I don't know how many people go between here and reddit, I don't always so I figured I'll just post this in here. Over all I think Tynan should make this into a blog post lol. Everything could be found here: https://www.reddit.com/r/RimWorld/comments/7qh746/next_patch_will_be_10_confirmed_by_tynan/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/RimWorld/comments/7qh746/next_patch_will_be_10_confirmed_by_tynan/)
QuoteThere's a lot to say about this. The below will ramble a bit, for which I apologize. My purpose below is just to share a piece of my point of view. In this post I'll explain why many of the things you see requested won't be worked on. I don't expect everyone to agree with everything I write, but I hope you at least understand where I'm coming from.
When a suggestion comes up a lot from different sources, I take it really seriously. However these days, the things that people tend to mention in the context of "it has to be in the game or it's not finished" tend to be specific to the player who is suggesting them.
Just look at the responses to this post, for example. There is zero overlap between suggestions. /u/NotScrollsApparently has a list of UI changes that was linked. /u/somuchdirt74 posted a system of on-map icons to express health effects (an idea we explored years ago and doesn't work and which I've actually never seen suggested before). /u/kezza596 says the game "MUST" have a 64-bit implementation. Others are demanding Z-levels. And that's just a handful of people. Now extend that to hundreds of thousands of people.
My job is to serve RimWorld players as a whole. That includes super hardcore players with 200 mods, who know every detail of the UI and want more ultra-power user options to make everything more automated, faster, fewer clicks, more fluent. It also includes the 76-year old grandmas and 10-year-old kids who email me to thank me for making a game they can actually play. It includes the people who talk on forums, and the great silent majority who never say anything online at all.
I have to make changes that help a lot of those people without hurting any of them. Many power user requests, for example, would hurt new players by adding complexity that new players need to learn to avoid. Nobody wants to open a game and see 100 buttons on every menu, even if each one has a power user purpose. It's intimidating.
This significantly limits how hard I push for power user utilities.
The feedback state of the game has actually been mostly the same for years: A large faction of players saying they're happy with it as is being final, and others who each have some specific thing that they believe must go in before it can be finished. And those specific things are usually very different from person to person. Over the years we've implemented many of those specific things, but it doesn't really matter; even if we make the game fun for 80 hours instead of 60, players still reach the same point where they feel something is missing. It's an inherent problem with a play-forever style of game like this.
Games with definitive endings and no replay expectation (e.g. Portal) don't have this issue. But we are on an endless treadmill because the game by its very nature always gets boring for every player. (RW's average playtime on SteamSpy is 92 hours, by the way, which is exceptionally high).
So there's other issues in play here too. One is that many of the ideas that get demanded really aren't actionable. Often they are logically impossible, or incomplete, or push on one side of a tradeoff without accounting for the other side.
I hate to single anyone out here, but I need examples. /u/NotScrollsApparently 's linked post for example is mixed in this respect:
"some stuff (like planting options) are in a practically randomly sorted lists in which it's hard to find a particular item."
This is a good thought IMO and we've taken steps to solve it for the next version already (fewer redundant tree options). Sorting better would be nice too. He picked out this one well.
(That said, if the order of plants in the plant selection menu is a significant part of the "must be changed or the game isn't finished" list of features, I'd say we're doing pretty well. It's a real thing, and a good idea, but it's also a tiny thing. This sort of thing gets polished on finished games all the time(e.g. see how much polish a game like StarCraft 2 had after release. It doesn't mean the game wasn't finished on release.)
"Zone manipulation is all over the place - some things can be done in restrict-manage area, some zones have multiple buttons while others have dropdown lists when you click them. Some have one mode (on or off), others have different options (restrict, ignore, decostruct for roofs). These should be standardized to a single location and to the same controls scheme."
There's a good core idea here, which is to condense the UI and establish patterns which repeat themselves. Unfortunately it doesn't actually cleanly map onto what's being controlled here.
Some of these controls create zones, which can be selected, created infinitely, must be contiguous, etc. E.g. Growing zones, stockpiles zones.
Some of these controls manage areas, which cannot be selected, can be painted and removed everywhere non-contiguously, and so on. E.g. Allowed area, home area
Some areas need to have more than on/off! Like roofs. The player must be able to distinguish between "build a roof here if there isn't one", "ignore whether there are roofs here", and "remove any roof here if there is one". We could put the under a sub-menu, but that doesn't seem like an improvement to me. It just adds clicks; there's enough room to show all the options without requiring more clicks, so we do.
So anyway, these different things are conceptually grouped as zones/areas but they fundamentally serve different purposes so they can't have exactly the same interface. So from my analysis right now, we can never fulfill this suggestion.
Sidebar: This is a common pattern: The suggestion expresses a vague desire for a part of the UI to be easier to use/understand, without a specific idea of how that could be so. Not all UI suggestions are like this, but some are (especially the high-level "fix the UI" suggestions). If I could request one thing of suggesters it is this: Be very, very specific about what exactly the new design should be that you want to see. Stating problems can be useful, but stating problems with solutions together advances the conversation much more!
"Work and Restrict are not clear enough and should probably be merged somehow"
But... how? In fact these were the same menu long ago; but there's not nearly enough space for all the information so they were specifically separated. It's an artificial separation, which is what /u/NotScrollsApparently noticed here, but it's also a necessary and IMO optimal tradeoff.
That's the pattern for a lot of suggestions that we won't follow: Players seeing a tradeoff and suggesting that it be unbalanced to gain one benefit without realizing that it would create a cost on the other end that's even worse. Game design, in my opinion, is often about understanding and optimizing these tradeoffs. I've not done it perfectly... but I've really tried!
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QuoteI have a lot more intuitions about this as well. Suggestions analysis is a big part of what I do every day. But this post has to wrap up somewhere. Suffice to say there's a lot more thoughts that go into evaluating ideas than I've had space to write here; this isn't intended to be a complete system of thought, and I know it's not a very well-expressed one either.
There are still endless actionable suggestions out there. Many are pretty darn cool! And that's leaving aside all the ideas that come from inside Ludeon, including the brain of yours truly.
This game can expand endlessly. That's it's nature. It's not a closed story like Portal 2. It's an open system endlessly moddable, expandable. You can always play longer, more colonists, more wealth, more colonies, more mods, again and again and again. There's always more to want.
So faced with an endless treadmill of requests, I must draw the line somewhere. But where?
Five years. I figure five years is a decent enough place. Five years are enough for $30. Five years are enough to call a game finished.
(Of course, it's great to suggest new things beyond that, but to demand a developer work more than five years on one game for one sale is not, in my opinion, reasonable. In truth I think any dev who does two years has earned his keep; five years is getting into ridiculous territory. Not that I'm complaining of course; I've always liked working on RimWorld.)
It won't be perfect, of course. Nothing ever is. And I won't even be finished with it. But - it'll be finished.
Next version will be 1.0, by the way. We are furiously refining the hell out of this thing.
What are we doing? The space of possible improvements in RW is so vast that so far we've been doing almost entirely stuff completely separate from every suggestion here!
I've been working with ison to heavily redesign the interface, systems and balance for caravans, since it was pretty broken and obscure.
/u/ZorbaTHut recently implemented a very nice watermill power generator and underwater power cables, so rivers are actually meaningfully playable.
He also made a huge optimization to mod loading; one major mod went from 90 seconds to 40 seconds loading time (!)
He made cooks refuel stoves before cooking if needed instead of waiting for haulers to do it.
We condensed the leather types to a far smaller grouping to mitigate the "10 of every leather type" problem. I also rebalanced the leathers so they're actually meaningfully different in recognizable, coherent ways.
I redesigned the economy for trading animals with traders so traders accept and sell types and amounts of animals that make sense.
I redesigned and rebalanced some animals. Wild boar and pig specifically each have a balanced niche in comparison to the other (boar is a better fighter, pig is better at domestic productivity).
I reworked the doctor AI so they'll prioritize tending people differently and not go to get food while someone's bleeding to death.
I switched the blight to be bright orange so it's easy to see.
That's just some random stuff off the top of my head. We made hundreds of other changes wrought by watching dozens of hours of play videos and reading thousand of suggestions. There are so many things to refine in a game like this; it's almost unbelievable! Still working on it.
Oh yeah, the most critical change of them all: Sheriff backstory is no longer ridiculously awful.
I'm sorry to see it coming to an end; I just got here and the world seems full of possibility. But who can blame him?
Quote from: Injured Muffalo on January 16, 2018, 06:33:30 AM
I'm sorry to see it coming to an end; I just got here and the world seems full of possibility. But who can blame him?
You better shall not think about the why and how 1.0 is coming. By now nobody knows how it's gonna look like. AFAIK there is no real informations about that.
But whatever will happen, we must keep in mind that after 1.0 maybe a 1.1 can exist. Sometimes a 2.0 can be. By Tynans detailed explanations about features I am pretty sure he will find a way, making everybody happy someway.
Anyway I liked Street fighter 2 much more than Street fighter 1. Or Diablo 2, KKND 2, Donkey Kong 2, Drunken Master 2, ... but I think thats not related to this topic.
For anyone concerned about development being over:
QuoteIt won't be perfect, of course. Nothing ever is. And I won't even be finished with it. But - it'll be finished.
1.0 will be what he considers a finished product, but that doesn't mean he'll be finished with it. Much better than the pit some early-access games fall into (i.e Rust) where it's just several years of alpha/beta states with no full release in sight.
I think way too many people are getting upset about the 1.0 thing. But honestly, could you really blame them? Ever since this whole early access shenanigans started getting really popular so many years ago, a lot of people have been burned by a LOT of different developers very bad. They might have donated $200+ or something because of how much they believed in a dev's vision for a game, maybe even been one of the founding backers. And then slowly, sometimes over the course of a few years, they watch this ultimate dream game fantasy they had in their head get slowly twisted and contrived into something they never imagined nor wanted. And that's if the dev even remains active and doesn't abandon a project half way or 3/4 done with it. Or sometimes a game's development might have seemed like it was coming along just fine and there were no issues, but the game might only be half way done, and the publisher starts breathing down the neck of the developer and they have to slap a 1.0 on the game when it definitely wasn't ready.
You guys need to have more faith in Tynan though. He doesn't have to answer to anyone but himself and the players. There is no corporate bullshit going on behind the scenes. I also believe, that deep down, most people would agree that this game IS essentially finished. As in, it is feature complete, with a good amount of content, and everything works. Just because it doesnt have XYZ feature or content might be a little lacking in some parts (one level of turret Tynan?! ONE?! Give us a light and heavy or something, dammit! Bring back the old double barreled texture for the better one!) Let's also remember that we are so lucky that Ludeon helps mod developers by making things easier for them. This is such a great benefit for everyone, as we are blessed with hundreds of great mods to choose from giving us literally hundreds of extra hours of content.
Look at what the man said, he has to make sure the game is okay for everyone. He cannot let power users dictate the game, just as he cannot let casual users either. The game is pretty much complete, and we know it. He has been working on it for what now, more than 1722 days? I think it is acceptable for him to say "this is finished, and can stand on it's own two feet. That doesn't mean I will not continue to work on it in the future." I'm pretty sure that anyone who had worked on a project for this hard for so long would be about ready to slap the golden 1.0 on it as well!
I've also got more faith in Tynan & comapny than I would ever have for just about any developer that has to answer to a publisher. He has done things right, to where he can make the kind of game that he knows will be fucking awesome and he won't have to make any major compromises because of some corporate BS. I think we can give the man some faith and not get our panties into a bunch over all of this. In my opinion, looking at RimWorld's development cycle and everything of how it came along, this is actually a dream scenario for any backer of early access projects. You don't want a game you have already purchased to get stuck in development hell, and you also don't want it rushed out broken or incomplete. You are going to want it done just the way RimWorld was. Tynan has lead everyone this far, I'm sure that he won't let everyone down now.
A 1.0 version doesn't mean that it would be the end. It would be refinements, of course, but I'm pretty sure that it would be expansions/DLCs too.
Quote from: grrizo on January 16, 2018, 12:32:45 PM
A 1.0 version doesn't mean that it would be the end. It would be refinements, of course, but I'm pretty sure that it would be expansions/DLCs too.
Of course, but a lot of people don't seem to think that. They believe also that all of "their" content ideas should be in the game, before going to 1.0, or it will be incomplete.
EDIT: Something I'm most excited about, "He also made a huge optimization to mod loading; one major mod went from 90 seconds to 40 seconds loading time (!)" OMFG that will help so much. 300ish mods is about 10 minutes loading. I've trimmed down to 205 now, but anything will help.
Quote from: Harry_Dicks on January 16, 2018, 02:06:00 PM
Quote from: grrizo on January 16, 2018, 12:32:45 PM
A 1.0 version doesn't mean that it would be the end. It would be refinements, of course, but I'm pretty sure that it would be expansions/DLCs too.
Of course, but a lot of people don't seem to think that. They believe also that all of "their" content ideas should be in the game, before going to 1.0, or it will be incomplete.
EDIT: Something I'm most excited about, "He also made a huge optimization to mod loading; one major mod went from 90 seconds to 40 seconds loading time (!)" OMFG that will help so much. 300ish mods is about 10 minutes loading. I've trimmed down to 205 now, but anything will help.
Apparently that was Combat Extended. Someone said they hoped it was that one and Tynan said "bingo"
Quote from: Harry_Dicks on January 16, 2018, 02:06:00 PM
Of course, but a lot of people don't seem to think that. They believe also that all of "their" content ideas should be in the game, before going to 1.0, or it will be incomplete.
EDIT: Something I'm most excited about, "He also made a huge optimization to mod loading; one major mod went from 90 seconds to 40 seconds loading time (!)" OMFG that will help so much. 300ish mods is about 10 minutes loading. I've trimmed down to 205 now, but anything will help.
Exactly. I think that if Tynan wants to expand the game further after 1.0, he will be in touch with the community as he always did. That formula worked for him very well.
Personally, I feel this game is pretty well fleshed out, and frankly I'm glad they aren't going to feature creep and risk development hell.
We also just went into beta, which I assume means shifting focus to cleaning up and optimizing, so I'm not really surprised the game is considered feature complete.
I am curious what Ludeon will work on next, however.
Other than a few standout annoyances (such as the confusing item critera options, for example: "allow non-deadmans"), I'd consider the game pretty much finished already.
Sure, there's loads more stuff I'd like to see in the game, like vehicles/mounts or generally more of everything, but the game is still a very much complete package without it.
I do hope Tynan will consider making more Rimworld stuff as DLC after 1.0 tho. I can see myself returning to this game many more times in the future.
As one of those guys who are here since kickstarter, I have to say I am very glad to see the game going 1.0. If you compare the current status of the game against the first Alpha you see the huge way Rimworld has come. It's almost perfect now and alllows so many playstiles. Rimwold is one of my most favorite games, and I'm glad it isn't trapped in the forever-in-development loop. It deserves to be a finished product.
I think the core game itself should be playable for every player type. For the ones who want a specific aspect of the game to be changed or want a different game experience, there is still the Mod workshop that can serve all the power users needs. ;)
Also keep in mind, the constant never ending moving target of alpha releases for modders, once we are at 1.0 and very little changes in the internal APIs etc modding will explode I reckon, Its already mental how much modding happens, I imagine it to get more mental.
Quote from: skullywag on January 17, 2018, 08:44:29 AM
Also keep in mind, the constant never ending moving target of alpha releases for modders, once we are at 1.0 and very little changes in the internal APIs etc modding will explode I reckon, Its already mental how much modding happens, I imagine it to get more mental.
Agreed. More than a few big mod projects have faltered in the face of continual updates. Hoping some off those will get picked back up when 1.0 is released! Not to mention the possibility of some cool new ones.
To me coming out from beta to 1.0 is just the beginning of the game.
Quote from: Nameless on January 17, 2018, 09:46:29 AM
To me coming out from beta to 1.0 is just the beginning of the game.
This right here! Hooray for 1.0! ;D ;D ;D
Dear Tynan,
I would totally buy Rimworld DLC and expansion packs.
Sincerely,
A huge fan
Quote from: Harry_Dicks on January 16, 2018, 12:17:31 PM
I think way too many people are getting upset about the 1.0 thing. But honestly, could you really blame them? Ever since this whole early access shenanigans started getting really popular so many years ago, a lot of people have been burned by a LOT of different developers very bad. They might have donated $200+ or something because of how much they believed in a dev's vision for a game, maybe even been one of the founding backers. And then slowly, sometimes over the course of a few years, they watch this ultimate dream game fantasy they had in their head get slowly twisted and contrived into something they never imagined nor wanted. And that's if the dev even remains active and doesn't abandon a project half way or 3/4 done with it. Or sometimes a game's development might have seemed like it was coming along just fine and there were no issues, but the game might only be half way done, and the publisher starts breathing down the neck of the developer and they have to slap a 1.0 on the game when it definitely wasn't ready.
You guys need to have more faith in Tynan though. He doesn't have to answer to anyone but himself and the players. There is no corporate bullshit going on behind the scenes. I also believe, that deep down, most people would agree that this game IS essentially finished. As in, it is feature complete, with a good amount of content, and everything works. Just because it doesnt have XYZ feature or content might be a little lacking in some parts (one level of turret Tynan?! ONE?! Give us a light and heavy or something, dammit! Bring back the old double barreled texture for the better one!) Let's also remember that we are so lucky that Ludeon helps mod developers by making things easier for them. This is such a great benefit for everyone, as we are blessed with hundreds of great mods to choose from giving us literally hundreds of extra hours of content.
Look at what the man said, he has to make sure the game is okay for everyone. He cannot let power users dictate the game, just as he cannot let casual users either. The game is pretty much complete, and we know it. He has been working on it for what now, more than 1722 days? I think it is acceptable for him to say "this is finished, and can stand on it's own two feet. That doesn't mean I will not continue to work on it in the future." I'm pretty sure that anyone who had worked on a project for this hard for so long would be about ready to slap the golden 1.0 on it as well!
I've also got more faith in Tynan & comapny than I would ever have for just about any developer that has to answer to a publisher. He has done things right, to where he can make the kind of game that he knows will be fucking awesome and he won't have to make any major compromises because of some corporate BS. I think we can give the man some faith and not get our panties into a bunch over all of this. In my opinion, looking at RimWorld's development cycle and everything of how it came along, this is actually a dream scenario for any backer of early access projects. You don't want a game you have already purchased to get stuck in development hell, and you also don't want it rushed out broken or incomplete. You are going to want it done just the way RimWorld was. Tynan has lead everyone this far, I'm sure that he won't let everyone down now.
Ive been lurking here for years and following steam forums since Rimworld showed up on that platform and I have to say I created an account here just so I could support this post. Watching this game progress has been one of the greatest joys Ive had in gaming. Tynan and his vision for Rimworld is as pure as you can get something that you dont make for yourself and hide from everyone. Id like to thank him and the community for providing me with thousands of hours of gaming, reading and actually using my brain and imagination again. Ive learned life lessons from Rimworld, I think in Rimworld Mechanics.
1.0? At this point I dont need some kind of arbitrary number after the game. I really feel like Ive gotten it all here and everything that comes out from this point on is just a fantastic bonus.
"Some of these controls create zones, which can be selected, created infinitely, must be contiguous, etc. E.g. Growing zones, stockpiles zones."
I ask that the devs take a serious look at JTZoneButtons, it's simple and logical, and saves a lot of mouse travel. Won't you think of the old ladies playing this game! ;)
Other than that, hooray on the solid 1.0 milestone, IMO it's a good thing mentally to get past that point finally.
Quote from: Crow_T on January 17, 2018, 05:12:49 PM
"Some of these controls create zones, which can be selected, created infinitely, must be contiguous, etc. E.g. Growing zones, stockpiles zones."
I ask that the devs take a serious look at JTZoneButtons, it's simple and logical, and saves a lot of mouse travel. Won't you think of the old ladies playing this game! ;)
Oh my GOSH YES! That and Show Me Where are two HUGE QoL improvements I think would be perfect for Vanilla, along with Heat Map. JTZoneButtons allow you to expand/retract a zone without having to select it first, then architect, then grow zone/delete zone. Show Me Where shoes an overlay of fertility zones over the whole map. I remember thinking how
silly it was while trying to build a grow zone over fertile soil, and having to look at the bottom left of the screen to see fertility, AND THEN trying
remember that same square, because I then have to go back to architect, and grow zone again, because the architect screen covers the part that shows fertility %, so you can't even have them both open at the same time. And oh God, then don't forget the headache of having to select the growzone beforehand, so that you can then try to add 1 cell to it of fertile soil that you
hopefully have remembered which one it was!
"Good news everyone."
So glad to hear that the final spit and polish will be added and then released. RimWorld is just a fantastic game and I am sure the modding community will keep us all happy with those special things we like to have.
Man..... IMO..... Rimworld is one of the best games ever made!
Its been a BLAST to be part of "the making of" process
its been a BLAST watch this game "grow"
its been a BLAST waiting for new patches with new content to come out
This is Tynan´s baby, this is his (an his teams) project. we cant have ALL our wishes come true in terms of features (i always wanted something like smoke leaf in the game and got it :D )
And in the future, youll probably get any feature you wanted, in the form of a mod or something.
Excellent work, excellent game.
cant wait for that 1.0 polish update <3
For this game, 1.0 is where the game BEGINS.
Once we hit 1.0, modders aren't going to have to worry as much about huge, sweeping changes invalidating their work. Mods like Psychology or the Hardcore SK pack get wrecked by version changes.
With us already seeing things that complex, even with the version changes invalidating huge sections of code, what will happen without that? Vehicles? Entire conversion mods? Who knows?
Quote from: skullywag on January 17, 2018, 08:44:29 AM
Also keep in mind, the constant never ending moving target of alpha releases for modders, once we are at 1.0 and very little changes in the internal APIs etc modding will explode I reckon, Its already mental how much modding happens, I imagine it to get more mental.
That's one thing I'm looking forward to, I might get into modding this game myself.
Nothing against this being 1.0, or the project being slowly wound down if Tynan wants to - as he says 5 years is a long time for development - but what i am getting a little peeved at is why this announcement, and others, are always on Reddit? Apart from a regular user finding the post and kindly copying it into this forum what is Tynan's aversion to communicating news on his own forum (or https://ludeon.com/blog/)? Surely his own forum should be the first place to break news and request thoughts from the community, but it seems (or could be interpretted) that the Reddit community is more important. This is also not the first time. If this forum is seen as lesser importance by the developers then fine, it is probably better I just join and follow Reddit.
Quote from: corestandeven on January 20, 2018, 04:41:51 AM
Nothing against this being 1.0, or the project being slowly wound down if Tynan wants to - as he says 5 years is a long time for development - but what i am getting a little peeved at is why this announcement, and others, are always on Reddit?
I don't think the reddit comment really qualifies as an announcement. As Tynan stated himself in the first sentence - it's a ramble. My guess is that there wasn't much thought spent on PR / communication strategy, but that he saw the reddit thread speculating about 1.0 (based on an off-hand comment of his in another thread) and then read the (at that time) top-voted comment about "mixed feelings" and just felt the need to make his point of view heard.
And if you don't want to use reddit but not wanna miss anything important, try this: https://rimworlddevtracker.com/ (https://rimworlddevtracker.com/)
I personally think very little will change in terms of the overall product following a 1.0 release. Looking at the big picture, it'll stimulate newfound attention and press articles. That'll be great for the game as it'll bring in new customers - people who put off looking into it because of "Early Access" or have never heard of it. They'll be exposed to a refined product with a bustling modding community, which can only do good for RimWorld.
As for updates - be it from the dev team or the modding community - I bet RW will stay alive in the marketplace for the next few years at minimum.
Quote from: Dingo on January 20, 2018, 09:12:46 AM
As for updates - be it from the dev team or the modding community - I bet RW will stay alive in the marketplace for the next few years at minimum.
A few years minimum? A game like Rimworld will live at least a decade on the back of its mods. Such a great modding community it already has. I wouldn't even consider playing it without mods anymore.
And regarding next version being 1.0... good. It doesn't really matter as long as the final product remains as mod friendly as it has been.
.... rimworld has more than enough "features" to justify the 1.0 tag ....BUT it does NOT have enough content, which i hope tynan is gonna add with the 1.0 release.
before the fanboy-hellbrigade comes let me iterate.
i love rimworld, one of my most played games on steam and in some degrees i even think it actually has surpassed its spiritual father dwarf fortress in terms of feature, graphics, UI and overall possibilities thanks to modding.
the ladder is what was keeping rimworld successful over the years and kept me started playing. it is the same with mount & blade warband, also a sandbox game with a huge modding community which turned an "ok" game into a "masterpiece".
compare the amount of weapons or clothes in vanilla vs just like RT weapon pack + Rimsenal + Apparello. lategame content like glitterworld and EPOE .... we basically only have tribal enemies (people with bows, shivs and spears), pirates (people with varying degrees of guns) and TWO mechanoids. in terms of enemy variety and equipment not much. if rimworld would lose mod compatibility or many of the mods would not get updated anymore then the game would basically lose most of its content.
yes i know, tynan 1 guy vs hundreds of people ..... but he should think of maybe incorporating some mods (or mod elements) into the game IF the modders are ok with it. this way when the game gets updated a) the mods won't break and b) the game would get some more content.
on the other hand he should just sit down and create some more content (animals, weapons, clothes, etc.) on his own to incorporate them into the game.
... bottom line is that without mods i wouldn't even continued playing this game because it runs out of content quite soon.
just my 2 cents.
I bought this game 3 years ago. It was worth every penny of my $30 bucks back then & I feel like my initial investment has just grown over time, like a lil' baby alpaca :D
Like others have said there's always more content/game ending graphics etc you'd like to see as a player BUT I say let this man rest on his laurels and rake in some cash for awhile 8)
Quote from: Xerberus86 on January 22, 2018, 03:31:41 PM
.... rimworld has more than enough "features" to justify the 1.0 tag ....BUT it does NOT have enough content, which i hope tynan is gonna add with the 1.0 release.
before the fanboy-hellbrigade comes let me iterate.
i love rimworld, one of my most played games on steam and in some degrees i even think it actually has surpassed its spiritual father dwarf fortress in terms of feature, graphics, UI and overall possibilities thanks to modding.
the ladder is what was keeping rimworld successful over the years and kept me started playing. it is the same with mount & blade warband, also a sandbox game with a huge modding community which turned an "ok" game into a "masterpiece".
compare the amount of weapons or clothes in vanilla vs just like RT weapon pack + Rimsenal + Apparello. lategame content like glitterworld and EPOE .... we basically only have tribal enemies (people with bows, shivs and spears), pirates (people with varying degrees of guns) and TWO mechanoids. in terms of enemy variety and equipment not much. if rimworld would lose mod compatibility or many of the mods would not get updated anymore then the game would basically lose most of its content.
yes i know, tynan 1 guy vs hundreds of people ..... but he should think of maybe incorporating some mods (or mod elements) into the game IF the modders are ok with it. this way when the game gets updated a) the mods won't break and b) the game would get some more content.
on the other hand he should just sit down and create some more content (animals, weapons, clothes, etc.) on his own to incorporate them into the game.
... bottom line is that without mods i wouldn't even continued playing this game because it runs out of content quite soon.
just my 2 cents.
I don't know. There is an argument to not over populating the game with all the stuff those mods add. Honestly the mess they turn the menus into is the reason I don't use them. It's great that they can be mods for people who want that though.
Not to say there should be "no more content", I do agree there should be more, but I'd like to see some good curated content added rather than just mass adding all the stuff in some huge mods.
Sounds very ambitious, going from just hitting beta to 1.0 in one update.
I've had a lot of fun with Rimworld, and I'm really looking forward to seeing it evolve even further.