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Title: Why do we have to capture and convince people to join when they crash land?
Post by: SwiftShadow on December 26, 2016, 07:25:00 AM
I feel like if you rescue them there should simply be a HIGH chance that they join ur colony. I mean they just crash landed on a remote planet all alone, with no food, no weapons, no place to call home. They should be asking me to join the colony and i decide to accept or send them away.

I just had someone crash land near me who is the wife of one of my colonists..... had the husband CAPTURE her and now he husband is trying to convince her to join the colony (with a 2-3% chance), like wtf lol. And bear in mind that  it is winter currently with a -15celcius to -20 celsius so she has no place to go, no food, no weapons, some bare bones clothes, her husband is in the colony, but NOOOO i dont want to join.
Title: Re: Why do we have to capture and convince people to join when they crash land?
Post by: Mkok on December 26, 2016, 07:51:10 AM
Perhaps she wanted to run away from her husband ;D
Title: Re: Why do we have to capture and convince people to join when they crash land?
Post by: Anomaly on December 26, 2016, 08:26:25 AM
I had the same scenario my first play through only my colonist rescued his wife.  I expected a touching reunion and a nice mood boost.

As soon as she was able to walk she hobbled, still injured, out of my colony and off the map. No place to go, no weapons and only a tattered shirt for clothing.

Title: Re: Why do we have to capture and convince people to join when they crash land?
Post by: Proxava on December 26, 2016, 08:47:00 AM
If you rescue them they'll join your colony with a high probability.

I tested it out at dev mode with 6 refugee pod crashes and 4 joined my colony after I processed a medical treatment on them.
Title: Re: Why do we have to capture and convince people to join when they crash land?
Post by: milon on December 26, 2016, 10:38:39 AM
Rescue = treat & release
Capture = arrest (with possibility of recruitment)

There are no other options.
Title: Re: Why do we have to capture and convince people to join when they crash land?
Post by: Jarwy on December 26, 2016, 12:10:44 PM
Quote from: Proxava on December 26, 2016, 08:47:00 AM
If you rescue them they'll join your colony with a high probability.

I tested it out at dev mode with 6 refugee pod crashes and 4 joined my colony after I processed a medical treatment on them.

Quote from: milon on December 26, 2016, 10:38:39 AM
Rescue = treat & release
Capture = arrest (with possibility of recruitment)

There are no other options.

So which one is it? I have personally never had anyone join my colony after rescue, but I'm notoriously unlucky.
Title: Re: Why do we have to capture and convince people to join when they crash land?
Post by: MikeLemmer on December 26, 2016, 01:01:16 PM
It was the latter in A15, it's now the former in A16. In A16, you can now rescue escape pod survivors; they have a very high chance of joining your colony afterwards.

The change was minor and not advertised well, hence why players still think you have to capture them.
Title: Re: Why do we have to capture and convince people to join when they crash land?
Post by: BlackSmokeDMax on December 26, 2016, 01:20:30 PM
Quote from: MikeLemmer on December 26, 2016, 01:01:16 PM
It was the latter in A15, it's now the former in A16. In A16, you can now rescue escape pod survivors; they have a very high chance of joining your colony afterwards.

The change was minor and not advertised well, hence why players still think you have to capture them.

If you 100% want them, you do still have to capture them correct? There is only a chance if you just rescue them if I am reading the other posts correctly.

I suppose you could rescue them, and if they don't join, you could just arrest them at that point.
Title: Re: Why do we have to capture and convince people to join when they crash land?
Post by: ZestyLemons on December 26, 2016, 01:43:37 PM
Quote from: Jarwy on December 26, 2016, 12:10:44 PM
Quote from: Proxava on December 26, 2016, 08:47:00 AM
If you rescue them they'll join your colony with a high probability.

I tested it out at dev mode with 6 refugee pod crashes and 4 joined my colony after I processed a medical treatment on them.

Quote from: milon on December 26, 2016, 10:38:39 AM
Rescue = treat & release
Capture = arrest (with possibility of recruitment)

There are no other options.

So which one is it? I have personally never had anyone join my colony after rescue, but I'm notoriously unlucky.

Rescue has a chance of them joining your colony as of Alpha 16.

The chance increases the more hostile the environment is. If there's no way they'll survive by themselves (e.g. very cold or very hot weather, toxic fallout), they'll almost always join. I've personally had 3 people join this way.
Title: Re: Why do we have to capture and convince people to join when they crash land?
Post by: Jarwy on December 26, 2016, 02:56:24 PM
Quote from: ZestyLemons on December 26, 2016, 01:43:37 PM
Rescue has a chance of them joining your colony as of Alpha 16.

The chance increases the more hostile the environment is. If there's no way they'll survive by themselves (e.g. very cold or very hot weather, toxic fallout), they'll almost always join. I've personally had 3 people join this way.

Makes sense.

My first and current A16 colony is in temperate forest and the two people I have rescued so far have decided to walk off after using 5 and 3 medicine respectively not to mention numerous fine meals. Herbal medicine seems to be reserves for scrathes and long term medication for how little it does nowadays. I believed they couldn't have survived without actual medicine.
Title: Re: Why do we have to capture and convince people to join when they crash land?
Post by: Shurp on December 26, 2016, 03:09:21 PM
So rescuing people for medical experience with the intent to release is no longer viable, as there is a risk some twit will try to join your colony.

Letting them bleed to death is definitely the best practice now provided they're not located near your base where your colonists risk walking by their rotting corpses later on.
Title: Re: Why do we have to capture and convince people to join when they crash land?
Post by: jasroc on December 26, 2016, 03:28:09 PM
Quote from: Shurp on December 26, 2016, 03:09:21 PM
So rescuing people for medical experience with the intent to release is no longer viable, as there is a risk some twit will try to join your colony.

After they have been rescued and healed, they will ask to join. At that point you are free to tell them to get lost with no repercussions.
Title: Re: Why do we have to capture and convince people to join when they crash land?
Post by: Bozobub on December 26, 2016, 06:11:37 PM
Quote from: Shurp on December 26, 2016, 03:09:21 PM
So rescuing people for medical experience with the intent to release is no longer viable, as there is a risk some twit will try to join your colony.

Letting them bleed to death is definitely the best practice now provided they're not located near your base where your colonists risk walking by their rotting corpses later on.
Um, whut?  Just capture them instead.  You can still treat them, then simply release them as normal.  The auto-join % is enabled only if you never capture them in the 1st place.
Title: Re: Why do we have to capture and convince people to join when they crash land?
Post by: Zhentar on December 26, 2016, 07:01:11 PM
Quote from: jasroc on December 26, 2016, 03:28:09 PM
After they have been rescued and healed, they will ask to join. At that point you are free to tell them to get lost with no repercussions.

That would be Hospitality, I believe. Core does not give you an option.
Title: Re: Why do we have to capture and convince people to join when they crash land?
Post by: Limdood on December 26, 2016, 08:10:54 PM
Quote from: Zhentar on December 26, 2016, 07:01:11 PM
Quote from: jasroc on December 26, 2016, 03:28:09 PM
After they have been rescued and healed, they will ask to join. At that point you are free to tell them to get lost with no repercussions.

That would be Hospitality, I believe. Core does not give you an option.
correct.  no option without hospitality
Title: Re: Why do we have to capture and convince people to join when they crash land?
Post by: Wintersdark on December 26, 2016, 11:30:20 PM
Quote from: milon on December 26, 2016, 10:38:39 AM
Rescue = treat & release
Capture = arrest (with possibility of recruitment)

There are no other options.
in a16, there is a high probability that rescues will choose to join.
Title: Re: Why do we have to capture and convince people to join when they crash land?
Post by: Anomaly on December 27, 2016, 07:34:30 AM
I've yet to see that in A16, I suppose I was just unlucky. However, in the case of the most crashed survivors, it shouldn't be a chance of recruitment, it should be what happens by default.

They are injured and homeless with little chance of survival on their own. Unless survivors have particular traits or wake to see your colonists eating other survivors, they should want to stay.

It could be that later they learn of family elsewhere and want to leave. In such a scenario, there might be a chance of a colonist leaving - or that colonist bringing his family to the player's colony.