Rimworld is too expensive, I bought it cause I can and willing to but 30$ that is too much. I'm from Russia and the game costs 30$ that's 1950 RUB, and when I see a game like Cities Skyline cost 499 RUB that is 7,68$ I have to ask myself why is that? Clearly there is way more man hours in Cities. And on different forums I see a lot of people that just get a pirate copy, so isn't better to just adjust the price a bit so more people would be able to the a good game. And if Cities is a bad example for you, then look at games like Elite: Dangerous 2249 RUB, H1Z1 899 RUB, Rainbow Six Siege 1999 RUB. I love Rimworld but those games that I mentioned are in a different league (not saying that RW is bad, it's just other games are way way more detailed.) And I would love to know why is it so expensive? I don't thank that Rimworld will ever be a AAA game, but it is a good game right now. Just my thoughts.
P.S. sorry for grammar mistakes english is not my native language.
I can honestly say i have spent $30 and never looked back i have sean the game grow to this state and the re-play value alone is better then many games i have played, then there is the mods now yes you may not like mods but for rimworld you gain access to heaps of possibility e.g zombie defense sim or farming sim. So too me for $30 i have got heaps out where i spend $10 on some games play and never return.
Quote from: blaze7736 on September 27, 2015, 05:20:46 AM
I spend $10 on some games play and never return.
Agree. But what about Pirate King Pack ($200) :o that is ridiculous you can buy a PS3 for that. And still if I could get my 30$ back and download a pirate version, I think I would.
And after I played the game with mods I never played it again with out them. And that is credit to the modding community and not Ludeon.
It costs lots because of the fact that Tynan and a couple of other volunteers are working on the game, and they can't make 12+ alpha versions, all drastically different and better, without funding.
Also, having such an high price, would discourage CoD kids to buy it, play it, come to the comunity and wreck havoc.
Lol, that too!
Quote from: Louisthebadassrimworlder on September 27, 2015, 05:43:05 AM
It costs lots because of the fact that Tynan and a couple of other volunteers are working on the game, and they can't make 12+ alpha versions, all drastically different and better, without funding.
Are you serious, I'm as a consumer don't care if he does it himself alone and works 25 hours a day, or a group of 100+ people do the game. All that you want to see is the final game work flawless and that drags you in. Or not? Maybe you want to pay 30 bucks and just wait and wait and wait. And then just say that he is working alone and all that stuff. Maybe you bought this game for that? Just tell me do you think that the difficulty of making Rimworld is in any comparison to Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six® Siege?
Quote from: Wex on September 27, 2015, 05:57:21 AM
Also, having such an high price, would discourage CoD kids to buy it, play it, come to the comunity and wreck havoc.
Nonsense Call of Duty costs more than Rimworld. And those kids don't buy the game just because its not interesting for them. Also are you trying to say that there is no one >15 years old on forums that plays the game. If you don't want "havoc" in the community than you need moderators not a high price for the game. And all those kids bring money to the developer. If what and as I see it that is why this game is published, to bring money, and not because of the great community that it can gather.
could alway have waited a few years for it to go on a steam sale maybe?
Or should i apologise to the guy holding a gun to your head forcing you to buy it?
Quotejust tell me do you think that the difficulty of making Rimworld is in any comparison to Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six® Siege?
um okay so your comparing an indie developer of mostly of a 1 man team to a company that has been running for 29 years has a revenue of 1 billion dollars and over 9000 employees and saying i see no difference in how hard it is to make the game.
Quotewhat about Pirate King Pack ($200)
The higher tiered packs are meant for sponsorship of the game to say hay i have cash and i will give it too see this game developed more and as a token give me something small ingame. It is not meant for every day buyers.
Quote from: Fernbhoy on September 27, 2015, 06:45:24 AM
could alway have waited a few years for it to go on a steam sale maybe?
Or should i apologise to the guy holding a gun to your head forcing you to buy it?
I did, I bought this game when it was alpha 4. And you know what? Not that much changed for a year. Nothing special. I never said that I want my money back. I just said that that is too much for this game and asked why. It's not worth it. There is a lot of other games for less that play great and give you the same if not more gameplay experience.
And I'm not going to answer to the second part of your message, acting like a kid.
How many hours have you played since A4?
too be honest this post is rely just looking too start a fight
No
Quote from: blaze7736 on September 27, 2015, 06:56:07 AM
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um okay so your comparing an indie developer of mostly of a 1 man team to a company that has been running for 29 years has a revenue of 1 billion dollars and over 9000 employees and saying i see no difference in how hard it is to make the game.
I am comparing them for an example. The game cost more than half of the AAA games out there. And that is nonsense for me. But great deal for the developer. I'm sad so see that for me the game is dying. And there is not much of improvement from alpha to alpha. All I'm asking why so much?
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The higher tiered packs are meant for sponsorship of the game to say hay i have cash and i will give it too see this game developed more and as a token give me something small ingame. It is not meant for every day buyers.
Ok I had no clue on this, thanks for the answer. ;)
Quote from: blaze7736 on September 27, 2015, 07:08:06 AM
too be honest this post is rely just looking too start a fight
and who wants that? just a simple question that no one will answer, polite at least.
The game hasn't changed much in a year?
Do yourself a favour, don't play Dwarf Fortress :D
Quote from: Fernbhoy on September 27, 2015, 07:19:52 AM
The game hasn't changed much in a year?
Do yourself a favour, don't play Dwarf Fortress :D
never did...
I hasn't, did it? What has been added, that changes the game so much that you should have waited for it years?
okay so this is why it cost so much - Tyann has to live and not have a second job or do freelance work he also has to buy assets and stuff now yes there are big gaps between alphas but they could be much bigger if he had to manage a side job and no team. now in comparison other game company's are bigger and factor in ways to make money other ways. Also on the surface rim world appears to be a simple game like realy how hard could it be but underneath there is a lot of work gone into making every thing the best it can be, each alpha more nice systems are implemented. Now another reason Tyann can make it $30 is its not just about playing the game if you wanted a full game buy it at the end or in beta, but in alpha you are in for the development and to watch it grow that is why i think $30 is fine. Also 500+ hours are you not happy like most major game company s only factor in 80 hours of game play.
Quote from: blaze7736 on September 27, 2015, 07:24:18 AM
okay so this is why it cost so much - Tyann has to live and not have a second job or do freelance work he also has to buy assets and stuff now yes there are big gaps between alphas but they could be much bigger if he had to manage a side job and no team. now in comparison other game company's are bigger and factor in ways to make money other ways. Also on the surface rim world appears to be a simple game like realy how hard could it be but underneath there is a lot of work gone into making every thing the best it can be, each alpha more nice systems are implemented. Now another reason Tyann can make it $30 is its not just about playing the game if you wanted a full game buy it at the end or in beta, but in alpha you are in for the development and to watch it grow that is why i think $30 is fine. Also 500+ hours are you not happy like most major game company s only factor in 80 hours of game play.
We will see where it goes. 500+ is only because of different mods. If it wasn't for them I would play something else. The worst thing to hear is that "Tyann has to live and not have a second job or do freelance work". It doesn't matter that is just bla bla bla. If he sold at least if he at least sold 100 000 copies that is 3 000 000 $ . Look I'm glad that I got my hands on this game but and thank you for your answer. You are right we will see what this game lives to be.
also it is thanks to tyann for making the game so modable
Can't be that glad since you said if you had a choice you'd get a refund and pirate the game :D
Back to the original comment, you compared this to Cities Skylines. Cities Skylines has the backing of Paradox for starters, and has been in "development" since 2009. The base work of it began with Cities in Motion, more added in Cities in Motion 2 and Cities Skylines is basicly 80% of the coding developed by a dev team for over 6 years, with funding from 1 games that have both been #1 on the steam rankings and are still selling.
Not to count the added income and development from DLC's for both games, and even Cities Skylines was released unfinished, only difference is Ty is isn't charging us extra for a day and night cycle and some roads that were added by "MODDERS" for free before hand ;) (i'm not hitting on Colossal Order btw, even as i type i'm playing C:SL :D )
Alot of those titles are sold in stores and online retailers however, which judging by steam's current policy to increase prices by 10% for all Aussies (our current economy has gone downhill), means that It's likely to be sold at varying prices in varying countries for similar reasons, I'd imagine those in Greece share a similar fate.
Rimworld however, is sold directly by the developer and doesn't take into account different cultures or their current economical situations like the aforementioned Steam policy, It's just one big, all rounded price tag.
Complains about spending 30 bucks for 500+ hours of entertainment.
Says he wishes he had pirated it instead.
Troll or stupid imo.
Its expensive because Tynan believes thats what its worth. I agreed, and so i spent thirty dollars. You apparently agreed, and spent 30$. Thats it, thats what makes it worth 30 dollars. If you dont think its worth 30 dollars for 400+ hours of content then A) yer daft and B) tough titties, you already paid an said "yeah, thats worth it" an in future you should do yer research. games are worth what we pay for them. If we want them, and the developer charges more, and we still feel ok buying it, then thats what its worth. Welcome to capitalism. Its also the same place where bread can sell on ebay for 100's of dollars and shitty mechanics can charge you more for something better mechanics would charge you less for. Its really that simple.
however, i would point out that since you did actually get 100's of hours of value, thats like 4 cents an hour or something ridiculous, so dont expect anyone to think you were hard done by :\
Everyone, let's please keep this civil. I really hate warning and banning. Please consider this a friendly reminder of rules #2 (no sustained hostility or anger venting), #3 (do not escalate), and #6 (no piracy & no discussions of game piracy).
It's a fair question OP is asking - in his country and in his experience, games cost much less. Coming from that perspective, it's fair that he's surprised by this. The short answer is that in Tynan's country & similar countries (Canada, USA, UK) this is actually a very inexpensive price, especially for the time and enjoyment you get from it.
It's one thing to have buyer's regret, but it's another to complain about it many months/years later after having already gotten hundreds of hours of enjoyment from it. I also bought the game for $30 USD back in Alpha 3, and I don't regret a single penny of it. (If you're bored or dissatisfied with the game, you should either give it a break or else check out the mods section - there's some fantastic stuff in there!)
I have to agree with the OP, while I have liked the game it is to expensive in all honesty when comparing it to similar projects(other indie games average $10-$20). Also to the post above me I live in the USA :P.
Quote from: Oga88 on September 27, 2015, 04:46:16 AM
Rimworld is too expensive, I bought it cause I can and willing to but 30$ that is too much. I'm from Russia and the game costs 30$ that's 1950 RUB, and when I see a game like Cities Skyline cost 499 RUB that is 7,68$ I have to ask myself why is that? Clearly there is way more man hours in Cities. And on different forums I see a lot of people that just get a pirate copy, so isn't better to just adjust the price a bit so more people would be able to the a good game. And if Cities is a bad example for you, then look at games like Elite: Dangerous 2249 RUB, H1Z1 899 RUB, Rainbow Six Siege 1999 RUB. I love Rimworld but those games that I mentioned are in a different league (not saying that RW is bad, it's just other games are way way more detailed.) And I would love to know why is it so expensive? I don't thank that Rimworld will ever be a AAA game, but it is a good game right now. Just my thoughts.
P.S. sorry for grammar mistakes english is not my native language.
This question is asked from a pure consumer perspective, and the first thing I want to point out is this is an Alpha software. Hence, is not meant for pure consumer purchase...and of course not stopping end consumers to buy it early.
It is very common that Alpha software pricing is meant for donation...and the pricing of the game will change as it reaches Beta then Final Release.
Yes, as per your comment...this size of game usually will worth about $5 at most, but that is for Final Releases. Who knows, the pricing point might drop down to that then...as pricing are a whole new department that Tynan don't have time to look at.
Unfortunately, there is nothing that can be done besides leaving your opinion here for record purpose. So when it's time for Tynan to do all the marketing and product delivery, he got information to refer to.
It's sad to see buyer's remorse already, given it is only an Alpha pricing, which is a donation support pricing.
Don't think I gave you a direct answer, but hopefully this makes sense to you.
the problem here is the value of the rube to everything else.
you got Putin to blame for that.
the exchange rate is horrible for Russians buying anything outside of Russia that isn't regional priced.
Just be glad you can pay 8 dollars for city skyline.
I have to pay around 40 cause I am in Canada
be glad steam devs sells game to you for nothing lol.
QuoteAre you serious, I'm as a consumer don't care if he does it himself alone and works 25 hours a day, or a group of 100+ people do the game. All that you want to see is the final game work flawless and that drags you in. Or not? Maybe you want to pay 30 bucks and just wait and wait and wait. And then just say that he is working alone and all that stuff. Maybe you bought this game for that? Just tell me do you think that the difficulty of making Rimworld is in any comparison to Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six® Siege?
I buy alpha games for the joy they bring, and the fact of knowing that they will not be finished any time soon, and for the fact that the developers are a credit to the gaming world. I would rather see Tynan doing a good job for a high price, rather than a crap job for little income. Wouldn't you?
Like Coenmcj and pktongrimworld mention, the real factor here is Steam's region-controlled pricing. In the US, Cities:Skylines costs $30 instead of the ~$8.00 it would cost in Russia. That's a huuge discount. RimWorld isn't region controlled, so everyone pays the same price.
Eastern Europe is designated "EU 2 zone" by Steam, which is generally the cheapest game market. So while RimWorld may be comparatively expensive to EU 2 Zone residents, it's actually on par with most other markets. Funny enough, if you wait for RimWorld to get listed on Steam a few months from now, region pricing could be applied and OP could see the region price he's used to.
Meanwhile, the benchmark Skylines is actually cheaper in the US at $30 compared to Canada where it's $32.50 and Australia where it's $35.
I happen to agree with you. $30 is too much. However, at the same time, I tend to really enjoy the game.
I've enjoyed playing it more than some games I've bought regardless of price (some more, some less). If the game were finished, oddly, I probably wouldn't buy it for $30 and that is the weird part. It seems that seeing the development of the game and being able to leave the game for a couple months and come back to try out the new features by dumping another 20 hours into the game makes it "worth" the 'high' purchase price. It isn't for every body I suppose. I tend to immerse myself in a game then leave it for a while then come back to it and get immersed again. I also play Cities Skylines...same thing for that game.
Cheers!
Being a russian too, I can say that the real issue here, as stated above, is a lack of regional pricing. In some places of the world there is not as much money as in other places, thus to get any customers at all a price of a product should be lower, and indeed in Russia games used to cost less.
But that's not the only reason Tynan will not get much buyers from Russia with the current price - we have just experienced a massive currency fall. One year ago, you could have bought RW for ~1200 rub, which is already a kinda high price for a game here, considering the fact that most games cost below 1000, but right now RW is ~2300 rub which IMO is insane to even think of for a majority of russian gamers.
So yeah, implementing regional pricing would certainly boost RW sales. Maybe if Tynan runs low on funds he should consider focusing his efforts on implementing Steam distribution, as regional pricing is already implemented in Steam.
In case you were wondering, Valve also region-locks your gift purchases so that you can't send them to someone in another country in exchange for something else.
Quote from: Oga88 on September 27, 2015, 06:58:17 AM
I did, I bought this game when it was alpha 4. And you know what? Not that much changed for a year. Nothing special.
Wait, what? The thing I have been consistently impressed with Rimworld is that every update has added something interesting and mechanically unique to the game.
But anyway, this thread is fairly redundant because if you feel like you wasted your money, there is nothing anyone can do change your mind. Here is a tip for you though; don't purchase games in development and/or in early access.
Quote from: Oga88 on September 27, 2015, 05:31:36 AM
And after I played the game with mods I never played it again with out them. And that is credit to the modding community and not Ludeon.
Oga, Tynan has put in a lot work to make sure this game is easily modable. So credit goes to the modding community AND Ludeon.
Quote from: Oga88 on September 27, 2015, 07:12:49 AM
Quote from: akiceabear on September 27, 2015, 07:05:25 AM
How many hours have you played since A4?
500+
So, clearly your complaint isn't because you don't enjoy the game. It's obviously been good value for money from a hours/dollar perspective.
What are you expectations when you spent $30 on A4? Where has it failed to live up to your expectations? Why did you play 500+ hours if you were disappointed?
I have to say, your comparisons with AAA titles make it seem like you deluded yourself about what this game would ultimately include with regards to graphics and content. Prison Architect or Dwarf Fortress would have been better (and obvious) comparisons for the general development direction.
30 isn't that high of a price; in fact I find rather rare to find good games below 40 now-a-days. I typically avoid paying 60 espically if its from certain companies that have lost my trust.
However, whomever pointed out that 30 will keep away CoD 'kids', I would like to remind them that they are making a baseless - and very false - assumption, as there are many here whom I know of that also play CoD and they are in their forties and fifties or even early thirties (such as me) so no this won't discourage us 'kids' from buying Rimworld. Also, insulting a segment of the gamer base demonstrates that you lack the ability to properly argue your point without resorting to baseless insults.
Kalshion, I think what they mean by 'CoD kids' aren't necessarily kids in the sense that they are young of age. It's that they're kids in the sense that they can't even grammar properly. And you have to admit, those types don't have an age restriction, and (it may be slightly biased) are found playing games such as CoD.
Quote from: StorymasterQ on September 28, 2015, 08:46:52 PM
Kalshion, I think what they mean by 'CoD kids' aren't necessarily kids in the sense that they are young of age. It's that they're kids in the sense that they can't even grammar properly. And you have to admit, those types don't have an age restriction, and (it may be slightly biased) are found playing games such as CoD.
Ahhh, if that is the case, then I do in fact agree with what the man said. Its actually one of the reasons I do not play MP in those games anymore - got tired of having to look up a dictionary on the net just to figure out what some people are trying to say!
Better than a subscription payment. Like MMO's
I've had more fun with Rimworld than I did with Minecraft or Halo.
Quote from: Kalshion on September 28, 2015, 11:08:03 PM
Quote from: StorymasterQ on September 28, 2015, 08:46:52 PM
Kalshion, I think what they mean by 'CoD kids' aren't necessarily kids in the sense that they are young of age. It's that they're kids in the sense that they can't even grammar properly. And you have to admit, those types don't have an age restriction, and (it may be slightly biased) are found playing games such as CoD.
Ahhh, if that is the case, then I do in fact agree with what the man said. Its actually one of the reasons I do not play MP in those games anymore - got tired of having to look up a dictionary on the net just to figure out what some people are trying to say!
Yea, sorry for not being clear. It was a generalization that almost missed the point. Thanks for clearing that up.
I got more joy out of my $30 Rimworld purchase than I did from my $60 Simcity 2013 purchase. Even now I've bought the Cities Skylines After Dark DLC/Expansion but I've actually been playing Rimworld instead of After Dark the past week.
Knowing what I know now I would have gladly paid double.
I've spent 100's of hours playing this game, it's worth every penny :)
The price is okay, but I can see where you are coming from. As the economies in other countries vary,
Quote from: Kalshion on September 28, 2015, 03:29:59 PM
30 isn't that high of a price; in fact I find rather rare to find good games below 40 now-a-days. I typically avoid paying 60 espically if its from certain companies that have lost my trust.
However, whomever pointed out that 30 will keep away CoD 'kids', I would like to remind them that they are making a baseless - and very false - assumption, as there are many here whom I know of that also play CoD and they are in their forties and fifties or even early thirties (such as me) so no this won't discourage us 'kids' from buying Rimworld. Also, insulting a segment of the gamer base demonstrates that you lack the ability to properly argue your point without resorting to baseless insults.
He stated earlier in the thread it was because of mods and not the base game. This thread is pretty repetitive with every post not agreeing saying it's because of regional pricing lol. Do people not read through threads before replying?
Quote from: Oga88 on September 27, 2015, 04:46:16 AM
Rimworld is too expensive, I bought it cause I can and willing to but 30$ that is too much. I'm from Russia and the game costs 30$ that's 1950 RUB, and when I see a game like Cities Skyline cost 499 RUB that is 7,68$ I have to ask myself why is that? Clearly there is way more man hours in Cities. And on different forums I see a lot of people that just get a pirate copy, so isn't better to just adjust the price a bit so more people would be able to the a good game. And if Cities is a bad example for you, then look at games like Elite: Dangerous 2249 RUB, H1Z1 899 RUB, Rainbow Six Siege 1999 RUB. I love Rimworld but those games that I mentioned are in a different league (not saying that RW is bad, it's just other games are way way more detailed.) And I would love to know why is it so expensive? I don't thank that Rimworld will ever be a AAA game, but it is a good game right now. Just my thoughts.
P.S. sorry for grammar mistakes english is not my native language.
The game is to expensive for you? Don't buy ist. Look on Matrix Games or Battlefront.com where the games expensive too but I love good RTS simulations and good TBS games then I have the Money I spent this to this devs like Tynan and co. Why you are cry here? The Price is the price!
I am by your side this game is to expensive...
I was brought from the depths of my lurking to say that is one hell of a Necro.
If you think ANYTHING is too expensive...
...Don't buy it.
Problem solved! That's how capitalism (small "c") works. Why are your feelings so involved in that metric?
Quote from: Coenmcj on June 26, 2019, 02:10:34 PM
I was brought from the depths of my lurking to say that is one hell of a Necro.
Agreed, this is crazy necro. I'm guessing Sebateod is some sort of bot. I've seen this sort of thing before -- a new user, only one post, responding to a post several years old... although admittedly I've never seen a response to a post almost four years old.
The only thing I can't figure out is what the bot is achieving. I don't see any malware links in the post...
Anyway, can we get a mod to lock or nuke this thread?
technically it's a relevant post.
The forum rules encourage you to search for existing threads covering the topic you want to post about rather than make new threads - so necro-ing a super old thread about a topic, then posting in tacit support of that topic....is exactly following forum guidelines.
It's more likely a frustrated kid who saw the game on youtube or talked up by a friend and looked into buying it, thinking it was a 2, 5, or $10 game, then gets upset when a quality game actually asks for a fair price.
I disagree completely with the sentiment that the game is too expensive, but the poster has every right and reason to post in a thread with relevant subject matter. The thread will remain relevant to those people who are frustrated by the price, and those who continue to want to defend the price point have a whole plethora of pages to refer back to and quote, and those who don't can let the complainers whine in their echo chamber.
I agree with Limdood,
even on an old thread it is still relevant i think.
And don't forget for a new user any topic is "new" :-)
But i can understood the poster too. If you don't know the game and just see the screenshots i just would think twice before i would buy the game.
But all (or most) buyer know about the potenzial of this game and how much more enjoyable playtime you got compared to highprized AAA titles.
Was this post sleeping until someone woke it up and used the dark arts of necroposting?
I wonder who's that muffalo who did it, eh? :P
Quote from: Canute on June 28, 2019, 02:32:03 AM
I agree with Limdood,
even on an old thread it is still relevant i think.
And don't forget for a new user any topic is "new" :-)
But i can understood the poster too. If you don't know the game and just see the screenshots i just would think twice before i would buy the game.
But all (or most) buyer know about the potenzial of this game and how much more enjoyable playtime you got compared to highprized AAA titles.
Most buyers *should* know, yes. Been on the Steam forums lately ::)..?