It would be interesting if relationships could be attempted to be arranged,encouraging 2 people to chat, get to know each other, or vice versa. try to encourage fertility in the colony happiness, ect.
Course forcing it may have mixed results, but it would be funny to try, and see what happens from it
I feel like this shouldn't be under the player's control. There's not much reason not do this, so it effectively becomes a task for the player to complete instead of a random happy event. If the player takes control, you're less likely to see odd couples, as the player will attempt to create the best bondings to ensure the relationship doesn't sour and cause mood problems. I'm happy with the marriage system if the overall mood effects are toned down a bit.
you can conceivably do this by gaming the system. Just put the two pawns you want to hook up in an area for just themselves...they won't have anyone else to interact with and will maximize their chances of learning to like and then love each other.
Please note : first off, I said ENCOURAGE, by force. Arranged marriages obviously don't always work, and its not mind control by any means because it wouldn't always work.
I mean essentially take 2 people, and give an order for them to date, or marry...annnnnd they try, and perhaps it ends badly, but you could at least try.
That's how I made my sculptors man and wife.
I have a room with 2 sculptor tables facing each other.
They passed the days chatting and sculpting, an then they started a relationship.
yes, but that is borderline an exploit.....
I mean a formal order, from the leadership saying people should do it.
Quote from: mumblemumble on August 20, 2016, 11:01:45 PM
Please note : first off, I said ENCOURAGE, by force. Arranged marriages obviously don't always work, and its not mind control by any means because it wouldn't always work.
I mean essentially take 2 people, and give an order for them to date, or marry...annnnnd they try, and perhaps it ends badly, but you could at least try.
Uh...the title of your post is 'Shotgun weddings'...perhaps you misunderstand the meaning of the term... :)
no, I know the meaning, but I think its applicable still...say, 2 people screw, and the colony manager could force them to marry for it.
I don't think the idea is any good (aka : not to be left in player control) but it made me think of an event idea :
"The chief of [faction name] fell madly in love with [colonist name] and wish to kindly encourage her to come to him" (a raid arrive threatening to kidnap her...etc... choice...etc)
I know the idea isn't very refined or fitting with the gameplay, but that's a start.
But it certainly fits on the "more-faction-interaction"-wishlist.
If I want to make two compatible colonists start a relationship, I just assign them joy at the same time each day and work for the rest of the day. :)
Quote from: MarvinKosh on August 21, 2016, 10:42:24 AM
If I want to make two compatible colonists start a relationship, I just assign them joy at the same time each day and work for the rest of the day. :)
As stated before, this is wishful thinking and givin them a large chance, but not outright saying "you 2 are ordered to marry".
I personally would love to see consequences of it, perhaps force marriages, and arguments / disputes over it
Quote from: mumblemumble on August 21, 2016, 03:36:18 PM
Quote from: MarvinKosh on August 21, 2016, 10:42:24 AM
If I want to make two compatible colonists start a relationship, I just assign them joy at the same time each day and work for the rest of the day. :)
As stated before, this is wishful thinking and givin them a large chance, but not outright saying "you 2 are ordered to marry".
I personally would love to see consequences of it, perhaps force marriages, and arguments / disputes over it
I thought pregnancy was a requirement for a shotgun wedding, or at least prenuptial intercourse ?
prenuptial intercourse exists in rimworld.
its lovin, which happens before getting married
Quote from: SpaceDorf on August 21, 2016, 03:53:39 PM
I thought pregnancy was a requirement for a shotgun wedding, or at least prenuptial intercourse ?
It depends on when the shotgun is pointed at you by the dad and you are basically told to marry her girl for doing x or y to her.
Around here we have some particularly not so kosher folk around(imagine a cross between rednecks and gypsy's), it's common knowledge to not get involved with their girls(or with them in general), if the dad finds out you even kissed his daughter on the cheek, his shotgun will pronounce you husband and wife.
hmmm .. there where lots of shotguns on my weddings so far :)
We are not forced to follow history you know...
(http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/romance_in_settlers_times_5690.png)
I still consider it would be a violation of the game concept to give that control to the players, this sort of addition should only come from a third party like the AI or events.
ex :
- Background-based, trait-based, or tottaly random social approval or disapproval from other pawns of outside marriage relationship.
- Outside faction trying a forceful marriage/kidnapping.
- (Un)reasonable Family.
- A colonist not understanding that no, mean no.
Anyway the whole concept can become very tricky because it's basically very close to "player enforced rape", and we would need the other pawns to acknowledge/rage better if you arrest or not the culprit to ban him. Devs would be walking on eggs, explosive eggs.
We aren't forced to follow history, nor any moral compass.
Also, control is a very interesting concept in rimworld.
We CAN control in rimworld : Plans for future, orders given, orders to kill people, ending pawns lives, jailing people, giving people medicine, purchases, trying to keep people happy, ect.
we CANT control in rimworld : Emotions people have, what people think of other, someones free will IF they choose to not obey force. (you can try to force someone to stop say, lighting fires, but they are free to try and kill your drafted person) how their bodies will respond to trauma / health issues, ect.
So in this scenario, we could give the ORDER, and give an ULTIMATUM to obey the order, but the order could be disobeyed, perhaps even with consequences of fleaing the colony, violence, ect.
If you call this CONTROLLING THE PAWNS, its no worse than any control we have right now, in the fact that they will disobey if its bad enough for them.
Or throw a tantrum, maybe start a social fight.
You just brought domestic violence to the rim :)
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Completely different to the above.
I would marry my shotgun any day.
I don't see why we shouldn't have it : I personally think rimworld would be the best if every element of life, no matter how grim, or how you feel about it, would be there.
As for forcing, we will get the choice to force people to do drugs next update, so why not this?
I think forcing someone to smoke crack every day is a LITTLE worse than an arranged marriage by itself.
Quote from: mumblemumble on August 22, 2016, 04:07:51 PM
I don't see why we shouldn't have it : I personally think rimworld would be the best if every element of life, no matter how grim, or how you feel about it, would be there.
As for forcing, we will get the choice to force people to do drugs next update, so why not this?
I think forcing someone to smoke crack every day is a LITTLE worse than an arranged marriage by itself.
well queue the "my wife" and "your mama" jokes ..
Actually I've noted that everything we can "force" pawn to do are actions that do not change a pawn's "mentality".
For example : you can't force a non-violent colonist to use violence.
And ordering one to take beer don't give him the alcoholic trait, only make beer effect apply.
Or lastly ordering a pawn to arrest another one only retroactively imply a story happening, not create a personal grudge against the prisoner.
So... the original idea only stand if :
- If still don't actually influence the social interaction (meaning the pawn will break it or cancel it if it's still incompatible)
- There was several features linked (the events I talked about, or faction diplomacy)
- And if it meshed fluidly with all other interactions (by that I mean the social-system know how and why to enforce/break a forced marriage)
But even then it would stay a minor feature, only concerning those who care as there no real need for marriage to keep a colony working, not even if children were added to the game.
Polygamy or polyamory would make a greater addition as it happen naturally and can fit in easily.
I actually have a polyamorous girl in my colony at the moment.
She is married and has a lover(her stepson), every few days she changes her mind with whom of both she wants to sleep :)
Funny enough the boys are still friends and only the husband(father) has a bad oppinion of his wife.
I check if that changes, when she sleeps again with her husband.
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Back to "enforcing" weddings. Creating opportunities for Pawns to get together or keeping the Pawns away from each other so the don't end up in the hospital every other day sounds more like common sense to me than really "forcing" someone.
Think of those male/female cop-shows where everybody ends up married to each other after a few seasons.
Wow...what a girl. (never had anything spicy on my side :-[ )
Space-future culture will probably be very alien to ours but I hope the probability of that happening are reasonable, even if it's biased toward contemporary culture, it just create more pseudo-realism.
I see what you mean about "encouraging". I think the Area system is the best you can do before crossing the line I described.
If you force them in an area, you still don't force them to like each other.
However we would have to make sure there's no "easy exploit" that (in-practice) would be no different than brainwashing.
We allready have.
Just watch the rejection debuff stack while they try to woo each other.