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Title: Psychopaths are upset by cannibalism
Post by: Didact04 on September 23, 2015, 12:27:44 AM
This seems like a kind of obvious oversight. Cannibalism is a moral crime, and if anyone in the entire world should care, it should not be a literal psychopath. That's their thing: they know it's wrong, but they DON'T care. That's why they're called psychopaths.

Psychopaths can sell people into slavery, calmly chop up prisoners for spare parts, murder anyone they want, treat anyone however they want, don't care if everyone around them suffers, but hand them a piece of jerk jerky and suddenly the line is drawn. Empathy sprouts out of nothingness and guilt appears: oh no, that's a human. I feel horrible. I am sad. I can feel and it is terrible.

Nah. That don't happen. Fix, please.
Title: Re: Psychopaths are upset by cannibalism
Post by: Bohb Daishi on September 23, 2015, 06:28:36 PM
I disagree. Being a psychopath and a cannibal are mutually exclusive. Just because you have zero empathy doesn't mean you have to enjoy cannibalism. You might find it amusing to force others to eat soylent green, but that doesn't mean you aren't grossed out at the thought of eating it yourself. Some psychopaths have standards.
Title: Re: Psychopaths are upset by cannibalism
Post by: zandadoum on September 24, 2015, 06:27:14 AM
maybe i am a psycopath, but i certainly do not like the taste of human flesh. also: i don't like brokoli!
Title: Re: Psychopaths are upset by cannibalism
Post by: cultist on September 24, 2015, 08:56:28 AM
A psychopath is still concerned about their own well-being and eating human flesh in large amounts is generally considered unhealthy, not just morally wrong. But I agree that the thought they get (oh no, I ate a human, it's horrible) is a little out of context.
Title: Re: Psychopaths are upset by cannibalism
Post by: NephilimNexus on September 24, 2015, 12:45:50 PM
Snip. Keep it on topic.
Title: Re: Psychopaths are upset by cannibalism
Post by: StorymasterQ on September 24, 2015, 08:57:46 PM
Quote from: NephilimNexus on September 24, 2015, 12:45:50 PM
Snip.
Even though the thread has not gone at all hot, I'm invoking Godwin's law (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law). This thread ought to be closed.
Title: Re: Psychopaths are upset by cannibalism
Post by: Didact04 on September 27, 2015, 04:09:23 AM
This is a bug report. I'm ignoring anything else and everyone else should too.

Psychopaths, while maybe concerned by the implications of said cannibalism, would not at all care to the degree someone else would. Maybe it's a slight debuff, maybe it's none at all, but regardless it feels like something of an oversight, or at least something that should be tweaked. If they are worried because of cannibalism, it would be more like worry of what it means to have to do that rather than horror at the act.

That's my two cents.
Title: Re: Psychopaths are upset by cannibalism
Post by: TLHeart on September 27, 2015, 06:45:15 PM
Sorry Didact04, psychopaths and cannibals are not related, have never been and will never be related. It is not a bug in the game, but a misunderstanding of what a psychopath is.
Title: Re: Psychopaths are upset by cannibalism
Post by: Bohb Daishi on September 28, 2015, 12:20:47 AM
Maybe what we need here is a different unhappy thought for psychopaths. Instead of the "I feel horrible" nonsense, they need something less severe like "I just ate another human being. It didn't taste as bad as I thought it would, but it was still pretty disgusting".
Title: Re: Psychopaths are upset by cannibalism
Post by: NuclearStudent on September 28, 2015, 12:52:13 AM
Quote from: Bohb Daishi on September 28, 2015, 12:20:47 AM
Maybe what we need here is a different unhappy thought for psychopaths. Instead of the "I feel horrible" nonsense, they need something less severe like "I just ate another human being. It didn't taste as bad as I thought it would, but it was still pretty disgusting".

+1

Raw Cannibalism

"Urgh. Human flesh. It tastes awful."

Cooked Cannibalism

"Cooked human flesh tastes disgusting. Who mixed it with fava beans?"
Title: Re: Psychopaths are upset by cannibalism
Post by: zandadoum on September 28, 2015, 09:34:48 AM
Well, psycho in game description clearly states they do not care about what happens to others, but they do about anything that affects them directly.

They are affected by cannibalism, not because it is the flesh of another human, which they don't care.

They just don't like it as a food source. Maybe it's the taste, maybe it's fear of prion diseases (google it) all tho they wouldn't be affected if they don't eat the brains.

In any case, this looks like "working as intended" to me.
Title: Re: Psychopaths are upset by cannibalism
Post by: LouisTBR on September 28, 2015, 01:24:28 PM
Quote from: Bohb Daishi on September 23, 2015, 06:28:36 PM
I disagree. Being a psychopath and a cannibal are mutually exclusive. Just because you have zero empathy doesn't mean you have to enjoy cannibalism. You might find it amusing to force others to eat soylent green, but that doesn't mean you aren't grossed out at the thought of eating it yourself. Some psychopaths have standards.

Yes, but the thought debuff for cannibalism is something along the lines of 'I just ate another human.' not 'Eww, I am not eating anything Eugene has cooked again.' The definition of a psychopath is someone who literally doesn't give a crap about anything.
Title: Re: Psychopaths are upset by cannibalism
Post by: zandadoum on September 28, 2015, 01:48:20 PM
Quote from: Louisthebadassrimworlder on September 28, 2015, 01:24:28 PM
The definition of a psychopath is someone who literally doesn't give a crap about anything.

wrong

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/psychopath

Quote
a person with a psychopathic personality, which manifests as amoral and antisocial behavior, lack of ability to love or establish meaningful personal relationships, extreme egocentricity, failure to learn from experience, etc.

for the Nth time, being psycopath has NOTHING to do with enjoying, not enjoying, liking, or not liking cannibalism.

they won't give a crap about others eating humans, that doesn't mean they're not disgusted by eating it themselves.

geez, ever seen "American Psycho" or Hitchcocks "Psycho"?
They were actually disgusted by a great deal of things, and focusing too much on stuff that personally disgusted them is what actually made them more of a psycho.
Title: Re: Psychopaths are upset by cannibalism
Post by: LouisTBR on September 28, 2015, 02:44:55 PM
It was a joke...  :o
Title: Re: Psychopaths are upset by cannibalism
Post by: StorymasterQ on September 28, 2015, 08:42:13 PM
Louis, there's no such thing as 'it was a joke' in a forum discussion :D Sarcasm can't travel through text, you see.
Title: Re: Psychopaths are upset by cannibalism
Post by: ison on April 11, 2016, 08:24:53 AM
zandadoum is correct. Thanks for the report though, locking.