (i'm sorry that i do not have the log right now, but i can generate it again later tonight if it would help.)
Quote from: crazybmanp on May 30, 2016, 01:28:19 PM
Has anyone reported an issue with Null and duplicate colonists, which causes the game to fail loading a map? (i'm sorry that i do not have the log right now, but i can generate it again later tonight if it would help.)
it appears that is what i might be suffering from
https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=9759.msg225131#msg225131
Quote from: magik20 on May 30, 2016, 02:19:34 PM
Quote from: crazybmanp on May 30, 2016, 01:28:19 PM
Has anyone reported an issue with Null and duplicate colonists, which causes the game to fail loading a map? (i'm sorry that i do not have the log right now, but i can generate it again later tonight if it would help.)
it appears that is what i might be suffering from
https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=9759.msg225131#msg225131
Yea, seems like the same thing. has there been any progress on figuring out what is happening to cause this?
Quote from: Orion on May 30, 2016, 12:11:58 PM
Randomly deleting stuff is never the solution.
It wasn't random, it was an educated guess after reading about it somewhere ;) (I'm not the only one who doesn't want to micro-manage ammo). And it worked for a bit.
That XML-file is the only place where the ammo for a gun is defined and none of the guns have an option set to not use ammo. Comparing with other mods doesn't help, because CR completely rewrites the weapon definitions including the new XML tags, not just values.
There is no need to micro manage at all... Get a loading table, set orders to build ammo up to 500 units in every ammo type you use (pick FMJ for average pen and damage, or whatever you prefer) and set loadouts with the menu people put so much effort into. Pawns will get more ammo whenever they are low and ammo will be crafted whenever its needed. The only micromanage I do is to select whuch weapon a pawn will have. Dont complicate things that are easy...
"Ohh there are so many ammo types, etc..." - set a loadout for that weapon and thats it!
"There is FMJ, AP, HP, dont want to micromanage that..." - pick one type! Is it a sniper? Get AP, is it a 9mm weapon? Get HP, AP would suck anyways in a 9mm... Not enough pen for harder targets. Sell all the other variants. (These are just examples!!! No need to start shooting)
"One weapon uses 9mm, another uses NATO 5mm, another NATO 7mm, no need to manage that!" - see both quotes above. Set a loadout and ammo orders for that weapon/ammo type and never look at it again, seriously.
I can start a colony and spend 5 mins to set up all the weapons in ALL the mods that add weapons and will NEVER look at it again.
"KISS", google it ;)
Quote from: joaonunes on May 30, 2016, 04:23:55 PM
Get a loading table, set orders to build ammo up to 500 units in every ammo type you use (pick FMJ for average pen and damage, or whatever you prefer) and set loadouts with the menu people put so much effort into.
Which menu are you talking about? I can't see any loadouts.
Same place as where you assign clothing to people
Quote from: Lupin III on May 30, 2016, 06:18:16 PM
Quote from: joaonunes on May 30, 2016, 04:23:55 PM
Get a loading table, set orders to build ammo up to 500 units in every ammo type you use (pick FMJ for average pen and damage, or whatever you prefer) and set loadouts with the menu people put so much effort into.
Which menu are you talking about? I can't see any loadouts.
Here:
(http://i1107.photobucket.com/albums/h384/JOHNFIRE/guide1.png)
And then:
(http://i1107.photobucket.com/albums/h384/JOHNFIRE/guide2.png)
I cant explain better than this...
is CR the reason why my colonists are killing each other or pets in combat? If a pet or a person is standing in from of someone firing, they always get hit multiple times.
Quote from: Lupin III on May 30, 2016, 02:49:19 PM
That XML-file is the only place where the ammo for a gun is defined and none of the guns have an option set to not use ammo. Comparing with other mods doesn't help, because CR completely rewrites the weapon definitions including the new XML tags, not just values.
Yeah it does. Look, I did the job for you.
If you look at the weapons_guns.xml, each gun has a _AmmoUser comps property. First try to just kick that out. Chances are this will already solve your problem.
If not, you need to use the verbs and comps part from for example the laser weapons (you need to install the laser mod for that too). But keep the sound, range, flash, projectile etc. data from the CR guns. This will give your guns the reload model from the laser guns. If it doesn't, you probably need another tag from the gun. Just compare them properly (I'm doing this while eating breakfast!).
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Quote from: joaonunes on May 30, 2016, 07:53:59 PM
I cant explain better than this...
I made a video. Not because it's explanes better but because I love to make them. :D
https://youtu.be/4L-vpwNCzlA
Quote from: zzz1000 on May 30, 2016, 11:12:12 PM
Quote from: joaonunes on May 30, 2016, 07:53:59 PM
I cant explain better than this...
I made a video. Not because it's explanes better but because I love to make them. :D
https://youtu.be/4L-vpwNCzlA
A video explains better but I dont like to make them xD
Quote from: crazybmanp on May 30, 2016, 02:29:04 PM
Quote from: magik20 on May 30, 2016, 02:19:34 PM
Quote from: crazybmanp on May 30, 2016, 01:28:19 PM
Has anyone reported an issue with Null and duplicate colonists, which causes the game to fail loading a map? (i'm sorry that i do not have the log right now, but i can generate it again later tonight if it would help.)
it appears that is what i might be suffering from
https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=9759.msg225131#msg225131
Yea, seems like the same thing. has there been any progress on figuring out what is happening to cause this?
Do you guys remember if any of your colonists got abducted by raiders? Or if you sent them on a quest to investigate some far away land (I think these are from Miscellaneous-Incidents mod)? Basically anything that could get them to not be on the map anymore.
Quote from: Orion on May 30, 2016, 10:39:56 PM
If you look at the weapons_guns.xml, each gun has a _AmmoUser comps property. First try to just kick that out. Chances are this will already solve your problem.
If not, you need to use the verbs and comps part from for example the laser weapons (you need to install the laser mod for that too). But keep the sound, range, flash, projectile etc. data from the CR guns. This will give your guns the reload model from the laser guns. If it doesn't, you probably need another tag from the gun. Just compare them properly (I'm doing this while eating breakfast!).
Thanks! The first thing will remove reloading completely, I guess. But I like that.
For the second solution I didn't now that one mod can use stuff from another.
BUT... The whole reason for that was that I don't want to micro manage. And I had to do that, because
I don't have the loadout menu! I just have the outfits but no additional columns for loadout. And no, I didn't edit any XML files this time ;) . So some other mod must overwrite the changes to that tab then, I guess (I don't get any errors). What is the easiest way find that our (except for en/disabling mods one by one)?
Quote from: Lupin III on May 31, 2016, 09:36:58 AM
Quote from: Orion on May 30, 2016, 10:39:56 PM
If you look at the weapons_guns.xml, each gun has a _AmmoUser comps property. First try to just kick that out. Chances are this will already solve your problem.
I also want to take out the ammo micro-management.
I tried to take out _AmmoUser in weapons_guns, notably on the survival riffle to check if it works, but it still uses ammo and cannot fire when none is there. (of course i take it out from mod combat realism. I checked, there is no other mods using the survival riffle)
Quote from: crusader2010 on May 31, 2016, 09:04:57 AM
Quote from: crazybmanp on May 30, 2016, 02:29:04 PM
Quote from: magik20 on May 30, 2016, 02:19:34 PM
Quote from: crazybmanp on May 30, 2016, 01:28:19 PM
Has anyone reported an issue with Null and duplicate colonists, which causes the game to fail loading a map? (i'm sorry that i do not have the log right now, but i can generate it again later tonight if it would help.)
it appears that is what i might be suffering from
https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=9759.msg225131#msg225131
Yea, seems like the same thing. has there been any progress on figuring out what is happening to cause this?
Do you guys remember if any of your colonists got abducted by raiders? Or if you sent them on a quest to investigate some far away land (I think these are from Miscellaneous-Incidents mod)? Basically anything that could get them to not be on the map anymore.
I know for sure on my last corrupted game i sent one out on a mission and likely on the one previous as well. No one was abducted.
however it seemed like the game worked very well loading autosaves for a while....
Quote from: magik20 on May 31, 2016, 12:18:28 PM
Quote from: crusader2010 on May 31, 2016, 09:04:57 AM
Quote from: crazybmanp on May 30, 2016, 02:29:04 PM
Quote from: magik20 on May 30, 2016, 02:19:34 PM
Quote from: crazybmanp on May 30, 2016, 01:28:19 PM
Has anyone reported an issue with Null and duplicate colonists, which causes the game to fail loading a map? (i'm sorry that i do not have the log right now, but i can generate it again later tonight if it would help.)
it appears that is what i might be suffering from
https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=9759.msg225131#msg225131
Yea, seems like the same thing. has there been any progress on figuring out what is happening to cause this?
Do you guys remember if any of your colonists got abducted by raiders? Or if you sent them on a quest to investigate some far away land (I think these are from Miscellaneous-Incidents mod)? Basically anything that could get them to not be on the map anymore.
I know for sure on my last corrupted game i sent one out on a mission and likely on the one previous as well. No one was abducted.
however it seemed like the game worked very well loading autosaves for a while....
So maybe your colonist died while on the mission, yet it still appeared in the pawn bar (probably as "MISSING"?). And this caused the bug with the loadouts. I'm trying to look at the .DLL now and see if anything obvious can be done about it, if I find out where to actually look (same for the TraverseParms bug). It'll probably be a complete fail, but I'm cheerful enough to try lol ;D
Changing the name of the default loadout Nothing to something else and then creating a new loadout with the Nothing name, then saving, is catasthorpical. Can't load anymore...
(http://i.imgur.com/Slas56C.png)
Does anyone know how to test (in C#) if a colonist is temporarily off the map? (i.e. showing as "MISSING")
I believe I got rid of the TraverseParms log spam (not really sure what the cause was, but at least it's not generating any error anymore), and probably the one with NULL colonists too (likely still need to add the off-map condition).
If anyone is willing to take a look and test this: Source and DLL (https://mega.nz/#!BAchQLoI!CT2s_3o1VDDhGjM5scshjKUpAetwkGEmEmTXliL0cgw)
PS: I had to change some code so that it became compatible with C# 5.0 (hopefully no mistakes there).
Is anyone familiar with the following error? I get it in connection with my game freezing. I'm using Crusader's mod pack and i think it has something to do with a patch for Haplo's Miscellaneous_Core.
Railgun (normal) burst fire shot count is same or higher than auto fire
Anyone have any idea of why or how to find out why I'm getting lag on this version of CR? I downloaded the Mega mod pack and that has CR inside and when I use that version I get no lag at all on x3 speed, however the one of this page gives me lag on x3 speed. The lag happens even when I've just started the map and my drop pods haven't even landed while on x3 speed and I usually don't attempt to play any further.
Quote from: notfood on May 31, 2016, 03:32:59 PM
Changing the name of the default loadout Nothing to something else and then creating a new loadout with the Nothing name, then saving, is catasthorpical. Can't load anymore...
(http://i.imgur.com/Slas56C.png)
I fixed my error by editting my save.
Assigment gets duplicated for pawns sometimes, it seems random chance.
It appears that in <assigments>, sometimes <pawn> id </pawn> gets duplicated, with makes the save unloadable.
It happens more than often...
I've made the final changes to CombatRealism to get rid of the bugs with "TraverseParms" and "NULL" colonists(probably) and duplicate loadouts. Did test them a bit too, with certain events that were likely to have caused the issues. Everything seems to work perfectly (at least with the mod pack from my signature).
Here's the source and DLL for the mod: CombatRealism source and dll (https://mega.nz/#!BAchQLoI!CT2s_3o1VDDhGjM5scshjKUpAetwkGEmEmTXliL0cgw)
Simply copy over the DLL into your "\Mods\CombatRealism\Assemblies" folder (after making a backup of the original).
If anyone is willing to test this further, please let me know what you find!
Quote from: notfood on June 01, 2016, 05:50:17 PM
I fixed my error by editting my save.
Assigment gets duplicated for pawns sometimes, it seems random chance.
It appears that in <assigments>, sometimes <pawn> id </pawn> gets duplicated, with makes the save unloadable.
It happens more than often...
By looking at the error I can see that you have 2 loadouts assigned to the same pawn ("Rori"). This is the key violation from the error. Please try the updated DLL from the previous post and let me know if it works (might require you to delete all the loadouts and recreate them).
PS: do not mess with the default loadout ("Nothing") as this might be one causes for the errors! You should not be able to delete it from in-game anyway. Try loading an older saved game from which you did not edit anything.
Quote from: cakeonslaught on June 01, 2016, 03:37:20 AM
Is anyone familiar with the following error? I get it in connection with my game freezing. I'm using Crusader's mod pack and i think it has something to do with a patch for Haplo's Miscellaneous_Core.
Railgun (normal) burst fire shot count is same or higher than auto fire
That's a bad config on Mis. Core's end. I fixed it by going into the def file for the railgun in the CR patch and changing
<li Class="Combat_Realism.CompProperties_FireModes">
<aimedBurstShotCount>2</aimedBurstShotCount>
<aiUseBurstMode>TRUE</aiUseBurstMode>
<aiUseAimMode>TRUE</aiUseAimMode>
</li>to
<li Class="Combat_Realism.CompProperties_FireModes">
<aiUseBurstMode>TRUE</aiUseBurstMode>
<aiUseAimMode>TRUE</aiUseAimMode>
</li>Also I have a problem with backpacks and tactical vests, they have no quality listed so they are not worn if I set the pawns outfit to not allow normal quality items. This presents a problem outfitting my higher end troops.
I was looking for that info but couldn't find anything:
Do embrasures provide cover?
If yes: Does the cover apply in adjacent tiles only?
Is there a point to build sandbags behind embrasures?
The EPOE patch is 9 months old does it still work o.o
Quote from: LustrousWolf on June 02, 2016, 12:24:29 PM
The EPOE patch is 9 months old does it still work o.o
Yes it does; didn't find any issues with EPOE and I have 80+ other mods too :P
Quote from: crusader2010 on June 02, 2016, 12:25:57 PM
Quote from: LustrousWolf on June 02, 2016, 12:24:29 PM
The EPOE patch is 9 months old does it still work o.o
Yes it does; didn't find any issues with EPOE and I have 80+ other mods too :P
106 items on my loading order and no crashes or critical errors 8) And yes, EPOE patch still works
Quote from: crusader2010 on June 01, 2016, 06:54:26 PM
If anyone is willing to test this further, please let me know what you find!
Played whole in game years with a lot of outfit assigment changes and it's been working with no issue.
Just a little minor one. cast-iron hammer not recognised as hammer for some reason. If loadout set to just hammer it won't let colonist pick up that cast-iron hammer.
I have a pawn with AP and HP mags, how do I swap the mags? Because sometimes I need HP to kill Tribals, but then I need AP against Pirates. Is there a better way than making the pawn swap mags? Instead of making them drop one type, reload with the other, then pick up the ones dropped?
Quote from: LustrousWolf on June 03, 2016, 08:08:02 AM
I have a pawn with AP and HP mags, how do I swap the mags? Because sometimes I need HP to kill Tribals, but then I need AP against Pirates. Is there a better way than making the pawn swap mags? Instead of making them drop one type, reload with the other, then pick up the ones dropped?
Right click on the ammunition icon for the pawn and select whichever one you want the pawn to use. Then click reload.
Quote from: jackarbiter on June 03, 2016, 09:52:21 AM
Quote from: LustrousWolf on June 03, 2016, 08:08:02 AM
I have a pawn with AP and HP mags, how do I swap the mags? Because sometimes I need HP to kill Tribals, but then I need AP against Pirates. Is there a better way than making the pawn swap mags? Instead of making them drop one type, reload with the other, then pick up the ones dropped?
Right click on the ammunition icon for the pawn and select whichever one you want the pawn to use. Then click reload.
Cheers :)
Almost 9 years, no serious problem at all, just that charger rifle texture spawning in siege
Quote from: Thorbane on June 02, 2016, 07:26:09 AM
Quote from: cakeonslaught on June 01, 2016, 03:37:20 AM
Is anyone familiar with the following error? I get it in connection with my game freezing. I'm using Crusader's mod pack and i think it has something to do with a patch for Haplo's Miscellaneous_Core.
Railgun (normal) burst fire shot count is same or higher than auto fire
That's a bad config on Mis. Core's end. I fixed it by going into the def file for the railgun in the CR patch and changing
<li Class="Combat_Realism.CompProperties_FireModes">
<aimedBurstShotCount>2</aimedBurstShotCount>
<aiUseBurstMode>TRUE</aiUseBurstMode>
<aiUseAimMode>TRUE</aiUseAimMode>
</li>
to
<li Class="Combat_Realism.CompProperties_FireModes">
<aiUseBurstMode>TRUE</aiUseBurstMode>
<aiUseAimMode>TRUE</aiUseAimMode>
</li>
Also I have a problem with backpacks and tactical vests, they have no quality listed so they are not worn if I set the pawns outfit to not allow normal quality items. This presents a problem outfitting my higher end troops.
Thank you very much Thorbane for fixing that!
I was thinking, but I think it'd be better if someone who's maintaining the mod makes a new thread for it, as currently, it's rather difficult to find all the tweaks and refinements and such other people posted.
Yea, I think we need a "CR tweaks and patches" thread maintained and updated by someone who is active and uses CR's github etc.
Well im technically the maintainer. But im only going to be doing alpha updates and maybe the odd bugfix. Im not sure that warrants a new thread but i do agree someone needs to collate the patches simply so i can look to roll them into the mod properly. My time is limited so if someone can trawl through the posts since last release and put a post here with relevant links, ill look into it.
Hmm, well as I'm playing this mod I can't seem to have any turrets at all, anyone knows what to do hopefully.
Quote from: kelle123456 on June 06, 2016, 05:14:31 AM
Hmm, well as I'm playing this mod I can't seem to have any turrets at all, anyone knows what to do hopefully.
The M240B is your first turret, requires someone to man it. Buildable at the Machining table once you unlock the table. Auto-turrets have their own research(requires multi-analyzer).
I am on mac and I have been getting an error when trying to use CR. I noticed a few other people comment about the error saying the mod is corrupted. only mods I have right now is core-cll-cr and i got the error. does anyone know of compatibility issues with this mod and macs?
I just started a new colony and I'm getting errors somehow related to the loadout system when I try to load it. It seems to be trying to load the loadout settings for colonists from my last colony as well as the current ones.
how the fuck do i get CR Defence ,there is no link
Quote from: BetaGaming229 on June 08, 2016, 01:16:49 PM
how the fuck do i get CR Defence ,there is no link
It's in the main download link.
ah, damn, I really liked this mod, it is a must in my opinion. unfortunately, NoImageAvaliable stopped working on it. lame. what i really want is 2 separated versions of the mod: lite (no ammo system) and normal (ammo system). the problem 'bout the ammo is that they are not magazines, but single projectiles, so you'll burn through the ammo really fast, are they are a bit expensive too. is there anyone who can fix this? i mean, i like this update (my brother no though), but survival is much harder, and you start without ammo too!
Quote from: PoppiesMan on June 09, 2016, 06:37:46 AM
ah, damn, I really liked this mod, it is a must in my opinion. unfortunately, NoImageAvaliable stopped working on it. lame. what i really want is 2 separated versions of the mod: lite (no ammo system) and normal (ammo system). the problem 'bout the ammo is that they are not magazines, but single projectiles, so you'll burn through the ammo really fast, are they are a bit expensive too. is there anyone who can fix this? i mean, i like this update (my brother no though), but survival is much harder, and you start without ammo too!
5 silver for 1k ammo is too much? Or 20 steel to craft 500?
You'll only burn through ammo if you don't know how to manage it... I spend about 100 steel per year crafting ammo
The first thing people should do is to pick the weapons carefully. Personaly I love to use 5mm and 7mm NATO weapons because that way I only need to craft 2 ammo types instead of spending steel or silver to have all types of ammo PLUS the area to store all of them.
Second, when equipping a pawn with a weapon change the fire type. In a 12 men colony I usually keep 1 sniper, 2 supressive fire (either using MGs if I have them or using low caliber ammo like .45 or "scrap" ammo, like 7mm soviet which I do not want to have nor craft...) and 3 medium-long range assault troops with weapons like FN-SCAR or M4s, all swt to burst AND aimed shot set. Only the supressive troops have full auto snapshot set. The other 6 colonists are either on hold to rescue anyone when needed or to replace someone low on ammo, which never happened to me unless I really want to get rid if a specific weapon
Quote from: joaonunes on June 09, 2016, 08:03:34 AM
5 silver for 1k ammo is too much? Or 20 steel to craft 500?
You'll only burn through ammo if you don't know how to manage it... I spend about 100 steel per year crafting ammo
The first thing people should do is to pick the weapons carefully. Personaly I love to use 5mm and 7mm NATO weapons because that way I only need to craft 2 ammo types instead of spending steel or silver to have all types of ammo PLUS the area to store all of them.
Second, when equipping a pawn with a weapon change the fire type. In a 12 men colony I usually keep 1 sniper, 2 supressive fire (either using MGs if I have them or using low caliber ammo like .45 or "scrap" ammo, like 7mm soviet which I do not want to have nor craft...) and 3 medium-long range assault troops with weapons like FN-SCAR or M4s, all swt to burst AND aimed shot set. Only the supressive troops have full auto snapshot set. The other 6 colonists are either on hold to rescue anyone when needed or to replace someone low on ammo, which never happened to me unless I really want to get rid if a specific weapon
they are not that expensive (I haven't really checked the price, I've just started in Alpha 13) but there is a new problem: no steel nor caravans (or trade ships). I mined the map and I've only found 2 veins (for a total of 500 steel). I'm at my 2nd year and, with the comms console fully powered, no trade ship has arrived. I'm almost out of steel (217), but I still have some ammo for my rifle and pistol and the ammo crafting table is 150 steel
I'd call it terrible planning. I modify the mod to increse the cost of ammo myself. Love the mechanic. It really improves the game, and melee weapons are more relevant then ever. I love building myself a huge arsenal of ammo and guns of all types.
I've got a load of logged errors which I found to come from Combat Realism
In output_log :
TraverseParms for null pawn.
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/StandalonePlayerGenerated/UnityEngineDebug.cpp Line: 56)
In the log :
http://i.imgur.com/1b2nppW.jpg
I don't care much about the log size, but my game happened to slow down a _lot_ after I had the opportunity to set up a critter farm with 24 military turrets and 4 shredders turrets ( from ED-More Vanilla Turrets) and I've read that CR modifies the AttackTargetFinder method which seems to cause the problem.
I started a log for patches of CR. The link is here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1lKuwon7S8XBzNHQDeLaiCSJzb0Oqh9eM9EV3ok3DViI/edit?usp=sharing
If you post a patch to CR, please include it in the log, so Skullywag doesn't have to sift through the thread to find the patches.
I only found 3 patches
I need a little help. How the hell can I reload the flak gun? No matter what I do it just won't get reloaded. Tried all possible options I could think of but nothing works. I do have 90mm HE shells next to it. I tried with a hauler using the gun. If I select a target the gun will point and aim but I just can't get the darn shell in it no matter how I try. Any advice on this one?
Quote from: Knedl on June 16, 2016, 03:34:40 AM
I need a little help. How the hell can I reload the flak gun? No matter what I do it just won't get reloaded. Tried all possible options I could think of but nothing works. I do have 90mm HE shells next to it. I tried with a hauler using the gun. If I select a target the gun will point and aim but I just can't get the darn shell in it no matter how I try. Any advice on this one?
Have you tried the reloading option when u select the turret, and do you have the right ammo selected for the reloading option, if you right click the ammo you can switch which type of shells it can take
Edit1: the ammo might also be out of the colonists Restricted area if you have them restricted
Tnx for reply Shirimoto. It was the reload option that puzzled me since it simply didn't work and I couldn't change the ammo type either. Other turrets, mortars and guns working properly only the flak turret didn't reload. I eventually build all types of 90mm shells but it didn't help either, moved the turret to different locations. I build two turrets and was unable to reload either. Pawn operating it had no zone restrictions and I tried most of my 40 pawns. I equiped different pawns (like hauler/best shooting skill 18/etc) with shells but it didn't work either. I simply though that there must be some different way of reloading the turret that I am not aware of since the turret did point and aim and was turning if a pawn was operating it - it was just impossible to reload it - the the two icons reload and shell type were not working no matter how creative I was. I am sure my game got bugged since it was giving me all sorts of red flags so at the end I decided to start a new colony. If anyone has the same problem I hope it gets solved and when I build flak guns in my new colony I will report here so we figure out if it's a mod bug or it was just something wrong with my colony. BTW are there any specific conditions for operating the flak gun like minimum shooting skill etc? Thanks again for your help Shirimoto!
Did you try picking up the ammo for the turret with the colonist then using that colonist to shoot?
Quote from: notfood on June 17, 2016, 03:06:25 AM
Did you try picking up the ammo for the turret with the colonist then using that colonist to shoot?
Yes I tried with pawn having shells in his "pockets" :). I also tried all possible options equipping shells and/or flak turret through the Assign tab with different pawns. Nothing worked. I suspect my game was bugged since the reload icon and select ammo type didn't respond if I clicked on those. Tried all possible left/right/double clicks as well lol.
Quote from: Knedl on June 17, 2016, 03:32:51 AM
Quote from: notfood on June 17, 2016, 03:06:25 AM
Did you try picking up the ammo for the turret with the colonist then using that colonist to shoot?
Yes I tried with pawn having shells in his "pockets" :). I also tried all possible options equipping shells and/or flak turret through the Assign tab with different pawns. Nothing worked. I suspect my game was bugged since the reload icon and select ammo type didn't respond if I clicked on those. Tried all possible left/right/double clicks as well lol.
Yeah sorry man I'm not sure what's wrong, I my self have not built the 90mm flak turret yet only the m240b.
I really like ur mod, but is there any chance to disable the ammo system?
Cause thats the point i didnt like :)
Anyone have any advice for taking out centipedes in the early game? I had one show up in a toxic ship that I was unable to kill. I could shoot out its sensors but dealt no damage whatsoever. Even with AP rounds.
It seems that charge rifles or explosives are the only way to deal with them but I didn't have the means to make those at the time.
I left this blind centipede to wander my base and destroy random doors/walls until he became too much of a nuisance and I gave up.
You can deal with them in melee.
If you have enough guys, they will attack fast enough to prevent the centipede from ever attacking a colonist.
So shoot all the sensors and then grab everybody and club it down =)
I only tested with clubs and similar weapons, so i dont know about fists xD
Pump shotgun + bean ammo will kill centipede with a few shots.
Quote from: Nynzal on June 18, 2016, 06:34:08 PM
You can deal with them in melee.
If you have enough guys, they will attack fast enough to prevent the centipede from ever attacking a colonist.
So shoot all the sensors and then grab everybody and club it down =)
I only tested with clubs and similar weapons, so i dont know about fists xD
Awesome thank you! I will definitely try this next time one shows up!
Help!
When my pawn equip gun or something else, I still don't see a CR mode (Fire Mode, Reload, Ammo and etc)!
Mod list - https://gyazo.com/7e44e1f3635b106c825a9d5efc8dc1e9
Quote from: kimesikRUS on June 20, 2016, 01:59:07 AM
Help!
When my pawn equip gun or something else, I still don't see a CR mode (Fire Mode, Reload, Ammo and etc)!
Mod list - https://gyazo.com/7e44e1f3635b106c825a9d5efc8dc1e9
I had the same problem. Try to not change mod order, exit game, open game and load game. I know that you probably done that but if it work it can save you some time.
If a pawn has a gun in their hands and a melee weapon in their inventory, and they are being attacked by something at close quarters, will they use the butt of the gun to fight the threat as the melee weapon, or swap out automatically to their actual melee weapon in their inventory? Or will I have to do this weapon swap manually?
With my experience they don't use the butt of the weapon in melee, they use their fists, when I check the health tab for damage its just Crack/Bruise (human fist), and you'll have to switch out manually I think.
Quote from: Shirimoto on June 21, 2016, 10:35:33 AM
With my experience they don't use the butt of the weapon in melee, they use their fists, when I check the health tab for damage its just Crack/Bruise (human fist), and you'll have to switch out manually I think.
Oh ok, but it is not automatic? That's a shame, would be a really neat feature, although I am not a modder so I am in no position to tell someone what they should add and remove from their mods :P
So, I'm having a problem with my Embrasures and Turrets. For some reason I cannot fire past an embrasure with a turret. Just wondering if anyone else is having this same issue.
Quote from: LustrousWolf on June 21, 2016, 10:59:10 AM
Quote from: Shirimoto on June 21, 2016, 10:35:33 AM
With my experience they don't use the butt of the weapon in melee, they use their fists, when I check the health tab for damage its just Crack/Bruise (human fist), and you'll have to switch out manually I think.
Oh ok, but it is not automatic? That's a shame, would be a really neat feature, although I am not a modder so I am in no position to tell someone what they should add and remove from their mods :P
They do swap out when they run out of ammo for their ranged weapons.
Quote from: dinokilla7 on June 22, 2016, 01:41:22 PM
So, I'm having a problem with my Embrasures and Turrets. For some reason I cannot fire past an embrasure with a turret. Just wondering if anyone else is having this same issue.
I had the same problem but with a manhunter pack. Not sure if turrets will fire at manhunters.
How do you get mats like FSX(or whatever it is) and Promethium? Trying to make the Incendiary launcher fuel cells and its really bugging me cause I love that weapon.
FSX comes from shearing boomalopes.
I'm having an issue with pump-action shotguns where the colonist never fires it at threats that are in range, and if I right-click a target manually, I get "Cannot hit target". There are no obstructions between the colonist and the target, and it is within range. The shotgun is the only weapon that seems to be doing this. Can anyone tell me what's wrong?
Thanks notfood, Got some fuel cells now :D
Is there any way to deal with sieges in this mod? I got one with 2 sniper rifles and an SMG when all I had was a survival rifle, a few bows, and a couple clubs, which as you can imagine, went south pretty fast. I figured the author of the mod intended sieges to be waited out so I kept the game running, but the raiders seem to getting infinite ammo resupplies and the mortars do massive damage compared to vanilla. Am I missing something or do I just need to rush sniper rifles very early to counter these?
Quote from: Lockdown on June 27, 2016, 11:32:09 PM
I'm having an issue with pump-action shotguns where the colonist never fires it at threats that are in range, and if I right-click a target manually, I get "Cannot hit target". There are no obstructions between the colonist and the target, and it is within range. The shotgun is the only weapon that seems to be doing this. Can anyone tell me what's wrong?
not sure but i keep forgetting sometimes to put my guns off from hold fire. is it that?
Yes. It is that. Because that is what "Hold Fire" means, they're holding their fire.
I'm having trouble getting this mod to work. When i start with a weapon it has ammo but when i'm finnished shooting it then empties out and cant reload. I have activated mod through EdB Mod order after Core>CCL>CCL Vanilla tweaks...and i have other mods too but can't figure out if some of them are messing this up.
Alright I feel extremely dumb right now I cant figure out how to make this mod work
Never mind i got it to work i was just being a stupid
Robert_Nick do you have any other mods activated besides Combat Realism??
For some reason I can still make artillery shells for the mortar and load them. I assume that is not supposed to be there as you can also make 81mm HE mortar shells?
Also, how do you get FSX in a biome with no boomalopes?
I have a problem with the bigger guns (like the flak gun or the KPV mg). They seem to disappear after crafting and spawning them causes a charge rifle (with name of the CR weapon) to lay on the ground. They can be loaded and fired but vanish after dropping. Also they seem to be fired like a normal weapon from the shooters hands. Is there a way to fix this because my defence could really need a few heavier gun?
Okay so I don't have any of the new security stuff in game which is sad (Ran these screenshots in god mode so I have everything researched): https://gyazo.com/6f259e6a770d9d397c10a115ecdf1702 https://gyazo.com/29c297c0fc700e703f556589416cd63c Please Help.
Quote from: RuthlessGamer on July 06, 2016, 10:43:50 PM
Okay so I don't have any of the new security stuff in game which is sad (Ran these screenshots in god mode so I have everything researched): https://gyazo.com/6f259e6a770d9d397c10a115ecdf1702 https://gyazo.com/29c297c0fc700e703f556589416cd63c Please Help.
simple, turrets have to be bought, then placed.
and embrasure walls are under structure.
Thank You :)
Quote from: There is no Vic on June 24, 2016, 08:49:55 PM
Quote from: dinokilla7 on June 22, 2016, 01:41:22 PM
So, I'm having a problem with my Embrasures and Turrets. For some reason I cannot fire past an embrasure with a turret. Just wondering if anyone else is having this same issue.
I had the same problem but with a manhunter pack. Not sure if turrets will fire at manhunters.
I'm actually having the same problem myself right now. I have an M240b that just wont fire past sandbags or embrasures.
Is it right next to the sandbag/embrasure?
I actually found out what it was. I was using crusader2010s modpack and they don't play well with the embrasure he loads before combat realism. Removing it not only fixed the problem but automatically replaced existing embrasures with the CR ones.
sorry i thought this was the skt mega mod pack
erm this isnt a modpack, this is combat realism, a single (ish) mod, calm down and tell us exactly what your issue is.
I noticed the deadfall traps have odd damage numbers, with wood being equivalent to plasteel, for example. Seems this is a consequence from materials being rebalanced for the new armor penetration stat. So my question is, do traps actually use this new stat, considering it's not shown in the information window?
The savegame load error with the log text (condensed):
rimworld post-long-event action. NullReferenceException Verse.VerbTracker.get_PrimaryVerb
I am using an older modified version of this mod with the SK-Hardcore modpack so it may be that this issue is already fixed in the version here. Nevertheless for those using the same version as me, or if it has not been fixed, saves affected by this bug can be fixed.
search your save file for the text
</loadouts>
<assignments>This is the start of the block where loadouts are assigned to pawns. It contains a list of pawn ids and loadout names. The bug is caused by the same pawn appearing in the list twice. The pawn ids look like: <pawn>Thing_Human224</pawn>. Pay attention to that number. Look through the list and find any assignments that have the exact same id number. For each pair found, delete one of them. When this has been done save the file and load your game. The game should load normally.
I hope this helps someone, please link to this post if the issue is mentioned again so that it is easy to google.
I want to play alpha 14, but i feel like rimworld just wont be the same without combat realism =(
Will it be updated to alpha 14, by any chance?
Quote from: uRzlYw on July 16, 2016, 04:53:10 PM
Will it be updated to alpha 14, by any chance?
NoImageAvailable, the creator of CR, has left the RW modding community, someone else will have to update the mod to A14, I assume someone will as this is a very big and popular mod, although it could be tomorrow, or it could be next week.
Well Skullywag took over maintenance of this mod:
https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=9759.msg220032#msg220032
But, I'm sure his hands are fully and most likely overflowing right now with his own mods that need updating. So, a fair bit of patience is most likely going to be needed.
Quote from: skullywag on May 12, 2016, 07:40:11 AM
So as NIA has left Rimworld modding and the modders slack ( :( ) I guess now is the time to state that ill be taking over maintenance of this mod with his blessing, for now, simply because I have a silly amount of mods and a rather large lack of any free time, this will be restricted to alpha updates (and maybe the odd bugfix) only. I wont be adding new features for now.
If anyone out there thinks theyve got the skills to pay the bills and understands where CR should head and wants to take over from me then i would welcome a chat.
CR will live on. Dont worry.
Where and or when should we be ready?
Hey there,
I've just installed CR and I can see the new ammo cartridges in EdB PC.
After starting a new game, I'll equip my colonists with the Assault Rifle (I don't know if this one is Vanilla or added by Rimfire [compatibility patch installed]), but I can't equip the needed Ammo for it. (Should be the NATO cartridge for assault rifles)
What am I doing wrong? Now I can't use the assault rifles at all.
EDIT: Still playing on A13, because it's no fun without EdB PC...
I hope you can help me with that.
Best regards,
Mythos
The assault rifle, which is an m16 uses 5.56×45mm. Are you sure you took the right sort of bullets? There's also 7.62x51mm nato, which doesn't fit if you accidentally took that.
I took the 5.56x45 NATO Cartridge (FMJ), but I'm not able to equip it. (Also not possible when I draft the colonist)
EDIT: Also there's no Reload button as it's shown on the 1st page.
Quote from: Mythos on July 17, 2016, 04:21:57 AM
I took the 5.56x45 NATO Cartridge (FMJ), but I'm not able to equip it. (Also not possible when I draft the colonist)
EDIT: Also there's no Reload button as it's shown on the 1st page.
This is a Load Order Bug, i encountered even. You have to do the load order.. restart and than you shoud try it again.
Quote from: Raccoon on July 17, 2016, 04:43:46 AM
Quote from: Mythos on July 17, 2016, 04:21:57 AM
I took the 5.56x45 NATO Cartridge (FMJ), but I'm not able to equip it. (Also not possible when I draft the colonist)
EDIT: Also there's no Reload button as it's shown on the 1st page.
This is a Load Order Bug, i encountered even. You have to do the load order.. restart and than you shoud try it again.
I've changed the mod order to this:
http://www.directupload.net/file/d/4419/h4gld2pv_png.htm
http://www.directupload.net/file/d/4419/qrgbxoo2_png.htm
Also had Rimfire 2.0 and Rimfire 2.1 for CR 1.6.4 active, because I thought it is just a compatibility patch.
Quote from: Mythos on July 17, 2016, 05:05:10 AM
Quote from: Raccoon on July 17, 2016, 04:43:46 AM
Quote from: Mythos on July 17, 2016, 04:21:57 AM
I took the 5.56x45 NATO Cartridge (FMJ), but I'm not able to equip it. (Also not possible when I draft the colonist)
EDIT: Also there's no Reload button as it's shown on the 1st page.
This is a Load Order Bug, i encountered even. You have to do the load order.. restart and than you shoud try it again.
I've changed the mod order to this:
http://www.directupload.net/file/d/4419/h4gld2pv_png.htm
http://www.directupload.net/file/d/4419/qrgbxoo2_png.htm
Also had Rimfire 2.0 and Rimfire 2.1 for CR 1.6.4 active, because I thought it is just a compatibility patch.
The only issue is that is only for CR 1.6.4 the latest version is 1.6.5. I didn't take a good look at the change logs but I'm presuming it might be different enough to cause issues.
The 1.6.4 version should work for 1.6.4+.
Any ETA we see this and Rimfire in Steam workshop? pleeeeease! :)
Quote from: dyl000 on July 15, 2016, 10:26:40 PM
I want to play alpha 14, but i feel like rimworld just wont be the same without combat realism =(
Yeah I'm holding off on playing until it gets updated. 14 is a lot to deal with so I can understand the delay. Keep it up CR guys!
Question. How does lighting affect shooting? Does a pawn being in light give them an accuracy buff, or does being in light make them easier to hit? I'd assume the latter, but I'm just not sure.
Quote from: Reviire on July 22, 2016, 09:08:44 PM
Question. How does lighting affect shooting? Does a pawn being in light give them an accuracy buff, or does being in light make them easier to hit? I'd assume the latter, but I'm just not sure.
Being in light makes it easier to be hit
So, I'm having a bit of an issue again. Except this time, I'm trying to disable ammo by deleting the <ammoset> lines in Weapon_Guns.xml, but it causes errors when i try to start a game. That's what the mod author said to do, and apparently I'm the only one who screwed it up, so yea i dunno. Bit of help?
EDIT: Scratch that i didn't figure it out.
EDIT: I managed to get it to work for guns, i found out the issue. Turrets aren't having any of this no ammo stuff though.
I miss this mod ;-;
Quote from: Facepunch on August 02, 2016, 04:02:42 PM
I miss this mod ;-;
Agreed, the game isn't worth playing without it.
This mod (or the current lack thereof) killed Rimworld for me, I wish Tynan would have acted responsibly when it came to the modding community, or at the very least integrated this into the core.
Quote from: porcupine on August 02, 2016, 05:51:15 PM
Quote from: Facepunch on August 02, 2016, 04:02:42 PM
I miss this mod ;-;
Agreed, the game isn't worth playing without it.
This mod (or the current lack thereof) killed Rimworld for me, I wish Tynan would have acted responsibly when it came to the modding community, or at the very least integrated this into the core.
You can still stick with A13, i play on it still.
The modder (Skyarkhangel -spelling??) in Hardcore SK seems to have updated it according to a post in the Hardcore SK thread today. Could be that it is just enough to work for Hardcore SK, so not sure if that means it will be released as a standalone.
Updated to A14
First release version
(http://s020.radikal.ru/i708/1508/2f/76d376e3c505.png) (https://mega.nz/#!VYVEXRBB!DpAZT5JeFbn8mp5_7Us-OKdIocl0z25WoXXYEYPWLdU)
Congrats skyarkhangel! Good job! I'll try it now...
I was doing work to split CR in Inventory, AmmoRealism and AimRealism. Oh well, too late I guess.
Thank you so much skyarkhangel, I was waiting to play A14 until this mod was updated. Cheers!
Quote from: notfood on August 03, 2016, 12:49:45 AM
Congrats skyarkhangel! Good job! I'll try it now...
I was doing work to split CR in Inventory, AmmoRealism and AimRealism. Oh well, too late I guess.
Splitting those would still be greatly appreciated by some of us (me at least!)
It would do wonders for compatibility.
Nice, thanks for the update. Give this person a beer: 1,983 additions and 1,443 deletions (just in the code...).
Everyone please thank Sky, doing this was a major undertaking.... I for one am glad (as i now dont have to do it.)
Props!
Quote from: QbertEnhanced on August 03, 2016, 01:15:05 AM
Quote from: notfood on August 03, 2016, 12:49:45 AM
Congrats skyarkhangel! Good job! I'll try it now...
I was doing work to split CR in Inventory, AmmoRealism and AimRealism. Oh well, too late I guess.
Splitting those would still be greatly appreciated by some of us (me at least!)
It would do wonders for compatibility.
yea id like that too. i assume the inventory part makes the mod incompatible with others? not sure about that though.
nevertheless THANK YOU VERY MUCH (спасибо, [spasibo]) skyarkhangel!and also the original mod creator ofc - TYVM!
Thanks :)
Any errors, bug-reports, please send in github too.
https://github.com/skyarkhangel/CombatRealism
I have a lot of other modifications and such lack of time, please, if you found a bug, which can be fixed in XML - do it. I accept your changes.
Sky,
Thanks for both the work on Hardcore SK and also the new work on Combat Realism, stellar job!
Quote from: skyarkhangel on August 03, 2016, 12:36:38 AM
Updated to A14
First release version
(http://s020.radikal.ru/i708/1508/2f/76d376e3c505.png) (https://mega.nz/#!VYVEXRBB!DpAZT5JeFbn8mp5_7Us-OKdIocl0z25WoXXYEYPWLdU)
What of the defense addon?
Awesome to see this coming back. Thanks skyark!
Quote from: notfood on August 03, 2016, 12:49:45 AM
Congrats skyarkhangel! Good job! I'll try it now...
I was doing work to split CR in Inventory, AmmoRealism and AimRealism. Oh well, too late I guess.
i would GREATLY appreciate inventory.
Great work getting this to a14.
I tested out a few things in dev mode before starting a new game and i've experienced a few issues:
-Autoturret continuously logs an error after reloaded. Logs another error when a target is in range and doesn't actually fire. Not sure if i was able to get it to fire on its own or if it only fired when given a target explicitly.
-Mild issue, shotgun is producing a shell for each projectile it shoots, so every time a shotgunner shoots they spill out a ton of casings instead of a single casing.
-Frag grenades aren't producing any fragments and error on exploding, still do explode damage in the 3x3 though.
-molotovs aren't generating any fire or doing anything in the blast, causes errors to be logged every tick afterward
-HE mortars cause something to be logged when the mortar shell explodes, no frags either if there are supposed to be any.
-Incendiary mortars log an error when the shell explodes
-Forced attack from mortars and turrets on the ground doesn't work and requires an entity like a wall or a pawn to target, says beyond maximum range without an entity.
-Trying to toss pilium causes a continous error to be logged.
-Bows produce casings.
Only CCL + CCL - Vanilla tweaks v14.1 used alongside to test.
Still really great that you got the fundamental system working.
(I tried making an issue at the github linked but you might not have configured your fork to allow issues)
While trying to duct-tape CR Defence into working with the CR A14 update, I've noticed some mechanisms haven't been implemented for the new version of CR.
For example, the AltitudeLayer field for Sandbag used to be Waist in the previous version (so colonists hiding behind one will not take any bullets below waist, as the sandbag is covering it) but it has been changed to Building, and Waist is no longer recognized as valid for that field. This makes sandbags behave as if they were walls for the purposes of cover height, not as sandbags.
This is just one example, there seem to be quite a lot of these unintended changes, to the point they may have a significant impact on the core mechanics of CR. Are these features that will be restored in upcoming versions, or are they getting cut to keep maintenance of CR more bearable?
For making the turrets you have to make them at the machining bench. Still requires automated turrets tech to be able to have the option available at the table.
is there any generic list of incompatible mods or do I have to just try my luck?
Thank you for all the hard work you put into updating CR for A14! Now I can finally play CR with Zombies.
Quote from: Lockdown on August 03, 2016, 04:41:53 PM
While trying to duct-tape CR Defence into working with the CR A14 update, I've noticed some mechanisms haven't been implemented for the new version of CR.
For example, the AltitudeLayer field for Sandbag used to be Waist in the previous version (so colonists hiding behind one will not take any bullets below waist, as the sandbag is covering it) but it has been changed to Building, and Waist is no longer recognized as valid for that field. This makes sandbags behave as if they were walls for the purposes of cover height, not as sandbags.
This seems to be the new default value from the core mod as well; so either its globally incorrect in vanilla base game, or it [the value] does something else.
Quote from: jaynus on August 03, 2016, 08:50:10 PM
Quote from: Lockdown on August 03, 2016, 04:41:53 PM
While trying to duct-tape CR Defence into working with the CR A14 update, I've noticed some mechanisms haven't been implemented for the new version of CR.
For example, the AltitudeLayer field for Sandbag used to be Waist in the previous version (so colonists hiding behind one will not take any bullets below waist, as the sandbag is covering it) but it has been changed to Building, and Waist is no longer recognized as valid for that field. This makes sandbags behave as if they were walls for the purposes of cover height, not as sandbags.
This seems to be the new default value from the core mod as well; so either its globally incorrect in vanilla base game, or it [the value] does something else.
Pretty sure the relevant tag for hitting stuff is <fillPercentage>, since sandbags are still acting as well, sandbags. I'm still waiting for the dude who updated it to A14, to fix explosions and shell casing ejections though.
Anyone know how to provide unlimited ammo/remove the need for ammo in CR? I've tried removing the <ammoset> on a turret but once it runs out of ammo, it can't reload itself and no-one tries to load it themselves because it doesn't need ammo. Removing the ammo capacity makes the turret unable to fire and removing the time to reload doesn't make the turret reload automatically. And as far as I can tell, there's nothing like an ammoUsedPerShot multiplier that I can set to 0.
Quote from: Goo Poni on August 04, 2016, 01:32:50 AM
Anyone know how to provide unlimited ammo/remove the need for ammo in CR? I've tried removing the <ammoset> on a turret but once it runs out of ammo, it can't reload itself and no-one tries to load it themselves because it doesn't need ammo. Removing the ammo capacity makes the turret unable to fire and removing the time to reload doesn't make the turret reload automatically. And as far as I can tell, there's nothing like an ammoUsedPerShot multiplier that I can set to 0.
Remove the entire ammo handling shit. I think the turret requires manual reloading, and the reloading job requires ammo, idk. But this fixed it for me. I think, i'm busy playing smite so i'll get back to you later. I did it somehow though, i can tell you that much.
<li Class="Combat_Realism.CompProperties_AmmoUser">
<magazineSize>1</magazineSize>
<reloadTicks>150</reloadTicks>
<spawnUnloaded>true</spawnUnloaded>
<ammoSet>AmmoSet_81mmMortarShell</ammoSet>
</li>
Thanks all for support :) I appreciate it very much.
Now, let's make patches for CR! Also CR Defence needs update. It such easy to update.
I'm still busy with Hardcore SK pack, its almost ready. Dont forget to propose changes into Github.
https://github.com/skyarkhangel/CombatRealism
Quote from: RetPaladinlol on August 03, 2016, 08:44:26 PM
Thank you for all the hard work you put into updating CR for A14! Now I can finally play CR with Zombies.
Zombie Appocalypse needs patch to CR. Because it changes Pawn to -> PawnBittable. Zombie Appocalypse without patch could unstable work.
Quote from: Reviire on August 04, 2016, 01:52:23 AM
Remove the entire ammo handling shit. I think the turret requires manual reloading, and the reloading job requires ammo, idk. But this fixed it for me. I think, i'm busy playing smite so i'll get back to you later. I did it somehow though, i can tell you that much.
<li Class="Combat_Realism.CompProperties_AmmoUser">
<magazineSize>1</magazineSize>
<reloadTicks>150</reloadTicks>
<spawnUnloaded>true</spawnUnloaded>
<ammoSet>AmmoSet_81mmMortarShell</ammoSet>
</li>
This seems to work, removing the entire entry lets the turrets fire freely. Noice.
Quote from: Goo Poni on August 04, 2016, 03:26:16 AM
Quote from: Reviire on August 04, 2016, 01:52:23 AM
Remove the entire ammo handling shit. I think the turret requires manual reloading, and the reloading job requires ammo, idk. But this fixed it for me. I think, i'm busy playing smite so i'll get back to you later. I did it somehow though, i can tell you that much.
<li Class="Combat_Realism.CompProperties_AmmoUser">
<magazineSize>1</magazineSize>
<reloadTicks>150</reloadTicks>
<spawnUnloaded>true</spawnUnloaded>
<ammoSet>AmmoSet_81mmMortarShell</ammoSet>
</li>
This seems to work, removing the entire entry lets the turrets fire freely. Noice.
Although balance will be completely out of whack, seeing as there is now no reload timer.
On reddit someone posted that you need to only remove
<ammoSet>...</ammoSet>
and you keep the reloading.
That was for weapons, not sure if it will work for turrets.
Quote from: Drusek on August 04, 2016, 05:10:43 AM
On reddit someone posted that you need to only remove
<ammoSet>...</ammoSet>
and you keep the reloading.
That was for weapons, not sure if it will work for turrets.
It doesn't, which is why I told him to do it.
There is a bug related to load outs creating permanent hauling loops in some cases. I haven't 100% isolated it but the game throws:
Pawn started 10 jobs in 10 ticks. lastJobGiver=, curJob.def=Wait, curDriver=Verse.AI.JobDriver_Wait
Initially observed it when I had a load out consisting of a simple meal, swapping to an empty load out broke the cycle.
Quote from: jaynus on August 03, 2016, 08:50:10 PMThis seems to be the new default value from the core mod as well; so either its globally incorrect in vanilla base game, or it [the value] does something else.
You're right, I had wrongly assumed this was a CR-specific field.
Quote from: skyarkhangel on August 04, 2016, 01:59:17 AM
Thanks all for support :) I appreciate it very much.
Now, let's make patches for CR! Also CR Defence needs update. It such easy to update.
I'm still busy with Hardcore SK pack, its almost ready. Dont forget to propose changes into Github.
https://github.com/skyarkhangel/CombatRealism
I just updated and tested CR Defence, if you wanna save yourself the time to fix it. Everything seems to be working, except turrets can't force-target the ground or certain objects like chunks. I don't think that's something that can be fixed in XML, though. :P
I looked into making a pull request in your GitHub, but maybe this should have its own project to keep the files separate, seeing as it's an addon? Anyway, I'll leave the files here and you do what you want with them: CR Defence (https://www.mediafire.com/?vkd574a4z7cwanz)
Quote from: Vek17 on August 04, 2016, 06:05:19 AM
There is a bug related to load outs creating permanent hauling loops in some cases. I haven't 100% isolated it but the game throws:
Pawn started 10 jobs in 10 ticks. lastJobGiver=, curJob.def=Wait, curDriver=Verse.AI.JobDriver_Wait
Initially observed it when I had a load out consisting of a simple meal, swapping to an empty load out broke the cycle.
It's normal if item that you want to load extends your bulk/weight limits. Then Pawn will drop because he's over encumbered and he will try to grab it again because he has room in inventory. But I don't think it throw any errors, maybe it's related to formula that prevents example that I described.
EDIT: I think that job "hauling with backpack" is causing it for me, but I don't remember it's also from CR, originally it was from Tools for haul mod and I have installed it to. When I remove priority from this job my Pawn goes to do other things.
I'm seeing Centipedes and scythers take full damage from weapons they shouldn't be taking damage from in the first place. The built in armor doesn't seem to work at all.
Hi, thanks for the update but the EPOE comp patch seems to be for A12 ? Is there some kind of solution or do i have to choose between the 2 mods?
I cannot find where to post bugs on Github, sorry.
Bug 1: When animals are maddened they do not attack humans.
Bug 2: When raiders try to steal what they can when raiding, they stand still and pick up and drop the item as they cannot pick up what they are trying to steal as it is too much for them to carry.
Hello!
I've been testing the A13 EPOE combat realism patch using A14 EPOE and A14 Combat Realism. From what I've gathered this far, by killing of over 100 people with miniguns and stuff in development mode, the EPOE patch MIGHT actually work for A14 already. I need a better tester to actually confirm this though, as I'm quite inexperienced.
When it comes to Biotics, it seems like attacks hit the biotics as expected, and causes no bleeding from what I've gathered. The thing with biotics is that it seems like the biotic part is hit without telling where the body part is hit. I don't remember if this is intended or not.
I hope this helps the modders in a small fashion. I'm gonna try to run som tests on the missing fragments from the fragmentation grenades and HE shells as well. I'm kinda using this to learn basic modding, so my hopes is that I can find my answers somewhere in the .xml files.
Also, thank you Skyark and Skullywag for your continued service of the modding community. You guys are great.
EPOE Comp. Patch is only an modification to human body parts that adds more HP and "hit probability" for organs (you can use it even without CR, probably even without EPOE) it should be compatible with alpha 14 release of CR, I'm using it and it works. Just change in about.xml <targetVersion>Alpha 12</targetVersion> to <targetVersion>Alpha 14</targetVersion> and it shouldn't bother you with ver. conflict.
Combat realism seems to break animal aggression. Wild animals do not aggress when shot (they do aggress when melee'd but will not chase if you leave melee range), mad animals act no different then normal animals and manhunter packs do not attack (they spawn then sit near the edge of the map wandering).
This is on a clean install with just Community Core and Combat Realism.
I'm not sure what's going on exactly, but far as I can see, mortars flat out don't work with this mod, which kind of kills sieges. A bunch of 81mm mortars drop with the siege, with the sprite for charge rifles, but they can't be clicked directly, and right-clicking with a pawn only allows the option to equip it. Once equipped, it seems like it functions as a weapon, but if unequipped it's stuck in your inventory until equipped again, and if dropped while equipped, it vanishes.
Tested with just core, CCL, and Combat Realism loaded, so I'm pretty sure it's CR doing it. Don't see any obvious way to fix it, so, brought it here.
(I've also noticed the issues with animal aggression, just to throw in my own anecdotal evidence on that)
Quote from: Tai on August 04, 2016, 11:19:56 PM
I'm not sure what's going on exactly, but far as I can see, mortars flat out don't work with this mod, which kind of kills sieges. A bunch of 81mm mortars drop with the siege, with the sprite for charge rifles, but they can't be clicked directly, and right-clicking with a pawn only allows the option to equip it. Once equipped, it seems like it functions as a weapon, but if unequipped it's stuck in your inventory until equipped again, and if dropped while equipped, it vanishes.
Tested with just core, CCL, and Combat Realism loaded, so I'm pretty sure it's CR doing it. Don't see any obvious way to fix it, so, brought it here.
(I've also noticed the issues with animal aggression, just to throw in my own anecdotal evidence on that)
Not to mention that you get a shit ton of errors whenever a mortar shell explodes
I didn't actually try to fire the mortar, so I didn't see that myself, but yeah, that sounds like something's broken badly.
Quote from: Tynan on August 03, 2016, 11:53:08 AM
Awesome to see this coming back. Thanks skyark!
You should totally just add this to the base game.
EDIT: Can someone tell me what this <specialDisplayRadius>40</specialDisplayRadius> does?
Quote from: Reviire on August 05, 2016, 01:52:29 AM
Can someone tell me what this <specialDisplayRadius>40</specialDisplayRadius> does?
Isn't that displayed min range, also sunlamp radius?
EDIT: Yes, sunlamp has it to.
Quote from: Diana Winters on August 05, 2016, 12:15:49 AM
Not to mention that you get a shit ton of errors whenever a mortar shell explodes
The crapton of errors also spring into existance when something different explodes. Like a firefoam explosion by which i intended to cheat an engine from crashlanded free of fire.
Quote from: Reviire on August 05, 2016, 01:52:29 AM
Quote from: Tynan on August 03, 2016, 11:53:08 AM
Awesome to see this coming back. Thanks skyark!
You should totally just add this to the base game.
Um, no.
The fixes to collision are nice and should be looked at adding to vanilla.
Adding in the totally overpowered weapons in CR? hell no. 1 man with an incendiary launcher can solo sieges or ship parts.
Having a hand held, accurate, AoE weapon that can kill a centipede in 3-4 shots is just ridiculous.
Adding in the ridiculously deadly combat that kills people in 1 burst? Even more hell no.
Once you get get a few good guns, you can fend off stupidly large raids with them. More deadly guns favour the defender, which is already easy enough as it is. Equally, any mistake or lack of micro results in dead colonists left and right. This makes actually fighting with your guys even more risky for new players, forcing newbies to rely even more on turrets than they already do.
Adding in gun nut fetishist levels of weapon types and ammunition? Hell no.
Rockets are the only single use item in vanilla for good reason. For every person that likes the ammo, I suspect there are a dozen that do not.
And once you have machining up, making ammo is available and just becomes a micromanagement. At least the mod has auto equip....
But by the looks, this 'update' is just a straight copy judging by the huge numbers of things that are now broken. I only played for 10 days and noticed an FPS drop on speed 3. Log showed an error every tick lagging the game with just 4 people and no enemies on the map, so god knows how bad it gets later on.
Uninstalled, hopefully this will be fixed back to a playable level, as it has some interesting features behind all its broken mechanics and weapons.
Quote from: Britnoth on August 05, 2016, 06:08:20 AM
Quote from: Reviire on August 05, 2016, 01:52:29 AM
Quote from: Tynan on August 03, 2016, 11:53:08 AM
Awesome to see this coming back. Thanks skyark!
You should totally just add this to the base game.
Um, no.
The fixes to collision are nice and should be looked at adding to vanilla.
Adding in the totally overpowered weapons in CR? hell no. 1 man with an incendiary launcher can solo sieges or ship parts.
Having a hand held, accurate, AoE weapon that can kill a centipede in 3-4 shots is just ridiculous.
Adding in the ridiculously deadly combat that kills people in 1 burst? Even more hell no.
Once you get get a few good guns, you can fend off stupidly large raids with them. More deadly guns favour the defender, which is already easy enough as it is. Equally, any mistake or lack of micro results in dead colonists left and right. This makes actually fighting with your guys even more risky for new players, forcing newbies to rely even more on turrets than they already do.
Adding in gun nut fetishist levels of weapon types and ammunition? Hell no.
Rockets are the only single use item in vanilla for good reason. For every person that likes the ammo, I suspect there are a dozen that do not.
And once you have machining up, making ammo is available and just becomes a micromanagement. At least the mod has auto equip....
It doesn't need to be forced, just an option. But if it's maintained by one of the developers of the game, we never have to worry about it completely breaking on a new version. But, yes this does make fighting risky, which is the fun part. You don't need to resort to giant killboxes filled with automatic turrets either, which is pretty great.
Also uh, making ammo isn't micro management, you do know you can automate this stuff right?
Quote from: skyarkhangel on August 03, 2016, 10:28:04 AM
Any errors, bug-reports, please send in github too.
https://github.com/skyarkhangel/CombatRealism
I have a lot of other modifications and such lack of time, please, if you found a bug, which can be fixed in XML - do it. I accept your changes.
You need to check the issues option in your repo settings for the issues tab to appear, otherwise reporting bugs on github is rather difficult.
Quote from: Thorbane on August 05, 2016, 06:43:57 AM
Quote from: skyarkhangel on August 03, 2016, 10:28:04 AM
Any errors, bug-reports, please send in github too.
https://github.com/skyarkhangel/CombatRealism
I have a lot of other modifications and such lack of time, please, if you found a bug, which can be fixed in XML - do it. I accept your changes.
You need to check the issues option in your repo settings for the issues tab to appear, otherwise reporting bugs on github is rather difficult.
Please do this. I don't have fixes for a lot of the issues I am seeing but I have been spending a fair bit of time trying to isolate everything I am seeing and having a proper place to make sure issues are reported is helpful when dealing with something like this.
Quote from: Britnoth on August 05, 2016, 06:08:20 AM
Um, no.
The fixes to collision are nice and should be looked at adding to vanilla.
Adding in the totally overpowered weapons in CR? hell no. 1 man with an incendiary launcher can solo sieges or ship parts.
Having a hand held, accurate, AoE weapon that can kill a centipede in 3-4 shots is just ridiculous.
Adding in the ridiculously deadly combat that kills people in 1 burst? Even more hell no.
Once you get get a few good guns, you can fend off stupidly large raids with them. More deadly guns favour the defender, which is already easy enough as it is. Equally, any mistake or lack of micro results in dead colonists left and right. This makes actually fighting with your guys even more risky for new players, forcing newbies to rely even more on turrets than they already do.
Adding in gun nut fetishist levels of weapon types and ammunition? Hell no.
Rockets are the only single use item in vanilla for good reason. For every person that likes the ammo, I suspect there are a dozen that do not.
And once you have machining up, making ammo is available and just becomes a micromanagement. At least the mod has auto equip....
But by the looks, this 'update' is just a straight copy judging by the huge numbers of things that are now broken. I only played for 10 days and noticed an FPS drop on speed 3. Log showed an error every tick lagging the game with just 4 people and no enemies on the map, so god knows how bad it gets later on.
Uninstalled, hopefully this will be fixed back to a playable level, as it has some interesting features behind all its broken mechanics and weapons.
I think there are more useful additions then just the collision changes like the inventory and loadout systems which would imo be good changes even with vanilla mechanics. I personally think ammo adds a lot to the survival feel of the game but if it were to become a vanilla system it would most likely be simplified somewhat. That said there are already some really micromanagy mechanics in vanilla like passive clothing decay which is WAY more annoying then ammo in this mod.
The combat I could see going either way but the vanilla system definitely feels like it devolves into tower defense way more which is a big negative for me. I do think some of the concepts in CR combat could be integrated into vanilla in a way that would improve the experience and make the game less forced into kill boxes in the late map stages.
I would gladly see reload mechanics from CR in vanilla. Number of bullets in magazines, and heat level of laser weapons. Plus new loadout but in changed more friendly version. With CR or Tools for haul having grenades make sense. But this is discussion for other topic.
Now I know why NIA stopped development of this mod. So many features to handle and every new alpha changed so many things that he needed to be rewrite code. Sisyphean labours.
Quote from: Britnoth on August 05, 2016, 06:08:20 AM
Quote from: Reviire on August 05, 2016, 01:52:29 AM
Quote from: Tynan on August 03, 2016, 11:53:08 AM
Awesome to see this coming back. Thanks skyark!
You should totally just add this to the base game.
Um, no.
The fixes to collision are nice and should be looked at adding to vanilla.
Adding in the totally overpowered weapons in CR? hell no. 1 man with an incendiary launcher can solo sieges or ship parts.
Having a hand held, accurate, AoE weapon that can kill a centipede in 3-4 shots is just ridiculous.
Adding in the ridiculously deadly combat that kills people in 1 burst? Even more hell no.
Once you get get a few good guns, you can fend off stupidly large raids with them. More deadly guns favour the defender, which is already easy enough as it is. Equally, any mistake or lack of micro results in dead colonists left and right. This makes actually fighting with your guys even more risky for new players, forcing newbies to rely even more on turrets than they already do.
Adding in gun nut fetishist levels of weapon types and ammunition? Hell no.
Rockets are the only single use item in vanilla for good reason. For every person that likes the ammo, I suspect there are a dozen that do not.
And once you have machining up, making ammo is available and just becomes a micromanagement. At least the mod has auto equip....
But by the looks, this 'update' is just a straight copy judging by the huge numbers of things that are now broken. I only played for 10 days and noticed an FPS drop on speed 3. Log showed an error every tick lagging the game with just 4 people and no enemies on the map, so god knows how bad it gets later on.
Uninstalled, hopefully this will be fixed back to a playable level, as it has some interesting features behind all its broken mechanics and weapons.
Did you have turrets built when you got the repeating error? I had some turrets set up and started getting a traverse parms error evert tick until I removed them.
Quote from: Reviire on August 05, 2016, 06:20:10 AM
It doesn't need to be forced, just an option. But if it's maintained by one of the developers of the game, we never have to worry about it completely breaking on a new version. But, yes this does make fighting risky, which is the fun part. You don't need to resort to giant killboxes filled with automatic turrets either, which is pretty great.
Also uh, making ammo isn't micro management, you do know you can automate this stuff right?
Pretty sure this is not going to happen. Tynan already stated that he is not going to be supporting on/off options for different engine mechanics. He stated that 75% of his time is maintaining the existing game not adding new features. Imagine what it would be having to code and balance two entirely different combat engines.
Instead, we have a modding community and now the scenario system.
Second, yes I am well aware of CR's addition to the assign tab. Once you have ammo crafting set up and enough guns, it is no longer a real (tactical) concern. Which is half the reason why I wouldn't like it in the base game: once you get machining researched and some bills set up, all it does is have pawns walking around a lot more reequipping themselves rather than doing proper work.
Hell, once you have a few pirate raids, you don't even need machining to replace ammo used.
Perhaps 'Micromanagement' is the wrong word here - what I mean to say is, it adds busywork to the pawns themselves from using the autoequip weapons and ammo, while also adding another layer of setup to the player that is a source of making stupid mistakes that screw you over - ie wrong ammo type, that are from the level of micro in the game instead of a gameplay driven threat.
It does not add anything to the game outside low ammunition type weapons. Which is what we have the one use rocket weapons for in vanilla.
Finally: If you want the game to not be filled with killboxes, stop filling your game with killboxes. The choice is yours.
Quote from: Vek17 on August 05, 2016, 07:11:55 AM
I think there are more useful additions then just the collision changes like the inventory and loadout systems which would imo be good changes even with vanilla mechanics. I personally think ammo adds a lot to the survival feel of the game but if it were to become a vanilla system it would most likely be simplified somewhat. That said there are already some really micromanagy mechanics in vanilla like passive clothing decay which is WAY more annoying then ammo in this mod.
The combat I could see going either way but the vanilla system definitely feels like it devolves into tower defense way more which is a big negative for me. I do think some of the concepts in CR combat could be integrated into vanilla in a way that would improve the experience and make the game less forced into kill boxes in the late map stages.
Inventory from CR totally breaks vanilla game balance on its own by allowing you to carry multiple weapons for whichever situation you need them for.
Long range? Sniper rifle. Short range? PDW/SMG. Melee attacker? Swap to your trusty plasteel knife. This removes choice and makes the game less interesting. This was all discussed in the threads asking for a secondary weapon to carry.
Passive clothing decay is not in the least bit micromanagement. Set a min clothing quality of 50% and they will swap out their clothes for something else when it falls below that.
On that point, removing ammo and multiple weapon carry from CRs inventory changes just leaves you with autoequiping a gun. That could be added to the vanilla apparel assign tab I guess. But not strictly needed. Having players have to think about what gun to give someone is the one item you actually need to micro in the game.
Quote from: Yoso on August 05, 2016, 08:59:04 AM
Did you have turrets built when you got the repeating error? I had some turrets set up and started getting a traverse parms error evert tick until I removed them.
No, I never play with turrets outside of speed runs to space. All I had was the conventional starting rifle, pistol and knife and a couple guns dropped by a raid. It was only day 10.
Error every tick was : 'Cannot cast from source type to destination type' which is the same error I got when SK updated Pawn State Icons I think.... ironically enough.
Quote from: Britnoth on August 05, 2016, 11:20:40 AM
Passive clothing decay is not in the least bit micromanagement. Set a min clothing quality of 50% and they will swap out their clothes for something else when it falls below that.
That is only true if you want colonists wearing whatever happens to be laying around, trying to manage what they wear like having everyone wear Devilstrand that you make is annoying as hell especially without something like colony manager to keep your crafting automated since you cannot create bills based on specific stockpiles just overall colony inventory.
That said this isn't the place for me to gripe about vanilla woes.
Quote from: Britnoth on August 05, 2016, 11:20:40 AM
On that point, removing ammo and multiple weapon carry from CRs inventory changes just leaves you with autoequiping a gun. That could be added to the vanilla apparel assign tab I guess. But not strictly needed. Having players have to think about what gun to give someone is the one item you actually need to micro in the game.
Generally in Vanilla this just means I give everyone assault rifles because it is the most general purpose high performing weapon, swap to grenades if getting raided though a choke maybe but there is little to no thought in loadouts in vanilla.
1) The one thing I like most about Combat Realism is that, with CR installed, people actually die when shot. Imagine that?
No more raiders tanking multiple rifle rounds to the torso, sprinting across an open field with their hearts and lungs blasted out.
No more animals tanking multiple arrows, requiring my tribal hunters to spend literal hours of in-game time sitting there, launching arrows into a downed animal in order to kill it.
2) "Allowing only one weapon is balanced"!
What? I don't think I have ever heard about someone in real life that, when engaged in close combat, dropped their firearm and proceeded to Mike Tyson it up. No, in real life, we have these sorts of things: holsters, shoulder straps, knife sheaths, etc.
Things specifically designed to let us carry more than one tool at once. Not having them is asinine. Forcing pawns to fistfight someone when they get too close is laughable.
If the inventory system works, and it does, then why shouldn't it be introduced into the base game?
I could deal with not having the ammo system implemented (that is, a static supply that can run out. Having specific magazine sizes is nice, as well as reloading), but the lethality of weapons and the inventory system, in my opinion, needs to be implemented. Playing without it is difficult. Before it was updated, I played a colony and I had a raider tank 5 different connecting rifle shots ( 2 in the torso, one in the head, one in the arm and one in the leg), all over the body, and she managed to charge in and shank my colonist, then mentally break and wander around for half a day before dying of blood loss.
Nonsense. Absolute fucking nonsense. I force-quit the game in disgust
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The default combat system, for me basically boils down to "if brawler, sword+personal shield. Else AR" and gratuitous use of kill boxes or just turrets everywhere. Part of this is due to the amazingly short ranges of most weapons (not being able to shoot something 100 tiles away with something that was designed to kill two kilometers away is just annoying), the amazing ability to take three shots to the head and live of most pawns, and the fact that you can build turrets. Just the last one alone drives me to this mod. Oh, and ofcourse there is the "I have rifle! Lets hit dude with fists instead of with one end of it!" thing. This does exist with CR, but its far, far easier to deal with.
In fact, just the amazing ability of anyone to live through kill shots is what has basically made the game unplayable to me without this mod. Well, that and the amazing utility of shotguns.
Quote from: Boston on August 05, 2016, 04:28:34 PM
1) The one thing I like most about Combat Realism is that, with CR installed, people actually die when shot.
That's what makes it worth the price of admission for me, too. I like it when gun fights are terrifying. I like the fact that a single stray bullet can radically change the entire game. I was just playing a little last night with CR and a whole set of other mods (despite the occasional glitch) and my best shooter, a retired soldier who was the sort of big guy of few words who was the universally loved protector of my camp, took a pistol wound to the spine. I was on the edge of my seat, unsure whether he'd ever walk again.
I love the fact that this mod makes guns
scary. Playing without it is much less fun to me.
Yes, there are absolutely balance issues. When a 72-year-old grandmother with dementia and a bad back can execute a thrumbo with a 12-gauge loaded with buckshot, that's a balance issue. But overall I think CR is an
improvement on the vanilla game's gun combat, while still remaining very much imperfect (even absent the bugs).
As for the other stuff, somebody said recently, I can't remember where, that the vanilla game too easily devolves into tower defense. I agree very much with that sentiment. Not to be overly critical of the vanilla game; it's obviously really good. But if we're being honest, in the absence of CR I find the player-versus-opponent part of the game a lot less interesting, personally, than the player-versus-environment part of the game.
I've been enjoying the hell out of this mod in all of its insanely buggy glory, thank you very much for the update, skyarkhangel!
Seems this degenerated into
QuoteNo, in real life, we have these sorts of things:
I don't care. This is a game.
If you want realism, go play some first person shooter from some AAA publisher.
Or this mod (when fixed).
Stop trying to impose you view that all games need to be so damn super realistic on the rest of us. It is getting really old.
Quote from: Britnoth on August 05, 2016, 05:39:45 PM
Seems this degenerated into
QuoteNo, in real life, we have these sorts of things:
I don't care. This is a game.
If you want realism, go play some first person shooter from some AAA publisher.
Or this mod (when fixed).
Stop trying to impose you view that all games need to be so damn super realistic on the rest of us. It is getting really old.
Seems like you might be posting in the wrong thread, given your qualms. Everyone else here thoroughly enjoys the mod soooooo...
Quote from: Maviaux on August 05, 2016, 06:14:00 PM
Seems like you might be posting in the wrong thread, given your qualms. Everyone else here thoroughly enjoys the mod soooooo...
Exactly. this is the CR thread, not the suggest mods to go into vanilla game thread. Otherwise I'd not have replied to it. 8)
Quote from: jefferyharrell on August 05, 2016, 05:17:48 PM
Quote from: Boston on August 05, 2016, 04:28:34 PM
1) The one thing I like most about Combat Realism is that, with CR installed, people actually die when shot.
Yes, there are absolutely balance issues. When a 72-year-old grandmother with dementia and a bad back can execute a thrumbo with a 12-gauge loaded with buckshot, that's a balance issue.
I mean, where did the thrumbo get shot?
It doesn't matter how big something is, or how tough, if you put a bullet in the right spot,
it will die.
Case in point: You know about elephants? Largest land creatures on the planet? Using a surplus .303 rifle, which is almost literally the in-game survival rifle, WDM Bell would kill them with a single shot to the head. Using a .275 caliber rifle, he killed over
1000 elephants, using 1.5 shots per elephant.
http://www.chuckhawks.com/bell_elephants.htm
Quote from: Britnoth on August 05, 2016, 05:39:45 PM
Seems this degenerated into
QuoteNo, in real life, we have these sorts of things:
I don't care. This is a game.
If you want realism, go play some first person shooter from some AAA publisher.
Or this mod (when fixed).
Stop trying to impose you view that all games need to be so damn super realistic on the rest of us. It is getting really old.
Cry more. This is a discussion forum, specifically for the mod
COMBAT REALISM. We are discussing realism in Rimworld combat. Don't want to talk about that, and instead want to bitch about people talking about said topic? Go somewhere else.
Quote from: Britnoth on August 05, 2016, 05:39:45 PM
Seems this degenerated into
QuoteNo, in real life, we have these sorts of things:
I don't care. This is a game.
You do know that this is CR right? If you dont like realism why the hell are you in this thread.
If you want realism, go play some first person shooter from some AAA publisher.
Or this mod (when fixed).
Stop trying to impose you view that all games need to be so damn super realistic on the rest of us. It is getting really old.
Quote from: Boston on August 05, 2016, 07:01:05 PM
I mean, where did the thrumbo get shot?
Okay, valid point, but there's still the playability side of things to consider. Regardless of whether it's realistic, if there's some aspect of the game that boils down to "Do this simple thing and you will never lose" then that's an area in which the game can stand to be improved a little. It's less about making the game challenging (i.e., harder) than it is about making it
interesting, i.e. not exactly the same in every situation.
Take hunting more generally for example. One way in which hunting is made interesting is the fact that you don't always have something to hunt! Wildlife comes and goes with the season. But one opportunity for improvement lies, in my opinion, in the fact that your pawns can walk right up to an elk and blast it at point-blank range right between the eyes. Hunting would be more
interesting if animals avoided pawns. Maybe tie it to the animal skill; the higher a pawn's animal skill the closer it can get to wildlife before they bolt. A pawn with high animal skill and high melee skill can be an effective hunter by clubbing wildlife to death. Contrariwise, a hunter with high shooting skill can kill wildlife from range ... though the first shot will cause all the surviving critters to scatter, meaning you can't just wipe out whole herds in one go.
This is all pretty far off topic for the thread, but I'm just trying to illustrate my point: I think realism is awesome, I really do. But I think it has to be balanced against an interesting and fun game. "This is realistic" isn't a trump card. If it's realistic and tedious or whatever, then I think tedious outweighs realistic.
Just my two cents, obviously. I'm just a player.
Shooting a thrumbo and killing it with one shot isn't "simple", though. Your shooter was lucky.
Shooting a thrumbo with a shotgun and hitting it in the lungs, heart and spine (effectively killing it in one shot) is far different from shooting it in the stomach, filling its guts with buckshot, which pisses it off and causes it to wipe your colony. Which is more likely?
Shooting things in vital areas should kill them. I don't care what it is.
I have also felt that about hunting and animals for a long time. Making animals just plain run away from your hunters would make hunting 1) harder, so you don't have multiple freezers full of meat after 3 days, 2) more interesting, and 3) more realistic.
Quote from: Boston on August 05, 2016, 07:36:19 PM
Shooting things in vital areas should kill them. I don't care what it is.
While that is true I don't think animals as a whole are properly balanced with this mod (both in terms of part hit chances and health and general durability) but that is a bit outside of the scope of this mod and would limit compatibility with other mods that mess with animals. I am thinking about playing with it a bit to get something I like better once CR14 gets in a more stable state for my own gameplay though.
The act of 1-shotting any pawn in this game with this mod is a matter of luck. Hit chances are if anything actually more sane with CR as it takes into effect an altitude variable for potential hit spots. In vanilla, a colonist behind a sandbag can be hit in the foot. In CR, the same colonist will more than likely be hit the exposed upper-body with the altitude variable in play.
If you don't like getting your vital organs 1-2 shot by higher caliber rounds, put some effort into building armor so early-mid game raids with the weaker ballistics are less likely to actually penetrate your armor past relying on generic clothes to save you from bullets.
Is there any chance of getting an ammo free version of this?
Quote from: pez5150 on August 05, 2016, 09:46:51 PM
Is there any chance of getting an ammo free version of this?
It's pretty easy to do. In Weapon_Guns.xml under Mods/Combat Realism/Thingdefs remove <ammoset>Somebullets</ammoset> i think it was
Turrets are a whole different story, you need to remove the entire ammo class thing for each turret.
I like the ammo, but where do I make more. I thought it said the machining bench, but there is no ammo there. Not being able to reload is a little disappointing when the raider come running. lol
Quote from: Sarelth on August 05, 2016, 11:55:37 PM
I like the ammo, but where do I make more. I thought it said the machining bench, but there is no ammo there. Not being able to reload is a little disappointing when the raider come running. lol
Might need more research.
Quote from: Sarelth on August 05, 2016, 11:55:37 PM
I like the ammo, but where do I make more. I thought it said the machining bench, but there is no ammo there. Not being able to reload is a little disappointing when the raider come running. lol
Ammo is crafted at a loading bench which has the same tech requirements as the machining table.
Never found a loading bench, but I probably was just bug eyed from my day. Will look again later when I play again. Must take a break from computer. Maybe I will even where my glasses then. lol
How do you remove the loadout generator? Removing <ammoset> from guns results in the loadout generator throwing errors every bloody tick and it makes playing games at 3x speed impossible.
Updated with bugfixes and some new stuff :)
https://github.com/skyarkhangel/CombatRealism/releases
Hello Skyark!
Thank you so much for the update. After a small test in dev mode i found the manhunter job(it is a job right?) not working properly. Both incomming event animals and animals that want revenge and all with the manhunter status is only moving around regularly and attacking in case they end up in melee combat. I dont get any log messages for it, or atleast no obvious messages, so game might be thinking this is the correct behaviour.
Should have tested more before I posted. It seems like the "suppression jobs" aren't working as intended either. People dont seem to be hunkering down when shot at by 3 guerilla rifles with full auto. Might still have missed something.
Quote from: Toob on August 06, 2016, 04:22:22 PM
Hello Skyark!
Thank you so much for the update. After a small test in dev mode i found the manhunter job(it is a job right?) not working properly. Both incomming event animals and animals that want revenge and all with the manhunter status is only moving around regularly and attacking in case they end up in melee combat. I dont get any log messages for it, or atleast no obvious messages, so game might be thinking this is the correct behaviour.
Hello! Fixed and updated. Thanks :)
Quote from: Toob on August 06, 2016, 05:09:18 PM
Should have tested more before I posted. It seems like the "suppression jobs" aren't working as intended either. People dont seem to be hunkering down when shot at by 3 guerilla rifles with full auto. Might still have missed something.
Yep, bcs currently specially disabled due to the constant vine. While, I think how to change it.
How does this mod interact with other mods that add new weapons? Examples like RT's Weapon Pack, Rimsenal - Ferals, and Glitter Tech?
Has anyone else encountered a bug where you can't reload even though you have the right ammo type? I made a LMG and at first it was shooting fine then when it went to reload it said "Out of ammo", even though I had 300 rounds of the 7.62mm equipped. I even tried equipping all other ammo types I had on hand thinking the LMG is bugged but nothing works.
Quote from: RetPaladinlol on August 06, 2016, 06:31:11 PM
Has anyone else encountered a bug where you can't reload even though you have the right ammo type? I made a LMG and at first it was shooting fine then when it went to reload it said "Out of ammo", even though I had 300 rounds of the 7.62mm equipped. I even tried equipping all other ammo types I had on hand thinking the LMG is bugged but nothing works.
Change type of ammo for reload. Right click on reload button .
Quote from: Lem Wright on August 06, 2016, 06:12:10 PM
How does this mod interact with other mods that add new weapons? Examples like RT's Weapon Pack, Rimsenal - Ferals, and Glitter Tech?
until authors of this mod make compatible version. Far as I know, RT already in progress.
Quote from: RetPaladinlol on August 06, 2016, 06:31:11 PM
Has anyone else encountered a bug where you can't reload even though you have the right ammo type? I made a LMG and at first it was shooting fine then when it went to reload it said "Out of ammo", even though I had 300 rounds of the 7.62mm equipped. I even tried equipping all other ammo types I had on hand thinking the LMG is bugged but nothing works.
There are two types of 7.62mm ammo: 7.62x51mm NATO, and 7.62x54mmR. The former is used for sniper rifles, the latter for LMGs; ensure your colonist has the correct one in their inventory.
Is Combat Realism Defense updated?
Is the EPOE and Rimfire patch currently working?
Quote from: Lem Wright on August 06, 2016, 07:40:10 PM
Is Combat Realism Defense updated?
Is the EPOE and Rimfire patch currently working?
I updated CR Defense for A14 a few days ago: http://www.mediafire.com/download/vkd574a4z7cwanz/CombatRealism+Defence.zip (http://www.mediafire.com/download/vkd574a4z7cwanz/CombatRealism+Defence.zip)
It should be compatible with all future versions of CR for A14, unless features are changed that impact the added turrets.
The CR-EPOE patch from A13 should still be valid for A14 from what I can see, but I'm not 100% sure.
Tried testing the latest version 1.6.7.1 and encountered the following still:
-Molotovs and incendiary mortars now make fire but cause a constantly logged error after detonation. FPS drops really low if a few are detonated.
-Haven't figured out how to reproduce it but a bug occurred in your original release and the current release. Mortar occasionally bugs out and when it fires an error is logged and no shell is fired. from output_log:
Bullet_81mmMortarShell_HE73699 tried to register out of bounds at (-2147483648, 0, -2147483648). Destroying.
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/generated/common/runtime/UnityEngineDebugBindings.gen.cpp Line: 37)
Tried to get valid region out of bounds at (-2147483648, 0, -2147483648)
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/generated/common/runtime/UnityEngineDebugBindings.gen.cpp Line: 37)
Bullet_81mmMortarShell_HE73699 tried to de-register out of bounds at (-2147483648, 0, -2147483648)
-Not sure if its a bug or just the consequence of having a lot of projectiles generated with HE mortar shells deonating but theres a dramatic fps drop when they do so. Not sure if this is just inevitable.
-Shotguns still produce a casing per projectile shot, try shooting buckshot or birdshot to see a ton of casings produced per shot.
-Still can't target ground with mortars, requiring a pawn or structure to target.
-Turrets still log errors every tick as soon as they have ammo and log an additional error every tick when a target is in range. Unsure if you touched on it with your latest patch.
Hunting appears to bug out. When they first had ammo, they hunted just fine. They didn't actually kill anything, but they tried to hunt just fine. Once they had to reload, it all went to hell, and now they won't hunt at all. I can't even get them to manually reload, despite over a thousand rounds of ammo sitting right next to them. They're using Sniper Rifles with 7.62x54mmR cartridge (FMJ), and it worked fine originally. I can't have them reload undrafted. I can't have them do it drafted. Assigning a uniform/loadout does nothing. Having them drop the weapons and ammo and pick them back up does nothing.
I'm not sure if this is an actual bug, or if I'm screwing up on my end, or what. It worked originally, with that exact ammo and weapon combo, and now it doesn't.
Do I have the ammo wrong?
Edit: Nevermind, got it.
Updated 1.6.7.3:
https://github.com/skyarkhangel/CombatRealism/releases
I think finally fixed incendiary (filth) bug
Add new molotov's animation.
Mortars can target any location.
Some other changes.
About "dramatic fps loss". I plan to reduce the number of fragments about ~3-4 times, instead increase the strength. At the moment some of HE bombs spread on detonation about ~400-500 fragments.
Just want to say I really appreciate the effort you are putting into getting this mod running again.
Tested the latest version.
Good things:
-Molotov and incendiary no longer cause errors or hella fps drop after a few are detonated.
-Shot a bear and it got properly pissed and chased the colonist instead of bumbling around with the manhunter status (it's working).
-Mortar worked to target ground.
-Turrets work, no errors at all.
Stuff that's still to go, not sure what the "Some other changes" was so may be repeating stuff that wasn't addressed yet:
-When force targeting for the mortar it shows the icon of a charge rifle alongside the mouse cursor. Does not impair functionality of the mortar but it just looks weird.
-Shotgun still spews a casing for each projectile shot.
-Mortar still occasionally bugs out and errors on firing and doesn't actually shoot a shell. Still not sure how to get a consistent reproduction.
Rad work getting this working.
edit, few more issues found:
-Forced fire functionality is possibly bugged; after setting a target for force fire for either a turret or mortar, the firing entity will not respond to cancel force fire to cancel the shot or to a second force fire action for a different target until the firing piece shoots (The turret/mortar has to shoot before it will respond to canceling or for a different target to force fire at).
-Also noticed that mortar shell's speed varies based on distance, is this intended to simulate a steeper arc for more air time or should mortar shells have a consistent speed? Firing at minimum range has a really slow shell while shooting with a mortar at one corner of the map to the other corner has a much faster shell. (Feels REALLY slow though at short range so even if that is the case it probably should go faster)
Quote from: Jalordon on August 06, 2016, 11:33:16 PM
-Forced fire functionality is possibly bugged; after setting a target for force fire for either a turret or mortar, the firing entity will not respond to cancel force fire to cancel the shot or to a second force fire action for a different target until the firing piece shoots (The turret/mortar has to shoot before it will respond to canceling or for a different target to force fire at).
-Also noticed that mortar shell's speed varies based on distance, is this intended to simulate a steeper arc for more air time or should mortar shells have a consistent speed? Firing at minimum range has a really slow shell while shooting with a mortar at one corner of the map to the other corner has a much faster shell. (Feels REALLY slow though at short range so even if that is the case it probably should go faster)
Both of those were present in A13 if I recall correctly. I'd certainly prefer if Cancel Force-Fire actually got auto-turrets/mortars to stop their current firing cycle, though!
I started playing when A14 came out so I am unaware of what issues already existed, haven't tried to look for a list of old issues.
Trying to add a custom faction to the game, I'm unable to get them to spawn with the ammo they need. They only spawn with the loadout generator dummy, which is an issue. Does anyone know how this works?
I was only recently introduced to Rimworld, and in that short time I have found that Combat Realism is a wonderful addition, and I'd like to thank NoImageAvailable for developing and Skyarkhangel for continuing development on the mod. Though there's one thing that bugs me, and that's the bulk/weight penalties to move/work. Not saying it isn't realistic, or that it doesn't make sense during an attack, but when there aren't raiders at the gates, you can either micromanage your pawns picking up their gear every time they go somewhere possibly dangerous or hunting, or take an annoying hit to your efficiency. Who the heck holds onto a LMG while they're stonecutting? Just set it down, pawn! Though I'm assuming that setting it to only have an effect while a raid is in progress would be overly complicated.
I've spent about three hours trying to tweak it, but the whole thing is hidden in the DLL, and the closest I've come to unpacking that has thrown errors on several portions of the library (looking at you CompProperties_ExplosiveCR), so recompiling it would just break the whole thing. That was using Telerik JustDecompile, which got me the furthest along. I tried using the Microsoft Visual Studios but it just gave me some strange error when trying to install.
Skyarkhangel, I can see that you've not left the DLL alone, so could you tell me what tools you are using to update it? I'd much appreciate it, and gladly dive back in and mess around with it without breaking it before I've touched a thing.
Quote from: Szara on August 07, 2016, 07:53:00 AM
I was only recently introduced to Rimworld, and in that short time I have found that Combat Realism is a wonderful addition, and I'd like to thank NoImageAvailable for developing and Skyarkhangel for continuing development on the mod. Though there's one thing that bugs me, and that's the bulk/weight penalties to move/work. Not saying it isn't realistic, or that it doesn't make sense during an attack, but when there aren't raiders at the gates, you can either micromanage your pawns picking up their gear every time they go somewhere possibly dangerous or hunting, or take an annoying hit to your efficiency. Who the heck holds onto a LMG while they're stonecutting? Just set it down, pawn! Though I'm assuming that setting it to only have an effect while a raid is in progress would be overly complicated.
I've spent about three hours trying to tweak it, but the whole thing is hidden in the DLL, and the closest I've come to unpacking that has thrown errors on several portions of the library (looking at you CompProperties_ExplosiveCR), so recompiling it would just break the whole thing. That was using Telerik JustDecompile, which got me the furthest along. I tried using the Microsoft Visual Studios but it just gave me some strange error when trying to install.
Skyarkhangel, I can see that you've not left the DLL alone, so could you tell me what tools you are using to update it? I'd much appreciate it, and gladly dive back in and mess around with it without breaking it before I've touched a thing.
That's actually one of my favorite features. I let everybody walk around with a pistol but give a rifle to hunters. When there's a raid I switch everyone's uniforms and loadouts to include armor and proper combat weapons then watch them all go running to the armory to kit up. There's not much micromanaging, you just switch loadouts.
Quote from: Szara on August 07, 2016, 07:53:00 AM
I was only recently introduced to Rimworld, and in that short time I have found that Combat Realism is a wonderful addition, and I'd like to thank NoImageAvailable for developing and Skyarkhangel for continuing development on the mod. Though there's one thing that bugs me, and that's the bulk/weight penalties to move/work. Not saying it isn't realistic, or that it doesn't make sense during an attack, but when there aren't raiders at the gates, you can either micromanage your pawns picking up their gear every time they go somewhere possibly dangerous or hunting, or take an annoying hit to your efficiency. Who the heck holds onto a LMG while they're stonecutting? Just set it down, pawn! Though I'm assuming that setting it to only have an effect while a raid is in progress would be overly complicated.
I've spent about three hours trying to tweak it, but the whole thing is hidden in the DLL, and the closest I've come to unpacking that has thrown errors on several portions of the library (looking at you CompProperties_ExplosiveCR), so recompiling it would just break the whole thing. That was using Telerik JustDecompile, which got me the furthest along. I tried using the Microsoft Visual Studios but it just gave me some strange error when trying to install.
Skyarkhangel, I can see that you've not left the DLL alone, so could you tell me what tools you are using to update it? I'd much appreciate it, and gladly dive back in and mess around with it without breaking it before I've touched a thing.
First of all, welcome to Rimworld!
Loadout system was balanced in previous version, even now it's good. Maybe you want to much from your Pawns? OK, hauling your LMG is not comfortable but why to go with it in first place? Make light loadout with small arms, like PDW or pistol, and spare ammo, and then tools. Remember that backpack gives significant boost to bulk limits so its good to have it on a Pawn. Weight limits are linked to movement stat so if you give your pawn bionic legs than he can carry more. It's good to have some bunkers on perimeter with ammo and bigger guns in equipment racks. Also hunting is really efficient with small range guns like shotguns or PDW and rifles only for good shooters. In the beginning i like to target small creatures and go hunting with spear or knife, something with decent DPS and lower cooldown. Latter with guns. The key is always to spend some time to create good loadouts and use it accordingly to situations, and resources you have. This and good priority setting (I recommend Fluffy's Work Tabs with Dwarf Fortress-like job worktab) will make you and your Pawns happy :) I know you didn't want to read this but CR is a big project, I think it was to big for NIA alone, even with some help and making changes to AI to take decisions for having best outfits for the situation can be tricky also expanding bulk/weight over current limits would make it, well, unrealistic in many users opinion, and we're talking about Combat REALISM mod ;)
Sorry for big wall of tekst, I'm waiting for version with less bugs but now I see Skyarkhangel updated it so maybe I give it a try. I hope that Sky's team will make CR playable for every new Rimworld versions.
Quote from: Szara on August 07, 2016, 07:53:00 AM
I was only recently introduced to Rimworld, and in that short time I have found that Combat Realism is a wonderful addition, and I'd like to thank NoImageAvailable for developing and Skyarkhangel for continuing development on the mod. Though there's one thing that bugs me, and that's the bulk/weight penalties to move/work. Not saying it isn't realistic, or that it doesn't make sense during an attack, but when there aren't raiders at the gates, you can either micromanage your pawns picking up their gear every time they go somewhere possibly dangerous or hunting, or take an annoying hit to your efficiency. Who the heck holds onto a LMG while they're stonecutting? Just set it down, pawn! Though I'm assuming that setting it to only have an effect while a raid is in progress would be overly complicated.
I've spent about three hours trying to tweak it, but the whole thing is hidden in the DLL, and the closest I've come to unpacking that has thrown errors on several portions of the library (looking at you CompProperties_ExplosiveCR), so recompiling it would just break the whole thing. That was using Telerik JustDecompile, which got me the furthest along. I tried using the Microsoft Visual Studios but it just gave me some strange error when trying to install.
Skyarkhangel, I can see that you've not left the DLL alone, so could you tell me what tools you are using to update it? I'd much appreciate it, and gladly dive back in and mess around with it without breaking it before I've touched a thing.
You shouldn't have to decompile CR, Github includes the entire source project that you can open with Visual Studio or whatever.
You can kinda fix what you want with just XML editing, though. Rather than remove the movement/work speed modifiers entirely, just increase the effectiveness of backpacks/tac-vests/etc and the base weight/bulk capacity of colonists, so you can effortlessly carry that LMG around with no noticeable penalties. More info (https://www.reddit.com/r/RimWorld/comments/4uv42e/as_soon_as_combat_realism_gets_updated_to_a14/d5tcue2)
I have a bug with taming (probably also training) animals. First if my pawn can't carry all that food it throws "10 action" error on pickup. Second when pawn can carry it he just picks it up and immediately put it back on the floor.
Thank you both for the information, but I've found a glitch now, unrelated to the bulk and weight which I haven't changed yet. CR is not playing nicely with something, somewhere, and ends up preventing traders and yourself from being able to trade silver and a few other items in the trade window.. But only when CR is loaded after whatever the problem is. After a while of troubleshooting (disabling two mods, restarting, creating a new world) I've only found out that it isn't CR alone, nor does the conflict seem to be with GlitterTech, EbD prepare carefully, Vegetable Garden, DE surgeries, and a few other mods I've already forgotten which ones I've tested or not.. Also it doesn't seem that actually generating a new world and colony is necessary to fix the problem after the load order has been sorted. At least I'm not getting any debug messages.
The error which showed in the log was approximately "Tried to make non-stockable thing for trader stock: silver" , substituting silver for a small handful of other items like medicine.
CR version is the 1.6.7.3 A14 SK update by Skyarkhangel (Latest at the time of this post).
Since I solved it by changing the load order I'm obviously not looking for a solution, just putting this up here in case anyone else runs across it.
Also, one of my favorite things about CR has become beanbags rounds for the shotgun. Prisoners rioting in my hellhole cell? I know exactly which pawn is ending that mess!
Quote from: Drusek on August 07, 2016, 11:52:21 AM
I have a bug with taming (probably also training) animals. First if my pawn can't carry all that food it throws "10 action" error on pickup. Second when pawn can carry it he just picks it up and immediately put it back on the floor.
That is a bug with loadouts right now, you can get pawns unstuck but changing their loadout to an empty one as a work around.
Something that would be nice is a "or" option in load outs, particularly with mods that add in more guns in the same calibers.
Can somebody help me figure out why my colonists are neglecting the fact I have ammo in the stockpile for their weapons which they are refusing to pick up...I don't even have a reload button for the guns they have in their hands and I know everything is compatible.
Quote from: Kato_Terrance on August 07, 2016, 04:07:06 PM
Can somebody help me figure out why my colonists are neglecting the fact I have ammo in the stockpile for their weapons which they are refusing to pick up...I don't even have a reload button for the guns they have in their hands and I know everything is compatible.
No reload button means that you didn't installed it right. Make sure to restart game every time you install mod, (close it and run again because CCL's restart option doesn't always do it right). Make sure you have CR right after core and CCL. Of course new colony with CR installed is needed. Also make sure you use loadouts correctly ;)
Thanks for the help it is now working correctly cheers.
Quote from: Jalordon on August 06, 2016, 07:51:41 PM
-Haven't figured out how to reproduce it but a bug occurred in your original release and the current release. Mortar occasionally bugs out and when it fires an error is logged and no shell is fired. from output_log:
Bullet_81mmMortarShell_HE73699 tried to register out of bounds at (-2147483648, 0, -2147483648). Destroying.
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/generated/common/runtime/UnityEngineDebugBindings.gen.cpp Line: 37)
Tried to get valid region out of bounds at (-2147483648, 0, -2147483648)
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/generated/common/runtime/UnityEngineDebugBindings.gen.cpp Line: 37)
Bullet_81mmMortarShell_HE73699 tried to de-register out of bounds at (-2147483648, 0, -2147483648)
Yes, i know about this bug, it happens when projectile calculates the miss into the outside the game map and shell lost.
Also, if explosive wave affects on end map border will the same error.
Perhaps it would be a good idea, to open a new thread, Skyarkhangel ... maybe "[A14]Combat Realism - Reborn" or something like this.
This would give you the ability to edit the Opening Posting (and, for example, keep the link to the newest version updated, as well as put infos to the newest version therein) :)
Oh and thanks for updating the mod, after the original creator has left the ship :)
Hey, thanks so much for updating the base mod. It feels so good having my 15 shooting guy dome an entire tribe of raiders across the map.
Any plans to update the defense portion of the mod too?
Quote from: ActionCow on August 09, 2016, 09:47:10 PMAny plans to update the defense portion of the mod too?
http://www.mediafire.com/download/vkd574a4z7cwanz/CombatRealism+Defence.zip
Quote from: Kagemusha12 on August 09, 2016, 06:29:53 PM
Perhaps it would be a good idea, to open a new thread, Skyarkhangel ... maybe "[A14]Combat Realism - Reborn" or something like this.
This would give you the ability to edit the Opening Posting (and, for example, keep the link to the newest version updated, as well as put infos to the newest version therein) :)
Oh and thanks for updating the mod, after the original creator has left the ship :)
I'll think about it. Currently already have some reworks, which would require to update all CR compatibility patches that add weapons. At first need to work and work with CR, so we will not hurry with the opening of a new thread.
Quote from: skyarkhangel on August 10, 2016, 05:20:44 AM
Quote from: Kagemusha12 on August 09, 2016, 06:29:53 PM
Perhaps it would be a good idea, to open a new thread, Skyarkhangel ... maybe "[A14]Combat Realism - Reborn" or something like this.
This would give you the ability to edit the Opening Posting (and, for example, keep the link to the newest version updated, as well as put infos to the newest version therein) :)
Oh and thanks for updating the mod, after the original creator has left the ship :)
I'll think about it. Currently already have some reworks, which would require to update all CR compatibility patches that add weapons. At first need to work and work with CR, so we will not hurry with the opening of a new thread.
Mind sharing what some of those re-works are? Also, will explosions be fixed any time soon?
So, I've started trying to do compatibility patches for CR and other mods as something of a personal project because I figured it'll help me learn more about Rimworld modding, while having the convenient side effect of getting me compatible versions of mods that I want for my ideal modpack.
The trouble is, I'm not clear on what precisely needs to be done to make a mod Combat Realism compatible. I've poked around in the XML of a few mods enough to see the obvious things (CR weapons have a different set of tags), but I'm not sure if there are farther reaching changes that need to be made elsewhere as well (specifically, I haven't seen anything about height that I can remember). Compounding that, I'm not entirely sure what all the CR tags do-- most of the names make intuitive sense, but without units on them it's hard to say what appropriate values would be.
Other questions I've been wondering about:
Do mods adding manned/unmanned turrets require anything extra? I think I saw recall a post on More Vanilla Turrets indicating that their turrets will never fire when CR is installed. I assume it's a height thing?- If a mod adds any form of cover, I'm guessing it needs a height value as well? Where should that go? I haven't found a good example to work from.
- I don't THINK armor needs compatibility work, but... I'm learning on the fly here, so I could be completely wrong. If it does, what does that entail?.
In short, I'd appreciate a crash course on what CR is doing and how I go about working with it. If anyone with experience could give me a brief rundown, I'd appreciate it a lot. I'm programming savvy, so you don't need to dumb things down too much for me. I have also seen the modding tutorials on the wiki and started working through them-- I haven't finished, but you don't need to worry about explaining the basics of Rimworld modding in general. Info specific to CR is all I really need, assuming anyone has that knowledge lying around and feels like sharing. If not... well, trial and error and in-depth research it is. I'm reasonably sure I CAN figure this out myself, I'm just trying to save some time and effort.
Anyway, longpost is long. Sorry if I rambled a bit there. Thanks for reading, and thanks in advance for any help you guys (and gals) can offer.
PS- Not sure if anyone cares, but the specific mod I'm looking at right now is Medieval Times, with my goal possibly expanding to include GlitterTech and/or More Vanilla Turrets if I think I can do so with a reasonable amount of effort. If the work seems REALLY easy, I might even try to do Rimsenal... but that adds a lot of weapons, and a quick look at stats doesn't make them seem super balanced to begin with, so doing a good job on that would be hard.
Hey, Skyarkangel, any chance you could change Throwbigexplode so rather than calling a specific mote, we could define it under the projectile? I'd like to change the mote that some explosions use.
Hi guys, looking for some advice here. I would like to remove certain ammo types from the mod. For example with the Assault Rifle I just want to keep the FMJ type ammo and remove the HP and AP type from the game. Which lines in the xml would I have to tinker with in order to do this? I also want enemies to only spawn with the FMJ ammo type. This will make the game a lot less cluttery for me.
Quote from: RetPaladinlol on August 12, 2016, 05:00:17 AM
Hi guys, looking for some advice here. I would like to remove certain ammo types from the mod. For example with the Assault Rifle I just want to keep the FMJ type ammo and remove the HP and AP type from the game. Which lines in the xml would I have to tinker with in order to do this? I also want enemies to only spawn with the FMJ ammo type. This will make the game a lot less cluttery for me.
Just remove the ammoset line for the assault rifle, IIRC it uses FMJ as a default.
Quote from: Reviire on August 12, 2016, 05:08:22 AM
Just remove the ammoset line for the assault rifle, IIRC it uses FMJ as a default.
Thanks for the reply Reviire. I removed the ammoset line for all the weapons in the Weapons_Guns xml but that just got me unlimited ammo and enemies will now fail to reload their weapons. Any other suggestions or did I mess up?
Quote from: RetPaladinlol on August 12, 2016, 06:53:50 AM
Quote from: Reviire on August 12, 2016, 05:08:22 AM
Just remove the ammoset line for the assault rifle, IIRC it uses FMJ as a default.
Thanks for the reply Reviire. I removed the ammoset line for all the weapons in the Weapons_Guns xml but that just got me unlimited ammo and enemies will now fail to reload their weapons. Any other suggestions or did I mess up?
Oh you wanted to remove certain ammo types, my bad. You'll fine various ammo related stuff in the mods folder at ThingDefs_Ammo (Which defines the ammo and what projectile it's linked to), AmmoSetDefs (which does something like telling what ammo types are part of what ammosets), and AmmoCategoryDefs, which also is relevant.
Great, thank you. Will mess around with those files to see what I can do.
Random question: Are hash collisions a bad thing? Because I am playing with the error and thus far have no adverse effects that I am aware of. I know the error is because of me changing the mod order of CR
Quote from: Exende on August 13, 2016, 10:29:11 AM
Random question: Are hash collisions a bad thing? Because I am playing with the error and thus far have no adverse effects that I am aware of. I know the error is because of me changing the mod order of CR
Errors in general are generally bad.
There doesn't seem to be any visual effect for thermobaric weapons, though they still do damage. Also, my colonists no longer seem to carry a meal with them so if they get hungry while outside the base they have to walk all the way back.
Quote from: Sylph on August 14, 2016, 03:27:33 AM
There doesn't seem to be any visual effect for thermobaric weapons, though they still do damage. Also, my colonists no longer seem to carry a meal with them so if they get hungry while outside the base they have to walk all the way back.
If you don't put in your loadout meal, then they won't carry it. The only scenario that pawn will carry food without loadout is when he is a trainer but then you can have loop where he will try to put it into inventory and drop it on the ground. So my advise is
GIVE YOUR TRAINER A NOTHING LOADOUT. it's the only way he won't use autoload mechanics :)
For some reason both scythers and centipedes have 'poor' (60%) movement at full health.
(CCL + vanilla tweaks v0.14.2.1.7 , CR 1.6.7.3)
Are there any colonist weapons that use the Scythers 5x35mm Charged Cartridges?
Charge Rifles use 6x24mm, so they seem to be useless for them ... therefore I currently wonder whether I should melt them or if there is some other weapon further down the tech tree (haven't reearched everything yet) that uses them
Quote from: Kagemusha12 on August 15, 2016, 09:02:07 PM
Are there any colonist weapons that use the Scythers 5x35mm Charged Cartridges?
Charge Rifles use 6x24mm, so they seem to be useless for them ... therefore I currently wonder whether I should melt them or if there is some other weapon further down the tech tree (haven't reearched everything yet) that uses them
Specifically for the Scyther charge lance, IIRC. Melt them down.
Quote from: Reviire on August 16, 2016, 04:25:54 AM
Quote from: Kagemusha12 on August 15, 2016, 09:02:07 PM
Are there any colonist weapons that use the Scythers 5x35mm Charged Cartridges?
Charge Rifles use 6x24mm, so they seem to be useless for them ... therefore I currently wonder whether I should melt them or if there is some other weapon further down the tech tree (haven't reearched everything yet) that uses them
Specifically for the Scyther charge lance, IIRC. Melt them down.
Thanks :)
Can anybody else replicate this bug with CR?
1 - Spawn in
2 - Create a crafting spot
3 - Create a stockpile
4 - Make a short bow (any quality)
5 - Equip short bow
6 - Drop short bow on floor (outside of stockpile)
7 - Let the short bow be interacted with and hauled to stockpile
8 - Short bow will change to normal quality upon entering stockpile
Other weapons seem to be fine (I've tested the shiv and club), just the short bow that seems off.
Is anyone else not able to have colonists pick up ammo, nor reload their weapon?
I do have EPOE, and the patch that goes along with it. Any solutions?
Edit: I figured out the problem. My CCL wasn't up to date.
Did you restart the game between setting up the mods and playing?
Quote from: AseaHeru on August 16, 2016, 02:40:39 PM
Did you restart the game between setting up the mods and playing?
Yes, I tried that.
I'm not sure what is causing this, but it seems that explosive weaponry does no damage whatsoever. Whenever I am under mortar bombardment, the mortars do no damage to items, buildings, or creatures. I have the high calibre mod with the patch to make it compatible with Combat Realism, and the Colonial Marine weapons mod. Any idea what's causing this?
I don't know if this comes from CCL or from Realistic Weaponry, but in my game, sieges don't drop any steel.
Instead the siegers go for the nearest steel supply on the map (which usually is the supply in my fortress). Something that, of course, leads to desaster, as the haulers get killed and afterwards, the siegers do a frontal attack on my fortress, resulting in them fleeing as fast as possible, after the next 2 or 3 of them get killed during the attack ;)
I also have no-siege-steel bug, so I have to spawn it manually, I assume it's CR issue.
Also every time I sell something to a caravan, stuff goes to traders inventory and makes him too heavy to move efficiently, resulting in death from starvation.
That sounds strange. Steel drops fine for my raids, and traders just drop what they cant carry, which is amusing.
Apparently you can't use pila with this mod, is that a known bug?
Hey, no matter where my colonists any pawn gets hit, they die after taking ~50 damage (not mechanoids and animals). Say, they get hit in their leg, index finger and torso for 18 damage each - leg is almost gone, finger is shot off and torso's damaged - but it's nothing lethal, yet the victim's dead. Is this CR's doing? If so, the mod should be renamed to Combat Realism.
@mazacik @Razzoriel
are you using newest version from skyarkhangel? Pila worked form me after few patches, and didn't see anything horrible with killing my pawn when he was shoot many times with LMG.
EPOE (actually I don't know exactly because it was recently changed), body changing mods, weapon mods, faction mods, and many others need compatibility patches.
Quote from: mazacik on August 18, 2016, 09:55:49 AM
Hey, no matter where my colonists any pawn gets hit, they die after taking ~50 damage (not mechanoids and animals). Say, they get hit in their leg, index finger and torso for 18 damage each - leg is almost gone, finger is shot off and torso's damaged - but it's nothing lethal, yet the victim's dead. Is this CR's doing? If so, the mod should be renamed to Combat Realism.
I can more or less verify this - just had a raider die with 32 torso damage/17 spine. Didn't seem like enough to kill him.
I've had this happen during surgery from two botches while augmenting a colonist, 20 cut to a leg 30 cut to the torso and they died.
I cannot say anytrhing about 50 damage,
but I always check the wounds of the raiders that get killed ...
and all too often I also wondered why they got killed, because they just had wounds to arms and legs
(and often enough, all of them of a non bleeding kind)
I believe those deaths are pain related. People get incapacitated by pain and the storyteller decided if they die or become downed instead based on thier population limits.
Quote from: Vek17 on August 18, 2016, 07:20:32 PM
I believe those deaths are pain related. People get incapacitated by pain and the storyteller decided if they die or become downed instead based on thier population limits.
On a new colony my chars were mining and came across a crypto sleep chamber and opened the caskets to reveal 2 angry pawns. In the ensuing unarmed melee that followed both of these (previously uninjured) pawns were killed from a multitude of bruises from unarmed damage, totaling 50 points once again.
If I still had access to A13 or older I'd check to see if this is an old issue or something new with A14, hopefully someone else can look into it?
Quote from: Vek17 on August 18, 2016, 07:20:32 PM
I believe those deaths are pain related. People get incapacitated by pain and the storyteller decided if they die or become downed instead based on thier population limits.
I had two colonists and this was a lone raider, on Randy, so I doubt it was related to pop limit.
I have Hardcore SK installed which uses CR and was patched by sky. Version from 16-8-2016. My pawn is downed but not killed this are his injuries:
-Tail (yes its an Orassan) 0/9 Torn off
-Left Leg 0/27 shoot-off
-Right leg 19/27
-Left hand 7/18
that's total 55 BUT it's Orassan and with Tail it has 9 HP more than human but less on hands. 85% Pain - Extreme. Lets see what human can endure.
Next subject Human:
-Right hand 8/20
-Pelvis 13/25
-Right lung 8/20
-Torso 26/50
-Head 22/30
Total: magic 69 and downed not killed. 85% Pain - Extreme
I don't know but this are bad wounds so maybe there is an mechanism that check if pawn die from pain or its related to difficulty level I'm playing on challenging. Or my math is incorrect :P
Also if someone could check HP body levels from pawns and compared to what I pasted.
Raiders keep spawning with the "loadout generator" dummies. While they still do drop regular ammo when they die, it's still pretty annoying. Does anyone know what could be causing this? All of my mods, including CR and CCL, are up to date to the most recent versions.
My mods: http://i.imgur.com/Edp8y67.png (http://i.imgur.com/Edp8y67.png)
Pic of the dummie item in a raider's inventory: http://i.imgur.com/Ha3d4JP.png (http://i.imgur.com/Ha3d4JP.png)
EDIT: Never mind. Seems if I leave it for a second after the raid begins, the dummy disappears and everything is as it should be. I apologize for the useless post.
What's the formula for armor damage reduction? I know it works on a flat reduction basis, but beyond that I really have no idea. What does "30%" mean in Combat Realism, for example?
Quote from: Pax_Empyrean on August 20, 2016, 03:19:26 PM
What's the formula for armor damage reduction? I know it works on a flat reduction basis, but beyond that I really have no idea. What does "30%" mean in Combat Realism, for example?
I'm going completely off an assumption here, but I think the damage might be calculated with something like Damage x ((Armour - Penetration) / 100). Plus a deflection chance based on armor.
Found this on the steam forums
Latest version of Combat Realism mod with a WORKING no ammo patch that doesn't have all the bad side effects of modding it out yourself
Combat Realism - No Ammo Alternative
http://www.mediafire.com/download/s59q85is9g46i05/CombatRealism-1.6.7.3-NoAmmo.zip
not compatible with old games
This mod should be incorporated into the core game
Quote from: TrashMan on August 22, 2016, 06:53:01 AM
This mod should be incorporated into the core game
I disagree.
While I likie it and use it, I assume that many players would find it too hard (especially due to the much higher bleeding rate)
some of the basic functions would be nice though for the main game.
hold your fire and such is pretty awesome
Quote from: Killaim on August 22, 2016, 08:44:59 AM
some of the basic functions would be nice though for the main game.
hold your fire and such is pretty awesome
That is odd as I find the game is significantly easier with CR then without since gunfights always favor the defenders by a large margin.
Quote from: Kagemusha12 on August 15, 2016, 09:02:07 PM
Are there any colonist weapons that use the Scythers 5x35mm Charged Cartridges?
Charge Rifles use 6x24mm, so they seem to be useless for them ... therefore I currently wonder whether I should melt them or if there is some other weapon further down the tech tree (haven't reearched everything yet) that uses them
Well my mod (Orassans) adds a weapon that use 5x35 charged ammo ;)
why im getting black screen when starting rimworld with this mod? anyone can help?
Quote from: Kagemusha12 on August 22, 2016, 08:29:03 AM
Quote from: TrashMan on August 22, 2016, 06:53:01 AM
This mod should be incorporated into the core game
I disagree.
While I likie it and use it, I assume that many players would find it too hard (especially due to the much higher bleeding rate)
With tweaks, of course.
If you add in something like field triage (stabilizing a wounded colonist when picked up), the higher bleed rate should be less of an issue.
Also, the very fact that limbs are far harder to shot off already make it superior to the core game, when a pistol blasts off legs and arms galore.
Is it possible to set a (custom) key binding for the reload button? That would be fantastic.
I'm getting a weird issue (this is what I think is happening): I set up one of my colonists to as animal trainer and I have a husky waiting to be trained for hauling. He, the colonist, is also assigned a kit for mining (just a pickaxe). In order to train the husky he needs to pick up some food and put it in his inventory, but that's not compatible with his loadout (or something), so he
immediately drops it back on the ground. Then he picks it up again. Then drops it. Then picks it up again. He proceeds to do this continually at such a rapid pace that it actually throws errors ("colonist has started 10 new jobs in the past 10 ticks" or something) and the game locks him into "Standing" mode until I manually draft him a few times till he gets the message.
I've trained animals just fine before with CR, so I'm not sure what the issue is. Only change since then is I added in the EPOE patch (not sure if that's still necessary, but everyone kept mentioning it, and I also use EPOE), but I'm skeptical that's it after looking it over.
I could be wrong in my reading of the events. Prioritizing "train husky" works and he carries the food over fine, but then immediately goes back to his dropping it on the ground routine after training finishes.
Any ideas?
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With tweaks, of course.
If you add in something like field triage (stabilizing a wounded colonist when picked up), the higher bleed rate should be less of an issue.
Also, the very fact that limbs are far harder to shot off already make it superior to the core game, when a pistol blasts off legs and arms galore.
There is a mod for field surgery. Called...Field Surgery. By JT.
Quote from: Deimos Rast on August 24, 2016, 03:19:00 AM
I'm getting a weird issue (this is what I think is happening): I set up one of my colonists to as animal trainer and I have a husky waiting to be trained for hauling. He, the colonist, is also assigned a kit for mining (just a pickaxe). In order to train the husky he needs to pick up some food and put it in his inventory, but that's not compatible with his loadout (or something), so he immediately drops it back on the ground. Then he picks it up again. Then drops it. Then picks it up again. He proceeds to do this continually at such a rapid pace that it actually throws errors ("colonist has started 10 new jobs in the past 10 ticks" or something) and the game locks him into "Standing" mode until I manually draft him a few times till he gets the message.
I've trained animals just fine before with CR, so I'm not sure what the issue is. Only change since then is I added in the EPOE patch (not sure if that's still necessary, but everyone kept mentioning it, and I also use EPOE), but I'm skeptical that's it after looking it over.
I could be wrong in my reading of the events. Prioritizing "train husky" works and he carries the food over fine, but then immediately goes back to his dropping it on the ground routine after training finishes.
Any ideas?
Well spotted, I already reported it here:
https://github.com/skyarkhangel/CombatRealism/issues/5
workaround:
assign kibble or other animal friendly food items to your equipment loadout for tamers
Well that's well known bug other workaround is to set this colonist loadout as "Nothing" it's the only loadout that has no autoequip function.
Quote from: Grogfeld on August 24, 2016, 11:14:01 AM
Well that's well known bug other workaround is to set this colonist loadout as "Nothing" it's the only loadout that has no autoequip function.
Yeah, that's the solution I came to.
using the latest github version:
Could not find type named Combat_Realism.ThingDef_CaseLeaver from node <ThingDef Class="Combat_Realism.ThingDef_CaseLeaver" Abstract="True"><category>Projectile</category><tickerType>Normal</tickerType><altitudeLayer>Projectile</altitudeLayer><thingClass>Combat_Realism.BulletCR</thingClass><label>.56-56 Spencer rimfire bullet</label><useHitPoints>False</useHitPoints><neverMultiSelect>True</neverMultiSelect><graphicData><shaderType>Transparent</shaderType><texPath>Things/Projectile/Bullet_Small</texPath><graphicClass>Graphic_Single</graphicClass></graphicData><projectile Class="Combat_Realism.ProjectilePropertiesCR"><damageDef>Bullet</damageDef><speed>63</speed><damageAmountBase>10</damageAmountBase><armorPenetration>0.15</armorPenetration></projectile><defName>Bullet_5656Spencer</defName></ThingDef>
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/generated/common/runtime/UnityEngineDebugBindings.gen.cpp Line: 37)
Could not find type named Combat_Realism.ThingDef_CaseLeaver from node <ThingDef Abstract="true" Class="Combat_Realism.ThingDef_CaseLeaver"><category>Projectile</category><tickerType>Normal</tickerType><altitudeLayer>Projectile</altitudeLayer><thingClass>Combat_Realism.BulletCR</thingClass><label>.22 LR bullet (FMJ)</label><useHitPoints>False</useHitPoints><neverMultiSelect>True</neverMultiSelect><graphicData><shaderType>Transparent</shaderType><texPath>Things/Projectile/Bullet_Small</texPath><graphicClass>Graphic_Single</graphicClass></graphicData><projectile Class="Combat_Realism.ProjectilePropertiesCR"><damageDef>Bullet</damageDef><speed>68</speed><damageAmountBase>6</damageAmountBase><armorPenetration>0.25</armorPenetration></projectile><defName>Bullet_22LR_FMJ</defName></ThingDef>
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/generated/common/runtime/UnityEngineDebugBindings.gen.cpp Line: 37)
Could not find type named Combat_Realism.ThingDef_CaseLeaver from node <ThingDef Abstract="true" Class="Combat_Realism.ThingDef_CaseLeaver"><category>Projectile</category><tickerType>Normal</tickerType><altitudeLayer>Projectile</altitudeLayer><thingClass>Combat_Realism.BulletCR</thingClass><label>.22 LR bullet (HP)</label><useHitPoints>False</useHitPoints><neverMultiSelect>True</neverMultiSelect><graphicData><shaderType>Transparent</shaderType><texPath>Things/Projectile/Bullet_Small</texPath><graphicClass>Graphic_Single</graphicClass></graphicData><projectile Class="Combat_Realism.ProjectilePropertiesCR"><damageDef>Bullet</damageDef><speed>68</speed><damageAmountBase>8</damageAmountBase><armorPenetration>0.2</armorPenetration></projectile><defName>Bullet_22LR_HP</defName></ThingDef>
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/generated/common/runtime/UnityEngineDebugBindings.gen.cpp Line: 37)
Could not find type named Combat_Realism.ThingDef_CaseLeaver from node <ThingDef Abstract="true" Class="Combat_Realism.ThingDef_CaseLeaver"><category>Projectile</category><tickerType>Normal</tickerType><altitudeLayer>Projectile</altitudeLayer><thingClass>Combat_Realism.BulletCR</thingClass><label>.500 S&W Magnum bullet (FMJ)</label><useHitPoints>False</useHitPoints><neverMultiSelect>True</neverMultiSelect><graphicData><shaderType>Transparent</shaderType><texPath>Things/Projectile/Bullet_Small</texPath><graphicClass>Graphic_Single</graphicClass></graphicData><projectile Class="Combat_Realism.ProjectilePropertiesCR"><damageDef>Bullet</damageDef><speed>82</speed><damageAmountBase>17</damageAmountBase><armorPenetration>0.35</armorPenetration></projectile><defName>Bullet_500SW_FMJ</defName></ThingDef>
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/generated/common/runtime/UnityEngineDebugBindings.gen.cpp Line: 37)
Could not find type named Combat_Realism.ThingDef_CaseLeaver from node <ThingDef Abstract="true" Class="Combat_Realism.ThingDef_CaseLeaver"><category>Projectile</category><tickerType>Normal</tickerType><altitudeLayer>Projectile</altitudeLayer><thingClass>Combat_Realism.BulletCR</thingClass><label>.500 S&W Magnum bullet (HP)</label><useHitPoints>False</useHitPoints><neverMultiSelect>True</neverMultiSelect><graphicData><shaderType>Transparent</shaderType><texPath>Things/Projectile/Bullet_Small</texPath><graphicClass>Graphic_Single</graphicClass></graphicData><projectile Class="Combat_Realism.ProjectilePropertiesCR"><damageDef>Bullet</damageDef><speed>82</speed><damageAmountBase>20</damageAmountBase><armorPenetration>0.275</armorPenetration></projectile><defName>Bullet_500SW_HP</defName></ThingDef>
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/generated/common/runtime/UnityEngineDebugBindings.gen.cpp Line: 37)
Quote from: Exende on August 25, 2016, 12:38:02 AM
using the latest github version:
Blatantly Rimfire v2.1 for CombatRealism 1.6.7.3 being ran with a different CombatRealism version
Are you sure you downloaded CombatRealism 1.6.7.3 (releases (https://github.com/skyarkhangel/CombatRealism/releases)) rather than the master branches' 98th commit? Is the mod folder called CombatRealism or CombatRealism-1.6.7.3?
Rimfire v2.1 for CombatRealism 1.6.7.3 ("Rimfire 2.1 CR") was built for the 1.6.7.3 release. The upcoming CR release will be using a different method of dropping casings (which I wrote) and this method removes the older ThingDef_CaseLeaver which explains the errors.
Omg I am silly, disregard, i right this in the rimfire thread too .-.
Quote from: NoImageAvailable on May 08, 2016, 08:45:28 AM
Just uploaded the 1.6.5 release. It mainly updates melee weapons to A13 by adding bulk, weight and armor penetration stats to melee weapons. With this the mod is fully updated to A13 and out of pre-release. It is also the last update I will do as I am leaving Rimworld modding permanently.
With the complete lack of not only any real support for modding but even base consideration for it (almost every alpha brings with it new internal changes like making various public variables private, which does not affect the base game in any way but breaks mods and makes modding harder than it needs to be) and a number of smaller annoyances like the out of touch community management (Tynan unstickying genuinely useful threads such as well-maintained mod lists while leaving redundant ones up, complete lack of communication on issues such as the whole private variabls thing, that sort of stuff) modding Rimworld has become more of a hassle than it ought to be. At this point I just no longer have the motivation to deal with it all. The only thing keeping me was the fact I wanted to bring CR into a semi-complete state before I go. I did have plans for a melee combat overhaul before I go but since the loadout system took up more time than originally anticipated I have decided to can those plans.
Since people asked for it in the past I have uploaded the ODS sheets with all the weapon stats I used for balancing to github so anyone interested in making gun mods compatible with this can look up how the stats are calculated (keep in mind though, that while the sheets include data for Project Armory guns that data hasn't been updated since the last PA release and is heavily outdated). The zip file also includes my personal todo list where I still have a number of outstanding issues and plans for the future, in case anyone else decides to pick up this project (although somehow I don't see that happening).
sucks to see a great mod leave community, this game is going to be unplayable to me without CR
Quote from: Brokeskull on August 26, 2016, 02:00:47 AMsucks to see a great mod leave community, this game is going to be unplayable to me without CR
Somebody else has already picked it up. It's not dead.
That said, we really need a new thread for this so people coming here to find it won't see a Nietzsche-esque "MOD IS DEAD" message on the first post.
Maybe a mod would be so kind as to edit the first post with a note re-directing to the new thread? (If there is one)
Quote from: Pax_Empyrean on August 26, 2016, 02:11:04 AM
a Nietzsche-esque "MOD IS DEAD" message
This made me laugh and laugh and laugh.
Is the CR-EPOE patch still the same as it was in the OP? Someone said it might be but nobody verified.
Quote from: FudgePoly on August 27, 2016, 02:05:24 PM
Is the CR-EPOE patch still the same as it was in the OP? Someone said it might be but nobody verified.
Yes that patch still works just fine.
can someone link me the CR-EPOE patch, i don't know witch one i sould be using
It's in the OP, the CR-EPOE patch in the compatibility section. Just change the targetVersion in About.xml to avoid getting a "mod outdated" error.
In master branch ready 1.6.7.4 version. But i am not hurry to move in release. Because, will require update all CR pathes, that add weapon. 1.6.7.3 not compatible with 1.6.7.4!
Whats new?
Quote from: skyarkhangel on August 27, 2016, 08:42:53 PM
In master branch ready 1.6.7.4 version. But i am not hurry to move in release. Because, will require update all CR pathes, that add weapon. 1.6.7.3 not compatible with 1.6.7.4!
So you're saying any patch that adds new weapons will need to be updated to be compatible with 1.6.7.4?
Quote from: Adalah217 on August 27, 2016, 10:50:19 PM
Quote from: skyarkhangel on August 27, 2016, 08:42:53 PM
In master branch ready 1.6.7.4 version. But i am not hurry to move in release. Because, will require update all CR pathes, that add weapon. 1.6.7.3 not compatible with 1.6.7.4!
So you're saying any patch that adds new weapons will need to be updated to be compatible with 1.6.7.4?
Yes, there are some changes to how a few things are handled with ammunition and casings but looking at it quickly there isn't a ton to change that I can see and it shouldn't be too bad migrating from 1.6.7.3 to 1.6.7.4
<isBigGunDropper>True</isBigGunDropper>
<isShotgunShellDropper>True</isShotgunShellDropper>
<ThingDef Class="Combat_Realism.ThingDef_CaseLeaver">
</ThingDef>
to
<projectile>
<dropsCasings>true</dropsCasings>
<casingMoteDefName>Mote_BigShell</casingMoteDefName>
</projectile>
<projectile>
<dropsCasings>true</dropsCasings>
<casingMoteDefName>Mote_ShotgunShell</casingMoteDefName>
</projectile>
<ThingDef>
</ThingDef>
and additionally it is now possible to do the following to cause specific guns not to drop casings (e.g shotgun with brass catcher or charge rifle):
<verbs>
<li Class="Combat_Realism.VerbPropertiesCR">
<ejectsCasings>false</ejectsCasings>
</li>
</verbs>
Are you going to wait to update CR to A15 before the release of 1.6.7.4 or are you still targeting A14?
Does anybody know how possible it would be to add sky's version to a pre-existing save? I have a colony I am fairly happy with and don't wish to start anew. Any save file magic I can do to make it work? Every time I try to launch a save, I am faced with a NullReferenceException relating to the map compression I believe (relevant logging here: http://i.imgur.com/r7v5ziQ.png). Any and all help appreciated!
Depends on if you can edit enough of the file on your own to transfer everything over.
Hrum, I wonder how difficult it would be to make it possible to have the same sort of weapon in different calibers. For instance, some people rechamber their 1911s to fire 22LR in real life, and there are some guns that have been notable for being in dozens of calibers.
For that matter, I wonder how difficult it would be to have procedurally generated weapons, to have a group of raiders come in, for instance, with a bolt action rifle chambered in 5.56NATO and a smg letting off bursts of .40 rimfire.
Quote from: AseaHeru on August 28, 2016, 11:53:46 PM
Depends on if you can edit enough of the file on your own to transfer everything over.
I've tried my best to transfer everything related to CR from a new save to the in-use one, but upon loading up I am still faced with that lovely little error. If you think you're adept enough, maybe I could send you my save and you could check it out? (and my mods list if you wish to test it)
Probably not. I get about as far as "This would be cool to see" before I wind up hopelessly confused and give up.
Quote from: AseaHeru on August 28, 2016, 11:53:46 PM
Hrum, I wonder how difficult it would be to make it possible to have the same sort of weapon in different calibers. For instance, some people rechamber their 1911s to fire 22LR in real life, and there are some guns that have been notable for being in dozens of calibers.
Probably pretty easy.
<verbs>
<li Class="Combat_Realism.VerbPropertiesCR">
<verbClass>Combat_Realism.Verb_ShootCR</verbClass>
<hasStandardCommand>true</hasStandardCommand>
<projectileDef>Bullet_45ACP_FMJ</projectileDef> <--------------------------
<warmupTicks>20</warmupTicks>
<range>10</range>
<soundCast>ShotPistol</soundCast>
<soundCastTail>GunTail_Light</soundCastTail>
<muzzleFlashScale>9</muzzleFlashScale>
</li>
</verbs>
<comps>
<li Class="Combat_Realism.CompProperties_AmmoUser">
<magazineSize>7</magazineSize>
<reloadTicks>180</reloadTicks>
<ammoSet>AmmoSet_45ACP</ammoSet> <--------------------------
</li>
</comps>
So, skimmed through the last few pages, is this mod in shape for A15, yet?
Quote from: Facepunch on September 02, 2016, 03:28:03 AM
So, skimmed through the last few pages, is this mod in shape for A15, yet?
Well it relies on CCL and CCL is not in shape for A15 yet, so that's a no. However, I've been watching the github repos for both, and they are being updated regularly. I suspect when CCL drops, CR will shortly after.
Hi, Im new to weapon mods and I cant seem to find these weapons in the machining table in a preexisting save.
Do I need to create a new colony ?
Quote from: ngcq1811 on September 02, 2016, 09:47:47 AM
Hi, Im new to weapon mods and I cant seem to find these weapons in the machining table in a preexisting save.
Do I need to create a new colony ?
That's the standard requirement with most mods
is all of this behind the research? wouldn't make sense as tribals to have access to bullet crafting.
The loading bench is behind machining.
Still waiting for full-auto. At least in heavy machine guns in CR defense.
All my hopes are in A15.
I have updated the A14 Compatibility patch for my Shields mod.
https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=18995.msg207264#msg207264
This mod being continued to A15 or is it fully fully dead now? FeelsBadMan
Quote from: LustrousWolf on September 10, 2016, 12:27:37 PM
This mod being continued to A15 or is it fully fully dead now? FeelsBadMan
No, it depends on CCL and CCL hasn't been updated yet. It has updates pending, but is on hold effective till CCL comes through.
Link to the CCL-free test version for Alpha 15, for those of whom missed it for 16+ days(like me) (https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=27374.0)
apparello work with combat realism 1.6.8?
Quote from: Pepelnica1488 on December 03, 2016, 08:24:17 PM
apparello work with combat realism 1.6.8?
yes, why wouldn't it work?
Hello,
May I ask a couple of questions?
I only played with this mod through SK Hardcore Modpack. I found out that, the units wont automaticly get the specific ammo onto its inventory. Is this a behavior added with this mod?
Is there a way to disable the need of ammo?
Thank you
Quote from: gustavoghe on December 25, 2016, 07:10:29 PM
Hello,
May I ask a couple of questions?
I only played with this mod through SK Hardcore Modpack. I found out that, the units wont automaticly get the specific ammo onto its inventory. Is this a behavior added with this mod?
Is there a way to disable the need of ammo?
Thank you
1. They will automatically get ammo for their inventory. You just need to setup a loadout for them. That is similar to the clothes outfits.
2. No, no way of disabling ammo without re-writing the mod.
Last, this version of the mod is basically abandoned at this point. You may want to check out the more recent versions, located in this thread: https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=27374.0