Ludeon Forums

Hi mates for today the topic of overhaol modpack is disappeared, someone know something?

Thanks

Speculatiom right now is ninefingers killed it due to not wanting to put donation links for modders on his website as per:
https://www.reddit.com/r/RimWorld/comments/3mxt5z/ultimate_overhaul_modpack_gone/

But who knows. Hes even removed the github which flies in the face of the whole "for the community" thing he had going. Again all speculation currently.

I actually registered to ask the same question. After a quick search I found a reddit thread (https://www.reddit.com/r/RimWorld/comments/3mxt5z/ultimate_overhaul_modpack_gone/), which linked to the changelog (which is marked for deletion): https://docs.google.com/document/d/16TBzSY1ckkisnMI06Xb98Ndv8hya6HSk_mmw3xEn8uU/

QuotePersonal Message from ItchyFlea after telling him I would be making a separate page on my website for individual mod author support when I get a chance. I am afraid I want nothing further to do with Itchy at this point or anyone else with this attitude.

"It's been two weeks and no sign of the donation buttons being added to the website. Please remove my mods from your modpack until you add the donation buttons to the website."

The changelog also shows that he did indeed update the version and removed Itchys mods, but with the site, thread and Git down I don't know where to find them.

Edit: I see this a bit differently than scullywag. It looks like ninefinger wanted to put up the donation page for individual mod authors. It just didn't go fast enough for Itchy. Ninefinger then removed Itchys mods at his request. What happened afterwards we don't know :s

Quote from: NightlinerSGS on September 30, 2015, 04:03:08 AM
Edit: I see this a bit differently than scullywag. It looks like ninefinger wanted to put up the donation page for individual mod authors. It just didn't go fast enough for Itchy. Ninefinger then removed Itchys mods at his request. What happened afterwards we don't know :s

Apparently Itchy asked him two weeks ago and Nine didn't put up the separate page he promised. I'd say its only fair if Itchy asked for his mods to be pulled at that point. Also after talking to Itchy it seems he was as surprised to see the thread gone as everyone else, so it looks like Nine decided to delete it on his own.

This is why you just don't involve monetary gain of any sort in modding. It makes things so messy so very quickly.

Quote from: Goo Poni on September 30, 2015, 04:26:46 AM
This is why you just don't involve money in anything important. It makes things so messy so very quickly.

FTFY

which is what the whole modding community on slack told him...

Quote from: NoImageAvailable on September 30, 2015, 04:20:33 AM

Apparently Itchy asked him two weeks ago and Nine didn't put up the separate page he promised. I'd say its only fair if Itchy asked for his mods to be pulled at that point. Also after talking to Itchy it seems he was as surprised to see the thread gone as everyone else, so it looks like Nine decided to delete it on his own.

Ok, I don't know anything that's going on besides what he wrote in the changelog, which suggests that Nine was the one who had the idea. If you know more and can talk with Itchy directly, that's good. Maybe we can find out what happened, and maybe somebody will be able to keep the modpack alive.

I just think it's sad because I literally discovered Rimworld 4 days ago, and the modpack yesterday. I'm having a lot of fun with it and it's sad that it seems to be gone right after I started playing with it. Guess I'll stick to this version for a while...

Then again, I've seen the same thing happening to thousands of mods in the last ~14 years. It's always the same thing, once you involve money in modding, things collapse in 95% of all cases, unless it's a closed developer team or they have a really good plan.

I also discovered this modpack about dozen days ago and played this s**t out of it, just to find out about this... Really a shame, I really like your work Ninefingers, you may not be the one actually making the mods, but you did a damn well job of making them work together, balancing and overall maintaining the modpack. With the extremly frequent updates and all the community feedback I can only imagine the amount of time that went into this, and completly stopping support/updates would be completly understandable. If you get no personal enjoyment out of this any more, I would be the first to recommend taking a break.

But why did you have to completly remove it? Simply leaving everything as is now (which is quite a good condition) and handing the responsibility for the GitHub, website, etc. over to someone else in the community was not enough?

I don't know what really happend to take you this far, but at the moment it seems like a massive overreaction. Please, at least let your fans know why it wasn't possible to leave the modpack alive. :(

crap, i forgot to download the latest builds and the last one i grabbed is from the 20th anyone can upload the latest one and post the link?

yeye i dont give a flying turd if modders are upset me using it. its a easy way for me to enjoy modded rimworld without much hassle.

It was a great assets for this game. i hope i will re-enable his work without money involved.

This is what we can hope for.

The modders wouldnt be upset in you using a modpack, why would we, the issue is ninefingers has removed it we havent done anything.

Bah, can anyone tell me where I can find a recent version? I only have a really old one locally. :(

ok due to the fact that I know how github works and i knew id seen a fork made, the modpack is still available in quite an up to date form:

https://github.com/ilyail3/Ultimate-Overhaul-Modpack

All Nine got was crap from people for doing the mod pack, all that work he did people complaining and moaned about everything.
The work required to balance what 60+ mods so they work together with some semblance of balance and with an overarching theme and curve was insane yet so many vocal people here poo poo's it because they are "creators" and all Nine did was "throw" the mods together.

Especially from a few select people here.
Now a few second class efforts are all that remain and they will be dancing about it being some of the most active haters.

No, we asked NF to do a couple of very small itty bitty things and he refused. Itchyflea even went as far as to say its fine to keep his own donate button but could he get one as well. Instead of complying he deleted the modpack after removing Itchys mods. No one else bar ninefingers is at fault here. We have been very civil and very adult about this.

I'm now maintaining it:
https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=16368.new#new

Quote from: Mrshilka on September 30, 2015, 09:57:11 AM
All Nine got was crap from people for doing the mod pack, all that work he did people complaining and moaned about everything.
The work required to balance what 60+ mods so they work together with some semblance of balance and with an overarching theme and curve was insane yet so many vocal people here poo poo's it because they are "creators" and all Nine did was "throw" the mods together.

Especially from a few select people here.
Now a few second class efforts are all that remain and they will be dancing about it being some of the most active haters.

I bent over backwards to keep Nine happy when it got to the great game of giving credit and doing the right thing. I kept him from abandoning the forum the first time because people were pissed that he wasn't doing an adequate job of giving credit and it actually lead to a whole new rule requiring such because of his attitude. I hope he decides after a night of sleep to stay but his decisions are his own and as such it's out of my hands.

Also let the record show that the Mod team will not support any open harassment of modders or Itchy for defending his rights as a modder. Any harassment will be met with swift and stern responses from the Moderation staff including but not limited to day or week bans depending on severity.

This kinda thing happens quite often I take it?

I saw no problem with Itchy's stance, put up donation links or remove his mods... Itchy even offered to help with the coding to do it, but Nine refused his help.

So now nine has taken his mod pack away from everyone. Very childish reaction.

Oh well, another one bites the dust. It was getting bloated, and having major lag issues any way.

Quote from: ORC_Gaming on September 30, 2015, 10:52:24 AM
This kinda thing happens quite often I take it?

Generally no, I've been watching the forums since A9 and I've never seen this sort of thing billow to the surface. But Nine has been going about this for the past, what, couple months in a rather immature fashion. First skyark comes in with poor english fresh from the likes of european WoT, or DotA or LoL, accusing Nine of texture theft. Nine's response was to trot off and make their own twobit free site to host the modpack. That required the intervention of Tynan before it was resolved and it resulted in a new rule being installed in the mod forums to try and keep it from happening again. Then there was the debacle with Combat Realism. And apparently now there was Itchy making the request that donation buttons be added for their mods or otherwise remove the mods. Ninefinger removed the mods and then the whole thread, the github host and his site. I mean, really? It's all quite pathetic and childish, but I'm sure someone else will come along and fill the void by taking Superior Crafting and iterating on it again. If not, there is still skyark's pack. Abrexxus also supposedly has a Superior Crafting 2.0 in the works so people can leech off that when it comes around.

Well if you don't follow the rules you have to be held responsible and I appreciate what Ninefingers did for the community but these creators, I am going to say creators instead of modders because they are too big to be mods anymore, are very talented and highly likely to get flak for this which they don't deserve. They asked to be properly credited and in response got people slagging them off for asking to be promoted. I still want to hear ninefingers reason though. And I think we shouldn't point the blame at anyone yet. Or ever.

And Skullywag, that's twice now. Thank you.

Well If a language isn't someone's strong suit I see no reason to hold it against them.

Sad to see it gone, though I'm happy that I pulled an allround update for a new colony yesterday just before going to bed. Coming back from work and seeing it all gone was a bit of a bummer :(

Quote from: ORC_Gaming on September 30, 2015, 10:52:24 AM
This kinda thing happens quite often I take it?

with mods and modpacks in general? yes ive seen this kind of drama so far in every game that had mods and then ppl making modpacks.

Quote from: Gralad on September 30, 2015, 12:30:05 PM

Quote from: ORC_Gaming on September 30, 2015, 10:52:24 AM
This kinda thing happens quite often I take it?

with mods and modpacks in general? yes ive seen this kind of drama so far in every game that had mods and then ppl making modpacks.

I don't notice this as much in other games but maybe since mods might not be as big a part of them as in here though might be why

Quote from: Goo Poni on September 30, 2015, 11:06:42 AM

Quote from: ORC_Gaming on September 30, 2015, 10:52:24 AM
This kinda thing happens quite often I take it?

Generally no, I've been watching the forums since A9 and I've never seen this sort of thing billow to the surface. But Nine has been going about this for the past, what, couple months in a rather immature fashion. First skyark comes in with poor english fresh from the likes of european WoT, or DotA or LoL, accusing Nine of texture theft. Nine's response was to trot off and make their own twobit free site to host the modpack. That required the intervention of Tynan before it was resolved and it resulted in a new rule being installed in the mod forums to try and keep it from happening again. Then there was the debacle with Combat Realism. And apparently now there was Itchy making the request that donation buttons be added for their mods or otherwise remove the mods. Ninefinger removed the mods and then the whole thread, the github host and his site. I mean, really? It's all quite pathetic and childish, but I'm sure someone else will come along and fill the void by taking Superior Crafting and iterating on it again. If not, there is still skyark's pack. Abrexxus also supposedly has a Superior Crafting 2.0 in the works so people can leech off that when it comes around.

Hey Goo hate to be that asshole but drop the critique on someone else's ability to speak perfect English. While the majority of our community is English speaking it's nobody's place to judge someone else just because they have problems using it. I for one know that Sky is Russian, meaning it's a secondary/third language and as such his words might be a dash jumbled. Same time, that doesn't mean you have any right stabbing at him :P

Quote from: Ramsis on September 30, 2015, 01:10:26 PM

Quote from: Goo Poni on September 30, 2015, 11:06:42 AM

Quote from: ORC_Gaming on September 30, 2015, 10:52:24 AM
This kinda thing happens quite often I take it?

Generally no, I've been watching the forums since A9 and I've never seen this sort of thing billow to the surface. But Nine has been going about this for the past, what, couple months in a rather immature fashion. First skyark comes in with poor english fresh from the likes of european WoT, or DotA or LoL, accusing Nine of texture theft. Nine's response was to trot off and make their own twobit free site to host the modpack. That required the intervention of Tynan before it was resolved and it resulted in a new rule being installed in the mod forums to try and keep it from happening again. Then there was the debacle with Combat Realism. And apparently now there was Itchy making the request that donation buttons be added for their mods or otherwise remove the mods. Ninefinger removed the mods and then the whole thread, the github host and his site. I mean, really? It's all quite pathetic and childish, but I'm sure someone else will come along and fill the void by taking Superior Crafting and iterating on it again. If not, there is still skyark's pack. Abrexxus also supposedly has a Superior Crafting 2.0 in the works so people can leech off that when it comes around.

Hey Goo hate to be that asshole but drop the critique on someone else's ability to speak perfect English. While the majority of our community is English speaking it's nobody's place to judge someone else just because they have problems using it. I for one know that Sky is Russian, meaning it's a secondary/third language and as such his words might be a dash jumbled. Same time, that doesn't mean you have any right stabbing at him :P

I know Sky is foreign, I kinda figured that by reading the hardcore sk thread a bit. But their ranting in the UOM thread and then the texture artist they hired or whatever coming in and using equally poor english just reminds me far too much of a couple years spent playing WoT with "noob unfar plane uninstal and play tetris noob gold spamr". It made their flaming that much worse when it didn't flow like good english. It doesn't come across as raising a complaint, it comes across as hastily written sperg, like much of the flaming of online gaming tends to be. Ain't nobody got time to write properly when they're dead, spectating and backseat gaming. Mneh. I've tired of the ongoing shitstorm that has been Ninefinger's UOM as of late. It's showing through. Will try to cull the offhand remarks.

What a terrible series of events. You guys did kind of give him more than enough warning though...

I want to play Rimworld, but honestly I'm kinda clueless on how to without this mod. Vanilla is just too lacking in content and depth after having experienced a modpack, to go back. There's the hardcore SK pack, but I had a number of deal breaker issues with it.

Which just leaves the last option of having dozens of stand-alone mods. But I can't really imagine this working well. They need to balanced towards one another, and coordinate with one another as far as progression goes, especially if they share common, modded resources. A modpack seems mandatory for a big modding scene to thrive, and if I'm wrong about that, then by all means let me know how you guys do it.

I'm afraid Nine was only paying attention to the negativity. From what I recall, there were compliments all around in that thread. It's not like it was totally unappreciated. As the saying goes, the squeaky wheel is the loudest :\

Quote from: Owlchemist on September 30, 2015, 07:42:23 PM
I want to play Rimworld, but honestly I'm kinda clueless on how to without this mod. Vanilla is just too lacking in content and depth after having experienced a modpack, to go back. There's the hardcore SK pack, but I had a number of deal breaker issues with it.

Which just leaves the last option of having dozens of stand-alone mods. But I can't really imagine this working well. They need to balanced towards one another, and coordinate with one another as far as progression goes, especially if they share common, modded resources. A modpack seems mandatory for a big modding scene to thrive, and if I'm wrong about that, then by all means let me know how you guys do it.

I'm afraid Nine was only paying attention to the negativity. From what I recall, there were compliments all around in that thread. It's not like it was totally unappreciated. As the saying goes, the squeaky wheel is the loudest :\

The problem with Ninefinger was a general lack of maturity in his interactions with other community members. Every time an issue came up his response lead to lots of drama. While I can certainly see the value his work provided to those people unable or unwilling to create their own mod selection he ultimately ended up causing more trouble than he's worth. Right now it looks like TheGentleman is taking over Nine's modpack so hopefully we can have the best of both worlds, a balanced modpack for people to play, maintained by someone who is able to solve interpersonal issues in a civil manner.

In case people were wondering what my involvement was, and haven't seen the reddit thread, here's what I had to say: https://www.reddit.com/r/RimWorld/comments/3mxt5z/ultimate_overhaul_modpack_gone/cvj7jbu

Quote from: skullywag on September 30, 2015, 09:34:48 AM
ok due to the fact that I know how github works and i knew id seen a fork made, the modpack is still available in quite an up to date form:

https://github.com/ilyail3/Ultimate-Overhaul-Modpack

Cheers mate! You don't happen to have a config file as well? I know I could try to turn the mods on manually, but I guess there's a big risk I cause issues if I don't get them enabled in the right order.

Quote from: NoImageAvailable on September 30, 2015, 07:52:05 PM
The problem with Ninefinger was a general lack of maturity in his interactions with other community members. Every time an issue came up his response lead to lots of drama. While I can certainly see the value his work provided to those people unable or unwilling to create their own mod selection he ultimately ended up causing more trouble than he's worth. Right now it looks like TheGentleman is taking over Nine's modpack so hopefully we can have the best of both worlds, a balanced modpack for people to play, maintained by someone who is able to solve interpersonal issues in a civil manner.

More trouble than he's worth?  I guess you can speak for yourself, but it's not like I was donating to anybody anyway; putting all these mods together manually is much more trouble than all this drama is worth.  Thanks guys, you really helped the community by creating these mods (with no expectation of payment right?  Just for love of the game right?) and then denying the best method to use them. 

Quote from: Natas_Enasni on October 01, 2015, 02:53:11 AM
More trouble than he's worth?  I guess you can speak for yourself, but it's not like I was donating to anybody anyway; putting all these mods together manually is much more trouble than all this drama is worth.  Thanks guys, you really helped the community by creating these mods (with no expectation of payment right?  Just for love of the game right?) and then denying the best method to use them.

They didn't tell him to remove the mod pack. they asked for one mod removed and then the entire thing vanished. you can't blame them.

Would like to get hands on the config files as well. Would be great if someone has them

Quote from: ORC_Gaming on October 01, 2015, 03:37:43 AM

Quote from: Natas_Enasni on October 01, 2015, 02:53:11 AM
More trouble than he's worth?  I guess you can speak for yourself, but it's not like I was donating to anybody anyway; putting all these mods together manually is much more trouble than all this drama is worth.  Thanks guys, you really helped the community by creating these mods (with no expectation of payment right?  Just for love of the game right?) and then denying the best method to use them.

They didn't tell him to remove the mod pack. they asked for one mod removed and then the entire thing vanished. you can't blame them.

Technically one of us asked if we could have a donation link as well to support the mods artist. He refused removed the mod then ragequit. So whos to blame again....

Quote from: skullywag on October 01, 2015, 03:40:24 AM

Quote from: ORC_Gaming on October 01, 2015, 03:37:43 AM

Quote from: Natas_Enasni on October 01, 2015, 02:53:11 AM
More trouble than he's worth?  I guess you can speak for yourself, but it's not like I was donating to anybody anyway; putting all these mods together manually is much more trouble than all this drama is worth.  Thanks guys, you really helped the community by creating these mods (with no expectation of payment right?  Just for love of the game right?) and then denying the best method to use them.

They didn't tell him to remove the mod pack. they asked for one mod removed and then the entire thing vanished. you can't blame them.

Technically one of us asked if we could have a donation link as well to support the mods artist. He refused removed the mod then ragequit. So whos to blame again....

Oops I missed out the donation thing. My bad, I thought I had added it. thanks for correcting me

No worries ORC. Just want people to have all the facts straight before they draw any conclusions about a very nice, awesome and helpful group of people....(too much? Lol)

I don't know how Ninefingers day looks like, but I'm sure it's not 75% modding or changing a website to add a button.

Sometimes the discussions were a bit rough, and who knows what kind of PMs were involved aswell.

"I expected that to take a day or two." <- What someone expects and how long it finally takes, well, it's two different things.

Both sides, Ninefingers and all the modders involved, have to take it as their responsibility. As if anyone would check for the correct donation button. How high is the chance? Will these 5 or 10 bucks make a difference? A site full with donation buttons has only one effect: Get me the hell out of here! Think as the user, not as the content creator and you will know what you really want. How about one button? And split it for everyone in even manners.


But well, it's too late anyways. Let's bury it and go on with other things.

Quote from: skullywag on October 01, 2015, 03:56:56 AM
No worries ORC. Just want people to have all the facts straight before they draw any conclusions about a very nice, awesome and helpful group of people....(too much? Lol)

Well Pretty accurate really.

Quote from: silenced on October 01, 2015, 04:57:12 AM
I don't know how Ninefingers day looks like, but I'm sure it's not 75% modding or changing a website to add a button.

Sometimes the discussions were a bit rough, and who knows what kind of PMs were involved aswell.

"I expected that to take a day or two." <- What someone expects and how long it finally takes, well, it's two different things.

Both sides, Ninefingers and all the modders involved, have to take it as their responsibility. As if anyone would check for the correct donation button. How high is the chance? Will these 5 or 10 bucks make a difference? A site full with donation buttons has only one effect: Get me the hell out of here! Think as the user, not as the content creator and you will know what you really want. How about one button? And split it for everyone in even manners.


But well, it's too late anyways. Let's bury it and go on with other things.

Good Idea, we should still remember it though. But the split for everyone part will get a bit too... what's the word? complicated...

Quote from: silenced on October 01, 2015, 04:57:12 AM
I don't know how Ninefingers day looks like, but I'm sure it's not 75% modding or changing a website to add a button.

Sometimes the discussions were a bit rough, and who knows what kind of PMs were involved aswell.

"I expected that to take a day or two." <- What someone expects and how long it finally takes, well, it's two different things.

Both sides, Ninefingers and all the modders involved, have to take it as their responsibility. As if anyone would check for the correct donation button. How high is the chance? Will these 5 or 10 bucks make a difference? A site full with donation buttons has only one effect: Get me the hell out of here! Think as the user, not as the content creator and you will know what you really want. How about one button? And split it for everyone in even manners.


But well, it's too late anyways. Let's bury it and go on with other things.

I agree with your points about expectations but the main thing to remember here is itchy has a license, that license was not followed, itchy gave him 2 weeks to sort it out, in that time the mod was still being distributed against that license. Itchy was well within his rights to ask for removal, which he could of done on day one. Why that caused NF to break can only be explained by NF.  He did remove the mods before deleting everything and you wouldnt bother to do that if you were just gonna delete it all anyway...

Know chain of events,

Bad will created by first fracus over donations.

Itchy asks for his donation link be put on the UOM page, and Nine agrees to go it when he can get to it...

2 weeks pass, no donation links added, so Itchy asks that either the donation links be added now, or his mods be removed from the pack...

Nine removes the mods,

Then makes public the Private messages,

Nine even stated he would rather update the mods than work on the web page, and states it will take some time for him to figure out how to add the links.

Itchy offers to hep Nine add the donation links..

Nine takes offense and rage quits.

Quote from: Owlchemist on September 30, 2015, 07:42:23 PM
I want to play Rimworld, but honestly I'm kinda clueless on how to without this mod. Vanilla is just too lacking in content and depth after having experienced a modpack, to go back. There's the hardcore SK pack, but I had a number of deal breaker issues with it.

Which just leaves the last option of having dozens of stand-alone mods. But I can't really imagine this working well. They need to balanced towards one another, and coordinate with one another as far as progression goes, especially if they share common, modded resources. A modpack seems mandatory for a big modding scene to thrive, and if I'm wrong about that, then by all means let me know how you guys do it.

I'm afraid Nine was only paying attention to the negativity. From what I recall, there were compliments all around in that thread. It's not like it was totally unappreciated. As the saying goes, the squeaky wheel is the loudest :\

God bless TheGent though, because he's planning to keep UOP going. He's going to spend an estimated two months getting permissions for what he can and working around mods he can't get permissions for. You can hold on to your outdated version until then.

Because Tynan's taking a sabbatical break, the time when TheGent releases a functional modpack would theoretically line up with the next updates to rimworld.

I believe the modpack has spoiled me a little as well. Personally I would rather root for mod-manager[software] giving me individual control over the mods I want installed, than being forced to put up with an unmanageable modpack file.

In the good old days of Rimworld :D we had to download and configure each mod individually. Which in my opinion may not be such a bad thing to begin with. As great as Ninefingers modpack was, it took away to some degree what mods I wanted in my game and not, and did have some balancing and configuration issues that were slow to be addressed. Not to mention that some of the mods were sliced and diced from the original, which always bothered somewhat.

The project you currently know as The Ultimate Overhaul Modpack is now private so that I can continue to work on it unhindered.

It has gotten to the point for me that I do not want to check my own thread or PM's for what comments that might be waiting, and fear of what content might be at risk next.

Only myself and my sponsors will have access to my project and its updates until RimWorld and my project has reached final release. I will be rebuilding the project from the ground up. Once the Modpack is a final release along with RimWorld someone will release it to the public.

I am going to lay it on you strait, too many people do not understand that issues come from people that have an issue and create an issue otherwise there would be no issue, either with me or the modpack, you probably already know how I feel about such people. To put it lightly any modder that does not wish to have their content included in the pack and wants to whine and snivel like a baby will be regarded as such and as someone who does not have the goodwill to allow the community to enjoy their content the way everyone wants it to be enjoyed.

You will be forced into submission of goodwill and you will consider yourselves to be privileged to have your content included in such a masterpiece!

The only response to this that you are allowed is Sir, Yes Sir!

Do I make myself clear?

It is a rhetorical question to which the only answer is Yes Sir!

I do not care for negative responses and they will be ignored as your opinion does not matter to me if you do not share my vision.

The public will have what they want I promise you that.

Anyone that wants to continue a public release of their own iteration of the Modpack is more than welcome to do so.

I wish you luck!

To the much deserving community of good people I love you and I am truly sorry that I can no longer publicly provide you with what should have been an unhindered project.

My decision has been made, I have my reasons and I have spoken and you will respect that and that is final!

Sincerely, Ninefinger

User was warned for this post: Rules 1 and 2.

Quote from: Ninefinger on October 01, 2015, 09:19:34 PM
You will be forced into submission of goodwill and you will consider yourselves to be privileged to have your content included in such a masterpiece!

The only response to this that you are allowed is Sir, Yes Sir!

Do I make myself clear?

(http://www.knifeup.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/army-jokes.jpg)

So now nine is going into hiding, and plagiarizer all the content he has currently, then release it as his own...

Quote from: NuclearStudent on October 01, 2015, 06:19:28 PM

Quote from: Owlchemist on September 30, 2015, 07:42:23 PM
I want to play Rimworld, but honestly I'm kinda clueless on how to without this mod. Vanilla is just too lacking in content and depth after having experienced a modpack, to go back. There's the hardcore SK pack, but I had a number of deal breaker issues with it.

Which just leaves the last option of having dozens of stand-alone mods. But I can't really imagine this working well. They need to balanced towards one another, and coordinate with one another as far as progression goes, especially if they share common, modded resources. A modpack seems mandatory for a big modding scene to thrive, and if I'm wrong about that, then by all means let me know how you guys do it.

I'm afraid Nine was only paying attention to the negativity. From what I recall, there were compliments all around in that thread. It's not like it was totally unappreciated. As the saying goes, the squeaky wheel is the loudest :\

God bless TheGent though, because he's planning to keep UOP going. He's going to spend an estimated two months getting permissions for what he can and working around mods he can't get permissions for. You can hold on to your outdated version until then.

Because Tynan's taking a sabbatical break, the time when TheGent releases a functional modpack would theoretically line up with the next updates to rimworld.

I actually got a really good amount of permissions already, I'M suprized about how quick it was, I don't have all of them, but just enough.
With that, the ETA is still roughthly 1 to 2 months. I've got 16 mods running now (17 if ya include CCL), but I plan to finish 'Reasearch Tree' (Mah new mod) before I release. I plan for it to make the research, not a tree but instead a web so that you can get X by going from Y or Q -> Z.
Something like in the latest Civ game (Named something like byond the horizon or simular.)

Edit: The reason I'm not using SC is because basically every modpack since its release has done dat, I want something new and fresh... and sadly SC2 hasn't came out.

Quote from: Ninefinger- snip -

Since you are standing on the shoulders of those who actually created the content, you are the one who needs to be more humble.  Without everybody else's hard work you would have nothing.

Since you are taking such an offensive tone, I hereby revoke all rights, privileges and permission to allow my work to be included in your modpack.  You are hereby required to remove anything which has my name attached to it from your modpack including but not limited to E's Small Mods and any code sections which I wrote as part of the Community Core Library.

Thank-you and good-day.

Quote from: Ninefinger on October 01, 2015, 09:19:34 PM
The only response to this that you are allowed is Sir, Yes Sir!

Quote from: Ninefinger on October 01, 2015, 09:19:34 PM
It is a rhetorical question to which the only answer is Yes Sir!

YOU FORGOT THE SIR, SIR, YES SIR

I dare say Nine this is going to open a can of worms you really don't want.

Let's look at what's happened since you started the modpack before you go calling out anyone else or, well decide to refer to us all as "faggots" again.

1. You started the modpack and all was good.
2. People wanted you to put a link to their mod and credit them, you fought me, rage-removed your modpack, then I talked you into doing it.
3. All was good, things got done, you gave credit like any sane person, yay.
4. You and Sky get into a slap fight on the board, I boot him and eventually he stops after a ban or two.
5. Itchy requests you slide a donation link on his behalf on your site or whatever out of goodwill because you use his content, you decide to hold out for two weeks and he then requests you remove his pack, which is in his rights.
6. You freak out once again.

This, this is how you've acted so far. A man your age and you act like a spoiled brat because people want their dues for you using their work. Trust me brother I understand you want your cut of the pie, we know it's not easy getting 50+ mods to play nice with each other but at the same time your sweat and tears are going on top of others sweat and tears and as such it's not that odd for them to push to some sort of minimum.

If I recall you're Canadian, which means you know just how pissy your country can get over copyright; personal advice would be for you to pay attention and watch who tells you to take their content down because if you think your modpack won't be leaked, you'd be quite wrong.

Request for you, come into the Modding Slack and talk to us. It's the least you can do.

Quote from: Ninefinger on October 01, 2015, 09:19:34 PM

NINE, people on slack wanna discuss a peaceful solution, or atleast most of us do, plz come.

Quoterant from NF

This is called painting yourself into a corner...

Quote from: Ninefinger on October 01, 2015, 09:19:34 PM
The project you currently know as The Ultimate Overhaul Modpack is now private so that I can continue to work on it unhindered.

It has gotten to the point for me that I do not want to check my own thread or PM's for what comments that might be waiting, and fear of what content might be at risk next.

Only myself and my sponsors will have access to my project and its updates until RimWorld and my project has reached final release. I will be rebuilding the project from the ground up. Once the Modpack is a final release along with RimWorld someone will release it to the public.

I am going to lay it on you strait, too many people do not understand that issues come from people that have an issue and create an issue otherwise there would be no issue, either with me or the modpack, you probably already know how I feel about such people. To put it lightly any modder that does not wish to have their content included in the pack and wants to whine and snivel like a baby will be regarded as such and as someone who does not have the goodwill to allow the community to enjoy their content the way everyone wants it to be enjoyed.

You will be forced into submission of goodwill and you will consider yourselves to be privileged to have your content included in such a masterpiece!

The only response to this that you are allowed is Sir, Yes Sir!

Do I make myself clear?

It is a rhetorical question to which the only answer is Yes Sir!

I do not care for negative responses and they will be ignored as your opinion does not matter to me if you do not share my vision.

The public will have what they want I promise you that.

Anyone that wants to continue a public release of their own iteration of the Modpack is more than welcome to do so.

I wish you luck!

To the much deserving community of good people I love you and I am truly sorry that I can no longer publicly provide you with what should have been an unhindered project.

My decision has been made, I have my reasons and I have spoken and you will respect that and that is final!

Sincerely, Ninefinger

For posterity, I am saving this in case it is necessary.

Quote from: TheGentlmen (GENT) on October 01, 2015, 10:55:01 PM
NINE, people on slack wanna discuss a peaceful solution, or atleast most of us do, plz come.

Why? At this point we had Ramsis talk to him via PM when the thing with sky was happening, we had modders talking to him on slack when the CR stuff was happening, we had Itchy talk to him during this most recent crisis and all its ever got anyone was Ninefinger coming back with insults and more of his "fuck you all" attitude, telling everyone how he doesn't give a shit about anyone or anything but himself and his personal ego-trip.

At this point I'd say ban him from the forums, ban linking to his download mirrors and let him peddle his bootlegged modpack to the 5 or so people who would actually still download it once it vanishes from all the major discussion boards and hosters. Let him rule his little pile of dirt while the rest of the forums gets on with their lives because it is not worth all this effort just to keep such a toxic member in the community.

Quote from: Ninefinger on October 01, 2015, 09:19:34 PM
The project you currently know as The Ultimate Overhaul Modpack is now private so that I can continue to work on it unhindered.

-SNIP : Blablabla I'm redistributing the pack only for people who pay me-

Sincerely, Ninefinger

User was warned for this post: Rules 1 and 2.

Quote from: License agreement================== License clarification ===================
============================================================

In purchasing RimWorld, you purchase a perpetual license to install and use the software on up to five devices you own.

You may not share game files or download links thereof. You may not install the software on someone else's machine.

By modding the game you agree to these restrictions:
   -You're welcome to make whatever mod you like and distribute it as broadly as possible.
   -You may only distribute RimWorld mods non-commercially (for free) without discriminating who takes them.
   -You may accept donations, but they may not be tied to the delivery of a specific product or service.

This is not a complete description of the license. By writing this partial license agreement here, Ludeon Studios does not give up any other rights, express or implied. These notes are simply for clarification.

Alright okay okay alright I see yea okay yea alright.

Quote from: Ninefinger on October 01, 2015, 09:19:34 PM
Angry rant.

Since you will be publishing my materials contingent on donation, which is explicitly forbidden by my license, and as Alistair pointed out, the RimWorld license, the permissions for all my mods are hereby null and void.

Please remove any and all of my content from all of your releases.

Oh the Audacity...

Throwing more temper tantrums is just self destructive behaviour Nine, and the complete disregard for Intellectual property and the rules that surround them?
Now that, is just a good way to distance yourself from the "much deserving community of good people" that you so cherish.

I originally hoped you would return and treat this whole situation like an adult, but now it seems like this is all for nought.
A shame indeed.

Quote from: Ramsis on October 01, 2015, 10:51:59 PM
If I recall you're Canadian, which means you know just how pissy your country can get over copyright; personal advice would be for you to pay attention and watch who tells you to take their content down because if you think your modpack won't be leaked, you'd be quite wrong.

Not trying to condone that Nine is planning to release the modpack against the wishes of the mod authors somewhere else. I think it's really crappy. Were a modding community after all.

But unfortunately there isn't much anyone can legally do to stop him if he does, unless someone can prove he is benefiting financially from it's distribution. Remember, a license only ever gives the recipient of the creative work additional rights, it never takes away rights. Every single 'license' that makes a demand of players is against the EULA -- unless I missed something / or it gets amended.

Quote from: Asero on October 02, 2015, 06:08:00 AM
Remember, a license only ever gives the recipient of the creative work additional rights, it never takes away rights. Every single 'license' that makes a demand of players is against the EULA -- unless I missed something / or it gets amended.

The way I understand it, you're partially right in that the license only gives rights. However, the default state of any original content is full copyright, so a license stipulates conditions under which you're allowed to 'breach' copyright. If the license doesn't apply, copyright does, and distribution of copyrighted material is illegal in pretty much every jurisdiction I know of.

Content creators do not have to claim copyright or do anything special, they automatically have it as part of their creation. In fact, it's quite difficult to truly disavow all rights and put content in the public domain.

BTW, you mention the EULA, which is the end user license agreement. Do you mean the RimWorld one? If so, where is it? Beyond the notes in the readme, I've been unable to locate a full rimworld EULA.

Quote from: Fluffy (l2032) on October 02, 2015, 09:14:29 AM
BTW, you mention the EULA, which is the end user license agreement. Do you mean the RimWorld one? If so, where is it? Beyond the notes in the readme, I've been unable to locate a full rimworld EULA.

It's not a full EULA (it actually emphasises that), but you can find a "license clarification" in the readme.txt in the main game folder.

Naa, it's just bs, at this point: what is modding code ppty licensed to?
Does it properly fence anyone against anything? Falsely, yes, if you truly believe it does, then that's your problem...

Still, individuals willing to mod pack are numerous (I do, sometimes), but where would "dedicated job mind state", "knowledge doing mods" and "release for community experience" abilities be constrained?

That's why I don't f..g understand why mod packing, as it currently is here, should still be allowed now....

IMHO, Any official mod packer should possibly be part of some moderators-like forum role:

Directed towards community, sure! But...

Able to tackle new content creation.
Basically be respected/well-positioned for asking/contributing/creating/not requesting!/not just sucking others mods ideas, progress and so on.
To the possible extent your might now be foreseeing with me: no "realized by" named on anything but all original sources and occasional packing contributions efforts quoted.

I'd bet that would change scaling of things quite a bit, but well...

Quote from: Ninefinger on October 01, 2015, 09:19:34 PM
To put it lightly any modder that does not wish to have their content included in the pack and wants to whine and snivel like a baby will be regarded as such and as someone who does not have the goodwill to allow the community to enjoy their content the way everyone wants it to be enjoyed.


You will be forced into submission of goodwill and you will consider yourselves to be privileged to have your content included in such a masterpiece!

The only response to this that you are allowed is Sir, Yes Sir!

Do I make myself clear?

It is a rhetorical question to which the only answer is Yes Sir!

I do not care for negative responses and they will be ignored as your opinion does not matter to me if you do not share my vision.

The public will have what they want I promise you that.
User was warned for this post: Rules 1 and 2.

Perhaps this is where you reveal your true colors and arrogance. Perhaps if you had a humbler heart, the modders would not get offended and there would be no need for this drama?

Pardon the intrusion, I've been enjoying RimWorld for several years now, think Tynan is kinda hot, discovered this rather enjoyable mod-pack about a month ago but its only this thread with the bitchiness, the back-biting and the whining that has convinced me to register!

I've a bit of experience with the drama that internet communities tend to attract, frankly if I might make a suggestion to all parties involved, it would be maybe to leave this issue for a few days, wait for everyone to calm down and then come back and look at things logically. From my brief experience with Rimworld modding this collaborative effort seems like one of the best ways of bringing quite a diverse set of talent to the game, it would be a shame if it was all lost in a few hours madness. So really if I could encourage everyone to do a single thing, it would be just to step back for a little while and let tempers ease off.

Hell of a first post btw...

Quote from: Praetorian on October 02, 2015, 06:33:04 PM
Pardon the intrusion, I've been enjoying RimWorld for several years now, think Tynan is kinda hot, discovered this rather enjoyable mod-pack about a month ago but its only this thread with the bitchiness, the back-biting and the whining that has convinced me to register!

I've a bit of experience with the drama that internet communities tend to attract, frankly if I might make a suggestion to all parties involved, it would be maybe to leave this issue for a few days, wait for everyone to calm down and then come back and look at things logically. From my brief experience with Rimworld modding this collaborative effort seems like one of the best ways of bringing quite a diverse set of talent to the game, it would be a shame if it was all lost in a few hours madness. So really if I could encourage everyone to do a single thing, it would be just to step back for a little while and let tempers ease off.

Hell of a first post btw...

Why does this forum not have a +/- system for grading posts? Because this post would immediately get a + from me personally. It can be said of pretty much every arguement in history short of love and war: Time leads to cooler heads and cooler heads lead to more reasoned discourse which leads to solutions as opposed to constant bickering (and admittedly highly entertaining reading)

Quote from: Praetorian on October 02, 2015, 06:33:04 PM
Pardon the intrusion, I've been enjoying RimWorld for several years now, think Tynan is kinda hot, discovered this rather enjoyable mod-pack about a month ago but its only this thread with the bitchiness, the back-biting and the whining that has convinced me to register!

I've a bit of experience with the drama that internet communities tend to attract, frankly if I might make a suggestion to all parties involved, it would be maybe to leave this issue for a few days, wait for everyone to calm down and then come back and look at things logically. From my brief experience with Rimworld modding this collaborative effort seems like one of the best ways of bringing quite a diverse set of talent to the game, it would be a shame if it was all lost in a few hours madness. So really if I could encourage everyone to do a single thing, it would be just to step back for a little while and let tempers ease off.

Hell of a first post btw...

I just hope that he fixes the insues and returns to his modpacking...

TheGentPack is hard...  :)

EDIT: HARD TO MAKE, currently its easier than vanilla rimworld...

Ninefingers has been banned.

"Breaking rules 1 and 2, personal attack of Ludeon Sub-Staff, harassment of others, threatening to monetize content made by others."

His ban reason is posted above; this is one of the few reasons I'll ever make a perm-ban known. His attitude was atrocious, his actions problematic, and the list goes on. I wanted to be peaceful with him, I did, but he showed no remorse and I'm not having it.

Thread locked due to shenanigans.