I am looking for a mod that includes some of the events that are even to grotesque for vanilla RimWorld, suicide especially. This would happen as an advanced mental break from chronic injury, isolation, depressive pawns, etc. I know that Psychology adds in a wrist-slitting break but I am thinking of more direct suicide rather than stress-induced self harm, like a gunshot to the head.
Some other events like rape could come as a result of psychopath pawns with mental breaks, raiders, alcohol/drug influence, etc. and would have long-lasting debuffs. I would even be interested in seeing things like bestiality and necrophilia and their effects on surrounding colonists, even so far as various forms of child abuse.
Are there any mods that do this and/or similarly macabre topics? There's RimjobWorld but that seems like more of a fetish thing than an actual mod.
i second this
Quote from: cosmic alpaca on November 04, 2018, 07:32:38 AM
i second this
Something I was just thinking about today was corpses giving more meat if they die while pregnant, or being able to store aborted fetuses. That's even a little too grim for my tastes, haha.
Quote from: 中村ジロ on November 01, 2018, 01:01:56 AM
I am looking for a mod that includes some of the events that are even to grotesque for vanilla RimWorld, suicide especially. This would happen as an advanced mental break from chronic injury, isolation, depressive pawns, etc. I know that Psychology adds in a wrist-slitting break but I am thinking of more direct suicide rather than stress-induced self harm, like a gunshot to the head.
Some other events like rape could come as a result of psychopath pawns with mental breaks, raiders, alcohol/drug influence, etc. and would have long-lasting debuffs. I would even be interested in seeing things like bestiality and necrophilia and their effects on surrounding colonists, even so far as various forms of child abuse.
Are there any mods that do this and/or similarly macabre topics? There's RimjobWorld but that seems like more of a fetish thing than an actual mod.
I've worked with rape victims, that trauma never goes away, it would have to be a permanent medical condition like Alzheimers or dementia that occasionally causes mental breaks, rape almost always causes PTSD if it is forcible(meaning they are conscious during the assault and it is directly a physical assault and is not manipulation or blackmail). meaning translated to rimworld the "hide in room" , "sad wander" , sometimes "Tantrum" mental breaks would occasionally happen, perhaps with (or without) psychology you could treat this to prevent it from happening(like you can with pyros in psychology) and instead they victom would just suffer the heavy mood debuff(-10 to -20ish, maybe depending on scales of violence, wimp trait, tough trait or similar factors) . suicide is a big concern and most victims need to be on suicide watch for weeks if they stay in the hospital or if relatives are supporting them. not many people realize the deep psychological wounds that are left in the wake of such assaults and how long if ever people recover from them.
Quote from: Anastasia on November 04, 2018, 09:02:34 PM
I've worked with rape victims, that trauma never goes away, it would have to be a permanent medical condition like Alzheimers or dementia that occasionally causes mental breaks, rape almost always causes PTSD if it is forcible(meaning they are conscious during the assault and it is directly a physical assault and is not manipulation or blackmail). meaning translated to rimworld the "hide in room" , "sad wander" , sometimes "Tantrum" mental breaks would occasionally happen, perhaps with (or without) psychology you could treat this to prevent it from happening(like you can with pyros in psychology) and instead they victom would just suffer the heavy mood debuff(-10 to -20ish, maybe depending on scales of violence, wimp trait, tough trait or similar factors) . suicide is a big concern and most victims need to be on suicide watch for weeks if they stay in the hospital or if relatives are supporting them. not many people realize the deep psychological wounds that are left in the wake of such assaults and how long if ever people recover from them.
Don't worry, I am not a softie poseur who sees the world through the lens of media. I'm well experienced with these kind of things and I know the harsh reality.
Quote from: 中村ジロ on November 04, 2018, 09:22:43 PM
Quote from: Anastasia on November 04, 2018, 09:02:34 PM
I've worked with rape victims, that trauma never goes away, it would have to be a permanent medical condition like Alzheimers or dementia that occasionally causes mental breaks, rape almost always causes PTSD if it is forcible(meaning they are conscious during the assault and it is directly a physical assault and is not manipulation or blackmail). meaning translated to rimworld the "hide in room" , "sad wander" , sometimes "Tantrum" mental breaks would occasionally happen, perhaps with (or without) psychology you could treat this to prevent it from happening(like you can with pyros in psychology) and instead they victom would just suffer the heavy mood debuff(-10 to -20ish, maybe depending on scales of violence, wimp trait, tough trait or similar factors) . suicide is a big concern and most victims need to be on suicide watch for weeks if they stay in the hospital or if relatives are supporting them. not many people realize the deep psychological wounds that are left in the wake of such assaults and how long if ever people recover from them.
Don't worry, I am not a softie poseur who sees the world through the lens of media. I'm well experienced with these kind of things and I know the harsh reality.
oh no i wasn't trying to say anything like that, im just describing details accurately for the purposes of game mechanics and how that should translate, perhaps some kind of social debuff for added realism? like raped women being afraid of men etc.
Quote from: Anastasia on November 04, 2018, 09:26:09 PM
oh no i wasn't trying to say anything like that, im just describing details accurately for the purposes of game mechanics and how that should translate, perhaps some kind of social debuff for added realism? like raped women being afraid of men etc.
I hadn't thought of that, would also be good to think of that about child abuse as well when working with C&P or CSL. That's one thing I don't know about, though; how likely is it for a rape victim to develop androphobia?
And, what about gay rapes? How different would debuffs be for male rape victims?
Glad people are responding to this thread, so many more ideas are surfacing.
Quote from: 中村ジロ on November 04, 2018, 10:15:02 PM
Quote from: Anastasia on November 04, 2018, 09:26:09 PM
oh no i wasn't trying to say anything like that, im just describing details accurately for the purposes of game mechanics and how that should translate, perhaps some kind of social debuff for added realism? like raped women being afraid of men etc.
I hadn't thought of that, would also be good to think of that about child abuse as well when working with C&P or CSL. That's one thing I don't know about, though; how likely is it for a rape victim to develop androphobia?
And, what about gay rapes? How different would debuffs be for male rape victims?
Glad people are responding to this thread, so many more ideas are surfacing.
you are leaving my area of knowledge with homosexual rapes, i can't really say the impact that would have, especially since homosexual rape is only recently being recognised by society as an issue and looked at, child abuse tends to "create" psychopaths,(i say create in qoutations because it is a topic of debate wether or not psychopathy is genetic, or if it works like split personality disorder in that it is a self-preservation response to abuse, or some combination of the two) child abuse leads to people having a differnt mentality towards their children that can swing in either extreme, either the child-now-parent abuses their own children in a violent cycle, or the parent is extremely lenient. child abuse and rape are relatively recent thing in study so we don't actually know exactly how they affect people and how many ways/what factors determine how people can respond to them.
also i wonder if assisted suicides could work, perhaps a patient who is in extreme pain would demand to die and his friend would support him(or his freinds would be divided by their psyche with psychology), or a pawn could have the suicide mental break and depending on the status of you having psychology their friends would support/divide over the issue.
p.s. i find it hilarious this is technically still a mod discussion.
Quote from: Anastasia on November 06, 2018, 07:26:58 PM
you are leaving my area of knowledge with homosexual rapes, i can't really say the impact that would have, especially since homosexual rape is only recently being recognised by society as an issue and looked at, child abuse tends to "create" psychopaths,(i say create in qoutations because it is a topic of debate wether or not psychopathy is genetic, or if it works like split personality disorder in that it is a self-preservation response to abuse, or some combination of the two) child abuse leads to people having a differnt mentality towards their children that can swing in either extreme, either the child-now-parent abuses their own children in a violent cycle, or the parent is extremely lenient. child abuse and rape are relatively recent thing in study so we don't actually know exactly how they affect people and how many ways/what factors determine how people can respond to them.
also i wonder if assisted suicides could work, perhaps a patient who is in extreme pain would demand to die and his friend would support him(or his freinds would be divided by their psyche with psychology), or a pawn could have the suicide mental break and depending on the status of you having psychology their friends would support/divide over the issue.
That's a lot of good consideration... but then again, it's a game, so some artistic license is allowed (and, at times, required) for this kind of thing, even when trying to make the game realistic.
Quotep.s. i find it hilarious this is technically still a mod discussion.
But of course, RimWorld is all about the nitty gritty! Even just using Children and Pregnancy and Rim of Madness together you can sacrifice live infants to horrific gods.
Quote from: 中村ジロ on November 06, 2018, 10:12:15 PM
Quote from: Anastasia on November 06, 2018, 07:26:58 PM
you are leaving my area of knowledge with homosexual rapes, i can't really say the impact that would have, especially since homosexual rape is only recently being recognised by society as an issue and looked at, child abuse tends to "create" psychopaths,(i say create in qoutations because it is a topic of debate wether or not psychopathy is genetic, or if it works like split personality disorder in that it is a self-preservation response to abuse, or some combination of the two) child abuse leads to people having a differnt mentality towards their children that can swing in either extreme, either the child-now-parent abuses their own children in a violent cycle, or the parent is extremely lenient. child abuse and rape are relatively recent thing in study so we don't actually know exactly how they affect people and how many ways/what factors determine how people can respond to them.
also i wonder if assisted suicides could work, perhaps a patient who is in extreme pain would demand to die and his friend would support him(or his freinds would be divided by their psyche with psychology), or a pawn could have the suicide mental break and depending on the status of you having psychology their friends would support/divide over the issue.
That's a lot of good consideration... but then again, it's a game, so some artistic license is allowed (and, at times, required) for this kind of thing, even when trying to make the game realistic.
Quotep.s. i find it hilarious this is technically still a mod discussion.
But of course, RimWorld is all about the nitty gritty! Even just using Children and Pregnancy and Rim of Madness together you can sacrifice live infants to horrific gods.
well that's fun, but yeah some mechanics ive suggested would likely be difficult, i am not a modder so i dont know
so... nobody will make a mod based on this topic?
Quote from: cosmic alpaca on November 22, 2018, 08:56:35 PM
so... nobody will make a mod based on this topic?
To tell the truth, I wouldn't download such a mod even if someone were resolute enough to tackle this. I'm not comfortable with the topic of rape, and I certainly don't want it in my game. Life is shitty enough for me not to have to deal with such themes in the games I chose to play.
That said, I'm not going to go on some crusade if someone else wants it in their game...
Quote from: Asero on November 22, 2018, 10:47:44 PM
Life is shitty enough for me not to have to deal with such themes in the games I chose to play.
Then... don't install the mod, lol? You say it as if rape is worse than the horrific genocide, slavery, drug problems etc. that happen every day, both in the real world and in RimWorld. Does genocide not suck enough for you to not buy a game with genocide in it?
Quote from: 中村ジロ on November 23, 2018, 02:12:30 PMThen... don't install the mod, lol? You say it as if rape is worse than the horrific genocide, slavery, drug problems etc. that happen every day, both in the real world and in RimWorld. Does genocide not suck enough for you to not buy a game with genocide in it?
I stated very clearly above that I would not download the mod in the first place. I play the game because I like the base-building and resource production/mods.
Besides, I think you're just trying to poison the well, so this line of discussion is over.
I would just like to add, that i would like this mod as well. If you could mix the therapy mod with it. I mean your just a bunch of people crash landed somewhere right? so who knows who your REALLY could be stuck with. People can be way to aggressive if they think they can get away with it. it would really make the game different then.
Quote from: Asero on November 24, 2018, 12:50:43 AM
Besides, I think you're just trying to poison the well, so this line of discussion is over.
Big words from someone who opened a thread that they already knew they wouldn't like.
Quote from: shezw00 on November 26, 2018, 11:05:20 PM
I would just like to add, that i would like this mod as well. If you could mix the therapy mod with it. I mean your just a bunch of people crash landed somewhere right? so who knows who your REALLY could be stuck with. People can be way to aggressive if they think they can get away with it. it would really make the game different then.
I hadn't thought about it that way. Would make crash-landing with psychos and neurotics a lot more interesting, to say the least.
Quote from: 中村ジロ on November 04, 2018, 10:15:02 PM
I hadn't thought of that, would also be good to think of that about child abuse as well when working with C&P or CSL.
You better be careful what you wish for. There was a mod once allowing exactly that and that led to Thirite, the author of C&P, implementing malicious coding into his mod to make the game crash if that other mod was detected. Thats a pretty sensitive topic for some people :)
For real? Do you have any links/archives of that? I would have never expected Thirite to be a censor. What a shame.
Quote from: 中村ジロ on November 29, 2018, 09:20:30 AM
For real? Do you have any links/archives of that? I would have never expected Thirite to be a censor. What a shame.
This was the code:
// eat shit
if (mod.Name.Contains("[censored]")) {
Int64 i = 0;
while (true) {
i += 1;
}
}It all starts on page 24 of the C&P Thread. He not only censored but delivered malicious coding on purpose.
That's hilarious! Amazing how quickly people are willing to contradict themselves for the sake of masturbating one's own moral compass.
You can always get rimjobworld which lets you have children, rape, etc.
Yeah, I rather ignorantly brushed it aside earlier but I've since taken a closer look and have already installed it. Hopefully once the rest of the mods I run are updated for 1.0 I'll be able to say for myself how well it plays. Still looking for suicide, though.
with a lil googeling there is a porn mod for this game with most of thease things in it