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RimWorld => General Discussion => Topic started by: Bobisme on September 18, 2018, 08:15:00 PM

Title: placing trees infront of sandbags worth it?
Post by: Bobisme on September 18, 2018, 08:15:00 PM
i have a few turrets surrounded by sand bags, was wondering if it would be worth making a grow zone for trees in front of the turrets? 
I gather the game looks at LOS, is a row of trees worth it, or if it's gone that far the tree isn't going to do much? :)
I wouldn't think the trees would reduce the turrets ability to shoot that much though..
Title: Re: placing trees infront of sandbags worth it?
Post by: BLACK_FR on September 19, 2018, 06:51:37 AM
Quote from: Bobisme on September 18, 2018, 08:15:00 PM
i have a few turrets surrounded by sand bags, was wondering if it would be worth making a grow zone for trees in front of the turrets? 
I gather the game looks at LOS, is a row of trees worth it, or if it's gone that far the tree isn't going to do much? :)
I wouldn't think the trees would reduce the turrets ability to shoot that much though..

You can check cover from any point. Just send you pawn there, draft him and check what gives cover to turret and what's not by aiming at turret.
Title: Re: placing trees infront of sandbags worth it?
Post by: sadpickle on September 19, 2018, 03:11:48 PM
I think it was established that sandbags don't give cover to turrets. Has that changed?

Putting traps in front of a turret or otherwise boxing it in some way with walls to prevent LOS from getting a bead on it (this also reduces turret LOS but can prevent snipers from plinking it down) can be effective.
Title: Re: placing trees infront of sandbags worth it?
Post by: Bobisme on September 19, 2018, 04:08:58 PM
I play B18, pointing a gun at a turret states 'sandbag stops 65%'
Title: Re: placing trees infront of sandbags worth it?
Post by: InventorRaccoon on September 19, 2018, 05:30:03 PM
Yeah, turrets do indeed benefit from cover, so you want to surround them in sandbags to improve their survivability.
Title: Re: placing trees infront of sandbags worth it?
Post by: BlackSmokeDMax on September 19, 2018, 06:30:19 PM
The only thing that matters for cover is the object directly in front of the pawn. You could have a 100 trees in a row and sand behind the last one. Only the last one would count for cover. The rest do not matter.

If anything, having trees between there would give the pawn approaching cover on the way.
Title: Re: placing trees infront of sandbags worth it?
Post by: lancar on September 20, 2018, 02:24:59 AM
I read in another post that only miniturrets benefit from sandbags fully. Apparantly, the 2x2 turrets only check for cover in the southwest corner tile, not the others.

This might get fixed at some point.
Title: Re: placing trees infront of sandbags worth it?
Post by: SYDWAD on September 21, 2018, 12:11:04 AM
there is a chance that a bullet will hit an object it is crossing over, idk if it depends on the object but i know this is a thing, that's why 3 thick sand bags is a bit safer than 1
Title: Re: placing trees infront of sandbags worth it?
Post by: Limdood on September 21, 2018, 11:47:58 AM
Quote from: SYDWAD on September 21, 2018, 12:11:04 AM
there is a chance that a bullet will hit an object it is crossing over, idk if it depends on the object but i know this is a thing, that's why 3 thick sand bags is a bit safer than 1

I think it can only hit pawns (animal, colonist, visitor, raider)...i've never seen a bullet stop on any other object significantly in front of it's target (not counting the miss radius that CAN have bullets hit objects) EXCEPT in the case of a solid wall (a shot that was going to miss to the side of the intended target instead hits a solid wall on the way there). 
Title: Re: placing trees infront of sandbags worth it?
Post by: SYDWAD on September 21, 2018, 05:23:11 PM
ive see it happen, if you have like 5 sand bags you will see that after a gun fight that the middle ones will be damaged, sometimes bullets will hit trees instead of flying through them.
Title: Re: placing trees infront of sandbags worth it?
Post by: lowdegger on September 22, 2018, 09:48:39 AM
Quote from: SYDWAD on September 21, 2018, 05:23:11 PM
ive see it happen, if you have like 5 sand bags you will see that after a gun fight that the middle ones will be damaged, sometimes bullets will hit trees instead of flying through them.

I think this is just bullets which have missed anyway damaging things around the target.
Title: Re: placing trees infront of sandbags worth it?
Post by: SYDWAD on September 30, 2018, 06:25:33 PM
i know there is a stat about how a bullet has a chance of hitting any object it passes over. But i don't know how to read the game files.