It's no secret Rimworld has no locks. Forbidden doors are just that - forbidden. If you use a psychic animal pulser, your own pets will go through your doors and eat you. Berserking colonists are not stopped by doors either. Animals go and eat what they want.
So why not just make things consistent ? Make raiders open doors. That will be a very easy fix to the "whack-a-mole" strategy with colonists who shoot at raiders from doors and close doors if targeted or approached in melee.
If you really want to have locks in the game, make them have like 50 HP and cost a component. 50 HP and a granite door is busted open. But it's not destroyed and can be repaired relatively cheaply, or used without a lock to isolate you from bad temperature, etc.
Either way I expect an official and consistent stance on doors. Either they have no locks and raiders open them, or they do have locks and we can lock stuff from people and animals.
Solid point, I agree.
IMO they should have locks, but outsiders that need to pass will tear them down. If you want to go to war over the matter then it'll be up to the colony then.
I think you should be able to equip them with scyther-blade booby traps: Make Doors open Raiders.
This could be another distinction between normal doors and autodoors.
But I agree with b0rsuk .. one way or the other .. it should be consistent.
Pretty solid suggestion, if you ask me.
Although, killbox fanatics may disagree.
+1
Though this might be a behavior to reserve for the highest three difficulty levels so that those playing on easy settings can still hunker down and be (largely) safe inside their bases.
That's not criticism. People play the game for different reasons and like different aspects of it. But for those who want significant pressure from the raids without being outnumbered 20:1, the OP's suggestion could really help.
It use to be colonists had keys to the doors. Only they could use the doors nothing else if they were knocked out they couldn't use the door unless they picked the key up again. Same went with raiders if they got a colonist key they could use the doors. But that was forever ago it seems.
Doors are currently extremely effective as de facto embrasures. I know, because I abused them so much I'm sick of it. It's like I'm playing on a different difficulty level than the one listed.
Door peeking is extremely effective against raiders, and manhunters as well. Against my colonies manhunters don't last a single day. You just need multiple stone doors spanning some distance. I think door peeking makes the game more shallow because I don't remember a time when I had to *sneak* past sleeping manhunters.
A natural solution for manhunters would be making the entire pack fall back beyond rifle range if they can't reach tasty pinkskins. But I would accept manhunters able to open doors. They would only do so if provoked with shooting. Current situation is that manhunters are fully capable of destroying doors, and fast, they just don't do so out of kindness of heart.
I'm not sure how I feel about any animals being able to open anything other than an auto-door. It's actually always bothered me to see chickens roaming around opening my doors and what-not.
I still agree with the idea the initial idea, but giving the manhunting boomalopes & boomrats the capacity to enter your base bothers me.
Quote from: O Negative on March 07, 2017, 01:05:30 PM
I'm not sure how I feel about any animals being able to open anything other than an auto-door. It's actually always bothered me to see chickens roaming around opening my doors and what-not.
I still agree with the idea the initial idea, but giving the manhunting boomalopes & boomrats the capacity to enter your base bothers me.
I don't think manhunters should be able to open doors, but they should be willing and able to batter them down to get to the munchies and crunchies hiding inside. Some rebalance to the scaling of manhunter pack size with difficulty/wealth would be needed in that case.
Quote from: Aerial on March 07, 2017, 01:46:18 PM
I don't think manhunters should be able to open doors, but they should be willing and able to batter them down to get to the munchies and crunchies hiding inside. Some rebalance to the scaling of manhunter pack size with difficulty/wealth would be needed in that case.
Heh, agreed. They kind of already do this, though. If a manhunting animal sees a colonist, they'll follow them and start bashing on the door they just went through. The bigger animals are far more likely to succeed in getting through said door(s). I'd like to see a decent nerf in hitpoints to doors and building made of wood, while walls and stone/metal "buildings" are much sturdier. A healthy human should be able to knock a standard door down in just a few (3) hits.
It would certainly make things more interesting, even with the addition of locked doors.
Heck, I just thought of something else, too. Manufacturing keys to be put in the inventory of colonists. Having extras lying around could be a hazard if a prison break ever occurred. Gotta say, I'm liking the idea of lockable doors the longer I think about it :)
Rimworld used to have door keys but they were removed for some reason. But it was before I joined.
I'm mostly annoyed by the mess and inconsistency. What is this, Javascript ? Animals can open doors if they're from your colony. Manhunters can't open doors, unless they're your animals frenzied by psychic animal pulser. Humanlikes can open doors if they belong to your faction, or not if they belong to a hostile faction, or they can open if they're visitors. Jailbrakers can open doors - I think ? But berserking prisoners bash doors. And here's the kicker: these things change without warning. Or rather, Tynan doesn't document all changes in changelogs.
I think it mostly makes sense if you think of them as still having keys, just not as an actual item, sort of like how everyone is equipped with an invisible pickaxe (or are they mining that granite with their bare hands?). Keys are distributed to friendlies only. Friendlies that are berserking still have their keys. A prison break happens when prisoners somehow steal or copy the keys, but a berserking prisoner doesn't have one. There's a consistency to it, although prison breaks make me want actual keys and locks for some sort of counterplay without amputating legs.
But animals opening non-autodoors still doesn't fit. That just seems like a sacrifice of realism for gameplay, because keeping animals would be too much of a pain to be worth it if a colonist always had to open the door for them.
Locked doors seems nifty.
barred doors should not cost a component, but are one-way only. (bar slides back into place as door closes)
locked doors should not cost a component (perhaps steel instead?), but the door takes longer to open (because key), and locks behind the pawn. Alternatively, allow a "lock door, unlock door" option that works similar to "hold door open" feature.
I think it makes no sense. Add nothing to a game dynamic that is already solid.
Why a lock should have 50hp? In most of the real doors in the real world that lock is the last part that breaks...
You are talking about a game that uses granite to build doors... it is working, is a way to make you improve the quality of your defences at the expense of time/resources.
Only good point is the exploit of keeping repairing behind a door.
People since the medieval age open, shoot an arrow and close the door when the bad guy approaches.
Nothing weird there.
Also, modern doors have smaller entrances to let dogs/cat move freely, don't be too picky, this is a funny game.
Im for whatever decision paves the way for 2 tile wide doors to become a thing. The time for the rights of doors has come, our oppressors may be the ones who knock, but we are the ones who open!
Quote from: wbonxx on March 08, 2017, 06:25:47 AM
I think it makes no sense. Add nothing to a game dynamic that is already solid.
It does make sense because the game is already pretty broken. Doors are pretty broken, they easily take out manhunters with little to no risk. Raids can't deal with a base like this, because whenever one door is attacked in melee you shoot the attacker from other doors.
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Why a lock should have 50hp? In most of the real doors in the real world that lock is the last part that breaks...
Is that why common door busting advice is to keep kicking in the place where the lock is ? And under no circumstances hit the door with your shoulder unless you want a dislocated shoulder ?
The lock is in that place because it's the weakest spot of the door, and a lock is an attempt to reinforce it.
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You are talking about a game that uses granite to build doors... it is working, is a way to make you improve the quality of your defences at the expense of time/resources.
Is the lock made out of granite too ?
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Only good point is the exploit of keeping repairing behind a door.
You don't even need to repair, just shoot people attacking the door. Repair after battle. If they are not attacking doors, they can't break in. If they are attacking, they are getting shot from other doors, and it always takes them a few moments to react. So when a raider hits a door you can always get a few shots in.
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People since the medieval age open, shoot an arrow and close the door when the bad guy approaches.
Nothing weird there.
People since medieval are not stupid to fall for the same trick over and over. They can methodically bust down a single door with axes in moments, while others are covering the area. Rimworld raiders are not smart enough. They spread themselves going 1 person to each door.
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Also, modern doors have smaller entrances to let dogs/cat move freely, don't be too picky, this is a funny game.
It is when doors are not involved.
Quote from: Sola on March 08, 2017, 03:16:06 AM
Locked doors seems nifty.
barred doors should not cost a component, but are one-way only. (bar slides back into place as door closes)
locked doors should not cost a component (perhaps steel instead?), but the door takes longer to open (because key), and locks behind the pawn. Alternatively, allow a "lock door, unlock door" option that works similar to "hold door open" feature.
I was thinking of something similiar ..
The good thing about this kind of solution is, that it fits the rest of the game regarding to turning of machines and other stuff.
It could also be a solution to the problem with pets eating drugs, discussed in a other thread.
AAANd .. Caravans pissing you of by leading their muffalo herd through kitchen, hospital and other areas.
DF has a similiar mechanic for doors .. you can set passable for dwarfs, passable for pets, locked and forbidden ..
So if we apply this for rimworld :
1.) Doors get the settings : hold open, locked, forbidden
2.) hold open stayes the same as now .. for faster access
3.) forbidden means the door is locked and nobody will pass it
4.) locked means, the door gets locked by a colonist and is impassable
for everyone except colonists. ( who have an imaginary key .. )
but takes more time for the colonist to unlock and relock the door
5.) Human Raiders gain the ability to break open doors. similiar to unlock
but takes longer. ( df has thief characters to, who are able to bypass locked doors and steal stuff )
I have the feeling I forgot something, but I can't remember at the moment ..