No updates for a while. What happened?
Quote from: litlbear on September 23, 2015, 02:03:15 PM
No updates for a while. What happened?
Tynan is on hiatus/holidays for a couple of months if I remember clearly
The last update came out about a Month ago (i think).
Tynan does what he can, he doesnt have a big company with 100+ people that work on the game, i think tynan is making this game alone so give him time
From dev blog (1st July).
"In the meantime, though, I think it's time for a bit of a break. I've been working on RimWorld and its prototypes for going on three years straight now, and my hours are usually pretty long. I'm starting to feel a bit of burnout. I often seem to develop this dull ache behind the eyes after a couple hours of work. I have trouble concentrating for the lengths of time that used to be normal for me. For that reason – and just because I believe in having a life that isn't all work – I'm taking some time off from full-time RimWorld development starting in September. Currently it's looking like it'll be about six months. I'll still be around to interact, but I won't be developing constantly like I have been."
I'd call development paused,it sounds less final than stopped.
I think it gives more time for modders to update or expand their existing mods without the threat of the mods becoming outdated. It can also allow for new modders to enter the scene and hone their skills.
To be fair, he also posted this a while back:
QuoteSo is it done? I've thought a lot about what it means to call a game "done". Ten years ago, a game was done when it was printed to disc. But with digital distribution, we never lose the ability to keep changing a game. So when is a game done? Is it just when you stop adding things? No, because a game can be abandoned without being finished. Is it when there's nothing else that could be added? That's not reasonable; I could work on RimWorld for 50 years and never satisfy that. In the end, I think that a game is done when promises have been fulfilled, and there aren't holes in the design. And we're reached that point, so RimWorld is done.
That said, just because RimWorld is done doesn't necessarily mean I'm done with it.
While a bit ambiguous (and he goes on to add that he intends to work more on the game), I don't think you should expect huge changes to the core game anytime soon. Animal taming was a pretty big change, and there is some work to do there still. After that, it's probably about time for the Steam release, and I don't see a whole lot of time for major changes before that. That's just my opnion though, and it's hard to say exactly what will happen between now and the Steam release, also considering we don't know if the release will be early or late 2016.
I just hope colonist relations and better faction interaction (rhymes dawg)
would be added before it's considered "done".
Well, whatever is not done...there will always be mods...
And there was a thread about doing another funding event to hire Tynan for another year long development =)
Don't know how that ended tho...think it was on the positive end
While I understand the need for a vacation 6 month's is a very long vacation lol. Most people work 40-70 hours a week and only get 4-8 weeks off a year so I am finding it hard to support his move, and I would not be surprised if he is starting on a new project during that period honestly. But hopefully he comes back refreshed regardless of my opinion and gets back to cracking and does the Steam release after finishing up the game(or while).
Well, i do see steam apps is in the rimworld folder. So i think that he will get on that as soon as he comes back
Tynan's been putting off his break for awhile; one reason he was big on stability and held off on some changes he might have otherwise made for the latest build was for this reason.
Tynan seems pretty strict about intensive iteration, and is also strict about taking breaks from it. He works a lot longer than an eight hour 9-5 schedule. I'm tired of seeing devs get burnt out on games. Plus keep in mind there's lots of activity going on behind the scenes, lots of content getting iterated, prep that hasn't come to the surface yet.
Quote from: TynanI'm a little burned out and I've been working on some marketing stuff and learning some new programming skills.
https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=13772.msg141263#msg141263
It was a few months ago but he started a thread asking people about his break. He actually had the thought of releasing it on Steam before his break. But we all advised against it as that might ruin the games reputation if it was released and then not updated for at least six months.
I agree with the other fellow here. Six months is a rather long break and the average worker wouldn't be able to pull this off. But I'd say, he's made the extra money to make this happen. So, whatever.
He deserves the break, everyone's deserves a holiday, and in the content creation business, it's doubly true, cause if they get burnt out, then that content creation flow burns out too, I'd rather wait 6 months and having him return with a fresh mindset than have the remainder of this time with him in a perpetually bummed out mood. :)
Sometimes people just need time off, and if it's 6 months worth, Is it really so much to ask?
On time off - my impression is that Tynan has been working on Rimworld without any significant breaks for 3+ years. That simply isn't sustainable. Whether his break should be 3 months or 6 months etc isn't really the business of anyone on this forum, so long as you've received what was advertised when you paid (and I think this is true for essentially all of us). As with any holiday, that's between Tynan and his employer (himself); if you are so envious of his flexibility and income simply develop and sell a popular indie game.
I look forward to development starting again, but find complaints about the break weaselly.
I just bought this game after following development for years now. I had no idea he decided to take a 6 month break. I actually wish I hadn't bought the game now. I do like it, but it is not finished. He made brief mention of a break in his recent dev blog on the main site, but I assumed that meant a month or so... not half a year. I wish him the best, but I am upset about this now. I don't have a lot of money and only bought it because of the progress he has recently been making. He really should put this on his main website for people to see, so people like me could have saved their money for a game that is being worked on or already finished.
Quote from: akiceabear on September 25, 2015, 08:10:25 PM
On time off... if you are so envious of his flexibility and income simply develop and sell a popular indie game...
exactly and, if you still have the time: try and question your own reasoning with what you estimate being the true normal work load for any kind of jobs
before applying it to others, plz...
Quote from: captiva on September 25, 2015, 11:04:44 PM
... He really should put this on his main website for people to see, so people like me could have saved their money for a game that is being worked on or already finished.
Oh my... Then work on it during the while, I dunno!
But don't try to finish it though, you might burn out!
Quote from: captiva on September 25, 2015, 11:04:44 PM
I just bought this game after following development for years now. I had no idea he decided to take a 6 month break. I actually wish I hadn't bought the game now. I do like it, but it is not finished. He made brief mention of a break in his recent dev blog on the main site, but I assumed that meant a month or so... not half a year. I wish him the best, but I am upset about this now. I don't have a lot of money and only bought it because of the progress he has recently been making. He really should put this on his main website for people to see, so people like me could have saved their money for a game that is being worked on or already finished.
Oh well, boo hoo... ;D
I tell ya, you won't be running out of things too do if you *JUST* bought it. I've had it since like A8? Or A7? Like, an alpha or two before Epyic Pack came out, And I've still not ran out of things to do. And if you do run out (which I dought), grab a mod... like my mods... Or a modpack, like HC, or UOM... better yet! Grab a Modpack then add my mod, like what I do. End of story is: Play with mah mods... be like me... throw bricks with hands and catch with face.
SHAMELESS ADVERTISEMENT OF MY MODS
I feel that he's always made very clear you shouldn't buy the game on the expectation of further development - if that is how you feel, you should wait until games are "final".
Quote from: akiceabear on September 26, 2015, 02:24:25 AM
I feel that he's always made very clear you shouldn't buy the game on the expectation of further development - if that is how you feel, you should wait until games are "final".
Its always a gamble when you by EA games... but you know what? I think its pretty good in its current state, if Ty desapears overnight and never comes back I'd be fine. I might be a little angry, but I still wouldn't think I've been ripped off.
I am just voicing my opinion. Don't need a bunch of rude fan boys talking crap. I am disappointed he quit developing the game and did not make this well known on his main page. I have spent 30 dollars on less, but am still disappointed all the same.
This is just my opinion no need to be jackasses about it.
Quote from: captiva on September 26, 2015, 07:08:57 AM
I am disappointed he quit developing the game and did not make this well known on his main page. I have spent 30 dollars on less, but am still disappointed all the same.
He never stopped developing Rimworld, all he did is going on long holidays which he absolutely deserve.
And to be completely honest: Rimworld is already at a point where it has a lot of content and modability to offer.
The core game gives you a solid base what you want from a colony simulator and additional mods (or even modding yourself), makes the game even more awesome, giving you greater challenges, more content and simply much more fun.
Especially the fact that this game is mostly an One-Man-Project astounds me everytime and if he has worked non-stop over 3 years on Rimworld, those 6 months may give him new ideas as like enough energy and motivation to continue Rimworld.
Quote from: Coenmcj on September 25, 2015, 07:48:11 PM
He deserves the break, everyone's deserves a holiday, and in the content creation business, it's doubly true, cause if they get burnt out, then that content creation flow burns out too
As somebody who knows Artists, artblock and burnout is the death of bigger projects and damages the quality of the end product massively.
So I totally agree with this, Tynan has given us a great game to enjoy and we should be thankful, throw our money at him and give him time to cool off so he can refocus on the game when he comes back.
Quote from: captiva on September 26, 2015, 07:08:57 AM
I am just voicing my opinion. Don't need a bunch of rude fan boys talking crap. I am disappointed he quit developing the game and did not make this well known on his main page. I have spent 30 dollars on less, but am still disappointed all the same.
This is just my opinion no need to be jackasses about it.
1- He didn't quit developing... he just took a vacation
2- You totaly misunderstood what I men't, or else you wouldn't be calling me a 'Jackass' and a 'Fan boy'. I was simply stating MY opinion. I'm sorry for offending
your very delicate piece of glass you call you.
Quote from: A Friend on September 21, 2015, 12:00:16 AM
Our lord and saviour blessed us weekly with bugfixes, and monthly updates and replied to us equally in the community praying site.
This perfect world went on and on for 12 more A's... until...
"Hai guys, I'm gonna be taking a 6 month break. Getting pretty burned out here. Won't be much updates until then."
Our lord and saviour has chosen to abandon us. Hope for content and bugfixes evaporated.
The community was in turmoil. Some calmed themselves with hope of his return.
"cmon guys its only 6months."
While others plunged deep into the realm of hopelessness.
"6 Months? what the fuck, you gotta be kidding me. I'm not playing this buggy mess."
.2-.8% of current Rimworld players (depends a lot on demographic data I don't have) will die before the next time Tynan's even scheduled himself to look at the game. -So right off the bat, Tynan has damned those paying customers to never seeing Rimworld beyond early release (...??? Do license keys pass on death, legally?). Since decent studies on prison rape are almost impossible to find, I'm just going to go ahead and say it's more likely for you to die before the next major release than be anally molested in a US prison if you were convicted for a 5-year sentence and served it fully. (what is the r value for prison security level and molestation? Government grants for this necessary)
Tynan is... late twenties, non-smoker, maybe? There's a significant chance he'll die, too, but probably a greater chance he'll be convicted of a crime and anally molested in a prison. Food for thought in this meaningful, productive discussion on our feelings.
i am assuming that tynan climbed up a mountain (barehanded) to train with legendary ninja-coding monks to help ease out his mind for the next evolution of rimworld..
..like adding z-levels, water dynamics, pvp/co-op multiplay, more intuitive RTS group controls, better graphics, and sexy times.. hahaha..
but everything else almost looks perfect for an indie EA. tynan should be proud of what he accomplished so far, but the long hiatus feels like a cliffhanger..
here's to hoping there'd be a rimworld : season 2, once tynan gets a second wind..
edit : it doesn't have to be AAA next-gen graphics, but maybe something like these will do :
(http://images.eurogamer.net/2013/usgamer/DotE1.jpg)
I love this game like anyone else and am enjoying the mods. The problem I have is that Tynan is charging quite a lot for an early access game. He's making money on it, and since people are paying him good money for this game, he should put as much effort as he can to continually update it. Yeah, you got to give the guy serious props for getting the game where it is now, and one person can only do so much. But try to see things from other perspectives. $30 is a lot of money for some people and it is disappointing to get the feeling that you're left hanging by the developer. Maybe better communication from Tynan to the community about the current state of the game and development plans. I think that if those people are reassured that the game will be further developed, they'll be satisfied with that
Quote from: GOForce3 on September 26, 2015, 05:16:00 PM
I love this game like anyone else and am enjoying the mods. The problem I have is that Tynan is charging quite a lot for an early access game. He's making money on it, and since people are paying him good money for this game, he should put as much effort as he can to continually update it. Yeah, you got to give the guy serious props for getting the game where it is now, and one person can only do so much. But try to see things from other perspectives. $30 is a lot of money for some people and it is disappointing to get the feeling that you're left hanging by the developer. Maybe better communication from Tynan to the community about the current state of the game and development plans. I think that if those people are reassured that the game will be further developed, they'll be satisfied with that
Well, he DID tell us that perhaps colonist relationships were going to be in the next alpha, that is something yeah ?
And he is lurking around the forum at times.
nobody knows, but Tynan, and I truly doubt if he does... in six months he may have just moved onto to another interesting project to him. Look at the history he has made public, game development is only one area he likes to do. He never promises anything, and always keeps plans private.
I have gotten many hours of enjoyment out of the $30 I spent. From that point of view I am satisfied.
Tynan would make a great politician, as he really never says anything, but people hear so much.... perhaps, maybe, he might, well maybe in the next alpha, that part people miss, but lock onto next alpha is colonist relationships.
If Tynan returns, Animal husbandry has some huge problems that need addressed before any other new additions.
Quote from: TLHeart on September 26, 2015, 05:53:58 PM
nobody knows, but Tynan, and I truly doubt if he does... in six months he may have just moved onto to another interesting project to him. Look at the history he has made public, game development is only one area he likes to do. He never promises anything, and always keeps plans private.
I have gotten many hours of enjoyment out of the $30 I spent. From that point of view I am satisfied.
Tynan would make a great politician, as he really never says anything, but people hear so much.... perhaps, maybe, he might, well maybe in the next alpha, that part people miss, but lock onto next alpha is colonist relationships.
If Tynan returns, Animal husbandry has some huge problems that need addressed before any other new additions.
Animal Husbandry has problems ? ( oh yeah, the egg thing and lots of other stuff too >_< )
Animals are a thing?
Like, I havn't found a use for animals... like they simply die from raids overnight without me noticing...
When a colinist dies I care... I'd replay an hours for of game JUST to insure they don't die. But when the animals dies I don't care. Not becuase they're useless, but instead because I'm never told they died. They've become disposable bots for all I care, they all die in the first month and I NEVER notice.
He has done a lot of amazing work recently. He deserves a break.
I simply can not fathom how any of you could be against a person taking a vacation after 3 years of solid work..
Do none of you have a job?
Quote from: mcal9909 on September 27, 2015, 12:14:15 PM
I simply can not fathom how any of you could be against a person taking a vacation after 3 years of solid work..
Do none of you have a job?
1- Yes I have a job
2- No, I'm not against him taking a break, he deervs it.
Quote from: captiva on September 26, 2015, 07:08:57 AM
I am just voicing my opinion. Don't need a bunch of rude fan boys talking crap. I am disappointed he quit developing the game and did not make this well known on his main page. I have spent 30 dollars on less, but am still disappointed all the same.
This is just my opinion no need to be jackasses about it.
Mind you Captiva they aren't being douchebags per-se, it's just Tynan voiced his break on all major facets including the website, the forums, the Sub-Reddit, and his Twitter. If you weren't aware then I dare say not much research went into the health of the game prior to your purchase, but don't fret friend, the game is healthy and despite the break it's not like the game is going to be dropped. Tynan is on vacation for now, something he hasn't gotten for about three to four years, this is a time for him to refresh and come back better than ever.
Your 30 dollars is far from wasted as not only can you cram through the main assets in the game that Tynan added but you also have the ability to go into our well kept modding sub-board and download mods that, well in some cases, triple or quadruple the amount of content that Tynan has in the Vanilla edition of the game itself.
Thats it!
We need to sell him to slavers, buy new programmer and upgrade his eyes to bionic
Hey I'm on a trip, not dead!
I'm also still around. Just not enough to keep up day to day on the forums.
However Piotr is working fulltime on the game under my ongoing direction. If he works all the way through, the next release may have quite a bit of new stuff in it indeed. Possibly 2x or more the usual man hours in an alpha (though much of it may be non-obvious refactoring work.)
6 months may seem like a long time but it'll be like 15% of the game's dev time by the end of it. Not a big deal in the grand scheme. Moreover the game has more content than was ever promised. The marketing page doesn't even mention animal taming/training at all. So I'm comfortable with what we're offering now.
On its current version, rimwolrd has enough stuff to have a great experience playing it. Surgery and medicine, events, fights, crops, hunting... And a big etcetera. I'm triying to finish an aventure in phoebe level 4/5 and I'm having a lot of fun.
Given that the only reason I could really be dissatisfied with the game is because it still has a huge amount of potential, I don't really think I could complain if it stopped developing tomorrow.
The game's fun, it's a pretty complete experience, it doesn't feel lacking as much as it feels like it's got a huge potential for expansion, while the two may feel similar, I don't think they're the same thing.
Quote from: Tynan on September 28, 2015, 11:54:56 AM
However Piotr is working fulltime on the game under my ongoing direction. If he works all the way through, the next release may have quite a bit of new stuff in it indeed.
I'm curious what sort of feel the next release will have to it. I'm picturing RimWorld turning into a hyper-realistic tower defense game with lots of quick time event boss battles, to be specific.
Quote from: Tynan on September 28, 2015, 11:54:56 AM
However Piotr is working fulltime on the game under my ongoing direction. If he works all the way through, the next release may have quite a bit of new stuff in it indeed. Possibly 2x or more the usual man hours in an alpha (though much of it may be non-obvious refactoring work.)
Any sneak peeks you can share with us? And maybe a ballpark time frame when the new updated will be released? It's exciting to see that there will be a major update coming.
Nooooooo! No more asking Tynan about stuff! He needs this vacation or he's going to say "Aww I didn't get enough vacation because people keep pestering me in the forums. I'll take a year off this time." and we'll all be kaputz.
A little pestering is healthy, shows we miss him.
Quote from: Tynan on September 28, 2015, 11:54:56 AM
Hey I'm on a trip, not dead!
I'm also still around. Just not enough to keep up day to day on the forums.
However Piotr is working fulltime on the game under my ongoing direction. If he works all the way through, the next release may have quite a bit of new stuff in it indeed. Possibly 2x or more the usual man hours in an alpha (though much of it may be non-obvious refactoring work.)
6 months may seem like a long time but it'll be like 15% of the game's dev time by the end of it. Not a big deal in the grand scheme. Moreover the game has more content than was ever promised. The marketing page doesn't even mention animal taming/training at all. So I'm comfortable with what we're offering now.
Take your time. Hell, you pretty exceeded my expectations few major updates ago.
First time I heard of this Piotr. Has he been with you for long? He sounds like someone who would play Planetside 2 on the side... probably on the side of those dirty reds. :P
If you look around the forums, Piotr can be found under his username ison. Usually in the context of someone asking for help and Tynan answering something like "ison is on it" which has an added bonus of sounding nice.
Just to throw my 2p in.
I bought Rimworld on 26 sep and have played it non stop.
Rimworld looks to me to have 10 years of replay value in it, (in its current state).
I'm happy with the price tag, comparable to a visit to the cinema and or a single take away its a bargain.
I'm glad the dev is taking a break, 3 years is a long time to not have a good holiday.
I'm really surprised how stable and bug free the game is, for a small dev project this an incredible accomplishment. Well done and thank you :D
That is what makes Rimworld unique. Always room to add more and make it more fun and a deeper overall experience.
Enjoy your trip Tynan. I'm happy to hear development continues under your direction. :)
Quote from: Tynan on September 28, 2015, 11:54:56 AM
Hey I'm on a trip, not dead!
I'm also still around. Just not enough to keep up day to day on the forums.
However Piotr is working fulltime on the game under my ongoing direction. If he works all the way through, the next release may have quite a bit of new stuff in it indeed. Possibly 2x or more the usual man hours in an alpha (though much of it may be non-obvious refactoring work.)
6 months may seem like a long time but it'll be like 15% of the game's dev time by the end of it. Not a big deal in the grand scheme. Moreover the game has more content than was ever promised. The marketing page doesn't even mention animal taming/training at all. So I'm comfortable with what we're offering now.
First off I think you gotta do what you gotta do, but I would not have bought your game if I had seen you were going to stop working on it for half a year (would have waited) and think it should at least be mentioned in your dev blog as it seems pretty relevant, 6 months is a long break.
Second, you might have more features in game then on the front page, however the game is very clearly marked as an Alpha, not a finished product. I did not buy the game for the features listed on the front page, I bought it under the impression it is still a work in progress and because you had been making so much good progress recently. Calling it a Beta would be more assuming to a feature complete game and then maybe I would feel less inclined to expect more features and progress. If you think the game is in a feature compete state then you should reflect that in your marketing, not get snappy at people who expect an unfinished game to be getting more content.
I hope we can see some progress on the game from Piotr, I guess its better then nothing for half a year.
You already got my money, so I suppose this is all just a moot point. Enjoy your vacation.
Quote from: captiva on September 29, 2015, 07:02:14 PM
... think it should at least be mentioned in your dev blog as it seems pretty relevant, 6 months is a long break ...
Like part way though this:
https://ludeon.com/blog/2015/07/on-the-upcoming-steam-release/
QuoteI'm taking some time off from full-time RimWorld development starting in September. Currently it's looking like it'll be about six months. I'll still be around to interact, but I won't be developing constantly like I have been.
Admittedly it could have been made more prominent and given it's own post, but it is there if you are reading them.
Quote from: captiva on September 29, 2015, 07:02:14 PM
-snip
Second, you might have more features in game then on the front page, however the game is very clearly marked as an Alpha, not a finished product. I did not buy the game for the features listed on the front page, I bought it under the impression it is still a work in progress and because you had been making so much good progress recently. Calling it a Beta would be more assuming to a feature complete game and then maybe I would feel less inclined to expect more features and progress. If you think the game is in a feature compete state then you should reflect that in your marketing, not get snappy at people who expect an unfinished game to be getting more content.
I hope we can see some progress on the game from Piotr, I guess its better then nothing for half a year.
You already got my money, so I suppose this is all just a moot point. Enjoy your vacation.
This very point has been brought to Tynan's attention more than once, but seems to not see the difference it makes. His answer is always the same, only purchase the game as is, don't expect any more from him.
At last published account, which he no longer does, 90,000 copies had been sold... 90,000 * 30 = 2.7 million dollars over 3 years.
Quote from: Tynan on September 28, 2015, 11:54:56 AM6 months may seem like a long time but it'll be like 15% of the game's dev time by the end of it.
(https://i.imgur.com/vVIrs.jpg)
So, it'll be done next summer?
As Tynan said, I'm working on the RimWorld now, so I guess the development is not stopped.
QuoteFirst time I heard of this Piotr. Has he been with you for long?
I've started working on RimWorld in June 2014, but I had a 9-months break from October to June 2015, and now I'm back and will hopefully stay until the end of the RimWorld's development.
Quote from: ison on October 02, 2015, 07:38:01 AM
As Tynan said, I'm working on the RimWorld now, so I guess the development is not stopped.
QuoteFirst time I heard of this Piotr. Has he been with you for long?
I've started working on RimWorld in June 2014, but I had a 9-months break from October to June 2015, and now I'm back and will hopefully stay until the end of the RimWorld's development.
Ah, nice. Are you going to update the Rimworld change log? That's pretty much the way I imagine most of us have followed recent developments over the years.
Quote from: Jarwy on October 02, 2015, 08:42:52 AM
Quote from: ison on October 02, 2015, 07:38:01 AM
As Tynan said, I'm working on the RimWorld now, so I guess the development is not stopped.
QuoteFirst time I heard of this Piotr. Has he been with you for long?
I've started working on RimWorld in June 2014, but I had a 9-months break from October to June 2015, and now I'm back and will hopefully stay until the end of the RimWorld's development.
Ah, nice. Are you going to update the Rimworld change log? That's pretty much the way I imagine most of us have followed recent developments over the years.
Hmm, interesting idea. I'll ask Tynan.
YES! ISON IS ON THE CASE!
Damn it. You beat me to it StorymasterQ!
Quote from: ison on October 02, 2015, 07:38:01 AM
As Tynan said, I'm working on the RimWorld now, so I guess the development is not stopped.
QuoteFirst time I heard of this Piotr. Has he been with you for long?
I've started working on RimWorld in June 2014, but I had a 9-months break from October to June 2015, and now I'm back and will hopefully stay until the end of the RimWorld's development.
Welcome back ison, enjoy your stay, looking forward to the future happenings.
Quote from: ison on October 03, 2015, 04:10:17 PM
Quote from: Jarwy on October 02, 2015, 08:42:52 AM
Quote from: ison on October 02, 2015, 07:38:01 AM
As Tynan said, I'm working on the RimWorld now, so I guess the development is not stopped.
QuoteFirst time I heard of this Piotr. Has he been with you for long?
I've started working on RimWorld in June 2014, but I had a 9-months break from October to June 2015, and now I'm back and will hopefully stay until the end of the RimWorld's development.
Ah, nice. Are you going to update the Rimworld change log? That's pretty much the way I imagine most of us have followed recent developments over the years.
Hmm, interesting idea. I'll ask Tynan.
Yup, I have his work log page set as a homepage so I can get excited about new things that are to come :D