(wiped and rewritten by Tynan)
This thread discusses us working on the RimWorld wiki at http://ludeon.com/rimworld/wiki (http://ludeon.com/rimworld/wiki)
Come help us develop it!
Awesome. Now we know it's a real game!
Can you give me some pictures like a guns/animals pretty much the in-game things so i can add pictures? If so that would be great :)
Graphics aren't even final yet, might have to wait a tiny bit!
Okay, I'll edit in the pictures and vids later.
Very good, ill get to helping out however I can.
Thank you good sir, now I shall play more Rimworld to find out more!
Thanks for creating the wikia..Why?:
Will make the game more known on internet, worldwide..
I can learn a lot what the game features :P
"Rimworld-guide" ?
The first thing that popped in my mind when I read that was "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Rimworld"...
Don't thank me, I strive to share.
Quote from: British on September 20, 2013, 04:02:32 PM
"Rimworld-guide"
Why not just, "RimWorld"?
After all, the game isnt called Rimworld-Guide... :/
Edit:Fix'd
Technically it's called RimWorld, to be clear.
Of course everyone calls BioShock Bioshock, so I don't think it's a huge issue either way :D
It's a great idea, but I suggest we move it to RimWorld (rimworld.wikia.com) which name is available on Wikia, before we all start to contribute like crazy.
If OP doesn't want to do it, I can. Not trying to steal any thunder here, I just want what's best for RimWorld.
I think naming it just RimWorld is the best move as well.
Quote from: Hypolite on September 21, 2013, 04:48:52 PM
It's a great idea, but I suggest we move it to RimWorld (rimworld.wikia.com) which name is available on Wikia, before we all start to contribute like crazy.
If OP doesn't want to do it, I can. Not trying to steal any thunder here, I just want what's best for RimWorld.
Yea "RimWorldguide" just doesn't have the same ring to it.
Without any quick answer from williamknox, I created the RimWorld Wiki (http://rimworld.wikia.com/) and added a few pages, mostly inventories of buildings, structures and characters traits and backgrounds. It needs at least a page about power distribution and a page about trade. A page about known bugs by version would be a nice addition, as well as a quick new player guide with the first few steps to survive.
While reading in-game description, I noticed some typos and inconsistencies with actual game number (for example in build 203 solar panels have an advertised power output of 1,500 although it is actually 1,700), I can provide with some proof-reading services if text strings are available as a separate file.
Thanks Hypolite! Again!
I've attached the file that is currently used to create the Codex in the game. If you or anyone else wants to take a shot at filling it out, I would be endlessly appreciative. What with setting up a corporation and publicizing and making the game it tends to fall to the bottom of the priority list. Obviously I'll credit you! And if you don't have time, no issue. Game can live without it for now.
Unfortunately most of the rest of the text is basically hard-coded. I try to generate it from game data so it never falls out of sync; that 1500/1700 thing must've been a mistake in this area.
I wonder if I could eventually set up the in-game codex to access the online wiki data directly. That'd be a project in itself, but something to put on the list for "eventually".
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Okay, how did you get all the character bios and traits?
Also, about four of the traits actually do affect the game. Yes, I need to implement a lot more. They're largely just flavor right now.
I did extract the bios and the traits the same way: I clicked on "Randomize" until I always saw the same one again and again. You could have guessed that by the fact that I only have bios accessible to starting colonists. No Illegal Shipwright nor Assassin, for example.
About the traits affecting the game, it's a great news, but some seems quite tricky to implement, while others can really make things go wrong very fast, especially when combined.
I'm not sure I will write in the Codex. After all, English is not my primary language, but at least on a Wiki anyone can clean up behind me. I like the idea of the Codex being able to directly get the wiki pages, but I suggest against it until we get our own hosted wiki system to avoid Wikia advertisement. Once we do that, it's just a matter of having an embedded web view in the game to show the wiki.
I've uploaded a few images (taken from Hypolite's screenshots), and I've been trying to create templates, in order to display an infobox for items, with an image, and the stats provided in the wiki.
Problem is, that's a bit complex and I don't have the know-how.
If anyone has done it properly before and could provide templates, that would be awesome...
OK, I managed to add a basic Infobox for Templates...
It's at http://rimworld.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Structure and contains the following fields:
- title
- image : Name of the uploaded image
- imagewidth : For a small image, use "Original"
- size : the number of tiles used by the structure (ex: 2x2)
- cost : How many resources it costs to produce that structure (ex: 3 [[Metal]])
- health : How many HP the structure has
- movement : Speed of characters walking through that tile (ex: 80%)
- note : Anything useful
(Every attributes but Size is hidden if unset)
It might be useful to find a clean way to add if the structure is powered, and if it conducts power.
There might be other attributes to add as well.
@Tynan: Would you have graphical assets available somewhere ?
Even if they're temporary, it could only be better than extracting bits from screenshots...
http://ludeon.com/downloads/AllBuildings.png (http://ludeon.com/downloads/AllBuildings.png)
TexturePacker seems to have done something weird with the edges... I honestly think it might look better if you just pull out chunks of screenshots, with the background intact.
There's a lot of usable ones, at least ;D
I was kinda hoping to have some corresponding description though, as I obviously don't have access to the game and can't identify most of them :P
hello sorry I haven't replied lately, I've been busy :/ I'll edit myfist post on this thread so it links to hypolite's wiki. Also about RimWorld Guide, the reason it has guide on the end is because when I did RimWorld it was like: Nope.
Quote from: Tynan on September 23, 2013, 12:15:50 PM
http://ludeon.com/downloads/AllBuildings.png (http://ludeon.com/downloads/AllBuildings.png)
Any chance to have an extract for *everything* (walls, ground, characters...) ?
The "Structure" template I made was merely for starters ;)
Quote from: Hypolite on September 23, 2013, 05:34:19 AM
I did extract the bios and the traits the same way: I clicked on "Randomize" until I always saw the same one again and again. You could have guessed that by the fact that I only have bios accessible to starting colonists. No Illegal Shipwright nor Assassin, for example.
About the traits affecting the game, it's a great news, but some seems quite tricky to implement, while others can really make things go wrong very fast, especially when combined.
I'm not sure I will write in the Codex. After all, English is not my primary language, but at least on a Wiki anyone can clean up behind me. I like the idea of the Codex being able to directly get the wiki pages, but I suggest against it until we get our own hosted wiki system to avoid Wikia advertisement. Once we do that, it's just a matter of having an embedded web view in the game to show the wiki.
I'll proof read and correct the wiki when I next have the chance.
Progress has been made, the Power (http://rimworld.wikia.com/wiki/Power) page is now on.
British, thanks for the help with the template, it's a big improvement over what I did. About the images, they need to be PNGs since they are small pixellated images. JPG compression destroys the quality of that kind of image. I used the available pictures in my pages, but ideally they should be remade in PNG from screenshots from the game itself.
The pictures I posted on this board are low quality because of the low file upload size limit, but I will be able to provide better screenshots of a selection of buildings if requested.
Quote from: Hypolite on September 23, 2013, 05:53:22 PM
Progress has been made, the Power (http://rimworld.wikia.com/wiki/Power) page is now on.
British, thanks for the help with the template, it's a big improvement over what I did. About the images, they need to be PNGs since they are small pixellated images. JPG compression destroys the quality of that kind of image. I used the available pictures in my pages, but ideally they should be remade in PNG from screenshots from the game itself.
The pictures I posted on this board are low quality because of the low file upload size limit, but I will be able to provide better screenshots of a selection of buildings if requested.
I just edited that page, I think I cleared up the grammar issues, but we could do with a second look over it.
Thanks for the corrections :)
You guys should totally post this wiki to the RimWorld subreddit.
EDIT: My mistake, it's already done. Awesome!
make the wiki sticky ;D
Quote from: Tynan on September 23, 2013, 06:04:38 PM
You guys should totally post this wiki to the RimWorld subreddit.
EDIT: My mistake, it's already done. Awesome!
Yea, I'm on the ball for once. ;)
Edit: Also does anyone else watch breaking bad? I've just started watching it on netflix here in the UK and it is honestly amazing.
Quote from: Hypolite on September 23, 2013, 05:53:22 PMBritish, thanks for the help with the template, it's a big improvement over what I did. About the images, they need to be PNGs since they are small pixellated images. JPG compression destroys the quality of that kind of image. I used the available pictures in my pages, but ideally they should be remade in PNG from screenshots from the game itself.
The pictures I posted on this board are low quality because of the low file upload size limit, but I will be able to provide better screenshots of a selection of buildings if requested.
Well, I can manage the pictures (or at least a good chunk) if you make them available to me somehow (daylight screenshots if possible) 8)
If you can also manage to get the details (Health, which I'll change to HP since it seems to be that way in-game ; Movement on the tiles ; Power costs/drains/whatever...), it would be awesome.
Of course, if Tynan can provide the info, it would be awesome-er ::)
Edit: I've just checked the wiki and you've been busy with updating the Structures already, Hypolite, so feel free to leave me some stuff to do for when I'm at the office tomorrow (in about 10 hours) ;D
I added pictures I grabbed from the file provided by Tynan, but I don't have anything at home to handle the alpha channel on the pngs...
I'll have to do that later.
I made some edits as well, for readability, and created a Talk:Power (http://rimworld.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Power) page to discuss those.
No idea why, but I can't see a link to the Talk page on the Power (http://rimworld.wikia.com/wiki/Power) page...
Thanks for the edits, British, and as per your request, I made you administrator on the wiki. I answered you on the talk page and I made the necessary edits to maximize readability.
I made more spelling, grammar and structure improvements to the wiki but may I suggest something?
The front page can be edited by anyone, I would suggest that we change that so the front page can only be edited by the mods, it helps stop griefing.
That's the yang to the ying when it comes to wikis: what can one do, an other one can undo.
It's a sound suggestion nonetheless.
Having a weekly backup (for instance) of the wiki would make us even safer (I have no idea about how doing it, as of now, though).
The wiki is already fully versioned, and a list of edits is available. With 2 people with the rollback power for 6 pages, I think we'll manage. Good suggestion when the front page will be in its final form. Right now it's still a Work In Progress.
Quote from: Hypolite on September 24, 2013, 06:28:30 PM
The wiki is already fully versioned, and a list of edits is available. With 2 people with the rollback power for 6 pages, I think we'll manage. Good suggestion when the front page will be in its final form. Right now it's still a Work In Progress.
Oh good, that's fine then.
Trade (http://rimworld.wikia.com/wiki/Trade), Resources (http://rimworld.wikia.com/wiki/Resources) and a few extra bios (http://rimworld.wikia.com/wiki/Characters#Adulthood) (look for the asterisks)!
For those interested in helping, a lot of red links (missing pages) about buildings and resources can be resolved by creating the corresponding item page and adding a redirection to the corresponding list page with an anchor to the right item. For example, the page Power conduit (http://rimworld.wikia.com/wiki/Power_conduit?redirect=no) redirects to Structures#Power conduit (http://rimworld.wikia.com/wiki/Structures#Power_conduit).
The redirect syntax is as follow in the page code:
redirect[[Structures#Power conduit]]
Weapons (http://rimworld.wikia.com/wiki/Weapons), Animals (http://rimworld.wikia.com/wiki/Animals) and Plants (http://rimworld.wikia.com/wiki/Plants)!
Really makes me want to make more of each of these things...
Quote from: Tynan on September 29, 2013, 08:55:48 PM
Really makes me want to make more of each of these things...
One thing that would be really nice: having you write down the changes implemented on each build, so we could have them on the wiki, "drawing" an evolution of the game.
Quote from: British on September 30, 2013, 04:08:24 AM
Quote from: Tynan on September 29, 2013, 08:55:48 PM
Really makes me want to make more of each of these things...
One thing that would be really nice: having you write down the changes implemented on each build, so we could have them on the wiki, "drawing" an evolution of the game.
Self-bumping is bad, don't do it at home !
Unless it's for great justice, of course... 8)
Quote from: British on September 30, 2013, 04:08:24 AM
Quote from: Tynan on September 29, 2013, 08:55:48 PM
Really makes me want to make more of each of these things...
One thing that would be really nice: having you write down the changes implemented on each build, so we could have them on the wiki, "drawing" an evolution of the game.
My only hesitation is the time it would take. I develop fast and keeping changelists would slow things down...
Right now, I see as a sort of game within the game for testers. Each time Tynan releases a build, I'm like "What did he implement since last time?". I should probably be the one along with other testers to keep a changelog.
Quote from: Hypolite on October 01, 2013, 12:47:53 PM
Right now, I see as a sort of game within the game for testers. Each time Tynan releases a build, I'm like "What did he implement since last time?". I should probably be the one along with other testers to keep a changelog.
Lol. Okay, I'll be dropping data on the major changes. And as soon as we have a bug database up, I'll of course be resolving anything fixed. It's not totally cowboy programming out here.
Quote from: Tynan on October 01, 2013, 12:55:30 PMIt's not totally cowboy programming out here.
Breaking news: Muffalo taming announced for next build! ;D
If that's too much of a hassle right now, being pre-alpha and all, I suppose it's not much a problem if you don't bother.
I still think that will be something very useful once the KS is done (and you've become a billionaire), as I suspect there will be a fair bunch of people willing to beta- (or alpha- of course) test the game.
Keeping track of changes will benefit everyone (mostly you, actually).
After noting how horribly intrusive the ads are on Wikia, I've installed a new MediaWiki installation at http://ludeon.com/rimworldwiki/
I think we should migrate content there over the long term and eventually close the Wikia. Hopefully it won't be too tough; there are only 11 pages so far.
Does that work? Then there will be a nice clean wiki for us, without all the wikia crap in your face.
With AdBlock Plus always active, I didn't even notice Wikia's advertisements. I support the self-hosting choice, but I'm guessing it will be less intuitive for people not accustomed to wiki syntax as MediaWiki doesn't have a WYSIWYG editor by default.
Quote from: Hypolite on October 01, 2013, 08:27:45 PM
With AdBlock Plus always active, I didn't even notice Wikia's advertisements. I support the self-hosting choice, but I'm guessing it will be less intuitive for people not accustomed to wiki syntax as MediaWiki doesn't have a WYSIWYG editor by default.
true and not enough people using adblock plus these days.
Altough i can recommend it to everybody.
Id help putting the stuff over but since i cant confirm it actually works like that ingame i feel bad fulling in stuff that might be incorrect.
Putting the stuff over and confirming/changing the stuff according to the current status in the game would be best.
Quote from: Hypolite on October 01, 2013, 08:27:45 PM
With AdBlock Plus always active, I didn't even notice Wikia's advertisements. I support the self-hosting choice, but I'm guessing it will be less intuitive for people not accustomed to wiki syntax as MediaWiki doesn't have a WYSIWYG editor by default.
Is there another wiki you think would work better? I can put on DocuWiki, PmWiki, or WikkaWiki relatively easily.
I don't know the others well enough to recommend them, but I just found a WYSIWYG extension for MediaWiki (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:WYSIWYG). Worth a shot. :)
Quote from: Hypolite on October 01, 2013, 09:20:34 PM
I don't know the others well enough to recommend them, but I just found a WYSIWYG extension for MediaWiki (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:WYSIWYG). Worth a shot. :)
I had some trouble with that extension in the past.
Been a while since i used it though so it might be that it actually works now.
But id say use a mainstream wiki. They have the most support for adblocking etc.
Just searched my phone for some links and guides i used in the past.
Will add more later when i finish some work. apperantly work could wait. Nighshift anyway and we reached our KPI's
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Spam_blacklist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Spam_blacklist)
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Combating_spam (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Combating_spam)
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6748633/how-to-prevent-mediawiki-spam (http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6748633/how-to-prevent-mediawiki-spam)
Site for wikia.
http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Help:Spam (http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Help:Spam)
http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User:VSTF_Bot (http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User:VSTF_Bot)
http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Help:Protect_site (http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Help:Protect_site)
Quote from: Hypolite on October 01, 2013, 08:27:45 PM
I support the self-hosting choice, but I'm guessing it will be less intuitive for people not accustomed to wiki syntax as MediaWiki doesn't have a WYSIWYG editor by default.
Not a problem for me.
The only time I've used the WYSIWYG editor was when I was tweaking some tables...
Hi Guys, just found this amazing game. Can I help with the Wiki in any way?
Hello JugglerX,
You can always read this thread (http://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=79.0).
We're slowly transitioning to hosting a wiki on ludeon.com, but if you have the graphical skills I lack, you can still define ways of improving the wiki on wikia.
Or if you're familiar with creating/managing wikis, there are certainly many things missing in ours...
Quote from: British on October 02, 2013, 06:19:22 AM
Hello JugglerX,
You can always read this thread (http://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=79.0).
We're slowly transitioning to hosting a wiki on ludeon.com, but if you have the graphical skills I lack, you can still define ways of improving the wiki on wikia.
Or if you're familiar with creating/managing wikis, there are certainly many things missing in ours...
Dont forget alot will still chance so leave room within your design to do stuff differently
I was talking about the graphics of the wiki...
Quote from: British on October 02, 2013, 09:15:29 AM
I was talking about the graphics of the wiki...
Ow my dear apologies i misunderstood...
Hmm based on some of your comments and looking at it I'm less confident in MediaWiki now. Which I didn't expect, considering it runs Wikipedia and DFWiki.
I'm looking into other solutions, does anyone have any recommendations?
MediaWiki is most likely potent, it has the advantage that you can host it on your site, but it's indeed a pain to get into.
We might as well keep Wikia for the time being (use AdBlock, people !), and try some others in parallel (MediaWiki as well).
I rekon mediawiki is a reasonable choice. I guess the decision is between mediawiki (ownership/full-control/no-ads/more difficult for fans to edit) and wikia (more familiar/easier for communities?/ad's/less control over design)
I've themed a media wiki before but I'm no expert. I just read up on the themeing documentation. It runs off a sub-theme folder. So in theory I can develop a Rimworld mediawiki locally on my own computer and then just zip the files, you copy them into the live mediawiki theme folder and enable.
I'd be interested in giving this a crack, maybe late next week I can have a themed Rimworld media-wiki to show.
So maybe keep both running for now.
Agreed.
I'd like to discuss it with you, JugglerX, possibly with Tynan and Hypolite in the loop.
Tynan, because he's the boss (don't get cocky, though !).
Hypolite, because he wrote 98% of what's on the wiki.
Me, because I have the "proper" graphical assets of the game (the zillion images Tynan gave me, that I modified to be usable, and that I uploaded and put into context in the wiki).
Quote from: British on October 03, 2013, 05:28:25 AM
Agreed.
I'd like to discuss it with you, JugglerX, possibly with Tynan and Hypolite in the loop.
Tynan, because he's the boss (don't get cocky, though !).
Hypolite, because he wrote 98% of what's on the wiki.
Me, because I have the "proper" graphical assets of the game (the zillion images Tynan gave me, that I modified to be usable, and that I uploaded and put into context in the wiki).
Sounds good. I'll will just note that there are other wiki packages I could install. DocuWiki, PmWiki, and WikkaWiki are all available to me free without too much effort. So if you guys would rather work with one of those than MediaWiki it's cool. Let me know what you decide.
I really would prefer not to use Wikia... the ads are ridiculous.
Thanks for the help guys, I really appreciate it.
Thanks for the suggestion, JugglerX, but what would you do to the local MediaWiki copy? The main problem with vanilla MediaWiki is the lack of WYSIWYG editor that can deter potential contributors. The theming is not as important as usability.
Look at it this way: there's quite a number of people that want to play RimWorld the hardcore way... Well then, they'll be happy to know than even the wiki is hardcore 8) ;D
The Weapons and Character sections are complete as far as I know :)
Thanks again British for the illustrations/corrections/layout work!
No problemo !
I'm sad about not having a picture for the shotgun, though... unless you can confirm the shotgun is using the same graphics as the rifles'.
Quote from: British on October 04, 2013, 05:06:53 AM
No problemo !
I'm sad about not having a picture for the shotgun, though... unless you can confirm the shotgun is using the same graphics as the rifles'.
Yep they're the same.
Back on the topic of Wikia vs MediaWiki, I have to say the lazy dude in me, besides taking so much space, well... he likes that Wikia has built-in templates, documentations and such ready to use from the get-go.
I tried a bit to add stuff to MediaWiki, but I can confirm it's a pain.
Haven't heard about JugglerX either.
Has anyone looked into these other free wikis? DocuWiki, PmWiki, and WikkaWiki?
Hmm, personaly i had good experience with mediawiki. Had the same issue, i simply didn´t liked the AD´s but wikia is very costumer friendly. On the other hand, mediawiki has a high learning curve. If you got the basics and if you want to create a new wikipage, it doesn´t take mutch effort. But anything else... i mostly looked for other mediawiki pages, checked the source out and copyed what i needed to create a similiar textstyle.
In the end it´s always 4-5 people that care for a wiki of a game, from my experience. It may sound a little bit hard, but i wouldn´t count that really mutch people will contribute to a wiki, even if you take a easy one with a WYSIWYG editorstyle. You really should look for a wiki that is comfortable for the people that does care now. (British, Hypolite, etc.)
So even if mediawiki is a bit harder to use, you can get very mutch source material from other mediawikis and use it for your own style, modify it a bit and just get what you want.
But just to mention it, DokuWiki is a simple one too (used it myself 3-4 times for work related projects), without adds and a easy to handle editor in a style like a forum editor tool. You can get pictures, spreadsheets and pages very simple, but it hasn´t mutch features like mediawiki. You can, still, install some plugins to get new functions with DokuWiki.
If you want a wiki with many options from the start , mediawiki is the one. If you just want a solid wiki with text, some pictures, spreadsheets, easy to manage and contribute, DokuWiki is a good choice.
For WikkaWiki you need some decent PHP Skills. It´s more about to create a secure wiki. And i never used PmWiki (but from a quick look it doesn´t look that userfriendly, even if it states otherwise on it´s homepage.)
Hope it helped a bit.
i dont like wikia,
it is confusing, most time you cant find what youre looking for and there are a lot of ads, so my old laptop on work cant handle it :D
better is mediawiki, better navigation and presentation
Quote from: Tynan on October 04, 2013, 09:58:54 PM
Has anyone looked into these other free wikis? DocuWiki, PmWiki, and WikkaWiki?
I use DocuWiki on a regular basis (building a fantasy-setting with friends of mine with it).
It's simple (filesystem-architecture, no DB-Skills needed. we even run it via DropBox atmom so we dont need webspace :D), easy to expand (there are TONS of mods and addons you can install and update via the GUI of the wiki itself) and it runs fast enough... for me (i think it's fine as long you don't have a bajillion articles ;) ). You have a good range of possibilities to customize it (a bit of research and work required).
Afaik docuwiki is a "simplified" version of mediawiki, wouldn't place a bet on that fact though.
The very only contra i see: It's a bit hard to "re-organize" the articles because you don't have a db-architecture. To prevent this you need to plan a little bit so the filestructure won't be too messed up.
We used wikia for the same project but stopped working with it, because of copyright-insecurities. No problems for a game-wiki i think.
I had extremly good experience with the Customer-Support of wikia. If you don't want a lot of work and don't need customization it's a nice and easy way, but i think those 4-5 enthusiasts who will continuosly take care of the wiki WANT to be able to customize stuff.
http://www.wikimatrix.org/wizard.php (http://www.wikimatrix.org/wizard.php) <= That helped me a lot by the time i searched for a fitting wiki.
Quote from: xTAMERx on October 05, 2013, 06:05:16 AM
i dont like wikia,
it is confusing, most time you cant find what youre looking for and there are a lot of ads, so my old laptop on work cant handle it :D
better is mediawiki, better navigation and presentation
Wikia is very fine with AdBlock.
And, as someone who uploaded hundreds of pictures to Wikia, it also wins some points on that matter... more so since I'm yet to find how to upload anything on MediaWiki.
We just need to kickstart (pun intended) MediaWiki (or any other "local" wiki Tynan decides to choose) to be up to par, but in the meantime, Wikia stays up.
Okay, I've installed DocuWiki at http://ludeon.com/rimworldwiki/
Please take a look at it and see what you think. It seems to have useful WYSIWYG functionality and is pretty straightforward and clean.
It if passes muster I'd like to see the Wikia content moved over before it grows.
I'll be honest - I really, really want to kill the Wikia. I know some of you are Internet masters with adblock magic happening, but most of us are not. And this is just really offensive, isn't it?
(http://puu.sh/4IoMO.jpg)
True, but... "AdBlock magic" ? Really ?
It's a simple addon that works on just about every common browser...
It doesn't require any specific skill to install, other than going to the browser's website and do a search (or do it from inside the browser).
Quote from: British on October 05, 2013, 04:02:09 PM
True, but... "AdBlock magic" ? Really ?
It's a simple addon that works on just about every common browser...
It doesn't require any specific skill to install, other than going to the browser's website and do a search (or do it from inside the browser).
I know it's easy, but I still suspect most people don't use it. The wiki should work well and be clean for the grand mass of people.
Probably.
Anyway, it would most likely have been less radical to put that "new" wiki somewhere else.
Since we're still skimming through candidates, we might as well try different ones at the same time, rather than one by one.
You can upload pictures with mediawiki, but it is one by one. Or you can get a FTP access to the mediawiki Server and simply upload the whole package at once. But before you can use the mediawiki uploadsystem you have to activate it in the configfile of mediawiki, serverside.
DokuWiki has only one setback like garg1 said it. You have to beginn in a structured way, because it has no PHP database. It saves all as TXT files on the server and it´s not that easy to make a radical change when you hit a certain complexity in your wiki.
Template example (https://www.dokuwiki.org/lib/exe/fetch.php?hash=128ed1&media=http%3A%2F%2Ftonybaldwin.homelinux.net%2Fimages%2F010612225526.jpg)
I just tried DokuWiki a bit.
I don't like the fact that it *requires* a real name field to be filled for registration, nor am I fond of the usernames being all lowercases.
Those are not important, of course, but, maybe a bit more significant, there's a 2MB limit on uploads (for each file).
The syntax is also different than MediaWiki (and thus Wikia).
In closing, I'm going to stay away of the creation of the wiki(s).
I'll help with cleaning/readability/correcting/whatnot, but we need people that actually know and use those tools to set them up proper first.
I can at least tell you that you can edit the registration form (at the serverconfigs) and put in any things you want to know or not want to know about a person (like delete the name needed).
And you can increase the default 2 megabyte limit in the serverconfigs. Yes, the Syntax is different, but moste functions can be created/used by the build in editor of DokuWiki.
About capital letters. Well, no clue. I know that capital letters had some issues with some plugins, on the other hand, the username is only required for a account when you do maintenance. But honestly, it would irritate me too. The only tricky thing is to configurate the wiki before using it. But thats the issue with every wiki that is installed on a own server.
The thing is, even if we move to a self-hosted wiki, there will probably be a RimWorld Wikia anyway, so it's probably better to control it from here. That's the "total PR control" scenario, of course, and it involves duplicating content, which is bad. I'll take a look at DokuWiki next week.
Can you get the Wikia to refer to the Ludeon hosted one then only update one?
Quote from: Turbo on October 05, 2013, 07:02:38 PM
Can you get the Wikia to refer to the Ludeon hosted one then only update one?
I doubt that we can do a "direct redirection", but we can empty Wikia, lock it to prevent modification, and set a link that redirect to Ludeon's.
That won't be pretty, though, but as time goes on, people will go to the new one.
We're not there yet, anyway.
Usually, if you got 1 good wiki running, nobody will be intressted in making another one. Because creating a wiki, content and get all the links right, update it regular and so on is work, real work. Nothing to do with fun, it´s basicly administrationwork. I doubt that somebody else would make a wikia if another well documented wiki exists, on the other hand if a wikia exists, even with ad´s, nobody will go through the trouble to make a mediafire wiki, as example (except they really really hate Wikia). I could easly live with the existing wikia. Despite the Ad´s and that you are not in control of the wikiserver itselfs, there are no real issues against using the wikia.
I think the most important thing right now is to set up one wiki (as soon as it's chosen) in a way it's:
- user-friendly (mostly changing registration-options like the realname-thing)
- looking kinda "ready" (?) (come on, right now most guys see the default-template of docuwiki and think "oh, it's a construction site, i think i'll wait till it's set up")
To point 2:
Unfortunately i have no experience with dw-templates (never needed one because my own wiki is only for private use) but there are a lot you can choose from. (https://www.dokuwiki.org/template)
I guess someone (if he/she wants to) needs to do the administration (for which he/she needs to get admin-status) for the wiki. The setting-up is most of the work right now.
(I can imagine Tynan won't have time to seriously do research on docuwikis possibilities)
Your thoughts on this?
EDIT: I screened our current setup of docuwiki, hopes it helps. As mentioned, we use the standart-template.
Sorry about the massive censoring, i'm a bit paranoid about copyright :S. Hope the quality is readable.
(http://docuwiki-example.jpg)
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Hi Guys,
I'm not sure what the decision is on the wiki. If you need assistance themeing either medi-wiki or docuwiki i'm willing to help. I know media wiki can be themed locally and uploaded (ie files given to Tynan in a .zip and simply installed). If docuwiki is similar I can have a crack at themeing that as well.
I'm not particularly interested in maintaining the wiki, but im putting my hand up for production support in themeing it. Totally agree that usability and maintainability of the wiki is just as important perhaps more important then the theme. Happy to take guidance on what is ultimately easier to maintain and use from experienced wiki mods.
If someone else is already themeing the wiki, let me know and I wont get up in your space.
Hypolite and I are (mostly) taking care of the maintenance, but it's indeed the theming that is a huge problem (and having proper categorize, and some kind of way to have all the pages accessible, and... everything).
Regarding the wiki on ludeon.com, Tynan has replaced the MediaWiki by DoKuWiki, while I would have preferred to keep both for proper comparison.
I actually find DokuWiki worse and more limited than MediaWiki, but if you feel like having a go at it, please do (you might then want to create an account there and check with Tynan to get admin).
Is the final decision docuwiki? Is everyone behind that? I don't want to theme it, if it's going to be unused.
It's nowhere near final.
The idea is to find a wiki that is easy to work with and maintain, just like Wikia, but without the crazy ads.
My beefs with MediaWiki is that I couldn't reproduce or integrate the template system of Wikia (which is forked off MediaWiki).
And then there's DokuWiki, which I think is crap, in regard to the few wikis that are using it that I checked.
And Tynan doesn't like Wikia because of all the ads (as we can't expect every single visitor to use AdBlock and such).
sounds to me like dokuwiki is inferior to wikia and mediawiki.
When you say you couldent reproduce the templating system of wikia to mediawiki, is this only affecting the migration of existing content? or is maintaining mediawiki completely different?
I'm always skeptical of Wikia's, they never seem to be the "official" wiki
Quote from: JugglerX on October 08, 2013, 10:55:57 AM
When you say you couldent reproduce the templating system of wikia to mediawiki, is this only affecting the migration of existing content? or is maintaining mediawiki completely different?
It affects the migration since the migrated pages make use of templates.
And it affects the existing (or "non-migrated" content) because I couldn't figure out how to achieve the same result as templates without actually using them.
But I didn't try too much.
I'll put up an installation of MediaWiki alongside the DocuWiki. Perhaps it would be a better long-term choice, if that's what you guys think. I'm no wiki expert so I can't make a full evaluation myself.
The MediaWiki is up here: http://ludeon.com/wikirimworld/
If you guys have decided that this is better than DocuWiki then go ahead and start on it. It's certainly a more proven product, even if it has its idiosyncrasies; people who have worked on Wikipedia or DFWiki will have used it.
Sorry about the confusion guys.
Quote from: Tynan on October 09, 2013, 12:50:16 PM
The MediaWiki is up here: http://ludeon.com/wikirimworld/
If you guys have decided that this is better than DocuWiki then go ahead and start on it. It's certainly a more proven product, even if it has its idiosyncrasies; people who have worked on Wikipedia or DFWiki will have used it.
Sorry about the confusion guys.
I think, after the game releases to public alpha, you should add Username and Password genuine needed on that wiki forums, just like PA, to prevent torrenters visiting at it.
Hey guys,
I saw the wikia wiki, and it seemed people were settling in so I didn't want to say anything. But I see you're thinking of alternatives, which is great. I can't stand wikia. Even *if* you block the extreme advertising, I don't like that the wiki seems to have a fixed width for the content.
I currently run a wiki at http://wiki.dust514.info (I have some advertisements there, but I made it so any registered users -- which is free to do -- don't see advertisements). I had thought perhaps I would set up a mediawiki wiki at wiki.rimworld.org or wiki.rimworld.info, or even just at the root website rimworld.org.
Would you guys have any interest in that? Eventually I'd like to build these into more of a community site than just a wiki. Maybe a place for people to post stories, downloads, what-have-you, but for now a wiki is the most obvious, easiest, and useful addition.
Or prefer to keep it run by Tynan?
And on a related note, if you have ideas for what to do for a community site, I'm all ears! Or if you want to help out.
(I'm off to bed shortly, so may not be responding soon for about 12 hours)
Quote from: British on October 05, 2013, 07:11:47 AM
And, as someone who uploaded hundreds of pictures to Wikia, it also wins some points on that matter... more so since I'm yet to find how to upload anything on MediaWiki.
Just on this topic, as others have pointed out, mediawiki supports uploads. In fact, wikia runs a version of mediawiki, so a lot of the wiki markup that you enter can be directly copied over to a mediawiki wiki with minimal changes.
Thanks for participating, Winsaucerer.
It would have been nice of you to read the whole thread prior to posting in it, though, as that would have answered quite a few of your questions.
So please do that when you get the time, and if you still have some questions then, I'll be happy to see them answered.
Quote from: British on October 10, 2013, 09:45:35 AM
It would have been nice of you to read the whole thread prior to posting in it, though, as that would have answered quite a few of your questions.
Hi British, I have read the thread, and I'm really not quite sure what you mean when you say it answers quite a few of my questions.
My understanding: you guys have been looking at and using Wikia, but Tynan and some others do not like Wikia (I count myself in that set). So now Tynan has offered to host a wiki at ludeon.com, either perhaps docuwiki or mediawiki.
I'm asking if you guys would prefer a community-run, clean wiki at rimworld.org or rimworld.info, where we have full control and Tynan doesn't have to manage it (though perhaps managing one himself is what he'd prefer).
Quote from: Winsaucerer on October 10, 2013, 09:32:04 AMI had thought perhaps I would set up a mediawiki wiki at wiki.rimworld.org or wiki.rimworld.info, or even just at the root website rimworld.org.
Would you guys have any interest in that? Eventually I'd like to build these into more of a community site than just a wiki. Maybe a place for people to post stories, downloads, what-have-you, but for now a wiki is the most obvious, easiest, and useful addition.
Or prefer to keep it run by Tynan?
http://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=53.msg1110#msg1110
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After noting how horribly intrusive the ads are on Wikia, I've installed a new MediaWiki installation at http://ludeon.com/rimworldwiki/
I think we should migrate content there over the long term and eventually close the Wikia. Hopefully it won't be too tough; there are only 11 pages so far.
Does that work? Then there will be a nice clean wiki for us, without all the wikia crap in your face."
Quote from: Winsaucerer on October 10, 2013, 09:37:12 AM
Just on this topic, as others have pointed out, mediawiki supports uploads. In fact, wikia runs a version of mediawiki, so a lot of the wiki markup that you enter can be directly copied over to a mediawiki wiki with minimal changes.
http://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=53.msg2171#msg2171
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My beefs with MediaWiki is that I couldn't reproduce or integrate the template system of Wikia (which is forked off MediaWiki).[/i]"
That should cover your initial interrogations ;)
TL;DR: Yes Tynan wants to have the wiki (which is not decided on yet) on his website (I endorse that decision as well).
That doesn't mean *he* will have to take care of it.
There's probably no point of having a "community" on the wiki since it's alongside the forums, but that's up to Tynan.
As stated above, I couldn't get some imported template to work (it was imported along the pages it's used on), and no, I didn't spend hours finding out why ::)
Hope that helps.
Welcome Winsaucerer! So nobody has offered to supply separate hosting. I have to decline though, just because of the ads.
I'm soon going to begin promoting the MediaWiki as the one true RimWorld wiki. Just so everyone knows where to focus their efforts. MediaWiki is well established and many people know it well.
Sincere apologies to British and Hypolite and others who have worked on the Wikia. I really hope most of the content can be moved over without much challenge. Had I known the wiki options better before I'd have killed the Wikia much sooner. Sorry.
If anyone wants to take a leading role on the new MediaWiki, please say so. I don't have time to run the whole thing myself.
Im going to try and help out with the new wiki as much as possible. Now that I have a little more time available :)
Thank you Nystrom! Let me know if you need anything.
Before I headed off to bed, I would have liked to see a better from page. So I copied basically what the wikia front page had for the most part...
Looks a little better!
I just cant change the logo! lol
I'll fix up the logo soon. If you need any super-user privileges that I can bestow let me know.
That might help. Ill try not to break anything ;)
I'm there as well, will work on it as I get some free time.
I think I figured out the best way to move from wikia. Super-User privs would be nice at this point. So whenever you get the time I can make it happen!
That's what I tried last time, and as I mentionned in some post in this thread, it didn't go too well.
I have a full export ready now, though, waiting for Tynan to wake up... literally ?
British and Nystrom, you guys are now Bureaucrats (that's the highest privileged MW user).
When I get home in a couple days I'll set the logo; I have no image editor right now.
Ok sweet. Its looking like we may need to install a few extensions to get what we would like for the layout and formatting of the Wiki. I think we are going to spend quite a bit of time in setup before content is really being added.
British, a full export, even though nice. Might actually not really be worth it. It might make more sense to just copy the pages over and edit them on the fly. I installed a local copy of mediawiki and imported the wikia. There was a lot of stuff to fix after importing. Might work better to just "start from scratch" considering there isn't that many pages. A lot of the info can be copy/pasted.
Yes, but I suspect it will be a PITA to fix even without an import.
What would be ideal is to have the same templates as on Wikia... or at least a way to make them just about the same.
I did some research and found that there is ways of essentially "importing" wikia to a mediawiki installation. They do have custom extesions though and it would involve asking them nicely if we can have a copy.
On the other hand. It might be easier to import wikipedia templates that are similar to wikias. One way or another, additional extensions ARE required.
Just let me know if you need anything from me.
I'm going to see about creating other users with FTP access.
I made you guys users and sent you the details.
Also, you should be able to set the logo to whatever you like!
I'm stoked to see the content start to move over!
Good thing for you that you didn't actually check that content :P
It's a very rough translation, and I'm trying to figure out how to recreate the damn templates.
As it has been said already, we'll most likely have to resort to extensions.
And I can't find a proper black/dark skin and it's driving me crazy... >:(
I added a shizzleload of templates, thanks to this page (http://www.etcwiki.org/wiki/Install_infobox).
So, the infoboxes are back in, but I can't figure out why the text inside (besides title) don't want to get aligned to the left... >:( :'(
While try something else later, I need some rest right now.
Sounds good. I did note that the content was all misformatted and such, but that's not the end of the world. The point is that it was starting.
A dark theme would be cool, as long as it's nice and clean like the default white.
What is the URL of the new wiki? I checked http://ludeon.com/rimworlwiki but it failed.
http://ludeon.com/rimworld/wiki
I moved the wiki to ludeon.com/rimworld/wiki and pointed your FTP users at that dir. I modified the htaccess and LocalSettings for it to work in the new dir.
Sweet.
On my end, I've finally corrected the Structure template so items are properly aligned.
I'm not pleased with the code, as that's the one from Wikia that was modified, but it works...
Now what the wiki really needs is that elusive black skin.
The way I understand it, one can create a skin by creating a new css, but I have no knowledge of that (and don't intend to).
We'll also have to figure out how we want the wiki zones (menus, articles...) to be displayed, as it ought to be in the css.
Oh, and the logo placement should be *above* the menus/articles, and not part of the menu as it is right now... something like the Ludeon Studios logo on this very forum, but to the left.
Hey Tynan,
I've sent you a PM regarding the wiki, which may or may not interest you ;)
This thread is full of old info. I'm making a new wiki discussion thread.