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Description:
A RimWorld of Magic aims to increase the diversity of combat in RimWorld by providing players, and AI, with abilities that change the outcome of a battle.  With cosmic horrors, abominations, roving bands of cutthroat pirates, and interstellar apocalypse robots lurking around every corner, your colonists might just need a bit of magic to get through the day!

This mod currently adds 11 unique magic classes: The Fire mage, Ice mage, Lightning mage, and Arcane mage, Paladin, Summoner, Druid, Necromancer, Warlock/Succubus, Bard and Priest.
The mod also includes 6 unique combat classes: The Gladiator, Sniper, Ranger, Faceless, Psionic and Bladedancer.

Most skills are independent of weapons and can be used as long as the pawn has sufficient mana (or stamina).  Physical fighters, like the Gladiator, receive damage bonuses depending on the quality of their weapon, some of these skills can be used without a weapon while others cannot.  Each tree specializes in a specific area, with each line providing a variety of buffs, debuffs, attacks, and utility.

All magic abilities require mana that will slowly regenerate, but can also be rapidly replenished with mana potions. Mana potions are very addictive and also require talented crafters and a large variety of ingredients, so they can be quite hard to come by, but can help out in a pinch when you just need another spell or two.
Combat abilities require stamina to perform.  These skills are generally less "costly" and can be used more frequently than magic spells, but are typically less spectacular.

Specially marked pawns (possessing the "Magically gifted" trait) may attune themselves to an elemental tree by reading arcane scripts. These scripts are costly, but can be found being sold by the occasional exotic goods trader. Two events are included that will provide unique, challenging ways to acquire arcane components.  Pawns with natural physical capabilities can learn different combat forms to increase their proficiency in combat.
Pawns may only attune to a single element or combat style, once attuned, the "gifted" or "physical prodigy" trait disappears and the pawn will refuse to learn another element or combat style.

Release Notes:

Mages can be hard to come by, requiring some luck and considerable expense to acquire.  Pawns with the basic traits (physical adept, magically gifted) can be promoted to an advanced trait by using an arcane script.  Pawns possessing advanced traits are much less common.  Arcane books and mana potions are appropriately expensive, but if you opt for torn scripts it can be less costly.
In addition, mana is a valuable resource, where a player must choose the correct time and place to use abilities.
Most abilities have an inherent randomness - while not necessarily a chance for backlash, it's still a mystical power and doesn't always behave as expected.

Ability Details:

Fire
Fire tree grants deadly area affect attacks, but can be unpredictable and difficult to hit with. It also has a tendency to fires!

Fireball - massive, long range, slow moving explosive that devastates a large area
Firebolt - launches a single bolt of mage fire at the target, likely to set the target on fire
Fireclaw - generates a wave of fire that expands as it extends
Ray of Hope - generates a small mood improvement and increased work productivity
Master Spell: Firestorm - fiery rain of death and destruction, can only be learned from a master spell scroll

Learn-able spells:
Dry Ground: dries up mud, marsh and shallow water to usable soil

Ice
Ice, though not directly powerful, is useful by decreasing the enemies ability to move and fight with debilitating side effects, and is the perfect element when backed by more conventional fighters.

Snowball - launch a ball of compacted snow and ice that shatters, causing damage and movement debuffs
Icebolt - single target shard of ice that shatters on impact, causing massive bleeding and frostbite
Frost Ray - beam of super cooled particles that damages and freezes targets, rendering them nearly immobile
Soothe - buff that calms and concentrates pawns
Rainmaker - as simple as it sounds, this spell can cause atmospheric conditions to change, making it rain
Master Spell: Blizzard - summon a mighty blizzard to bury your foes in snow and ice

Learn-able spells:
Moisturize ground: infuses sand with nutrients and water to produce usable soil

Lightning
Lightning generates dangerous weather conditions, whether its a lightning storm that strikes friends and foes alike in a target area, or a deadly cloud of electricity that stuns and damages all within. Even more random than fire, though not quite as direct.

Lightning storm - summons a lightning storm (near) the target location where lightning bolts randomly and rapidly strike any unlucky enough to be in the storm
Lightning cloud - creates a large cloud that has a chance to stun and slightly damage any inside the cloud
Lightning bolt - single target bolt of lighting that strikes the target
AMP - Buff that energizes colonists, allowing them to work faster, longer, and harder than before. Rapidly causes fatigue

Learn-able spells:
Charge Battery - converts magical energy to electrical energy and stores it in a battery

Arcane
Arcane is the master of movement and utility. Abilities within this tree will provide an edge on positioning and controlling the battlefield just as well as easing the burden of mundane tasks.

Blink - instantly moves the caster pawn to a distant location
Summon - can be used to summon both pawns (friend, foe, and animals alike) and objects to the caster from distant locations
Mass Teleport - creates a portal that allows rapid movement across the world at the cost of mana alone. Does not have the range as the common transport pod, but is powered by the arcane and is not as limited to the same physical restraints of space and weight
Shadow - a shadowy assistant that augments every day tasks for colonists, however, it creates a creepy sensation, like you're always being watched!

Holy
The Paladin wields an assortment of combat and support abilities and is a diverse front-line fighter.

Heal - Quickly mends the wounds of allies but will not cure disease or illness.
Shield - Self only, short term shield that prevents damage without preventing combat capability.
Valiant Charge - The Paladin launches into combat with the wings of an angel and lands with earth shattering force.
Overwhelm - Invokes a holy image that overwhelms the senses of any nearby creature.

Combat Class: Gladiator
The Gladiator is a stamina based melee fighter that thrives in the thick of combat.

Sprint - Increases movement speed for a short time.
Fortitude - Persistent, self buff that mitigates a set amount of damage from each blow and converts it to stamina.
Grappling Hook - Yanks an opponent in and performs a combo attack that knocks the opponent down.
Cleave - Based largely on Jecrell's Cleave from his Werewolf mod, performs a melee strike on an enemy and any other opponents nearby - damage is based on weapon quality.
Whirlwind - The Gladiator hurls forward in a flurry of attacks, striking ruthlessly and rapidly.

Summoner
The summoner fills the role of strategic defense of the colony, able to summon a myriad of magical defenses and creatures.

Summon Minion - summons an otherworldly creature that can help with basic labor and will even fight (but don't trust them too far)
Summon Pylon - creates a defensive turret that harnesses the flow of arcane energy to send bursts of power at any oncoming foes
Summon Mana Mine - creates a land mine out of compressed mana to reinforce chockepoints
Summon Elemental - summons a deadly elemental that defends its master; the type of elemental is random between 4 different elements, each with unique traits

Druid
The druid is primarily a support class focused on the health and wellness of the colonists, but also has several unique ways to assist in a fight.

Poison - manipulates biological matter to create a toxin that attacks through the bloodstream, the more the target moves, the faster the toxin works.
Beguile Animal - A dual purposed spell that can command animals into an enraged state, or calm them back into pacificity
Regeneration - heals a target over time, not as direct as the paladin's heal, but can restore even the most severe injuries given enough time
Cure Disease - the druid is able to harness command over nature to stall or even remove diseases from the body; only affects natural diseases and has no control over mechanite diseases
Master Spell: Regrow Limb - the druid is able to perform a complex operation that can regrow extremities

Combat class: Sniper
The sniper is a master of long range, small arms combat - possessing a range of precision abilities that exploits enemy weaknesses

Sniper Training - through skill, dedication, and training the sniper is able to passively increase ranged combat skill
Headshot (vital shot) - targets an enemy weak point with the intent to deliver a lethal strike to a vital organ on the target (will target other detected weak points if the "head" isn't a weakpoint)
Disabling shot - non lethal shot that knocks down an enemy temporarily, can also includes a tranquilizer for longer term sedation
Anti-Armor shot - anti armor rounds containing nanites that destroy armor, very effective against armored enemies, not so effective against everything else.  Can be combined with explosive tips for more wide spread damage to armored targets

Combat class: Bladedancer
Through dedicated training, the bladedancer excels at rapid hit and run tactics, but lags in a sustained fight.

Body training - Physical training allows the bladedancer to improve movement and dodge chance as an enduring, passive buff
Blade training - Training in their art, the bladedancer increases lethality with melee weapons
Blade Spin - delivers a rapid swing around the bladedancer, striking all nearby enemies - damage improves with weapon quality and pawn fitness levels
Seismic Slash - launch an attack that creates rips in the fabric of reality along an attack vector
Phase Strike - Using mastery over body and blade, the bladedancer cuts through reality to appear at a distant location, instantly striking all targets around the exit point

Necromancer
Necromancers prefer to create an army of undead to accomplish their tasks, focusing their skills on the manipulation and destruction of corpses.

Raise undead - raises dead pawns or animals to do their bidding; undead lose many of the traits that made them unique, but gain peculiar strengths that allow them disregard any needs they had while living while also slowly regenerating injuries
Fog of torment - creates a deadly cloud that causes severe pain and likely death for any living that remain inside the fog; undead are healed by the fog
Death Mark - a powerful spell that can turn any living creature into an undead to serve the necromancer; difficult to master and frequently resisted but the effects pay off when successful
Corpse Explosion - mixing arcane power and biological chemicals inside of an undead or a corpse, the necromancer can cause the corpse to explode after a brief period

Priest
support class that excels at improving the health of colonists

Advanced Heal - similar to the Paladin's heal, except it can be leveled higher and is more potent.  Points invested in Advanced Heal also apply to Heal, if the Priest acquires the Heal spell through a scroll.
Purify - Cleanses many deep seated injuries and natural human conditions.  It also has the power to help reduce or remove addiction withdrawals.
Healing Circle - creates a temporary circle that generates waves of healing power.
Bestow Might - Powerful, single target buff that enhances many combat related attributes.
Resurrection (master) - revives a recently deceased pawn.  Effects are similar to resurrection serum but, through skill improvements, the likelihood of resurrection sickness effects can be reduced.

Combat class: Ranger
The Ranger is a versatile class; able to form a bond with an animal and readily faces the many hardships of RimWorld.
Abilities:
Ranger Training - surviving in the wilds can teach the ranger many useful skills
Bow Mastery - training with the bow increases the overall lethality when using bows
Poison Trap - using skills learned in fieldcraft, the ranger can emplace traps filled with druidic poison to impare and disuade enemies.  The ranger's skill at emplacing these traps puts mechanical sensors to shame.
Animal Bond - forms a bond with an animal of the wild that benefits both ranger and beast
Arrow Storm - launches a volley of arrows at a target, but cannot be used without a bow

Combat class: Faceless
Faceless excel at manipulation, perception, and deception; through their cunning tactics, they can take the strength of another and make it their own.
Abilities:
Deception - exploiting knowledge of how the pawn mind perceives things, the faceless are able to blend into the canopy, becoming just another harmless object to an observer - making themselves all but invisible. Performing hostile actions will break the deception.
Mimic - creates an imitation of a fighter or mage skill; can be used on enemy or friendly pawns alike to acquire a one-time-use ability.
Reversal - reverses the kinetic energy of projectile and melee attacks back towards the attacker for a short time
Transpose - the faceless takes the place of another pawn and forces the other pawn to take its place
Possess - confuses and causes doubt in the mind of a target pawn to gain (limited) control over their body; possession can also be used to enhance the physical capability of a willing host

Warlock/Succubus
The Warlock and Succubus are two sides to the same coin and they gain their power through a partial transformation using demon blood.  Males will become warlocks and gain powerful telekinetic and psychic powers, while females will become succubi and gain increased control over physical energy (this is not lore based, but selected for simplicity in the mod).  Some powers are shared between the two, while others are unique.

Soul Bond (shared) - At the core of the class, demon-kin gain their power through contracts and can boost their stats through this bond, in exchange, the bonded pawn loses stats, but gains an improved outlook as some of their concerns are also stripped away (mood boost).
Shadow Call (shared, requires a soul bond) - immediately summons the bonded pawn to the demonkin
Shadow Step (shared, requires a soul bond) - the demonkin immediately travels to the bonded pawn
Shadow Bolt (shared) - fires a bolt wreathed in darkness that decays everything it touches
Dominate (shared) - clouds a targets mind in fear which can easily spread to other pawns; dominate takes different forms of attack - the succubus dominate causes extreme physical frailty while the warlock reduces consciousness and can inflict status ailments
Attraction (Succubus) - creates a whirlpool of darkness that draws any nearby pawn into the center and slows their movement
Repulsion (Warlock) - blasts all nearby pawns outward from the epicenter, as if struck by a massive force
Scorn (master, Succubus) - the succubus briefly transforms into a demoness, gaining the power of flight to travel across the map and unleash her wrath in a blast of energy
Psychic Shock (master, Warlock) - a warlock releases a devastating wave of psychic energy that rebounds from the mind of every pawn it touches; any enemy pawns caught in this shockwave can suffer brain damage and all pawns are briefly stunned

In addition, the warlock and succubus shared a powerful, hidden ability that requires interaction from both classes to cast.
Due to their method of gaining power, both the warlock and succubus are afflicted by quirks.

Combat class: Psionic
The psionic is a combat class that also has an aptitude for psychic sensitivity and must have above normal sensitivity to become a psionic; however, psionics gain an additional reserve of energy and can combine physical attacks with psionic energy for tremendous results.
Abilities:
Psionic Blast - harnessing raw psionic energy, the psionic projects a small wave of psionic power that detonates on impact
Psionic Dash - by loading their muscles with psionic energy, the psionic can dash a short distance in a flash with each step releasing a wave of power
Psionic Barrier - creates a barrier around the psionic that stops all projectiles; training in this skill allows the psionic to create this barrier at a chosen location
Psionic Storm - expends all reserves of psionic energy to rain down a storm of psionic blasts on a target area

In addition to their considerable abilities, the psionic is able to augment all physical activity with psionic power.  This allows a psionic to move or work at boosted speeds for short periods, and increases combat effectiveness, especially when unarmed.

To balance some of the benefit class abilities will grant your colony, raider mages can also cast spells, adding new challenges and dangers to RimWorld.

There are several stand-alone spells that can also be learned by any trained mage, though they remain at their base ability. Once the scroll is acquired to learn it, these spells currently include:
Rain, Blink, Teleport, Heal, Draw Heat, Dispel Heat, Smoke Cloud, Extinguish, EMP, Summon Minion, Siphon mana, Transfer mana, Mana shield

The mod comes with several options that allow several variables to be adjusted to match your playstyle.

Author/Mod Team/Contributors
Torann
DrMrEd - Elemental Art
SihvMan - writable scrolls and books
Draegon - Wand Art
Diannetea - Poppi Art
Angry Wizard - UI Icons

Special thanks:
Jecrell, roxxploxx, henk, rainyface, unlimitedhugs, Toketsu, ChJees, Mehni, HarryD, Canute

Download:
http://www.moddb.com/mods/tmagic
Steam Workshop

How to install:
- Unzip the contents and place them in your RimWorld/Mods folder.
- Activate the mod in the mod menu in the game.
- Mod load order: Core -> HugsLib -> JecsTools -> A RimWorld of Magic

HugsLib and JecsTools are required to run this mod.
JecsTools: https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=32868
HugsLib: https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=28066

License
If you want to include "A RimWorld of Magic" in a modpack, or if you want to use "A RimWorld of Magic" as the basis of a derivative mod, feel free to do so.  I only ask that you let me know you're doing so!

Does this require a new save?

It does not, you can add this to an existing game with no issues.

You will have trouble removing it from a game if items or traits associated with the mod are present within the world.

...I am going to need you modders to stop making awesome mods because my computer can't handle ten million mods on it.

Just remove all these weapons mods, you got magic now ! :-)

i can't help but give some ideas (even if i am sure you already thought of some of those but i might give you some nice ideas).

FIRE : (heat resistance bonus)
_meteor shower (lots of little flame projectile falling from the sky in a large area)
_volcano (little pool of lava that throw random fire projectiles and leave a little see of lava(flames?) spreading in a random direction before cooling and becoming some granite floor or other stone floor.)
_ring of fire (harmless fire ring, decent aoe. will keep anyone standing in it warm)

ICE: (cold resistance bonus)
_ice wall (little ice wall to temporary hide)
_absolute ice block (a one block ice that can refrigerate a room for some time)
_"let it go!" (transform water into ice to step on it OR summon a snow storm)

THUNDER: (move speed bonus)
_thunderbolt (named firebolt irl) (a slow moving lightning bolt that will attack all near foes (and friends/animals?))
_overcharge (charge up batteries)
_speed boost (in case your AMP does boost movement speed)

ARCANE: (intelligence bonus)
_meteor (teleport a distant meteor from far away to strike the designated area. it will have random ore with it like the falling meteor event)
_arcane bolt storm (launch sevral little explosive arcane bolts on the target. precision is not perfect and all bolts may not neccessarly land directly on the target)
_force push (paint walls red by throwing your ennemies onto them or drown them by sending them right into the sea (populous 3 feeling ^^))

HOLY: (sociability bonus)
_resurect the dead (resurect a dead colonist, animal, raider or traveler)
_blind (temporary blind the target)
_mind at peace (change man hunter animals into peacefull ones. stop mental breaks)

NATURE: (agriculture bonus)
_abnormal growth (culture, trees and plants will grow quicker for some time in the designated area no matter the land and season)
_bind (magical roots will restrict the target movements for some times)
_wrath of nature (temporarly transform trees into ents to kill your foes. can be use to move trees around the map as ent (their health will depend on the trees maturity they came from) will retransform to trees again at their current location. to prevent too much work all trees that were ents before will become a new type of tree will magical residue. those trees maturity will depend on the ent remaining health )
_thorn (launch a poisoned thorn toward the target. may also cause bleeding)
_nature domination (magical roots which will severly damage any man made structure in the targeted area)
_meal enchanting (the food in the designated area will give a mood bonus (and stats?) upon consumption)
_animal talking (targeted animal will be easier to tame)

DEATH: (sociability malus, medecine malus, will not have mood malus from not having light)
_plague (plague the targete life form. the plague will slowly kill the target if not treated and can contaminate nearby life form. plague may also target raw food that would spread other nearby raw food.
_death ray (kill the target. mood malus for the caster)
_raise the dead (temporary raise friendly zombies from corpse (any dead life form like animals and humans. but wont work on mechanoids) in the targeted area. they will 'die' again after a while)
_corruption (corrupt the targeted area to kill any trees and plants)
_mind torture (release a bolt of shadow toward the target that will torture its mind and sould leading to a great amount of pain and may cause a mental break)
_life drain (drain the hp of the target, healing yourself and killing it)
_fear (all foes an animals will flee of terror from you. aoe centered on the caster)

I love all the idea's!
I've been keeping a log of every idea that seems reasonable to implement and I'll be adding these to the list.

I can tell you that some of these are already in the works - meteor storm and blizzard are being developed along with a common class that will create falling objects.  Once I get the draw rate and textures right, these two will show up as "master spells" for their respective class lines.  B18 updated the drop pod utility to something called skyfaller, but once this class is complete this will open up the a new line of spells that have things falling from the sky.

I'm also developing some more utility spells, all of which were idea contributions by henk, that will add temporary heat/cold sources, charge batteries, and can convert small patches of ground from march/mud to usable soil.  So that's what's in the immediate works.

Several of the curses you mention, like blind and fear, are already in the game, though they are byproducts of other spells.  For example, fireball upgraded for versatility will have the ability to case targets to flee in panic, while the paladin can blind enemies when they are struck by overwhelm, and the Arcanist spell, magic missile (which sounds a lot like arcane bolt storm, except they don't explode), will cause a very brief confusion state.

Thanks for the great idea's and feedback, keep 'em coming!

First of all, i love you. Second of all, yes in the creepy way :p. But for real, does this conflict with the Star-Wars Jedi mod? And, its sounds like a Avatar inspired mod, are you going to imply that aswell? Or let someone do that?

No conflicts with any of Jecrell's mods that I know of, I've tested it with the star wars, cthulu, vampire and werewolf mods.  So I guess you can have a magic wielding vampire sith if you want. (I certainly do  :D)

invocating a tornado can be a good master spell for THUNDER magic.
plus since tornadoes are already a thing in B18 version it should be simple to add.

a mass health and armor buff for NATURE magic.(like some roots protecting all colons and friendly animals and people).

for ARCANE i could see a 'you shall not pass' like spell that would heavily damage all foes around the caster and push all of them far away. (with a 'you shall not pass!' text above the caster's head *.*).
also a portal spell that link permanently 2 gates to each other could be really nice (only one per map tho. using the spell another time would cancel the 2 previous gates)

maybe a mind control for DEATH magic taking full control other one or more friendly and foes (and maybe animals) for some time.

for HOLY maybe some holy divine light that would burn the ground just like the new ion orbital stike from B18 version.
some spell that would force one or many foes to drop their weapons could be an original addition. but it might bug with mechanoids since they are not able to drop their weapons on death..

Any idea why every single item from this mod is a giant red X for me?

i just thought of something cool for DEATH magic. a curse that would create a parasite inside the targeted body. upon death the parasite will be released from the dead body as one or several hostile giant insects (megaspider, megascarab or spelopedes) (alien feel :3)

Quote from: akinata on November 25, 2017, 11:35:14 PM
i just thought of something cool for DEATH magic. a curse that would create a parasite inside the targeted body. upon death the parasite will be released from the dead body as one or several hostile giant insects (megaspider, megascarab or spelopedes) (alien feel :3)

(Aliens vs Predator intensifies)

I wouldn't mind seeing this. One example way of balancing it is to make it say half a day to come out, but take up ALL the mana that person has.

Quote from: Lucifer on November 25, 2017, 08:55:30 PM
Any idea why every single item from this mod is a giant red X for me?

giant red x mean a missing grafic/texture.
Try to delete the old modfolder , download and unzip/copy them again.
Or with steam unsubscribe and resubscribe.
And check if this helps.

If you still got the problem after it, you should attach an error log.

I just figured I'd throw my shortlist of immediate wonderings/concerns/suggestions since I'm definitely going to run this mod now.

Maybe split the trait into three: Thaumaturge(Master, Strong Master), Wizard(Adept, Skilled Practitioner)  Prestigitator(Novice, Barely heard of it.)

• Have mana pools/successful casts/accuracy depends on the trait that you get on the pawn. Wizard would ideally work just like the current trait does, Thaumaturge could have more mana and some perk for casting, Prestigitator would see a lot of drawbacks to using magic very often perhaps.

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• Maybe a way to grow reagents for producing jury-rigged mana phials (steep cost, 200x Jade, 60x Gold, 40x Plant_Matter) and optionally human flesh(meat, leather)

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• Catalysts like staves, spellcaster's garb/gloves, hand-held orbs or jewelry that increases the potency or success chance of the spell.

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• An altar furniture piece that would ideally fit in a laboratory or workshop for your wizards to passively, but at a very low rate, increase their experience in their field of magic and regain some mana by studying ancient scripts or another modded lore item.

it is fun to have all spells available per magic school since start so we can test everything out. but it might be better gameplay wise to need to unlock spells by leveling up or with special level up scrolls.

Quote from: Questops on November 26, 2017, 02:03:39 PM
Maybe split the trait into three: Thaumaturge(Master, Strong Master), Wizard(Adept, Skilled Practitioner)  Prestigitator(Novice, Barely heard of it.)

• Have mana pools/successful casts/accuracy depends on the trait that you get on the pawn. Wizard would ideally work just like the current trait does, Thaumaturge could have more mana and some perk for casting, Prestigitator would see a lot of drawbacks to using magic very often perhaps.

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• Maybe a way to grow reagents for producing jury-rigged mana phials (steep cost, 200x Jade, 60x Gold, 40x Plant_Matter) and optionally human flesh(meat, leather)

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• Catalysts like staves, spellcaster's garb/gloves, hand-held orbs or jewelry that increases the potency or success chance of the spell.

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• An altar furniture piece that would ideally fit in a laboratory or workshop for your wizards to passively, but at a very low rate, increase their experience in their field of magic and regain some mana by studying ancient scripts or another modded lore item.

I like the idea of skill variation, it was a part of the original design, but never really got implemented because I've struggled with a good way to put it in.  Right now everything, except the initial buffs, has a 100% success rate.  Do you envision the tiered traits originating from the same base trait? (probably too easy to save/load to get what you want?)  Or maybe several base traits that would advance to a respective full mage trait?

It's probably too far outside the scope to make multiple tiers of mages for each skill line, ie master fire mage, adept fire mage, novice fire mage, especially if it varies the spell behavior.  This has a way to blow up real quickly...
It might be in the realm of possible to make several global skills available to different trait levels, and/or some of the spells only available to higher tiers.  Alternatively, I could introduce a spell success chance across all spells that could cause the spell to fizzle or, less likely, backfire.  This could be tied to a global skill that would reduce the chance for spell failure.

As far as catalysts - I think if I did this, it would be a lot like the "infused" mod, that adds a unique property to items, instead of being a new item itself.  Thoughts?

I'll consider something like an arcane study/altar/lab etc.  I think this would include added functionality for jobdrivers, thoughts, etc in the game to allow a pawn to 'use' the furniture, not really familiar with those modules so not quite sure what the overhead would be.

Appreciate the feedback!

*New Update: B18_v1.1**

Stamina based fighter functionality is fully implemented.  This allows the mod to support a wider variety of classes.  Stamina users are able to execute their skills quickly, more frequently, and will regain stamina more rapidly.  However, the overall effectiveness of their skills is intended to be comparatively less than a magic user. 

The Gladiator class takes the spot as the first class to use stamina and has a variety of skills that will enhance melee combat; see the main post for gladiator skill details.

Let me know any idea's for melee classes or skills you'd like to see!

For the time being, I'll be transitioning to adding global utility spells, support spells, master spells and master spell quest lines.  By "global," I mean that these spells will be learn-able by a mage and will add to the spells learned by default.  Some will be unique to specific class lines, others will be available to all class lines.

Interesting mod, but with a large colony and multiple "mages". Its hard to micro manage, any chance we will see a auto combat? Using the spells like it was a normal equipped weapon. Perhaps with a "do not use" setting etc.

regards.

Hey I've noticed with the newest version that when I load into my colony all of the points I have put into my mages are not there anymore. The highest lvl is 8 and he has 4 points spent and 2 remaining. One of them I'm 100% sure that I used up all of their points before I went to bed last night and now he doesn't have any points or points spent. I'm not getting any errors or anything.

With the newest version, I received the Divine Script: Paladin scroll as a reward for a quest. Haven't used it yet but it has -1/1000 hitpoints and wasn't left outside to deteriorate or anything. It's also sellable for $0.01. Is this a glitch or something?

Quote from: Torann on November 26, 2017, 09:57:29 PM

I like the idea of skill variation, it was a part of the original design, but never really got implemented because I've struggled with a good way to put it in.  Right now everything, except the initial buffs, has a 100% success rate.  Do you envision the tiered traits originating from the same base trait? (probably too easy to save/load to get what you want?)  Or maybe several base traits that would advance to a respective full mage trait?

Originally I meant it to be a static point, like a limitation of one's skills that can't be expanded upon but I've been playing around with a lot of JecsTools mods and found a really nice implement of this design in the Force-Sensitivity mod. Basically it tiers up from any starting point and as you gain experience it changes the trait in relativity to your ability to use the force (or in this case, magic)

This happens in the trait order of Force Sensitive(Trees to Sith, Gray or Jedi, for your mod I'm particularly interested in seeing this utilized in terms of Pyromancer, Cryomancer, Clergy/Priest and so-on)

Then you could separate the Trees into the original ranks or inspire your own flavor.

So maybe your base (Able to use magic) trait could be along the lines of "Gifted"

Then you dedicate a trait to the idea of "This person knows 2 Ice spells but this is vastly overshadowed by the fact he knows 6 Fire spells, so he's a pyromancer primarily, but if he learned 5 more Ice spells that could change him to a Cryomancer"

Rank the traits: Prestigitator (1+ point in two or more skills equally, equilibrium class) Wizard (4+ points in two or more skills equally, equilibrium class) then you start banking point over 6+ into certain trees and see new traits form(-mancers stated above) and finally once you've learned all of the skills in one tree you become Master (Pyro/Cryo/Terra)-mancer, for example.

If you plan on letting all the spells be known by a single pawn then you could incorporate an Arch-Mage trait that basically means "I know as much magic as humanly possible."

QuoteIt's probably too far outside the scope to make multiple tiers of mages for each skill line, ie master fire mage, adept fire mage, novice fire mage, especially if it varies the spell behavior.  This has a way to blow up real quickly...
It might be in the realm of possible to make several global skills available to different trait levels, and/or some of the spells only available to higher tiers.  Alternatively, I could introduce a spell success chance across all spells that could cause the spell to fizzle or, less likely, backfire.  This could be tied to a global skill that would reduce the chance for spell failure.

You could even shelf the bonuses of each trait and just have it as an indicator class or flavor text for the user without affecting the abilities of spells and just have that inborn in the mod itself (85% chance of a successful tornado etc, 15% chance it fizzles out and uses half of the dedicated mana required to cast it and maybe add a cooldown)

"Wow my wizard turned into a clergyman, must be because of the healing spells I've been specializing into him."

QuoteAs far as catalysts - I think if I did this, it would be a lot like the "infused" mod, that adds a unique property to items, instead of being a new item itself.  Thoughts?

That's more like it, actually. Maybe just for the sake of the theme later on down the line add Quarterstaves that do roughly the blunt damage of clubs or a spellblade that closely resembles the vanilla stats of the new Ikwa melee?

If you're keen to it you could give pawns that are gifted+ a thoughtdef for wielding an infused weapon:
Powerful- "My <weapon> is letting off pulses of arcana, I feel like I could take a kingdom." +6 to mood
You know, in your own design, something to play around with until more suggestions come in to flesh this out the way you imagine it.

QuoteI'll consider something like an arcane study/altar/lab etc.  I think this would include added functionality for jobdrivers, thoughts, etc in the game to allow a pawn to 'use' the furniture, not really familiar with those modules so not quite sure what the overhead would be.

Time to go knocking down modder's doors. Particularly Jecrell's! He has something similarly applied in his Cults mod for the altar and the forbidden research bench.

Quote from: EligibleFoot on November 28, 2017, 04:04:15 PM
Hey I've noticed with the newest version that when I load into my colony all of the points I have put into my mages are not there anymore. The highest lvl is 8 and he has 4 points spent and 2 remaining. One of them I'm 100% sure that I used up all of their points before I went to bed last night and now he doesn't have any points or points spent. I'm not getting any errors or anything.

I put out a hotfix for this on steam workshop last night and just updated moddb.  The way data sources were being managed changed and I had to adjust this mod to match.  Sorry for the inconvenience.  You should be able to load, but you'll have all mages (gladiator unaffected) reset to 0 for all levels/skills/powers so you'll need to use the dev tools and god mode then access the magic tab to return the missing levels/points.

Quote from: megidoladyne on November 28, 2017, 05:13:08 PM
With the newest version, I received the Divine Script: Paladin scroll as a reward for a quest. Haven't used it yet but it has -1/1000 hitpoints and wasn't left outside to deteriorate or anything. It's also sellable for $0.01. Is this a glitch or something?

Was this the caravan quest or item stash quest?  That's a glitch, I think it has to do with the game logic restricting total amount of value returned in a quest and the books are worth roughly 10000 silver.   I never saw it occur in the caravan quest, but noticed it once or twice in the item stash quest and thought I'd fixed it there.

It was a caravan quest. :-\ Any other info I could give to help out?

Found the issue and it'll be fixed in the next update.  Thanks for the feedback.

QuoteI put out a hotfix for this on steam workshop last night and just updated moddb.  The way data sources were being managed changed and I had to adjust this mod to match.  Sorry for the inconvenience.  You should be able to load, but you'll have all mages (gladiator unaffected) reset to 0 for all levels/skills/powers so you'll need to use the dev tools and god mode then access the magic tab to return the missing levels/points.

Thank you for the quick response! I reloaded my game and it worked. Thanks a ton loving your mod.



*EDIT* I just found another issue. I used the arcane teleportation to rescue one my colonists who lost his arm while traveling. Loading the teleporter worked fine but once the drop pod landed at its destination it did not open.

The behavior of the teleport pod and drop pod are pretty much identical. 

I couldn't reproduce the issue either, with or without several mods I thought might cause a conflict (long range pods, reusable pods, set-up camp).  Does this happen every time?  Do you get any error logs?

Quote
Cannot draw radius ring of radius 80: not enough squares in the precalculated list.
Verse.Log:Error(String)
Verse.GenDraw:DrawRadiusRing(IntVec3, Single)
AbilityUser.HarmonyPatches:TargeterUpdate_PostFix(Targeter)
RimWorld.Targeter:TargeterUpdate_Patch1(Object)
RimWorld.MapInterface:MapInterfaceUpdate()
RimWorld.UIRoot_Play:UIRootUpdate()
Verse.Root:Update_Patch1(Object)
Verse.Root_Play:Update()

When selecting Soothing Breeze I get this error. It's harmless.

Quote from: Torann on November 24, 2017, 11:17:05 PM
Known Bugs:
When using the "run & gun" mod, ability users will freeze indefinitely with a job order to cast a spell

Very nice mod Torann. I´m the author of RunAndGun. Could you please tell me when this happens specifically? I just tested your mod briefly in combination with my mod by throwing some fireballs with RunAndGun enabled and I didn't get this issue. Any info would be appreciated, and will help me upload a compatibility fix. 

@Roolo
I tried re-creating this bug, with weapons, without weapons, with a melee weapon, w/wo run and gun activated, every spell I have etc.  Even tried changing around the mod load order (with about 100 other mods) and I'm not having any issues.  So, I'm very happy to say it doesn't look to be a problem anymore.

Thanks for the follow up, can't wait to test out run&gun now. =)

@Questops
Yeah, this just means you won't see the cast radius/range.  You shouldn't get the message unless you're running dev mode, and it should only generate the warning on the first instance.

Quote from: Torann on November 29, 2017, 06:17:42 PM
I tried re-creating this bug, with weapons, without weapons, with a melee weapon, w/wo run and gun activated, every spell I have etc.  Even tried changing around the mod load order (with about 100 other mods) and I'm not having any issues.  So, I'm very happy to say it doesn't look to be a problem anymore.

Thanks for the follow up, can't wait to test out run&gun now. =)

Thanks for looking into it!

Updated with the "magic is useful" update, adds some combat utility spells, colony utility spells, and master spells.

New spells are:
Dry ground - turns muddy, marshy, or shallow water into usable soil
Moisturize ground - turns sand into usable soil
Charge battery - charges a battery with magical energy
Smoke Cloud - like a smokepop belt, but can be cast anywhere it's needed
EMP - disables mechanoids for a short period
Extinguish - puts out fires in a small area
Dispel heat - small dimensional window into the plane of ice that helps cool rooms for several days
Draw heat -  another dimensional window, except this one is to the plane of fire and can be used to heat rooms and cremate corpses

Many thanks to henk, most of these spells were his idea!

In addition to the utility spells are two master spells: Blizzard (ice mage) and Firestorm (fire mage)

Here's an idea: Sub-classes for each element.

Basically combining two elements to create another thing, although you could go further a d have two elements interact in a certain way. For example: Fire and Ice to make Water, and then Lightning to do extra zapping damage to anyone that is soaked with water, or have a bigger AOE with lightning if enemies are standing on Ice.

I suggest including links to the mod prerequisites in your post for completeness.

this is one of my new fave mods for rimworld , and the potential it has is practically endless. I cant wait till you update your moddb to the new update you mentioned a few posts up, i assume you just forgot to update your download.

QuoteDry ground - turns muddy, marshy, or shallow water into usable soil
Moisturize ground - turns sand into usable soil

What do you think to change this into
Terraform up/down.
Terraform up, change the current tile into one higher step toward soil. Shallow water to muddy/marshy.
While terraform down, change the current tile one step toward deep water.

Moisturize ground should change gravel into soil too, and maybe soil into rich soil.

@blizzardwolf420
You're right, I did forget.  I uploaded to steam workshop but didn't get it on moddb.  It's updated now with v1.2.0

@Canute
Yeah, that's not a bad idea tbh.  With acquiring the spell a step above and beyond normal spells, (and the fact it only terraforms 1 square at a time), I think it's reasonable to expand on the functionality as you suggested.  The only exception/reservation I have is that It will probably stop at shallow water due to the fact that deep water becomes impassable.

a few neat ideas i just had, how bout an ice wall or magic wall for ice mage and arcane mage, like spawning a temp wall or embrasure thats like 1x5 or something.a spell to help plants grow faster and/or make grass and natural things  spawn more to make up for deforestation, a spell to help tame animals  and/or deter them from attacking, Being able to infuse the pawns current weapon temporarily with its magic.
new element classes such as wind and earth , with wind being able to manipulate the weather conditions and wind speed , and earth being able to make rock walls  affect plant life and encase other pawns in stone to stop them temporarily .
a necromancer who can revive dead bodies for a time to fight for you , use dark magic to suck the life from your foes and give it to pawns close to the necromancer, and a weaker version of the revive that make dead bodies grapple onto foes slowing them down.

thats about it so far stay tuned for more good ideas, ill probly be posting alot of ideas.

Quote from: blizzardwolf420 on December 04, 2017, 01:24:34 AM
..earth being able to make rock walls  affect plant life and encase other pawns in stone to stop them temporarily .

I really like this idea of being able to encase enemies for a short period, I'll have to figure out a way to include that.

I haven't had much success yet of being able to modify weapons (ie enchantments) as I'd like, so I'm not sure how that'd work.  I guess I could despawn (store) the current weapon and then create and equip another weapon that had "magical" properties.  Dunno, will have to test some things.

You could give health effects to the pawn which increase combat stats. Or possibly give the pawn a natural weapon - if that's possible.

As for encasing, is it possible to create walls with the tags "deteriorating" and "cannot be repaired"? Otherwise, stunning might work just fine.

Quote from: Torann on December 04, 2017, 02:36:21 PM



I haven't had much success yet of being able to modify weapons (ie enchantments) as I'd like, so I'm not sure how that'd work.  I guess I could despawn (store) the current weapon and then create and equip another weapon that had "magical" properties.  Dunno, will have to test some things.

id say the best way may be to just have a new workbench that you can use existing weps as the ingredient, or maby just add new materials and new weps altogether, I wouldnt mind seeing staves that could act as a gun replacement or even swords that could send a ranged slash as its attack.

I've finally managed to get a colony with several casters by making all starting pawns magically gifted... It's a pretty rare trait, so you're unlikely to see it, even if you use the "More Traits slots" mod, but especially if you use any other mod that adds traits. A few things I've noticed :

Once you have one caster, you get the Arcane Stash event way too often. I just finished one and got two more I'm not even going to do.
Arcane stashes have way too much loot, typically 3 scripts worth several thousands each, in addition to all the regular loot. Even with all the enemies to defeat, that's way too much loot for one event.
Arcane stashes are made somewhat to extremely easier by the fact the enemies will fight each others. If you can find a corner to hide, you can hope the drop podders will weaken the defenders enough for you to finish them.
Arcane stashes have no power conduits, so turrets and lights aren't powered. Even if they did though, they have no power source and the batteries start nearly empty.
My fire mage worked fine at first, but recently lost the capacity to cast spells at range. Spells work only at melee range. I don't know if any of my other mods might interfere.
The game keeps telling me my pawns gain deeper understanding of magic, but it doesn't say what that does.
Some of the high tier spells should definitely cost more mana.
You can cast spells on cooldown if you draft the pawn, order them to move while paused, then chain cast the spell.
Lightning cloud is pretty darn fun.
There needs to be better feedback explaining why spells failed, or even that they failed at all.
Magic missile needs a pew pew sound, not a bang bang sound. That's important.


And some ideas for future versions :
I would like it if arcane scripts were much cheaper, but only came with a single spell. If gaining a deeper understanding of magic is supposed to be leveling up, then new spells could be gained from that.
The mod should come with a custom-made scenario for mages, giving 100% of starting pawns the Magically Gifted trait, a few random scripts (random scripts at startup need to be a thing) and limited resources.
If ever there was a way to remove researches from the base game, I would love if any advanced technology was removed, and leaving the planet was done through some advanced magical portal.
A dedicated healer class would be great, especially if it adds the "incapable of violence" trait.
Maybe class-specific crafting? Flaming swords, healing water, power armor, not-overpowered things.

All in all, pretty amazing mods and updates. Keep us addicted!

Really appreciate the feedback, particularly on the event.  The overall commonality and frequency of things can be hard to judge, especially when you start throwing in other mods.  I'll look at increasing the frequency of the magically gifted trait, In my playthrough I'm at ~4hrs in and only seen 1 pawn with it, and that one was abysmal in every other aspect so basically useless even with the trait.  It's supposed to be rare, probably not this rare.
As for the event, in the same playthrough, I've gotten it only once.  I tried to complete the event, but since I'm also using the star wars mods, it's guarded by 4 at-at's plus a slew of other speeders etc and I got wiped every time.  They were also separated from the village by a mountain range, so there was no avoiding fighting for me. That was fairly early, and I haven't gone back to try again yet.  I'll tweak the frequency (down) for this event and probably lower the amount of loot.  I like the mayhem, but maybe I'll make all the random reinforcements not so random.  I'll look into the defenses.

QuoteMy fire mage worked fine at first, but recently lost the capacity to cast spells at range. Spells work only at melee range. I don't know if any of my other mods might interfere.

I've never seen the issue with the fire mage (or any mage) losing their range... did he/she go blind?  :o

QuoteThe game keeps telling me my pawns gain deeper understanding of magic, but it doesn't say what that does.

The "deeper understanding" message just means you leveled up and have a skillpoint to train for that mage, though I suppose there's no reason not to add in something that says that explicitly.

QuoteThere needs to be better feedback explaining why spells failed, or even that they failed at all.

Yeah, spells will fail if you try to cast them out of range or out of line of sight, and in both cases take your mana to boot.  I'll add this one the list of functions that need to be improved.

QuoteMagic missile needs a pew pew sound, not a bang bang sound. That's important.

Hah.  You might be out of luck though, I'll try to find a generic sound that fits better, but it's probably going to be outside the scope to add custom sounds to the mod.

QuoteI would like it if arcane scripts were much cheaper, but only came with a single spell. If gaining a deeper understanding of magic is supposed to be leveling up, then new spells could be gained from that.

Quite a few people have suggested to change to this behavior.  This would be a fairly minor adjustment to make happen I think, so certainly in the realm of the possible.  However, I'm personally opposed to further restricting access to abilities.  With the skill points, the difference between un-skilled abilities and skilled abilities is pretty big (as you eluded to).  So when starting with all the skills, it gives players the ability to see what each spell does (without any additional investment) and rank the ones that work best for them.  Additionally, it gives players options, which is what the mod is all about.  So while you might have invested in blink with your arcane mage, there might be a scenario where you really just need summon, even if it's not nearly as efficient, but because of the situation (like when you forget it's a full moon and now you have a werewolf in your quarry with 5 other hapless pawns and blink does nothing for you).
The counter argument is that it would only a handful of points anyways.
I'm certainly open to discussion, but I'd like to hear the "why" behind the desire to start with no spells, a single spell, etc.

Jecrell does his mods in this fashion, but I find that either I never even get to see what some abilities do, or I always go for the same abilities first since they're overall more effective.  He also allows leveling of abilities through general work (ie doing research levels up your jedi?)  I fail to see why that would occur, so in this mod you have to use magic (or be overflowing with mana).  So which spell would you start with?  Would it be random?  Would it become a grind to cast fireballs into a mountain so you could level up to get past initial skills?

The priest class is in the design with cure disease/infection, heal scar, heal health, and healing ring (think orbital strike, but good for you!) with resurrect as the master spell.  I actually really like the idea of imposing the "incapable of violence" though!

My favorite spell is a tie between Valiant Charge and Blizzard.  8)

Anyways, long post, but thanks for the feedback and ideas.  I'll keep working to fix the bugs and make the mod better and this kind of stuff definitely helps move in the right direction.

Quote from: Torann on December 06, 2017, 08:07:22 PM
As for the [Arcane Stash] event, in the same playthrough, I've gotten it only once.

I didn't get it once early on, it came quite often after getting a pawn with magic skills. It might just be Randy being Randy, though.

QuoteI tried to complete the event, but since I'm also using the star wars mods, it's guarded by 4 at-at's plus a slew of other speeders etc and I got wiped every time.  They were also separated from the village by a mountain range, so there was no avoiding fighting for me. That was fairly early, and I haven't gone back to try again yet.  I'll tweak the frequency (down) for this event and probably lower the amount of loot.  I like the mayhem, but maybe I'll make all the random reinforcements not so random.  I'll look into the defenses.

The arcane stash event is really challenging and can't be completed without being hugely overpowered, but it's still quite random. Too much randomness isn't doing the event any good.

QuoteI've never seen the issue with the fire mage (or any mage) losing their range... did he/she go blind?  :o

My fire mage is at full health, currently using a melee weapon and... a shield belt.
Spells fail when using a shield belt, event non-combat ones like Ray of Hope. Perhaps they should just be disabled when using a shield belt, to avoid confusion?

QuoteI'm certainly open to discussion, but I'd like to hear the "why" behind the desire to start with no spells, a single spell, etc.

I want scripts to be cheaper. 10,000 silver is not a price most colonies can afford, and it also means they won't likely appear in loot or rewards. Making them weaker by reducing the number of starting spells would be balance for reducing their price.

I could see an event which gives a Magically gifted pawn (or one with a free trait slot?) with extremely high mood a random arcane affinity, or a ritual which does the same, so you don't have to rely on random loot or traders to get your first spells.

QuoteSo which spell would you start with?  Would it be random?  Would it become a grind to cast fireballs into a mountain so you could level up to get past initial skills?

I initially thought you would start with only one spell; or one combat and one non-combat spell. Maybe if non-script ways to gaining affinities were implemented, different methods of gaining affinities would come with different initial loadouts? Or maybe there could be a class like D&D sorcerers which only gains spells randomly.

QuoteAnyways, long post, but thanks for the feedback and ideas.  I'll keep working to fix the bugs and make the mod better and this kind of stuff definitely helps move in the right direction.

Keep on being awesome!

I don't know what causes it but I keep getting this:

Exception ticking Projectile_Teleport(parent=Verse.ThingWithComps at=(-1000, -1000, -1000)): System.ArgumentNullException: Argument cannot be null.
Parameter name: type
  at System.Activator.CheckType (System.Type type) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at System.Activator.CreateInstance (System.Type type, Boolean nonPublic) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at System.Activator.CreateInstance (System.Type type) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at Verse.ThingMaker.MakeThing (Verse.ThingDef def, Verse.ThingDef stuff) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at TorannMagic.Projectile_Teleport.SingleSpawnLoop (AbilityUser.SpawnThings spawnables, IntVec3 position, Verse.Map map) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at TorannMagic.Projectile_Teleport.Impact (Verse.Thing hitThing) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at AbilityUser.Projectile_AbilityBase.ImpactSomething () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at AbilityUser.Projectile_AbilityBase.Tick () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at TorannMagic.Projectile_Teleport.Tick () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at Verse.TickList.Tick () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
Verse.Log:Error(String)
Verse.TickList:Tick()
Verse.TickManager:DoSingleTick()
Verse.TickManager:TickManagerUpdate()
Verse.Game:UpdatePlay()
Verse.Root_Play:Update()


Which my Arcane Wizard cannot do teleport. every class are working perfectly.

Yes, that happens when the teleport spell is cast in an invalid location.  You're in luck though, I just updated the mod and the update includes some exceptions that exit out of the spell rather than generate errors when you attempt to cast on an invalid spot.

Just updated to v1.2.4 - focus of this update was on improving functionality and fixing known bugs:

• Fixed the bug that would leave behind invisible duplicates when using blink, whirlwind, or valiant charge
• Fixed a bug where grapple and whirlwind could instantly kill an enemy from the "knockdown" hediff
• Added exception checking for teleport that will no longer allow you to cast on invalid locations, attempting to do so will still consume mana but will instantly "poof" the teleporter and warn you that the spot is invalid
• Teleport "portfuel" will no longer explode into massive fires
• Expanded the level up message to indicate skill points were gained
• The "Moisturize Ground" spell can now terraform gravel into usable soil (along with sand)
• The "Dry Ground" spell terraforms shallow water to mud/marsh, and mud/marsh into usable soil
• Starting traits "Magically gifted" and "physically adept" chance to be assigned to a new pawn has increased by 150%
• The Arcane Stash event has been temporarily disabled while it's reworked. The event still remains to prevent any errors with existing saves, but the event will no longer trigger at this time.
• Reduced rate that xp was gained from having full mana/stamina by roughly 40%
• Reduced xp gain from stamina ability use by 50%
• Slight increase to skill tree combat spell costs by ~10-20%, utility spells were unchanged
• Added a new event: arcane bandits!

Magic class - Summoner and Combat class - Sniper are next!

Yeeey! :D What I am hoping now is a trait giving scroll for the untalented~ I want my beloved colonist grow from scratch.

I cant keep up with the updates XD

Meanwhile Im still waiting on a gifted pawn, while Orassans wanna trade me their fire scrolls. Come on, I'm terrible at magic!

If you're reworking the arcane stash event, make sure to add a timer.
Also, I think more of the messages that opp up above a pawn's head should appear at the top of the screen instead, to give more time to read them (And make them appear if you use the Archive mod)

Quote from: RyanRim on December 10, 2017, 03:33:44 AM
Meanwhile Im still waiting on a gifted pawn, while Orassans wanna trade me their fire scrolls. Come on, I'm terrible at magic!

If you have other mods that add traits, getting a magically gifted pawn might be rarer.

Maybe in combination with the Cult mod.
Adding a new deity Arcana, which allow to add the proper trait for a human sacrifice.

Fair warning: I have no sense of balance.
Here are some ideas (a good part of them will likely already been thought of):

Factions

- Some neutral mage faction with low colony count, new type of caravan that arrives via Teleport and trades in magical items and artefacts. Can use spells to defend themselves, with 1-3 preferred spells per npc. Those 1-3 spells have a chance of having some skill points.


Events

- Rogue mage raid
A small-scale raid by 1-10 rogue mages, depending on your progress. Rogue mages tend to be apprentices, and therefore cannot use magic efficiently, nor use many spells.
Chance to arrive via Teleport.

- Ether moon
Once in a while, the moon will release mana on the world's surface (only happens during the night), making spells cost 50% less mana for the duration. Lasts until the morning.

- Mana sickness
Illness that lowers consciouness by 10% and mana regeneration by 90%. Casting spells during this have a 40% chance to backfire, and injure the caster. Can only be treated with Heal, each cast has a 10% chance to cure it, or after 10-20 days. Doesn't affect pawns that cannot use magic.


Mental breaks

- Casting spree
Randomly casts any spells available to the pawn, ends when the pawn cannot cast spells anymore due to lack of mana. Pawn may seek mana potions to further cast spells. Doesn't drink more than one potion. Requires the pawn to be influenced by mana potion addiction. May happen even when on high mood.

Traits

- Rhabdophobe (according to google, rhabdophobia is what 'magic phobia' is)
Pawns with this trait will do one of these actions when seeing magic being cast:
Develop a Hide in room mental break, get downed due to shortness of breath, initiate a social fight, or cause the pawn to gain -30% consciouness (nausea). Magically gifted pawns can have this trait. This trait can be cured with (needs some ideas here).

- Rhabdophile
Pawns with this trait will gain a +5 mood buff for 12 hours whenever they see someone casting magic. If the pawn is a mage, they will receive a permanent +20 mood buff.


Spells

- Telepathy (Unnatributed/Scroll)
Utility spell that can be used like a Comms console, but from anywhere and without electricity. Possible to call for backup when raiding enemy bases.

- Lightning speed (Thunder/Scroll)
Increases movement speed by 300% for 10 seconds, gives slight injury to both legs once the effect is over.

- Transmute (Unnatributed/Scroll)
Targetted spell that transmutes a stack of raw metal (steel, plasteel, etc) into silver.

- Meteor (Gravity/Fire/Scroll)
Targetted spell that drops a meteor double the size of the Meteorite event's meteor. has a large miss radius. Will always be some kind of rock, and never ore.

- Calm (Paladin/Scroll)
Spell that calms the target's mind, increasing prisoner recruit chance or animal tame chance, depending on wether it's a prisoner or a wild animal (includes pawns that can be 'tamed' due to mental breaks). No effect on pawns that don't have any of those options.

- Drain (Unnatributed/Scroll)
Drains the target's Mana and adds 50% of the amount drained to yours. Target must be a mage for the effects to work.

- Illusion (Unnatributed/Scroll)
Summons an illusionary monster that you can control. Anyone that sees it gains -10 mood for 12 hours, and enemies will try to kill the illusion on sight, with top priority. The illusion can only move, and not attack. Illusion disappears after 30 seconds or after 'dying'. Stats should be similar to that of a megasloth. The caster is immobile while the illusion is alive.


Mage types

- Chaos
Chaos mages like to gamble with their spells, making it so no one can foresee what will happen upon usage.
Examples of spells:

Controlled chaos shot
Targetted spell that casts any offensive spell on target area.

Chaotic mind
Usable on a pawn under the effects of a mental break. 50% chance to remove the mental break, 50% chance to worsen the effects, turning the break into something more dangerous.

Chaos portal
Summons a trap on target location that teleports anyone who steps on it randomly across the current map. 100% activation rate, be it enemy or player pawns. Portal closes after 30 seconds or after being used 3 times.

Utter chaos (Master)
This spell requires a pawn target, and will use any 3 spells on them, be it Heal or Firestorm. Low chance of triggering an Orbital power beam on the spot.


- Nature
Nature mages like to play with debuffs like poison, as well as plant control.

Examples of spells:

Poison thorn
Shoots a thorn imbued with poison magic, that lowers enemy conciousness by 30% and slowly deals damage to the body part hit, for up to 5 damage over 15 seconds.

Plant growth
Targetted area spell that causes plants in the area to skip 24 hours of growth. High mana cost.

Overgrowth
Causes a medium-sized area to be covered in trees for 1 minute. Once the duration ends, the trees rot, and disappear.

Toxic Fallout (Master)
Casting this spell causes a Toxic Fallout event to happen, which lasts for 48 hours.


- Gravity
Gravity mages mess with the gravity of an area or pawn, usually to their advantage.

Examples of spells:

Crushing gravity
Causes a small area to be affected by intense gravity for 20 seconds, reducing any pawn's movement speed and melee dodge chance by 70%, and increasing melee and ranged cooldowns as well as mass by 50%.

Antigravity (couldn't think of a better name)
Reduces target's mass by 90%. Affects anything they're carrying. Can be cast on pawns, as well as Transport Pods. Lasts 12 in-game hours.

Weight of the heavens (Master)
Targetted spell that crushes a single target, leaving every body part with 1 hp. No bleeding, but adds 50% blood loss. 10% chance to misfire and hit a random pawn across the map (including the caster).

Black Hole (Master)
Summons a blackhole at target spot. After 30 seconds, the black hole will start expanding until it covers half of the current map's size. Destroys anything that touches it, instantly, as well as reduces movement speed of everyone on the map by 90%. Once at max size, the black hole will shrink until it disappears. The user has a 50% chance to lose his magic powers upon usage, and gaining a trait that makes him take more damage from magic attacks.


Items

Wands and Staves
These can be crafted out of wood or metal. Equipping as a weapon decreases mana usage by 5-20% depending on material. Can be crafted along a rare Magic stone, which also amplifies the effects of spells by 5-20% depending on the material.

Magic accessories
These can be crafted out of Plasteel and Magic stones, and can be equipped on the accessory slot (same slot as energy shields/smokepop belts).
Different accessories provide different effects. Some effects could possibly be:
Mana usage reduction, Cooldown reduction, Spell effect amplifier, Mana regeneration increase, Global learning factor increase, Global work speed increase, among others.

Clothing
Robes could be both enchanted (providing some sort of effect), or unenchanted, which would be just a normal piece of cloth. Includes hats and hoods. Also could include gloves and boots if you're feeling like it.

Magic stones
These are rare stones, only obtainable from Mage stash event or Mage caravans. Used in a variety of magical things.

Scrolls (one-use spells)
These scrolls would function in a similar way to how artefacts work. Would be possible to carry on hand as well, like the Orbital beam. Any pawn, even those which cannot use magic, can use these scrolls. Does not cost mana. Scroll is consumed upon use.

Philosopher's stone
Very rare item that can make a pawn gain the Magically gifted trait. Obtained via quest rewards, trading or Arcane stash event.


Buildings

Stable magic portal
Same as the Teleport spell's portal, but can be used to go anywhere in the world. Has a 30 days cooldown. Costs one Magic stone to fully fuel. Can be used without triggering cooldown, as long as you teleport to another colony you own, that has a portal.

Mana emanator
Much like the Psychic emanator, but increases mana regeneration by 50% to anyone in the area of effect. Crafting one costs a bit of metal and Magic stones.

Mana drain machine
Assign prisoners (or any other pawn you have some control over) to one of these machines, and it will slowly drain the target's mana and convert to power. Draining beyond 10% mana left has a small chance of giving brain injuries. Has a toggle that allows you to set what mana % the machine should stop working at. Idea came from another mod, that adds a special cryptosleep casket that generates power when pawns are inside.

You're right, you have no sense of balance.

In all seriousness, I like the idea of events that affect mages, but not normal pawns. How about Mana sickness be :

Pawns gain toxicity relative to their current mana level. Pawns who aren't magically attuned, or who have low mana remaining, lose toxicity over time.

As for magic, spells like black hole, which have no counters, should be avoided, even if they come with side effects. Since gaining spells does not come with any downside, spells should be limited in power.

Quote from: henk on December 14, 2017, 04:15:11 PM
In all seriousness, I like the idea of events that affect mages, but not normal pawns. How about Mana sickness be :

Pawns gain toxicity relative to their current mana level. Pawns who aren't magically attuned, or who have low mana remaining, lose toxicity over time.

Seems good too.

Quote from: henk on December 14, 2017, 04:15:11 PM
As for magic, spells like black hole, which have no counters, should be avoided, even if they come with side effects. Since gaining spells does not come with any downside, spells should be limited in power.

I personally think that the fact that the pawn has a good chance to never be able to use magic again, and receive extra damage from it if that happens, is already enough. But if that's too mild, what about a one-off scroll that, instead of teaching the magic, it casts it, similar to vanilla artefacts?

Scrolls, and craftable one-shot spells, sounds great. I think they're in the plans for an indeterminate future.

QuotePawns gain toxicity relative to their current mana level. Pawns who aren't magically attuned, or who have low mana remaining, lose toxicity over time.

I don't think you should go this way, traits and mana are a natural things, if that would be that poisonous/lethal all the owner of these traits wouldn't survived that long to give these traits to their next generation.

I would suggest to add these poison toxic at the use of magic. Very slow natural degrade of the toxicity and an expensive craftable potion to lower/remove it.
Or magic use works as drug and can cause an addiction.

I was thinking that the toxicity would only apply to pawns that can cast spells, not those that are gifted but not attuned. Combating the toxicity would require keeping mana low.

Some really great idea's, Toketsu.  I particularly like the events and traits and will look to implement those in the next update.  I really want to include some immersion for the mod that brings good (and bad) events that emphasizes the rimworld as a place that has nurtured magic.   I also like the drain spell (though I might call it siphon); I think it would also be nice to have as a way for a stronger mage to siphon from a weaker mage (at least until AI casting is in).

It looks like druid (with skills very similar to those you listed) will be the next class I'll introduce.
I've also been looking at making something like a void mage or physics-based? mage of some kind.  Mostly because I want a spell where the mage launches himself into space then comes crashing down into groups of enemies and scatters them like chaff in the wind. 

Just updated the mod to v1.4
Includes the summoner and sniper classes, new stand-alone spell "summon minion" and several bug fixes.

Mod is now translation friendly - please let me know if you're interested in translating the mod.

Special thanks to DrMrEd for the elemental art - if you're interested in seeing your own art in the mod, let me know, I'm open to graphic improvements for existing icons/spells/creatures or new graphics for spells you'd like to see.

In every MMORPG Games there is always be a Priest Class. And almost all Priest related class has one thing in common, to resurrect the dead. I know~ there is a Resurrection Mech Serum which you can buy cheaply, but the effect is undesirable. Maybe a Resurrection that not fully heal the dead or even regenerate their loss limbs. Maybe just a simple Extreme Pain and 0% consciousness or whatever the toll is by bringing the dead back to life. As long as not that Resurrection sickness making a colonist much more a problem making you regret your decision.

Quote from: Torann on December 15, 2017, 06:18:09 PM
Some really great idea's, Toketsu.  I particularly like the events and traits and will look to implement those in the next update.  I really want to include some immersion for the mod that brings good (and bad) events that emphasizes the rimworld as a place that has nurtured magic.   I also like the drain spell (though I might call it siphon); I think it would also be nice to have as a way for a stronger mage to siphon from a weaker mage (at least until AI casting is in).

It looks like druid (with skills very similar to those you listed) will be the next class I'll introduce.
I've also been looking at making something like a void mage or physics-based? mage of some kind.  Mostly because I want a spell where the mage launches himself into space then comes crashing down into groups of enemies and scatters them like chaff in the wind.

Seems good. Also, great job on the mod so far, this is already a must have mod for me. Will post new ideas in case a think of some.

Edit: Oh, and i'm not sure if this is in already, but pawns that can't talk shouldn't be able to cast spells, and pawns with reduced talking should take longer to cast. Pawns with enhanced talking should cast faster, too.

Yes, many kind of magic need speech, but not all need them.
Alot of advanced magic user don't to say anything, the just need to do some gestures or finger acrobatic together with the right concentration.
And the highest form of magic, you just need to think/concentrate.

Quote from: Canute on December 16, 2017, 12:11:01 PM
Yes, many kind of magic need speech, but not all need them.
Alot of advanced magic user don't to say anything, the just need to do some gestures or finger acrobatic together with the right concentration.
And the highest form of magic, you just need to think/concentrate.

Depends mostly on what the creator wants magic to be. What you and i said are but two different methods.

Edit: Summoner cannot learn spells from scrolls, saying that the "pawn isn't attuned to arcane forces". Unsure if this was an overlook or intended.

It was an oversight, fixed in the steam yesterday and just uploaded the edit to moddb.  Also fixes minion behavior that was causing them to break down walls...

ive installed the mod and made sure hugslib and jecstools are installed aswell all in the right order and right version but i can not find anything of this mod in my game so im not sure if its just not accepting the mod or if im completely blind, maybe a little tutorial video would be nice sadly i cant find any videos of people actually using this mod...


These are the errors im getting if thats any help:
Config error in Gladiator: TraitDef Gladiator has 0 commonality.

(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/generated/common/runtime/DebugBindings.gen.cpp Line: 51)

Config error in InnerFire: TraitDef InnerFire has 0 commonality.

(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/generated/common/runtime/DebugBindings.gen.cpp Line: 51)

Config error in HeartOfFrost: TraitDef HeartOfFrost has 0 commonality.

(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/generated/common/runtime/DebugBindings.gen.cpp Line: 51)

Config error in StormBorn: TraitDef StormBorn has 0 commonality.

(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/generated/common/runtime/DebugBindings.gen.cpp Line: 51)

Config error in Arcanist: TraitDef Arcanist has 0 commonality.

(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/generated/common/runtime/DebugBindings.gen.cpp Line: 51)

Config error in Paladin: TraitDef Paladin has 0 commonality.

(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/generated/common/runtime/DebugBindings.gen.cpp Line: 51)

Config error in Summoner: TraitDef Summoner has 0 commonality.

(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/generated/common/runtime/DebugBindings.gen.cpp Line: 51)

Config error in TM_Sniper: TraitDef TM_Sniper has 0 commonality.

(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/generated/common/runtime/DebugBindings.gen.cpp Line: 51)

Config error in Elemental: no parts vulnerable to frostbite

(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/generated/common/runtime/DebugBindings.gen.cpp Line: 51)

Config error in Minion: no parts vulnerable to frostbite

(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/generated/common/runtime/DebugBindings.gen.cpp Line: 51)

1kili2,
since noone else got this kind of problem you got, i think you didn't something wrong with the install.
Maybe you downloaded the wrong version of a mod.

I just download the latest Jectools and tmagic, activate it and don't got any error msg.

ikili2 - those are harmless warnings.  The commonality warning just means those traits are never loaded onto a new pawn (which they aren't because you need arcane scripts/books to learn abilities).  What you want to look for is a pawn with the traits "magically gifted" or "physically adept" - these traits will allow a pawn to use said books to learn new abilities.  So it sounds like the mod is working fine for you.

Just pushed the latest update.

New events: arcane drain and arcane surge - these events boost or sap mana.  If the mage loses all their mana during a mana drain event, they will start to become sick and can even die.  Pain/pain threshold and (lowered) consciousness contribute to the drain event and will have increased affect on mages that suffer from these conditions.  Mana pots are an effective way to combat the mana sickness.

New faction - arcane fold.  A rare faction that specializes in the arcane.  Creation of this faction is also a first step in creating events centered around magic.  The Arcane Fold will now send caravan traders; you will find a a good selection of spells and magical artifacts in their stock.  A new game will be required to generate them on the map.  I'm putting the faction in now for trade benefits, etc, but will use them to launch new quests down the line.

Reworked Gladiator Cleave to improve overall functionality and ease of use - this ability is now instant cast and searches for nearby targets around the Gladiator, if a target is found, it will instantly apply cleave to this target.

New disease - Arcane Sickness.  Though rare, and usually not deadly, the disease absorbs mana in the body of the mage and will prevent any mana gain while it is present.  It also has significant physical side affects if left to fester.  The disease attaches to microorganisms so standard treatments can applied by eliminating the microorganism carrying the disease.

Two new stand-alone spells - siphon mana and transfer mana.  Siphon mana will drain a significant amount of mana from another mage and be absorbed by the caster.  The amount of mana drained will never exceed the current amount held by the victim.  If the victim is not a mage, this spell will drain life force from physical capacities and can act as a significant debuff on the target and can cause death in extreme cases.  This spell can be applied multiple times to a target to increase the effect.  Transfer mana functions similarly, in reverse however, the caster will lose mana  and the recipient will gain mana.  If the recipient is not a mage, they will gain significant physical enhancements from the controlled surge of mana into their body.  Like siphon mana, too much can be harmful and even deadly.

Lastly, some casting behavior changes have been made to improve the feel of abilities.  If an ability is used and meets criteria for range and line of sight, it will instantly cast.  Pawns will no longer move to a "preferred" location to cast the spell, as long as it can be cast immediately.  I got tired of my pawns running to the end of a hallway or corner of a room to cast heal when the pawns are right next to each other.  If a spell targets another pawn, and does not meet cast requirements, your caster will still move to get into position.  Ground targeted abilities will still be used without any affect, so pay attention to the target indicator.

Some abilities now ignore line of sight.  These spells include: summon, blink, all buffs (eg AMP, Ray of Hope, etc), and terraform spells.

Some abilities can now be used with a shield belt (or shield generating item).  These spells are generally the non-projectile or non-violent abilities.  The list includes: blink, summon, teleport, all gladiator abilities, all paladin abilities, all buffs, and most of the utility, stand-alone spells.  If an attempt to use an ability that does not work with shield-belt is made, when you click the ability icon it will now generate a message telling you it does not work and what item is blocking the mages power.  So you can't even attempt to use abilities that don't work with shield generating items.  Should be compatible with any item that functions the same as the shield belt regardless if it's vanilla or another mod.

Also, 1kili2 brings up a good point.  I'd like to include a video of what the mod offers so people can go off something besides the description, so if anyone is interesting in making a short youtube video or something like that, I'll be happy to add you as a contributor and add links to the video.

Quote from: Torann on December 20, 2017, 12:57:26 PM
Just pushed the latest update.

New events: arcane drain and arcane surge - these events boost or sap mana.  If the mage loses all their mana during a mana drain event, they will start to become sick and can even die.  Pain/pain threshold and (lowered) consciousness contribute to the drain event and will have increased affect on mages that suffer from these conditions.  Mana pots are an effective way to combat the mana sickness.

New faction - arcane fold.  A rare faction that specializes in the arcane.  Creation of this faction is also a first step in creating events centered around magic.  The Arcane Fold will now send caravan traders; you will find a a good selection of spells and magical artifacts in their stock.  A new game will be required to generate them on the map.  I'm putting the faction in now for trade benefits, etc, but will use them to launch new quests down the line.

Reworked Gladiator Cleave to improve overall functionality and ease of use - this ability is now instant cast and searches for nearby targets around the Gladiator, if a target is found, it will instantly apply cleave to this target.

New disease - Arcane Sickness.  Though rare, and usually not deadly, the disease absorbs mana in the body of the mage and will prevent any mana gain while it is present.  It also has significant physical side affects if left to fester.  The disease attaches to microorganisms so standard treatments can applied by eliminating the microorganism carrying the disease.

Two new stand-alone spells - siphon mana and transfer mana.  Siphon mana will drain a significant amount of mana from another mage and be absorbed by the caster.  The amount of mana drained will never exceed the current amount held by the victim.  If the victim is not a mage, this spell will drain life force from physical capacities and can act as a significant debuff on the target and can cause death in extreme cases.  This spell can be applied multiple times to a target to increase the effect.  Transfer mana functions similarly, in reverse however, the caster will lose mana  and the recipient will gain mana.  If the recipient is not a mage, they will gain significant physical enhancements from the controlled surge of mana into their body.  Like siphon mana, too much can be harmful and even deadly.

Lastly, some casting behavior changes have been made to improve the feel of abilities.  If an ability is used and meets criteria for range and line of sight, it will instantly cast.  Pawns will no longer move to a "preferred" location to cast the spell, as long as it can be cast immediately.  I got tired of my pawns running to the end of a hallway or corner of a room to cast heal when the pawns are right next to each other.  If a spell targets another pawn, and does not meet cast requirements, your caster will still move to get into position.  Ground targeted abilities will still be used without any affect, so pay attention to the target indicator.

Some abilities now ignore line of sight.  These spells include: summon, blink, all buffs (eg AMP, Ray of Hope, etc), and terraform spells.

Some abilities can now be used with a shield belt (or shield generating item).  These spells are generally the non-projectile or non-violent abilities.  The list includes: blink, summon, teleport, all gladiator abilities, all paladin abilities, all buffs, and most of the utility, stand-alone spells.  If an attempt to use an ability that does not work with shield-belt is made, when you click the ability icon it will now generate a message telling you it does not work and what item is blocking the mages power.  So you can't even attempt to use abilities that don't work with shield generating items.  Should be compatible with any item that functions the same as the shield belt regardless if it's vanilla or another mod.

Sounding good, can't wait to give a try.

Quote from: Torann on December 20, 2017, 12:57:26 PM
I got tired of my pawns running to the end of a hallway or corner of a room to cast heal when the pawns are right next to each other.

Seems like the fix of the year. Especially when going outside is a bad idea.

Quote from: Torann on December 20, 2017, 12:57:26 PM
Some abilities now ignore line of sight.  These spells include: summon, blink, all buffs (eg AMP, Ray of Hope, etc), and terraform spells.

Does this mean we can now blink through walls? o-o

Edit: Readying some ideas up, next post will be with some ideas, focusing on spells/skills. Should be up tomorrow.

Quote from: Toketsu on December 20, 2017, 02:11:38 PM
Does this mean we can now blink through walls? o-o

Yes, as long as it's in range and the mage knows of the area, eg it's visible terrain you could normally walk over - you can blink to it. 

Quote from: Torann on December 20, 2017, 03:33:09 PM

Quote from: Toketsu on December 20, 2017, 02:11:38 PM
Does this mean we can now blink through walls? o-o

Yes, as long as it's in range and the mage knows of the area, eg it's visible terrain you could normally walk over - you can blink to it.

Damn, this is one great fix. Also great that we can summon stuff through walls. Both these spells were somewhat useless in many conditions due to the fact of buildings and natural stuff in the way. Great job.

How good are enemies at using magic? Can they use it at all, and would it be possible to have enemies with no weapon and just magic?

And some ideas :
A summoned creature that only cleans and hauls.
A Firefoam popper-like spell for ice mages.
An option on terrain-affecting spells to cast them with a bigger area and proportional mana cost, selected by right clicking the spell, unlocked by leveling up that spell. Or barring that, an option under floor construction to cast that spell on those tiles whenever it is off cooldown, so the player doesn't have to do it manually.
Higher tier spells need to disable the caster, even if benignly. Make them stunned, or throw up, or give them temporary blindness. Higher tier spells are pretty strong right now.
A spell to pull a random item out of the ether - can be anything under a cost proportional to the caster's level.
A sniper ability to mark a target, making them easier to hit.
A summoner spell to place an ally in stasis, similar to cryptosleep caskets.
Fire mages could have fire fighting disabled. Because they love fire.

Again, some crazy ideas. I won't be offended if they're not feasible.

QuoteAn option on terrain-affecting spells to cast them with a bigger area and proportional mana cost, selected by right clicking the spell, unlocked by leveling up that spell.

The ultimate outpost killer
Create vulkan !
a 5x5 lavafield surrounded with 5-10 wide mountains.

Quote from: Canute on December 21, 2017, 03:37:07 AM
The ultimate outpost killer
Create vulkan !
a 5x5 lavafield surrounded with 5-10 wide mountains.

I was thinking more of mass-create-soil, but your idea is good too =P

Passive skills

Meditative Mind
Regains mana or stamina (whichever you have) slightly faster per level. max level: 3.

Magical Nutrition/Magical Body
Lowers the rate at which the pawn becomes hungry, tired and regenerates mana. max level: 3.

Powerful Presence
5% chance to cause enemies within melee range to flee for 5 seconds whenever they attack the owner of this skill.

Commanding Presence
Causes allies to gain +10% global work speed while the pawn is within 10 tiles of them. Allies will dislike the pawn who owns this skill by -15, and will
never start social fights with them, unless they also have Commanding Presence.

Water Walker (water-only)
Causes the owner of this skill to be able to walk on deep water.

Magic Nullification (learnable by any class)
Nullifies the effects of any hostile magical effects on the pawn. Has a cooldown of 48 in-game hours.


Active spells

Soulburn (unnatributed/scroll)
Pawn with at least 50% mana left can self-destruct in a large, very powerful blast. Pawn dies on the explosion, and the body vanishes, meaning they can't be resurrected.

Focus (sniper martial scroll)
Self-use, causes the pawn to gain +20% shooting accuracy for 60 seconds.

Stealth (sniper martial scroll)
Self-use, causes the pawn to become immune to aggro unless they're moving/doing something. Also drops active aggros on use, as long as there are no enemies within 7 tiles of the pawn.

Piercing Shot (sniper master scroll)
Shoots a projectile that pierces 2 targets, and stops on the third. Instant cast.

Raise Undead (unnatributed/scroll)
Use on a corpse to have them fight for you for a small duration of time. The corpse can not be rotting.

Disarm (sniper martial scroll)
Shoot the target's hand, causing target hit to drop equipped weapon and lose manipulation. Target will attempt to pick up the weapon shortly after.

Arcane Pet (summoner/scroll)
Summons a magical animal that wanders around the colony, nuzzling everyone it sees (once per colonist), increasing mood of everyone nuzzled.

Knowledge Thief (unnatributed/scroll)
Swap all your skill levels with the target. Lasts 30 seconds, and switches back when duration ends.

Trailblazer (fire/scroll)
For it's duration, causes the user to create fire wherever he steps. Fire lasts 15 seconds and doesn't spread. The user is immune to the fire created by this skill.

High Voltage (thunder/scroll)
Causes user to emit high amounts of electricity to nearby pawns (both allies and enemies) with metal armor for a short while.

Electromagnetic Storm (thunder/ master scroll)
Causes all electrical buildings, entities and energy shields to stop working. Lasts a while. Mechanoids are resilient to this magic, and have halved duration.

Light Orb (unnatributed/scroll)
Casts a flying orb of light that illuminates a small area. Lasts 7 days.


Events

Rogue Elementals (works similar to alphabeaver event, but eats any item on the ground)
1-8 Elementals went rogue and fled their master. Now they're at your colony, and will consume any items they find on the ground (be it consumable or not).
Kill them before they eat everything! They'll leave after 2 days if not killed. Does not break buildings unless maddened.

Stolen Scroll (similar to chased refugee)
A visitor comes by and asks if you want to take the scroll they have, for 1/4 of the market value. If you accept, you'll have to fight whoever he stole the scroll from.

Blood Moon
High concentrations of mana focus on the night sky once in a while, changing the color of the moon to a crimson red. Animals become more aggressive during such event (manhunter pack event activates), and pawns are far more likely to have social fights and mental breaks. Lasts until morning.

Elemental Rift (disabled by any difficulty modes that also disables bug hives)
Causes a portal to open somewhere on the map. This portal will periodically spawn hostile elementals, which will protect the portal and travel around the map creating more portals over time. Attacking a portal will spawn a few more elementals to protect it. Destroying the portal grants Magic Stones, used in many things, from crafting magical items to building magical structures.


Buildings (I'll leave the cost to you)

Lesser Magic Circle (8 intelligence + 4 construction)
Increases cast speed of any pawn standing on it by 33%. 1x1 size.

Magic Circle (12 intelligence + 7 construction)
Increases cast speed of any pawn standing on it by 50%. 2x2 size.

Greater Magic Circle (16 intelligence + 10 construction)
Increases cast speed of any pawn standing on it by 50% and reduces mana costs by 20%. 3x3 size.


Crafter (requires new adept type, possibly along the lines of deftness)
Crafters are known to be really weak in combat, but strong in workshops.
Example of skills:

Passive:
(needs a name)
Causes any armor and weapon used by this pawn to not lose durability, due to constant fixing and tinkering.

Knowledge
Requires -1 crafting level to craft things with level requirement. up to -3 with level ups.

Active:
Fix
Repairs damage on items by 10%. 30 seconds cast time.

Polish and Tinker
5% chance to upgrade an item by one tier. 1 minute cast time.

Mass Production
User gains +100% global work speed for 30 seconds, and gets tired faster.

Godly Hands (master)
Causes the next item created to be one tier higher than it would be otherwise. (if the item was already legendary, you gain half of the materials back)


Magical Farmer (non-combat magic class (who said magic classes have to be combat active?))
Magical Farmers are known to work really well with plants, although they lack any kind of social prowess. The Psycopath trait comes along with this class.
Examples of skills:

Passive:

Super Harvest
Plant harvest yield increased by 50%

Active:

Talk to the Plants
Increases your own mood by +10 for 12h and has a 50% chance of creating a Nature Elemental when used on a plant. The Nature Elemental will harvest crops that are ready to be harvested, and transform them in a magical stew that provides +5 mood when eaten, and increases manipulation by +20% for a while. The elemental vanishes after making 10 stew.

Mana Fertilizer
Medium-sized area spell that transforms soil into magical soil, which grants +100% plant growth rate. Lasts until plants are harvested, cut or otherwise dies.

Praise the Sun Lamp
Creates a magical version of a sun lamp, which lasts 4 days and doesn't cost energy.

Harvest Song (Master)
Sings to crops in a large area around you, causing crops to grow 20%. Crops can only grow with this skill once. If a crop reaches 100%/Ready to harvest status, they will harvest themselves. Comes along with the +50% Harvest yield that this class has. Animals that hear this song will no longer be manhunting, and will be put to sleep.


Items

Tome of Knowledge
Rare item that grants one skill point to a pawn. Obtainable via magic events, trading and as a very rare drop from hostile elementals (chances one will spawn with it could be around 1/1k).


Other

Allow us to level up spells learned via scrolls. To balance, it could require 1 skill point per level, and an amount of scrolls equal to current level.
Example: You just learned heal with a scroll, and you have one skill point, you can use one scroll and that point to level it up. After this, you'd require 2 scrolls and one point.

Add buildings that cost mana per use - which means only mages can use. These buildings could provide useful actions, defensive bonuses for the colony, and more.

Make it so rain spell causes snow when it's under freezing temperature (0C, 32F).

Quote from: Toketsu on December 21, 2017, 04:09:23 PM
Water Walker (water-only)
Causes the owner of this skill to be able to walk on deep water.

That would be a nice passive for water mages.

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Soulburn (unnatributed/scroll)
Pawn with at least 50% mana left can self-destruct in a large, very powerful blast. Pawn dies on the explosion, and the body vanishes, meaning they can't be resurrected.

Self destruct is bad. Every pawn matters, even the pyromaniac depressive incapable of skilled and dumb labor ones!

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Electromagnetic Storm (thunder/ master scroll)
Causes all electrical buildings, entities and energy shields to stop working. Lasts a while. Mechanoids are resilient to this magic, and have halved duration.

Sounds like a solar flare with added map-wide EMP.

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Rogue Elementals (works similar to alphabeaver event, but eats any item on the ground)
1-8 Elementals went rogue and fled their master. Now they're at your colony, and will consume any items they find on the ground (be it consumable or not).
Kill them before they eat everything! They'll leave after 2 days if not killed. Does not break buildings unless maddened.

Given the speed at which items are eaten, a single one of these could ruin an entire colony.

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Stolen Scroll (similar to chased refugee)
A visitor comes by and asks if you want to take the scroll they have, for 1/4 of the market value. If you accept, you'll have to fight whoever he stole the scroll from.

More non-overpriced scrolls is nice.

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Elemental Rift (disabled by any difficulty modes that also disables bug hives)
Causes a portal to open somewhere on the map. This portal will periodically spawn hostile elementals, which will protect the portal and travel around the map creating more portals over time. Attacking a portal will spawn a few more elementals to protect it. Destroying the portal grants Magic Stones, used in many things, from crafting magical items to building magical structures.

I could see magic stones being the elementals' food, spawning from portals like insect jelly from hives. A crafting branch would make the mod feel truly complete.

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Fix
Repairs damage on items by 10%. 30 seconds cast time.

Polish and Tinker
5% chance to upgrade an item by one tier. 1 minute cast time.

Increasing an item's tier is powerful, but 5% chance to up upgrade is just too low. You could add a chance to upgrade an item when repairing instead.

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Super Harvest
Plant harvest yield increased by 50%

Yield is usually how dependent much is available, not how good the gatherer is. This would require improving the plant as it's planted, or just duplicating the yield as it is gathered.

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Praise the Sun Lamp
Creates a magical version of a sun lamp, which lasts 4 days and doesn't cost energy.

I would like this with the added ability for mage pawns to refuel it like campfires, using mana. Re-casting it every 4 days sounds tiresome.

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Add buildings that cost mana per use - which means only mages can use. These buildings could provide useful actions, defensive bonuses for the colony, and more.

A manned magic turret firing magic bullets? Now I could get behind that.


Please don't take the suggestion as criticism, I love your ideas ^^

How does mass teleport work, cant seem to get it to work.

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Soulburn (unnatributed/scroll)
Pawn with at least 50% mana left can self-destruct in a large, very powerful blast. Pawn dies on the explosion, and the body vanishes, meaning they can't be resurrected.

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Self destruct is bad. Every pawn matters, even the pyromaniac depressive incapable of skilled and dumb labor ones!

This is supposed to be something you'd use when you're out of options, and your colony could die if you don't kill the enemies.

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Rogue Elementals (works similar to alphabeaver event, but eats any item on the ground)
1-8 Elementals went rogue and fled their master. Now they're at your colony, and will consume any items they find on the ground (be it consumable or not).
Kill them before they eat everything! They'll leave after 2 days if not killed. Does not break buildings unless maddened.

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Given the speed at which items are eaten, a single one of these could ruin an entire colony.

As it's said, they don't break buildings as long as they're not maddened. This means that any items stored in a storage located inside a building will be safe.

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Fix
Repairs damage on items by 10%. 30 seconds cast time.

Polish and Tinker
5% chance to upgrade an item by one tier. 1 minute cast time.

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Increasing an item's tier is powerful, but 5% chance to up upgrade is just too low. You could add a chance to upgrade an item when repairing instead.

Skills and spells can be upgraded, don't forget that. I wrote that number with this fact in mind, and so the % would likely increase with higher skill levels. It also could be made so you can only increase an item's tier once.

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Praise the Sun Lamp
Creates a magical version of a sun lamp, which lasts 4 days and doesn't cost energy.

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I would like this with the added ability for mage pawns to refuel it like campfires, using mana. Re-casting it every 4 days sounds tiresome.

Sounds good.

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Please don't take the suggestion as criticism, I love your ideas ^^

Constructive criticism is a good thing, and isn't used as often as it should.

Quote from: WereCat88 on December 21, 2017, 05:34:54 PM
How does mass teleport work, cant seem to get it to work.

If you mean the Teleport spell, then you use it in an unroofed area, fuel it with Portfuel (spawned right next to the portal), and then you use it just like you'd use a Transport pod.

Lot of great idea's, Toketsu.

Of them all, I think I like the rogue elemental portal event and the growth lamp the most.
Though with the portal, I might just make it keep spawning elementals to attack your colony until the portal is destroyed (or portal energy runs out).  Maybe some other twists... ;)

I'm getting closer to adding items/buildings, but I'm not quite there yet.  I'm not sure what scope I want to shoot for and how I'd implement.  (eg, new research tab?  New building required to research? only mages can research/build/craft magical items?)  What types of new material?  I've avoided adding a large resource tree, new items and buildings means new graphics and which takes me a long time and aren't even close to the quality found in most other mods.  So ya, lower quality and lots of time are big drawbacks.
However, it would introduce the groundwork for some interesting classes like the enchanter, alchemist, spell-forge type classes.

With those things in mind, let me know what you'd like to see for items/buildings.  Are a few select items that can be found through quests or traded for like "ring of fire" that can be equipped in the apparel slot and lets the wearer cast fireball, or the sword of lightning that has a chance to add extra electrocution damage to each strike good enough?  Or is a full research tree with magical components/material for crafting apparel/weapons with magical attributes more  appealing?

I like the idea of a new research tree, and it doesn't have to be complex. Adding a few generic researches at first would be fine - for example, for crafting mana potions. Just lay the groundwork for a possible future magical tech tree and add nodes to it as needed.

I also really like the idea of a magic tech tree largely independent of the main tech tree, so one could advance in power through researching magic and not need to bother with electricity and firearms for a while.

Much like henk said, a separate research tab would be nice. Maybe having the very basic researches be able to get researched by anyone, but keep the more complex ones to mages only. I'd help with the graphics, but i can't draw at all.

As for the items, i personally think there should be two different categories.
The first category would be Magical Items, which would your usual magic items like the ring of fire you mentioned. Stuff that can be researched and crafted with apparent ease.

The second category would be Artefacts/Legendary Items, which would be rare/very rare items like spell tomes, or Arcane Weapons (not to be confused with imbued weapons. Imbued weapons would be magical items, and could be crafted through a special crafting method (possibly class-locked), and then imbue the magic stone on it with a mage's mana, for example, imbued a rifle with a fire mage's mana could have a low chance of settings targets on fire. arcane weapons would be similar, but more powerful items, with better effects (explosion bullets 100% of the time instead of a low chance of burning, for example)). Artefacts and Legendary Items could be quest rewards, sometimes found while trading, or even event rewards (say, you're moving a caravan around and then you get an event where you find some magical ruins, and there could be an artefact inside, but you'd have to fight off some kind of security mechanism, like monsters. Could also have traps that can only be avoided with magic, and lock mechanisms that open with a certain type of mana, like fire or thunder.)

Sorry for the walls of text, but i'm just excited whenever the topic is magic.
I'll give some thought about what items and buildings could be a good idea and mention on a post within two days (i'll also re-add previous items/buildings i've said, though i'll likely reword them with fresh ideas).

Lastly, if you add the research like i said, then the magical research bench could consume mana over time on use, and cannot be used without it. That way magical researches can be hard to attain, but could be very worthwhile.

One more thing i'd love to see, and just thought up on the spot when i was going to click post:

New traits that have a low and very low chance (respectively) of being attained upon learning a magic school:

Dual Elementalist
Mages that attain this trait when learning a magic school can learn a second magic school. Rare trait.

Triple Elementalist
Similar to the above, but can learn a third magic school. Exceptionally rare trait on it's own, but you can (more torwards end game) research a way to unlock the potential for a third magic school into those that already have two elements.

Edit: An add-on for my previous ideas post: Soulburn should be usable by pawns that are downed, but not unconcious.

Edit 2:

Quote from: Torann on December 15, 2017, 06:18:09 PM
I really want to include some immersion for the mod that brings good (and bad) events that emphasizes the rimworld as a place that has nurtured magic.

I've been thinking on this, and i personally think that, if you want rimworld to be a place that is one with magic, you'll have to do a bit of everything. From new spells, to magic research and crafting, to magical disasters and even magical wildlife. There's of course much more than that, but we should take one step at a time with this. Really looking forward to what you'll do with this mod, it's already really good as is.

i'd like Magicite, as a compacted form in small (1 - 3) veins with 100% drop chance, and as a 5% - 10% chance in other stones, can be charged by a gifted to an element, and then used in a weapon or armor. Int determines quality of the stone, the higher the quality, the bigger the gifts.

The stone itself would list its gifts, lowest having 1 bonus, highest having 3, also higher the level higher the chance of snagging a higher  tiered bonus
EXAMPLE
Pyrocyte (Fire Magicite)
Min Temp  -1 / -2 / -4 / -8
Burn enemies on contact +1 / +2 / +3 / +4
Burn damage reflection 25% / 50% / 75% / 100%
Burn damage heals  25% / 50% / 75% / 100%
Chance to Fireball on hit 1% / 2% / 4%/ 8%
Constant Ray of Hope 1 / 2 / 3
Cauterize wound (no bleeding)

also, i want a a destructive shot.  sniper that can effectively take an eyeball out without killing or create non lethal brain trauma.  better than killing your enemy is making them useless

Quote from: ZE on December 22, 2017, 12:50:40 AM
i'd like Magicite, as a compacted form in small (1 - 3) veins with 100% drop chance, and as a 5% - 10% chance in other stones, can be charged by a gifted to an element, and then used in a weapon or armor. Int determines quality of the stone, the higher the quality, the bigger the gifts.

The stone itself would list its gifts, lowest having 1 bonus, highest having 3, also higher the level higher the chance of snagging a higher  tiered bonus
EXAMPLE
Pyrocyte (Fire Magicite)
Min Temp  -1 / -2 / -4 / -8
Burn enemies on contact +1 / +2 / +3 / +4
Burn damage reflection 25% / 50% / 75% / 100%
Burn damage heals  25% / 50% / 75% / 100%
Chance to Fireball on hit 1% / 2% / 4%/ 8%
Constant Ray of Hope 1 / 2 / 3
Cauterize wound (no bleeding)

also, i want a a destructive shot.  sniper that can effectively take an eyeball out without killing or create non lethal brain trauma.  better than killing your enemy is making them useless

Damn, those numbers are even more broken than my own's. Hat's off to you.

But for real, the ideas seem nice, but some seem too overpowered and/or would make other things too redundant. For example, the Constant Ray of Hope would kill the use for the spell.

Whenever i try and summon a portal this error gets spewn on the log a bagillion times:
Exception ticking Projectile_Teleport(parent=Verse.ThingWithComps at=(-1000, -1000, -1000)): System.ArgumentNullException: Argument cannot be null.
Parameter name: type
  at System.Activator.CheckType (System.Type type) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at System.Activator.CreateInstance (System.Type type, Boolean nonPublic) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at System.Activator.CreateInstance (System.Type type) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at Verse.ThingMaker.MakeThing (Verse.ThingDef def, Verse.ThingDef stuff) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at TorannMagic.Projectile_Teleport.SingleSpawnLoop (AbilityUser.SpawnThings spawnables, IntVec3 position, Verse.Map map) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at TorannMagic.Projectile_Teleport.Impact (Verse.Thing hitThing) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at AbilityUser.Projectile_AbilityBase.ImpactSomething () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at AbilityUser.Projectile_AbilityBase.Tick () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at TorannMagic.Projectile_Teleport.Tick () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at Verse.TickList.Tick () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
Verse.Log:Error(String)
Verse.TickList:Tick()
Verse.TickManager:DoSingleTick()
Verse.TickManager:TickManagerUpdate()
Verse.Game:UpdatePlay()
Verse.Root_Play:Update()


Quote from: Toketsu on December 22, 2017, 12:59:40 AM

Quote from: ZE on December 22, 2017, 12:50:40 AM
i'd like Magicite, as a compacted form in small (1 - 3) veins with 100% drop chance, and as a 5% - 10% chance in other stones, can be charged by a gifted to an element, and then used in a weapon or armor. Int determines quality of the stone, the higher the quality, the bigger the gifts.

The stone itself would list its gifts, lowest having 1 bonus, highest having 3, also higher the level higher the chance of snagging a higher  tiered bonus
EXAMPLE
Pyrocyte (Fire Magicite)
Min Temp  -1 / -2 / -4 / -8
Burn enemies on contact +1 / +2 / +3 / +4
Burn damage reflection 25% / 50% / 75% / 100%
Burn damage heals  25% / 50% / 75% / 100%
Chance to Fireball on hit 1% / 2% / 4%/ 8%
Constant Ray of Hope 1 / 2 / 3
Cauterize wound (no bleeding)

also, i want a a destructive shot.  sniper that can effectively take an eyeball out without killing or create non lethal brain trauma.  better than killing your enemy is making them useless

Damn, those numbers are even more broken than my own's. Hat's off to you.

But for real, the ideas seem nice, but some seem too overpowered and/or would make other things too redundant. For example, the Constant Ray of Hope would kill the use for the spell.

well those higher levels are rarer results, think of Infused, how its quite common to get crap even at Legendary, but occasionally you get Omnipotence.

so you get 100% burn damage reflection, someone throws a fireball, suddenly they are the ones getting burned

but maybe it could be toned down, if you could socket boots, gloves, pants, shirt, coat, hat, glasses.... i suppose they could be more like 2.5% 5% 7.5% and 10%

Quote from: WereCat88 on December 22, 2017, 07:18:30 AM
Whenever i try and summon a portal this error gets spewn on the log a bagillion times:

What version are you using and where are you trying to cast the portal?

If you've got the latest version, it shouldn't let you try to cast in an invalid location.  This log message is seen if you try to cast the portal in an area of the map that doesn't allow buildings (eg along the edges).  If you are placing buildings normally, you'll notice there's a yellow zone along the edge of the map and it won't let you build here.  Earlier versions would allow you to cast in this zone and would throw the error you're seeing, newer versions should just poof the portal and generate a message telling you the location was bad.  Either way, you can't use the portal in this area.

I like the idea of magicite.
1. It only requires a single (or several variations) of an item, so the overall item addition is small.
2. It's not a stat item, meaning it requires no balance in itself.
3. Infused mod already exists, so if the mod maker is willing to let me use that code, then it should be an easy conversion to assign "infused" bonuses with magicite
4. Most of the effects are pretty do-able, though I'm not sure if you'd really want a chance to fireball on hit unless you also had an absorb fire or resist fire stat  ;)

I seem to be getting this error whenever I try to use the Orbital bombardment tagger with this mod active, makes using the weapon impossible.

Object reference not set to an instance of an object
at TorannMagic.HarmonyPatches/TryFindShootLineFromTo_Base_Patch.Prefix (Verse.Verb,Verse.IntVec3,Verse.LocalTargetInfo,Verse.ShootLine&,bool&) <0x00196>
at (wrapper dynamic-method) Verse.Verb.TryFindShootLineFromTo_Patch1 (object,Verse.IntVec3,Verse.LocalTargetInfo,Verse.ShootLine&) <0x00179>
at Verse.Verb.CanHitTargetFrom (Verse.IntVec3,Verse.LocalTargetInfo) <0x001fa>
at Verse.Verb.CanHitTarget (Verse.LocalTargetInfo) <0x00091>
at (wrapper dynamic-method) RimWorld.FloatMenuUtility.GetRangedAttackAction_Patch0 (Verse.Pawn,Verse.LocalTargetInfo,string&) <0x001f0>
at RimWorld.FloatMenuMakerMap.AddDraftedOrders (UnityEngine.Vector3,Verse.Pawn,System.Collections.Generic.List`1<Verse.FloatMenuOption>) <0x0026b>
at RimWorld.FloatMenuMakerMap.ChoicesAtFor (UnityEngine.Vector3,Verse.Pawn) <0x00184>
at RimWorld.FloatMenuMakerMap.TryMakeFloatMenu (Verse.Pawn) <0x00125>
at RimWorld.Selector.HandleMapClicks () <0x00179>
at RimWorld.Selector.SelectorOnGUI () <0x00014>
at RimWorld.MapInterface.HandleLowPriorityInput () <0x00033>
at RimWorld.UIRoot_Play.UIRootOnGUI () <0x001ad>
at Verse.Root.OnGUI () <0x000c6>


I'll check it out, thanks for letting me know.

Well talk about coincidence, it seems to be keying in on one of the criteria in the harmony patch where it uses a projectile containing "Projectile_Summon"  in the defname and yet I can't for the life of me find where the bombardments use any projectiles so I don't know why it's matching this.  I'll adjust the patch and push out an update tonight.

Quote from: Torann on December 22, 2017, 01:58:40 PM
What version are you using and where are you trying to cast the portal?

If you've got the latest version, it shouldn't let you try to cast in an invalid location.  This log message is seen if you try to cast the portal in an area of the map that doesn't allow buildings (eg along the edges).  If you are placing buildings normally, you'll notice there's a yellow zone along the edge of the map and it won't let you build here.  Earlier versions would allow you to cast in this zone and would throw the error you're seeing, newer versions should just poof the portal and generate a message telling you the location was bad.  Either way, you can't use the portal in this area.

Im using the latest version from moddb (v1.4.7) and i cast it nowhere near the border, in an open field, it casts but no projectile, also another weird thing is that if i try and build near where the portal was cast it will explode so in some way the portal is there? Idk

This mod is awesome! :)
I noticed a bug: You can cast creatures when a wall is between the caster and the creature. It will reduce the mana, but no creature will spawn. It would be good, if there is any message like "You can't do that!" or something like this.
And it seems that I can't take a prisoner with me in a portal? I got the quest to recover a wounded refugee, so I teleported my Warlock to that location, but I can't put the prisoner back to my colony with the teleport pod.

And can I see, how many mana my colonist has?

Quote from: Jan2607 on December 22, 2017, 06:22:21 PM
And it seems that I can't take a prisoner with me in a portal? I got the quest to recover a wounded refugee, so I teleported my Warlock to that location, but I can't put the prisoner back to my colony with the teleport pod.

And can I see, how many mana my colonist has?

Teleport works the same way as transport pods, so no, you cannot transport downed/incapable of walking pawns.

Check the Needs tab.

Aaaah, there it is :D Thank you :)

Quote from: Jan2607 on December 22, 2017, 06:22:21 PM
I noticed a bug: You can cast creatures when a wall is between the caster and the creature. It will reduce the mana, but no creature will spawn. It would be good, if there is any message like "You can't do that!" or something like this.

I agree, at some point I'll figure out where this block of code is that allows the ability to draw mana and go on cooldown but produce nothing, once I do then I'll add in something to give you a notification (at a minimum).  Best advice I have now is to check the target indicator before using the ability, if it has a line through it, it won't work.

Quote from: Jan2607 on December 22, 2017, 06:22:21 PM
And it seems that I can't take a prisoner with me in a portal? I got the quest to recover a wounded refugee, so I teleported my Warlock to that location, but I can't put the prisoner back to my colony with the teleport pod.

I had this same scenario recently as well.  I believe a pawn has to be able to walk to load onto a transport pod, and teleport is no different.  I  set up a temporary shelter and nursed the refugee back to a stable, walking condition, then I was able to load everyone up and portal back to my town.

Just updated steam and moddb with v1.5

Adds the druid class - a support class that can regenerate wounds over time, cure (natural) diseases and infections, poison enemies with a toxin that gets worse the more they move, beguile animals and even regrow limbs.
Beguile is quite fun, in my testing I was able to beguile a t-rex next to an oncoming raid and have it become very t-rex-y on said raid.  :o
The Regrow Limb ability was implemented in part as a spell and in part as a surgery.  You'll need the spell to create one of the ingredients, and if you try to perform the surgery and the surgeon does not know the spell, the surgery will fail.  The regrowth can still fail, if the druid is a terrible doc, but the trait should help some with that.  The limb takes several days to regrow, and after about a season it will enter its final form.

The update fixes the bug/conflict with bombardment targeter and mortar systems where they were not able to select a target.

Lastly, I overhauled the use of mana and mana efficiency.  Part of this was by adding a debuff called arcane weakness, part was by balancing spell costs and efficiency ratings.  Some spells were being reduced by over 80% if all skills were learned.

The debuff, arcane weakness only applies when dealing with bigger spells (anything with a net cost < 25% won't contribute to the debuff).  After that, it ramps up in several stages with spells that cost > 80% incurring a sickness that will affect the mage for a day or two.
That being said, use of spells in a normal combat situation isn't going to be significantly different, though you will want to protect the mage a bit more as they'll get a slight sight/movement debuff that will last a minute or two.  If you choose to be more aggressive with spells, like using multiple fireballs and mana potions etc, you'll enter stage 2 of the debuff which will make your mage pretty vulnerable, though certainly still useable. 

Last in line for combat spells, and where your mage can reach sickened state, is when they use very powerful spells.  This is reserved for a select few, like blizzard or lightning storm.  Heavy use of these spells, combined with other strong spells in a short period, can put the mage into a sickened and vulnerable state - still able to move, but not going to win a fight with a rat.
Spells that are incredibly powerful, like regrowing limbs and resurrection, will hit the top debuff multiplier, and will cause a lot of weakness.  Taking limb regrowth as an example, using the spell without training in it costs 90% mana (for the surgery) and will put the mage into a sickened state for about 16 game hours, followed by another day or so weakened.  Training in the spell can reduce the cost enough to bypass the sickened state.
Also note, when in a weakened state at any stage, mana regen is cut to 25%, so the total cost for a spell like regrow limb ends up being about 150% mana.

Lastly, but not least, if you cast "rainmaker" when the outdoor temp is below freezing, it will snow instead of rain.  ;)

Torann,
since you develop and update your mode quiet alot times now, what do you think to add modsync support ?
So player know if there are a new version out there.

Quote from: Torann on December 23, 2017, 05:33:03 AM
Just updated steam and moddb with v1.5

Sounds like a good update, looking forward to test it later. Also, i thought up some stuff, but my mind went blank and i couldn't think of anything else, so i'll just post what i have right now. Reminder that this includes all buildings/items i've previously suggested, although most of them have some kind of difference.

Items

Magic Stones
These are rare stones, obtainable via trading, magic-related events, quests and can be crafted after some research (requires a good amount of supplies and mana). These stones are widely used in the magic field, most often as a form of amplification, or a catalyst for some more complex spells and magical mechanisms.

Mana Crystals
Empty Mana Crystals are crystals that are as common as steel (each crystal 'ore' wall drops 4 crystals), and can be fueled with mana (costs 1/3 of a pawn's mana capacity) to create a specific mana crystal. The type created will be the same as the pawn's magic school. If dual/triple elementalists get added, you will be able to choose which type will be fueling the crystal. Filled crystals can be used for crafting, building and fueling.

Arcane Stone
Very rare item that can make a pawn gain the Magically gifted trait. Obtained via quest rewards, trading or some events.

Scrolls (one-use spells)
These uncommon scrolls would function in a similar way to how artefacts work. Would be possible to carry on hand as well, like the Orbital beam.
Any pawn, even those which cannot use magic, can use these scrolls. Does not cost mana. Scroll is consumed upon use.

Tome of Knowledge
Rare item that grants one skill point to a pawn. Obtainable via magic events, trading and as a very rare drop from hostile elementals and mages (chances one will spawn with it could be around 1/1k).



Wands and Staves
These can be crafted out of wood or metal. Equipping as a weapon decreases mana usage by 5-20%.
Can be crafted along a rare Magic stone, which also amplifies the effects of spells by 5-20%.
Can have spells registered in them. This requires some scrolls of the same spell, along with some research.
Can also be imbued with mana crystals (requires Imbuing research) to give special effects, and make the weapon more personalized for a special magic school.
For example, a fire-imbued staff could have -20% fire magic cooldown.

Magic accessories
These can be crafted out of Plasteel, Mana crystals and Magic stones, and can be equipped on the accessory slot (same slot as energy shields/smokepop belts).
Different accessories provide different effects. Some effects could possibly be:
Mana usage reduction, Cooldown reduction, Spell effect amplifier, Mana regeneration increase, Global learning factor increase, Global work speed increase, among others.

Clothing
Robes could be imbued for some sort of effect, or worn as is, which would be just a normal piece of clothing.
Includes hats and hoods. Also could include gloves and boots if you're feeling like it.
Clothing-only imbues could be things like Mana Weakness duration reduction, among other effects.

Buildings
Mana Storage + Mana Cables
Large mana crystal that can store large amounts of mana. Mana stored in here can only be used for fueling magical buildings. Mana cables allow you to transfer the stored mana to buildings that use mana as fuel, allowed for a centralized fueling. Does not use mana constantly, only when the machine is being used. Pawns with the Flicker job type can refuel automatically. Should have an option for how much mana the pawn should have when refueling, and how much they will use. Example: Pawn should have 100% mana, and use 25%. Means that whenever they reach max mana, they will go refuel the storage with 25% of their mana. This allows for you to always have mana in case you need to use spells, and not always be depleted.

Stable magic portal
Same as the Teleport spell's portal, but can be used to go anywhere in the world. Has a 30 days cooldown. Can be used without triggering cooldown, as long as you teleport to another colony you own, that has a portal. Fuel use cost: 500% mana. Can be fueled directly with 12 Arcane (warlock) Mana Crystals.

Mana emanator
Much like the Psychic emanator, but increases mana regeneration by 50% to anyone in the area of effect. Crafting one costs a bit of metal and a Magic stone. Fuel use cost: 50% mana every 24h.

Mana drain machine
Assign prisoners (or any other pawn you have some control over) to one of these machines, and it will slowly drain the target's mana and send to the storage.
Draining beyond 10% mana left has a small chance of giving brain injuries. Has a toggle that allows you to set what mana % the machine should stop working at.
Idea came from another mod, that adds a special cryptosleep casket that generates power when pawns are inside.

Lesser Magic Circle (8 intelligence + 4 construction)
Increases cast speed of any pawn standing on it by 33%. 1x1 size.

Magic Circle (12 intelligence + 7 construction)
Increases cast speed of any pawn standing on it by 50%. 2x2 size.

Greater Magic Circle (16 intelligence + 10 construction)
Increases cast speed of any pawn standing on it by 50% and reduces mana costs by 20%. 3x3 size.


Rituals
Rituals are large-scale spells that can not be cast instantly, and require effort and preparation to be used. They are made the same way as buildings are, but tend to require more work than resources. The more complex the spell, the larger the minimum ritual circle size is.
There are 5 sizes of circles (each locked behind research), these are (the time to build ahead are based on a pawn with level 10 construction and in-game hours.):

Basic Ritual Circle
1x1 circle. Materials are composed of: 5 Mana Crystals of the appropriate type. Should take 2h to build.

Normal Ritual Circle
3x3 circle. Materials are composed of: 18 Mana Crystals of the appropriate type, 100 blocks of any stone. Should take 5h to build.

Intermediary Ritual Circle
7x7 circle. Materials are composed of: 40 Mana Crystals of the appropriate type, 300 blocks of any stone, 1 Magic Stone. Should take 10h to build.

Advanced Ritual Circle
11x11 circle. Materials are composed of: 100 Mana Crystals of the appropriate type, 600 blocks of any stone, 4 Magic Stone. Should take 24h to build.

Master Ritual Circle
17x17 circle. Materials are composed of: 200 Mana Crystals of the appropriate type, 1000 blocks of any stone, 10 Magic Stones, 1 Ritual Stone. Should take 48h to build.

Note: Circles should always be an odd number x an odd number. This is because the pawn using the circle is required to stand in the middle of it.

There are two kinds of ritual circles, one-off and 'manned' circles. Both are explained below. Here's one example of each of these two types:

One-off:
(One-off circles need to be fueled with mana after being built, before being able to be used. Fuel amount is dependant on circle size, and circle size is dependant on the ritual's effects. Stronger = bigger circle. The circle will 'break' upon succesful cast, and can be repaired or dismantled for some materials back. Like normal spells, one-off circles have a cast time, which usually is several times higher than normal spells. Cast time is dependant on circle size as well.)

Banishment ritual circle
This circle, when succesfully used, will allow the caster to use a very large area spell that teleports all enemies in the area to a location far away (outside of the map). The first target will be teleported with a 100% success chance. For every target after that, there's a -10% chance, and the effect stops (doesn't target more enemies) once it fails to teleport two targets. Circle size affects teleport success chance reduction rate.


'Manned':
('Manned' circles do not need prior mana fueling to use, and are more like continuous casting, as opposed to one-off rituals. Doesn't break when used. Requires a pawn to constantly concentrate in the middle, or the spell will break. The pawn's mana is used slowly over time, or when a specific thing happens.)

Magical Barrier ritual circle
This circle will activate whenever a pawn starts concentrating on it. It creates a barrier (size dependant on ritual circle size) that blocks enemy entry to it. Enemies will attempt to break the barrier and gain entry. Consumes very little mana over time to keep the barrier up, but consumes an average amount for every point of damage that the barrier receives. Allies and neutral entities can pass the barrier freely, but projectiles cannot. This goes both ways.


Events

Hostile Ritual
A mage is building a ritual circle to attack your colony, and will be finished in 40h from the time of receiving the event. The mage will have a few guards to protect him. Defeating them will allow you to loot the mage (possibly for a book or some other magic item), his guards and the ritual circle, as well as avoiding damage to your colony. Failure in defeating the event in time will result in the colony being struck by a random ritual.

Well its a shame that i cant get the teleport spell to work, anyway its a good mod

I noticed some other issues: If I aim at the exact same locations where the summoner stands, something really weird happened. The summoner seems to have crashed... I can't interact with him anymore and the colonist bar was shaking with some strange noise. Only do this, if you have saved before! :D There should be also a notification, that the caster can't use this spell at this location.

Secondly, if my Minion is incapacitated, my colonists will rescue him to an animal bed. But only one second after he is rescued, the incapacitated symbol pops up again, and the colonist will have to rescue him again. And again. And again...
It seems to be impossible to bandage him. My solution for now is to kill him.

Thirdly, you can buy a defense pylon at the trader. Is this intended? Shouldn't it be only placed by mages?

The last issue is, that reloading a game after a item/creature is summoned, there seems to be a problem with the despawn.
I placed a portal and when I loaded this save, my portal did instantly explode (Im sure, that 60 seconds weren't expired at this time). When I loaded a save where I had summoned Minions, they didn't despawn after the summon duration expired. Much later, they were killed in battle. I don't know if you fixed this issue with the new update, I did not try it again.

Quote from: Jan2607 on December 23, 2017, 08:52:34 PM
The summoner seems to have crashed... I can't interact with him anymore and the colonist bar was shaking with some strange noise.

Sounds like a good idea for a new spell.

Flashback
Targetted spell that causes target to have flashbacks about some trauma they have suffered. Pawn affected by it will be shaking and unable to react for a while.

Quote from: Jan2607 on December 23, 2017, 08:52:34 PM
Thirdly, you can buy a defense pylon at the trader. Is this intended? Shouldn't it be only placed by mages?

You can also use "Elemental Dust" as meat, keep elementals as permanent pets if they get downed and you rescue them, if they get infection, they will slowly die since it cannot be treated, colonists will desperately attempt to repair pylons, despite the fact that it'll disappear soon... There are quite a few problems and bugs. The summoner class is new however, so bugs are bound to happen. I'm sure Torann will take a look at it.

I know, that bugs will happen, this is why I report them ;)

How does the sniper training work? When I use it, nothing happens (shooting experience does not increase). Am I missing something?

Quote from: Jan2607 on December 25, 2017, 07:57:15 AM
I know, that bugs will happen, this is why I report them ;)

How does the sniper training work? When I use it, nothing happens (shooting experience does not increase). Am I missing something?

it is used by physical adepts, when used it gives them access to sniper abilities and changes the physical adept trait to Sharpshooter

Oh okay, so it does not increase the shooting skill of a legendary sniper and it won't level up a sharpshooter to a legendary sniper?

Quote from: Jan2607 on December 25, 2017, 10:16:00 AM
Oh okay, so it does not increase the shooting skill of a legendary sniper and it won't level up a sharpshooter to a legendary sniper?

not that I'm aware. I haven't tested it much, but AFAIK it works exactly as magic books for magic users.

So the way the "sniper training" works is that it activates the changes to your trait.
Trait levels are: sharpshooter, sniper, master sniper, legendary sniper.  Each of those traits corresponds to a training level.  So when you put a point into sniper training, you should be able to use the sniper skill (which looks like it does nothing visible) but should remove the old trait and upgrade to the corresponding sniper trait level.  So if you've invested 2 points into the "sniper training" skill, then use the ability, it should remove the old sniper trait and give your pawn the Master Sniper trait.  If that's not happening, let me know. 

As far as the summoned objects/creatures not maintaining the timers - this was an oversight and I need to add save parameters to summoned objects so the correct behavior continues after a load.  I'll add this to the next update, but it should resolve the issues with teleport instantly being destroyed upon a load as well as summoned creatures remaining indefinitely after a load (and not disappearing on "down' etc).

So to become a sniper, your pawn still has to be gifted? That is kinda harsh.
Also kudos to the staves and cloaks idea posted before.

Will you add a ninja class?

Alright, thank you, Torann :)

Is there a limit how many spells a mage can learn?
Do you have plans to give the Warlock more Upgrades? I would love to have a range upgrade for the blink spell, so I can chase fleeing enemies over the map. And maybe a non-lethal combat spell for the Warlock, so I can chase enemies AND capture them without killing them :D

QuoteSo to become a sniper, your pawn still has to be gifted? That is kinda harsh.

Gifted can't be snipers, only "physically adept."  The Sniper trait is only one bonus among the extra abilities they learn for becoming a sniper.

QuoteWill you add a ninja class?

No plans for a ninja class at this time; the next stamina based class will likely be the blade dancer who will have several rapid strike, melee capabilities.

QuoteIs there a limit how many spells a mage can learn?

No spell limit that I've been able to reach, which includes added abilities from other mods.

QuoteDo you have plans to give the Warlock more Upgrades? I would love to have a range upgrade for the blink spell, so I can chase fleeing enemies over the map. And maybe a non-lethal combat spell for the Warlock, so I can chase enemies AND capture them without killing them

More stand-alone spells as well as the warlock "master spell" are still planned.  The master spell for warlock will most likely be critical in the creation of a stable portal that can link two sites.
As for chasing enemies, that seems tedious... why not just summon the enemy into a prison?  ;)

Well, he is still armed and dangerous then :D Maybe a disarm spell, where his weapon dissolves? :D

Ive run into an odd issue, sometimes ill go have a pawn learn a new spell via scroll and it says they cant learn it? no errors or anything , ill mess around with it to see if i can find the problem.

Posting few ideas today because the second class i'll post has a good concept in my opinion, so i thought it'd be nice to post it as soon as possible.
Reminder that skills and spells can be levelled, so the numbers and etc here can be changed over time.

Spells

Freeze Ground (water/scroll)
Freezes a medium-sized area on target location. Any pawns that walk on it that aren't water mages have a 50% chance per tile to slip and fall (1s stun).
Melts after 20s if temperatures are above freezing. If temperatures are below freezing, the only way to remove the spell is to use the Dry Ground spell.

Combat Portal (arcane/scroll)
Creates a portal near to you and a portalon the target location. The one spawned next to you will be the income portal, and the other the outcome.
Income portals can be shot with area of effect spells, and the outcome portal will then use said spell on itself, dealing it's effects to nearby pawns.
The outcome portal can be attacked by enemies in order to end the spell early, though spells cast on the income portal will deal 0 damage on either portals.


Items
The following item will be used by one of the classes mentioned in this post.

Spirit Sword (Legendary item)
Spirit Swords are very rare weapons that can only be equipped if the pawn is a Spiritblade. These weapons are living beings, and were crafted in such a way that they cannot be damaged or destroyed. Found very rarely through trade with the magic faction, or somewhat rarely in the Magical Ruins event i briefly mentioned in a post on the 22nd. These weapons come with one of 3 different personalities, which directly impact how well the Spiritblade will use his skills:

Calculist: Increase in effects for skills with side effects on the target enemy, while decreasing overall damage from the attack.
Reaper: Increase damage from the attacks, while decreasing the effects and duration of side effects on the target.
Tactician: Keeps a good balance of the two, increasing both a little.

Spirit Swords can die, however. After bonding with a Spiritblade, Spirit Swords require sustenance in the form of Mana Crystals. They require one Mana Crystal every 24 hours, and will die if not fed after 6-12 hours past the initial 24 hours. If the Spirit Sword dies, the owner will suffer heavy brain damage.
Feeding can be automated, similar to how pawns walk to get food to eat. Spiritblades should be able to carry 2 Mana Crystals on their inventory, similar to how pawns carry meals around.


Classes

Spellsword
Melee fighter that uses magical melee attacks to strike their enemies. (Uses mana, magically adept)
Example of spells:

Passive:

Anti-magic Training
Pawn has 50% resistance to magic damage.

Active:

Void Slash
Targetted attack that slashes the air in front of you, creating a void blade that goes straight ahead, piercing up to 4 enemies. Medium range. Can cut projectiles that pass by it, destroying the projectile.

Countershock
Counters the next melee attack received, negating full damage and slashing the target at high speed with a thunder-imbued blade. Stuns enemy hit for 5s.
Deals more internal damage than external. Ranged attacks cannot be countered, but can be blocked. Blocks up to 10 ranged attacks. Explosive ranged attacks can be blocked, nullifying the projectile damage, but the explosion damage cannot be blocked.

Acidic Blade
Encase your weapon in a protective layer of mana and cover it with a corrosing acid for 20s. Attacks dealt while this is active ignores all armor.

Heightened Senses (master)
The pawn uses a large amount of mana to heighten their senses and be able to parry every single attack with their weapon. Lasts a short while and makes the pawn immune to any direct damage, excluding fire, explosions and aoe effects. Pawn loses 20% sight and consciouness when the effect ends, for 2 in-game hours.


Spiritblade (Physically adept, uses Stamina)
Melee fighter that uses a special, living weapon. Useless without his weapon, but powerful when wielding one. Skills are primarily based on his weapon.
After gaining the basic skills, new skills can only be learned by talking with your weapon after a certain amount of days has passed since bonding.
If the Spirit Sword dies, the owner will lose all skills, and revert back to having only Bond. Bonding with a new sword will only give the basic skills, requiring time to learn skills again.

Starting skill:

Bond
Bonds with the equipped Spirit Sword, making it unequipable and enabling Spiritblade basic skills.

Basic skills:

Soul Pierce
Pierces the enemy soul, dealing no damage to the body, but leaving the pawn downed for 10s, and inflicts a new permanent injury, "Weakened Soul".
Weakened Soul permanently reduces all skills by 3, and decreases manipulation by 30%. Each pawn can only have one of this injury, and the only way to heal it is with Healer Mech Serums and a new Druid spell. High stamina cost.

Ethereal Blade
Attack that ignores the target's armor and skin, dealing only internal damage.


Example of other skills:

Equillibrium
This skill has a base damage of 10 and a 5% chance of causing panic on hit. The Spiritblade will deal +1 damage for every mood point below 50%, and has +1% chance of causing panic for every mood point above 50%. If the Spiritblade is at exactly 50% mood, both stats will be maxed, as if it were at 0% and 100% mood simultaneously.

Mutual Trust (passive)
For every day that passes since bonding, this skill will give +0.1% in every category on the health tab (sight, manipulation, etc), for a max of 500 days.
After day 500, the Spiritblade will receive +0.1% stamina regeneration for every day that passes, with no cap (doesn't include the first 500 days).

Draw Power
Drains the Spirit Sword of 6 hours worth of sustenance (cannot be used if this would cause the sword to die), and fully restores the owner's stamina.
3 in-game hours later, the user will gain an injury that reduces manipulation by 50%. Heals after one day of not using stamina. Using stamina during this period has a chance to worsen the effects, and granting a permanent -10% manipulation, that can only be cured with Healer Mech Serums and a new Druid spell. 1 in-game day cooldown.

Materialize Spirit (master)
Materializes the spirit within the sword for a short duration. The spirit will target the closes enemy on the map, and relentlessly chase it until it dies, then switch targets, and repeat until time's up. The spirit has level 20 melee, and has the same skills the Spiritblade that owns him has, except skills that require a Spirit Sword to make sense to be usable (such as this one and Bond). The spirit will focus on skills that use the same type of bonuses that their personality has. The spirit has high hp, similar to that of a thrumbo. If the spirit dies, it simply will return to the sword. Costs 100% stamina.


Events

Arcane Stash overhaul
Arcane Stash events would occur, then when you got to the location, there would be a large building with maze-like halls and possible traps. The walls would be made of some magical stone (re-use of an existing texture), and would be nearly unbreakable (over 500k hp), so you'd need to just go through the door.
Inside, enemies may be found randomly, mostly mages or squads of factions that want the loot, which are searching for it. Once you kill all hostiles inside, a room will open, which will contain the treasures. Squads should be composed of 2-5 members each. Magic should not be necessary to overcome this event.


Other

Once research is added, researching for long periods could cause mental stress. Overworking on research can worsen it.

Edit:

As some said before, there appears to be a problem with the Teleport spell, in which it isn't working. Doesn't give any mentions or anything. You cast it, and it doesn't come up. I tried doing it on a few different surfaces, all of which were unroofed.

Quote from: blizzardwolf420 on December 26, 2017, 01:45:54 PM
Ive run into an odd issue, sometimes ill go have a pawn learn a new spell via scroll and it says they cant learn it? no errors or anything , ill mess around with it to see if i can find the problem.

Some spells are class-locked. Example, blizzard is water mage only.

it wasnt one of the master spells  it was one of the new ones, i was trying to tech my thunder mage to learn charge battery. all my other pawns could learn it tho

The dream of a civillian.
Free power from lightning mage, and a fire mage burns the waste.
Water mage for the cleanness and thirst, and the earth mage for all the resources.

Had a trade ship that sold seeds of regrowth... Since they're so cheap, they had over a hundred of them, so I bought 50. Then I learned they don't stack.

I guess they're meant to be non-tradable? Oh well, at least I'll be ready if I ever get a druid...

They have no value, I just need to figure out a way to make them so they can't be traded.  I don't want an item that's summoned to be traded and I didn't want to require a trade to do limb regrowth (otherwise why not just go bionic) so this is what I settled with.  But if someone knows how to make an item so it'll never show up in a trade menu, would love to know how.  none of the values I messed with seem to make any difference.

Stone chunks in Core have the line

    <tradeability>Never</tradeability>

About the teleport problem, i don't know how much time in-game passed, probably around 10-20 days since i cast the spell and it didn't work, but just now i received the message that it collapsed, and two messages that i had an invalid location.

Arcane bandits event reward :

Arcane Script: Water
Ambrosia bush
Ambrosia bush

I don't know how they intend to give me ambrosia bush, but I'm tempted to try this now...

Update : Two ambrosia sprouts at 5% growth have spawned where the pods dropped near my trade beacon. One of them is over stone, giving it only 4% less growth rate than the one on gravel.

Quote from: henk on December 27, 2017, 09:34:24 PM
Arcane bandits event reward :

Arcane Script: Water
Ambrosia bush
Ambrosia bush

I don't know how they intend to give me ambrosia bush, but I'm tempted to try this now...

(https://i.imgur.com/8pykyfu.png)

Quote from: henk on December 27, 2017, 08:02:39 PM
Stone chunks in Core have the line

    <tradeability>Never</tradeability>

nice, ill give that a shot, thanks.

Hey Torann, I'm loving playing your mod, but when I load up my endgame save, it shows this error every 10 seconds or so.

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Little bug i notice (1.5)
Every time i load the safegame, i got more minions and elements then before.
I got serveral erros on start too, i think based on the druid class.

https://gist.github.com/b3d103e0df8742fb4ae1c4b170083de6

I noticed there are some spell scrolls that are not tied to one class. But in the description of the scrolls it states "It teaches an arcane user how...". That is a bit confusing, because I think only my arcane mage can use it. Can you give an overview, what spells can be learned by all mages?

Quote from: Jan2607 on December 29, 2017, 04:51:11 PM
I noticed there are some spell scrolls that are not tied to one class. But in the description of the scrolls it states "It teaches an arcane user how...". That is a bit confusing, because I think only my arcane mage can use it. Can you give an overview, what spells can be learned by all mages?

Good point, I'll look at rewording "arcane user" to "mage" so that it's more general as the Arcanist aka Warlock is a user of "arcane magic," and then rewording the class only skills to match the trait name exactly.
That being said, it will usually say "fire mage" or "an ice mage" if it is class specific.

Just pushed out a new update:
B18 v1.5.2
Bug fix - mages can no longer attempt to summon themselves.
Bug fix - mages travelling in caravans would generate an exception error every several seconds, this should no longer occur.
Cure Disease (druid) - no longer categorized as "violent"

All spells that occured over a period of time now retain the spell properties through a game load, this includes the following spells: Eye of the Storm, Summon Pylon, Summon Minion, Summon Explosive, Summon Elemental, Teleport, Regeneration, Poison, Lightning Storm, Lightning Cloud, Firestorm and Blizzard.
This should resolve a lot of the problems people were having with summoned creatures as well since the expected behavior (to disappear when downed or after a set time) was not carrying through a load.

Summonable buildings (such as summon pylon or heater) are no longer buildable through normal means.
Summonable items and buildings should no longer appear in any trade menu.
Seed of Life will now deteriorate (quickly) if un-roofed and will require refrigeration.

Arcane Camp event has had the reward ambrosia plant replaced with ambrosia fruit.
Pawns can now be healed while wearing a shield belt (or shield belt "like" item)

New master spell - Eye of the Storm: lightning mage (storm born) only, releases a ball of electrical energy to fly along a set path, striking objects and creatures at random.
Note: Eye of the Storm is master spell and can be improved with skills, however, since the data fields were added in this patch, old lightning mages (mages with the storm born trait prior to this patch) will not show the ability/skills in the magic tab - you will need to use the "reset powers" button in the magic tab (visible only in god mode) to make the level up options visible.  And yes, it will clear all points invested into skills/powers but the ability points will be refunded so you can re-invest.  Xp and mage level should remain unchanged.

Quote from: billyma6 on December 28, 2017, 04:55:33 PM
Hey Torann, I'm loving playing your mod, but when I load up my endgame save, it shows this error every 10 seconds or so.

Should be fixed in the latest update.

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Every time i load the safegame, i got more minions and elements then before.

Should be fixed for all new summons ,though I didn't do any tests with old summons existing from a saved game.

Quote from: Torann on December 29, 2017, 06:52:23 PM

Should be fixed for all new summons ,though I didn't do any tests with old summons existing from a saved game.

Old summons in save games seem not to be affected by the bug fix.
Thank you for your work :)

Can you make it possible in the future, to edit the amount of gifted pawns in the world, by using mod settings. I'd like to play around with it, since I had this mod for 2 and half weeks now, no gifted pawns, although I did get one physically adept.

I agree to RyanRim,
special that your own magical pawn are very powerful. 10% of the raiders should have own magical pawn too, and they should use their abilities !

Any plan's to banish/euthanize summoned creatures on command ?
Minion's bleed my ground faster then my other yellow minion's can clear the floor.

It would be great if mages could automatically take mana potions in their inventory (or at least an option to command them to do so).
I have lots of those potions, but for the most part my mages don't run out of mana while they are relaxing in the mana storage :D
When I really need them (in combat or while raiding camps), there are no potions around, so I need them in inventory.

Quote from: Jan2607 on December 30, 2017, 03:52:40 PM
It would be great if mages could automatically take mana potions in their inventory (or at least an option to command them to do so).
I have lots of those potions, but for the most part my mages don't run out of mana while they are relaxing in the mana storage :D
When I really need them (in combat or while raiding camps), there are no potions around, so I need them in inventory.

Grab Combat Extended (https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=33461.555) which allows you to create loadouts in the assign tab where you can have your mages always carry around mana potions and whatever you want for whatever other pawn as well. Meals, bandage or med kits and I'd say even some beers if you want, but judging by your username you might have quite a ways to your 18th birthday yet  :P

Quote from: Canute on December 30, 2017, 02:17:11 PM
Any plan's to banish/euthanize summoned creatures on command ?

You mean like the developer tools "destroy" command?   :P

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Grab Combat Extended which allows you to create loadouts in the assign tab

I didn't realize Combat Extended could do that.  I've considered making a small mod that acts as a toolbelt that would give an item slot(s) that shows up as a button to "use" whatever you have stored in the toolbelt slot.  I'll have to check out CE... been meaning to do that anyways.  ::)

Quote from: Torann on December 30, 2017, 11:36:49 PM

Quote from: Canute on December 30, 2017, 02:17:11 PM
Any plan's to banish/euthanize summoned creatures on command ?

You mean like the developer tools "destroy" command?   :P

Yep,
i can understand that the current phase is still at development.

But from the magic lore side, a summoner should be able to release/send back their summons.

An idea for the Mass teleport.
Currently it just works like a Transport pod but with very limited time to load it, even at skill level 3.
This might works well for attack runs, when you got a temp. map at the destination to create another portal.
But for a trade run it looks different, you don't got a temp. map, i just try out Setup-camp to create temp. maps.
So maybe a 2. Mass teleport option as trade-run would be nice.
You create a portal, fill it with fuel, then select a friendly outpost at range, and start a trading with that outpost and your colony stockpile.
Maybe this option need  100% mana and is only availble when you got lvl 3 at all massteleport skills.

Passive skills

Lichdom (passive unnatributed/scroll)
Learning this passive skill transforms the user into a lich. Liches are hurt by daylight, healed by absolute darkness (0% light only), and cannot regenerate naturally without darkness. Sun lamps also hurt liches. Paladin spells are 2x as effective on liches - but instead of healing, it damages them. Liches gain a 30% damage reduction against physical attacks, 50% mana cost reduction, and only need 5 hours of sleep per day. Liches gain a special spell that creates an aura of decay around them, which follow them and doesn't spread. Liches are unnafected by decay, mind-affecting spells, common (non-magical) diseases, and are unable to do do social work (except wardening), and taming. If a prisoner has spoken to a lich warden, they will be unable to attempt to escape for 24h.
Once npcs can cast spells, paladins will always focus on enemy liches first, in an attempt to destroy them. Pawns will like the lich by -50 points on the Social tab.


Spells

Decay (Unnatributed/scroll)
Cast on a corpse to create a decay zone 5x5 around it. Living things that enter the decay zone take 1 damage to a random body part every second, and quickly gain toxic build up. After 15 days, the decay zone will increase 1x1 every day, until it controls the whole map. Can be cleansed with the new spell, Cleanse.

Cleanse (druid/paladin/scroll)
Cast on a pawn to decrease the effects of toxins in the body. Can be used on the ground to cleanse a 10x10 area of decay. The caster can choose to use up all his mana and fall unconscious for 12 hours in exchange for cleansing all the decay on the map.


Quake (Unnatributed/scroll)
Causes a weak, short earthquake on the map. Damages wooden buildings between 5 and 40 hp. Pawns within 20x20 of the epicenter (targeted spell) have a 70% chance to fall and hurt their legs slightly, and a 1% chance to fall and hit their head, leaving the pawn unconcious.

Soul Link (Unnatributed/scroll)
Links your soul with another pawn's, requiring at least mutual 75 points or higher on the Social tab (meaning both pawns must like eachother for at least 75 points). While this skill is active, any damage that affects a pawn will be halved, and that half will be passed on the second pawn, virtually granting double hp, but risking two pawns. The spell ends when recast (casting while it's active costs 1 mana), or when either pawn gets downed/unconcious.

Mana Shield (Unnatributed/scroll)
This spell creates a shield around the player that lasts until cast again or mana goes below 10%. Costs 0 mana to cast. Nullifies any damage taken, instead reducing mana by 1% for every 4 points of damage. Damage from fire/frostbite is not nullified, and does not consume mana.

Healing Field (Paladin master spell)
Creates a large zone in the targetted spot, that casts the Heal spell on everyone inside 3 times over 12 seconds. The Heal spell stats will be the same as the user's.

Undo (Warlock master spell)
Resets the cooldown for all skills for every pawn. Very high mana cost.

Reverse Summon (Summoner master spell)
Summons a permanently drafted minion with infinite duration. The minion has a skill that summons the summoner to the minion, and sends the minion back to whatever plane of existence it came from. This spell cannot be cast while a Reverse Minion is alive, and only enters cooldown when the summoner is reverse summoned. Costs 100% mana, as to keep a minion on this plane of existence for an extended period of time. Works across different maps, with unlimited range. The minion cannot join a caravan, or use transport pods and teleporters/portals.


Items

Memory Crystal
This item can be used to remove spells gained with scrolls from pawns, and adding it to the crystal. The crystal could then be used to pass the knowledge to another pawn, destroying the crystal in the proccess. Figments of the owner's mind also get transferred, meaning that if you have a pawn with, say, alzheimer, the pawn learning the spell has a small chance of developing alzheimer. For this reason, a crystal filled with a spell sells for 0 silver, as it's much safer to learn from scrolls than from unknown crystals. These crystals can be filled with a lot of mana, then destroyed to cast a much stronger version of the spell stored within. Empty Memory Crystals are somewhat rare due to the fact that they have only recently been created, and are hard to manufacture. Time passed since the start of the game influences the base price of these crystals, lowering by 2% per year, up to a reduced 20% after 10 years.


Other

Add a new function to spells when you fully level up all of it's attributes. One example:
Eye of the storm could be recast once (costing no mana) to change it's trajectory.

Add late-game spells that unlock via experimenting with living pawns. Would work together with research, and somewhat similarly to it. The steps would be:

1: Research some spell. At the end of the research, you would unlock a prototype spell scroll for crafting (in a crafting station of your choice), which would cost a few wood, some mana depending on the spell and sell for 0 silver.

2: Use the prototype spell. Gain exp on the spell by hitting living pawns with it. Some spells require the pawn to be below, at or above a certain grade of intelligence for it to grant exp. Gain much lowered exp if the pawn dies from the spell. Non-humanoid targets give lowered exp as spells are most often created to use against humanoids. Spells that do not affect a living pawn gain exp by using it to 'test' the effect they would give when fully developed. Exp gained for the prototype spells are shared between pawns, so more pawns testing = faster completion. Experimenting/developing the spell consists of casting the spell with effects varying between 20% and 200% power, and a 50% chance of failing to cast. The first 20% exp will have a 80% chance of failing to cast. These prototype spells are volatile, and so, sometimes you will get underised effects, such as mental breaks or side effects from the spells.

3: After reaching 100% exp (should take a while), you will unlock the full spell on any pawn that has the prototype spell, while removing the prototype one. New scrolls of said prototype spell would be full scrolls. Prototype scrolls will remain prototype scrolls and will be unusable. New scrolls will cost more expensive materials, and can be sold for a good amount or used to learn the spell.

Make it so the Muscle Parasite disease drains stamina from Physical classes.

Happy new year~

Quote from: Toketsu on December 31, 2017, 03:23:09 PM
Lichdom (passive unnatributed/scroll)

Neat idea.  I'm working on the necromancer (and bladedancer) right now and I think something like this might be what I'd use as a master spell for the necro class.  That being said, just by looking at what Jecrell had to do in the ROM Vampires mod and all the overrides he had to make to get vampires to act intelligently in sunlight... that whole piece is going to be beyond what I can implement.  So, a toned down, RimWorld of Magic centered passive would probably be more what I'd go for.  A lich passive would: gain mana faster, does not require sleep, does not require food, joy is always neutral, not affected by age, not affected by terrain movement penalties, causes an instant distrust by all pawns except masochist, psychopath, and bloodlust.  Maybe disable sight as well...
Thoughts?
There will also be room for 'undead' destroying spells in the future.

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Soul Link (Unnatributed/scroll)

There's a mod called "blood pact" that does almost exactly this, though not sure if it was updated to B18.

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Mana Shield (Unnatributed/scroll)

Hmm, yes... yes I like.  :D

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Healing Field (Paladin master spell)

Nope.  Priest spell (non-master) - already decided.  Priest master will be resurrection.  But, that does bring up the point... what master spell should the paladin get?  Offensive or defensive?  He has a foot in each path...

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Undo (Warlock master spell)

I've messed around with trying to reduce cool-down timers before with no success... but now that I'm thinking about it, if I wanted to 'reset' the spell, that's entirely possible...

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Memory Crystal

Nice item ideas, I'll add it to my (growing) list of item types I'd like to make.

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Add a new function to spells when you fully level up all of it's attributes. One example:
Eye of the storm could be recast once (costing no mana) to change it's trajectory.

This... would be frickin' sweet.  I'll have to see though, if this was implemented across the board then it would basically double the amount of spells... that's a lot of work.  :'(

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An idea for the Mass teleport.

I will be implementing a mass/enduring teleport soon, will likely be included in the next patch or the one after.  This will be the "master" spell for the Warlock class.  How I'm hoping to make it work:
1. Enduring teleporter that links two sites.  Each site will 'construct' a teleporter building (would require a warlock with the spell learned, much like a druid with regrowth learned to successfully perform a limb regrowth surgery) and then the teleport pair will need to be identified.  Each teleporter would only be able to link to one other teleporter.  Any pawn could then walk up to and 'use' an active portal which would instantly move the pawn between the linked portals.  Movement would drain the teleporter of fuel stores.  Teleporters would be refueled either by a mage (any magic type) infusing it with mana, or by a non-mage type infusing it with mana potions. 
1.a I may also include a stockpile zone linked to the teleporter (like a trade beacon zone) and be able to transport all items in the stockpile to its paired teleporter stockpile zone.
2. The second option would be through using the ability.  Once used, it would bring the player to the world map where they would select a friendly faction town.  Once selected, a trade menu with all items inside stockpile zones (or maybe ill just do all items on the casters map) would be available to trade with and you would have the option to trade for whatever the town would normally trade as if a caravan had initiated the trade.  No fuel involved, though I would make it cost a significant amount of mana.

I'm working on the necromancer and blade dancer right now.
Necromancer core functionality will revolve around his ability to create and use undead.  The undead will require a recently deceased corpse (humanoid or animal) and will destroy the corpse on use.  The corpse will then become an obedient servant to the necromancer, indefinitely (caveats).  For each undead under the necro's control, he/she will gain less mana per turn, until he's no longer gaining mana, but losing it.  So there will be no hard cap to the number of undead the necro can have, though I expect the number will be around 4-6 before mana loss starts.  The necro will be able to mark a pawn for death, after a certain amount of time the marked target will die and become undead (I'll implement some counter-measure in the future, once ai can cast spells).  Other than this costly "mark" ability, the necro will be able to create a fog of torment, which will slow and kill any inside (except undead, who will be immune to the fog).  So the necro will be fairly weak without his undead.  The necro will be able to do several things with undead, however, to add diversity to the class.  The first thing will be an ability to siphon power from an undead - never more than it costs to create the undead.  This will give life and mana back to the necro, but instantly destroy the undead.  The second ability will allow the necro to make the undead a walking bomb - after a short amount of time, the undead will explode.  Undead should be able to do things most pawns can do - albeit at a set, fairly poor, skill level.  Necromancers will get a social penalty with paladins (and priests).

The blade dancer will be a melee glass cannon.  They'll receive two sets of passives for improved damage, movement, melee hit chance, dodge and even pain resistance, but will have no class abilities to mitigate damage like the gladiator or paladin have.  The skills the blade dancer will get will be high in stamina cost, but very short cooldown.  They will have two primary strikes - blade spin, which will instantly strike everything nearby, and seismic slash, which will strike all enemies in a line.  The final skill, phase strike, will be crucial to their survivability and allow the blade dancer to instantly move between locations (think blink), upon exiting from a phased move, he'll strike everything nearby, if the enemy isn't facing the blade dancer, it will have a chance to incapacitate or hamstring the opponent.

Hope to have the class update out by the end of next week, then I'll focus on some of the supplemental features.  Anyways, happy new years!

Quote from: Torann on December 31, 2017, 07:23:50 PM

Quote from: Toketsu on December 31, 2017, 03:23:09 PM

Don't worry, i know a ton of the stuff i post might be very hard/impossible to implement, and i post everything with the mindset that it'll be rejected. Though, posting even if you know it won't be implemented isn't useless, as you, the creator, may gain some ideas from what i said, and implement some other stuff.

About Lichdom, i'm not sure how hard this is, but, how about forcing the lich to go to sleep from 5 am to 5 pm? This way, he'd never have trouble with the sun, any damage taken would be minimal, and would recover during sleep. Could work similarly to how ROM Vampires work, as in they have 100% Rest during the night, and 10% during the day.

Soul Link idea came from a MMO that i used to play, which had a similar feature.

About the paladin master spell, spells don't necessarily have to be offensive or defensive, right? o-o
How about this:
Divine Ray (Paladin master spell)
A ray of light falls from the sky in a large area, dealing 1 damage to a random body part of all enemies and neutrals, and healing 1 damage to a random damaged body part of allies and friendlies.
Lasts 10 seconds. With the power and duration full upgrades, it would deal/heal 4 damage, and last 20 seconds, making it really strong. There should be no mana cost reduction skill for this one, however, there could be a stat to increase it's size.

If you want any specific item ideas, please mention, and i'll try to come up with something interesting/unique. Vague ideas of what you might want should be enough to make something.

I can imagine it'd take a ton of work to basically double the amount of spells, so why not do a few at a time? Like 3-4 per patch or something. Could start with the non-master spells, as to not make master spells immensely more powerful than others.

I might not provide a ton of ideas in the coming days as i'm currently dry - need to play/watch more stuff to renew my ideas meter. Time for another anime marathon! See you in a while, if i don't die from starvation o-o

How about some more "civil" spells that help you in the daily work and not in combat?
Some ideas:
- a spell that finishes a craftable object instantly or at least reduces the work to make (helpful for art or weapon smithing)
- similar to the extinguish spell a cleaning spell that cleans up all dirt in a defined zone.
- summon bed: Your summoner can summon a magical bed that lasts for a few days. Very useful while fighting other factions on temorary maps and you need a prisoner bed asap. Optional: Summon medical bed.
- summon a cow: Run out of food suplies? Just summon a cow, slaughter it and make a BBQ party.
- family therapy: Using this spell on another colonist will make him and his archenemy to best friends (+50 relationship on both sides).
- protection spell that works like Penoxycyline and protecs your colony from diseases. The difference is that it will protect all your colonists. Will last for a few days and the caster will use a lot of mana.
- item: witches broom (needs to be equipped as weapon and user can't carry any other weapon while using it): your colonists can fly and thus move 300% faster then usually. Downside: Your colonist will not be able to defend himself while sitting on the broom.
- workbench: arcane smithing table - your mages can craft magical items here (e.g. a broom. Wonder, what this thing will do...).

Quote from: Jan2607 on December 31, 2017, 09:21:12 PM
How about some more "civil" spells that help you in the daily work and not in combat?
Some ideas:
- a spell that finishes a craftable object instantly or at least reduces the work to make (helpful for art or weapon smithing)
- similar to the extinguish spell a cleaning spell that cleans up all dirt in a defined zone.
- summon bed: Your summoner can summon a magical bed that lasts for a few days. Very useful while fighting other factions on temorary maps and you need a prisoner bed asap. Optional: Summon medical bed.
- summon a cow: Run out of food suplies? Just summon a cow, slaughter it and make a BBQ party.
- family therapy: Using this spell on another colonist will make him and his archenemy to best friends (+50 relationship on both sides).
- protection spell that works like Penoxycyline and protecs your colony from diseases. The difference is that it will protect all your colonists. Will last for a few days and the caster will use a lot of mana.
- item: witches broom (needs to be equipped as weapon and user can't carry any other weapon while using it): your colonists can fly and thus move 300% faster then usually. Downside: Your colonist will not be able to defend himself while sitting on the broom.
- workbench: arcane smithing table - your mages can craft magical items here (e.g. a broom. Wonder, what this thing will do...).

I already suggested one that increases work speed, including a whole new class, the Crafter.

I personally don't like the idea of killing a summoned entity for materials, especially if it gives such a massive buff to social status. Extremely unbalanced.

Same goes with the therapy one.

300% speed is a bit too much, that would be on par with legendary items. I'd say a 50% boost would suffice, and could increase if imbued with Mana Crystals/Magic Stones.

Just because they're a lich doesn't mean they can't feel joy. They just prefer to see other people suffer, is all.

Personally, I would love to see the ability to craft scripts and scrolls. They are so expensive right now, you need to sell everything you own for a single one.
Or just the ability to upgrade a magically gifted pawn to a random profession for a moderate cost.

Quote from: henk on December 31, 2017, 10:45:48 PM
Just because they're a lich doesn't mean they can't feel joy. They just prefer to see other people suffer, is all.

Personally, I would love to see the ability to craft scripts and scrolls. They are so expensive right now, you need to sell everything you own for a single one.
Or just the ability to upgrade a magically gifted pawn to a random profession for a moderate cost.

Hmm, well I guess just from a personal perspective, I see a lich as a being that has sacrificed everything in pursuit of eternal power, to include their life.  Also, with a lich being undead, I typically don't think of undead as having emotions or being able to feel (physical or emotional).  Besides, in the game world, it fixes quite a few things... I mean, do you really expect a lich to go play horseshoes?

As for the costs, I'll be addressing that.  I'm going to reduce the overall costs of arcane scripts and spells by 20-40%. 
I'll also be adding 'torn scripts' that will randomly grant anywhere from none to all of the class abilities.  To acquire the remaining 'base' spells, you will spend 2-3 points to acquire the spell, and then it will function as normal.  Torn scripts will sell for significantly less than a full script (I'm thinking around 1500, unadjusted).  I'll probably also remove full scripts from all factions except the Arcane Fold.  Even so, I'm pretty happy spending 12,000 silver for a mage, which is about what I'd pay for a mod armor piece...

I'm also thinking of introducing an item that will grant the base traits, so if you have a particular pawn, it'll be possible to train them to an adept, then full mage/fighter.  I'm not 100% convinced this is a good solution, but I have gotten quite a few requests for something like this, as well as statements where the magic characters are too rare during a playthrough that's not directed through something like EdB prepare carefully.  The solution for this might just to be a starting scenario though.  I'm happy with the spawn rates of mage/physical adepts.

As far as the items, I feel like there are two large roadblocks to implementing what I want to do.
1. Useable items need to be able to be picked up and stored in a way that allows the pawn to carry and use the item at will, similar to the item belt from diablo. 
2. Jewelry seems like it deserves a unique slot, similar to the belt slot.  I think Jecstools already accounts for items having abilities, I just haven't played around with those functions yet.
Anyways, after this next class update, I'll be looking at items.

Quote from: Torann on January 01, 2018, 12:31:48 AM
I mean, do you really expect a lich to go play horseshoes?

You should make it so liches can only gain joy from horseshoes o-o

Seriously now, prices are good enough as they are. Sure, it's expensive, but you can make that money fast enough, and spells are a strong, semi-permanent weapon (only loses it when the pawn dies).

Also, as for the Eye of the storm spell, is it intended for the caster to get hit by the spell right after casting? Becuase if it is, then it's the most useless spell ever. Making pawns blind for the sake of dealing some damage isn't worth it o-o

Quote from: Jan2607 on December 31, 2017, 09:21:12 PM
- a spell that finishes a craftable object instantly or at least reduces the work to make (helpful for art or weapon smithing)

Bad, idea since the finish process is the one which generate the quality of the item.
I rather suggest a copy item spell, based on the market value. But that maybe need multiple casts or many mana potions in the inventory.

Quote- summon a cow: Run out of food suplies? Just summon a cow, slaughter it and make a BBQ party.

Why not like at the good old MMO, summon food/water. Get a stack of Survival meals or Mana bread (0 trading value but 1.0 Nutri and +smokeleaf joint effect).

Quote- family therapy: Using this spell on another colonist will make him and his archenemy to best friends (+50 relationship on both sides).

Mindcontrol, tztz. You evil mage. But then you could use this to calm down enemies, or beserek others too.

I usually base liches on the order of the stick, so maybe I'm biased =P

Perhaps the mod needs a new joy source? One which slowly trains magical power, and is extra joy-y for wizard pawns.

Quote from: henk on January 01, 2018, 10:23:37 AM
I usually base liches on the order of the stick, so maybe I'm biased =P

Perhaps the mod needs a new joy source? One which slowly trains magical power, and is extra joy-y for wizard pawns.

I say we wait until the mod is more developed. Research itself could provide joy, since most mages like learning stuff. Depending on the person, the same could be said to using spells. There could also be a spell that summons a temporary joy source, that can only be used by mages. Something like a Magical Rubik's cube or something.

Quote from: Toketsu on January 01, 2018, 03:15:49 AM
Also, as for the Eye of the storm spell, is it intended for the caster to get hit by the spell right after casting? Becuase if it is, then it's the most useless spell ever. Making pawns blind for the sake of dealing some damage isn't worth it o-o

The Eye of the Storm spell never directly strikes its master, however, it searches for 2 things - buildings and pawns.  It can and will strike friendly pawns.  So, it's important when casting the spell to stand away from structures, large trees, other pawns etc... otherwise the caster has a chance to be hit by discharging electricity.

Quote from: Torann on January 01, 2018, 11:03:49 AM

Quote from: Toketsu on January 01, 2018, 03:15:49 AM
Also, as for the Eye of the storm spell, is it intended for the caster to get hit by the spell right after casting? Becuase if it is, then it's the most useless spell ever. Making pawns blind for the sake of dealing some damage isn't worth it o-o

The Eye of the Storm spell never directly strikes its master, however, it searches for 2 things - buildings and pawns.  It can and will strike friendly pawns.  So, it's important when casting the spell to stand away from structures, large trees, other pawns etc... otherwise the caster has a chance to be hit by discharging electricity.

I don't remember ever being in an open field of any kind in this game, unless i'm playing on sea ice biome. A fix i can think of is making the caster immune to that spell for 2s after casting. That would solve all problems.

Hi, Torann, you said to see the Lightning's Eye of the Storm level-up thing, we needed to reset powers? I'm in Godmode but I still can't see any "reset powers" button.

Finally getting around to checking this mod out today, it looks so awesome. Now if only we could get a clothing mod with some robes, wizard hats, mage staffs, etc. ;)

Also, in the screenshot from the Steam posting, where do the teleport pods come from?

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Hi, Torann, you said to see the Lightning's Eye of the Storm level-up thing, we needed to reset powers? I'm in Godmode but I still can't see any "reset powers" button.

Hmm, if you're not playing with a vertical resolution of 900 or greater, it can hide the top portion of the magic pane...

Quote from: Harry_Dicks
Also, in the screenshot from the Steam posting, where do the teleport pods come from?

Teleport pods are created by the teleport spell.  They are only temporary and will last no more than 2.5 minutes.

Quote from: Toketsu on January 01, 2018, 11:29:18 AM
I don't remember ever being in an open field of any kind in this game, unless i'm playing on sea ice biome. A fix i can think of is making the caster immune to that spell for 2s after casting. That would solve all problems.

The tree thing was a joke.  But it will strike walls/sandbags/roofs.  I'll probably just add a brief period where it will strike nothing to give it time to fly away from the caster.

Quote from: Torann on January 01, 2018, 04:12:07 PM

Quote from: billyma6
Hi, Torann, you said to see the Lightning's Eye of the Storm level-up thing, we needed to reset powers? I'm in Godmode but I still can't see any "reset powers" button.

Hmm, if you're not playing with a vertical resolution of 900 or greater, it can hide the top portion of the magic pane...

Quote from: Harry_Dicks
Also, in the screenshot from the Steam posting, where do the teleport pods come from?

Teleport pods are created by the teleport spell.  They are only temporary and will last no more than 2.5 minutes.

Ohh, my resolution only goes up to around 700. I don't have any other resolution options so I think it's permanently locking me out of that. Any tips?

I'm condensing the card to fit on the smallest resolution size and will be included in the next patch.

Quote from: billyma6 on January 01, 2018, 05:04:40 PM
Ohh, my resolution only goes up to around 700. I don't have any other resolution options so I think it's permanently locking me out of that. Any tips?

You can switch the window to windowed mode and try to increase it vertically to taller than your monitor.

Or rotate your display 90 degrees, if you have that option.

Quote from: henk on January 01, 2018, 06:52:22 PM

Quote from: billyma6 on January 01, 2018, 05:04:40 PM
Ohh, my resolution only goes up to around 700. I don't have any other resolution options so I think it's permanently locking me out of that. Any tips?

You can switch the window to windowed mode and try to increase it vertically to taller than your monitor.

Or rotate your display 90 degrees, if you have that option.

I've tried those. Neither of them worked, so I have zero clue what to do.

Quote from: Torann on January 01, 2018, 04:12:07 PM

Quote from: billyma6
Hi, Torann, you said to see the Lightning's Eye of the Storm level-up thing, we needed to reset powers? I'm in Godmode but I still can't see any "reset powers" button.

Hmm, if you're not playing with a vertical resolution of 900 or greater, it can hide the top portion of the magic pane...

Welp, rip my trashy monitor that goes up to 1360x768 ;-;

Quote from: Torann on January 01, 2018, 05:42:58 PM
I'm condensing the card to fit on the smallest resolution size and will be included in the next patch.

Oh, good to hear o-o

Edit: Yup, you really should make that fix for eye of the storm. Two of my colonists just got downed (the caster included) without the enemy even touching me.
Don't get me wrong though - spells hurting allies and even the caster should be added, but not in this case. I'd say spells more on the 'dark' side of magic should do that kind of stuff.

Torann,
currently i got a problem with crashed psychic/poison ships. The game stoped when i shoot at the ship to spawn the mechs.
I need to shutdown the game. And since i can't find a hint at the output_log.txt i don't have a hint about this so far.

So i just destroyed the ship part and spawn a raid insted. I just execute  "ArcaneEnemyRaid" and notice it will spawn mechanoids.
So i want to ask you, these "ArcaneEnemyRaid" comes from this mod, and does it can cause problems to the droped ship events ?

Edit:
Ok, it can't be this mod either. Someone else at the general got the same problem and don't use this mod.
https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=38002.0
Ok, lets look at the next mod.

I'm currently having an issue with what looks like something about spawning a minion? Here, look at the logs, thanks!
https://gist.github.com/49f10c8b0ee3fd5d301ed70d45aea4ce

It appears every tick and doesn't look like it's going away soon.

Quote from: Canute on January 03, 2018, 04:27:02 AM
Torann,
currently i got a problem with crashed psychic/poison ships. The game stoped when i shoot at the ship to spawn the mechs.
I need to shutdown the game. And since i can't find a hint at the output_log.txt i don't have a hint about this so far.

So i just destroyed the ship part and spawn a raid insted. I just execute  "ArcaneEnemyRaid" and notice it will spawn mechanoids.
So i want to ask you, these "ArcaneEnemyRaid" comes from this mod, and does it can cause problems to the droped ship events ?

Edit:
Ok, it can't be this mod either. Someone else at the general got the same problem and don't use this mod.
https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=38002.0
Ok, lets look at the next mod.

The "ArcaneEnemyRaid" was only set to spawn during the ArcaneStash event.  This event was left ingame so it wouldn't cause issues with people that had this event active in their game, but the spawn chance was reduced to 0% until I can rework some of the components of the event.  It shouldn't have anything to do with the poison ship event though...

Quote from: billyma6 on January 03, 2018, 11:32:12 AM
I'm currently having an issue with what looks like something about spawning a minion? Here, look at the logs, thanks!

Looking at the issue, it may be possible when two minions are summoned and the primary dies/despawns but the second remains alive until the end of the duration to cause this issue, I'll do some testing and see if that's the case.

Edit: Sorry for the huge wall of text, but if this makes you feel any better, this would be 2-3x longer if i didn't have short-term memory and forget most of the stuff before i have a chance to write it. Now i need to go get some rest, because writing all that in a hurry as to not forget made me tired and somewhat dizzy ;-;. Enjoy the read, please mention thoughts on it.

Classes

Hexhunter (Stamina) (This class is not supposed to be added until the AI can use magic)
The first class to take up arms against magic of all forms, the Hexhunter is a mix between ranged and melee that is very versatile in taking down magic users, but not very good against other magical things. As with all first things of something, this class has it's pros and cons. Quite a few cons with it's abilities. Needless to say, pawns of this class abhor magic and magic users. Due to all the cons and the fact that it's the oldest style of anti-magic combat, people generally choose not to learn this class and will often learn others. This causes the rarity of this class to be much higher than the usual. Some examples of skills:

Passive skills:

Absorb (has a rare scroll)
Magical attacks that hit a Hexhunter have a 50% chance of being absorbed and transformed into stamina on hit. Every 1 damage becomes 1% stamina. Absorbing too much mana in a short amount of time (more than 100% stamina gained in under 30 seconds) can cause mental breaks, with possible brain damage. Higher levels of this skill add a new stat that wards off damage as a way to lower the chances of absorbing too much. If damage isn't absorbed, it's reduced by 50%.

Active skills:

Dash (has a scroll)
Low-cost skill with low cooldown that allows the pawn to move extremely fast in a small space (blink spell, but with max range of 3). User has a small chance to become nauseous with consecutive uses in a short while, with chance increasing with more uses.

Anti-magic Shot
Shoots the target with a special bullet that disrupts the flow of mana within the target, causing weakness and inability to use spells for a short while (roughly 8 seconds). Shooting a non-magical pawn causes the target to become slightly weakened, but nothing too big to cause trouble for them. Using this skill causes the user to become weakened for a short while, due to contact with the projectile.

Spellcutter (requires a weapon that has anti-magic technology of any type)
Parries up to 100 points of incoming magical damage, completely destroying some spells in the proccess (Example, Fire Claw will desintegrate when hitting a pawn with this skill, but a projectile from Blizzard won't end the spell if it hits, will just negate the damage). 20% chance for parried spells to fly off randomly in any direction for half of it's max range and damage.

Mana Sapper (has a scroll) (requires an Anti-magic Claw prothesis to use)
Grab your target (must be in melee range) with your claw, dealing 5 damage to the grabbed body part (external only), stunning for 1-5s and sapping mana based on duration (every second = 10% mana). Stun will be stopped if the user receives damage.

Seal Magic (master)
Cut or shoot your target's vital magic spot (depending on weapon equipped), causing magical trauma, and the next time the pawn goe unconcious or sleeps, it enters a deep coma for a very extended period of time (10-50 days). When the pawn wakes up, they won't be able to use magic anymore. The pawn will still suffer from anything related to mana, but will not be able to regenerate mana naturally. Deadly during any mana sickness type of events. Usage of this skill will cause 1 permanent brain or heart damage every time it's used (cannot be healed in any way, healer mech serum included).


Cursed Mage (mana) (you get this class directly, instead of having the ability to choose and buy a book for it) (like Hexhunter, this class shouldn't be added until the AI can use magic) (this class' 'switch' skill was inspired by the Equinox warframe, in the mmo Warframe)
Cursed Mages are people born with natural magic knowledge and abilities. Most, if not all of them are unable to control it fully until roughly 10 years old, which often causes them to hurt people unwillingly, and causes people to fear them. This, in turn, causes them to hate magic above everything. Due to being born with natural magic knowledge, pawns with this class tend to be able to use more complex spells with ease and minimum effort. The founder of the combat art this class uses once said: "Magic must defeat magic.". Rare class due to the fact that they are seen as abominations and are hunted by both normal people and anti-magic factions. Example of skills:

Passive skills:

Magical Body
Causes the user's magic capacity to be 200% instead of 100%.

Magical Knowledge
50% chance to not use up a scroll when learning a spell. Scrolls that are not used, become tattered and it's sell price is reduce to 1% it's base value. Still fully functional.

Active skills (magic):

Anti-Magic Form
Seals the user's normal magic spells, while unsealing anti-magic spells and skills. Costs no mana, has a short cooldown.

Absorb Mana
Absorbs mana from the air and filters it in such a way that it won't be harmful to the body. Has a long cast time and cooldown. Costs 0 mana. Mana recovery varies between 10% and 100% (this means 100%, not 200% as this class can have).

Amplify Spell
The next spell cast after this spell will cost double mana and have 1.5x the effect, both good and bad. Spells that cost 0 mana do not trigger this effect. Medium cooldown.

Mana Tornado (master) (has a scroll)
Rapidly swirls mana in the air, creating a mana tornado that rips everything in it's path to shreds. Same as the tornado event. Fully upgrading this spell allows for control over the tornado.

Active skills (anti-magic):

Magic Form
Seals the user's anti-magic spells and skills, while unsealing normal magic spells. Costs no mana, has a short cooldown.

Explode Mana (this spell cannot have a scroll due to how complex it is, and such, only beings with incredible magic capacities can use it)
Detonates part of the mana flowing within the target. Deals severe internal damage and bleeding, and slight external damage. Higher damage the more unused mana the target has, and lower the less mana the target has. Base damage based off 50% mana. Also saps part of the target's mana.

Overheat (has a scroll) (requires an Anti-magic claw or weapon, if both are available, will use the weapon as the source)
Infuse your anti-magic apparatus with mana in such a way that causes it to overheat and function erratically for a short while. While in this state, your attacks have a 50% chance to damage mana instead of the enemy (3 damage = 1% mana). If damaging mana, there's a chance to cause mana weakness on the target. Chance of occurring is the same as the target's missing mana (example: if the target has 75% mana, the chances are 25%).

Overdrive (master) (has a scroll) (requires any kind of anti-magic equipment/prosthetic) (clicking the spell gives a list of suitable choices for this spell)
Overdrives your chosen anti-magic apparatus, doubling all the effects it has as well as granting the user +50% damage against magical entities on top of the bonuses for a short while. Once the duration ends, auto-switches to magic form and is unable to switch to anti-magic form for 1 in-game day.


Events

Tainted Mana
Purity in the mana is tainted, causing spells to cost extra mana for the duration. Also causes spells with a chance to fail to have a higher chance to fail, and spells that give the caster mana weakness to give a stronger version of it.

Magical Calamity
I forgot what this was about before i get to write it down (i have short-term memory, so big influxes of ideas tend to be a problem). Leaving it here in case it sparks you some ideas.

Buildings

Arcane Reconstructor
Endgame building that consumes an enormous amount of mana fuel. Can be used to destroy a dead pawn's body, and reconstruct it in a partly ethereal form. These bodies are somewhat unstable and cannot do manual work very well, but aren't limited by mana, as they take in mana directly from the air for their spells, and due to how their body works, only anti-magic weapons, magic and magic weapons will work against them.
Edit: Just in case it isn't obvious to some people, this revives the body, with some magic-related side effects.


Items

Arcane Shield
Arcane Shield is a type of shield that will work like normal shields, but allows spells to pass through. It consumes mana to recharge, and will only recharge when told to, as to not consume a pawn's whole mana. Every 1% mana recharges 5% of the shield. Cannot cast master spells with this shield on, as they are too powerful and would disrupt the shield. Note: You still cannot fire ranged weapons with these.

Arcane Shield MK2
A more powerful version of the Arcane Shield. The differences are that every 1% mana recharges 10% of the shield, and you can cast master spells with this shield.

Arcane Bionics
Bionics that are slightly better than vanilla, with the addition of improving spells, by reducing cast time, cooldowns, increasing power, projectiles fired, proc chance for extra effects, increasing mana regeneration, having a small chance for spells to not cost mana, extended range and more things.
Very rare items, and are unbreakable (they do take damage, but can be repaired with mana-infusing medical procedures, which requires a medic that can use magic).

Anti-magic items and technology
Research has been made by people who detest magic and think it should be gone. After a while, they found ways to sap away mana from things and people, as well as obliterate spells and magical entities. Such things come in the forms of weapons, armor, prosthetics, and even a unique combat art that works very efficiently against anything magical. I won't be posting about every single item possible as it's basically just the anti-magic version of the magic items i've mentioned previously.  I've listed some prosthetics examples above, on the Classes part. I'll give a few specifics on those below:

Anti-magic Claw
Metal claw that is built in such a way that touching it disturbs the mana within things. It's built in such a way that it doesn't affect the user. The claw has -30% manipulation, adds a little bonus to melee damage, and increases damage against magical entities by 10%. As with all anti-magic prosthetics, it's immune to magic damage and has 50% more hp than a normal body part. Replaces either arm.


Other

A new race that can very easily grasp magic, and the majority of the race is composed of magicians and have a larger mana pool than other races, however they have weak bodies, having less hp per body part, and being unable to wear metal armor due to it's weight. This race is NOT supposed to be added anytime soon, as it would be heavily crippled by lack of content (items, weapons, robes and etc). This race also has a unique class that no other race is able to become, for whatever reason it may be (likely a racial feature). I'd suggest a class, but i don't know what this race will be and the concepts behind it, so i cannot really do it. This race is also rare due to low birthrates (to keep in check the fact that magic users shouldn't be something very common).

New faction focused around anti-magic stuff. Will always be hostile to magic factions and races that dwell in magic.

Add a type of caravan that is not affiliated to any faction - a black market caravan focused on magic items. Will only sell magical/anti-magic items, in decent amounts, usually slightly above the price normal traders do, will sell "obscure scrolls" for a relatively lower price than normal scrolls (more expensive than some), and you will not know what you bought until you buy it and 'examine' (right click option replacing read until you find out what the scroll is) the scroll.

On the topic of the AI using magic attacks, I'd like to know, how would that work? Player pawns can't use magic without player intervention, so I'm curious into how the AI would choose which spell to use and with what caution.

Also, Toketsu, instead of healer mech serum, dev mode also exists (yuh know, the Remove Hediff thing ;)).

Magical Calamity makes me think of something along the lines of "mana gets drained from everyone, forced to use other defences and attacks (the magical part means non-mages aren't affected, which means they're going to have turrets/other defences already compared to a total mage colony, where physical actions might not be necessary), while drained mana is released from the environment as random spells appearing from the sky, etc." I dunno, just a thought.

Quote from: billyma6 on January 04, 2018, 08:24:59 PM
Also, Toketsu, instead of healer mech serum, dev mode also exists (yuh know, the Remove Hediff thing ;)).

Dev mode isn't part of the game. It's a tool for developing, which cheaters abuse for their own fun. I don't have self control so i need to use a mod that disables it, since i prefer playing without cheats. I will never include anything related to dev mode in my ideas, and will only mention if it's to complement an idea and make examples. (Don't get me wrong, if people want to cheat, let them be, as long as it isn't annoying anyone else (multiplayer interactions/rankings))

Quote from: billyma6 on January 04, 2018, 08:24:59 PM
Magical Calamity makes me think of something along the lines of "mana gets drained from everyone, forced to use other defences and attacks (the magical part means non-mages aren't affected, which means they're going to have turrets/other defences already compared to a total mage colony, where physical actions might not be necessary), while drained mana is released from the environment as random spells appearing from the sky, etc." I dunno, just a thought.

Should be something along those lines - but i personally think it should be worse. With this name, it has the potential to be the most dangerous event in the game. Could be only available for difficulties only rough and above, too.

Quote from: Toketsu on January 04, 2018, 09:10:17 PM
Should be something along those lines - but i personally think it should be worse. With this name, it has the potential to be the most dangerous event in the game. Could be only available for difficulties only rough and above, too.

I have zero clue how to quote so bear with me here.

And true. What about something like from Terraria's Old One's Army event, where it spawns enemies (in this case magical enemies, elementals, maybe enemy mages) on the map and you have to defend yourself from those waves of mobs? On lower easier difficulties it would spawn easy things to defend against, but harder difficulties everything's against you; even the environment as it would maybe prevent or slow the regeneration of mana. At the end there could be a buffed pawn with "more than average" health and would be the final obstacle to defeat. Of course, there'd be loot at the end, scaling with difficulty, but maybe if you're really unlucky or really not feeling up to it, you could use an artifact or sth to deter the pawns from attacking or even spawning at all?

Quote from: billyma6 on January 04, 2018, 09:24:07 PM
I have zero clue how to quote so bear with me here.

(https://i.imgur.com/o7HYBFN.png)

Quote from: billyma6 on January 04, 2018, 09:24:07 PM

Quote from: Toketsu on January 04, 2018, 09:10:17 PM
Should be something along those lines - but i personally think it should be worse. With this name, it has the potential to be the most dangerous event in the game. Could be only available for difficulties only rough and above, too.

I have zero clue how to quote so bear with me here.

And true. What about something like from Terraria's Old One's Army event, where it spawns enemies (in this case magical enemies, elementals, maybe enemy mages) on the map and you have to defend yourself from those waves of mobs? On lower easier difficulties it would spawn easy things to defend against, but harder difficulties everything's against you; even the environment as it would maybe prevent or slow the regeneration of mana. At the end there could be a buffed pawn with "more than average" health and would be the final obstacle to defeat. Of course, there'd be loot at the end, scaling with difficulty, but maybe if you're really unlucky or really not feeling up to it, you could use an artifact or sth to deter the pawns from attacking or even spawning at all?

That sounds more like an arcane stash rework than a magical calamity.

when i think of magical calamity i think maybe of like  spawning a boss creature that you have to deal with accompanied by a special storm possibly dropping meteorites or, lighting  ,  ice , and fire  from some of the master spells but in a map wide area and less frequent to hit so it dosnt destroy your whole colony.

Quote from: blizzardwolf420 on January 04, 2018, 11:44:09 PM
when i think of magical calamity i think maybe of like  spawning a boss creature that you have to deal with accompanied by a special storm possibly dropping meteorites or, lighting  ,  ice , and fire  from some of the master spells but in a map wide area and less frequent to hit so it dosnt destroy your whole colony.

This, is actually good idea for a "questing" system. Really like it that the bosses would drop special scrolls/magical empowerments. So mages could actually be challenged by something...

Yeah a boss would be easyer then caravan request for scrolls/books.
Did you try to load 9000 berries into a portal pod ? :-)
Me either i just wait until the mass teleport get updated.

Just released the latest update: v1.6.1.
Update includes quite a few new additions:

• New class: Necromancer - a sorcerer of the dark arts with a central focus of raising corpses as undead minions.  Undead 'appear' as the colonists they once were, but will lose almost all traits, skills, and behaviors that made them human.  Undead possess no needs and can work throughout the day and night.  There are some skills they will no longer be capable of, such as research, learning or caring.  They also move considerably slower.  The magic that creates the undead must be sustained by the necromancer(s), a side product of this is that the tissue of undead will slowly knit itself back together (though limbs and other destroyed body parts are gone for good); if multiple necromancers exist on a map, they will share the cost to sustain undead, regardless of who created the undead.  If no necromancers exist on the map with undead, the undead will return to their original state (dead).
  
  The necromancer gets several supplemental spells. Fog of Torment chokes the life out of any living that remain inside the fog and attempts to kill through excessive pain; undead are healed by the fog.  The necromancer can consume undead or corpses to replenish mana  (and life if trained to do so).  Lastly, the necromancer can exert power over the biological and arcane energies within a corpse or undead turn it into an explosives that will detonate after a short period.
  
  A few notes: there are currently no pawn thoughts concerning necro's or undead, these will be added down the road to add more depth to the class and their interaction with the living.  Necromancers are a very 'indirect' class, so please provide feedback on the feel and balance of the class.  Lastly, during limited playtesting, this class can reach levels of arcane weakness great enough to kill themselves... so keep that in mind before creating another group of undead.
  
  
• New Class: Bladedancer - a close combat glass cannon.  The bladedancer excels at rapid assaults, but does not perform well in a sustained fight.  Through two skill lines, they can gain considerable boosts in passives that improve hit chance, dodge, movement, and manipulation.  Their primary opening skill is called "phase strike" which lets them phase out of existence at one location, and phase into existence at another, immediately striking enemies upon entry.  In addition to this attack, they can perform a point blank blade spin, striking all enemies in the immediate vicinity for heavy damage.  They also have some versatility with Seismic Slash, which strikes all enemies along a line for heavy damage.  Bladedancers must have a melee weapon equipped as their primary to use their skills.
  
  
• The bladedancer introduces a different approach to damage calculations, which incorporate pawn melee dps, weapon, dps, weapon quality, skill modifiers, and weapon multipliers - all these values are used to determine the damage for each skill which should provide a much more accurate representation of the weapon the pawn is using.  Gladiator skills based on weapon damage were also reworked with these calculations.
  
  
• Eye of the Storm now has a 3s delay before it will begin striking targets.  That being said, after this delay, it will strike any target in its path with impunity.
  
  
• Magic and Might panes were reworked with consideration for the lowest vertical resolution - all options should now be visible on all resolutions.
  
  
• Arcane script costs were reduced by 20% across the board.  Arcane spells were reduced by 40%.
  
  
• A new series of magical learning items have been added - all arcane scripts now have a "torn" version.  These torn scripts will promote a pawn to their advanced trait and grant a random number of spells belonging to the class.  It's possible to advance and learn no spells - in cases like this, you will need to wait until the pawn levels by possessing excess mana to learn new spells.  Usually, the pawn will learn 1 or 2 of their class spells.  The spells that aren't learned may be learned via the magic tab, once enough ability points are available to learn the spell.  Unlearned spells cost between 1 to 3 ability points.  Torn scripts are considerably cheaper than their completed counterparts.  At this time, there are no torn scripts for combat classes, but the combat scroll costs have been reduced.

I do like the idea of a "boss" type event.  Two possibilities I think could work is the rogue elemental that wanders around and creates random blizzards, firestorms, tornados... depending on its element.  I could also create an undead horde led by a necromancer that wanders around the map raising corpses to join their undead army...

Quote from: Torann on January 05, 2018, 05:20:40 PM
Just released the latest update: v1.6.1.
Update includes quite a few new additions:

• New class: Necromancer - a sorcerer of the dark arts with a central focus of raising corpses as undead minions.  Undead 'appear' as the colonists they once were, but will lose almost all traits, skills, and behaviors that made them human.  Undead possess no needs and can work throughout the day and night.  There are some skills they will no longer be capable of, such as research, learning or caring.  They also move considerably slower.  The magic that creates the undead must be sustained by the necromancer(s), a side product of this is that the tissue of undead will slowly knit itself back together (though limbs and other destroyed body parts are gone for good); if multiple necromancers exist on a map, they will share the cost to sustain undead, regardless of who created the undead.  If no necromancers exist on the map with undead, the undead will return to their original state (dead).
  
  The necromancer gets several supplemental spells. Fog of Torment chokes the life out of any living that remain inside the fog and attempts to kill through excessive pain; undead are healed by the fog.  The necromancer can consume undead or corpses to replenish mana  (and life if trained to do so).  Lastly, the necromancer can exert power over the biological and arcane energies within a corpse or undead turn it into an explosives that will detonate after a short period.
  
  A few notes: there are currently no pawn thoughts concerning necro's or undead, these will be added down the road to add more depth to the class and their interaction with the living.  Necromancers are a very 'indirect' class, so please provide feedback on the feel and balance of the class.  Lastly, during limited playtesting, this class can reach levels of arcane weakness great enough to kill themselves... so keep that in mind before creating another group of undead.
  
  
• New Class: Bladedancer - a close combat glass cannon.  The bladedancer excels at rapid assaults, but does not perform well in a sustained fight.  Through two skill lines, they can gain considerable boosts in passives that improve hit chance, dodge, movement, and manipulation.  Their primary opening skill is called "phase strike" which lets them phase out of existence at one location, and phase into existence at another, immediately striking enemies upon entry.  In addition to this attack, they can perform a point blank blade spin, striking all enemies in the immediate vicinity for heavy damage.  They also have some versatility with Seismic Slash, which strikes all enemies along a line for heavy damage.  Bladedancers must have a melee weapon equipped as their primary to use their skills.
  
  
• The bladedancer introduces a different approach to damage calculations, which incorporate pawn melee dps, weapon, dps, weapon quality, skill modifiers, and weapon multipliers - all these values are used to determine the damage for each skill which should provide a much more accurate representation of the weapon the pawn is using.  Gladiator skills based on weapon damage were also reworked with these calculations.
  
  
• Eye of the Storm now has a 3s delay before it will begin striking targets.  That being said, after this delay, it will strike any target in its path with impunity.
  
  
• Magic and Might panes were reworked with consideration for the lowest vertical resolution - all options should now be visible on all resolutions.
  
  
• Arcane script costs were reduced by 20% across the board.  Arcane spells were reduced by 40%.
  
  
• A new series of magical learning items have been added - all arcane scripts now have a "torn" version.  These torn scripts will promote a pawn to their advanced trait and grant a random number of spells belonging to the class.  It's possible to advance and learn no spells - in cases like this, you will need to wait until the pawn levels by possessing excess mana to learn new spells.  Usually, the pawn will learn 1 or 2 of their class spells.  The spells that aren't learned may be learned via the magic tab, once enough ability points are available to learn the spell.  Unlearned spells cost between 1 to 3 ability points.  Torn scripts are considerably cheaper than their completed counterparts.  At this time, there are no torn scripts for combat classes, but the combat scroll costs have been reduced.

Boy, you sure do know how to work your magic, into.. uh... MORE MAGIC! :P

Hey, I started playing with the necromancers, and I discovered if you set a corpse to explode then consume that corpse, it bugs out like this.

https://gist.github.com/d527dbd60c9f3af2591fb33ad2c8384e

It doesn't go away, even with the Destroy action, so I'm stuck with it in my world.

Quote from: billyma6 on January 05, 2018, 11:27:19 PM
Hey, I started playing with the necromancers, and I discovered if you set a corpse to explode then consume that corpse, it bugs out like this.

So you set a corpse to explode, then consumed it...?  I'm going to make it so that if a necro consumes an exploding corpse, itll make the necro explode.   :o

Quote from: Torann on January 06, 2018, 01:56:42 AM

Quote from: billyma6 on January 05, 2018, 11:27:19 PM
Hey, I started playing with the necromancers, and I discovered if you set a corpse to explode then consume that corpse, it bugs out like this.

So you set a corpse to explode, then consumed it...?  I'm going to make it so that if a necro consumes an exploding corpse, itll make the necro explode.   :o

Hey, all in the name of SCIENCE!    ;D

Edit: also, help me how do i get rid of it it keeps giving me all these pesky errors every tick

You can still use the Developer tool "Destroy".
It destroy anything on the tile you click.

Torann,
could you please try to find a way to let NPCs use the magic abilities ? This is just for balancing, when you colony got 2-3 magic it is a huge advance against any a raid.
So it is just fair that these raids should have at last 1-2 magic user which use their abilities more or less accurate too.

Quote from: billyma6 on January 06, 2018, 03:23:04 AM

Quote from: Torann on January 06, 2018, 01:56:42 AM

Quote from: billyma6 on January 05, 2018, 11:27:19 PM
Hey, I started playing with the necromancers, and I discovered if you set a corpse to explode then consume that corpse, it bugs out like this.

So you set a corpse to explode, then consumed it...?  I'm going to make it so that if a necro consumes an exploding corpse, itll make the necro explode.   :o

Hey, all in the name of SCIENCE!    ;D

Edit: also, help me how do i get rid of it it keeps giving me all these pesky errors every tick

If it isn't getting destroyed no matter what you do, when the log is open, toggle "auto-open" so you won't get the log to come up every tick, and will only open manually.

Oh dear, the new update turned RimWorld into Neverwinter. Hell yeah. BUT IM STILL WAITING ON MY GIFTED PAWNS.

Quote from: billyma6 on January 05, 2018, 11:27:19 PM
Hey, I started playing with the necromancers, and I discovered if you set a corpse to explode then consume that corpse, it bugs out like this.
It doesn't go away, even with the Destroy action, so I'm stuck with it in my world.

I've fixed the issue with the exploding of destroyed corpses  and uploaded as v1.6.2.  Let me know if you still get the error after updating.

Quote from: Torann on January 06, 2018, 11:54:41 AM

Quote from: billyma6 on January 05, 2018, 11:27:19 PM
Hey, I started playing with the necromancers, and I discovered if you set a corpse to explode then consume that corpse, it bugs out like this.
It doesn't go away, even with the Destroy action, so I'm stuck with it in my world.

I've fixed the issue with the exploding of destroyed corpses  and uploaded as v1.6.2.  Let me know if you still get the error after updating.

K, thanks.  :)
Edit: Yep, that did the trick. Thanks Torann!
Also aww, I would've loved to see necros actually exploding if they did consume an exploding corpse...

Edit2:

Quote from: Canute on January 06, 2018, 04:07:22 AM
Torann,
could you please try to find a way to let NPCs use the magic abilities ? This is just for balancing, when you colony got 2-3 magic it is a huge advance against any a raid.
So it is just fair that these raids should have at last 1-2 magic user which use their abilities more or less accurate too.

I agree, it's quite a big advantage, even with the micromanagement part. How do you plan on implementing this? (I'm curious don't judge meh  ;D)

System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
  at TorannMagic.Need_Mana.GainNeed (Single amount) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at TorannMagic.Need_Mana.NeedInterval () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at RimWorld.Pawn_NeedsTracker.NeedsTrackerTick () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at Verse.Pawn.Tick () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at RimWorld.Planet.WorldPawns.WorldPawnsTick () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at RimWorld.Planet.World.WorldTick () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at Verse.TickManager.DoSingleTick () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0


It won't let me cook and eat meals.

Quote from: Canute on January 06, 2018, 04:07:22 AM
Torann,
could you please try to find a way to let NPCs use the magic abilities ? This is just for balancing, when you colony got 2-3 magic it is a huge advance against any a raid.
So it is just fair that these raids should have at last 1-2 magic user which use their abilities more or less accurate too.

This please, else this mod is just too OP.

Rimworld logic :

Caravan request for Seed of Regrowth x7640
Reward : Mage Spell: Teleport

I'll get right on that, buddy.

Quote from: henk on January 07, 2018, 05:21:32 PM
Rimworld logic :

Caravan request for Seed of Regrowth x7640
Reward : Mage Spell: Teleport

I'll get right on that, buddy.

Lmfao. Good luck, tell us the results!

Quote from: henk on January 07, 2018, 05:21:32 PM
Rimworld logic :

Caravan request for Seed of Regrowth x7640
Reward : Mage Spell: Teleport

I'll get right on that, buddy.

A colony asked me for 6000 carrots for fire scroll. As a carrot farmer, I had them ready. Hooray. Now I have 3 fire scrolls, and  STILL NO GIFTED PAWNS.

Some class ideas?
Warlord (Stamina)-
The Warlord is a team player. They're a damage dealer & a support.
Passive: Intimidating presence
Makes allies have better threshold. Makes enemies threshold worse.
Abillities
Commanding Strike: When activated, the next hit on a raider will increase the damage done by half
Stunning Hit: Stuns
Battle cry: Increases movement and manipulation in a radius to allies.
Master Spell
Avatar of War: Gain dodge chance and ability cool down rate

Quote from: Toketsu on January 08, 2018, 03:26:31 AM
Lmfao. Good luck, tell us the results!

It's physically impossible to get that many seeds. Seeds require mana to get, and they don't stack. Also, they require refrigeration.

I guess seeds should have a price even if they can't be traded...

Quote from: henk on January 08, 2018, 10:59:37 AM

Quote from: Toketsu on January 08, 2018, 03:26:31 AM
Lmfao. Good luck, tell us the results!

It's physically impossible to get that many seeds. Seeds require mana to get, and they don't stack. Also, they require refrigeration.

I'm fully aware of all this. You should have made an interesting mini story on the subject >->

Quote from: Jackalvin on January 08, 2018, 10:32:20 AM
Some class ideas?
Warlord (Stamina)-
The Warlord is a team player. They're a damage dealer & a support.
Passive: Intimidating presence
Makes allies have better threshold. Makes enemies threshold worse.
Abillities
Commanding Strike: When activated, the next hit on a raider will increase the damage done by half
Stunning Hit: Stuns
Battle cry: Increases movement and manipulation in a radius to allies.
Master Spell
Avatar of War: Gain dodge chance and ability cool down rate

Very nice, something like Paladin in vanilla WoW. The Intimidating Presence, thumbs up. I guess by threshold you mean cover, which is very useful.

Quote from: Toketsu on January 03, 2018, 01:09:33 PM
Cursed Mage (mana) (you get this class directly, instead of having the ability to choose and buy a book for it) (like Hexhunter, this class shouldn't be added until the AI can use magic)

I think we'll need to see how dangerous AI are with magic before evaluating the need for 'anti-magic' classes.  I suspect that some mages will be quite devastating while others will be much less so (think difference between lightning mage and druid).  But since I'm still working on this, it's yet to be determined, but I appreciate the ideas.

Quote from: Toketsu
Arcane Shield

I like the idea of mana shield and think this is a spell type that would be great as a stand-alone for any mage type.  This is a bit different and I'd need to look into how some other mods implement options from the toolbar.  I think run-n-gun does something like this, so I might look at that.  Something to consider down the line.

Quote from: Toketsu
Arcane Bionics

Other than the regrow-limb spell, I think I'm going to stay away from body parts.  Other mods do a great job and have balanced bionics and body parts.  I'm hoping craftable arcane items should fill the bill for the type of magic enhancement effects you're suggesting.

Quote from: Toketsu
...will sell "obscure scrolls" for a relatively lower price than normal scrolls...

I actually added something similar to this in the last update, which included torn scripts and the ability to learn spells that weren't discovered from the torn script.  The new tome is about 60% of the cost of a torn script, and grants the pawn a random magic class with a random set of skills assigned to that class.  So you don't know what you'll get, but it's certainly less expensive.

Quote from: Canute on January 06, 2018, 04:07:22 AM
Torann,
could you please try to find a way to let NPCs use the magic abilities ?

Yes, I agree that this would add to the mod and help restore difficulty balance.  This has been on my list of things to add for awhile, but I've bumped it up to the highest priority and I'm working on it for the next update.
If possible, I'd like to also include some limited 'auto cast' options to help reduce some of the micro management of the mod.  It hasn't been so difficult to get pawns to use abilities, but it's quite another thing to get pawns to use abilities intelligently.

Quote from: Jackalvin on January 08, 2018, 10:32:20 AM
Some class ideas?
Warlord (Stamina)
The Warlord is a team player. They're a damage dealer & a support.

I like the class idea and definitely need some more good ideas's for stamina based classes - looks like a good support class with a lot of passives and group enhancements and would fill a nice niche.

ohhh this is beautiful! thanks for that mod :D

i have one question, is it possible to know how much stamina or mana our pawns currently have? i dont see any indicator or metter

regards.

Quote from: omatkoicorko on January 09, 2018, 07:26:58 PM
ohhh this is beautiful! thanks for that mod :D

i have one question, is it possible to know how much stamina or mana our pawns currently have? i dont see any indicator or matter

regards.

Wanted to know the same thing, couldn't find it anywhere!

First line in Needs is Mana - not present for pawns that don't have a magic or physical skill.

i had an idea for none magic pawns of gaining magic , plus a way of adding different kinds of magic pawns. anyone who has a large amount of intelligence can learn how to do alchemy , kind of like full metal alchemist style.. It would be a good way to give others a chance to match gifted pawns in their own way, and add a whole new field  of "magic" to the rimworlds.  granted this is probably a more down the line kind of thing  , but it is a new way of granting  power to one who cant use magic.

Quote from: henk on January 09, 2018, 07:48:25 PM
First line in Needs is Mana - not present for pawns that don't have a magic or physical skill.

Thanks!

Quote from: Torann on January 09, 2018, 02:42:35 PM

Quote from: Canute on January 06, 2018, 04:07:22 AM
Torann,
could you please try to find a way to let NPCs use the magic abilities ?

Yes, I agree that this would add to the mod and help restore difficulty balance.  This has been on my list of things to add for awhile, but I've bumped it up to the highest priority and I'm working on it for the next update.
If possible, I'd like to also include some limited 'auto cast' options to help reduce some of the micro management of the mod.  It hasn't been so difficult to get pawns to use abilities, but it's quite another thing to get pawns to use abilities intelligently.

Yep, the AI don't like to use abilities they are focused on buttons.
Maybe try to to add them to a context menu when you right click at a target.

Or add magic staffs/orbs that cast the spell but use mana from the wielder.
When you made them not craftable/not tradeable/destroy on drop they should only appear/used by the magic raiders.
So they can use these spells like normal ranged weapons.

Quote from: Canute on January 10, 2018, 03:58:28 AM

Quote from: Torann on January 09, 2018, 02:42:35 PM

Quote from: Canute on January 06, 2018, 04:07:22 AM
Torann,
could you please try to find a way to let NPCs use the magic abilities ?

Yes, I agree that this would add to the mod and help restore difficulty balance.  This has been on my list of things to add for awhile, but I've bumped it up to the highest priority and I'm working on it for the next update.
If possible, I'd like to also include some limited 'auto cast' options to help reduce some of the micro management of the mod.  It hasn't been so difficult to get pawns to use abilities, but it's quite another thing to get pawns to use abilities intelligently.

Yep, the AI don't like to use abilities they are focused on buttons.
Maybe try to to add them to a context menu when you right click at a target.

Or add magic staffs/orbs that cast the spell but use mana from the wielder.
When you made them not craftable/not tradeable/destroy on drop they should only appear/used by the magic raiders.
So they can use these spells like normal ranged weapons.

I don't see where this would make the AI cast it intelligently. Seems more like they'd just spam spells until they're out of mana, then stand there doing nothing because they don't have a weapon capable of attacking anymore. Also, one spell per AI mage isn't a good idea, makes it way too easy to counter.

True, but otherwise you need to write a real clever AI script.
But i think even when the staff just cast one spell, if it is the right spell it can cause much more trouble then any "normal" weapon can do beside doomday launcher.
At example a elemental summoner want, that let lesser elementals appear next to your pawns, even when the one just can cast 4-8 before he run out of mana, he would cause much more trouble then when he use a minigun.
Since the AI is so weak, you need to give it some advances, and you need to prevent that the player can use these advances.
Why do you think the Storyteller allways send you and overwhelming raid force.

Quote from: Canute on January 10, 2018, 07:53:31 AM
True, but otherwise you need to write a real clever AI script.
But i think even when the staff just cast one spell, if it is the right spell it can cause much more trouble then any "normal" weapon can do beside doomday launcher.
At example a elemental summoner want, that let lesser elementals appear next to your pawns, even when the one just can cast 4-8 before he run out of mana, he would cause much more trouble then when he use a minigun.
Since the AI is so weak, you need to give it some advances, and you need to prevent that the player can use these advances.
Why do you think the Storyteller allways send you and overwhelming raid force.

What i meant by the one spell being too little thing, was that we, as players, know how to counter the spells and we can counter them. Be it walls, traps, other spells or anything. If the player does actually want to, they'd take out the mages before they can even cast a spell, hence why keeping it to one spell only is kind of a bad idea. I'll give you an example of what may or may not be simple to script. I don't know anything about scripting, so this is just a guess, but should be doable.

Example with one spell:

The enemy has one mage, with fireball spell. Your base has walls all around it. He attacks the walls with fireball, and dies to mortars/spells.


Example with two spells:

The enemy has one mage, with fireball and blink spells. Your base has walls all around it. He uses blink to go beyond the walls (preferably on a spot where turrets won't attack him), and uses fireball on a pawn. After that, he has two choices: Either wait for fireball cooldown to cast it again, and then blink out, or blink out right now and wait for his friends to break down the wall. That single fireball he cast on your pawn could give them a huge edge on the fight, while only slightly endangering the mage.

Edit: On the second scenario, the player's pawns could also end up damaging stuff with shots and spells while trying to take out that single mage, not to mention that, if the player is bad or didn't think, he or she could use something like firestorm on the enemy mage (who could blink out at any moment's notice), and deal some major damage to the colony.

I personally think that a per-spell script would be ideal. For example, a blink script: Could use it to bypass walls, cast another spell and then blink out. Or just blink away to safety when getting hit or if they took too much damage.

And if you want another example, i'll give you a brief idea on what an AI could do to you. So, you got a ton of walls and defenses? Great! But the enemy has a mage capable of blinking and summoning. He just blinked into your storage, summoned a friend and destroyed everything. Or he summoned your orbital laser thingy and used it on your colony. There are countless things that the AI could be capable of, and it only depends on what Torann can do and think of. Magic is limitless in potential, only requiring imagination to power up the ideas.

I didn't say that the NPC which could fully control all of his spells arn't less powerfull.
I just said, the current AI can handle a staff with just one spell better.

But when you can write such clever AI script like you descript i am very happy to use it. That would improve the combat of Rimworld at about 2-3 level classes.

It is boring when you got all this nice tools for combat to defeat the enemy without problems.

Oh man I've wanted a good magic mod for Rimworld for so long! This is amazing. Any chance we could get another universal skill like Clarity for reducing cooldowns? I would like to be able to shoot more lightning bolts pew pew.

Awesome work!

Just pushed out the latest version: v.1.7.0

• Mod settings are now included to allow adjustment of several of the mod features such as mana regeneration and how quickly mages gain xp from using spells.
  
  
• AI can now cast spells. 
  There are several options for AI casting.  It can be disabled entirely in the mod settings, or you can pick the challenging route and turn on AI casting hard mode.
  
  
• To support AI casting, all mod traits can occur at random on pawns.  These pawns will come equipped with the full spell complement for their class.  If AI casting is turned on, AI mages will occasionally cast a retaliation spell before they die or are downed rather than allowing themselves to be captured.  On hard mode, they will always do this.
  
  
• The Arcane mage spell, summon, now instantly moves the target for both pawns and objects.
  
  
• Some trait names and scroll descriptions have been adjusted for clarity
  
  
• New stand-alone spell: Mana Shield - allows mages to create a health buffer at the cost of their mana pool.  Use of the spell while mana shield is active will disable the spell as will taking damage in excess of what can be absorbed by mana.

Quote from: Torann on January 13, 2018, 03:50:27 PM
Just pushed out the latest version: v.1.7.0

• Mod settings are now included to allow adjustment of several of the mod features such as mana regeneration and how quickly mages gain xp from using spells.
  
  
• AI can now cast spells. 
  There are several options for AI casting.  It can be disabled entirely in the mod settings, or you can pick the challenging route and turn on AI casting hard mode.
  
  
• To support AI casting, all mod traits can occur at random on pawns.  These pawns will come equipped with the full spell complement for their class.  If AI casting is turned on, AI mages will occasionally cast a retaliation spell before they die or are downed rather than allowing themselves to be captured.  On hard mode, they will always do this.
  
  
• The Arcane mage spell, summon, now instantly moves the target for both pawns and objects.
  
  
• Some trait names and scroll descriptions have been adjusted for clarity
  
  
• New stand-alone spell: Mana Shield - allows mages to create a health buffer at the cost of their mana pool.  Use of the spell while mana shield is active will disable the spell as will taking damage in excess of what can be absorbed by mana.

*jaw drops*

Good job on the update, will check it out when i have the time.

A suggestion i'd like to mention to see if it's possible to be added, while i still work on my next suggestion batch:

There's this game called Tales of Maj'Eyal, where there are 'sustained' skills and spells. These work in a way that, when you activate them, they work like passive skills, but will drain a certain amount of max mana. An example:

Glide (sustained) (unnatributed/scroll)
While active, this spell grants +20% movement speed. 10% mana to sustain.

This means that when cast, this skill will grant +20% movement speed, and reduce max mana from 100% to 90%. Disabling the skill returns mana to 100%, and incurs a cooldown on the skill.

This goes for stamina too. I personally think it would be a neat addition if possible to be done and not too hard.

As for the next ideas batch, it will primarily focus on an overall idea of bosses, as well as a few examples, including drops, skills and such. Should be up within a week (somewhat busy right now, hence why it's taking a while).

Dayhum that's a sweet update. I'm getting right back in the saddle with this mod. Shit's gonna be awesome.

Hey guys, what does "AI hard mode" mean? Ya know, in the options menu?

Quote from: billyma6 on January 13, 2018, 08:58:35 PM
Hey guys, what does "AI hard mode" mean? Ya know, in the options menu?

Quote from: Torann on January 13, 2018, 03:50:27 PM

• To support AI casting, all mod traits can occur at random on pawns.  These pawns will come equipped with the full spell complement for their class.  If AI casting is turned on, AI mages will occasionally cast a retaliation spell before they die or are downed rather than allowing themselves to be captured.  On hard mode, they will always do this.
  

Quote from: Sarge on January 13, 2018, 10:17:35 PM

Quote from: billyma6 on January 13, 2018, 08:58:35 PM
Hey guys, what does "AI hard mode" mean? Ya know, in the options menu?

Quote from: Torann on January 13, 2018, 03:50:27 PM

• To support AI casting, all mod traits can occur at random on pawns.  These pawns will come equipped with the full spell complement for their class.  If AI casting is turned on, AI mages will occasionally cast a retaliation spell before they die or are downed rather than allowing themselves to be captured.  On hard mode, they will always do this.
  

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I just cast my first Lightning Storm. Ho-ly-fuck... I'm in love.

EDIT: Come to think of it, enemy pawns gifted in magic and all of the other cool special abilities created with this mod will be very dangerous and will require some special attention and tactics to fight and defend against.

Having to run through a pack of enemy pawns one by one to see who is gifted with what and then to try keep track of them just by name in the chaos of a fight is not ideal.

Is it possible to 'mark' any character with any of these talents somehow? Perhaps some glow effects of different colours designating the toon and his gift?

Quote from: Sarge on January 13, 2018, 11:56:52 PM
I just cast my first Lightning Storm. Ho-ly-fuck... I'm in love.

EDIT: Come to think of it, enemy pawns gifted in magic and all of the other cool special abilities created with this mod will be very dangerous and will require some special attention and tactics to fight and defend against.

Having to run through a pack of enemy pawns one by one to see who is gifted with what and then to try keep track of them just by name in the chaos of a fight is not ideal.

Is it possible to 'mark' any character with any of these talents somehow? Perhaps some glow effects of different colours designating the toon and his gift?

Sarge, you just gave me a fucking great idea for a mod suggestion. Why not have it as any special "trait" that shows up for any pawns on your maps, you could have marked?

About the Possession spell to temp. control a pawn.
Once they die, you pawns geting the "colonist died" bad mood.

Since you wanted that this pawn should be controlable, i don't think this bad mood is avoidable ?
Maybe leave the colony faction before the heart attack strikes, but then you still have the dead during regular combat.

It is a very strong combat ability to let the attacker fight for you, but when you are geting that bad mood, it balance it a bit, but still annoying.
I know from the Star War Force mod, that 1-2 sith lord can deal with a whole raid, because they berserk them and let them fight each other. While they drink coffee behind their walls.

@Harry

There was a small mod like that which you could use to mark sappers, pawns with cool weapons that you might want  and some such. 4 things in total.

Problem with that mod was that you had to manually go through every enemy and mark them yourself. For obvious reasons in the case of that mod at least.

In this case though I would much rather that you don't need to do all of it manually for every encounter but that it is coded. So if a posse of 20 raiders rock up and then you can see that there are two gifted ones as they enter the map since the lightning mage has a soft yellow glow and the dire mage a red one.

EDIT: The last one was supposed to be fire* mage. Typo. Can we have dire mages now though please?

AI Hard Mode also means that AI will use much more advanced spells, which means more dangerous, deadly, and challenging.
As already noted, when an AI is downed in hardmode, they will -always- use a retaliation spell.  What's implied with this is that you will have a much harder time recruiting full mages and should expect to advance most of your mages from the precursor trait.  You can, however, purchase a slave with full magic, or gain them from an escapee.

As far as marking magic pawns.  This should be a relatively easy thing to do, I'll see about adding a quick settings option to do this, or perhaps just make the mini-mod that allows people to select which traits they want marked.

Quote from: Canute on January 14, 2018, 06:32:58 AM
About the Possession spell to temp. control a pawn.
Once they die, you pawns geting the "colonist died" bad mood.

Since you wanted that this pawn should be controlable, i don't think this bad mood is avoidable ?
Maybe leave the colony faction before the heart attack strikes, but then you still have the dead during regular combat.

It is a very strong combat ability to let the attacker fight for you, but when you are geting that bad mood, it balance it a bit, but still annoying.
I know from the Star War Force mod, that 1-2 sith lord can deal with a whole raid, because they berserk them and let them fight each other. While they drink coffee behind their walls.

Wait, just got an idea. What about a spell that allows the mage to berserk an enemy pawn against themselves while giving the pawn a buff of speed, strength, etc, while limiting them to a certain amount of time, after which they die extravagantly?

Torann,

Can you turn the volume down a little on the Lightning Storm? It's way louder than anything else.

I'm getting this same error 3 times, once each for following. They all have the same trace. I believe I remember seeing the Elemental and Minion come from your mod, the Summoner or Arcane guy or something, right?

Config error in Undead: TraitDef Undead has 0 commonality.
Config error in Elemental: no parts vulnerable to frostbite
Config error in Minion: no parts vulnerable to frostbite

Config error in Elemental: no parts vulnerable to frostbite
Verse.Log:Warning(String)
Verse.DefDatabase`1:ErrorCheckAllDefs()
System.Reflection.MonoMethod:InternalInvoke(Object, Object[], Exception&)
System.Reflection.MonoMethod:Invoke(Object, BindingFlags, Binder, Object[], CultureInfo)
System.Reflection.MethodBase:Invoke(Object, Object[])
Verse.GenGeneric:InvokeStaticMethodOnGenericType(Type, Type, String)
Verse.PlayDataLoader:DoPlayLoad()
Verse.PlayDataLoader:LoadAllPlayData(Boolean)
Verse.Root:<Start>m__1()
Verse.LongEventHandler:RunEventFromAnotherThread(Action)
Verse.LongEventHandler:<UpdateCurrentAsynchronousEvent>m__1()


so torran any idea whats causing the conflict with your mod and the rim of madness mod? it seems to conflict with a bunch of errors , I tested all my mods and rim of madness seems to be the only one that really tosses up any errors with your mod. A shame really I really wanted to use these mods together but ill have to just stick with your mod for now till someone can figure out what the conflict is, based on the errors given it seems to be someone with jecstools.

blizzardwolf420,
update your jecstools mod.
I got plenty of errors because of an old version of that.
Currently i don't got errors with tmagic and vampire, just warnings about unfinished stuff like teleporter.

Quote from: blizzardwolf420 on January 14, 2018, 08:48:27 PM
so torran any idea whats causing the conflict with your mod and the rim of madness mod? it seems to conflict with a bunch of errors , I tested all my mods and rim of madness seems to be the only one that really tosses up any errors with your mod. A shame really I really wanted to use these mods together but ill have to just stick with your mod for now till someone can figure out what the conflict is, based on the errors given it seems to be someone with jecstools.

I play with all the ROM mods and don't have any issues.  Like Canute said, best bet is to make sure your mods are up-to-date and all supporting mods (like jecs tools and hugslib) are also up-to-date.  Also check your mod load order to make sure supporting mods are loaded first.
If you still have issues, I'd recommend deleting the entire folder for each mod your having issues with - sometimes mod developers reorganize or recompile differently but it'll leave old files that can conflict.

I got raided by 3 guys in my very early game. RNGesus decided that one would be a fire mage and another a lightning mage. I'm playing with AI Hard activated.

It's a whooooole new difficulty level is what I'm saying. You've been warned.

Just did a quick update to include the mage marking option you guys came up with.  It'll put an icon on any AI pawns that are mages.  Great idea!

Quote from: Torann on January 15, 2018, 01:19:50 PM
Just did a quick update to include the mage marking option you guys came up with.  It'll put an icon on any AI pawns that are mages.  Great idea!

Dude! Hell yeah!!! ;D

I just made a post elsewhere asking about a mod like that, but you are over here making dreams come true! Now if only you could just have a small sub-mod, where you could pick and choose what traits or health conditions you want to be notified of when they enter your map. The reason I ask about health conditions, is because maybe you have a bionics recovery from dead people mod, and you want to scavenge any bionic legs raiders might have. Or vampirism is a health condition from Rim of Madness, so you want to see them too. Or other traits, like werewolves, joggers, brawlers, psychopaths, whatever you want!

Quote from: Torann on January 15, 2018, 11:34:29 AM

Quote from: blizzardwolf420 on January 14, 2018, 08:48:27 PM
so torran any idea whats causing the conflict with your mod and the rim of madness mod? it seems to conflict with a bunch of errors , I tested all my mods and rim of madness seems to be the only one that really tosses up any errors with your mod. A shame really I really wanted to use these mods together but ill have to just stick with your mod for now till someone can figure out what the conflict is, based on the errors given it seems to be someone with jecstools.

I play with all the ROM mods and don't have any issues.  Like Canute said, best bet is to make sure your mods are up-to-date and all supporting mods (like jecs tools and hugslib) are also up-to-date.  Also check your mod load order to make sure supporting mods are loaded first.
If you still have issues, I'd recommend deleting the entire folder for each mod your having issues with - sometimes mod developers reorganize or recompile differently but it'll leave old files that can conflict.

you guys were right, i havnt updated hugs and jecs  in a month  so an update fixed all my issues i had. stupid me should have done that first.

Can the arcane mage use their teleport spells for going from 1 colony to another?

They work basicly like transport pods, so yes if the other colony is in range.

It is just me or does the teleport spell don't work with 1.7.1
Exception ticking Projectile_Teleport260110: System.ArgumentNullException: Argument cannot be null.
Parameter name: type
  at System.Activator.CheckType (System.Type type) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at System.Activator.CreateInstance (System.Type type, Boolean nonPublic) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at System.Activator.CreateInstance (System.Type type) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at Verse.ThingMaker.MakeThing (Verse.ThingDef def, Verse.ThingDef stuff) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at TorannMagic.Projectile_Teleport.SingleSpawnLoop (AbilityUser.SpawnThings spawnables, IntVec3 position, Verse.Map map) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at TorannMagic.Projectile_Teleport.Impact (Verse.Thing hitThing) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at AbilityUser.Projectile_AbilityBase.ImpactSomething () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at AbilityUser.Projectile_AbilityBase.Tick () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at TorannMagic.Projectile_Teleport.Tick () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at Verse.TickList.Tick () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
Verse.Log:Error(String)
Verse.TickList:Tick()
Verse.TickManager:DoSingleTick()
Verse.TickManager:TickManagerUpdate()
Verse.Game:UpdatePlay()
Verse.Root_Play:Update()


Hello I tried this mod yesterday and I love it so far, but does someone knows where is the mana or stamina displayed? Sorry if this has been answered already I didnt feel like reading the 6 pages of discussion

Quote from: HerrColonel on January 17, 2018, 12:43:02 PM
Hello I tried this mod yesterday and I love it so far, but does someone knows where is the mana or stamina displayed? Sorry if this has been answered already I didnt feel like reading the 6 pages of discussion

Mana and Stamina show in the Need tab for each character that has become a magic or combat class.

Quote from: Canute on January 17, 2018, 10:41:38 AM
It is just me or does the teleport spell don't work with 1.7.1

I've had no issue with teleport, can you give me some more info on where this was cast; does this happen every time?

Thanks a lot Torann

Quote from: Torann on January 17, 2018, 01:16:48 PM

Quote from: Canute on January 17, 2018, 10:41:38 AM
It is just me or does the teleport spell don't work with 1.7.1

I've had no issue with teleport, can you give me some more info on where this was cast; does this happen every time?

Currently i got plenty of warnings on startup. I though its about the change you mention about the teleport.
But maybe you forget to add something at the 1.7.1 release.
But now i think thats the reason why the teleport don't work.
https://gist.github.com/91de07830d7a79a500013fbd8ffdc8c9

I use latest jecstools and deleted allways the old TMagic folder before i unzip it into mods.

Edit:
Ok, moved TMagic at the end of the modlist and the teleport warning disappeared.
And then the teleport is working.

This mod gets more and more interesting... I noticed two visitors fist fighting, but when I went back to check if any of them needed saving, I only saw one wounded. When I clicked on it, its wounds were gone and it only said "regenerating". The visitors had both a paladin and a druid, who healed their wounded comrades. Looking forward to seeing raiders in action!

On a side note, the magic-user icon disappears when you pause the game.

Edit : Is there any problem that Summon doesn't solve?

Invaders coming fast? Summon them one at a time.
Enemies hiding behind cover? Summon.
Ally downed near enemies? Summon.
Slow-walking visitor getting downed on the way out? Walk ahead of him and Summon him.

Forget all the nukes. Summon is the best spell.

Hehe for any tarvern fight, keep your paladin buddy close to you ! :-)
Or have a druid girlfriend at home.
But beware to start a social fight with her ! :-)

I've been rather busy recently, so i ended up not adding more to the notepad. Thanks to that, i got out of tune with the ideas, so i'll post them as they were written, meaning that there's only a handful of things. Discussion on the boss mechanics would be great.

Bosses

Bosses are rare monsters that sometimes spawn. Some of them spawn as a result of events, other as a result of something that triggered the spawn, while others must be spawned manually (be it by players or AI). When spawned, the player gains a red letter message, which pauses the game and informs which boss spawned, and the option to lead the camera there. There can only be one boss active at a time, but if more are spawned or the trigger activates while one is alive, as soon as the first boss ends, the next one will spawn. Each boss will have it's own special drops. Bosses only start spawning after the first year. If playing on extreme difficulty mode, bosses can start spawning on day 5. No triggers/spawns will activate before this period, as to not have massive boss waves once they can spawn. All bosses have an 'enrage' mode, which is triggered when something is or is not done (depends on the boss). Enrage mode is a permanent buff that causes the boss to deal 2x damage and take only 25% damage. All bosses can drop a special, very rare boss statue related to the corresponding boss. These statues provide a 1% boost to every stat for all colonists and allies in the map while placed down. You do not get another 1% boost for having the same statue twice (to avoid people farming easy-to-spawn bosses). Stacks up to 30 times (30 different statues), albeit it's very unlikely that anyone will get this amount without cheating.
Note: Drops on these ideas will also include items that i have previously mentioned in other idea posts. If they it doesn't really matter if they aren't added, i'm adding to the idea for the sake of adding. All bosses will also have between 1 and 4 unique drops, which aren't dropped/gained anywhere else.

I will not provide boss names on these idea posts, as names are the hardest part of getting ideas to be complete (for me). I will simply name them stuff like "Boss 1" or something related to their ability, like "Eater boss".

Eater boss
This boss is spawned by leaving too many humanlike corpses around. Every corpse adds a 1% chance of the boss spawning at midnight, everyday. This boss starts out as weak as a human, but each corpse it eats (humanlike or animal) increases it's strength by 30%. Rotting/dessicated animal corpses cannot be eaten, although humanlike ones can. This boss has the ability to pick up and use weapons, as well as it can use necromancer spells.
Enrage mode is activated by not eating any corpse in 30 seconds. This boss spawns near a random corpse that it can eat.
This boss may drop one of the following: Necromancer tome (rare), spell scroll (higher chance of necromancer spells), a low-tier magic weapon, 5 mana potions or the Consume Corpse spell scroll (rare/unique drop).


Spells

High Voltage (thunder/scroll)
Targetted spell usable on buildings and built floors. Casting on a metallic building or floor will cause electricity to spread to tiles connected via metal. Lower damage the farther it is from the spot it was cast on. Targets with bionic body parts take extra damage. Metals that don't conduct electricity well will mostly be unaffected by this spell.

Consume Corpse (necromancer/boss scroll) (Paladins cannot learn this)
This spell can be used on humanlike corpses or animal corpses (neither can be dessicated or rotting) for a 40% and 20% mana gain respectively. The corpse will vanish, and the pawn that cast it will gain any mood buffs/debuffs related to eating raw corpses (depending on their traits). Necromancers will also have a 1% chance of gaining a skill point. Costs 0 mana to cast, long cooldown.
Edit: I didn't know this was already an spell as i haven't played rimworld since before necromancers got added o-o Just saw it in-game.


Classes

Hero (mana and stamina)
The Hero class cannot be learned. Faction leaders will have a 25% chance to have this class. This class starts out weak, with no skills or spells. It can learn any spell and skill that have a scroll - but cannot learn anything that doesn't have a scroll version. Heroes are the primary target of enemies (must be in sight). Heroes are basically a jack of all trades, and master of none.


Items

Magic Handcuffs
Makes it so the pawn cannot cast magic until it's removed. Can only be removed with magic from another pawn. Good for magical prisoners. Can only be equipped by humanoids.


Other

Make it so pawns with Alzheimer have a small chance of forgetting learnt scroll spells, with the chance triggering every x days.

Edit: I can't seem to be able to level up Phase Strike's skills, other than the main one.

(https://i.imgur.com/t2G2qeN.png)


Error i get when i try to use Teleport spell:

Exception ticking Projectile_Teleport79552: System.ArgumentNullException: Argument cannot be null.
Parameter name: type
  at System.Activator.CheckType (System.Type type) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at System.Activator.CreateInstance (System.Type type, Boolean nonPublic) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at System.Activator.CreateInstance (System.Type type) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at Verse.ThingMaker.MakeThing (Verse.ThingDef def, Verse.ThingDef stuff) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at TorannMagic.Projectile_Teleport.SingleSpawnLoop (AbilityUser.SpawnThings spawnables, IntVec3 position, Verse.Map map) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at TorannMagic.Projectile_Teleport.Impact (Verse.Thing hitThing) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at AbilityUser.Projectile_AbilityBase.ImpactSomething () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at AbilityUser.Projectile_AbilityBase.Tick () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at TorannMagic.Projectile_Teleport.Tick () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at Verse.TickList.Tick () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
Verse.Log:Error(String)
Verse.TickList:Tick()
Verse.TickManager:DoSingleTick()
Verse.TickManager:TickManagerUpdate()
Verse.Game:UpdatePlay()
Verse.Root_Play:Update()

Quote from: Toketsu on January 18, 2018, 05:32:03 PM
I will not provide boss names on these idea posts, as names are the hardest part of getting ideas to be complete (for me). I will simply name them stuff like "Boss 1" or something related to their ability, like "Eater boss".

Eater boss
This boss is spawned by leaving too many humanlike corpses around. Every corpse adds a 1% chance of the boss spawning at midnight, everyday. This boss starts out as weak as a human, but each corpse it eats (humanlike or animal) increases it's strength by 30%. Rotting/dessicated animal corpses cannot be eaten, although humanlike ones can. This boss has the ability to pick up and use weapons, as well as it can use necromancer spells.
Enrage mode is activated by not eating any corpse in 30 seconds. This boss spawns near a random corpse that it can eat.
This boss may drop one of the following: Necromancer tome (rare), spell scroll (higher chance of necromancer spells), a low-tier magic weapon, 5 mana potions or the Consume Corpse spell scroll (rare/unique drop).

For that one, what about something menacing like "Consumer of Souls" or something like that?

I'd like to say I'm not that bad at naming stuff.

Toketsu,
i think you got the same error i encounter too.
Do you got yellow warning about teleport when you start the game ?
Could you please use Share log button and post the link, i want compare the mods that follow TMagic.

Move TMagic at the end of the modlist that solved the issue for me at last.

After playing with this mod for a while i gotta say the Arcane magician is the best.
Great for rescuing pawns and boosting overall productiveness. (The Magic Missile spell is useless though, would like it replaced for something else :P.)

Would be lovely if there was a "Alchemist\Artificer" class at some point. Would not necessarily have any offensive and defensive abilities on their own but would have the ability to craft Wondrous Items (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/wondrous-items/). Like a super crafter. Maybe in conjuction with the Infused mod from NotFood there would be additional chances to infuse the item.

Yep i like the Arcanist too.
But more for the teleport spell :-) Ok the other spells are very useful too, and the magic missile if you level it up is good against Centipeds because of the confusion.
Summoner is very handy too, minions that haul for you, elementals to fight and act as target dummies.

About these "Alchemist\Artificer", would be nice if he could enchant item like the Infused mod. 5 level of the skills, 1-4 how strong the random effect are, and the 5. let you pick a special infusion.


Edit:
Ohh i just notice, when you deconstruct the portal you gain Mana potion.
But the non-existent portal still explode.

Quote from: Canute on January 19, 2018, 02:40:29 AM
Toketsu,
i think you got the same error i encounter too.
Do you got yellow warning about teleport when you start the game ?
Could you please use Share log button and post the link, i want compare the mods that follow TMagic.

Move TMagic at the end of the modlist that solved the issue for me at last.

No idea, i get like over 500 errors when i load the game (none which actually cause issues as far as i know), and the mod is already at the bottom of the list.

Cheers for this mod, perfect for that Fantasy Rimworld experience!

I've just had my necromancer create his first undead from a corpse (The corpse of an orc from the orc invasion mod, I suppose that might matter) and this zombie defies all the laws of necromancy; he does social and caring tasks (despite being marked as not being capable) and whenever he hits 52% rest, he drops back down to 50% rest and essentially will sleep forever if I don't draft him to wake him up now and then

I LOVE the arcane mage. I think the arcane projectile is good. With the sheer amount of projectiles the dmgs are actually quite good like a LMG. It's a great assassination skill. But I also had issues with teleport (not the blink the actual portal teleport). I tried using it when I had a quest to move around. It did not display fail or succes over the caster's head. It played a sound, but no portal appeared.

Here's the logs (Magic mod was loaded last).
https://gist.github.com/c8c125aeccba4f0d2dfcbb5f46a363a6

What I did before sharing the logs:

• load my game (mods are listed)
• draft arcanist and bring outside
• cast teleport

Quote from: ChJees on January 19, 2018, 05:22:41 AM
After playing with this mod for a while i gotta say the Arcane magician is the best.
Great for rescuing pawns and boosting overall productiveness. (The Magic Missile spell is useless though, would like it replaced for something else :P.)

Would be lovely if there was a "Alchemist\Artificer" class at some point. Would not necessarily have any offensive and defensive abilities on their own but would have the ability to craft Wondrous Items (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/wondrous-items/). Like a super crafter. Maybe in conjuction with the Infused mod from NotFood there would be additional chances to infuse the item.

As for magic missile, I have to disagree, I think it's probably one of the strongest spells in terms of direct power.  It's the only DD spell the Arcanist gets, but at max level it can stream 38 projectiles, dealing ~7 damage each which can result in over 250 damage.  That easily puts it in line with the top tier weapon systems.  To add to its power, it has a chance to confuse, the duration is extremely short, so if it triggers once or twice it's more like an interrupt, but it can stack, so at higher levels it can confuse an enemy for 5-10 seconds.
Biggest drawback it has is that it is heavily dependent on the shooting accuracy of the mage, so if you have a terrible shooter / poor eyes, you can miss a lot, especially at longer ranges, making the spell lose a lot of its effectiveness.

You described the design plan for items/artifacts almost precisely!

Quote from: Toketsu on January 18, 2018, 05:32:03 PM
Bosses

Edit: I can't seem to be able to level up Phase Strike's skills, other than the main one.

Error i get when i try to use Teleport spell:

Bosses are definitely planned, along with some other events that will be centered around magic and the Arcane Fold faction.  I think most of these you came up with!
A few on my list:
Rogue elemental portal: a portal has opened on the map and will spawn hostile elementals until the portal is closed.  Will be guarded by a group of elementals and will periodically spawn small groups of elementals to assault the colony until the portal is destroyed.
Arcane Bandits - a small group of mages assault the colony in the attempt to make out with magical artifacts - will have a high concentration of magic users and will fight ferociously
Wandering necromancer - a necromancer enters the map with a group of undead and will prioritize moving about the map raising corpses as minions.  After awhile, the necromancer will either leave or turn hostile and attack the colony.
Reintroduction of the Arcane Tower: An arch-mage makes themself known to the colony by declaring a specific mage to be in violation of using unsanctioned magic.  The colony will have the option of sending the mage to the tower for 'training' or to defy the declaration and keep the mage.  If the player decides to follow the rules and sends the mage away, the pawn will leave the colony.  The arcane tower will remain on the map and may continue making demands of any new mages the colony has.  If the player chooses to defy the arch-mage, then the tower will periodically send raiding parties and will call down powerful spells on the colony (such as firestorm, lightning storm, and blizzard at random points in the home area).  The tower and residing arch-mage will, of course, be attackable.

I don't know if any of those fit in with the "Boss" concept, but Ive been thinking about introducing a new pawn type that excels at magic.  I want to call this creature an "Overlord" and will have improved capacities, health, etc... maybe even unique spells.  Definitely fits in with a boss type though.

As far as those errors, I just double checked and had no issues leveling up the bladedancer skills.  Dimension blade has a bug in the 1.7.1 version that doesn't allow it to be leveled past 1/3, but that's been corrected in the working version and will be fixed next update.  Also, no issues with teleport...

I've implemented and have been testing some exception handling for various skills (blink, teleport, summons, phase strike) that seem to have some unexplained errors I haven't been able to track down (mostly because I can consistently recreate the error).  That being said, the exception handling will restore the ability user to a safe state and restore mana/stamina.

Quote from: Jimmy P on January 19, 2018, 08:58:58 AM
Cheers for this mod, perfect for that Fantasy Rimworld experience!

I've just had my necromancer create his first undead from a corpse (The corpse of an orc from the orc invasion mod, I suppose that might matter) and this zombie defies all the laws of necromancy; he does social and caring tasks (despite being marked as not being capable) and whenever he hits 52% rest, he drops back down to 50% rest and essentially will sleep forever if I don't draft him to wake him up now and then

Thanks for the note, if the undead pawn is directed to sleep during specific hours, they'll still go to sleep.  I was not aware they'd stay asleep however, but that makes sense.  If you set them to never sleep, that should resolve them ever trying.  An undead refinement update is planned and hopefully I can make the undead behave and interact in a more expected manner.

Quote from: HerrColonel on January 19, 2018, 12:32:22 PM
Here's the logs (Magic mod was loaded last).

I noticed that under the TMagic mod it has Jecstools 1.0.6.1.  Jecstools dll shouldn't exist under my mod, so you might check your TMagic mod folder and make sure there is no lingering 0Jecstools.dll or Jecstools.dll along with the TorannMagic.dll, if there is, delete it so that the jecstools version you have loaded first won't be overwritten.
Also, I think jecstools is on version 1.0.8.6, though I  only use a sub-class which is AbilityUser and AbilityUserAI, so that might not matter.

You were right I found a JecsTools.dll in \TMagic\Assemblies. I deleted it and reloaded my game. So it should take into account my JecsTools version loaded before (it's 1.0.8.6). But the same error still occurs an the portal doesn't open. Just in case, here's the logs again:
https://gist.github.com/01736220f786363f4d7197109f67b542

I appreciate your fast answer on my issue

Quote from: Torann on January 19, 2018, 01:16:27 PM
Reintroduction of the Arcane Tower: An arch-mage makes themself known to the colony by declaring a specific mage to be in violation of using unsanctioned magic.  The colony will have the option of sending the mage to the tower for 'training' or to defy the declaration and keep the mage.  If the player decides to follow the rules and sends the mage away, the pawn will leave the colony.  The arcane tower will remain on the map and may continue making demands of any new mages the colony has.  If the player chooses to defy the arch-mage, then the tower will periodically send raiding parties and will call down powerful spells on the colony (such as firestorm, lightning storm, and blizzard at random points in the home area).  The tower and residing arch-mage will, of course, be attackable.

This sounds quite interesting o-o

Quote from: Torann on January 19, 2018, 01:16:27 PM
I don't know if any of those fit in with the "Boss" concept, but Ive been thinking about introducing a new pawn type that excels at magic.  I want to call this creature an "Overlord" and will have improved capacities, health, etc... maybe even unique spells.  Definitely fits in with a boss type though.

Considering the name, it could have Mind spells, inducing mental breaks, mind control, map-wide mood debuffs, etc.

I reanimated a fire mage and he is trying to do medical jobs. Throws this error:

Attempted to calculate value for disabled stat MedicalTendSpeed; this is meant as a consistency check, either set the stat to neverDisabled or ensure this pawn cannot accidentally use this stat (thing=Stove)
Verse.Log:Error(String)
Verse.Log:ErrorOnce(String, Int32)
RimWorld.StatWorker:GetValueUnfinalized(StatRequest, Boolean)
RimWorld.StatWorker:GetValue(StatRequest, Boolean)
RimWorld.StatWorker:GetValue(Thing, Boolean)
RimWorld.StatExtension:GetStatValue_Patch1(Thing, StatDef, Boolean)
RimWorld.<MakeNewToils>c__Iterator0:MoveNext()
Verse.AI.JobDriver:SetupToils()
Verse.AI.Pawn_JobTracker:StartJob(Job, JobCondition, ThinkNode, Boolean, Boolean, ThinkTreeDef, Nullable`1, Boolean)
Verse.AI.Pawn_JobTracker:TryFindAndStartJob()
Verse.AI.Pawn_JobTracker:EndCurrentJob(JobCondition, Boolean)
RimWorld.Pawn_DraftController:set_Drafted_Patch2(Object, Boolean)
RimWorld.<GetGizmos>c__Iterator0:<>m__0()
Verse.Command_Toggle:ProcessInput(Event)
Verse.GizmoGridDrawer:DrawGizmoGrid(IEnumerable`1, Single, Gizmo&)
RimWorld.InspectGizmoGrid:DrawInspectGizmoGridFor(IEnumerable`1)
RimWorld.MainTabWindow_Inspect:DrawInspectGizmos()
RimWorld.InspectPaneUtility:ExtraOnGUI(IInspectPane)
RimWorld.MainTabWindow_Inspect:ExtraOnGUI_Patch1(Object)
Verse.WindowStack:WindowStackOnGUI()
RimWorld.UIRoot_Play:UIRootOnGUI()
Verse.Root:OnGUI()

I've done like 10 playthroughs and I still haven't seen a single spell or mana bar yet.
From what I've experienced, this mod was made by that kind of person who gets to late-game without trouble, or by someone who thinks money makes magic.

By the time I have enough money, a magically gifted pawn, the necessary scrolls, I'm already way too much invested in electricity and stuff just to keep myself alive to see the magic.
Then the pawn dies because of a squirrel and all the money, effort and time is wasted.

Fix your fucking mod, this is bad.
p.s. idgaf whether any of you think this is presumptuous

Quote from: tmo97 on January 19, 2018, 06:14:03 PM
I've done like 10 playthroughs and I still haven't seen a single spell or mana bar yet.
From what I've experienced, this mod was made by that kind of person who gets to late-game without trouble, or by someone who thinks money makes magic.

By the time I have enough money, a magically gifted pawn, the necessary scrolls, I'm already way too much invested in electricity and stuff just to keep myself alive to see the magic.
Then the pawn dies because of a squirrel and all the money, effort and time is wasted.

Fix your fucking mod, this is bad.
p.s. idgaf whether any of you think this is presumptuous

In my first magic playthrought the first trader caravan I ever encountered had scrolls to sell. It was waaay before I was able to buy any. Magic pawns are super rare though, but that's because of how random traits are. I started with pawns made with prepare carefully, but I also encountered a "fleeing princess" event where the pawn I rescued was actually a gladiator!

Quote from: tmo97 on January 19, 2018, 06:14:03 PM
Fix your fucking mod, this is bad.

If you are unable to deal with enemy spellcasting, then there is a button in mod settings to turn it off.
You can just start with someone who is already a mage if you feel that it takes you too long to get to the tomes. You can also capture additional mages from pod crashes or raids.
Also BYOG instead of blaming the mod creator.

The TMagic errors i get when i load the game:

(https://i.imgur.com/lujm29c.png)

If you need the detailed info from them, just say.

I got these errors too, but once i moved TMagic at the end of the modlist they didn't appear anymore.
But didn't helped at your case you said.
When did you update jecstools the last time ?

Quote from: Canute on January 20, 2018, 05:21:37 AM
I got these errors too, but once i moved TMagic at the end of the modlist they didn't appear anymore.
But didn't helped at your case you said.
When did you update jecstools the last time ?

I use steam workshop, so i don't need manual updating, as far as i know.

Hi. Can someone tell me the best way to equip a mage? What I mean is, if the pawn also has a weapon and gets drafted, what is he going to use, spells or the weapon?

In other words, is it best to leave mages unarmed or... ?

Quote from: crusader2010 on January 20, 2018, 02:12:25 PM
Hi. Can someone tell me the best way to equip a mage? What I mean is, if the pawn also has a weapon and gets drafted, what is he going to use, spells or the weapon?

In other words, is it best to leave mages unarmed or... ?

Hi Crusader.  Some of this depends on the mage or combat class.  Bladedancers require a melee weapon to use their skills and Snipers require a ranged weapon and a Gladiator does best with a melee weapon (imo).  The magic classes don't have weapon restrictions and methods of attack (weapon or magic) are independent, meaning a mage can cast spells and use weapons at the same time.  Spells are directed and in addition to your weapon attack, so you would select the mage then choose the spell to use manually.  If you're out of mana or none of your spells fit in the situation, you can always use your weapon attack as a fallback.

I never notice any of my pawn to use spells at their own.
Only NPC who did some spells. Mosttime i just notice they summon one of my pawns.
So i think equip the weapon the pawn can best use (mellee or range), and let them use spells at your command.

It's true, pawns don't use magic on their own, but keep in mind that most or all offensive spells can't be cast while using a shield belt. Mages are better off with ranged weapons.

I also tend to value my mages higher than other minions, so ranged weapons make sense.

PSA : Be careful about using hard mode. One exploding enemy will kill everything within its range.

Hello,

I searched the thread but did not see such question.
Summoner's minions only haul and rescue, but they do not do other chores.
Is it current behavior or I have some conflict on my side?

Thanks

Hi, when using phase strike my pawn sometimes disappears. Like from the game. Is there some lore where they get stuck in the pocket dimension? I end up loading a save to get them back.

Quote from: Buli on January 20, 2018, 05:53:49 PM
Hello,

I searched the thread but did not see such question.
Summoner's minions only haul and rescue, but they do not do other chores.
Is it current behavior or I have some conflict on my side?

Thanks

They will also fight for you, though they have many weak spots and will flee from the map if downed, so they don't make great fighters.

Quote from: divxwind on January 21, 2018, 12:56:43 AM
Hi, when using phase strike my pawn sometimes disappears. Like from the game. Is there some lore where they get stuck in the pocket dimension? I end up loading a save to get them back.

This is never intended.  I haven't been able to figure out why this (seemingly randomly) occurs, but have been able to implement some exception handling to restore the pawn to the original location if it does occur.  This fix will be included in the next update (hopefully sometime tomorrow).

Quote from: Buli on January 20, 2018, 05:53:49 PM
I searched the thread but did not see such question.
Summoner's minions only haul and rescue, but they do not do other chores.
Is it current behavior or I have some conflict on my side?

Minions are like full trained animal's without master.
They do all your animals would do too.

If you want minion who clean,mine,harvest,deconstruct too, you need to use the Minion mod.

Quote from: divxwind on January 21, 2018, 12:56:43 AM
Hi, when using phase strike my pawn sometimes disappears. Like from the game. Is there some lore where they get stuck in the pocket dimension? I end up loading a save to get them back.

Toran,
I got a similar behavior with the 1.6 version and Vampires, but Valiant charge and the War form from a vampire together.
It gave a great explosion and the vampire was gone.

@Torann: thank you for the info :)

I may be having a mod conflict or possibly a bug but Cure Disease doesn't seem to have any effect even at levels 2/3 in everything (Tested on Flu and Infection). Also pawns tend to run back/away before casting magic making it really difficult to use spells while staying in defensive positions (Could this perhaps be Grenade Fix?)

Any ideas? Thanks for your hard work.

Quote from: Zxypher on January 21, 2018, 12:17:16 PM
Also pawns tend to run back/away before casting magic making it really difficult to use spells while staying in defensive positions (Could this perhaps be Grenade Fix?)

Any ideas? Thanks for your hard work.

Having pawns drafted seems to stop this behaviour, at least for me.

Quote from: Canute on January 21, 2018, 04:16:00 AM

Quote from: Buli on January 20, 2018, 05:53:49 PM
I searched the thread but did not see such question.
Summoner's minions only haul and rescue, but they do not do other chores.
Is it current behavior or I have some conflict on my side?

Minions are like full trained animal's without master.
They do all your animals would do too.

If you want minion who clean,mine,harvest,deconstruct too, you need to use the Minion mod.

Ah, OK. Haulers are really important so I am not complaining, it is just their description seemed to imply they could do other things, so I was not sure if there was some issue.

Thanks for answer.

Hello again :) it seems there is a very small bug with showing information in the Food tab of the minions.
Also, they have "Medicine" preselected instead of "herbal medicine" like other animals have.

Can this be fixed?

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Updated to v1.7.6

• Change to the default behavior when assigning abilities. In previous versions, all class abilities would be assigned unless using a torn script to learn an advanced trait. Now, abilities are assigned in a random nature when a pawn is given a trait. This affects all preparatory character creation and mods such as EDB Prepare Carefully and Android printing. Advancing from precursor traits (magically gifted, physically adept) to advanced traits via use a a full arcane script will always assign all class abilities.
  
  
• The Arcane mage master spell "Gateway" has been added. Through intensive research and study, mages have been able to fold reality between two places, allowing instant travel. This knowledge has manifested in two ways - the Arcane mage can now learn the Gateway master spell and perform a mass summon from any colonist occupied map to the caster position.
  
  
• Colonies are now able to research a method to apply the Arcane Gateway spell and construct Portals. These artifacts may then be activated by (and only by) Arcane mages that have learned the Gateway spell. As long as a portal is charged with energy, it is capable of instantly transporting items and pawns to a distant location.
  
  
• Exception handling has been added for all abilities that attempt to create, destroy, or move pawns or items. This includes abilities such as teleport, phase strike, blink, summon elemental (and so on). In the event of a failure within the ability, the exception handler will attempt restore any pawns or items involved and then immediately end the ability.
  
  
• Trait tweaking - base trait occurrence likelihood has been increased; Sniper and Bladedancer traits will now only assign AI to the lowest level of the trait.
  
  
• Druid spell "Cure Disease" will now attempt to cure the disease even if the disease has been tended.
  
  
• Deconstruction of summoned buildings will no longer return mana potions (returns nothing)
  
  
• Undead should no longer attempt to research or tend other pawns (or themselves); when undead are created, they will automatically be assigned a 24hr work cycle.
  
  
• Tweaked stamina user xp gain - increased to level at approximately the same speed as mages.

Update should resolve the disappearing bladedancer during phase strike - I've been able to see a successful occurrence and recovery for this bug.

As far as pawns running away, they shouldn't, unless you're using a mod that also patches default GotoCastPosition.

Minions used to be able to do more things... like smash walls and consume drugs but I had too many complaints.  ::)

Quote from: Torann on January 21, 2018, 06:27:48 PM
Updated to v1.7.6

• The Arcane mage master spell "Gateway" has been added. Through intensive research and study, mages have been able to fold reality between two places, allowing instant travel. This knowledge has manifested in two ways - the Arcane mage can now learn the Gateway master spell and perform a mass summon from any colonist occupied map to the caster position.
  
  

[li] Colonies are now able to research a method to apply the Arcane Gateway spell and construct Portals. These artifacts may then be activated by (and only by) Arcane mages that have learned the Gateway spell. As long as a portal is charged with energy, it is capable of instantly transporting items and pawns to a distant location.
[/li][/list]

o-o Been waiting for portals! Also, sorry but i'm 100% dry from ideas, might take a while to recover.

*reach Toketsu a Potion of high inspiration and bandage his fingers*

Quote from: Canute on January 22, 2018, 03:23:21 AM
*reach Toketsu a Potion of high inspiration and bandage his fingers*

o-o

So I'm thinking with these portals I might be able to have a psuedo Z level with maybe the Set-Up Camp mod. With that, you can make permanent 75x75 maps. I'm thinking if you could just use Dev mode and put rock walls around the edge of your "camp" map, so that the only things that will come into the map will be stuff you spawn in. Don't want raids, animals, plants, or other factions' pawns just wandering in. Would be cool if you could have it as permanent night time too, to simulate this being underground, or deep under a mountain or as your dungeon.

Oh, the new mod Biomes might be perfect for this if I could have a mini cave biome, only accessable with teleporters. I'm thinking it would be cool to have my regular mountain/cave base, but deep within, it will have a teleporter to my special dungeon map, where I do all of my cult, prison labor, and other cynical stuff that I don't want any other factions to see (due to roleplay purposes, or I might put in major malices to mood if anyone sees these things going on.)

This update cleared all the error I had, so thanks for that.

I still didn't managed to make the mass teleport work. Now it says "portal has collapsed" and explode instantly (without throwing any error). Does someone manage to use it? I tried with and without the \Mods\TMagic\Assemblies\JecTools.dll and always with the JecTools 1.0.8.6 loaded before

I'm doing the new portal research ATM, I was hoping to use that instead. But as far as I understand I need to build the portals on both end right?

Quote from: HerrColonel on January 23, 2018, 06:04:02 PM
This update cleared all the error I had, so thanks for that.

I still didn't managed to make the mass teleport work. Now it says "portal has collapsed" and explode instantly (without throwing any error). Does someone manage to use it? I tried with and without the \Mods\TMagic\Assemblies\JecTools.dll and always with the JecTools 1.0.8.6 loaded before

I'm doing the new portal research ATM, I was hoping to use that instead. But as far as I understand I need to build the portals on both end right?

Think of teleport as a pod launcher, because it basically is, just one with modified carrying capacity and range.  It has to be used outside on flat ground for the target square and every square around it (no rocks, no trees, no people).  If the area you attempt to cast the spell on wouldn't allow a building to be put there, then it won't let the teleport to be summoned there either, and it instantly collapses instead of generating a bunch of errors.

Portals are quite different.  These are buildings that you research, construct, then activate and set a destination.  Destinations can be pretty much anywhere (inside, outside, etc), it still has to be valid ground, you can't set the destination to the middle of a mountain.  They do not pair.  You can also portal to your own map.  This could be useful to move across the map quickly to get some pawns behind a raiding party to flank them (as an example).  The most useful scenario is probably to move items and pawns across the world instantly between colonies, but if you don't have a return portal, it'll be a one way trip.
Also remember that you need a fully trained Arcane mage that has learned Gateway to activate a portal.

Pawn --> Arcane Mage --> Learns Gateway -\
                                                                  |--> Activate Portal (choose destination) --> Charge portal --> use portal
Research Portals ---------> Build Portal-------/

I think I'm stupid, but the constant use of portal and gateway has me a little confused until I check it out in game :P

Portal worked well for me, didn't used gateway yet.
But don't forget to have latest jecstools installed. And when you see yellow warnings about teleport at game startup there is something wrong and teleport didn't work.

Quote from: Harry_Dicks on January 24, 2018, 06:45:08 AM
I think I'm stupid, but the constant use of portal and gateway has me a little confused until I check it out in game :P

Haha yes, it can be a bit confusing.

"Teleport" is the pod launcher utility spell.
"Gateway" is the Arcane Mage master spell and works like a mass summon, except it has a global reach. (the area of effect ring currently does not show, but it has a 7square radius)
"Portals" are constructed buildings that can move items or pawns instantly and has a global reach.  (it's a "right click" option, so with a pawn selected, you right click the portal, select menu option "use portal")

Oh awesome. So they do not require a mage. The previous post you made, with the lines and arrows, I think does not look proper on mobile for me, so I had trouble understanding.

Any chance you think we could have portals as a stand alone mod? ;D

You NEED an arcanist, just re-read the post 4 above you from torann.

Thanks for the awesome explaination Torann. I'm going to try the teleporter again this evening. I used to cast it on a "clear" area (no trees, walls or chunks). But I didn't account for the small grass or plants that typically need to be removed when building. So I'm going to try again on a 100% clear concrete floor hopefully that is goin to work.
I'll also experiment with portal, but later when I'll have more colonies and the gateway spell =P

I noticed there's a new version of JecsTools on GitHub (1.0.8.7.1) so I'm going to use that. But I'm not sure if I need to keep or delete the JecsTools.dll located in \Mods\TMagic\Assemblies\

Thanks for taking time to reply

Quote from: HerrColonel on January 24, 2018, 09:32:24 AM
I noticed there's a new version of JecsTools on GitHub (1.0.8.7.1) so I'm going to use that. But I'm not sure if I need to keep or delete the JecsTools.dll located in \Mods\TMagic\Assemblies\

Delete it.  I'm not sure how that got there, maybe I made a slip in the past and it was included in an old version.  Regardless, the only .dll that should be in the TMagic\Assemblies\ folder is the TorannMagic.dll file.

Does these .dll even comes into game ?
I though the first loaded .dll count unlike patches. Thats why required mods should be placed at first.

When I click on my Druid's Regenerate spell procs the Animal Hunting alert mod and releases it again the moment you cast it or cancel it.

I half shat myself twice before realising what was going on :D

Quote from: Torann on January 24, 2018, 11:05:19 AM
Delete it.  I'm not sure how that got there, maybe I made a slip in the past and it was included in an old version.  Regardless, the only .dll that should be in the TMagic\Assemblies\ folder is the TorannMagic.dll file.

Since you told me it shouldn't be there, I was surprised to find it in your latest update too. Regardless, it's gone now. I still fail at using the spell  :-\ I made some screenshots because I'm pretty sure I used it correctly.

https://imgur.com/wDOpkgO
https://imgur.com/PIpIRp8

Here's also my logs:
https://gist.github.com/312426f5f9da1ded18acfafac02859ff
What I did was: load game, cast teleport like shown on screenies, upload logs. No error poped during the game, but the logs are still interesting.

QuoteAttempted to create a portal but threw an unknown exception - recovering and ending attempt

and here's my mod list:
https://imgur.com/HxL9jIV

Quote from: Canute on January 24, 2018, 09:16:07 AM
You NEED an arcanist, just re-read the post 4 above you from torann.

So we still need an arcanist for portals? I thought they were just for gateways or summons? And you just build the portal like it is a building? I think I frustrate Canute with being silly  ;D

Quote from: HerrColonel on January 24, 2018, 12:46:44 PM
Here's also my logs:
https://gist.github.com/312426f5f9da1ded18acfafac02859ff
What I did was: load game, cast teleport like shown on screenies, upload logs. No error poped during the game, but the logs are still interesting.

QuoteAttempted to create a portal but threw an unknown exception - recovering and ending attempt

The log shows these "Config error in TM_Teleporter_...."
With this errors it don't work. And since you said you installed the latest jecstool i have no clue.
Since it isn't much work, just delete jecstools and TMagic folder and unzip them again, except you allways delete the mod-folder before you update a mod.

Quote from: Torann on January 23, 2018, 11:26:04 PM

Quote from: HerrColonel on January 23, 2018, 06:04:02 PM
This update cleared all the error I had, so thanks for that.

I still didn't managed to make the mass teleport work. Now it says "portal has collapsed" and explode instantly (without throwing any error). Does someone manage to use it? I tried with and without the \Mods\TMagic\Assemblies\JecTools.dll and always with the JecTools 1.0.8.6 loaded before

I'm doing the new portal research ATM, I was hoping to use that instead. But as far as I understand I need to build the portals on both end right?

Think of teleport as a pod launcher, because it basically is, just one with modified carrying capacity and range.  It has to be used outside on flat ground for the target square and every square around it (no rocks, no trees, no people).  If the area you attempt to cast the spell on wouldn't allow a building to be put there, then it won't let the teleport to be summoned there either, and it instantly collapses instead of generating a bunch of errors.

Portals are quite different.  These are buildings that you research, construct, then activate and set a destination.  Destinations can be pretty much anywhere (inside, outside, etc), it still has to be valid ground, you can't set the destination to the middle of a mountain.  They do not pair.  You can also portal to your own map.  This could be useful to move across the map quickly to get some pawns behind a raiding party to flank them (as an example).  The most useful scenario is probably to move items and pawns across the world instantly between colonies, but if you don't have a return portal, it'll be a one way trip.
Also remember that you need a fully trained Arcane mage that has learned Gateway to activate a portal.

Pawn --> Arcane Mage --> Learns Gateway -\
                                                                  |--> Activate Portal (choose destination) --> Charge portal --> use portal
Research Portals ---------> Build Portal-------/

Canute, according to Torann's post I don't need an arcane mage to have a portal. I can just research it and then build it? Is there something I am not getting? Arcane mage = gateway = activate portal/change portal/use portal. OR you can research portals = build portal with all the same activate/change/use.

Is this incorrect?

Currently i don't play with TMagic so i am not 100% sure.
So far i understood it.
You maybe can research it and build the structure.
But only a Arcanist with the master spell can open on this stucture the portal to somewhere.
Why you don't just try it out and report back ! :-)

Quote from: Harry_Dicks on January 24, 2018, 06:25:56 PM

Quote from: Torann on January 23, 2018, 11:26:04 PM

Quote from: HerrColonel on January 23, 2018, 06:04:02 PM
This update cleared all the error I had, so thanks for that.

I still didn't managed to make the mass teleport work. Now it says "portal has collapsed" and explode instantly (without throwing any error). Does someone manage to use it? I tried with and without the \Mods\TMagic\Assemblies\JecTools.dll and always with the JecTools 1.0.8.6 loaded before

I'm doing the new portal research ATM, I was hoping to use that instead. But as far as I understand I need to build the portals on both end right?

Think of teleport as a pod launcher, because it basically is, just one with modified carrying capacity and range.  It has to be used outside on flat ground for the target square and every square around it (no rocks, no trees, no people).  If the area you attempt to cast the spell on wouldn't allow a building to be put there, then it won't let the teleport to be summoned there either, and it instantly collapses instead of generating a bunch of errors.

Portals are quite different.  These are buildings that you research, construct, then activate and set a destination.  Destinations can be pretty much anywhere (inside, outside, etc), it still has to be valid ground, you can't set the destination to the middle of a mountain.  They do not pair.  You can also portal to your own map.  This could be useful to move across the map quickly to get some pawns behind a raiding party to flank them (as an example).  The most useful scenario is probably to move items and pawns across the world instantly between colonies, but if you don't have a return portal, it'll be a one way trip.
Also remember that you need a fully trained Arcane mage that has learned Gateway to activate a portal.

Pawn --> Arcane Mage --> Learns Gateway -\
                                                                  |--> Activate Portal (choose destination) --> Charge portal --> use portal
Research Portals ---------> Build Portal-------/

Canute, according to Torann's post I don't need an arcane mage to have a portal. I can just research it and then build it? Is there something I am not getting? Arcane mage = gateway = activate portal/change portal/use portal. OR you can research portals = build portal with all the same activate/change/use.

Is this incorrect?

I haven't played for a while, but from what i read from posts, you need an arcane mage that knows the Gateway spell. I'm unsure if you need him whenever you want to use, or just to 'activate' the portal, but it is a fact that you need an arcane mage with that spell.

Quote from: Toketsu on January 24, 2018, 06:50:41 PM
I haven't played for a while, but from what i read from posts, you need an arcane mage that knows the Gateway spell. I'm unsure if you need him whenever you want to use, or just to 'activate' the portal, but it is a fact that you need an arcane mage with that spell.

Ahh, I think I understand now. You need to research the portal, and have an arcane mage learn the master spell as well. And only after you have researched and learned it, can the arcane mage summon a permanent portal?

Fuck man. I wanted the arcane mage to be able to summon people to him, and also teleport himself+group to up to X amount of cells (map tiles) away. But I wanted there to also be a "permanent portal" that you can unlock through research, and just be able to build, with or without the arcane mage. I figured the arcane mage for instant spells, but then something else that you unlock through research which will stay open indefinitely. Is that what it is now, where it requires some of the arcane mage's mana to hold open a portal indefinitely?

I swear I'm not trying to make this complicated. I just haven't gotten to trying the mod yet. But it feels like the interchangeable use of portal and gateway makes things get easily mixed up. Maybe just absolute clear definitions for each, and not use each other's terminology in the description. I really need stuff like this. I would think others out there that are like me and might not catch on 100% of the time unless we have crystal clear information that isn't left open to interpretation in any more ways than one.

It's not really meant to be complicated, but it's also supposed to be difficult to get which ends up making it complicated.

Portals ARE permanent buildings, and you can do the research and construct them without a single mage.  But without the Arcane mage, it just sits there dormant.  The Arcane mage is the only one that will get the option to activate the portal at which point it's like a prioritized job where they go up to the portal and then it goes to a world map where you select the base and spot you'd like to portal to send things.  After that, you no longer 'need' the Arcane mage, as long as the portal remains active.

Portals can be charged by any mage, and any pawn (mage or muggle) can walk through a portal.

Hope that clarifies portals.

That being said, the Arcane mage master ability, ie the button you click after learning the spell, is called 'Gateway' and acts as a global, mass summon where you can summon a group of pawns/items etc right to the Arcane mage.  Completely independent of portals, but you can't activate a portal without knowing this spell.

Alright. So anyone can build the portal, but it won't do anything until an arcane mage activates it. However, the arcane mage must first learn this portal master spell. Which also comes with learning the gateway spell. Once this portal is "activated" then it is not owned by anyone, and anyone can take a one way trip through while also hauling something. The only way the portal will ever be closed, is if any arcane mage, that has the portal spell learned, comes along and chooses to close it.

Is there a limit on portals activated per mage? Or is that where I saw they might have to dedicate mana to keep it open?

Also, the "gateway" spell, that is the instant-cast teleport/summon and is the master level arcane mage spell, is needed to be learned first. Once that is learned, the arcane mage then has the ability to also activate/close dormant "portals" that were built by anybody who has done the research.

Is it only arcane mages with the gateway spell learned, that may close portals once opened? Is this the only way they will close once opened? This portal business sounds awesome. Sorry for so many questions  :)

You have it just about right.

Quote from: Harry_DicksAlso, the "gateway" spell, that is the instant-cast teleport/summon and is the master level arcane mage spell, is needed to be learned first. Once that is learned, the arcane mage then has the ability to also activate/close dormant "portals" that were built by anybody who has done the research.

Exactly.

Think of the Arcane mage that has learned the Gateway master spell as a key to activating portals.  This Arcane mage could then go around to each colony and activate their portal.  It costs 70% mana so you'll need some recovery time, or mana pots.  Once active, the portal is able to be charged and this pawn can activate as many portals as you want.

Portals hold their own magical energy, but it doesn't generate the energy on its own, it has to be charged by a mage.  Any mage type can do this though and it drains mana from the mage to supply the portal with energy.  There's no active mana drain to keep a portal open and no pawn owns the portal, but when it's used by a pawn or used to transmit items, it consumes energy from the portal.

Also, -any- mage can close a portal.  As a fail-safe, a portal can also deactivate if it detects an invalid destination (ie the map no longer exists, or you built a building on the spot it portals to, or for whatever reason it failed to spawn something at the destination.  So it's a good idea to keep the destination clear...

Two things:

- I can´t tell my pawns mana points.

- Undead pawns can actually fall in love and get into relationships. This is kind of... wrong wrong wrong... :o

When your got mana/stamina you can find the mana bar like all other bars too at the "Needs" Tab.
It should be the first top left.

Hmmm, undead don't mean dumb. Vampire are undead too.
But in this case they are reanimated, but since they nearly got the power of their living live, sure why not social interactions.

Quote from: Torann on January 24, 2018, 08:37:22 PM
Once active, the portal is able to be charged and this pawn can activate as many portals as you want.

Portals hold their own magical energy, but it doesn't generate the energy on its own, it has to be charged by a mage.  Any mage type can do this though and it drains mana from the mage to supply the portal with energy.  There's no active mana drain to keep a portal open and no pawn owns the portal, but when it's used by a pawn or used to transmit items, it consumes energy from the portal.

Thank you so much for being patient with me and explaining things like I might be retarded, because I really might be retarded ;) Also, where can we see the portals "energy" that is being drained when something goes through it? Is it in the info box when you select it? Finally, if the portal gets too low on "energy," will it just not allow anything to pass through it until it is recharged? And will it still take about 70% of a mage's full mana to do a full recharge on the portal?

How much mana cost is it to recharge a portal, verses "activating" a dormant one that was constructed by anyone? And you said it is only arcane mage's that have learned the "gateway" spell, only they can "activate" a dormant portal. But *any* mage can recharge one, or close it. Because they are not owned by anyone, just a sort of neutral teleporter building/launcher.

Again, thank you for answering all of my dummy questions :)

Quote from: Harry_Dicks on January 25, 2018, 10:41:04 AM
Also, where can we see the portals "energy" that is being drained when something goes through it? Is it in the info box when you select it?

Portal energy is depicted graphically by the size of the portal (the portal itself, not the building containing the portal).

QuoteFinally, if the portal gets too low on "energy," will it just not allow anything to pass through it until it is recharged?

Correct, the options will no longer show if the portal doesn't have enough energy to perform the action (transport of items costs more than transport of a pawn)

QuoteAnd will it still take about 70% of a mage's full mana to do a full recharge on the portal?

"Activation" and "charge" are two completely separate actions.  Activation is when you designate where the portal sends things.  Charge is when a mage transfers mana into the portal to provide it with energy.

QuoteHow much mana cost is it to recharge a portal, verses "activating" a dormant one that was constructed by anyone?

70% of the Arcane mage's mana to activate a portal.
5% of the portal's energy to send a pawn.
10% of the portal's energy to send all items within the portal's stockpile zone.
1% of a mage mana => 1% portal energy.

QuoteAnd you said it is only arcane mage's that have learned the "gateway" spell, only they can "activate" a dormant portal. But *any* mage can recharge one, or close it.

Yes.

QuoteBecause they are not owned by anyone, just a sort of neutral teleporter building/launcher.

Not teleporter, that's a completely different spell with different functionality.

Happy to answer your questions.  Might be easier to just turn on dev mode and give it a try though.  ;)

Quote from: Torann on January 25, 2018, 12:13:52 PM

Not teleporter, that's a completely different spell with different functionality.

Happy to answer your questions.  Might be easier to just turn on dev mode and give it a try though.  ;)

Just tried in dev mode against a pack of mechanoids, was fun porting around with them with cover, although the arcane mage was quite vulnerable. Had to keep sniper ready. Honestly this mod is turning Rimworld into Garry's Mod.

Quote from: Canute on January 25, 2018, 06:14:26 AM
Hmmm, undead don't mean dumb. Vampire are undead too.
But in this case they are reanimated, but since they nearly got the power of their living live, sure why not social interactions.

It actually is a legitimate problem because their upkeep is dependent on the summoner's mana. Something as simple as a mana drain occurrence and you have a pawn in state of tantrums and depression for 2 seasons because he/she can't get anymore necrophiliac action.

Also, it's just "wrong wrong wrong"  ;)

Hey, anyone know the exact range of the portals? I made a separate settlement on the other side of the planet just to test that, but it appears I can't even teleport there because it's "beyond maximum range". In my opinion, the gateway spell and the portal shouldn't even have a max range since the player IS bending spacetime and creating holes in the fabric of reality, so in that case distance shouldn't be an issue.

Agreed, and it was set to 250 map tiles.  I'll bump it up to extend across even large maps.

Did you reduce the number of spells the mages will start with?

Quote from: Torann on January 26, 2018, 03:33:48 PM
bump it up to extend across even large maps

By "large maps" you mean the whole planet right?

Quote from: Jan2607 on January 26, 2018, 05:53:07 PM
Did you reduce the number of spells the mages will start with?

Yes.  It now randomly assigns the starting spells.  If your pawn didn't get a spell when they became a mage then you need to 'learn' the spell.  All class spells can be learned via the magic tab and cost between 1-3 ability points depending on the power of the spell.  The 'learn' button will show up next to the spell icon when you have enough ability points.

v1.7.6
Change to the default behavior when assigning abilities. In previous versions, all class abilities would be assigned unless using a torn script to learn an advanced trait. Now, abilities are assigned in a random nature when a pawn is given a trait. This affects all preparatory character creation and mods such as EDB Prepare Carefully and Android printing. Advancing from precursor traits (magically gifted, physically adept) to advanced traits via use a a full arcane script will always assign all class abilities.

QuoteBy "large maps" you mean the whole planet right?

Yes

if anyone still has issues with the "master" spell for arcane. 1 research portal, 2 build portal, 3 activate portal ( with an arcane mage that knows the spell) , 4 then charge portal ( with any mage) , then  do steps one thru 4 for the place you want to teleport too. and by "portal" i mean gateway then ??? followed by profit.  you need a gateway in both areas to work
also torran I noticed trees can grow in the area  ( also plants and other things) of the portal is at and (disrupt)  the spell so also keep that in mind people.

Quote from: blizzardwolf420 on January 26, 2018, 08:25:08 PM
also torran I noticed trees can grow in the area  ( also plants and other things) of the portal is at and (disrupt)  the spell

that's why I paved the ground in rainbow colours beforehand  ;D

Quote from: blizzardwolf420 on January 26, 2018, 08:25:08 PM
and by "portal" i mean gateway then ??? followed by profit.  you need a gateway in both areas to work

Please don't say one thing and mean another. That is the whole reason for the confusion in the first place. If you use words interchangeably like that, then the whole point of explaining the differences is distorted and people get easily confused (like myself.)

I thought portal and gateway are separate, but to you they are different and the same thing, at the same time! Shrödinger's spells!

Small update to v1.7.8, I think most of these are improvements based on feedback and suggestions

- Portals can now transfer pets - pets must be in the stockpile zone and can be transported using "transport items" option

- Disabling Shot (sniper) and Grapple (gladiator) will now cause instant hostility between factions

- Snipers must now have advanced (industrial+) weaponry equipped in order to use most of their skills

- New Event: Elemental Assault; this challenging event triggers during the late game and involves hordes of elementals storming your base!  Or can... it's kind of random.

- Added a series of thoughts and social behaviors involving Undead; living colonists will now be much less likely to "befriend" one of the undead and generally won't want to be around them.  This should prevent most colonists from wanting to form a relationship with an undead, but it doesn't prevent it...

- Added a series of thoughts and social behaviors between Necromancers, Druids, and Paladins

- Valiant Charge should no longer destroy a pawn if the explosion triggers an exception

- Portals (and the Gateway spell) are now be able to connect to any global map tile, even on the largest maps

Quote from: Canute on January 24, 2018, 06:14:12 PM
With this errors it don't work. And since you said you installed the latest jecstool i have no clue.
Since it isn't much work, just delete jecstools and TMagic folder and unzip them again, except you allways delete the mod-folder before you update a mod.

Against all odds, I finally made my portals work! I tried just reinstalling TMagic and JecsTools but it didn't fix. I re-made my game installation with steam and redownloaded the mods there for easier updates and surprisingly that made it work. I can even keep my current save where my magic pawn already have experience and skill points so that's a relief the fun can continue for me.

I still have a question since I didn't use the portal for a practical task yet: What is the Port-fuel the mage loaded the portal with? Did he created that out of his mana pool?

I'm going to keep experiment with other magic users and I'll report there if I encounter any bugs

Even with the new version I have a JecsTools.dll in my assemblies folder. It is not supposed to be there, correct? We should remove this?

Quote from: HerrColonel on January 27, 2018, 08:41:15 AM
I still have a question since I didn't use the portal for a practical task yet: What is the Port-fuel the mage loaded the portal with? Did he created that out of his mana pool?

Yes, the port-fuel get auto. generated when the mage cast the spell. Enough to refuel the portal to max.
I think this is a workaround because he can't spawn full fueled transport pods.

Quote from: Canute on January 27, 2018, 09:53:31 AM

Quote from: HerrColonel on January 27, 2018, 08:41:15 AM
I still have a question since I didn't use the portal for a practical task yet: What is the Port-fuel the mage loaded the portal with? Did he created that out of his mana pool?

Yes, the port-fuel get auto. generated when the mage cast the spell. Enough to refuel the portal to max.
I think this is a workaround because he can't spawn full fueled transport pods.

I just changed this, it no longer generates portfuel and simply fuels the teleporter. 

Quote from: Harry_Dicks on January 27, 2018, 09:15:52 AM
Even with the new version I have a JecsTools.dll in my assemblies folder. It is not supposed to be there, correct? We should remove this?

I figured out why this was showing up and it won't be included in future updates.  And yes, I recommend removing it (though it shouldn't cause any issues either way).

I have been getting these two errors for no parts to frostbite for a while, but I think the one about undead is new. Anything to worry about? I assumed that the frostbite one just means that they can't lost any "bits and pieces" of themselves to frostbite :P But the undead one?

Config error in Undead: TraitDef Undead has 0 commonality.
Verse.Log:Warning(String)
Verse.DefDatabase`1:ErrorCheckAllDefs()
System.Reflection.MonoMethod:InternalInvoke(Object, Object[], Exception&)
System.Reflection.MonoMethod:Invoke(Object, BindingFlags, Binder, Object[], CultureInfo)
System.Reflection.MethodBase:Invoke(Object, Object[])
Verse.GenGeneric:InvokeStaticMethodOnGenericType(Type, Type, String)
Verse.PlayDataLoader:DoPlayLoad()
Verse.PlayDataLoader:LoadAllPlayData(Boolean)
Verse.Root:<Start>m__1()
Verse.LongEventHandler:RunEventFromAnotherThread(Action)
Verse.LongEventHandler:<UpdateCurrentAsynchronousEvent>m__1()


Config error in Elemental: no parts vulnerable to frostbite
Verse.Log:Warning(String)
Verse.DefDatabase`1:ErrorCheckAllDefs()
System.Reflection.MonoMethod:InternalInvoke(Object, Object[], Exception&)
System.Reflection.MonoMethod:Invoke(Object, BindingFlags, Binder, Object[], CultureInfo)
System.Reflection.MethodBase:Invoke(Object, Object[])
Verse.GenGeneric:InvokeStaticMethodOnGenericType(Type, Type, String)
Verse.PlayDataLoader:DoPlayLoad()
Verse.PlayDataLoader:LoadAllPlayData(Boolean)
Verse.Root:<Start>m__1()
Verse.LongEventHandler:RunEventFromAnotherThread(Action)
Verse.LongEventHandler:<UpdateCurrentAsynchronousEvent>m__1()


Config error in Minion: no parts vulnerable to frostbite
Verse.Log:Warning(String)
Verse.DefDatabase`1:ErrorCheckAllDefs()
System.Reflection.MonoMethod:InternalInvoke(Object, Object[], Exception&)
System.Reflection.MonoMethod:Invoke(Object, BindingFlags, Binder, Object[], CultureInfo)
System.Reflection.MethodBase:Invoke(Object, Object[])
Verse.GenGeneric:InvokeStaticMethodOnGenericType(Type, Type, String)
Verse.PlayDataLoader:DoPlayLoad()
Verse.PlayDataLoader:LoadAllPlayData(Boolean)
Verse.Root:<Start>m__1()
Verse.LongEventHandler:RunEventFromAnotherThread(Action)
Verse.LongEventHandler:<UpdateCurrentAsynchronousEvent>m__1()


Quote from: Harry_Dicks on January 27, 2018, 11:18:00 AM
I have been getting these two errors for no parts to frostbite for a while, but I think the one about undead is new. Anything to worry about? I assumed that the frostbite one just means that they can't lost any "bits and pieces" of themselves to frostbite :P But the undead one?

Don't worry about any of these.  0 commonality just means a pawn will never get assigned the 'undead' trait, which makes sense because undead are created by necromancers.  You are correct about the frostbite, this just means minions and elementals have no body parts that can be hurt by frostbite.

I have two suggestions:

1) Could you add the update notes to the workshop page? I don't read every page of this thread and so I miss a lot of the notes. Or just add it to the starting post of this thread.

2) Could you disable the autogenerating home ares around defense pylons? My map is full of them and my cleaners are working on the wrong places :D
Because the pylons exist only for a short time period, I think it is unnecessary to generate these areas. And deleting them amnually is annoying. Switching the whole autogeneration off is not really an option for me.

Quote from: Jan2607 on January 27, 2018, 01:43:38 PM
I have two suggestions:

1) Could you add the update notes to the workshop page? I don't read every page of this thread and so I miss a lot of the notes. Or just add it to the starting post of this thread.

Done - update notes will be displayed as a news item in-game using the Hugslib Update Feature.

Quote from: Jan2607 on January 27, 2018, 01:43:38 PM
2) Could you disable the autogenerating home ares around defense pylons? My map is full of them and my cleaners are working on the wrong places :D
Because the pylons exist only for a short time period, I think it is unnecessary to generate these areas. And deleting them amnually is annoying. Switching the whole autogeneration off is not really an option for me.

Done - but included all summoned structures, not just pylons

Thanks for the suggestions.
The above updates and some other minor tweaks/bug fixes are included in v1.7.9

Thank you very much :)

A few more comments, mostly regarding late-game powerful spells.

I don't think any one spell should singlehandedly win a battle. The master spells, while needing to be powerful to justify their cost, should be toned down or come with a serious drawback.

- Firestorm : A possible drawback would be to causes burns to the user.
- Blizzard : Mostly fine, since it's pretty unpredictable. Using it where there's mountain roof causes way too many collapsed mountains.
- Eye of the storm : lots of fun. Everything in its path feels the pain. A possible downside would be to leave the user stunned for an extended period after using.
- Regrow limb : it appears to work even when it gives an error message saying it didn't; this also bypasses any temporary downside to the affected limb.

Additionally, I think enemies should have as chance to resist being Summoned, as this allows to eliminate enemies one by one with little to no risk. No resist for downed enemies. Longer cooldown would also help. Perhaps additional mana cost for more distant targets?

As for research, initial releases could include :
- Researching mana potions.
- A crafting table to transmute resources. i.e. food to wood, or stone to steel. Gold, jade and plasteel at higher tier. Usable by all, but casters get a speed bonus.
- The ability to craft ?? scripts and torn scripts, at proportional costs.
- A ritual to create a random high-value item, at great cost - possibly getting attacked in the process.
- A wizard-themed joy item, which gives small wizard training to magic users.
- Perhaps great downsides to using master-level spells, with researches which reduce or remove them.

And other ideas :
- A healing spell to take care of lesser permanent wounds, like scars, missing digits or ears/noses.
- A spell to mutate a target's random body part, improving its efficiency like a bionic.
- A spell that improves map travel speed, stealthiness or food consumption.

One of my enemies was a sharpshooter, but because he was a tribesman and had no sniper rifle equipped, I got the message he wouldn't have equipped a valid weapon, whenever he tried to use his abilities.
I think, I shouldn't get a message when my enemy can't use his ability.

Btw. i just wanted ask why you limit the sharshooter to advanced (industrial+) weaponry ?
Do you think it is to overpowered for bow's and pila's ?

Quote from: Canute on January 28, 2018, 09:50:39 AM
Btw. i just wanted ask why you limit the sharshooter to advanced (industrial+) weaponry ?
Do you think it is to overpowered for bow's and pila's ?

sharp·shoot·er
ˈSHärpˌSHo͞odər
noun
a person skilled in shooting, especially with a rifle

"rifle", which is a type of gun. And just for realism's sake,  just imagine how a tribal archer could get the arrow to the velocities of a sniper bullet.

Maybe the idea of "sharpshooter" can also be applied to a sort of "Robin Hood" with bows. Just because that definition mentions rifles, I am not sure the meaning has always been that. I would think if you studied the etymology of sharpshooter, that you might be able to trace it's meaning back to where it does not imply only gunpowder weapons. However, maybe the "shooter" part of the word implies gunpowder. I'm sure there were phrases for these types who were extremely accurate with bows, crossbows, slings, or whatever, but this phrase could be eluding us because of our modern vocabulary.

Well if I can get the projectiles to dynamically reconfigure to match the projectile of the weapon, then the sniper might regain some of their skills with bows.  I tried that initially and I got errors instead of arrows. Change was made since the class didn't feel right with a bow user shooting bullets.  I'll come back to this at some point and hopefully make it when bow user uses headshot or disabling shot, it looks and sounds like an arrow.

Quote from: Jan2607 on January 28, 2018, 08:33:01 AM
One of my enemies was a sharpshooter, but because he was a tribesman and had no sniper rifle equipped, I got the message he wouldn't have equipped a valid weapon, whenever he tried to use his abilities.
I think, I shouldn't get a message when my enemy can't use his ability.

Will be corrected in next update.

Quote from: henk on January 27, 2018, 10:57:35 PM
A few more comments, mostly regarding late-game powerful spells.

I don't think any one spell should singlehandedly win a battle. The master spells, while needing to be powerful to justify their cost, should be toned down or come with a serious drawback.

I hear you, and spells, even late game ones, shouldn't be "single-handedly" winning fights.  I would say that, in general, magic is more powerful than it should be (at this point in time). That being said, fully upgraded late game spells are supposed to be close to the effectiveness of, say, a doomsday rocket.  Arguably, with arcane weakness, late game spells essentially disable the casting pawn for the rest of the fight.  Though, it wouldn't be too hard to add some physical drain, eg loss of food or rest which could cause the caster to collapse from exhaustion.  I could also implement some form of "backlash" that could physically harm the caster.  I'm a firm believer that the 'cost' of magic needs to balance the reward, so if you have idea's on how to better balance the cost/risk/reward, I'm all ears.

I think what really needs to happen is an overall balance sweep across all abilities.  I've been thinking about this for awhile, and rather than endless tweaking with every patch, I want to introduce the remaining classes, events, and items/crafting/enchantments... at that point I think will be the most effective time to perform an organized re-balancing.  Drastic adjustments will still happen as needed though - for example, summon.

I certainly agree that it can disrupt enemy formations very quickly so I'll look at reducing the range a bit and increasing the recast timer.  This is a difficult spell to balance though, without making summoning of items basically useless.

Quote- Regrow limb : it appears to work even when it gives an error message saying it didn't; this also bypasses any temporary downside to the affected limb.

Thanks for the note on this, I'll take a look to see why this could be occurring.

Torann I think the idea of "exhausting" the mage after their spells is fantastic. Not tied to rest or anything, but maybe the caster could have some temporary consciousness loss. I'm not sure, but I like where you are heading with this idea.

I think it is a fantastic idea also, that if it comes down to it and shit is hitting the fan, you finally cast your Eye of the Storm spell to wreck the last oncoming wave of raiders that would decimate your remaining pawns that are barely hanging on. But this should be a big bargain, because afterwards your mage will be spent for a few days to maybe a week. For me, I think it would be awesome to have day long malices for using these big game breaker spells. It will make you really consider having to use it. Will we be okay next week with my master mage out of action if a raid comes? Do we go ahead and start regrowing these limbs now or wait until next spring? That would be awesome!

Quote from: Harry_Dicks on January 28, 2018, 03:05:10 PM
Torann I think the idea of "exhausting" the mage after their spells is fantastic.

I don't like it because I like to use my paladin as a melee monster with a greatsword. He can use his spells to heals his teammates or jump further into the melee. And the shield goes great along with that. Why should he suffer a consciousness debuff =(

Quote from: HerrColonel on January 28, 2018, 03:38:09 PM
I don't like it because I like to use my paladin as a melee monster with a greatsword. He can use his spells to heals his teammates or jump further into the melee. And the shield goes great along with that. Why should he suffer a consciousness debuff =(

Well I am all for more options to the player. Right now in the mod options you can adjust mana regen rate, and other things. But the idea is that smaller spells would not do this, only the big master, blow all your mana and juice at once, spells. So it should not affect the Paladin in any real, significant way.

I suppose the idea could be implemented into different tiers, maybe certain tiers for physical fighters and certain tiers for magic. I also think it would be cool if you had a weighted slider to adjust the amount of physical vs magic users occurring in the world. I love having the magic in my game and "personal lore" but maybe I want these mages to be even rarer. So that in my roleplaying fantasy, they are hunted down by these mage hunters, who are sending raids to try and purge any magic users. Anyone remember from Dragonfall: Origins, where they had the group that hunted rogue magic users, something like that. Great idea for raiders with this mod IMO.

Speaking of paladins, you are making me think I need to get some of that Medieval Times armor in my game! Man I wish there were a lot more content for the medieval time period, and not just ALL WEAPONS AND ARMOR PACKS! >:(

Game now has this in the debug log. Is probably saved to file since it persists across saves and loads.

Exception ticking Projectile_SummonPylon547558: System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
  at TorannMagic.Projectile_SummonPylon.Destroy (DestroyMode mode) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at Verse.Projectile.Impact (Verse.Thing hitThing) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at AbilityUser.Projectile_AbilityBase.Impact (Verse.Thing hitThing) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at TorannMagic.Projectile_SummonPylon.Impact (Verse.Thing hitThing) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at AbilityUser.Projectile_AbilityBase.ImpactSomething () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at AbilityUser.Projectile_AbilityBase.Tick () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at TorannMagic.Projectile_SummonPylon.Tick () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at Verse.TickList.Tick () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
Verse.Log:Error(String)
Verse.TickList:Tick()
Verse.TickManager:DoSingleTick()
Verse.Game:<LoadGame>m__3()
Verse.LongEventHandler:ExecuteToExecuteWhenFinished()
Verse.LongEventHandler:UpdateCurrentAsynchronousEvent()
Verse.LongEventHandler:LongEventsUpdate(Boolean&)
Verse.Root:Update_Patch1(Object)
Verse.Root_Play:Update()


I bet most of us use Prepare carefully when they setup a new colony.
And at last i use the "Use points" option to keep the start a bit balanced.

But i notice when i add traits it nearly cost no or very less points.
Maybe you could change it that the traits from your mod cost something ?

Some images or a video would be nice.  I can't tell if my game is bugged or not.  I just picked this up, my Necromancer doesn't seem to start with any spells.  I waited for exp to go up naturally with maxed mp and leveled up the raise dead spell but I'm not finding it or any way to use the magic.  I thought it'd show up like the vamp spells in Rim of Madness Vampires but I'm not seeing anything.

No dev commands either to test things?  Or am I missing them?

Oh, think I leveled one of the passives instead of getting the actual skill?  Maybe the passives shouldn't be directly under the spells, lol.  Great, now I get to wait another week or two for exp from MP since he apparently has no spells to use.  I think it's a little odd that you can level up passives for skills that you don't have yet. 

So far the poison gas seems pretty balanced, strong against idling enemies but does nothing against manhunters and people rushing you.  I hope it doesn't get too overpowered, I'm liking it so far.

Your mages will earn XP on a slow rate over time. You earn more XP, when you use abilities.
You can go to options -> mod options, to set the XP gain rate higher.

With some bnad luck it can happen that you start without spells. You can learn spells via the skill tree (in your colonists tab "Magic") or through spell scrolls which you can buy or find in quests.
If everything works right, it should look like this:



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Quote from: WitchLyfe on January 29, 2018, 07:55:36 AM
Some images or a video would be nice.  I can't tell if my game is bugged or not.  I just picked this up, my Necromancer doesn't seem to start with any spells. 

You need 1-3 points to "Learn" spells.
A little button "Learn" appear next to the spell icon at the magic tab only when you got enough points to learn it.

Quote from: Jan2607 on January 29, 2018, 09:17:52 AM
Your mages will earn XP on a slow rate over time. You earn more XP, when you use abilities.
You can go to options -> mod options, to set the XP gain rate higher.

With some bnad luck it can happen that you start without spells. You can learn spells via the skill tree (in your colonists tab "Magic") or through spell scrolls which you can buy or find in quests.
If everything works right, it should look like this:

Thanks for the image and yeah, I know about the max MP exp.  Seems I just got really bad luck on my first test and ended up with no spells at the start.  Kinda funny to call yourself a Necromancer and you can't use a single spell... Lol

I support the suggestion of making skill upgrades unavailable if you haven't learned the spell yet. In addition, listing the learning cost of spells would be useful to new players.

Quote from: henk on January 29, 2018, 12:03:54 PM
I support the suggestion of making skill upgrades unavailable if you haven't learned the spell yet. In addition, listing the learning cost of spells would be useful to new players.

I thought maybe there was a level requirement to some spells, didn't know some require multiple skill points till I just read it here.

Oh, Necromancers get a debuff for observing corpses, haha.  Zombies are really cool, kinda sad that they can't use magic but that's understandable (Killed a Druid and Ice Mage and kept them in my freezer in hopes they could).  They get a penalty for nudity, is that intentional?  Guess it depends on how human they remain.  Seems they still get a lot of buffs/debuffs like that.  Observing corpse though...  Sometimes they seem immune to that stuff but then randomly I'll catch them with some debuff for a bit, hmm.

Is there some way to dismiss/drop individual undead without penalty?  Occasionally I have to raise some minions in battle to distract enemies but I don't want them permanently on my team.  I do have some zombies I want to keep forever though.  Keep a freezer full of corpses ready for emergencies.  Raising the hasten undead passive doesn't seem to improve existing undead under your control as well, so it'd be nice if I could just drop them and rerez them instead of having to remurder them everytime I level the passive.

I somehow always manage to kill the magic users and leave all the useless pawns alive...

My undead also stopped gaining mining exp at level 7, is this intentional?  They're still getting crafting exp I believe.  I also think having an undead minion as a Necromancer will prevent you from gaining passive exp at max MP, unless there's a level cut off for that.  It won't raise at max MP anymore.

I made a Thrumbo undead and he's just constantly eating, his food gauge is dropping incredibly fast so it's all he can do.  What's up with that?  Tested with a MegaSloth and same thing.  Right after they eat their food gauge bombs, so they just eat constantly.

Sum up:

1. Undead still get some weird debuffs occasionally (Nudity for example seems odd).  Some may have been left over from when they were alive, not sure.  I'll try to test it more.  Yeah they get most the debuffs colonists can get, though it doesn't seem to affect them much.  Still kinda weird seeing it in their menu.

2. Undead seem to stop gaining mining exp at level 7, but continue gaining crafting exp past that level.

3. Having Necro summons out seems to stop you from gaining passive max mp exp, unless there's a level cut off for that.  Dunno if intentional.  It makes it pretty hard to level a Necro.  Shows 100% mana but no exp gain at all. 

4. Would like a way to "unrez" individual zombies.  I keep one as a crafting/cleaner but would like to be able to raise some temporarily for combat that don't stay in my colonist window and continue draining my pawn's mana.  I think the only way to get rid of them is to manually kill them atm?  Not sure if that'd give a debuff, I haven't tried it yet.  They're kinda a pain to kill anyways.

5. Turning some animals undead makes them constantly eat food, tested with MegaSloth and Thrumbo.  As soon as they eat, their food gauge drops back to where it was before they ate.  So they just eat forever.

6. Necro probably shouldn't get "Observed Corpse" debuff.  It's kinda their job, lol.

7. Minor, but increasing "Hasten" for undead summons doesn't improve existing undead under the Necro's control.  Wouldn't be much of an issue if number 4 is added, but having to rekill your zombies every time you raise the passive is obnoxious.

Edit:  Actually, I just tested killing my long time zombie and upon rerez'ing them, they appear to have lost all the skills they gained as an undead.  That really blows, I hope that can be fixed.  Atm I'd rather stick with the level 1 zombie but they're so slow...

8. Healing Consumption passive on the Consume Corpse spell doesn't seem to work at all.  Tested it on various animals and corpses.  Oh, it's just almost unnoticeable on animals.  I finally saw a slight improvement in health on a human corpse after checking percents.  A lot weaker than I thought it'd be.  It's kinda like, you get an extra hour before you bleed to death, lol.

Downed elementals won't despawn when summon duration expires. Even when they can walk again.

My bad, it was a downed hostile elemental...

Do you plan to give the combat classes some more learnable abilities? There are so many scrolls that mages can learn but I would love to have some textbooks for my sniper.

Quote from: Harry_Dicks on January 28, 2018, 05:04:10 PMBut the idea is that smaller spells would not do this, only the big master, blow all your mana and juice at once, spells. So it should not affect the Paladin in any real, significant way.

I misunderstood. I'm OK with some extra costy spells.

Quote from: Harry_Dicks on January 28, 2018, 05:04:10 PM
Speaking of paladins, you are making me think I need to get some of that Medieval Times armor in my game! Man I wish there were a lot more content for the medieval time period, and not just ALL WEAPONS AND ARMOR PACKS! >:(

I especially would like a shield for him (not his shield spell, an actual wooden shield =P) because right now the best option is a greatsword =/ having 1H shield would make many 1H weapons viable. I'll keep the greatsword on gladius though for the insane AOE dmg with high quality

Mod compatibility bug report:
I am playing with this mod and Zombieland which works pretty well except for a Projectile_FogOfTorment seems to have made a zombie vomit. And as zombies are stripped down pawns they don't have needs and therefore the default vomit job (https://github.com/josh-m/RW-Decompile/blob/master/RimWorld/JobDriver_Vomit.cs) fails when adding more hunger to the zombie.

Could you add a check for if the target pawn has the hunger need (or any needs at all) before adding the vomit job?
More debug info can be found on my initial bug report (https://github.com/pardeike/zombieland/issues/11) to zombieland

Quote from: HerrColonel on January 30, 2018, 01:00:08 PM
I especially would like a shield for him (not his shield spell, an actual wooden shield =P) because right now the best option is a greatsword =/ having 1H shield would make many 1H weapons viable. I'll keep the greatsword on gladius though for the insane AOE dmg with high quality

Man, there was a shield mod for A17 I saw somewhere, and I think I have it downloaded for the textures. But I only found one mod that added a shield for B18. I want to say it was a tribal shield maybe, it might have come from Tribal Essentials, or Survivalist Additions mods. I had planned on just adding in the textures from the A17 mod, and making new defs for the different shield types I had. All of that is lost somewhere in one of my dozens upon dozens of daily "bin" folders, from all of my RimWorld mod downloading/editing shenanigans.

Just know, if you really want a shield for him, it wouldn't take you but maybe an hour or two of your time to make your own shield mod, using the resources of other people's mods, if you are actually dedicated to it. You shouldn't steal their textures/code to make your own mod for distribution, though, without at least getting the original author's permission first. I'm not sure if you knew that already or not, but at least putting it out there for others that don't! :)

EDIT: Also, I'm not sure if making a shield mod this way would actually achieve what you want, as I'm not sure what you actually want from a shield mod either. Because I think the mod that adds it, the shield just counts as the middle or shell layer, or both, on only one of the pawns' arms/hands and possibley that shoulder. So I think this means it would only ever actually be effective if the pawn were to receive damage on those limbs. Or you could go with the head canon that I'm going with. That is, the shield belt in this sci-fi setting is perfect for a futuristic paladin! ;) I'm actually using the Hardcore Armors Hellfire and Goliath mods, that come with their own shield belt built in. Made by the same guy who made Rah's Bionics, so you know they look nice and it is a well built mod.

Since i didn't caravan much since i got the teleport spell i didn't notice it before.
On a caravan you don't gain mana.

Quote from: Canute on January 30, 2018, 04:44:06 PM
Since i didn't caravan much since i got the teleport spell i didn't notice it before.
On a caravan you don't gain mana.

That is quite the oversight. Should not be hard to fix though for Torann.

I got a caravan request to deliver 242 bows - for one combat form: gladiator. Wtf?  :D

Quote from: Jan2607 on January 30, 2018, 07:33:09 PM
I got a caravan request to deliver 242 bows - for one combat form: gladiator. Wtf?  :D

They tried to learn how to gladiator but couldn't figure it out, so they said screw it, let's be archers.

Quote from: WitchLyfe on January 29, 2018, 12:21:27 PM

Quote from: henk on January 29, 2018, 12:03:54 PM
I support the suggestion of making skill upgrades unavailable if you haven't learned the spell yet. In addition, listing the learning cost of spells would be useful to new players.

I thought maybe there was a level requirement to some spells, didn't know some require multiple skill points till I just read it here.

I'll see what I can do to make this more intuitive and provide more information in the GUI.

Quote
Oh, Necromancers get a debuff for observing corpses, haha. 

Made it so neither necro's or undead get this debuff.  In fact, made quite a few thought changes for both traits.  Undead will still have some.. they aren't quite zombies, just shells of what they once were.

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Is there some way to dismiss/drop individual undead without penalty?

Yes, you can use consume corpse on undead.  Although, the corpse is then gone and you won't have anything left to raise... choices!

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My undead also stopped gaining mining exp at level 7, is this intentional?  They're still getting crafting exp I believe.

They aren't supposed to gain xp at all.  I just verified that this is the case for everything except crafting.  For some reason, crafting still provides skill gain so I'll have to trace down this code path.   

QuoteI also think having an undead minion as a Necromancer will prevent you from gaining passive exp at max MP, unless there's a level cut off for that.  It won't raise at max MP anymore.

Nice catch, it is fixed for next update.

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I made a Thrumbo undead and he's just constantly eating

For some reason, large animals have food levels that extend past 0-1, so assigning them a constant of .5 was forcing them to always search for food.  I've fixed this, and the fact that they want to sleep forever, for the next update.

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4. Would like a way to "unrez" individual zombies.

This is what consume corpse was initially intended to do, but then it got morphed a little and it does destroy the undead, just like it does with a corpse.
That being said, consume corpse has many variations...
Consuming an undead returns significantly more mana than a corpse, with humanlike undead returning more mana than animal undead, and fresh is better than rotten or bones.  Generally speaking, the quality of corpse is measured in this order: humanlike undead -> animal undead -> humanlike corpse (fresh) -> humanlike corpse (rotten) == animal corpse (fresh) -> animal corpse (rotten).  The quality of corpse also affects how much Healing Consumption heals the necro.
Consuming a humanlike corpse also provides the necromancer with a mood boost and rest, while consuming an animal corpse provides the necro with food.

So, all that being said - do we need an ability to "Release Undead"?  Stand-alone, necro only?  Maybe consume corpse becomes the learnable spell while Release Undead would be canon?

Also, I really expected the undead churn rate to be much higher, it's not intended to become attached to undead but rather use them as an expendable resource.  This is what I was initially shooting for, but open for debate.  There may be room down the line for an undead creature that's less... expendable.

Anyways, great feedback, keep it coming.  I haven't had a chance to do a playthrough with the necro myself so the suggestions and thoughts are a big help.

Quote from: Jan2607 on January 30, 2018, 10:18:16 AM
Do you plan to give the combat classes some more learnable abilities? There are so many scrolls that mages can learn but I would love to have some textbooks for my sniper.

Yes!  I'm glad you asked.  Toketsu had a great idea for "sustained" abilities and I've got quite a few stand-alone abilities planned that will function in this manner, and be usable by all the melee classes.  For example: "quick time" will increase movement speed by 20% but will require a 40% stamina to sustain.  You'll be able to toggle these abilities on and off.

Quote from: exuvo on January 30, 2018, 01:10:57 PM
Could you add a check for if the target pawn has the hunger need (or any needs at all) before adding the vomit job?

I added a check for both Fog of Torment and Disabling Shot, both of these abilities add vomit in the hediff they add.
Oh, zombies will now get healed inside the fog of torment, just like undead.

Torann, you're awesome at this stuff!

Quote from: Torann on January 30, 2018, 10:27:41 PM
I'll see what I can do to make this more intuitive and provide more information in the GUI.

I think this will be a huge quality of life improvement. I will be honest with you, I think the spells/magic tab is layed out poorly. When I first started using it, I was a bit confused as to where the different abilities I could level up where. I wasn't sure if I had to go in any order or what, at least from any visual clues I ascertained from first glance.

About the necro and having a more "non throwaway summon." Thinking back to D2, the necro had I think 4-5 different golems to choose from that it could have summoned, only one at a time. Not sure if I am remembering everything correctly, but the golem would last a lot longer, or indefinitely. I think something like that would be awesome. Could spell upgrades have different branches? Wow, if you could have branches, for different KINDS of certain classes, man that would be fucking awesome.

A dark paladin versus a light paladin versus a gray paladin.
An ice mage that focuses more on area of effect vesus one that focuses on individual spells.
A druid that heals and protects or one that goes on the offense with nature and weather.

Maybe some spells are locked behind others, but some spells you could mix & match? Honestly, for me at least, I think it is twice as cool if you could have at least two variants for most classes. That way, if you say already have a druid as your only magic user, but then get another druid, you won't be as disappointed (at least I would be) that you didn't get something from a different class. Sure a second druid is nice, but not nearly as cool as it would be if you knew you could have *all* of the druid spells available to you at some point because you will be able to have one of each kind. Also, I'm the kind of person that when I would receive my magic user, and I finally get to a "crossroads" point where I must choose one path or another, I will sit there and stress about this choice over and over again. Not that it's a bad thing, I am definitely enjoying myself. More so enjoying myself with class variants, rather than have only one variant per class. I completely understand if this is not in your plans for the mod, but I thought it would at least be worth throwing out there! ;)

So, many, possibilities! I think I need to get deep into this mod while you are actively working on it and making so many changes. We can make this one for the books! ;)

Sounds great! :)
Why can't the druid heal mechanites?

Because this is called repair not healing ! :-)
You would need an alchemist for that with a restoration spell.

Yeeeesssss, you can say in a Sci-Fi setup, magic don't realy exist. All magic are just quantum and nanite effects. And nanites don't care if they restore/repair organic or anorganic.
But i think this isn't the intention of the mod author, he want the magic more the classic way.

Oh, knowing undead aren't supposed to gain skill exp and they're made to be temporary changes how I see them quite a bit and the exp loss on death makes more sense.  I got attached to my zombie as a crafter that's only possible because of a bug :(

Ah, well, I guess I should just drop my undead crafter.  She's been with me for 2 years though, it'll be a sad moment.  At least I can upgrade to a faster zombie.  She's kept my colonists clothed and made most the stone resources for my buildings though, such a useful little corpse, I'll miss her.  Maybe I'll make my first sarcophagus for her.  Most upsetting thing is my colonists probably all hate her even though she's saved them countless times, haha.

I would love a more permanent version if/when that stuff is going to be altered (Maybe a high tier/master spell or something where they still gain skill exp?), and a way to drop them without consuming the corpse would be nice.  You can keep a corpse freezer with useful summons to raise when the right situation arises.  Probably don't need a Thrumbo wandering around most the time but it'd sure be nice when a raid is plotting on your outskirts. 

I like the idea of Necromancers being able to plan ahead with corpses too.  So far they seem kinda weaker than other classes in straight up battles but more strategic.  I am still missing Corpse Explosion and the insta death spell that would probably help with that though, so my experience is a bit lacking (Literally).  Once the max mp exp thing is fixed, I should be able to start leveling them a bunch again.

Looking forward to future content.  This mod is pretty well balanced, I especially like that the enemies can use some special spells and attacks as well.  That early Paladin with shield and heal was sure a pain until I managed to shoot out his organs.

Is there any use for portfuel beside refueling used portals that fired their capsule? I wondered why my storage is full, here is the answer: Portfuel. Portfuel everywhere :D

Quote from: Torann on January 30, 2018, 10:55:18 PM
I added a check for both Fog of Torment and Disabling Shot, both of these abilities add vomit in the hediff they add.
Oh, zombies will now get healed inside the fog of torment, just like undead.

Thanks!

Quote from: Jan2607 on January 31, 2018, 06:48:53 PM
Is there any use for portfuel beside refueling used portals that fired their capsule? I wondered why my storage is full, here is the answer: Portfuel. Portfuel everywhere :D

Currently there is no use for Portfuel.
A portal spawn complety full now and when a portal collapse the remaining portfuel lay on the ground instead to get destroyed.
You should exclude them from your stockpiles and create an extra one outside so it deteriort slowly.

Toran,
new issue with Minions and Pick up and haul
https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=35832.0
Minion's refuse to work, but all other pawn's and animals work/haul like they should
Exception in SetupToils (pawn=TM_MinionR271259, job=HaulToCell (Job_545255) A=Thing_Apparel_UCFASTStone263939 B=(138, 0, 220)): System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
at PickUpAndHaul.PawnUnloadChecker.CheckIfPawnShouldUnloadInventory (Verse.Pawn,bool) <0x0004f>
at PickUpAndHaul.HarmonyPatches.JobDriver_HaulToCell_PostFix (Verse.AI.JobDriver_HaulToCell) <0x000c8>
at (wrapper dynamic-method) Verse.AI.JobDriver_HaulToCell.MakeNewToils_Patch1 (object) <0x00030>
at Verse.AI.JobDriver.SetupToils () <0x00037>
lastJobGiver=RimWorld.JobGiver_Haul, curJob.def=HaulToCell, curDriver=Verse.AI.JobDriver_HaulToCell
Verse.Log:Error(String)
Verse.AI.Pawn_JobTracker:StartErrorRecoverJob(String)
Verse.AI.JobDriver:SetupToils()
Verse.AI.Pawn_JobTracker:StartJob_Patch1(Object, Job, JobCondition, ThinkNode, Boolean, Boolean, ThinkTreeDef, Nullable`1, Boolean)
Verse.AI.Pawn_JobTracker:JobTrackerTick()
Verse.Pawn:Tick()
AbilityUser.PawnSummoned:Tick()
Verse.TickList:Tick()
Verse.TickManager:DoSingleTick()
Verse.TickManager:TickManagerUpdate()
Verse.Game:UpdatePlay()
Verse.Root_Play:Update()

https://gist.github.com/HugsLibRecordKeeper/51f4978db7735e379ebd73609a5d1f13

When i remove that mod, minion start to work again.
I will post at the other mod topic too.

It would be great, if you could burn that port fuel in the crematory or use it as normal fuel.
Or just delete the fuel when the portal collapses.

Quote from: Jan2607 on February 01, 2018, 07:32:08 AM
It would be great, if you could burn that port fuel in the crematory or use it as normal fuel.
Or just delete the fuel when the portal collapses.

You could just delete it through dev mode. Hmm, if Torann doesn't have any other planned uses for portfuel, I could make a patch that would allow you to refine it into chemfuel or something like that.

Yeah, I could delete it, but I don't like to use devmode, that's like cheating. It would be better if there is a solution in the mod included.

Since there's no longer a need to load it and it has no other function than to fuel the teleporter, I've made portfuel destroy on drop.

Good idea, but do it still explode ? :-)

I absolutely love this mod. I've been playing around with physical classes, and I want to give my input on my favorite one; Sniper.

In order to have it be in the same genre as the others, why not rename it to Ranger? And, Disabling Shot might need a tweak, since I know many of us are playing with the Allow Tool mod that adds the Finish Off option to downed targets. With it and a sniper, you can kill a Thrumbo with two moves.

Quote from: Edixo on February 02, 2018, 04:20:04 AM
I absolutely love this mod. I've been playing around with physical classes, and I want to give my input on my favorite one; Sniper.

In order to have it be in the same genre as the others, why not rename it to Ranger? And, Disabling Shot might need a tweak, since I know many of us are playing with the Allow Tool mod that adds the Finish Off option to downed targets. With it and a sniper, you can kill a Thrumbo with two moves.

Wasn't really aware of that, I might just replace the downed state change with stun, or make a modified downed state.

Ranger is a separate class and is mid development right now and will likely be released this weekend (along with the priest class).

Some feedback about the minion's from the summoner.
A good trained summoner can have 6 or 8 minion at once. I think this is a bit overpowered.
What do you think to change the minion like the undead from the necro ?
You summon 1-2 minion/ greater minion depend on skills and they stay until the master leave the map,run out of mana or cancel the spell.

Maybe the same for elemental's.

Quote from: Edixo on February 02, 2018, 04:20:04 AM
I absolutely love this mod. I've been playing around with physical classes, and I want to give my input on my favorite one; Sniper.

In order to have it be in the same genre as the others, why not rename it to Ranger? And, Disabling Shot might need a tweak, since I know many of us are playing with the Allow Tool mod that adds the Finish Off option to downed targets. With it and a sniper, you can kill a Thrumbo with two moves.

I think a ranger would be an awesome new class, but it should be separate from sniper. It would be cool, in my opinion, if the sniper was focused around guns, but the ranger was focused around any ranged weapon that are not gunpowder/lasers/high tech. Basically just bows and crossbows, pila, slings, etc. But the ranger will specialize also in having a few distinct companion pets. Maybe a wolf with special colors or markings, to make him stand out from regular wolves. Same thing with other traditional ranger pets, like bears, hawks, some kind of reptile thing, etc. You could also have special arrow spells, that could really do so many different things, especially if you borrow from other ranger classes from other games. Here's what I'm thinking, and mind that any summoned animal mentioned would be a special looking animal, not the normal looking ones, to make them stand out. Perhaps they could be spectral, but I don't really think of a ranger as summoning a spectral animal, but more of a physical, maybe slightly magical one. Also, in any of the beastial skills listed where I mention "ranger's pets" you could have these buffs apply to only a ranger's summoned animals, or regular animals that are assigned the ranger as a master, or any nearby colony animal, or any colony animal no matter where it is. Maybe the beastial skills could also buff the ranger, along with their pets. Perhaps the summoned animals do not leave filth, or do not require food.

Summon wolf (medium health, medium damage, medium speed)

Summon bear (high health, medium damage, slow speed)

Summon hawk (low health, medium damage, fast speed)

Summon snake (low health, high damage, medium speed)

Entangling shot (stops the target in place, they can still fight but cannot move for so many seconds)

Guiding arrow (100% accuracy with some extra damage)

Multishot (if there is an additional enemy within 1-4 cells from the initial target, with also a clear line of site, they will be damaged as well, additional levels could increase the amount of enemies hit)

Rain of vengeance (fire a magical arrow into the air, which will then cause dozens of arrows to fall into an AoE over the course of 5ish seconds, basically an AoE DoT)

Tar trap (able to setup a secret (like traps) tar trap/pit that will tar X amount of enemies for Y amount of time that pass over it, setting them up for a combo with flaming arrow)

Tarred arrow (slows the enemy down, and "tars" them, setting them up for a combo with flaming arrow)

Flaming arrow (low damage, but if the enemy is tarred, they will be set on fire)

Bleeding arrow (target will bleed, you could possibly have stacking effects, too)

Trailblazing (active or passive, the ranger will not be slowed down by any environmental factors, like moving over rocks or trees)

Elemental arrows (heat/cold/electric or whatever elemental damage, kinda boring though)

Beastial tranquility (able to calm a manhunter animal)

Beastial tongue (able to instantly tame a wild animal)

Beastial roar (boost the damage of the ranger's pets)

Beastial comfort (able to heal wounded animals)

Beastial endurance (add in a damage reduction to the ranger's pets)

Beastial charge (increases the ranger's pets speed)

Beastial feast (give your puppers some suppers!)

Also, if you do ever decide to have specialized classes, you could have the one ranger who focuses on arrows and ranged damage, one that is more focused on melee and setting traps, and one focused on pets and healing them along with their buffs.

Lot of good idea's for the ranger.  They will be distinct from the Sniper very similarly to how you're describing, where the ranger excels at bow/crossbow use and the sniper at more modern weapons.  Sniper can't use most skills without an advanced weapon right now.  Likewise, ranger will not be able to use at least 1 skill without a bow equipped, and the passive 'bow mastery' will only give a damage boost when using a bow.

The ranger will get a pet that is tamed, similar to any tamed animal, but will receive significant stat boosts for forming a bond with the ranger.

Quote from: Torann on February 02, 2018, 11:41:17 AM
The ranger will get a pet that is tamed, similar to any tamed animal, but will receive significant stat boosts for forming a bond with the ranger.

Awesome. Will you do anything to make this pet stand out? Also, I am now going to have to find some cool bow textures. I honestly didn't ever care for bows before, unless tribal, but if we get the ranger class, it will give a whole new reason to have some interesting and unique bows/crossbows.

Quote from: Torann on February 02, 2018, 11:41:17 AM
Lot of good idea's for the ranger.  They will be distinct from the Sniper very similarly to how you're describing, where the ranger excels at bow/crossbow use and the sniper at more modern weapons.  Sniper can't use most skills without an advanced weapon right now.  Likewise, ranger will not be able to use at least 1 skill without a bow equipped, and the passive 'bow mastery' will only give a damage boost when using a bow.

The ranger will get a pet that is tamed, similar to any tamed animal, but will receive significant stat boosts for forming a bond with the ranger.

That seems quite interesting. Ranger will be the best class to fight along with a tamed animal if I get it right. It makes sense it uses ranged weapons, like sniper, but spec into low-tech weapons.

What I would suggest would be a single "boost tamed animal" ability instead of many abilities to boost either speed, attack or defense. That ability would buff attack dmg (or attack speed) and running speed of the pet, but also make it more resistant to dmgs for a short period of time. The resistance buff could be either like the paladin's shield (block X amount of dmg overall) or like the Gladiator's fortitude (block X amount of dmg of each strike. It's stronger against a swarm of low dmg attacks but weaker against hard-hitting pawns).

That ability would be good for attack but also for defense when you realize the pet is going to die in melee before your pawns are able to deal with the bad guys. But ofc it should be remaining for a very short time (Animals like thrumbos would be totally OP with that kind of permanent buff IMO)

I wouldn't suggest giving this class an animal manhunter cancel ability as the druid has one already, that would make the druid less useful.

Eventually I think a "Teleport my pet to me" (or whistle or anything but doing essentially that) ability could be nice. I like the arcane mage because it's so good to react to threats like "X is attacked by a wolf". In this case I pause and blink the arcane mage for instant help (also instant kill using magic projectiles). This ability would serve the same purpose for the ranger when in combat and alone, able to summon his pet from anywhere (but on the same map as the ranger) to help defending him.

Also is this class going to use might or magic?

I build that really expensive portal, but I didn't figure out yet how it works. Can someone explain it to me?

Quote from: Jan2607 on February 02, 2018, 01:33:31 PM
I build that really expensive portal, but I didn't figure out yet how it works. Can someone explain it to me?

I didn't experience the persistent portal myself. I used the temporary teleport version but Torann also explained the other portal on page 19 post #6 of this thread. there must be all the answers you need https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=37161.270

Thank you :)

Having played with this mod for quite some time already, I would like to give my opinion, i wrote this with the help of Google translation, I hope it will be understandable.

-About the druid spell cure disease, improving cure disease power at level 2 say: 75% chance to reduce severity by 2, and at level 3 it say: 52% chance to reduce severity by 2 and 32% chance to reduce severity by 3. Is it intended ? Is it me that doesn't understand something ?

-My summoner has killed three mechanoids without fighting and without any injury, and I do not even mention raids ravaged by one or two of my mages. Mages are overpowered, but it would not be funny if it was not the case, is there something planned for the future?

-Mana sickness, the idea of the mana drain event does not bother me that much, but seriously, why it takes so long to recover from mana sickness, and also the mages who do not have 100% mana at the beginning of the drain have a great chance of dying, it's a bit extreme.

I would like to share my ideas too.

-Change the mana drain event, instead of draining the mana, force the mages to use more mana to cast their spells, with why not a longer cooldown or even disable the most powerful spells.

-Paws could gain xp and / or recover mana / stamina by meditating or doing similar things.

-Everyone should be able to become a mage! Some would have a gift, others would be very bad at it, but with time and hard training, the efforts will be rewarded.

-Experienced pawns could share tips and tricks to others, if they like them, a fire mage could give advice to a novice ice mage, after all, the basis of magic should be the same for all, no ?

-Learn a new skill or improve it should not be instantaneous, pawns would have a chance to think of a new spell or improve a already known one, it could happen when the pawn uses spells, talks with other mages or meditates, it would be visible in the health tab, it would grow like a disease, and when it reaches 100% the pawn gets a new spell or improve an already known.

-Create backstories that Automatically grants magic or combat traits.

Love this mod, i hope you'll like some of my ideas.

I really like the idea that anybody could become a mage too.  But maybe they have much lower mana reserves or their spells are weakened, probably make it so it takes much longer to learn spells and/or they can't learn master spells.

I don't think it should be something that's easy and there should be a price for it (Having low mana reserves would make them really susceptible to mana drain events for example.) and I wouldn't want them being as strong as gifted type mages of course, but it would be cool.  Maybe they also have to be trained by another mage or something. 

Well anyways, I'd prefer that's something that's rare or toggle-able in the options and I think you already have plans to make mages more or less common, so that's similar in a way.

In my current game I haven't managed to capture a singler magic user alive yet.  Found a gifted pawn but I haven't been able to find them scrolls or whatever is needed to class them properly.  Been hoping for a Druid because my Necro lost his eye (Can a Druid even restore an eye?).  Also waiting/hoping for a fix for Necro exp before I continue that save, that'll be so helpful.

Don't mean to rush or anything, just looking forward to it.  I was having a lot of fun with this mod.  Actually, I might just start up a different class/scenario in the mean time.  Current game just has my Necro but maybe I'll try a Druid + Pally combo in my next one...  Sounds entertaining.

QuoteI really like the idea that anybody could become a mage too.  But maybe they have much lower mana reserves or their spells are weakened, probably make it so it takes much longer to learn spells and/or they can't learn master spells.

Very curious.
He mention that mages are overpowered, but then he want that everyone become a mage! :-) To made them are rare is the only way to balance them.
But otherhand, if anyone is a mage, mellee fights would be very difficult when everyone can explode ! :-)

If you want every pawn with spells/abilities maybe try out the Vampire mod.

Quote from: Canute on February 02, 2018, 05:16:18 PM

QuoteI really like the idea that anybody could become a mage too.  But maybe they have much lower mana reserves or their spells are weakened, probably make it so it takes much longer to learn spells and/or they can't learn master spells.

Very curious.
He mention that mages are overpowered, but then he want that everyone become a mage! :-) To made them are rare is the only way to balance them.
But otherhand, if anyone is a mage, mellee fights would be very difficult when everyone can explode ! :-)

If you want every pawn with spells/abilities maybe try out the Vampire mod.

Well if there are different tiers of magic, you might have different ways of building it.

One build is like the Vampires mod, where if a lesser mage "consumes" the "mana/soul/whatever" of a higher tier mage, then this mage will advance to the tier of the mage they just consumed.

Another way could be everyone has a much higher chance of being magical, but the highest tiers have a very low chance of ever spawning into the game. Most people would only be a basic magic user, maybe even none at all.

Quote from: Canute on February 02, 2018, 05:16:18 PM

QuoteI really like the idea that anybody could become a mage too.  But maybe they have much lower mana reserves or their spells are weakened, probably make it so it takes much longer to learn spells and/or they can't learn master spells.

Very curious.
He mention that mages are overpowered, but then he want that everyone become a mage! :-) To made them are rare is the only way to balance them.
But otherhand, if anyone is a mage, mellee fights would be very difficult when everyone can explode ! :-)

If you want every pawn with spells/abilities maybe try out the Vampire mod.

Are you dense or something?  Lol.  There are plenty of ways to balance that anybody could become a mage.  If you read my post, I listed some examples.  I didn't plan for it to be something easy/simple to do.  I mentioned it could have special requirements like items, quests, requiring special training, and have penalties to balance it.  I also mentioned that I'd want it to be optional if it happened because it could still be unbalanced, or might not be what everybody wants.

Reading is hard huh?  Why randomly pick a fight with somebody over their opinion, especially without reading their post properly?  Lmao.  You could have easily said "This isn't something I'd want", without attacking my opinion, but you chose to be a dick, why is that?  Rough home life or something?

This mod is just fun to talk about since it has so much potential.  Not like I think the dev will actually add anything I'm mentioning.  First really big rpg/fantasy type mod I've found.  Vampires is great too but it's still poorly balanced in my opinion and I get bored of it quickly.  The fact that the enemies can use spells does wonders for this mod's balance.

Quote from: Harry_Dicks on February 02, 2018, 05:44:07 PM

Well if there are different tiers of magic, you might have different ways of building it.

One build is like the Vampires mod, where if a lesser mage "consumes" the "mana/soul/whatever" of a higher tier mage, then this mage will advance to the tier of the mage they just consumed.

Another way could be everyone has a much higher chance of being magical, but the highest tiers have a very low chance of ever spawning into the game. Most people would only be a basic magic user, maybe even none at all.

Tiers of mages would be awesome.  Would be similar to everybody being born with different physical potentials.  Most people can play basketball, but without the proper height you're at a massive advantage trying to become a pro eh?

Quote from: WitchLyfe on February 02, 2018, 07:23:20 PM
Are you dense or something?  Lol.  There are plenty of ways to balance that anybody could become a mage.  If you read my post, I listed some examples.  I didn't plan for it to be something easy/simple to do.  I mentioned it could have special requirements like items, quests, requiring special training, and have penalties to balance it.  I also mentioned that I'd want it to be optional if it happened because it could still be unbalanced, or might not be what everybody wants.

Reading is hard huh?  Why randomly pick a fight with somebody over their opinion, especially without reading their post properly?  Lmao.  You could have easily said "This isn't something I'd want", without attacking my opinion, but you chose to be a dick, why is that?  Rough home life or something?

This mod is just fun to talk about since it has so much potential.  Not like I think the dev will actually add anything I'm mentioning.  First really big rpg/fantasy type mod I've found.  Vampires is great too but it's still poorly balanced in my opinion and I get bored of it quickly.  The fact that the enemies can use spells does wonders for this mod's balance.

Oh my god I'm dying over here. I think Canute means well, but he has trouble with English as a secondary language.

Canute, my friend, I'm sorry but you really do have an issue of misunderstanding people a lot. Maybe it's the language thing, but you should understand that the way you come across to people, you can be off-putting. Listen, I'm no angel, but you seem to put that out there more often than not. I love you buddy, but c'mon man. ::)

Quote from: WitchLyfe on February 02, 2018, 07:23:20 PM
Tiers of mages would be awesome.  Would be similar to everybody being born with different physical potentials.  Most people can play basketball, but without the proper height you're at a massive advantage trying to become a pro eh?

Definitely. I love how well Torann is developing this mod. It's like every update is just around the corner with something awesome for us! ;D

Quote from: Harry_Dicks on February 02, 2018, 08:00:46 PM
Oh my god I'm dying over here. I think Canute means well, but he has trouble understanding English.

Canute, my friend, I'm sorry but you really do have an issue of misunderstanding people a lot. Maybe it's the language thing, but you should understand that the way you come across to people, you can be off-putting. Listen, I'm no angel, but you seem to put that out there more often than not. I love you buddy, but c'mon man.

Oh...is that it?  Now I kinda feel bad if they weren't intentionally as hostile as they seemed x.x

Quote from: WitchLyfe on February 02, 2018, 08:02:42 PM
Oh...is that it?  Now I kinda feel bad if they weren't intentionally as hostile as they seemed x.x

I wouldn't feel too bad, I've said something to him twice now recently because he keeps doing the same thing to me. He is saying silly stuff, a lot.

Quote from: Radis_cale on February 02, 2018, 04:01:41 PM
-About the druid spell cure disease, improving cure disease power at level 2 say: 75% chance to reduce severity by 2, and at level 3 it say: 52% chance to reduce severity by 2 and 32% chance to reduce severity by 3. Is it intended ? Is it me that doesn't understand something ?

This is a good question, sorry it's a bit confusing.  Many types of diseases or infections have stages to them, so when trying to cure a disease that is in the later stages, it might lessen the disease instead of cure it outright.  For example, the Flu has minor, major, and extreme stages - so if you are curing a pawn that is in the extreme stage of flu with level 2, it has a 75% chance to reduce the Flu stage to 'minor' and a 25% chance to reduce it back to 'major.'  At level 3, it has a 32% chance to completely cure the Flu.  I hope that makes sense.

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-Mana sickness, the idea of the mana drain event does not bother me that much, but seriously, why it takes so long to recover from mana sickness, and also the mages who do not have 100% mana at the beginning of the drain have a great chance of dying, it's a bit extreme.

I haven't noticed it being very lethal, but if the event starts and you have low mana then it's definitely possible.  A few things you can do: keep mana potions on hand, you can "administer mana potion" if the mage becomes unconscious.  Also, wounded mages (mages in pain) or mages with lowered consciousness are more susceptible to mana drain effects.  Siphon Mana and Transfer Mana can also be very useful in these situations.

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I would like to share my ideas too.

Thanks for the feedback, I really like the idea of social interactions between magic users, kind of like a mentor!

Quote from: WitchLyfe on February 02, 2018, 07:23:20 PM
Not like I think the dev will actually add anything I'm mentioning. 

Believe it or not, I take notes of every idea contributed here.  Just realize that I'm a single modder and this is a hobby so I'm limited on time.  I imagine most modders are in the same situation.  We also have to figure out how to build idea's into RimWorld, some idea's are easier and have ways already built to do this, others can be very difficult and have to be implemented from scratch.

Also, there are quite a few bugs mentioned that are fixed in the version I'm working on, but the Ranger class is only partially complete and will need to be finished prior to the next update - sorry about the delay.

Quote from: Radis_cale on February 02, 2018, 04:01:41 PM
-Mana sickness, the idea of the mana drain event does not bother me that much, but seriously, why it takes so long to recover from mana sickness, and also the mages who do not have 100% mana at the beginning of the drain have a great chance of dying, it's a bit extreme.

I would like to share my ideas too.

-Change the mana drain event, instead of draining the mana, force the mages to use more mana to cast their spells, with why not a longer cooldown or even disable the most powerful spells.

I like this. Mana drain hits without warning, and if you don't have potions, can very easily kill a pawn. On the other hand, mages ARE overpowered...

It seems minions don't clean, even when idle. Is it just me? Could be a mod conflict. They do rush to combat though, even though their flavor text says they dislike combat.

If you pause the game, draft a pawn, give them a move order, then chain a bunch of spells, the pawn will cast all spells, ignoring cooldowns and mana costs (their mana cannot go below 0).

Please remove the cooldown on dry ground and moisturize ground. It makes sense to want to cast those spells quickly, since they cost so little and only affect one tile each.

What about having more than one master spell per profession, but each pawn is only able to learn one master spell?

And what about having other magic-type traits?

- Magical prodigy : cannot learn spells with levels, but can learn any non-master scroll spell.
- Magical savant : cannot learn spells with levels, but can learn any number of master spells from any specialization. Only master spells.

And traits that affect only magic users (assuming you can have traits require other traits)
- Fickle mage : cannot accumulate skill points. Skill points are spent automatically when leveling. May unlock new spells for 1 skill point.
- Superior mind : increases the maximum mana pool (or halves mana costs and mana regeneration)
- Wild mage : Increased mana regeneration, but every spell gives negative effects
- Quick caster : half casting time for spells. Increased cooldowns

Quote from: WitchLyfe on February 02, 2018, 08:02:42 PM

Quote from: Harry_Dicks on February 02, 2018, 08:00:46 PM
Oh my god I'm dying over here. I think Canute means well, but he has trouble understanding English.

Canute, my friend, I'm sorry but you really do have an issue of misunderstanding people a lot. Maybe it's the language thing, but you should understand that the way you come across to people, you can be off-putting. Listen, I'm no angel, but you seem to put that out there more often than not. I love you buddy, but c'mon man.

Oh...is that it?  Now I kinda feel bad if they weren't intentionally as hostile as they seemed x.x

Witch try to keep in mind that our forum is global in terms of welcomed users. A community built upon countless languages and ideas, as such just because someone speaks in your tongue doesn't mean they grasp it 100 percent. :D Save me the trouble of having to yell at you next time by just not assuming everyone is being a negative individual. Not to mention if someone is being a hostile bugger just report them with the forum's report function. Ask Harry, I loooooove stepping in! <3

I see a new post on the magic thread, and I say to myself, "awesome!" As I am scrolling down, I see the red on the left of the screen, then more red letters on the screen, and I'm thinking, "Shit! This is it. Welp, it's been fun, boys!"

Quote from: henk on February 02, 2018, 09:22:05 PM
It seems minions don't clean, even when idle. Is it just me? Could be a mod conflict. They do rush to combat though, even though their flavor text says they dislike combat.

Yeah, there's some growth needed in the minion AI thinktree.

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Please remove the cooldown on dry ground and moisturize ground. It makes sense to want to cast those spells quickly, since they cost so little and only affect one tile each.

Done.

Quote from: henk
What about having more than one master spell per profession, but each pawn is only able to learn one master spell?

And what about having other magic-type traits?

- Magical prodigy : cannot learn spells with levels, but can learn any non-master scroll spell.
- Magical savant : cannot learn spells with levels, but can learn any number of master spells from any specialization. Only master spells.

And traits that affect only magic users (assuming you can have traits require other traits)
- Fickle mage : cannot accumulate skill points. Skill points are spent automatically when leveling. May unlock new spells for 1 skill point.
- Superior mind : increases the maximum mana pool (or halves mana costs and mana regeneration)
- Wild mage : Increased mana regeneration, but every spell gives negative effects
- Quick caster : half casting time for spells. Increased cooldowns

Biggest thing holding up class development right now is the magic pane.  It can't scroll and it's not as clear or intuitive as I'd like, so that needs to be fixed first.  After that's done, it'll open up a lot of new things, like sub-classes or selective development and more ability options in general.  Lot of good supporting traits ideas, most of which shouldn't be too hard to add.

I'll look into the bug.

Quote from: WitchLyfe on February 02, 2018, 08:02:42 PM

Quote from: Harry_Dicks on February 02, 2018, 08:00:46 PM
Oh my god I'm dying over here. I think Canute means well, but he has trouble understanding English.

Oh...is that it?  Now I kinda feel bad if they weren't intentionally as hostile as they seemed x.x

Don't worry i have a magic shield against this ! :-)

Just got a incapable of violence necromancer, he can't do anything, even raising the dead is violent ^^

Quote from: Radis_cale on February 03, 2018, 04:06:59 AM
Just got a incapable of violence necromancer, he can't do anything, even raising the dead is violent ^^

Well who are you to interfere with this necromancer's moral conundrum? ;D

UNDEAD LIVES MATTER!

Maybe try RF - Pawns Are Capable! until this is fixed. ;)

Still better than an incapable of violence blademaster. Not even one passive skill helped with non-violent tasks. But hey, that's Rimworld traits for you!

Quote from: Harry_Dicks on February 03, 2018, 05:48:33 AM

Quote from: Radis_cale on February 03, 2018, 04:06:59 AM
Just got a incapable of violence necromancer, he can't do anything, even raising the dead is violent ^^

Well who are you to interfere with this necromancer's moral conundrum? ;D

UNDEAD LIVES MATTER!

Maybe try RF - Pawns Are Capable! until this is fixed. ;)

...but undead aren't living, so how do they have lives...?

Quote from: billyma6 on February 03, 2018, 04:50:15 PM
...but undead aren't living, so how do they have lives...?

Only a LIFE-IST would say that! Oooohh look at mister PRIVILEGED over here who just so happens to be ALIVE trying to keep the undead man down!

Quote from: billyma6 on February 03, 2018, 04:50:15 PM

Quote from: Harry_Dicks on February 03, 2018, 05:48:33 AM

Quote from: Radis_cale on February 03, 2018, 04:06:59 AM
Just got a incapable of violence necromancer, he can't do anything, even raising the dead is violent ^^

Well who are you to interfere with this necromancer's moral conundrum? ;D

UNDEAD LIVES MATTER!

Maybe try RF - Pawns Are Capable! until this is fixed. ;)

...but undead aren't living, so how do they have lives...?

but undead means not dead so therefore life is in them , albeit not the same amount of life lol.

Quote from: blizzardwolf420 on February 03, 2018, 07:10:01 PM

Quote from: billyma6 on February 03, 2018, 04:50:15 PM

Quote from: Harry_Dicks on February 03, 2018, 05:48:33 AM

Quote from: Radis_cale on February 03, 2018, 04:06:59 AM
Just got a incapable of violence necromancer, he can't do anything, even raising the dead is violent ^^

Well who are you to interfere with this necromancer's moral conundrum? ;D

UNDEAD LIVES MATTER!

Maybe try RF - Pawns Are Capable! until this is fixed. ;)

...but undead aren't living, so how do they have lives...?

but undead means not dead so therefore life is in them , albeit not the same amount of life lol.

but technically by definition, "undead" means dead but still animate so they're still dead lol.

Just updated to 1.8.1 on steam and moddb.
Adds the preist and ranger classes.
Fixes that necro bug where having an undead prevents gaining xp at max.  With Mehni's help, the conflict with "pick up and haul" and minions was fixed, plus quite a few more tweaks and bugs.
AI will use their buffs a bit more, especially before a fight.

Quote from: Torann on February 04, 2018, 12:24:15 AM
Just updated to 1.8.1 on steam and moddb.
Adds the preist and ranger classes.
Fixes that necro bug where having an undead prevents gaining xp at max.  With Mehni's help, the conflict with "pick up and haul" and minions was fixed, plus quite a few more tweaks and bugs.
AI will use their buffs a bit more, especially before a fight.

YES! Toran, I don't know how much longer you can keep this up. You've been running at 200% awesomeness non stop for too long!

Somebody stop this man, he's too powerful!

I'm getting these two errors, from Minify Everything and the elemental rifts. I was looking at the defs and saw the thingcategory is commented out. Is that so you don't have it on your build menu? Also, is that why Minify Everything is picking this up as an error? I like that mod a lot, better than Miniaturisation Overload, because it seems to just pull the entire list over all types of buildings/furniture in your game, and gives you the option if you want them to minifiable or not. Even things you can't select, like terrain that I can terraform with from a mod.

Either way, this isn't too big a deal, is it? I haven't gotten around to checking out the rift yet, so I'm guessing it isn't something for me to build anyway, especially from the description.

Is there anything I can change on my end, that you know of, so that I won't have this error? If not no biggie :)

Also two sound errors because there is no sound called Bullet.

And good job with the patch notes popping up, I love how I can see all documented minor changes. You are doing a really, really great job with this man. I look forward everyday to see if you post something new ;)

EDIT: Latest update also gave me these bugs as well. KF Colonist Bar lost all of it's icons (on the bar itself and on colonists) and I lost my Prepare Carefully button! I promise, the only mod that I changed was the TMagic update. Because then once I turned *only* TMagic off, my Prepare Carefully button came back, along with Colonist Bar icons.

Failed to find Verse.ThingDef named TM_ElementalRift_Blueprint_Install. There are 7154 defs of this type loaded.
Verse.Log:Error(String)
Verse.DefDatabase`1:GetNamed(String, Boolean)
Verse.ThingDef:Named(String)
MinifyEverything.MinifyEverything:RemoveMinifiedFor(ThingDef)
MinifyEverything.<>c:<.cctor>b__0_1(ThingDef)
System.Collections.Generic.List`1:ForEach(Action`1)
MinifyEverything.MinifyEverything:.cctor()
System.Runtime.CompilerServices.RuntimeHelpers:RunClassConstructor(IntPtr)
System.Runtime.CompilerServices.RuntimeHelpers:RunClassConstructor(RuntimeTypeHandle)
Verse.StaticConstructorOnStartupUtility:CallAll()
Verse.PlayDataLoader:<DoPlayLoad>m__2()
Verse.LongEventHandler:ExecuteToExecuteWhenFinished()
Verse.LongEventHandler:UpdateCurrentAsynchronousEvent()
Verse.LongEventHandler:LongEventsUpdate(Boolean&)
Verse.Root:Update_Patch1(Object)
Verse.Root_Entry:Update()

Could not execute post-long-event action. Exception: System.TypeInitializationException: An exception was thrown by the type initializer for MinifyEverything.MinifyEverything ---> System.Reflection.TargetInvocationException: Exception has been thrown by the target of an invocation. ---> System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
  at Verse.DefDatabase`1[Verse.ThingDef].Remove (Verse.ThingDef def) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at (wrapper managed-to-native) System.Reflection.MonoMethod:InternalInvoke (object,object[],System.Exception&)
  at System.Reflection.MonoMethod.Invoke (System.Object obj, BindingFlags invokeAttr, System.Reflection.Binder binder, System.Object[] parameters, System.Globalization.CultureInfo culture) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  --- End of inner exception stack trace ---
  at System.Reflection.MonoMethod.Invoke (System.Object obj, BindingFlags invokeAttr, System.Reflection.Binder binder, System.Object[] parameters, System.Globalization.CultureInfo culture) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at System.Reflection.MethodBase.Invoke (System.Object obj, System.Object[] parameters) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at Harmony.Traverse.GetValue (System.Object[] arguments) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at MinifyEverything.MinifyEverything.RemoveMinifiedFor (Verse.ThingDef def) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at MinifyEverything.MinifyEverything+<>c.<.cctor>b__0_1 (Verse.ThingDef td) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at System.Collections.Generic.List`1[Verse.ThingDef].ForEach (System.Action`1 action) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at MinifyEverything.MinifyEverything..cctor () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  --- End of inner exception stack trace ---
  at (wrapper managed-to-native) System.Runtime.CompilerServices.RuntimeHelpers:RunClassConstructor (intptr)
  at System.Runtime.CompilerServices.RuntimeHelpers.RunClassConstructor (RuntimeTypeHandle type) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at Verse.StaticConstructorOnStartupUtility.CallAll () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at Verse.PlayDataLoader.<DoPlayLoad>m__2 () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at Verse.LongEventHandler.ExecuteToExecuteWhenFinished () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
Verse.Log:Error(String)
Verse.LongEventHandler:ExecuteToExecuteWhenFinished()
Verse.LongEventHandler:UpdateCurrentAsynchronousEvent()
Verse.LongEventHandler:LongEventsUpdate(Boolean&)
Verse.Root:Update_Patch1(Object)
Verse.Root_Entry:Update()

Is it possible to retrain mages to other classes? I have no gifted pawns anymore and I want to have one of my arcane mages retrained to a priest.

No you can't retrain them.
But they still can read Spell scrolls to learn this kind of spell.


Torann,
about the Portal.
- the Portal itself need a charging display rather then how big the vortex are or when a mage try to charge it.
Would be nice if you can see the percent at the info window when you select the portal.

- i don't think you can made it possible that pawn's auto. path through the portal when the destination is at the same map ?

- it would be nice if you could adjust the portal to an outpost, to establish a trade connection. You can either use the Com console or the portal to trade with the destination. Would cost 30-50% to do a trade, or dynamical how many items you trade.

Quote from: Harry_Dicks on February 04, 2018, 02:19:47 AM
I'm getting these two errors

For the 'minify everything' you are correct that the elemental rift isn't player built.  This is a structure that triggers the elemental assault and will create and destroy itself for the event, so you shouldn't need to worry about this.  It's strange though, there shouldn't be a significant different between the elemental rift and the teleporter, for example, because neither should show up in any menu to build.  So I'll look at why the rift may generate this error.

When do you get the sound error?  I can't find any place where I'm using bullet as the sound for anything.

I'm using KF Colonist Bar and Prepare Carefully also and both seem to work fine.  I created a new game to check the prepare carefully button and had no problems using the button and making a custom start.  I didn't see any problems with icons not show for the colonist bar, even on existing games.  I'm putting TMagic at the top of the mod load order, I don't know if that'll make a difference.

I'll post the two audio ones, along with the HugsLib log, and my modlist. I'm trying to move your mod around to see if it helps, but so far no luck. And all of these issues go away if I revert to the most previous version of TMagic I have, and that is the only thing I change.

Could not resolve cross-reference: No Verse.SoundDef named Bullet found to give to Verse.DamageDef TM_Arrow (using undefined sound instead)
Verse.Log:Warning(String)
Verse.WantedRefForObject:TryResolve(FailMode)
Verse.DirectXmlCrossRefLoader:ResolveAllWantedCrossReferences(FailMode)
Verse.PlayDataLoader:DoPlayLoad()
Verse.PlayDataLoader:LoadAllPlayData(Boolean)
Verse.Root:<Start>m__1()
Verse.LongEventHandler:RunEventFromAnotherThread(Action)
Verse.LongEventHandler:<UpdateCurrentAsynchronousEvent>m__1()


Could not resolve cross-reference: No Verse.SoundDef named Bullet found to give to Verse.DamageDef TM_Shrapnel (using undefined sound instead)
Verse.Log:Warning(String)
Verse.WantedRefForObject:TryResolve(FailMode)
Verse.DirectXmlCrossRefLoader:ResolveAllWantedCrossReferences(FailMode)
Verse.PlayDataLoader:DoPlayLoad()
Verse.PlayDataLoader:LoadAllPlayData(Boolean)
Verse.Root:<Start>m__1()
Verse.LongEventHandler:RunEventFromAnotherThread(Action)
Verse.LongEventHandler:<UpdateCurrentAsynchronousEvent>m__1()


Ah, found em, thanks.  Neither of those should have an explosion sounds at all.

Also, here was the huglib report, https://gist.github.com/bf5a7b9beb70390147af5ca353e966dd

EDIT: So by putting TMagic at the bottom of my list (which I didn't want to try) is giving me these same errors that I've had before with other mods. Somewhere I suppose near the bottom of my list, I have a mod that is redefining core defs, and it is messing up everything after them, if I put certain mods after it, saying I need to define the <thingClass> as a building. I had this issue before with cupro's mods and having them later in my list, and he explained it to me. Someone else has made something that redefines a core mod that is required for a mod that is loaded after it, so then this later mod (that is built properly) will throw errors, making it look like they are at fault, when really the one at fault is the mod loaded earlier that's redefining core defs!

Also, the hugslib report I posted is from my normal modlist load order, which has been working 100% for me so far. The only errors I even get are a couple from TMagic because of the frostbite parts, no biggie, and a couple other insignificant ones like androids bed type and a display radius for a table. Those won't affect anything though, as far as I have been able to tell through extensive restarts and short playthrough testing. In other words, game was fine, put in new update, game now not fine. Move TMagic to bottom, get Prepare Carefully back, but issues now from other mods, which I'm going to start working on now actually.

Sigh, looks like I really need to finally tackle this problem. Well, guess I'm going to leave TMagic at the end, and start playing the process of elimination. I'll just start taking out 50% mods at a time, then re-adding and taking the other halves off, and I will just keep halving my list until I can find the culprit.

I'll report back later on. Also, putting TMagic at the end of my list, let me get my Prepare Carefully button back, but no my Colonist Bar icons, and I still have all those errors because some of your defs depend on cores, and someone else further up the line is messing your mod up for me! >:(

Mana now restores during caravans! But cooldowns don't pass... And it seems minions can join caravans, which glitches out the food count (mine shower -8000 days of food)

Playing around with the load order. I've gotten my Prepare Carefully button to come back up, by my Colonist Bar icons are still missing. It's weird too, because the mod is working, I'll show a screenshot where it has a colonist highlighted, and you can see at the top of the screen, where the bar is, it shows where the icons and mood bar would be.

Anyway, going to try and do some more narrowing down, and I'll report back. Also, when loading up the screen to pick your pawns, I got these errors that I'll post for you.

https://gist.github.com/40e07889318bc5cb4fc23fd711cbee67

Got a about a dozen of these errors I'll post below, and 2 for Shield, and they had another red error between all of them. All of these red errors happen right after world gen, before I pick my landing site.

EDIT: Moving Colonist Bar further up in the mod list brought the icons back. Hmm, it must be something else still causing this issue. Determined to find it..

EDIT: Final update. After narrowing it down, it was Blocks Convert causing me many headaches. BuildBase abstract was redefined, making everyone after him look like the bad guy. Sorry for the extra issues :)

Tried to get a resource "Other/MageMark" from a different thread. All resources must be loaded in the main thread.
Verse.Log:Error(String)
Verse.ContentFinder`1:Get(String, Boolean)
Verse.MaterialPool:MatFrom(String, Shader, Color)
TorannMagic.CompAbilityUserMagic:.cctor()
System.Reflection.MonoCMethod:InternalInvoke(Object, Object[], Exception&)
System.Reflection.MonoCMethod:Invoke(Object, BindingFlags, Binder, Object[], CultureInfo)
System.Reflection.MonoCMethod:Invoke(BindingFlags, Binder, Object[], CultureInfo)
System.Reflection.ConstructorInfo:Invoke(Object[])
System.Activator:CreateInstance(Type, Boolean)
System.Activator:CreateInstance(Type)
AbilityUser.AbilityUserUtility:TransformPawn(Pawn)
AbilityUser.AbilityUserMod:InternalAddInAbilityUsers(Pawn)
AbilityUser.AbilityUserMod:InitializeComps_PostFix(ThingWithComps)
Verse.ThingWithComps:InitializeComps_Patch3(Object)
Verse.ThingWithComps:PostMake()
Verse.ThingMaker:MakeThing_Patch1(ThingDef, ThingDef)
Verse.PawnGenerator:TryGenerateNewNakedPawn(PawnGenerationRequest&, String&, Boolean)
Verse.PawnGenerator:GenerateNewNakedPawn_Patch1(PawnGenerationRequest&)
Verse.PawnGenerator:GeneratePawnInternal(PawnGenerationRequest)
Verse.PawnGenerator:GeneratePawn(PawnGenerationRequest)
Verse.PawnGenerator:GeneratePawn(PawnKindDef, Faction)
RimWorld.Faction:GenerateNewLeader()
RimWorld.FactionGenerator:NewGeneratedFaction(FactionDef)
RFC_Code.FactionGenerator_GenerateFactionsIntoWorld:Prefix()
RimWorld.FactionGenerator:GenerateFactionsIntoWorld_Patch1()
RimWorld.Planet.WorldGenStep_Factions:GenerateFresh(String)
RimWorld.Planet.WorldGenerator:GenerateWorld_Patch2(Single, String, OverallRainfall, OverallTemperature)
RimWorld.Page_CreateWorldParams:<CanDoNext>m__0()
Verse.LongEventHandler:RunEventFromAnotherThread(Action)
Verse.LongEventHandler:<UpdateCurrentAsynchronousEvent>m__1()


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Soft drawn does not decrease the stasmina cost of the Ranger Arrow Storm.
Mages are not marked when the game is paused.
Mana pylons destroy furniture (such as chairs) and trade beacons when placed on them.

A pawn with a very low movement is downed when it casts a large spell due to arcane weakness, which results in a waste of mana and an un-cast spell.

Why not adding an event like Incapacitated refugee, but with a mage you can rescue, it would have a small chance to happen after a mana drain event ?

Quote from: Radis_cale on February 04, 2018, 07:01:16 PM
Soft drawn does not decrease the stasmina cost of the Ranger Arrow Storm.

Ah, thanks.  I just uploaded the fix.

Quote from: Radis_cale on February 04, 2018, 07:01:16 PM
Mages are not marked when the game is paused.

Meant to fix that last update but it's fixed now.

Also fixed: elemental rift can no longer be deconstructed or claimed; AI won't continue to buff themselves if they're already buffed.

What is the difference between a Woodsman and Ranger?

Quote from: Harry_Dicks on February 05, 2018, 01:26:17 AM
What is the difference between a Woodsman and Ranger?

Ranger, like Sniper and Bladedancer, has multiple stages to their trait.  Stages can be advanced through training.
Ranger: woodsman->hunter->scout->ranger

At 1.8.1 When a pawn leave the map with the gateway, the bed don't get unassigned. Not a major issue, but when you can fix it.

I notice at all these world events, the rewards allways was Torn/magical scripts. Not a single combat style.
Is this just unluck or did you didn't add them as reward.

Hi, just started playing with the new classes, and I have another class suggestion:
The Pysker
Able to move and shape matter just by thoughts, the Psyker is a subtle manipulator of the battlefield.
Toss
The caster launches a selected target through the air. the target becomes a weapon, dealing blunt damage to all in their way. For extra awesomeness, make this a skill: At level 0, the target will break through wood doors. At level 1, the target will go through steel doors and wood walls. At level two, The target will go though steel walls and stone doors. At level 3, the target will go through most walls and all doors.

Crush. The targeted area will have higher gravity. All who pass through are slowed and get dealt blunt damage.

Wall of force
An impassable barrier is put up to block gunfire and movement. This has a limited time.

Telepathy
This grants colonists more sight and manipulation for a long time, at the cost of their social life "Y's thinking about B! That bastard!

Ultimate: Pysker's scream.
This has a large aoe, and only affect enemies. The effects varies:
Deaf: No effect
Dull: Stun
Normal: Ear damage, mood debuff and Stun
Sensitive: Massive ear damage, blood losses out of orifices
Hypersensitive: Cranial Hemorrhaging, massive brain trauma.

Nice fixes, didn't know if enemies not showing their mage status was just me until the patch.  I don't have to run my Necro around casting spells awkwardly every time their mp maxes, whooo.  Finally able to start leveling some of the offensive spells.

Can any heal spells heal scars?  By the sound of it, I thought Rejuv from the Druid would.  Seems tough to balance so I understand why that might not be possible, just wish it was a little clearer.

Any way to lower the cost of the upkeep on zombies?  Seems like the mana cost reduction for casting spells probably doesn't help that.  Noticed even with 3/5 regen I still lose mana with 2.  Also noticed zombies regen their missing body parts when revived, I didn't know that...I've been tossing them away when they lose a limb.  Is that new?  I might revive one of my older zombies...  I still like having one always around as a clean and misc job bot, and prepped for raids.

Killing my colonist zombie so I could rerevive them after I level the undead passive caused massive social penalties for my Necro.  A -10 with his wife seems to not be going away at all...that sucks x.x  Little thing but my zombie still carries around food too even though they don't eat.

At least I finally managed to catch a fire mage and find a Druid scroll for my gifted pawn.  The buff from the fire mage is pretty misleading at initial levels and becomes really strong when maxed.  Wish I could know that ahead of time.  I've found some spells to not scale so well.  Hard to tell where to put points.

I find it kinda odd that mana potions use existing drugs, I was hoping they'd have their own herbs and stuff.  I wanna make a little alchemy/potion/growing room for my mages, lol.  Gotta look up some mage/fantasy armor and clothes too...  I wonder if there's a caldron and witch type furniture somewhere as well.

Wonder if it's possible to make an all mage team with how rare they are.  I kinda wanna try a run where I don't use any traditional weapons unless it's their specialty (My Necro running around with a sniper rifle always feels odd, haha).  Necro would be terrible for that, but maybe Fire/Ice/Lightning could do it.  There a chance we could get staves or wands or something that do a basic magic attack instead of using firearms?  I'd love that, even if they don't have any bonuses to magic use.  Magic hunters using them instead of firearms would help a lot with immersion.

Torann I was curious about the Ranger. To get the boost from bows, does the game know if you are using a bow but it's from a mod? I want to use the bow from the Forsakens mod, but will your mod recognize it as a bow? I didn't know if there was something in the defs that actually differentiates between firearms and bows that your mod uses.

Anyway, I was thinking of having a class called the Tactician/Engineer. His abilities would "create/summon" temporary structures that will last until new ones are placed elsewhere, or they are destroyed from damage. The focus of abilities would revolve around two or three specialized turrets that could be created, along a barrier or two, possibly some other stationary things to create, like healing wards, buffing wards, etc. Give them a nice balance of defensive damage and supporting skills. A good chunk of the skills that the tactician upgrades will enable his turrets to gain new abilities. For example, as he levels skills they could: give turrets and occasional area of attack round that fires every so often, give turrets the ability to increasingly slow their targets, make turrets fire faster/more often/longer bursts.

He could also create temporary barriers, forcing enemies to try to break through them or be forced to go around. This makes the class able to direct the flow of battle to their control, bringing enemies to where it will be best for the colony. Maybe the tactician can also set wards and/or traps. These could be healing wards, stun wards, increase accuracy wards, force field wards, shield wards, fast/slow wards, all kinds of fun status buffs/debuffs/affects. Really you could take these offensive/defensive/utility devices in many directions.

I'm thinking of this class as one of the better defensive/support roles, especially with all stationary things they create. Thoughts?

Quote from: Canute on February 05, 2018, 10:53:33 AM
At 1.8.1 When a pawn leave the map with the gateway, the bed don't get unassigned. Not a major issue, but when you can fix it.

What? If that's true, how is that possible Torann? I ask because other people were asking in a different thread if there was a way to make people stay assigned to their things even if they leave the map. I think this was stuff for like dubs Bad Hygiene, but there are other situations where people don't want any of their colonists' stuff to get unassigned. Is there a toggle for this or anything? Could a pawn be assigned to a bed in one map, and a bed in another at the same time?

Quote from: Jackalvin on February 05, 2018, 01:30:02 PM
Hi, just started playing with the new classes, and I have another class suggestion:
The Pysker

Really like this idea, ill add it to the list of possible new classes.

Quote from: WitchLyfe on February 05, 2018, 02:50:44 PM
Can any heal spells heal scars? 

Yes, the priest spell "purify" can heal scars, brain damage, age related or genetic weaknesses (like asthma or frailty), and reduce or remove addiction withdrawal.  You can actually cure someone of luciferium, though it's hard.  Purify is a high mana cost spell and drains the priest, and even at maxed power, purify will only cure .2 luciferium severity each time it's used.  Consuming luciferium once starts a pawn at .5 severity, and each additional dose adds .1 severity... so certainly not an easy thing to do and the clock is against you.  The priest can not heal missing limbs.

The Druid spell "cure disease" is only for curing infections and diseases, it does nothing for genetic failings or scars.  The regeneration spell from the druid acts as a "heal over time" which heals small amounts of physical damage (cuts, bruises, etc) each time it ticks.  The Druid gets "regrow limb" and, like the name says, regrows limbs only (feet, hands, legs, arms), but does nothing currently for eyes, nose, etc.

Between the two classes, you should be able to cure pretty much everything though.

Quote from: WitchLyfe
Any way to lower the cost of the upkeep on zombies undead?  Seems like the mana cost reduction for casting spells probably doesn't help that.

You know, that's a great point.  Right now the only thing that really helps a necro out is the global skill "Clarity" as it increases amount of mana gained.  I'll probably add a reduction in upkeep cost through the "Cheating Death" skill.

Quote from: WitchLyfe
Killing my colonist zombie so I could rerevive them after I level the undead passive caused massive social penalties for my Necro.

Well that's not supposed to happen, I thought I'd gotten all the negative thoughts from an undead dying, can you tell me what the caption on the mood penalty is?

Also agree on the item stuff, it's coming in the near future - along with enchantments and useable, magical items.

Quote from: Canute on February 05, 2018, 10:53:33 AM
I notice at all these world events, the rewards allways was Torn/magical scripts. Not a single combat style.
Is this just unluck or did you didn't add them as reward.

I think just unlucky, I double checked and they're definitely in there.  They don't have "torn" versions so that reduces the chance for the class book a bit.

Quote from: Harry_Dicks on February 05, 2018, 06:57:31 PM
Torann I was curious about the Ranger. To get the boost from bows, does the game know if you are using a bow but it's from a mod?

This goes through several filters to (hopefully) be as flexible as possible without allowing non-bows.
I just checked and can confirm the forsaken bow is recognized as a valid bow to use with the ranger and the damage bonus is applied as well.

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Anyway, I was thinking of having a class called the Tactician/Engineer. Thoughts?

I'll have to see, I'd like to try to keep any mechanical skills out of the mod so that people playing on low tech games can easily use the mod; this is why the sniper can't use skills without a gun. Also very similar to the summoner class.  That being said, you won't mind if I use some of the idea's for stand-alone spells do you?  ;)

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Quote from: Canute on February 05, 2018, 10:53:33 AM
At 1.8.1 When a pawn leave the map with the gateway, the bed don't get unassigned. Not a major issue, but when you can fix it.

What? If that's true, how is that possible Torann?

Interesting.  I'm sure it has to do with the fact that I bypass all normal "exit map" functions when moving a pawn through a portal.  But it sounds like there might be some merit to the behavior to look into, though I'm not sure what the disadvantages would be but I'm sure there are some...

Hey guys, you know there's a Make Rain spell for the water class right? Why not a Clear Skies one for the fire class? It'd be useful when you make it rain and then change your mind, or if it's already raining, stop it for improving aim in battles as an example.

Social penalty is just "Killed Colonist: -10".  There's no mood debuff, but it is hurting all his relationships and causing problems.  I can't see any detailed info on it unless there's a way with the dev menu.  Would love to see the duration if possible but I can't figure out how to.  He hasn't attacked/killed anybody but the undead.  I thought only his wife had it but it's actually all colonists.

I like that the Druid seems to have beef with the Necro over his choice of profession though.

Oh, just remembered one time I tried euthanizing the undead to avoid issues before I had consume corpse and got penalties for that too, lol.  Same killed colonist social hit and a euthanized colonists mood debuff.  Actually, my doctor still has that social penalty on all the colonists, that musta been a year ago at least, dang.  I don't have corpse explosion yet, but maybe that triggers it as well? Wonder about consume corpse.

Oh, cool about the items and stuff, something new to look forward to.

Starting a new colony to test out the Priest and found a Summoner quickly, this should be interesting.  A Paladin just dropped out of the sky right next to my base too, he almost took out my solar panels.  Well this is pretty dang close to a total magic squad at this point.  He joined on first attempt, haha.

My Priest has tried tending to people twice without using medicine (even though they're set to use best meds and there are meds like 10 steps away), what's up with that?  I'll try to test it more. Edit:  Didn't happen next time, hmm.  I'll try to watch for that, maybe it was because they were about to be fully healed naturally or something.

Love the Summoner minion, it's so helpful.  Though I'm contemplating changing the sprite to something more...Demongirly or imp-like, lol.

Quote from: Torann on February 05, 2018, 09:47:49 PM

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Quote from: Canute on February 05, 2018, 10:53:33 AM
At 1.8.1 When a pawn leave the map with the gateway, the bed don't get unassigned. Not a major issue, but when you can fix it.

What? If that's true, how is that possible Torann?

Interesting.  I'm sure it has to do with the fact that I bypass all normal "exit map" functions when moving a pawn through a portal.  But it sounds like there might be some merit to the behavior to look into, though I'm not sure what the disadvantages would be but I'm sure there are some...

I think you can ignore this.
Yes the bed don't get unassigned, right after the pawn leave the map.
But once these pawn seeks a new bed, the bed at the other colony got free.

Mage traders might be a tad overstocked.  My colony wealth just went from 52k to 135k after taking one out, lmao. 

Summoner is a wee bit strong as well with the turrets and mines it seems.  A level 1 turret was just shredding enemies left and right (the 3 shots seemed to kill or chunk enemies by half).  The mine exploded I think but stayed on the ground (Something exploded...)?  I guess that's a pretty hard event to balance for since I had so much prep time and could snipe out the most dangerous threat (Outside Fire Mage), before we even started the fight.  Going to have to nickname my Summoner "Caravan Ambusher".

I think I still got lucky, they were split between outside and inside my base, put a turret and mine outside and took care of the ones inside first (Some lived and remained trapped).  They fled real quick and I managed to gun down all their slow ass dromedary before they could escape.  My paladin running around shanking bitches and dromedary was pretty funny.

Got the Priest revive spell and a bunch of scrolls and spells to choose from for my gifted pawn, Priest, Paladin, Summoner.  Revived one of the Fire Mages with the new Priest resurrection spell (without penalty) and captured them too.  I don't think this run could be much better/easier, lol.  I'm about to have all the mage classes at this point.

Being able to take out a whole mage caravan should be a lot tougher if they're going to be that loaded.  They just got wrecked, I didn't even have any injuries.  Was surprised by how quickly they fled, I think it was partly because some were trapped inside.  Upside is the coming raids should be a pain in the ass.

So tldr:  Summoner might need some nerfing, they're incredibly powerful.  Probably shouldn't be able to summon the defense structure and mine so easily with how strong they are at least.  Mage caravan might need a bit of toning down early game as well.  They seem to have a massive stock over vanilla caravans at the same wealth point.

Tried running the event again and didn't do nearly as well, so maybe it was a bit of luck/skill.  I think them all being grouped up on the mine was the big thing.  Ay, now I don't feel so bad about winning since I was a lot more careful with placement the first time.

Mine also seems to have a lot smaller explosion radius than the blast it seems, kinda misleading, is that the max range it can boom?  I haven't upgraded it yet.

Quote from: Torann on February 05, 2018, 09:47:49 PM
I'll have to see, I'd like to try to keep any mechanical skills out of the mod so that people playing on low tech games can easily use the mod; this is why the sniper can't use skills without a gun. Also very similar to the summoner class.  That being said, you won't mind if I use some of the idea's for stand-alone spells do you?  ;)

I understand what you mean. Okay, well maybe we can re imagine this as a witch doctor? Instead of turrets, he will summon temporary totems and wards. He will still be limited to say 3 totems, which would essentially be like temporary turrets in a way. I'm thinking either all three totems are the same and have the same abilities, or have one big, one little, and one other... maybe utility totem. If you have the 3 different totems, you could of course let them all 3 have different abilities that they use periodically, direct attacks or area of effect abilities that radiate out from the totem, or other abilities that affect all enemies within a radius of the totem.

These totems could either be invulnerable or you could destroy them, not sure. I'm thinking you can destroy them, but they have a decent amount of health, and they also have a decent cooldown on each of them, maybe a 1-2 minutes each. This will make the decision of where you place them when a battle starts very important, and you can't just go throwing them out there all willy-nilly and wasting them. But you also want a decent balance so that if you encounter these totems as an enemy, you can make a decision to take them out or not, disabling the witch doctors powers, while not having to sacrifice too much of your own time/health/opportunity.

The witch doctor could also have temporary wards that he summons, which he could possibly have more than one of each. Things like healing wards, speed wards, aiming wards, armor wards, etc. Maybe something like stun/slow/negative accuracy wards for offense as well?

Maybe for the temporary barriers it could be something like a "wall of overgrowth" that sprouts up from the ground, or more kind of voodoo magic and it's a "barrier of shadow arms and hands" reaching out from the abyss, slowing and/or damaging anything trying to cross it.

I'm also thinking the witch doctor could have some fun damage over time or poison or disease abilities. Maybe he could heal diseases, if you don't have that already for other classes, or he could make enemies have a new disease that would have near immediate effects, so that way it would be worth using in battle. Maybe they fight for your side for a time, or they go insane and kill themselves. Maybe they attack their allies (your enemies) with a poison bite or attack, that will kill them over time, forcing their old allies to kill their old buddy before he infects more of them.

Maybe the witch doctor can curse enemies, or curse a ground beforehand, or have an active aoe curse with status effects for the enemies. Mass slow, confusion, make enemies throw all of their weapons 10 cells away, make it so if enemies that cross this barrier will heal anyone for X% that attacks them.

I don't know, just some fun ideas. Of course Torann you are more than welcome to use any of them. In fact, I would be ecstatic if they do make it into your mod! ;D

EDIT: Also, if the witch doctor could make enemies have a heart attack, I think that would be really fun. Imagine if a witch doctor raider makes one of your super healthy pawns have a heart attack in the middle of battle. Now you've got to get one of his battle buddies to haul him off immediately to the operating room, times-a-tickin'!

Or a witch doctor has made some enemies go (temporarily or permanently) blind! Now their accuracy is whatever it is for a pawn has that has no vision! Or maybe they go 90% blind? Or maybe the blind severity increases as the spell level does? Maybe it could be cast multiple times to stack? ;)

Blindness, deafness, jaw stops working so they have trouble eating, I'm thinking of all sorts of interesting voodoo hexes and curses and how witch doctors/voodoo priests had those little dolls that they could damage and it would hurt the person in real life. Also, hexes, forces people to turn into a pig or cow or something, again temporary or permanent!

To sum it up, when I think of a witch doctor or voodoo priest, I imagine this: Totems, wards, hexes, poisons and damage over times, odd afflictions and debuffs, area status effects, things from the "abyss", maybe even arms/tentacles/shadow limbs all appearing out of either the ground or some sort of temporary swirly portal thing that they "reach out from" if any of this makes sense.

Also, you could build the whole "theme" around voodoo, witch doctors, "occult priests", "dark arts/magics" that sort of stuff.

I will be so freakin' ecstatic if Torann even uses any of these!

Speaking of disarming pawns, what about a spell that makes pawns drop their weapon when cast? It could give an advantage in battle as they'd be left defenseless after the spell.

O Glorious ModMaker,

I enjoy a certain Rimworld stream, so I'm going to test this mod with the mods the streamer's using, per below:

HugsLib ; Expanded Prosthetics and Organ Engineering ; Basic Bridges ; Medical Tab ; B18 More Furniture ; Relations Tab ; Blueprints ; Change Dresser ; Hand me that brick ; EdB Prepare Carefully ; Rimsenal Storyteller ; Rimsenal Rimhair ; Area Unlocker ; More Faction Bases ; Medieval Times ; MJ MiniMap ; Hospitality ; Sunlamp power ; ResearchPal ; A dog said ; SS researchable stat upgrades ; Archipalago ; More Trade ships ; More trait slots ; Wall lights ; Animal Tab ; Razzle Dazzle! ; that garden mod whose name I'm forgetting ; that extra stones & minerals mod whose name I'm also forgetting

I may add in a few more for testing. Any requests, O Modmaker? And any particular features you'd like tested on this mod? ^.^

Quote from: Darkmark8910 on February 07, 2018, 10:22:00 AM
O Glorious ModMaker,

I enjoy a certain Rimworld stream, so I'm going to test this mod with the mods the streamer's using, per below:

HugsLib ; Expanded Prosthetics and Organ Engineering ; Basic Bridges ; Medical Tab ; B18 More Furniture ; Relations Tab ; Blueprints ; Change Dresser ; Hand me that brick ; EdB Prepare Carefully ; Rimsenal Storyteller ; Rimsenal Rimhair ; Area Unlocker ; More Faction Bases ; Medieval Times ; MJ MiniMap ; Hospitality ; Sunlamp power ; ResearchPal ; A dog said ; SS researchable stat upgrades ; Archipalago ; More Trade ships ; More trait slots ; Wall lights ; Animal Tab ; Razzle Dazzle! ; that garden mod whose name I'm forgetting ; that extra stones & minerals mod whose name I'm also forgetting

I may add in a few more for testing. Any requests, O Modmaker? And any particular features you'd like tested on this mod? ^.^

Nothing in particular I suppose.  I'm not 100% clear on what you're looking for in your test.  If it's immersion, the necromancer and summoner are the roughest and have the most 'social' impact on a colony.  The priest and ranger are the newest classes, and thus have had the least feedback on playstyle, power, etc.  If you're looking for bugs/conflicts, I don't see anything there that should cause an issue and I use most of those mods myself.  I'd be curious to know how 'SS researchable stat upgrades' affects this mod.  I don't have a built-in custom scenario yet, but if you're using EDB prepare carefully then I'd recommend a "magically gifted and/or physically adept" trait for 1 (crash landed) or 2 (tribe), if you want a faster start, select one of the advanced traits to start with (Lightning Mage for example).  Other than that, let me know how it goes!

Quote from: Torann on February 07, 2018, 02:51:32 PM
I'd be curious to know how 'SS researchable stat upgrades' affects this mod.

I was posting some stuff for the thread on Researchable Stat Upgrades, because when I was looking at it, there is some very interesting stuff. For example, one research makes your turrets shoot 4 instead of 3 bullets. He has made a custom class that can, "This class is made especially for editing things inside <verbs><li>. This includes weapon properties" this also works for comps as well. I have been thinking about customizing this mod a lot, you can have it change all sorts of interesting things as you progress through the game.

Hypothetically, could we ever have a mod similar to this, but made for TMagic? For example, we have an entire research trees/tabs dedicated to physical and magic users. As you progress throughout the magical tree, it could increase your magic users maximum mana, mana recovery rate, whatever. It could maybe even level up "universal" spells that any mages can learn. Same things for stamina for the physical classes. Maybe also things like +X% fire spell damage upgrades, fireball now casts two fireballs, eye of the storm now lasts 10% longer, etc.

Anyway, thoughts on the witch doctor/voodoo priests? If it's a no-go because of the stationary mechanics and such, I understand. Was just curious of other's and Torann's thoughts. :)

I think the totem concept has real potential.  I see the class as a more utility focused version of the summoner and I've already added it to my design manual as a class type.  Right now, that list has about 12-13 new classes that could potentially find their way into the mod.

That being said, I'm putting my focus on refining the classes that are in the game as well as introducing some new features.  The Bard is in the works now, but that will be the last class for a bit while other aspects of the mod get developed.

Sounds great! I'm excited in whatever direction you decide to take your mod. Do you plan on making any special items? Maybe there could be a very rare, or takes a long time to make, legendary weapons for the classes? Maybe 2-3 different types each? Example, maybe the ranger has a bow that will give very long range and great accuracy, but has a long cooldown and poor short range. A different bow could be fast firing, low damage, medium range, things like that. Maybe one bow allows the ranger to have flaming arrows, one to have ice arrows, one to have bleeding damage arrows, etc.

Hmm, most of that stuff is xml only anyway, might have to whip up something at least for myself, if there aren't any plans for special items in the future. I love how well this mod is bringing fantasy into RimWorld's sci-fi universe, but it feels like it is blending so well. ;D

Been enjoying the Priest so far.  I love that they're a pacifist to balance them.  Sadly I haven't had a major raid yet or disease issue to test their full potential (Worst was a centipede that only shot one of my colonists).  Funny because I'm on Randy Insane.  Really surprised my Priest managed to resurrect a pawn without any penalty to them at base skill.  Well, she herself is puking her guts out and will be useless for a while.  Oh the pawn I res'd does have res sickness, didn't notice it at first.  I guess that'd suck if she wasn't just sitting in jail, lol.

Still haven't gotten around to testing the physical classes though.  I'm curious about the Hunter.

Edit:  WELL, nothing tests a mage team like a massive manhunter pack of lynxs, lmao.  Sure makes them seem a LOT more balanced now (Not like my normal guns could handle these straight on either).  The difference between Necro and a lot of the other classes is a lot more clear now.

Ay, managed to win by funneling them through a door so only one could come at a time with shielded Pally tanking and people sniping behind him (And Priest healing).  Fun combo.  The explosion from the Summoner turret probably did the most damage though, that's a bit nuts.

Heal spells will cancel on a target if they're incapacitated but still cost mana/go on cooldown.  Beyond the probably known if you try to cast a spell that's out of range, it will eat your mana as well.  At least the latter is easy enough to avoid.

So far the Summoner seems by far the strongest mage class I've tested.  The CD and mana cost keeps a lot of the others in check, but he's just running around throwing explosions and turrets down, and has a bunch of ways to distract enemies as well.  Necro is actually one of the most balanced classes, I thought he was pretty OP but his first spell being kinda weak direct damage helps.  Still never got around to testing corpse explosion, but the mana cost of all his spells seems to keep him in check enough.

Summoner also seems to level really quick, I guess always tossing out his minions helps that.  He's out leveling the rest of my team quite a bit.  Early game OPness of most the mage classes has calmed down a bit but he's still really strong.  Ice mage seems a bit weak so far, but I did just turn my gifted pawn into one (First time I got all spells immediately from a book).  They have some useful buffs and debuffs though, so that makes sense.

Err, my Greater Minion just ate a human corpse's leg...  I was going to revive them x.X  At least I think he did.  For some reason he's just running back and forth to try to consume corpses in my corpse freezer even though there's stuff to mine and clean.  I thought the minor ones cleaned, hmm.

Just recruited the Fire Mage finally.  Fireclaw is really awesome, nice job with that.  Probably my favorite offensive spell now.  Haven't tested it in battle but I like the rng to it.  Do mage bolt type spells use the shooting skill?  Not sure how their accuracy works with the spells that can miss.

Quote from: Harry_Dicks on February 07, 2018, 09:22:51 PM
Sounds great! I'm excited in whatever direction you decide to take your mod. Do you plan on making any special items?

I only mention that class thing since it may be some time before new classes go into development, but I'm certainly not ignoring or discarding class ideas.

For items, I probably will only have a very limited amount of items, particularly weapons or armor or robes that have their own graphics. 

I'm planning a few 'unique' items/item types that will have specific properties to A RimWorld of Magic.  An example would be an item that grants mana cost reduction to all spells used by the wearer.  Other flavor of items will create a magical effect when used, like a belt that allows the wearer to blink or cast a small heal.  For those types of items, they will fill an existing slot type so you'll have to choose between the magical item or maybe a tech superior with better stats.
Some artifacts may do both (magical effect + passives).

notfood gave permission to use "Infused" as a basis for enchantments so I'll be able to build on an already considerable mod.  Enchantments will come before items.

That sounds great. If I may offer one bit of info of something I found I didn't like about Infused - it's that items that were infused never had their value affected in any significant way (if they were even affected at all). I think an item's value should at least somewhat reflect the power of the infusion.

Would you plan more special items if you had an artist that could supply you with the textures? BTW I'm always down for more cool looking robes, hooded or not! ;) I also love the idea of "blink belts" and other fun stuff like that. I feel like the whole "belt" category is really underutilized by mods, and is a great slot to have unique things that you've described.

Also, maybe you are interested in shields, especially for the paladin. In the new LotR mod that is being made, there is a new test build for the Dwarves that has couple new shield types built in. Just something I thought you might be interested in looking at :)

I really like your last updates. The mod is really fleshed out now.

One thing I still feel weird with is how to equip my mages pawns.
Usually I give them a ranged weapon because I readed shield belt dont work with spells (didnt tested though) and the maximum amount of armor to prevent any permanent dmg.
But that would be nice if we had some special gear for mages (or normal gear made out of a special stuff like maybe cloth enchanted by a mage's spell) like robes and hats that we would value over helmets and armor vests because of buffs like reduced spell cost.
Maybe we could also have something equipped as weapon like staffs or wands with other buffs so we value it higher than an actual weapon for mages. Like ability to carry more mana. Guns for mages is a bit redundant, for example I give my necro a sniper rifle because she fights with her zambes usually at max range of the fog spell so that's what fits her the best. But it doesn't make sense a necromancer needs to use a sniper rifle. Mods like sidearms (sorry for butchering the title) can also be nice to switch to a personal defense weapon in case the mage is out of mana. In this case, the mana pool buff would not carry on and the mage would be down to 100% out of 150% if he re-equips it afterwards.
I think stuff like that can be worth looking into because we have so much different classes already

I am using the ice and fire wands from the Filthy Orc Invasion mod (along with the heads on spikes!) and I think that goes well. I am also using the bow that shoots three arrows from the Forsaken mod. I'm thinking if Torann does do it, he can make all kinds of awesome weapons with interesting effects. Maybe a wand that makes enemies get entangled with roots, a bow that shoots ice arrows, a staff with ranged attack that makes enemies bleed the more they move. The sky is the limit! ;D

Hmm, i think most of us agree that mage's are pretty overpowered.
And HerrColonel mention about mage weapons
(too bad an old magic mod don't got an active link to the mod anymore) why not made all mage classes violent.
Like at most RPG games all mages are paper class, much attack power with their spell but can't directly any foe.

Ok, but then mages can't equip weapons to enhance their magic.
I think low DPS mellee weapon with increased dodge chances and boni to increase the max. mana pool

Quote from: Canute on February 09, 2018, 03:52:58 AM
(too bad an old magic mod don't got an active link to the mod anymore) why not made all mage classes violent.

Unifica Magic? A real shame that he got so far, too. I actually posted on his thread on February 2nd and he responded. Anyone interested, check out page out the work this guy did in this thread. Such a shame, in my opinion, to see all of that work just sitting their idle, unable to be enjoyed by anyone not still on A17.

https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=31826.msg395839#msg395839

No i mean
[A16] Alchemy and Black Magic
https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=30439.0
The mod got nice robes and hats, together with staff/wands.

Quote from: Canute on February 09, 2018, 06:20:09 AM
No i mean
[A16] Alchemy and Black Magic
https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=30439.0
The mod got nice robes and hats, together with staff/wands.

I am actually looking for robes, hates, staffs, and wand textures. However I browsed through all of the textures in that mod and there were none for those, just one wand. Is there another mod you are thinking of? I would love to be able to grab some stuff like that, even from old mods. I will make them into a new mod for myself, if needed. I'm just a terrible artist, so I have to use other's art for this stuff :-/

New bugs :
Visitors using a buff spell give the "boop" sound, which is confusing.
You get a "gained a deeper understanding" message when a visitor gains a level.
Friendly-summoned minions will haul for you.

Update notes for v1.8.3:

• Minions and Elementals should no longer generate errors from frostbite or hypothermia.
  
  
• Elemental Rift event will now end correctly following a reload.
  
  
• The Necromancer skill "Cheating Death" will also add a reduction in undead upkeep cost.  Undead should no longer attempt tasks they cannot perform.
  Feeling singled out, Necromancers have begun returning the social distaste expressed by paladins, priests, and druids.
  
  
• Mod Settings have been added to allow players to adjust the rarity of magic traits.
  
  
• The Arcane Fold, in response to increased threats against their caravans and colonies, has increased the training and equipment of their guards.
  
  
• The Magic pane displays points required to learn class spells;  spells that haven't been learned yet will no longer give the option to upgrade a related skill.
  
  
• The mana cost for Summoner skills has increased slightly. Each minion now requires an upkeep cost that reduces the amount of mana a summoner gains each turn by 20%.  Unlike undead, minion upkeep costs are not shared, and each summoner may only have 4 minions at any given time.  Summoning additional minions over this amount will dismiss the oldest minion.  The duration of a summoned minion has doubled and its cooldown has been drastically reduced.

Watching the development of this mod is fantastic. Everything just keeps getting so much better.

Thanks Torann my necro definitely enjoy the cheating death buff.

I agree with you Harry Dicks. I just relaunched my game to add the insulating walls mod, and noticed the magical update! awesome!

Torann at this rate, I don't know how long you plan on going this strong with your mod and it's updates. But hypothetically if you keep it up, you really will have one of the best mods for RimWorld. I don't know if you plan on it, but if you were to keep developing this all the way to 1.0, I can't even begin to imagine how much it will have been expanded and polished.

Quote from: Torann on February 10, 2018, 08:41:04 PM
Update notes for v1.8.3:

• Minions and Elementals should no longer generate errors from frostbite or hypothermia.
  
  
• Elemental Rift event will now end correctly following a reload.
  
  
• The Necromancer skill "Cheating Death" will also add a reduction in undead upkeep cost.  Undead should no longer attempt tasks they cannot perform.
  Feeling singled out, Necromancers have begun returning the social distaste expressed by paladins, priests, and druids.
  
  
• Mod Settings have been added to allow players to adjust the rarity of magic traits.
  
  
• The Arcane Fold, in response to increased threats against their caravans and colonies, has increased the training and equipment of their guards.
  
  
• The Magic pane displays points required to learn class spells;  spells that haven't been learned yet will no longer give the option to upgrade a related skill.
  
  
• The mana cost for Summoner skills has increased slightly. Each minion now requires an upkeep cost that reduces the amount of mana a summoner gains each turn by 20%.  Unlike undead, minion upkeep costs are not shared, and each summoner may only have 4 minions at any given time.  Summoning additional minions over this amount will dismiss the oldest minion.  The duration of a summoned minion has doubled and its cooldown has been drastically reduced.

Oh snap, crazy update, can't wait to test it out when I have more free time.  If you can change the mage appearance to 100%, this is going to be nuts, lol.  Sounds like it's almost time to try a permadeath run with this mod.  That or just put the magic user appearance to max for the improved chaos.