Please re-think the post-verification answers.
"You cool a room with an air _______:" neither "condition" nor "cooler" works there.
Help the non-native english-speakers to contribute to the forum :)
I am not asking to get rid of the system, just make the valid answers less language-specific.
If it helps, us English speakers find them troublesome as well. I'm not sure why Tynan's post-verification is so complex; I don't recall another forum that needed 2 verification questions, let alone 5.
the solution is "conditioner"
condition -> something's status, i.e. the air is cool
conditioner -> something that changes the status of something else
yeah, english is quite weird, especially if it's not your native language, or if you don't want to invest some time in learning the language ... compare these german and english words:
(ger) Mord = (en) murder: the action to kill someone
(ger) Mörder = (en) murderer: the person, who kills someone
it's the same as everywhere: some things can be really confusing if you don't know them exactly :D
tbh: I had to do 2 minutes of research and some tries to find out that the correct answer here is "conditioner"
Quote from: Arnold Rimmer on September 05, 2016, 04:11:14 PM
Please re-think the post-verification answers.
"You cool a room with an air _______:" neither "condition" nor "cooler" works there.
Help the non-native english-speakers to contribute to the forum :)
I am not asking to get rid of the system, just make the valid answers less language-specific.
Why not make it non-english entirely? That way no bot will be able to complete it :).
Scalare, that is actually a good idea. (I am bending it a little)
The questions and answers could be provided by the translationteams.
Then, based on ones forum-language-setting, one would get PVQA's
in ones own language, easy to understand and easy to answer.
(I just noticed that those Questions do not appear EVERY time i post
something, is that an intended behaviour or a glitch?)
Quote from: Arnold Rimmer on September 08, 2016, 02:17:37 AM
(I just noticed that those Questions do not appear EVERY time i post
something, is that an intended behaviour or a glitch?)
There's a limit. Once you pass that limit you won't see the verification questions ever again. :)
Quote from: Arnold Rimmer on September 08, 2016, 02:17:37 AM
Scalare, that is actually a good idea. (I am bending it a little)
The questions and answers could be provided by the translationteams.
Then, based on ones forum-language-setting, one would get PVQA's
in ones own language, easy to understand and easy to answer.
(I just noticed that those Questions do not appear EVERY time i post
something, is that an intended behaviour or a glitch?)
No, I think others should feel the same discrimination as us foreigners do :P. Just have people from Canada and the USA answer questions in chinese before being allowed to post.
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Quote from: Scalare on September 08, 2016, 07:57:18 AM
No, I think others should feel the same discrimination as us foreigners do :P
you gotta see this from another angle: this stumbling blocks make sure, that the people who want to post here have a minimum knowledge of the english language. they're at least able to look for the correct answers on google, and don't post complete nonsense here.
Quote from: 14m1337 on September 08, 2016, 01:31:35 PM
Quote from: Scalare on September 08, 2016, 07:57:18 AM
No, I think others should feel the same discrimination as us foreigners do :P
you gotta see this from another angle: this stumbling blocks make sure, that the people who want to post here have a minimum knowledge of the english language. they're at least able to look for the correct answers on google, and don't post complete nonsense here.
Google has had support for other languages since the early beginnings, as does Rimworld.
The primary colors are red, green, and ______:
When did green become a primary color? Has my public school education failed me yet again by teaching Red, YELLOW and Blue as the primary colors?
Quote from: sausage_toes on September 08, 2016, 09:14:35 PM
The primary colors are red, green, and ______:
When did green become a primary color? Has my public school education failed me yet again by teaching Red, YELLOW and Blue as the primary colors?
Depends if you are dealing with Subtractive (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subtractive_color) Colour such as Paint/Printing or Additive (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Additive_color) Colour like a Computer / TV Monitor.
Why don't we just put all the answers in a sticky in this forum? It's for bot detection but no bot is smart enough to link the 2 together.
non english speaker - had 0 problem with questions, also questions showed for like first 5 posts.
Even if, it's easy enough to use google (it gives correct answer to air conditioner question at least).
Quote from: Scalare on September 09, 2016, 06:54:18 AM
Why don't we just put all the answers in a sticky in this forum? It's for bot detection but no bot is smart enough to link the 2 together.
If it was so simple i guess it would be already done :)
Quote from: Scalare on September 09, 2016, 06:54:18 AM
Why don't we just put all the answers in a sticky in this forum? It's for bot detection but no bot is smart enough to link the 2 together.
nooo, that 'd be too easy ;D
Quote from: 14m1337 on September 09, 2016, 08:16:48 AM
Quote from: Scalare on September 09, 2016, 06:54:18 AM
Why don't we just put all the answers in a sticky in this forum? It's for bot detection but no bot is smart enough to link the 2 together.
nooo, that 'd be too easy ;D
Then I guess we have to wait until Quebec passes laws about making adhering to WCAG guidelines mandatory, and here's why:
Disabled people won't be able to answer the question about what's on top of the page, since the image doesn't have the same alt text as the text in the image, so when they view this page with a screen reader they keep on entering 'ludeon forums' making you effectively restrict visually impaired people from posting on these forums :).
Quote from: Scalare on September 09, 2016, 08:30:48 AM
Quote from: 14m1337 on September 09, 2016, 08:16:48 AM
Quote from: Scalare on September 09, 2016, 06:54:18 AM
Why don't we just put all the answers in a sticky in this forum? It's for bot detection but no bot is smart enough to link the 2 together.
nooo, that 'd be too easy ;D
Then I guess we have to wait until Quebec passes laws about making adhering to WCAG guidelines mandatory, and here's why:
Disabled people won't be able to answer the question about what's on top of the page, since the image doesn't have the same alt text as the text in the image, so when they view this page with a screen reader they keep on entering 'ludeon forums' making you effectively restrict visually impaired people from posting on these forums :).
Nope. Ask a friend via any means of communication You have : "Hi, what's on top of this page, they have some stupid security questions...", and remember for later.
On the other hand just changing the Alt-text should be easy enough.
Sure, put your phone number here, perhaps you'll gain some friends :)
1) Ask a friend via
any means of communication You have (...)
2) i'd recommend the real-life friends but whatever makes Your day.
Either way we're getting off-topic.
I agree that verification-questions when creating first ~5post can be a little nuisance but i strongly oppose that they
Quote from: Scalare on September 09, 2016, 08:30:48 AM
(...) effectively restrict visually impaired people from posting on these forums :).
or non-english speakers.
No they do not.
Non-english speakers have google translate and google search.
visually impaired people either have more or less complex software (which You mentioned) that helps them or family/friends/colleagues/people who support them to provide help when it's needed.
I don't know if there is still need for this verification questions (probbably yes), or wether some other system can be implemented (or why not).
But I'd like to ask wether You base that opinion on Your experience (if yes, how did You bypassed this effective restriction - since it might help to develop some solution that would not compromise whole idea of verification questions) or Your friends.
Quote from: gadjung on September 10, 2016, 03:40:17 PM
1) Ask a friend via any means of communication You have (...)
2) i'd recommend the real-life friends but whatever makes Your day.
Either way we're getting off-topic.
I agree that verification-questions when creating first ~5post can be a little nuisance but i strongly oppose that they
Quote from: Scalare on September 09, 2016, 08:30:48 AM
(...) effectively restrict visually impaired people from posting on these forums :).
or non-english speakers.
No they do not.
Non-english speakers have google translate and google search.
visually impaired people either have more or less complex software (which You mentioned) that helps them or family/friends/colleagues/people who support them to provide help when it's needed.
I don't know if there is still need for this verification questions (probbably yes), or wether some other system can be implemented (or why not).
But I'd like to ask wether You base that opinion on Your experience (if yes, how did You bypassed this effective restriction - since it might help to develop some solution that would not compromise whole idea of verification questions) or Your friends.
I wasn't talking about what I think is restricting visually impaired people, I was talking about what the WCAG guidelines say about when visually impaired people are being restricted.
to be honest (and without wanting to be mean!): I can't imagine visually impaired people will be playing this game. I'm pretty sure that will not be fun. and fun is the reason why you play games.
if I'd be visually impaired more than I am (I'm wearing glasses. THICK glasses. see my profile pic) and unable to read text on the screen, then I'd rely on pen-and-paper RPG. reminds me of doing that again in the near future ... I'm missing my DnD party.
I had the "You cool a room with an air _ _ _ _ _ _ _ " verification question. A previous question had had an answer that matched the number of underscores, so I thought that this would be a seven-letter word. Anyway, these were the responses I tried, none of which appeared to be the correct response: coolant, cooler, conditioner.
So I still don't know what the answer is and I'm a native English speaker.
It is "conditioner" (see the 1st page of this thread). Maybe you spelled it wrong?
Quote from: Scalare on September 09, 2016, 06:54:18 AM
Why don't we just put all the answers in a sticky in this forum? It's for bot detection but no bot is smart enough to link the 2 together.
Some spam is posted by humans who solve captchas. If a human sees a sticky thread with this, he could report it to a spammer who can program.
Quote from: milon on April 03, 2017, 08:11:15 AM
It is "conditioner" (see the 1st page of this thread). Maybe you spelled it wrong?
Hmm, perhaps the correct answer in the system has a capital letter at the start, or something like an erroneous space at the end? There is always a
remote possibility I made a spelling error...
I was going to post a thread in the Off-Topic forum to find out the correct answer to the question, but did a search and found this thread. If two people are creating threads about a human verification captcha question then maybe there is an issue with the question - perhaps it sets the bar too high!
Quote from: The Man with No Name on April 03, 2017, 11:43:30 AM
Quote from: milon on April 03, 2017, 08:11:15 AM
It is "conditioner" (see the 1st page of this thread). Maybe you spelled it wrong?
Hmm, perhaps the correct answer in the system has a capital letter at the start, or something like an erroneous space at the end? There is always a remote possibility I made a spelling error...
I was going to post a thread in the Off-Topic forum to find out the correct answer to the question, but did a search and found this thread. If two people are creating threads about a human verification captcha question then maybe there is an issue with the question - perhaps it sets the bar too high!
I think the bar is probably better set a bit high with a few threads complaining, rather than the mass of crap/spam you get with the bar lower.
The other possibility is that... the captcha question has uncovered that I'm actually a robot.
"You're in a desert, walking along in the sand, when all of a sudden you look down and see a tortoise..."
Quote from: The Man with No Name on April 03, 2017, 12:59:07 PM
The other possibility is that... the captcha question has uncovered that I'm actually a robot.
"You're in a desert, walking along in the sand, when all of a sudden you look down and see a tortoise..."
dun Dun DUN!
Yes honestly i have no idea why these questions are even necessary. On a forum for a toxic, extremely large player base, perhaps with a younger playerbase aswell, in a game like fortnite or league of legends? You'd have a reason to have this many verification questions.
In a game with a small a community as rimworld...that is generally played by a more mature audience....just what bots are these questions defending against? If nothing else, its scaring people away from using these forums. I only just joined today to report some bugs to a mod author that doesnt upload on the steam workshop...and i can safely say i wont be using this forum after today for anything other than that. Furthermore, some of the questions are rather bad all things considered "When you bleed what comes out of you?" What if i was squeamish about blood? Other questions also assume people have heard of star wars, which let me tell you, there are people out there that dont have a clue what star wars is. i'm serious.
The funny thing is that someone actually took the time to add in these security questions. I've used this forum template before, a lot of forums use this template, and this is the first time ive seen a security question outside of account recovery. The games community simply isnt anywhere big enough to warrant this, especially when most people will be using the steam forums instead.
This is absolutely ridiculous and i have to say i've lost a little respect for the devs for how little trust they have for us, and for how much they're wasting my time.
Quote from: 14m1337 on September 12, 2016, 03:41:06 PM
to be honest (and without wanting to be mean!): I can't imagine visually impaired people will be playing this game. I'm pretty sure that will not be fun. and fun is the reason why you play games.
if I'd be visually impaired more than I am (I'm wearing glasses. THICK glasses. see my profile pic) and unable to read text on the screen, then I'd rely on pen-and-paper RPG. reminds me of doing that again in the near future ... I'm missing my DnD party.
Many people play regardless of disability or age, no matter how much it might restrict them. Just recently i saw a video on twitch where some guy MISSING AN ARM beat a game in apex legends, a first person shooter. Hearing impaired people play games all the time, why do you think subtitles are an option? Colourblind people too, evident by the colourbind options. Why is it such a stretch to believe that a person with "bad" eyesight would be playing a game with low res cell shaded graphics like rimworld? My point is that if people want to play bad enough, nothing will stop them from doing so. You cant simply say "Oh well no many people like this will play this game"...So what about those that DO play the game? Are they just to be ignored, despite being customers after having paid for the game?
No offense bros but it's pretty obvious that we all know what an air conditioner is
Quote from: Ven on April 27, 2019, 03:05:31 AM
Yes honestly i have no idea why these questions are even necessary. On a forum for a toxic, extremely large player base, perhaps with a younger playerbase aswell, in a game like fortnite or league of legends? You'd have a reason to have this many verification questions.
In a game with a small a community as rimworld...that is generally played by a more mature audience....just what bots are these questions defending against? If nothing else, its scaring people away from using these forums. I only just joined today to report some bugs to a mod author that doesnt upload on the steam workshop...and i can safely say i wont be using this forum after today for anything other than that. Furthermore, some of the questions are rather bad all things considered "When you bleed what comes out of you?" What if i was squeamish about blood? Other questions also assume people have heard of star wars, which let me tell you, there are people out there that dont have a clue what star wars is. i'm serious.
The funny thing is that someone actually took the time to add in these security questions. I've used this forum template before, a lot of forums use this template, and this is the first time ive seen a security question outside of account recovery. The games community simply isnt anywhere big enough to warrant this, especially when most people will be using the steam forums instead.
This is absolutely ridiculous and i have to say i've lost a little respect for the devs for how little trust they have for us, and for how much they're wasting my time.
Quote from: 14m1337 on September 12, 2016, 03:41:06 PM
to be honest (and without wanting to be mean!): I can't imagine visually impaired people will be playing this game. I'm pretty sure that will not be fun. and fun is the reason why you play games.
if I'd be visually impaired more than I am (I'm wearing glasses. THICK glasses. see my profile pic) and unable to read text on the screen, then I'd rely on pen-and-paper RPG. reminds me of doing that again in the near future ... I'm missing my DnD party.
Many people play regardless of disability or age, no matter how much it might restrict them. Just recently i saw a video on twitch where some guy MISSING AN ARM beat a game in apex legends, a first person shooter. Hearing impaired people play games all the time, why do you think subtitles are an option? Colourblind people too, evident by the colourbind options. Why is it such a stretch to believe that a person with "bad" eyesight would be playing a game with low res cell shaded graphics like rimworld? My point is that if people want to play bad enough, nothing will stop them from doing so. You cant simply say "Oh well no many people like this will play this game"...So what about those that DO play the game? Are they just to be ignored, despite being customers after having paid for the game?
I don't think it has as much to do with toxic humans as it does spam bots. A couple slip through every now and then and start littering spam posts all about the place.