Poll
Question:
What the title said.
Option 1: Yes, you should be notified as soon as they decide to hunt colonists.
votes: 20
Option 2: Yes, but only when they're a certain distance from the colonists.
votes: 25
Option 3: No.
votes: 15
Option 4: Just remove the feature entirely.
votes: 1
What's your opinion on the event?
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Yep, and it should be based on the size of the predator and you should be notified as soon as the colonist would notice, not when the animal decides to attack. And it should be a red notification.
If the game pauses at a red zzzzzt, it should be able to pause when your colonist realises he's being attacked by a manhunting fricken bear!
It should be notified as son as anybody notices the animal pointing for attack
ii hate the people that say that this should be a notification because it takes away some of the risk and danger in the game. There shouldn't be a notification, there should be a warning at the beginning of a "hunting season". So for example, bears generally hunt in the spring and summer, so during winter and fall there should be no bears on the map. And when the beginning of spring comes there should be a yellow notification that bears can now spawn and hunt your colonists and this stays on the side stating how many days are left in bear hunting season.
Definitely NO. Danger shall always lurk around. What could be a good idea, is to create a zone called "danger", so when you spot a bear, your colonists should be given alert warning not to venture to that specific portion of the map, a reversed version of home I would say, which could be deleted automatically once the predator is killed.
Somebody says: "-Guys, there has been sighted a bear to the East of the woods, you have been warned.-"
Me: "Go West, life is peaceful there, go West, where the sky is blue...go West. this is what we're gonna do..."
By that logic, we shouldnt have raid notifications. They just show up and its up to us to notice all the bad people running towards our base.
For me, I said yes, but based on distance, so its like someone yelling "THE SQUIRRELS ARE ATTACKING!"
Saying there shouldn't be a warning of any kind is incoherent, unless you're willing to make some sweeping changes to the game's notification system as a whole that position is not and can't be rational.
There already are many games that implement a "Fog" system. Rim World would need to upgrade so that we can build guard posts and colonist have a sight range like a lighthouse circling like a paper fan. Bionic eye implants increasing range and those with cataract short ranged. I like tough games. Then as technological research progresses, build motion radar, heat signatures, infrared... density radar, .... I would love to sneak attack pirate outposts hiding behind trees and using night as cover.
...Instead of the: "-Hello, we are bad guys and we are going to attack you, just so that you know.-"
There allready is a mod thas does give a warning .. In form of a beep noise, text in the upper left.
I use it and I think it is only fair. Because the problem with pawn hunting animals is that they are not handled like man hunters.
And Pawns, when set to flee or defend, are not allowed to act according to their settings when a hungry looking wild animal comes directly for them but the animal gets to strike first.
So either I get a warning to think for my pawns .. or the pawns should be allowed to act for themselves and react.
Personally I think what the makes the situation stand out so much is that it is immersion breaking in comparison to other animal related situation.
When Manhunters appear in any form they get flagged as enemy and pawns act accordingly by shooting or running.
When a Taming attemp goes wrong, the animal gets flagged as enemy and pawns act accordingly by shooting or running.
When animals react badly to being hunted, the animal gets flagged as enemy and pawns act accordingly by shooting or running.
When prisoners try to flee, they get flagged as enemy and pawns act accordingly by shooting or running.
When pawns have a agressive mental breakdown, they get flagged as enemy and pawns act accordingly by shooting or running.
When an animal decided to hunt a pawn or colony animal, it stays flagged as normal animal while nobody in your colony gives a shit until the animal had first blood.
Then some noise tells me someone is under attack, while everybody else around still does not care at all.
They animal then continues to kill and consume until the bitter end of either your colony member or itself without reacting to outside influnces ( like a hailstorm of bullets coming its way )
to repeat my point : I like that this is happening, but it does break immersion and game consistensy which is by far the greater sin than being imbalanced or overpowered.
I think we should have a subtle notification for hunting predators like we do for Animal starvation, or Colonist starvation.
its a potential problem but its not developed into a issue until it bites your colonist, it might end up moving towards your colonist and then end up re-targeting and eating a squirrel instead.
Don't stop the game and throw up a red report just because a predator has chosen a hunting target, this is just a bad idea by design.
its a potential problem but its not developed into a issue until it bites your colonist, it might end up moving towards your colonist and then end up re-targeting and eating a squirrel instead.
The idea that you should get a report when a animal targets your pawn is just silly since their hunting target can change as soon as your pawn walks through a door, it would just result in players getting spammed with reports.
I think we should be alerted to active problems and threats like we do in other cases. I think this sort of issue is the kind that we should start with a subtle notification just like we get for colonist and animal starvation, but this would say predators are hunting (because predators have gotten hungry enough to hunt).
Quote from: ChillinVillian13 on July 19, 2017, 08:18:36 AM
ii hate the people that say that this should be a notification because it takes away some of the risk and danger in the game. There shouldn't be a notification, there should be a warning at the beginning of a "hunting season". So for example, bears generally hunt in the spring and summer, so during winter and fall there should be no bears on the map. And when the beginning of spring comes there should be a yellow notification that bears can now spawn and hunt your colonists and this stays on the side stating how many days are left in bear hunting season.
So we currently get a warning and can choose for the game to pause on a red Zzzzzzt, or if a squirrel goes mad and charges our base from the other side of the map, yet you don't think a colonist being attacked by a man-hunting bear warrants any more than a beep?
I can't even begin to understand your logic on this.
I'd say:
- Red report if limited to a given range, or
- Normal notification, if not.
I'd actually prefer red notifications that can be acknowledged, or otherwise "banished" thus consistently handling all potentially dangerous events the exact same way. The current setup is unnecessarily confusing AND obnoxious, at the same time, as anyone who has been forced to sit through 1x speed unnecessarily knows all too well.
Quote from: Bozobub on July 19, 2017, 04:24:27 PM
I'd say:
- Red report if limited to a given range, or
- Normal notification, if not.
I'd actually prefer red notifications that can be acknowledged, or otherwise "banished" thus consistently handling all potentially dangerous events the exact same way. The current setup is unnecessarily confusing AND obnoxious, at the same time, as anyone who has been forced to sit through 1x speed unnecessarily knows all too well.
Yes, though it's a bit unrelated forced 1 speed can be extremely vexing, especially in scenarios where you genuinely don't care (IE fox is hunting that turtle that self-tamed out there somewhere and struggling vs the armor).
Quote from: The Nickman on July 19, 2017, 04:18:26 PM
Quote from: ChillinVillian13 on July 19, 2017, 08:18:36 AM
ii hate the people that say that this should be a notification because it takes away some of the risk and danger in the game. There shouldn't be a notification, there should be a warning at the beginning of a "hunting season". So for example, bears generally hunt in the spring and summer, so during winter and fall there should be no bears on the map. And when the beginning of spring comes there should be a yellow notification that bears can now spawn and hunt your colonists and this stays on the side stating how many days are left in bear hunting season.
So we currently get a warning and can choose for the game to pause on a red Zzzzzzt, or if a squirrel goes mad and charges our base from the other side of the map, yet you don't think a colonist being attacked by a man-hunting bear warrants any more than a beep?
I can't even begin to understand your logic on this.
If your colonist is getting hunted down without your knowledge then it is your fault that you didn't see the danger and take precautions. Myself i prefer to get a hunting party and shoot down the predator. But if you can't pay attention to your game then you can't blame the game's mechanics
That's asinine. Again, following your logic, no notifications are necessary at all. Please feel free to attempt to reconcile the instant "manhunter" alert with your attitude.
Fun fact: you can force-target point-blank pawns with ranged weapons to force them to fire instead of melee. The cougar that decided to jump your hauler will be regretting it once the barrel if a heavy SMG is stuck up its unmentionables and fired.
Or just prevent the encounter all together: turn the hunter into the hunted.
In short: aquire efficiency
Quote from: ChillinVillian13 on July 19, 2017, 08:18:36 AM
If your colonist is getting hunted down without your knowledge then it is your fault that you didn't see the danger and take precautions. Myself i prefer to get a hunting party and shoot down the predator. But if you can't pay attention to your game then you can't blame the game's mechanics
I completely agree with that. Every night its always the best time to spot new arrivals with the big ZZZ flying all over them (in speed x3 while circling the whole map doesn't consume time and you finish before your guys wake up to the point you can do two checks), it doesn't really take much time to zoom out 8/10 max range enough to spot snow hares in ice sheet. Granted that some animals zone in during the day too, and you should be checking where your colonists go. Any specific location that looks too vulnerable, I always build a cover wall so that the character can play peek a boo or run in circle until a back-up team shows up, all the time just playing bait/lure for the others have a clean shot.
In real life people do get attacked by surprise, bears in the woods in berries season, known to be the main nutrient source humans should leave to them, specially with urbanization taking over forests and green areas. When animals are made to starve due to mankind greed without consideration on global effect. Man has forgotten to share. Removing the surprise element takes a lot away from the game just because of
whip players.
What the game could introduce for safety would be pair-assignments. Instead of solo work, give the chance for players to create teams so that nobody goes out alone, like in real life too. Then people should be able to watch each others backs. Then any one who has a pretty partner gets a distracted effect that can cause loose of attention by looking at her...legs... instead of watching the surroundings. I would totally fail to watch over Kim Kardashigan while she bends to grab berries.
Once again, do you realize you are actually arguing for the complete removal of notifications? Because I can use the exact same logic for any notification currently in place.
Well? Why should this one event be treated differently?
I already said that I would love RAID notification removed.
Quote from: Yoshida Keiji on July 19, 2017, 10:39:26 PM
In real life people do get attacked by surprise, bears in the woods in berries season, known to be the main nutrient source humans should leave to them, specially with urbanization taking over forests and green areas. When animals are made to starve due to mankind greed without consideration on global effect. Man has forgotten to share.
This is a game. Unless it's a realistic simulation game, realism has very little value in the argument.
Quote from: Yoshida Keiji on July 19, 2017, 10:39:26 PMRemoving the surprise element takes a lot away from the game just because of whip players.
I don't know what you mean by the red text but I'm gonna assume that's an insult. Please drop this attitude of elitism. But aside from that, elements of surprise are indeed necessary to keep the game experience fresh. Assuming that you are given enough time to react to it. Animal attacks do not. It causes more frustration than fun.
Quote from: Yoshida Keiji on July 19, 2017, 10:39:26 PMI already said that I would love RAID notification removed.
Many people don't.
Guys and gals calm down. I think there's a simple solution here that'll please (almost) everyone. An option in the menu.
This is just one problem so far. I highly doubt adding options for everything would be feasible in the long run.
Perhaps based on difficulty? Some-challenge or higher, no notification. Perhaps I'm making it to precise and complicated, but from the looks of it no one's getting anywhere here with just "yes" and "no".