Seriously Tynan, what do you have against Vegetarians?
I just noticed that fine meals are only possible with meat + plants. I can cook some mighty fine meals without meat just fine, tynan, thank you very much!
Seriously though why is that. The need to use 2 seperate ressources is clear, but it should be possible to use potatoes and berries for example.
the games not even out yet and right now many systems are basically placeholders. Hell u lucky if you can even get fine meals cause after 100 days of a person turning out food i still dont ave the skill for them.
im sure in the future things like characters beong vegetarian or vegan may be a thing and perhaps theyll get negative thoughts from eating meat (but they will if say theyre starving)
Maybe there could be a crafting table for preparing vegetables ? The product of these could be similar to the butchering system.
Taht would be interesting.....
Perhaps you could just require more variety (for example we will get animal husbandry.. so cheese (that adds another food type) so you could possibly make a fine meal out of cheese and vegetables>
I'm not much interested in all that vegan/vegetarian stuff, but AFAIK they need to supplement iron.
So... then since there is no supplements in RW, then it makes sense, that you need both meat and vegetables.
None of you actually read my post, didn't you?
I am not asking tynan to implement vegetarians. I am just a bit angry about the fact that fine meals and above in rimworld have to have meat in them. That's it.
Quote from: Neone on June 09, 2014, 02:39:45 PM
I'm not much interested in all that vegan/vegetarian stuff, but AFAIK they need to supplement iron.
So... then since there is no supplements in RW, then it makes sense, that you need both meat and vegetables.
No they don't. Don't talk about something that you have no clue about, it makes you look stupid.
Vegans might need Protein and B12 supplements. Vegetarians don't need supplements at all. Nobody needs iron supplements. There's plenty of iron in vegetables.
Quote from: Amaror on June 09, 2014, 02:49:36 PM
None of you actually read my post, didn't you?
I am not asking tynan to implement vegetarians. I am just a bit angry about the fact that fine meals and above in rimworld have to have meat in them. That's it.
Quote from: Neone on June 09, 2014, 02:39:45 PM
I'm not much interested in all that vegan/vegetarian stuff, but AFAIK they need to supplement iron.
So... then since there is no supplements in RW, then it makes sense, that you need both meat and vegetables.
No they don't. Don't talk about something that you have no clue about, it makes you look stupid.
Vegans might need Protein and B12 supplements. Vegetarians don't need supplements at all. Nobody needs iron supplements. There's plenty of iron in vegetables.
Did you not like my idea :(
Quote from: Amaror on June 09, 2014, 02:49:36 PM
None of you actually read my post, didn't you?
I am not asking tynan to implement vegetarians. I am just a bit angry about the fact that fine meals and above in rimworld have to have meat in them. That's it.
and you didnt read my post about how this stuff is only at a placeholder level right now.
and really is it something to get all bent out of shape about just pop over to the modding from and ask someone to do a quick mod for you. shouldnt take then too long for something so simple.
besides as a side not i could be upset that fine and lavish meals require veggies. what if i wanted my colony to be wanderers who hunt the local wildlife for all their food. but im not.
Quote from: Amaror on June 09, 2014, 02:49:36 PM
No they don't. Don't talk about something that you have no clue about, it makes you look stupid.
Vegans might need Protein and B12 supplements. Vegetarians don't need supplements at all. Nobody needs iron supplements. There's plenty of iron in vegetables.
I will first contest your statement that nobody needs iron supplements and then move on to my ideas about a vegan diet in Rimworld. Firstly, iron supplements are one of the few supplements that are actually very useful and even necessary in a lot of cases. Patients with large amounts of blood loss from traumatic injuries often need iron supplements. Pregnant women are universally recommended to take iron supplements due to their much, much higher iron requirements that most do not meet without supplementation. And vegan women who become anemic often require iron supplementation to overcome their anemia in a timely fashion and get their iron stores restored to normal levels.
That said I have thought before about a vegan diet in Rimworld and believe that unless significant changes where made to the food and technology available it simply wouldn't be realistic to have a vegan diet under such circumstances.
1. Iron: in the US the population on average gets half of its iron from grain products because those are usually fortified with iron. There's no iron fortification in Rimworld, so half their iron is already gone.
Due to the non-heme iron found in plant foods being absorbed less easily the recommended amount of iron for vegans is 1.8 times higher than non-vegans. Women between the ages of 19-50 are recommended to take 18 mg of iron, a lot more than males of the same age who only have to take 8mg. 1.8 x 18 = 32.4mg of iron for vegan women. Without meat or fortified grain they would need to get their iron from spinach, soybeans, lentils or from some sort of niche food source. Even then a cup of raw spinach has .81mg of iron, meaning a vegan woman selectively getting iron from spinach would need to eat 40 cups of raw spinach a day.
2. Protein, this would require a combination of grains and legumes to added to the game so complete protein could be gotten without meat.
3. Vitamin B16 comes mostly from fortified foods or you can just eat nutritional yeast which happens to go good with siracha on popcorn.
I thought a while back that veganism is too niche to make the changes needed to make it realistic on Rimworld where the diversity of foodstuffs is much lesser than that found in modern, developed nations. That is unless you lampshaded it by just claiming that somehow the nutrient paste contains all your nutritional needs.
As for your original idea of fine meals only requiring vegetables, it is a subjective matter, but objectively speaking many people do not subjectively think vegetable-only meals are fine. The reason that a fine meal requires meat and vegetables is primarily a gameplay mechanic to force the player to hunt and farm if they want to eat better meals, but realistically most people want meat in their meals, although colonists could be given individual tastes. Similarly, as others have pointed out you could also complain about vegetables being required for a fine meal when many would consider a well-made steak by itself to be fine.
My cat has it right: The best food squeaks... =3
I think it's just a balance thing. You need to hunt to get meat. Which means you can't just do it in a hydroponics farm deep in the mountain, you have to go outside. It means extra effort and you are rewarded with a higher quality meal. So unless you can name a vegetable that needs to be hunted down and shot... ;P
Derp, I didn't even think about the vegetarian angle. However, the requirement that a fine meal have meat is not intended as an insult to vegetarian cooks!
Basically I did it this way for balance reasons. You could do potato/strawberry, but it's easy to just split a growing zone and make both those. Meat at least requires you to engage in a different activity.
Quote from: Col_Jessep on June 09, 2014, 07:59:17 PM
So unless you can name a vegetable that needs to be hunted down and shot... ;P
We can mod those. :D
Just wanted to throw my 2c in. As has been said, the recipes available will, Im sure, change on their way through to Beta and release.
In Version 2 I did create some vegetarian recipes myself after some research-
Agave Glazed Potato Rings 60 mins
Potato and Strawberry Pudding 50 mins
Strawberry Potato Salad (1 Agave sweetener) 20 mins
Berry Preserve 55 mins
That's just the quick notes on what I had put in game.
I do want to note that Agave can be a difficult resource (like meat) if you return to 'harvesting kills the plant'. The Agave plant dies after flowering http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agave
I know it's probably unnecessary detail for you Tynan, and I wish I had the time to keep working on my mini-mods, but life is extra busy atm.
So if anyone wants to use any of the info I just listed feel free.
Really is an amazing game that keeps growing!
Quote from: Tynan on June 09, 2014, 08:01:30 PM
Derp, I didn't even think about the vegetarian angle. However, the requirement that a fine meal have meat is not intended as an insult to vegetarian cooks!
Basically I did it this way for balance reasons. You could do potato/strawberry, but it's easy to just split a growing zone and make both those. Meat at least requires you to engage in a different activity.
Perhaps once we can tame animals you should add cheese? <- different foodtype
this is why no one likes vegetarians ;)
We need a good gaucho barbecue in the game! rofl
Quote from: Mattaru on June 11, 2014, 10:33:38 PM
this is why no one likes vegetarians ;)
Oh, don't be like that. I know for a fact that cannibals absolutely LOVE vegetarians :D
i somehow find it weird how people get offended by this, it doesn't makes sense at all,Its just a video game not real life.
anyway, i disagree,i say keep the requirement for meat, its the only thing that makes making meals difficult, unless your using human meat anyway.
Quote from: Blackjack1000K on June 12, 2014, 09:18:04 PM
i somehow find it weird how people get offended by this...
You must be new to the Internet. Welcome!
Quote from: StorymasterQ on June 12, 2014, 10:44:12 PM
Quote from: Blackjack1000K on June 12, 2014, 09:18:04 PM
i somehow find it weird how people get offended by this...
You must be new to the Internet. Welcome!
I already know what kind of people lurk the internet, 50%Idiots 20%smart 30% just playin dumb, Im just pointing out that its nothing to be offended about.
Its simply just an excuse so that cooking meals be easier -_-
Quote from: Blackjack1000K on June 12, 2014, 11:01:48 PM
Quote from: StorymasterQ on June 12, 2014, 10:44:12 PM
Quote from: Blackjack1000K on June 12, 2014, 09:18:04 PM
i somehow find it weird how people get offended by this...
You must be new to the Internet. Welcome!
I already know what kind of people lurk the internet, 50%Idiots 20%smart 30% just playin dumb, Im just pointing out that its nothing to be offended about.
Its simply just an excuse so that cooking meals be easier -_-
Blackjack has a fair point, it seems that people on the internet get offended alot more easily than those you would meet in the outside world, but hey, Different cultures from a world wide perspective clashing together to form a whole new little community? There's going to be conflict regardless.
Oh, you guys probably know the saying:
How do you know if somebody doesn't eat meat, doesn't drive a car or doesn't watch TV? He will tell you.
It's so exciting to be an individualist! ;P
well cause proper meals require meat lul
Quote from: Celthric Aysen on June 12, 2014, 11:01:48 PM
Its simply just an excuse so that cooking meals be easier -_-
Yes, because vegetarian diet is so easy. Hunting all those obscure vegetables you need to replace meat.
lol ancient thread
Vegetarians also eat eggs and drink milk. You can cook fine and lavish meals with both.
This is kinda like the rock paper shotgun about him being sexist. Though if anything, Tynan is anti bald people.
The vegetable garden mod already addresses all of these issues. It adds a number of different crop types, among them beans which can then be used to make tofu, and the tofu used in place of meat. I think I also saw red lentils being usable in place of meat, but I'd have to double-check that. And there's a recipe for a vegan egg substitute.
Quote from: minimurgle on April 09, 2017, 10:59:48 PM
This is kinda like the rock paper shotgun about him being sexist. Though if anything, Tynan is anti bald people.
Everyone is bald in code when they wear headgear, so the jokes on you >:D
Would be cool to have a salad cooking item, though, which uses a lot of different ingredients and is less filling than meat although with the same mood boost.
(https://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/filthy-frank/images/f/f9/Vegan_Protection_Center.gif/revision/latest?cb=20170103015342)
The cooking system could easily be expanded upon as a whole (I know it's a placeholder, just saying). As just one example, add soy beans as a crop. They can't safely be eaten raw (darn those lectins!) but just like how hops can be processed into wort then beer, soybeans could be either cooked to produce soy milk and okara or fermented to make soy sauce, natto, tempeh, miso, etc. Okara can't be eaten raw either but can be cooked into plenty of stuff, used to make japanese pickles or as great fertilizer in nitrogen-poor soil. It's an entire industry in one crop!
For game balance purposes, it also allows for a simple crop to be cooked into food directly or fermented/processed over time (to simplify and save space, you could use the existing beer fermenting barrels) into a product that can easily make fine meals. Of course it would be easier to just go out and turn the nearest living thing into meat but as our storytellers keep reminding us, meat spoils quickly. Fermented soy products don't really spoil.. As some like to say, they just 'get stronger'. There is also the plus side of giving people options, be it for role play or traits added later like vegetarian. Turning spoiled foods and/or okara into fertilizer to boost crops grow speed for the life of that plant (maybe adding a % boost to grow speed, capped at what rich soil provides) would be awesome too.
Adding some/all of these things as tribal research could give new and interesting things to do or easily allow it to be skipped and ignore the soy bean altogether. Also, allow rice/potatoes/etc to be fermented into whisky/vodka/sake/wine in the same barrels.
Quote from: Celthric Aysen on June 12, 2014, 09:18:04 PM
i somehow find it weird how people get offended by this, it doesn't makes sense at all,Its just a video game not real life.
anyway, i disagree,i say keep the requirement for meat, its the only thing that makes making meals difficult, unless your using human meat anyway.
lmao, there is no reason to by angry at this.
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I know you can use eggs to make fine meals, ive never done it with milk, so I'm not too sure about that.
You know what offends me the most in this thread?
The fucking necro.
2014 -> 2017
Quote from: Rainsoda on April 09, 2017, 03:06:17 PM
well cause proper meals require meat lul
Great job reviving a three years old thread with a comment that doesn't add anything to the convesation at all, you'd be banned for this in other forums. Even better is your very first forum post is a necropost. This is why I've lost my hope in humanity.
Mods please lock this.
Lol... you guys are dumb sometimes but I love you all so much!