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Description:
This mod will add a complete wood economy to the game, with trees to cut down, and wood structures that can be built.

Features:

   
• Trees
• Wood Table
• Wood Chair
• Wood Panel Walls
• Wood Picket Fences
• Defensive Log Walls
• Wooden Doors
• Bench Saw
• Wood Floors
• Wood Mulch - Improves soil fertility by 25%
• Saplings - Make a tree farm. They grow faster than regular trees, but give less wood. (Can only be acquired from traders.)
• Wood Brazier - Burn planks for light. Useful during solar flares.
• Wood Burning Stove - Burn planks to cook food. Useful during solar flares.
• Integrated Grassless Sand Mod - Stops poverty grass growing on sand.

Mod Team:

• ItchyFlea (http://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=959) - Code
• Josh Carter - Textures
• Haplo (http://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=161) - C# Code

Important Notes:

• It's best to harvest trees when they are at 100% growth. Use the 'Cut Plants' command.
• A new colony is required, as this mod affects world generation.
• Most of the textures are the final product. A few placeholders still exist.
• Now includes the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International Public License.
• You may not include this mod in a mod pack without first obtaining my approval.

Download:
(http://i.imgur.com/KwibIVn.png) Wood Economy v0.94.1 (http://www.mediafire.com/download/cdbf7cl6007k2lr/Wood_0.94.1.7z)
(http://i.imgur.com/KwibIVn.png) BetterPower+ V2.3.4 Compatibility Mini-mod. (http://www.mediafire.com/download/ozgtabjp57tvpxn/BP_&_WE_Patch_v1.0.1.7z)

IMPORTANT: This version (0.94.1) should be compatible with saves made using 0.94. The game itself isn't compatible with saves from versions prior to Alpha 3F though.

Screens:
(http://i.imgur.com/Kx1hlaI.png)

How to install:

• Unzip the contents and place them in your RimWorld/Mods folder.
• Activate the mod in the mod menu in the game.

How to install the BetterPower+ Compatibility Mini-mod:

• Unzip the contents and place them in your RimWorld/Mods folder.
• Activate the mod in the mod menu in the game after you have activated both BetterPower+ and Wood Economy.

How to use the Brazier and Wood Stove:

• Your colonists will automatically fill both of these with planks.
• When selected, they will tell you how much firewood they have in them in the bottom left-hand corner of the screen (The Architect Window).
• To start the fire in them: Select them and either push the shortcut key F, or click the new UI button.
• For Braziers: The fire takes a couple of seconds to start, and also takes a few seconds to go out if extinguished. Colonists will automatically refill it when it gets low on firewood.
• For Wood Stove:  The fire cannot be put out once lit. Your colonists will not refill it until after the fire goes out. You should only use the  Wood Stove as a backup stove during solar flares.

Changelog:
V0.94.1 (Alpha 3F release):
Updated to work with Alpha 3F.

V0.94 (Alpha 3 release):
Additions:
Saplings: Plant a synthetic tree. Can only be planted on dirt or wood mulch. (Buy them from farming traders.)
Wood Stove: Cook food without electricity. Just needs planks to burn. (Special thanks to Haplo for the code.)
Brazier: Burn wood planks for light. (Special thanks to Haplo for the code.)
Synthetic Tree: It grows extremely quickly in all conditions but cannot spread.
Traders: Wood Economy specific one added.
Fence Gate added.
Bench Saw: Visual effect when used.
An Easter Egg: Can you find it?

Changes:
Wood Walls: Recipe change. Now 2 Metal 5 Planks. Now also transmits power.
Traders: Significantly changed.
Wood Economy Resources: Increased worth of mod related resources. Logs/Planks/etc.
Log Walls: Now return 1 log when destroyed.
Wood Mulch: Now supports the same surfaces that ordinary soil does. Fertility improvement increased to 1.25 (Was 1.2)
Trees: Grow regardless of light level.
Sand: Poverty Grass no longer grows on it. Cacti still does. (Integrated my Grassless Sand Mod)
Simple door: Changed to wooden door. Changed costs, allowed it to transmit power.
Bench Saw: Planks and Wood Mulch are now made separately.

BetterPower+ Compatibility Mini-mod:
NOTES:
This changes the Brazier and Wood Stove so that they can use Coal from BetterPower+.
You must activate this after you have activated both BetterPower+ and Wood Economy.[/list]

looks nice idea because wood is more quicker to build and trees can regrow back and again and again

Giving this a try; I will let you know my feedback issues! Should I play it by itself or can I use it with some other mods?

I've been playing a little bit with this, and I've not found anything that looks like a real bug, but a couple things I notice with the balance:

- The appearance modifier seems really high. I had a 2 tile wide hallway floored with wood, and despite the whole thing being covered with rock bits from mining, colonists in it were getting the 'beautiful environment' modifier - for it being so easy to gather, that seems a bit much.

- Relating to that last bit, you get a whole lot of wood really quickly. There are plenty of trees around, each of them drops a bunch of logs, those logs get turned into even more planks, and the sawmill works extremely fast. Even if you wanted to build your entire colony out of wood, you'd need remarkably little in the way of time and trees to do so.

No pics, no clicks dude. Sounds awesome though.

This is a nice idea; but i would say a lot of things need balancing, afterall, its only wood; i agree with everything FowlJ says; you harvest way too much wood per tree, the sawmill is way too quick, produces too many planks per 10 logs and all the wood items use very few planks; but i also think the trees are spawning too fast, and most importantly, the wood walls are too strong (600hp, compared to a metal walls 250?) plus, if its possible, i would suggest making it all a bit more flammable; otherwise i think this is an awesome mod, and fits well with the new crafting systems

Did someone say pics?

Although the textures certainly need work, as you acknowledge, I do like the "Little House on the Prairie" feeling that the wood texture gives to a building:

http://puu.sh/7e5uO.png

Wider view:

http://puu.sh/7e5Tt.png

I noticed some issues with cactus overlap and the blueprint texture:

http://puu.sh/7e5Lh.png
http://puu.sh/7e5Nv.png

One disadvantage the trees have compared to e.g. cactuses is that it's easier to notice that they are occluded by natural rock walls.

My main criticism is that the plank cutting labor time seems to be very low and that a single tree yields a lot more wood than intuitively makes sense.

I think that if trees yielded log debris (i.e. objects like boulders rather than resources) and if each log yielded maybe twenty planks overall the wood economy would feel more realistic.

Wood Economy v0.91 has been released.

Download: Wood Economy v0.91 (http://www.mediafire.com/download/tw38a4tij4ph4i1/Wood_0.91.7z)

Changes:
Trees: Now drop 20 Raw Wood instead of 250.
Bench Saw: Takes 10x longer to process wood into planks.
Bench Saw: Changed the Raw Wood -> Planks recipe. Now it's 1 -> 5. Before it was 10 -> 25.
Walls: Dropped HP from 500 to 100
Walls: Removed the Raw Wood cost (The game was ignoring it anyway.)
Wood Floors: Lowered the beauty rating to match smooth stone floors.

Fixes:
Made a proper blueprint texture and removed the flipped metal wall texture.

Known Issues:
Cactus overlaps the tree texture.

Well! I agree with all the comments that got made today and am really happy with your changes! This is a great addition to make the world more interactable.

hello, new here.
might i suggest the addition of wooden fences? would work like sandbags, just cheaper and nicer looking.

You might want to tone down the trees, they are really bright and contrast  a lot with the rest of the games vegetation. Also, the wood seems to put a very fine line around it, making it look kind of strange. Maybe you should add a border, or allow it to interact more with surrounding tiles like the stock paving tiles.

From the pictures, I'd say you might want to darken the  wood just a little.  It kinda stands out to much.  Also you might want to make the boards a little thinner.  It looks a little strange in it's current state is all I'm saying.  I'll give it a go though.  If you want to make wood thinner, you could just half size the texture file and tile it 2x2.  That'd make the boards thinner for sure and smaller.  Which I feel would fit better with the game.  But darker wood would also be nicer, to more closely take the colors of the game.

Edit:
In my very first map gen, it seems that trees have spawned on geysers, and in deserts.  That should be tweaked too.  xP  They also kinda stick out like a sore thumb, but not as bad as the wood.  Maybe lower the saturation of the image a bit?  Try and get close to the same color palate as the game?

How have you edited the terrain generation? I've been looking to do that and i cannot figure out how... Also, how are you managing to create new instances after set periods of time? Another thing I'm struggling with.

The trees are, in a small sense, a modified Saguaro Cactus. The new ones that pop up are using the same mechanism the Saguaro cactus uses to create new instances of itself. Just at a lower rate. Feel free to poke around in the Trees.xml file to see what I've done. :)

One thing I noticed is that my colonists never cut down trees on their own.  I have to tell them to cut down each tree manually.  Which is odd.

Quote from: NephilimNexus on March 01, 2014, 09:06:31 PM
One thing I noticed is that my colonists never cut down trees on their own.  I have to tell them to cut down each tree manually.  Which is odd.

That's intended. You cannot plant new trees yourself, you have to wait for the trees themselves to reproduce. (They are slow to do so, which is intended.) If you were to cut down all the trees on the map, you'd be left in a world where you only have a finite amount of wood to use. Currently, if you leave at least 1 fully grown tree in the world, it's infinite.

looking good an its nice to have something other than stone or metal
though I'm finding the colors to be a bit too saturated in my opinion, especialy the trees.
try de-saturate the colors a bit

I've got someone working on the textures for me, as I'm really bad at making textures myself. The Benchsaw is a good example.  :)
The next version will hopefully include those textures, a few little tweaks, and other additions.

A new version has been released. This version is not compatible with previous versions. You will need to make a new colony, as the game will crash/behave strangely if you attempt to open a save file from 0.91 while running 0.92. Hopefully this is the only time this will occur.

Whats new in this version:
V0.92:
Additions:
Log Walls: Defensive Wood Log Wall. Requires 3 logs to build. 350HP
Wooden Picket Fences: A nice wood picket fence to keeping animals out of your growing areas. Can be shot over. 50HP, 30% Cover.

Changes:
Wood Panel Walls: These replace wood walls. They require 1 log and 7 Planks to build. 100HP.
Trees: Now spawn in groups. Kinda like mini-forests.
Trees: Now drop 25 Logs (Increased from 20)
Renamed RawWood into Logs
Lowered the time it takes to turn a log into 5 planks. (Was 250, Now 200)

NEW TEXTURES!
Extra special thanks to Josh Carter for the textures.

I like the update, but there would be one small change I think would make fences look better, I took this from your screenshot and did a quick paint.exe edit.
(http://ft.trillian.im/33c7a0bfe47d003fba21abe70f086db0347d1d99/6nSLq7hmjQr8fPvBIfSq36zFem203.jpg)
It doesn't look as good when the planks are on both sides, this texture I rigged up in paint, looks like a wooden fence, that you would be able to shoot over.  The texture now looks like a double double sided privacy fence which you'd have to stand on boxes to shoot over.  :P

Just a texture swap suggestion is all.  It can still use planks in it's construction, or logs.  The dark wood walls I saw in the image look more like they'd be constructed from planks as well.  So maybe the fence can use logs and the wall can use logs and planks?  Not sure.  I've just avoided using these wood walls because of how they clash with the game and look, I still use the floors.  :P

A few things are still using placeholder textures. Log Walls and Fences are using placeholder textures. The Wood Walls are using an in-progress texture. There's probably a couple of other things that I'm forgetting right now.  :)

EDIT:
The screenshot I posted is showing how the wood walls link up with normal metal walls. It doesn't show the log walls (which are using a darker coloured version of the fence texture.)

Quote from: ItchyFlea on March 06, 2014, 07:13:36 PM
A few things are still using placeholder textures. Log Walls and Fences are using placeholder textures. The Wood Walls are using an in-progress texture. There's probably a couple of other things that I'm forgetting right now.  :)

EDIT:
The screenshot I posted is showing how the wood walls link up with normal metal walls. It doesn't show the log walls (which are using a darker coloured version of the fence texture.)

I thought the log walls might look like those wood walls you have there, only darker or maybe with bark texture instead.  Maybe you can use log floors, where you have a dark colored wood or even bark texture on the floors for a more beautiful finish.  :P

P.S.  Spell check says Coloured isn't a word.  xP  Why do people put ou instead of just o all the time? xD

Because in my country colour is spelled with ou, same with armour and probably many other words. I'm in New Zealand.  :)

Quote from: Vas on March 06, 2014, 07:28:32 PM

P.S.  Spell check says Coloured isn't a word.  xP  Why do people put ou instead of just o all the time? xD

it depends on where your spell check is from, color is the american way, and I believe colour is the European way, or whatever it actually is called

Quote from: Ember on March 06, 2014, 08:51:16 PM

Quote from: Vas on March 06, 2014, 07:28:32 PM

P.S.  Spell check says Coloured isn't a word.  xP  Why do people put ou instead of just o all the time? xD

it depends on where your spell check is from, color is the american way, and I believe colour is the European way, or whatever it actually is called

Whereas Technicolor® is always spelled that way because it's a Registered trademark. The more you know! :D

So, I have this tree issue....

On the positive side, a wall of trees completely breaks raider pathing/logic, so I'm safer than ever.

Apologies for crappy image quality, the forum restricted file size, so I lowered the quality significantly.

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Quote from: letharion on March 07, 2014, 07:10:31 PM
So, I have this tree issue....
On the positive side, a wall of trees completely breaks raider pathing/logic, so I'm safer than ever.
Apologies for crappy image quality, the forum restricted file size, so I lowered the quality significantly.

Ummm....  :o
Trees should be flammable. Try a forest fire.

EDIT: Looks like I made the tree life expectancy a little to high. I've cut the time in half, which might help prevent this from occurring in future versions. Hopefully this doesn't break compatibility...  :-\

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Quote from: ItchyFlea on March 07, 2014, 07:46:23 PMTrees should be flammable. Try a forest fire.

No can do, every time I try the storyteller decides (due to low population count?) that fires are bad and soon starts to rain. I tried uping the flammability, but numbers about 4 doesn't seem to do much. I tried as high as 1000, but it didn't help.

Quote from: ItchyFlea on March 07, 2014, 07:46:23 PMEDIT: Looks like I made the tree life expectancy a little to high. I've cut the time in half, which might help prevent this from occurring in future versions. Hopefully this doesn't break compatibility...  :-\

Cool, I'll report back if I encounter more issues. :)

The tree grows too fast! By the time of a long game, my map is being invested with trees. I can't burn them down fast enough. Also, I can't sell the logs either.

I request that you either slow their growth or make them available for trade. To make it even better, add a variety of furniture that uses use logs as fuel. A log fire light, a cooking stove, etc. That way you can even cook and have light even during a solar flare. 

I agree the tree growth is a problem come late game. 0.93 should help alleviate that problem. Buying and selling logs/planks with traders is planned, and may be included in 0.93. (Highly likely now that I think about it.)

I like the idea of being able to use logs as fuel/light source, especially during solar flares. Although those will be tricky to implement in Alpha 2.

A new version has been released. This version is not compatible with previous versions. You will need to make a new colony, as the game will crash/behave strangely if you attempt to open a save file from 0.91 or 0.92 while running 0.93. While I hope this doesn't occur in the future, I cannot guarantee it.

Please post what you think about the prices of Logs, Planks and Mulch with traders.

Whats new in this version:
V0.93:
Additions:
Mulch Pile - Byproduct of processing Logs into Planks. 25HP
Planks, Logs and Wood Mulch can be traded with Farming and Industrial Traders. (Mulch only with Farming trader)
Wood Mulch - New terrain type. Improves soil fertility by 20%. Can only be placed on soil. Spreads Mulch Filth.

Changes:
Logs & Planks: Now use the health system. 50HP.
Turning Logs into Planks produces 1 wood mulch pile.
Trees: Various small tweaks.

Fixes:
Cactus no longer draws over tree texture.

NOTES:
It takes 2 Mulch Piles to improve soil.
Additions are using placeholder textures.

Can you make one version of the WallWood(wood wall) that cost one additional metal and have an power conduct in it like the metal wall.?
Hate when I build an wooden Hut/house and I cant drag the power line in whit out turning it into an mess or make it ugly.

Has anyone been able to download the latest version, 0.93? After clicking the download button on the mediafire-page, it tries to connect but doesn't download any file.

Hi,

Trees often kill raiders in my save,

because they grow while in same time don't spread much => this lead to a lot of pathfinding issue (they can't go trought trees)

So I can't really play unless I cut "line" of tree inside forest and build something like Stone Tile to avoid them growing everywhere ....

(well, it turn that it's the best defense atm - cost nothing and kill by starvation raiders)

No idea how it could be avoided tought.

Quote from: Oragepoilu on March 09, 2014, 12:19:45 PMHi,
Trees often kill raiders in my save,
because they grow while in same time don't spread much => this lead to a lot of pathfinding issue (they can't go trought trees)
So I can't really play unless I cut "line" of tree inside forest and build something like Stone Tile to avoid them growing everywhere ....
(well, it turn that it's the best defense atm - cost nothing and kill by starvation raiders)
No idea how it could be avoided tought.

I thought I had fixed that. Can you please upload your save so I can take a look and test a few things?

Quote from: ItchyFlea on March 09, 2014, 04:39:25 PM

Quote from: Oragepoilu on March 09, 2014, 12:19:45 PMHi,
Trees often kill raiders in my save,
because they grow while in same time don't spread much => this lead to a lot of pathfinding issue (they can't go trought trees)
So I can't really play unless I cut "line" of tree inside forest and build something like Stone Tile to avoid them growing everywhere ....
(well, it turn that it's the best defense atm - cost nothing and kill by starvation raiders)
No idea how it could be avoided tought.

I thought I had fixed that. Can you please upload your save so I can take a look and test a few things?

Sorry but you'r request lead me to 3 problems :

-I'v already placed some Stone tiles to avoid any problem, in all the area where there are some trees
-I'm using some other mods, so it may become hard to test anyway mainly because mod don't allow often to "update" unless you start a new game, so it's not the last version
-I have no idea what ppl here use to upload file.

btw, it also kill squirrel, boomrat, bufalo, travelers, drop pod. All by starvation of course.

I could try to use the newest version with another save and test a bit (doing the same i do, and see if the same event occur) but i still wonder how you may have fixed that ? Making growing tree not possible when there is another tree nearby ? Almost sure it's not possible; Avoid spawming near tree ? Even if possible, could lead to mroe problem than it solve.

One of the tweaks I made to trees in 0.93 was to have them allow pawns to path through them if there is no other viable route for them to take. If you are using a previous version of the mod, that will be why pawns are getting stuck. Trees in 0.92 and below all completely block pathing.

just one question. i am the first official addon maker for wood economy? if so ,whats the prize?  ;D http://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=2413.0

ok, im the first official unofficial addon maker  ;D

Quote from: ItchyFlea on March 09, 2014, 09:37:09 PM
One of the tweaks I made to trees in 0.93 was to have them allow pawns to path through them if there is no other viable route for them to take. If you are using a previous version of the mod, that will be why pawns are getting stuck. Trees in 0.92 and below all completely block pathing.

hu, i would never tought that could be possible atm.

Well, i'll have to update & make a new game then. Thx for you'r reply.

Another unofficial add on http://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=2511.0

Just a quick thought I just now had.  You should (in Alpha 3) try to make it so trees spread and grow more rarely on certain map seeds.  Possibly with story tellers even.  So if someone chooses a difficult story teller, maybe trees will spread half as much and grow twice as slow.  Maybe a randomized event that will delete anywhere between 15% - 80% of the trees on the map, event would be Wood Rot, or Termites, or something like that and would always take a randomized value between 15% to 80% of the trees on the map.  Always leaving a minimum of 3 trees (1 tree on Randy or other difficult story tellers).

How does this sound for an added difficulty for Wood Economy?

Another thought I had, was a tree farm.  Using growing areas to grow trees.  It'd be nice if you could make it so trees can only grow 3 blocks apart, like they take a 3x3 grid each tree, and it grows in the center always and another tree must have it's own 3x3 grid with no tree grids in it before it can grow.  I often seen trees growing directly next to each other creating large unwalkable areas and such or even just looking bad.  So it'd be nice if they had to have 2 blocks free space between them always.

Quote from: Vas on March 13, 2014, 06:42:06 AM
Another thought I had, was a tree farm.  Using growing areas to grow trees.  It'd be nice if you could make it so trees can only grow 3 blocks apart, like they take a 3x3 grid each tree, and it grows in the center always and another tree must have it's own 3x3 grid with no tree grids in it before it can grow.  I often seen trees growing directly next to each other creating large unwalkable areas and such or even just looking bad.  So it'd be nice if they had to have 2 blocks free space between them always.

You wouldn't believe how many times I've tried this in Alpha 2.
I don't know which approach I would consider closer. The game going rainbow colours upon completion of placing a sapling, or just the outright black screen when trying to start the game.  :)

As for unwalkable areas, that's been fixed in 0.93. Trees don't block movement anymore. But I do agree that they don't look all that good when next to each other. Although there isn't much I can do about that at the moment. Might be able to do it in Alpha 3.

EDIT: I like the idea of Wood Rot.

I didn't really set out intending to mod your mod, But I did. I was testing workshops not shaped like a rectangle and came up with this
(http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/ag117/Kirid420/Chop_zpsceed9d26.png) (http://s1301.photobucket.com/user/Kirid420/media/Chop_zpsceed9d26.png.html)
It still needs a little work, I'm not to good with this art angle yet.
But it makes little trees instead of logs when harvested, then the chopping block turns them into logs. Just adds a pointless step really..

Would it be possible to add a brazier or sconce that would use wood as fuel to stay lit?  It could provide light (not as effective as a regular light) and a status booster (because everyone loves wood burning things.)  Plus it would work well with a castle theme. 

Quote from: HawkWinters on March 13, 2014, 06:09:41 PM
Would it be possible to add a brazier or sconce that would use wood as fuel to stay lit?  It could provide light (not as effective as a regular light) and a status booster (because everyone loves wood burning things.)  Plus it would work well with a castle theme.

Awesome! Idea! Light without electricty; there's to little low tech among the mods curretly.

Anything that uses wood for fuel can't be added until Alpha 3 comes out, because there is no way (that I know of) to make things use fuel via XML.
So far, what I want to add when Alpha 3 comes out are:

• Wood Stove
• Brazier
• Tree Saplings
• Fence Gate & Wood Door

Of course, all of those depend on whether or not I can learn to code C# in time.  :)

Quote from: ItchyFlea on March 14, 2014, 09:30:28 PM

• Brazier

Oh god, I thought you said brassiere. Don't mind me and my dirty mind.

Well, I think it's safe to say I'm not going to learn C# in time. Anybody willing to do some free C# coding work when Alpha 3 is released?

The Fence Gate and Wood Door are technically already covered by the addition of simple doors on Feb 25th, as noted in the RimWorld changelog (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_rCdGYp3nbSUXFG4Ky96RZW1cJGt9g_6ANZZPOHyNsg/pub)

Quote from: ItchyFlea on March 17, 2014, 12:17:55 AMAnybody willing to do some free C# coding work when Alpha 3 is released?

I'm definitely willing to do some free work to benefit this awesome game and mod, however, time is short, and my C# is a bit rusty. Let's take a look at it when the alpha comes out, and we'll see what happens. :)

people how i can make the trees to spread and grow faster? because im playing with other mods that actually make basic defences and tecnology for later game  8) so i was hoping use the wood as primary source of defence but given the low rate of trees and grow speed the colony dies in day 15 or 23  :'( (i'm playing on the hardest of the hardest xD) so what i need to change in the trees xml ??

You could always buy wood from traders while waiting for trees to grow and spread.

I strongly advise against modifying the mod files. But, if you feel you need to, open up the trees.xml file and increase the value of these fields to achieve what you're after:

<wildCommonality> - Affects how many trees are present when you start a new world.
<growthPer20kTicks> - Affects how quickly the trees grow.
<seedEmitAveragePer20kTicks> - Affects how quickly trees spread.

thx i just gona change the amount of trees in the begining because in all new map only get few trees 8 or 10 13max in a oasis  :P

Do we have an ETA on when this is Alpha 3 ready or is it already?

A3 version should be coming soon. I've been helping test it, and I believe it is one or two tweaks away from release. I can't wait for the final A3 version either! :)

Should be up in a few hours. Just doing some checking to make sure all is well before release.

v0.94 has been released. This updates the mod to work with Alpha 3, and includes several new features.
Check the changelog to see a breakdown of these new features.

I have also included a mini-mod that adds some compatibility with BetterPower+, so that the Coal resource added can be used to fuel the Brazier and Wood Stove.

Note about the Brazier: It has an interaction square (the yellow O) so that the colonists can fill it with firewood. You can rotate it with the Q and E keys. It's currently using a placeholder texture, so won't look too good when rotated I'm afraid.

any eta on the 3f version?

Updated to 0.94.1. The mod now works with Alpha 3F.  :)
Also updated the BetterPower+ Compatibility patch.

Quote from: ItchyFlea on April 16, 2014, 05:45:26 PM
Updated to 0.94.1. The mod now works with Alpha 3F.  :)
Also updated the BetterPower+ Compatibility patch.

Thank you fine sir, you are much faster than my espresso maker..I need to update to the ItchyFlea model.

While I'd love to take the credit, it's Haplo who deserves it. He does the C# code, which is what needed updating for this mod to work with Alpha 3F.

Quote from: ItchyFlea on April 16, 2014, 05:45:26 PM
Updated to 0.94.1. The mod now works with Alpha 3F.  :)
Also updated the BetterPower+ Compatibility patch.

Woohoo!

Quote from: ItchyFlea on April 16, 2014, 06:29:17 PM
While I'd love to take the credit, it's Haplo who deserves it. He does the C# code, which is what needed updating for this mod to work with Alpha 3F.

;D..Well then I'd like to change my order to the Haplo model ::)

Quote from: ItchyFlea on April 16, 2014, 06:29:17 PM
While I'd love to take the credit, it's Haplo who deserves it. He does the C# code, which is what needed updating for this mod to work with Alpha 3F.

i like to see this. it shows good modmanship and good spunk (DIRTY WORD!!!! EWWWW!!!!)

and i also love this mod (even though i don't use it, it's a great mod)

You've seem to have set the wrong encoding for one of your files. That my save file editor caught when trying to load the data check the image below to see what one.

http://prntscr.com/3cf0ly

I'm having some major overgrowth problems. I got an almost entirely sand map. Poverty grass is entirely extinct, and pincushion cacti have taken over the whole map. I'm not 100% certain, but I think this has to do with the grassless sand mod. Without the grass, there is nothing to keep the cacti in check.

Screenshot (http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/ag117/Kirid420/Screenshots/Killitwithfire.png) of the bottom left corner of my current colony. It was taken in the middle of a controlled burn using god-mode lighting strikes, using godmode to keep it from raining also. This is the second time I have had to clear my map of pincushions this way. This time I am burning every last one.

The encoding thing was done on purpose, because I was curious if that actually affected anything in-game. I've changed it back to 8 for the next version.

I'll look into the pincushion cactus overgrowth, as that mostly defeats the purpose of the grassless sand mod.

Could somebody explain to me how to plant a new tree at this mod?

You need to buy saplings from either a farming vessel or a wood economy vessel to plant a 'Tree Sapling', which is in the Furniture tab.
The saplings have a base cost of 15 silver each, but depending on the vessel, and the social skill of whoever is using the comms console, they could cost up to around 30 silver each.
They grow much faster than normal trees, taking around 5 days to fully mature, whereas natural trees take about 15 days. :) There are a few differences between planted trees and natural trees, the most significant being a fully grown natural tree gives you 25 logs, and one you've planted yourself only gives 15 when fully grown.

I'd like to be able to start my own forest with them, and not auto dig these trees up.  is that possible?  Just have these home grown trees not harvest themselves, and not grow new ones beside them?  So your trees can live for very long periods of time unless you harvest them, and they won't spread.  it would be like you fence in an area and plant a perfect grid of trees like a bio-habitat or something and only harvest them when you need wood, or they naturally die much later than they do now, maybe 45 game days is their max and then you get no wood back.

The ones you plant yourself are like that. They aren't capable of spreading anywhere, and their lifetime is the same as a natural tree.
Not sure what you mean by harvest themselves though, as they aren't able to do that now. They do die off though after being fully grown for about 20 days.

Quote from: Vas on April 23, 2014, 10:15:59 PM
Odd, never noticed how long they lasted, i just go back and see dead trees and stacks of 15 wood.

Also, Please change any floor tiles to use
      <DesignationCategory>Floors</DesignationCategory>
Instead of
      <DesignationCategory>Structure</DesignationCategory>
I've already done this in my copy of your mod.  :P

A fresh download of the current public version does not contain that category. Making the suggested change would break the mod.

Shouldn't harvested trees give you a sapling or two so you can replenish them on your own? I don't like being dependent on traders for single use trees, farming is about living off the land.

Ideally yes. That will be coming in a future version.

Hmm, what you do have there is the testers version of the alpha 4 translation build.
Your shown menu is integrated there, but not in the alpha 3 builds.
Even the newest alpha 3 build, 0.3.413 (aka alpha 3f) still has the old architect structure with bigger buttons and without the category Floors...

Hrmmm Wood economy... Sounds nice but like in RL the trees sometimes take too long to grow if you need wood NOW. Maybe add another plant? Bamboo for example grows like crazy, spreads like crazy and it's as durable and usefull as wood is, if not even more durable... It's just an idea.

But I like the "low-tech" idea of your mod! ;)

Quote from: Vas on April 24, 2014, 01:46:32 PM
Odd, shouldn't an Alpha 4 have a different version number all together then?

Normally yes, it would be 0.4.xxx. But there was a bit of confusion with the first versions..
I think since 412 or so Tynan corrected them.

Quote from: Darkfirephoenix on April 24, 2014, 01:58:04 PM
Hrmmm Wood economy... Sounds nice but like in RL the trees sometimes take too long to grow if you need wood NOW. Maybe add another plant? Bamboo for example grows like crazy, spreads like crazy and it's as durable and usefull as wood is, if net even more durable... It's just an idea. But I like the "low-tech" idea of your mod! ;)

Well it is SciFi, and who's to say whether or not they have been able to speed up the process..but I do like the concept of bamboo. In all reality we might be able to assume the intrepid explorers may bring bits of home to start new colonies with.

Quote from: Vas on April 24, 2014, 11:52:24 AM

Quote from: ItchyFlea on April 24, 2014, 12:18:25 AM
A fresh download of the current public version does not contain that category. Making the suggested change would break the mod.

Odd, isn't Alpha 3 public?  Cause I have Alpha 3 and I have floors category.
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/30270697/floors.png)
Version 0.3.409 at the top corner.

BLARG, EDITED OUT *SPOILER*

Quote from: daft73 on April 24, 2014, 02:12:29 PM
Well it is SciFi, and who's to say whether or not they have been able to speed up the process..but I do like the concept of bamboo. In all reality we might be able to assume the intrepid explorers may bring bits of home to start new colonies with.

Yes they may have speed up the growth rate of the trees, but that would mean that you have to manipulate/breed the trees so that this happens, and someone who crash-lands has only emergency equip and such manipulated tree seed would be expensive. So I would imagine that they would put an plant in wich is extremly usefull in many aspects: Bamboo grows like crazy, spreads like crazy (I already said that), you would have to dig out the roots to stop it from growing, it's durable and you can even eat it. I imagine that most ppl would choose such an usefull plant over an tree anytime, or? ;)

Maybe you could even let trees drop food too? Apples etc. That would make them even more useful! :D

Quote from: Cala13er on April 24, 2014, 02:15:23 PM

Quote from: Vas on April 24, 2014, 11:52:24 AM

Quote from: ItchyFlea on April 24, 2014, 12:18:25 AM
A fresh download of the current public version does not contain that category. Making the suggested change would break the mod.

Odd, isn't Alpha 3 public?  Cause I have Alpha 3 and I have floors category.
......
Version 0.3.409 at the top corner.

Vas, you should probably remove that image. I read a while ago that Tynan doesn't want testers to leak information about alpha 4, and seeing as you're showing people about the new architect menu. That's exposing it.

..That said, don't you think you may want to alter your post Cala13er.. ;) :-X

Quote from: daft73 on April 24, 2014, 02:32:17 PM

Quote from: Cala13er on April 24, 2014, 02:15:23 PM

Quote from: Vas on April 24, 2014, 11:52:24 AM

Quote from: ItchyFlea on April 24, 2014, 12:18:25 AM
A fresh download of the current public version does not contain that category. Making the suggested change would break the mod.

Odd, isn't Alpha 3 public?  Cause I have Alpha 3 and I have floors category.
......
Version 0.3.409 at the top corner.

Vas, you should probably remove that image. I read a while ago that Tynan doesn't want testers to leak information about alpha 4, and seeing as you're showing people about the new architect menu. That's exposing it.

..That said, don't you think you may want to alter your post Cala13er.. ;) :-X

Good idea ;)

When downloading the file I can not unzip the file for it is not a .zip file it is a .7z file. Any help with this please?

.7z is the extension used by 7Zip. Most archive programs should be able to unzip it, although I've only tested WinRAR. You can download 7Zip for free, here: http://www.7-zip.org/

Itchy, what's the easter egg? I've not seen it yet.

Quote from: Cala13er on May 02, 2014, 09:02:10 AM
Itchy, what's the easter egg? I've not seen it yet.

That's why its an Easter egg....

Quote from: Blackjack1000K on May 02, 2014, 09:04:33 AM

Quote from: Cala13er on May 02, 2014, 09:02:10 AM
Itchy, what's the easter egg? I've not seen it yet.

That's why its an Easter egg....

Well I don't play RimWorld without my modpack, so if I've seen it, I may have thought some other mod added it or something.

Quote from: Cala13er on May 02, 2014, 09:06:00 AM

Quote from: Blackjack1000K on May 02, 2014, 09:04:33 AM

Quote from: Cala13er on May 02, 2014, 09:02:10 AM
Itchy, what's the easter egg? I've not seen it yet.

That's why its an Easter egg....

Well I don't play RimWorld without my modpack, so if I've seen it, I may have thought some other mod added it or something.

Well that's for you to figure out,
Besides you could always take a look at the files :P

Quote from: Blackjack1000K on May 02, 2014, 09:08:51 AM

Quote from: Cala13er on May 02, 2014, 09:06:00 AM

Quote from: Blackjack1000K on May 02, 2014, 09:04:33 AM

Quote from: Cala13er on May 02, 2014, 09:02:10 AM
Itchy, what's the easter egg? I've not seen it yet.

That's why its an Easter egg....

Well I don't play RimWorld without my modpack, so if I've seen it, I may have thought some other mod added it or something.

Well that's for you to figure out,
Besides you could always take a look at the files :P

That would be cheating :P

Not if your looking at the Def files "Legit"

Kind of a simple issue I've been biting my toungue over.

BetterPower+ overwrites the powered door and simple door to cost wire, then Wood Econ overwrites the simple door to cost wood planks and adds wood gate.
So I end up with is powered door(75 metal+5 wire) wooden door(1metal+5planks) and wooden fence gate. The simple door that costs wire was written over.

It's not a huge problem most of the time. But it makes starting some maps very difficult. Especially if it is a big desert map with only one group of trees across the map.
I either have to spend tons of resources to build all powered doors, or wait until power is set up, sawbench built, trees cut, and planks made until I can build a cheap door.
I just think the BP + Wood compatibily mod should seperate the def for the simple wood or metal door.

hi ItchyFlea

i have improved the brazier again...just try it. it now smokes and throw sparks :-D
all credits goes to you of course


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This is a pretty good mod.  The wood economy seems to work rather well, and the textures don't completely clash with the overall style of the vanilla game.

I never did figure out how to use the Firewood Stove, though.  I assume that it's just unfinished and will be functional in some future update.

Quote from: OpposingForces on March 01, 2014, 03:17:48 AM
hello, new here.
might i suggest the addition of wooden fences? would work like sandbags, just cheaper and nicer looking.

Tim's safety is at risk
http://www.menscience.com/blog/uploaded_images/Young-smiling-asian-man-745813.jpg

EDIT by ItchyFlea: Removal of IMG tag on irrelevant image.

Quote from: murlocdummy on May 26, 2014, 12:49:56 AM
This is a pretty good mod.  The wood economy seems to work rather well, and the textures don't completely clash with the overall style of the vanilla game.

Thank you.  :)

Quote from: murlocdummy on May 26, 2014, 12:49:56 AM
I never did figure out how to use the Firewood Stove, though.  I assume that it's just unfinished and will be functional in some future update.

Is it functional, but a little odd in how it works. I haven't used it for a while myself, so I might be slightly off with this:
Your colonists will try to always ensure that it contains 10 planks to use as fuel (It's default storage priority is 'Important'). When you want to use it, set up a bill for food, then when your cook is ready, click on the start fire button. It'll burn long enough for a cook to make about 10 simple meals.

Quote from: ItchyFlea on May 26, 2014, 03:28:21 AM

Quote from: murlocdummy on May 26, 2014, 12:49:56 AM
This is a pretty good mod.  The wood economy seems to work rather well, and the textures don't completely clash with the overall style of the vanilla game.

Thank you.  :)

Quote from: murlocdummy on May 26, 2014, 12:49:56 AM
I never did figure out how to use the Firewood Stove, though.  I assume that it's just unfinished and will be functional in some future update.

Is it functional, but a little odd in how it works. I haven't used it for a while myself, so I might be slightly off with this:
Your colonists will try to always ensure that it contains 10 planks to use as fuel (It's default storage priority is 'Important'). When you want to use it, set up a bill for food, then when your cook is ready, click on the start fire button. It'll burn long enough for a cook to make about 10 simple meals.

Well, the good thing is that Wood Economy is going to be implemented in the vanilla game, which should fix the bugs that I've been having with it.  It seems to work when it wants to, sometimes screwing with my pawns whenever I build it.  Maybe I should just keep stockpiles of berries sitting around instead of relying on the Firewood Stove.  The rest of the mod seems to work correctly, though.

Can you tell us, what the pawns do to be srewed?

The normal procedure of it should be like this:
You build it => The pawns will fill it with firewood (Planks) up to 10 => The amount of firewood inside is shown in the description => You need to manually ignite it. When thats done, you can use it as a normal stove as long as the fire is burning.

At least this is how it should work...

Quote from: Haplo on May 26, 2014, 05:01:56 AM
Can you tell us, what the pawns do to be srewed?

The normal procedure of it should be like this:
You build it => The pawns will fill it with firewood (Planks) up to 10 => The amount of firewood inside is shown in the description => You need to manually ignite it. When thats done, you can use it as a normal stove as long as the fire is burning.

At least this is how it should work...

Some of my pawns are trying to carry food items into the stove, leading to them picking up food items and dropping them right next to themselves.  They do this repeatedly, and it lags the game immensely.  The stove also doesn't accept planks until I reload the game.  The thing is a real pain to deal with.

That's strange. I've tried it, but can't reproduce it :(
Can you tell me what other mods you've installed?
Or better do you have the output_log.txt file?

Quote from: Haplo on May 26, 2014, 05:36:25 AM
That's strange. I've tried it, but can't reproduce it :(
Can you tell me what other mods you've installed?
Or better do you have the output_log.txt file?

I get the job-giving loop error alot whenever I play, regardless of mods.
https://www.mediafire.com/?t6uhslv0oebbesu

I think that Inventory Panel gave me some issues with Armory when the textures didn't load properly.
The real game breaking problem is just the pawns running amok with job-giving loops.  I never figured out how to fix those.  I usually just start a new game with a whole new set of mods and forget about the old games.  The pawns going mad is pretty much the end of the game for me much of the time.

May I make a addon for my mod and your mod?

Since this isn't going to be updated to Alpha 4 for obvious reasons, I might as well mention what the easter egg was. :)

I gave one of the def files this name: If looks like a duck, sounds like a duck, then devours your soul, well, it's a duck, just not a very nice one.
Got that from FlowerChild, the developer of the Minecraft Mod: Better Than Wolves (http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/253365-152-sspsmp-better-than-wolves-now-with-hardcore-sinkholes-total-conversion-v499999a0c-marsupial-upd-may-23rd/)

i told you people to look at the def files and you guys didn't listen :P

ok