From tribal times to charge rifles there is a good variety of weapons in my opinion. Except that current modern day technology is a little excessive. They make up the bulk of the guns which even on a Rimworld may not make a whole lot of sense.
No need to change stats or anything, but some different weapons from various years spanning more equally would be nice. Maybe have the year it was manufactured in the tooltip.
I can understand that having modern day weapons is easier for people to relate to and people already know what they are, but halo got round this problem while having non ordinary guns.
Something like 3-4 modern weapons are enough, like the survival rifle, pistol and pump shotgun.
It just doesn't feel like any part of the universe is really 5500. That IS quite far away.
+1 Colonists can build a ship with bare hands but they don't have any good "modern" weapons (charge rifle isn't so good, i prefer assault rifle than charge rifle...).
Although it would be likely, just because we're a few thousand years more advanced doesn't guarantee our advancement in everything, so guns may be the same technology as 2015, if not worse even.
But that just isn't true. In World War One the machine gun was a very new concept. (A reliable one anyway) we had to fight each other with bolt action weapons.
Fast forward to today where we have laser defenses, guns that can change course after firing and weapons that can fire thousands of round per minute.
And this is in just over 100 years. Man always wants to kill people and it's no less obvious in rimworld where everyone and thing tries to mutilate you.
Wouldn't be hard, just a few art and name changes.
Why do we instantly jump from 0BCE-era weapons technology (pilum, bow, longsword (spatha), gladius, etc) straight to 1990-era? We just straight-up jump 2000 years of technology, for almost no reason.
What about a blackpowder musket? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musket) Or a blackpowder revolver (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colt_Army_Model_1860). Or a crossbow?
SOMETHING to "bridge the gap", as it were.
Because OBCE weapons are easy to make and there are people without technology. If Tynan would make blackpower weapons he would most likely make new fraction, because who would produce these weapons? Guns like Enfield etc. are old, but you can find one in our days, and i think that raiders are on this time technology. Same with crossbow (good crossbow is much more comlicated than a bow). We would need knights fraction for this (+1 for this so much btw ;d). The point is that new weapons are in production in glitterworlds so Tynan wouldn't need to make a new fraction, but who to hell manufactures blackpower weapons and can sell them to traders in spaceship?
If we are dicussing a lack of weapons in certain time frames why is the title "Greater Variety in Weapon Art
Quote from: Adamiks on August 13, 2015, 10:48:06 AM
Because OBCE weapons are easy to make and there are people without technology. If Tynan would make blackpower weapons he would most likely make new fraction, because who would produce these weapons? Guns like Enfield etc. are old, but you can find one in our days, and i think that raiders are on this time technology. Same with crossbow (good crossbow is much more comlicated than a bow). We would need knights fraction for this (+1 for this so much btw ;d). The point is that new weapons are in production in glitterworlds so Tynan wouldn't need to make a new fraction, but who to hell manufactures blackpower weapons and can sell them to traders in spaceship?
Tell me, go try and build a self-bow capable of taking down a deer. Or, a javelin that is balanced for the throw. "Primitive" weapons are often
not that simpleOn the other hand, weapons with modern metallic cartridges and smokeless gunpowder are
rather complicated. "Modern firearms", and the accompanying ammunition, requires a rather high level of technology and
intercontinental trade. Some po'dunk outlander town probably lacks the mercury for primers, or the nickel required for keeping breeches gas-tight.
Therefore, a blackpowder musket and pistol would be PERFECT for "outlander" factions. Everything you need to make and shoot a blackpowder musket/pistol can be made from stuff you have on a farm (blacksmith shop, animal pens, etc)
You said that building primitive weapons are often not that simple, but it's logical for you that outlanders would have blackpower weapons (that they made)? I don't get your point.... Remember that Rimworls is based in 5000 year or something like that, blackpowder weapons are very old even NOW, so no one would sell them for sure, making weapons from like that isn't realistic and don't fit in Rimworld logic (if they can make these weapons why player can't?). To actually be able to make any shooting weapons you would need to make a history of mankind on another planet or be a real colonists (with your ship and everything). Outlanders are like players - their ship crashed, they don't have much technology etc. It's easier to learn something that was popular on their worlds than learn about things that are super-old, even if they're simple as fuck refering to ultra-modern weapons. For me only fraction that was on planet long enough to make a whole civilization with school, scientists etc. should be capable to make both knights armors and blackpowder weapons (if long enough, if not then they should be in medieval era). It's not that simple to just skip hundreds of years of learning. Modern people wouldn't even know how blackpowder weapons was created, not talking about making them. Anyway it's hard to discuss about these things, because Rimworld logic is really fucked up. Like you can't make any blackpower weapon but you can build a ship with a bare hands. I would agree with you in another game, but sorry, it's Rimworld and his logic.
Quote from: Mr.Cross on August 13, 2015, 10:56:43 AM
If we are dicussing a lack of weapons in certain time frames why is the title "Greater Variety in Weapon Art
Because my original point wasn't directly pointed at lack of weapons as there's a decent amount in vanilla already mostly.
I simply want what we do have, to have different names and ape range from various parts in the future, hence greater variety in weapon art. Not just modern day + charge rifle.
Also, about gun powder weapons.
It makes perfect sense they wouldn't be there. (Didn't see sir Francis drake cruising the stars). It only makes sense to have various eras of weapons from the moment in the lore when all this space travel took off. Let's imagine for the sake of it that it is 2100 when humanity leaves for colonisation.
However there still wouldn't be many 'current' day weapons. Mostly stuff created after now which is why it's a little odd that modern weapons make up the majority in a future far past the likes of Halo.
The AK family of guns are the most common guns on the planet and are still used to fight wars all over our planet. They all come from the AK47, with just modernisations over the years. It's reliable, easy to maintain and simple to make. I have literally seen a blind man forging them by hand from handmade parts in a mudbrick house in the desert. They still kill people just as well as when they were first made. There is no reason that they won't still be used for another 50 years - that's 100 years using the same gun. I'm not saying I will be using it in 3000 years time, just that our current level of tech is both really easy to obtain and really good at killing people. I could see why a 'assault rifle' would be one of the main weapons of people on the rim.
Honestly though, we build turrets out of just pure steel, along with solar panels, batteries, and tons of technology. It's not that hard to image we can make pilas and bows pretty easily. Also:
Quote from: Mikhail Reign on August 16, 2015, 03:12:18 AM
I have literally seen a blind man forging them by hand from handmade parts in a mudbrick house in the desert.
... What?
Yup pretty crazy huh? It was Afghanistan. Some blind guy was selling AK's he made him self. He was forging some of the parts in little stone furnaces.
Quote from: Mikhail Reign on August 16, 2015, 11:09:03 PM
Yup pretty crazy huh? It was Afghanistan. Some blind guy was selling AK's he made him self. He was forging some of the parts in little stone furnaces.
Are you sure he was blind? Like you know, maybe he was acting blind man so even most evil people didn't want to kill him and take his shit? :D
His eyes were white. Looked pretty convincing. He had a couple of kids rounding around doing stuff as well so he wasn't alone if that's what you were getting at. He also wasn't making tgewhole guns himself - I can't remember the pieces he was making, but an AK is mostly just pressed plate and a couple of machined bits.