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If you don't want to run a bloody slaughterhouse full of bodies for fine meal. Little more realistic to the game...
Two different ways to get a meat substitute (tofu cooking, tempeh fermenting).
Mod summary:
New crop Soya plant (ground or hydroponic)
New item Soybeans
New item Soymilk (tofu ingredient)
New item Tofu (cooking)
New item Tempeh (in fermenting barrel)
Edited building Fermenting Barrel (recipes:beer/tempeh, texture by content)
Download 0.4.2 (https://uloz.to/!MPijQ1CZtaeb/vegan-b18-0-4-2-rar) b18.1722
*Soymilk is back. Vanilla Fermenting Barrel reworked using dll from Universal Fermenter mod -> tempeh added.
Your feedback is very welcomed. Thanks.
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BTW i used two icons from Synthmeat (https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=25056.msg256366#msg256366) mod, and Universal Fermenter (https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=33398.0) code. Thanks!
Rimworld does not allow vegans, vegans get eaten by cannibals or get sacrificed in the eternal war for the survival of the world
Quote from: SNKcell on December 13, 2017, 07:51:40 PM
Rimworld does not allow vegans, vegans get eaten by cannibals or get sacrificed in the eternal war for the survival of the world
Good thing the game is easy to mod.
Bad thing there are creatures of darkness that make mods like this.
Great mod, but there should be a chance for men to get soy related side effects caused by the drop in testosterone level like mood swings or depressions!
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4270274/
The following idea might require some advanced modding but it's probably possible to introduce a vegan trait to pawns so they will suffer a mood penalty if they eat normal meat and maybe a mood buff if they eat tofu. Kind of like the cannibal which could be used for reference while creating this feature.
I don't see the point a vegan trait should only give a mood bonus for tofu.
The mood bonus should appear for all meals with no meat (+3)
And a malus if they ate meat (-5).
There are some other mods which offer non-meat meatsubstitutes.
QuoteGreat mod, but there should be a chance for men to get soy related side effects caused by the drop in testosterone level like mood swings or depressions!
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4270274/
And the meat causes cancer, for example ... No flamewar ... Of course, it must be simplified, it's a game. The goal is to create more complex options, but not at the expense of gameplay.
QuoteThe following idea might require some advanced modding but it's probably possible to introduce a vegan trait to pawns so they will suffer a mood penalty if they eat normal meat and maybe a mood buff if they eat tofu. Kind of like the cannibal which could be used for reference while creating this feature.
I know it's hardcore. So now I'm just doing xml. I think detecting meat in the meal will be a problem. When I stack meals with different ingredients, the ingredients mix. With this i need help, but it isnt priority now.
QuoteI don't see the point a vegan trait should only give a mood bonus for tofu.
The mood bonus should appear for all meals with no meat (+3)
And a malus if they ate meat (-5).
There are some other mods which offer non-meat meatsubstitutes.
My basic idea is: traits VEGAN,VEGETARIAN,CARNIST with bonus or malus if ate meal with meat, with milk, without meat, etc... But as I wrote, it would be a problem.
Now I'm working on adding soy milk and I have other ideas in my head. Not vegan too. I also try to change the original code as little as possible (Now I have discovered the power of patches;) But I do not just want to add a lot of unnecessary.
Other related mods links, please? Thanks.
Just curious,
you know vegetable garden project allready got beans,soymilk,tofu ?
Together with vetable egg 's,Mushrooms and lentils ?
Quote from: Canute on December 14, 2017, 12:35:20 PM
Just curious,
you know vegetable garden project allready got beans,soymilk,tofu ?
Together with vetable egg 's,Mushrooms and lentils ?
I know Vegetable garden, but i want to do something a little different. I do not want to add a ton of everything, i just add the basic features that I miss. The original game does not contain a million different meals and crops and thats good. But for inspiration I'll check out. ;)
Yep following this because Vege-garden is a bit overwhelming and I like the idea of soy being in the game.
Can you grow soy in hydroponic basins?
I've finished the tofu production chain. And some improvements, etc.
Check if everything works and is balanced. Thank you!
Quote from: Vlad0mi3r on December 14, 2017, 07:15:52 PM
Can you grow soy in hydroponic basins?
Yes.
Hello, I need your ideas.
I have a soymilk and have a tofu. If soy milk is comparable to milk, and tofu comparable to meat ... what is the reason to make tofu from soymilk? ... when milk is comparable to meat (as ingredient)?
I've been thinking for a long time and finally using the solution I've used:
| resource | value | nutri | weight | ingredients | stack | nutri/stack | thought |
| milk | 3.1 | 0.05 | 0.05 | - | 75 | 3.75 | yum |
| soymilk | 1.8 | 0.05 | 0.05 | 1x soybean | 75 | 3.75 | yum |
| meat | 2 | 0.05 | 0.03 | - | 75 | 3.75 | raw |
| tofu | 10 | 0.25 | 0.15 | 5x soymilk | 75 | 18.75 | raw |
| egg (nonfert.) | 7 | 0.25 | 0.15 | - | 75 | 18.75 | raw |
| egg (fert.) | 11-40 | 0.25 | 0.15 | - | 75 | 18.75 | raw |
(milk, meat and eggs i left unchanged)
What do you think about it? Do you have a better idea? :D
EDIT: outdated
You can make tempeh in fermenting barrel now, not only beer. ::)
Yes Tofu is made from soy milk but you have the double handling process bean to milk to tofu.
I would suggest tofu be made from 5 soybean and cut the double handle.
Quote from: Vlad0mi3r on March 29, 2018, 10:21:28 PM
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Thanks, i agree, but i changed it already. Because vanilla milk has some parameters, meat too. And milk is more expensive than meat, although nutrition is the same. Making tofu (substitute meat) from soymilk (substitute milk) is problem without game unbalance and nonsense. So i want soymilk, but no tofu made of milk.
Now it is more intuitive:
Soybeans balanced to others plants(?) but only 0.03nut (bad as cooking ingredient)
Potato 0.05nut 1.1$
Soybeans 0.03nut 1.1$
Meat 0.05nut 2$
Tofu 0.05nut 2$ <- 1soybeans (10->10 cooking)
Tempeh 0.05nut 2$ <- 1soybeans (75->75 fermenting)
Milk 0.05nut 3.1$
Soymilk 0.05nut 3.1$ <- 3.3soybeans (10->3 cooking)
Ok, i added the soymilk. At the moment it is comparable to milk, a bit unnecessary (yet) and unprofitable (tofu is better)... but tasty raw! :)
Currently the soymilk is just a good way to destroy nutri and value.
10 soybean -> 10 Tofu = 0.5 nutri 20$
10 Tempeh = 0.5 nutri 20$
3.3 Soymilk = 0.15 nutri 9.3$
I am not a soya/tofu expert, does there exist some drink you could create out of soymilk. Maybe with some addition of vanilia fruits.
So it turn these unprofitable soymilk with some extra progres into some more useful thing ?
Quote from: Canute on March 30, 2018, 04:56:36 AM
Currently the soymilk is just a good way to destroy nutri and value.
...
That's why I removed it before. Now it is useless, it has the same parameters as milk, but it is not profitable. I think soymilk should not be more profitable than milk... maybe is too disadvantageous now, but it is temporarily. Now has not use, but i plan icecream from both milks.
Please help me, how balance it and don't ruin "milk business"? I do not have much experience. :)
What do you think about this.
Tempeh is made out of soybean's like i read.
But Tofu is made out of soymilk, do that production chain beam -> milk -> tofu.
But since it need more production, you can some extra output for tofu.
Currently you geting 10 tofu out of 10 soybean, just get 12 tofu out of 3 soymilk out of 10 soybean.
I don't think many people are going for Tempeh since it need the fermention barrel and time.
And i would suggest a big barrel (2x2) with a 750 capacity for mass production.
Maybe powered too to reduce the fermention time.
Quote from: Canute on March 30, 2018, 09:22:19 AM
What do you think about this.
Tempeh is made out of soybean's like i read.
But Tofu is made out of soymilk, do that production chain beam -> milk -> tofu.
But since it need more production, you can some extra output for tofu.
Currently you geting 10 tofu out of 10 soybean, just get 12 tofu out of 3 soymilk out of 10 soybean.
I don't think many people are going for Tempeh since it need the fermention barrel and time.
And i would suggest a big barrel (2x2) with a 750 capacity for mass production.
Maybe powered too to reduce the fermention time.
Fermention time = 2 days, output 75x tempeh. Tofu is cooked faster, but time of fermentation is time the cook saves for cooking meals.
I think, barrel capacity and speed is ok and cost is minimal, it's an investment. Fermentation isn't better as cooking tofu, it is only different way, both have pluses and minuses.
Your tofu chain suggestion - i'll think about it. Thanks. Maybe like this, in next version. Mmm?:
soy -> milk -> tofu
pcs x$ 10x1.1 -> 5x3.1 -> 10x2
$ 11 -> 15.5 -> 20
pcs x nut 10x0.025 -> 5x0.05 -> 10x0.05
nut 0.25 -> 0.25 -> 0.5
But now i need reduct cooking time by half...
Thanks.
QuoteBut now i need reduct cooking time by half...
Like you mention with the Tempeh, you exchange the extra nutri gain with the cooking time.
If the player want more free time for the cook, he should use Tempeh.
At Vegetable garden there is a similar chain.
Corn -> cornmeal -> polenta
Which give a big nutri gain compared to raw resources.
New version, soy milk is back and better.
This is great, hope to see it updated for 1.0! :D
As a huge tofu soya lover, I really wish this is updated to 1.0
You know Vegetable Garden got tofu too.
Similar mechanic beside the fermenting barrel.
Quote from: Pirate333 on December 14, 2017, 10:05:15 AM
Great mod, but there should be a chance for men to get soy related side effects caused by the drop in testosterone level like mood swings or depressions!
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4270274/
Having dairy in your diet actually increases oestrogen levels much more than anything in a plant based diet. That's why most vegans have higher testosterone than meat eaters while still having a much lower cancer risk.
What you claim here is a wide spread myth that is fortunately not true.
https://nutritionfacts.org/2013/02/12/less-cancer-in-vegan-men-despite-more-testosterone/