The wiki is pretty darn outdated sadly, with several omissions and multiple instances of being out right incorrect. For example: it says that Turrets gain cover from sandbags/rocks which we now know isn't true, it says that batteries in large blocks explode so you have to build batteries in groups of two...that's not true at all; I have a block of at least 2 or 3 dozen and I've never had a problem with them, etc... To top it all off, the images and thumbnails seem to be broken so none of the pictures work or display properly.
I'd love nothing more then to fix it myself but I know absolutely nothing about Wiki formatting code (I barely have a grasp on forum code lol) and I wouldn't know where to even begin when it comes to the images. I found an old post where Tynan apparently put two guys in charge of putting it together and taking care of it...I'm going to assume they aren't around anymore? Doesn't seem like anyone has done anything to it for a long time.
I realize the Wiki isn't exactly top priority and Tynan himself has better things to do (Like make us more stuff to build!) But, if YOU know how to fix the Image problem, or if your any kind of savvy with Wiki formatting code and such head on over there (http://rimworldwiki.com/) and fix it lol!
If you don't know anything about that stuff and it's all gibberish to you (Like it is to me) then you can still be helpful by pointing out any errors you find here so that someone can fix it!
Thanks in advance for your help/time/response/clothes/boots/motorcycle.
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UPDATE: This list is pretty much abandoned now as we have multiple people working and it's too much to keep up with, but I've decided to leave it for posterity. If you want to help/contribute you can ask in this thread or just dive right in! The To-Do list is now being kept on the Wiki to make updating it easier: http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/RimWorld_Wiki:To-do.
Needs to be done list: (Feel free to do these if you know how!) Minor, Major, Critical, New, Fixed
Update and finish Research page: Table is incomplete/incorrect. DamienHart has vanquished the foul beasts of incompleteness/incorrectness that dwelt within these pages! Verily, he is mighty.
Overview section: Missing pages. Updated Overview section with basic World, History, and Statistics pages/info.
Royal Bed entry: "Mod" tag should be removed, part of core game now. Fixed.
Drop Beacon entry (Furniture section): Needs to be changed to Orbital Trade Beacon, as well as have description updated. Fixed.
Main Page: Sandbags should be moved from Structures to Security, Links to Mortar pages need to be added once they are created as well. Done.
Events page: Needs updating/more descriptions.
AI storyteller: Outdated/incorrect. Started fixing AI storyteller section to reflect Alpha 6 changes.
Animals: Needs updating, missing new animals. Fixed by Fernbhoy, and when Fernbhoy fixes something, it stays fixed!
Main page: Organization of page flow, establishing a set style/theme. General improvements to wiki structure/ease of use. Reorganized the page flow to match the in game menus, added all pages that were missing (Very basic, just in game text they still need info boxes and such.), still need Production, Misc, and Decoration parent pages. Added basic pages with links to related objects. Some tables still point to wrong links, will fix soon. All link tables now look the same and contain the correct links. They could be prettier though.
Broken Tables: Lot's of tables have broken formatting/not displaying correctly.
Security Page: Still has link for outdated Auto-turret, needs to be changed to Improvised. Also, has link to Blasting charge which is a mod now and not part of the core game. Fixed as best I could, Table still wonky and still needs Mortars added, Mortar/Incendiary Mortar both need a page. Made placeholder Mortar pages with basic info.
Weapons: Handful of Stones, Pila, Charge Lance, Heavy Charge Blaster, and Inferno Cannon all need pages/descriptions. DarkGhost is working on it, good as done in my book. Done, so very done.
Architect: Production, Misc, Decoration all missing pages/descriptions. Basic pages added.
Structure: Log Wall, and Wood Wall missing pages/descriptions. Basic pages added.
Production: Machining Table, and Slag Refinery missing pages/descriptions. Basic pages added.
Version history: Needs fixing/updating. Thanks Fernbhoy!
Gibbet Cage entry: Should be removed? No longer in game. Description has been changed to reflect that it's not currently in the game.
Traits: Lots of Traits were cut and others have an effect now, so the Trait section needs to be completely overhauled. Damien Hart and Delta V updated the Traits list, That's mother 'effing teamwork!
Launch Pad entry (Buildings section): Should be removed? No longer in game.
Weapons: All weapon descriptions/info boxes need to be re done with new accuracy/stats system. All hail DarkGhost, Lord and Master of the arcane and mysterious infobox! Heap much praise upon him for our shiny new Weapon Tables! This guy wins 2 internets!
Broken Images: Pictures not displaying/links broken?
Structure page: NOT in English. Needs to be redone or translated. Redirected both front page links to Structure/en page as temporary workaround.
Ship: No Ship page, All ship structures missing, need pages/descriptions. Made some basic Ship pages, added placeholder descriptions with in game text, required metal to build, hit points, and some other important info. Still needs infoboxes and pictures etc...
Gear/Apparel: Missing entirely. Clothes, Armor, and Hats need to be added with tables for stats. Added basic pages/info but need an apparel table. Also, need stats for Hats. ZestyLemons to the rescue! The Gear page never knew what hit it!
Alpha 6 Updates: Pretty much everything that was added in Alpha 6 needs to be added to the Wiki. Added Basic info/Pages about world gen/Biomes
Health system: New Alpha 6 system for handling health/injuries needs to be added with info. ZestyLemon has done a terrific job documenting the new health system for the wiki! It was no small task! (The single biggest addition to the wiki so far by such a large margin that you'd have to divide the next biggest article by 4 to get half of it's size.) Kudos!
(I'd greatly appreciate you posting here if you fix something so I can cross it off the list! Thanks in advance.)
I very much agree that the wiki could use some work. I've been hoping someone will take the reins of it. I had to do a code cleanup and rework some of the code and plugins not long ago because they were just full of junk plugins (installed by a guy I ill-advisedly let manage the wiki without any supervision). So it definitely needs some cleanup. However, I promise it will be a more stable platform from here on out.
Even if you're not good at formatting, you can certainly just go into edit mode, replace incorrect text, and save the changes!
Also, since Alpha 6 is out, much of the wiki is now obsolete.
Quote from: Tynan on August 13, 2014, 10:47:42 AM
I very much agree that the wiki could use some work. I've been hoping someone will take the reins of it. I had to do a code cleanup and rework some of the code and plugins not long ago because they were just full of junk plugins (installed by a guy I ill-advisedly let manage the wiki without any supervision). So it definitely needs some cleanup. However, I promise it will be a more stable platform from here on out.
Even if you're not good at formatting, you can certainly just go into edit mode, replace incorrect text, and save the changes!
Also, since Alpha 6 is out, much of the wiki is now obsolete.
I suppose I was a little gun shy about just mucking up the wiki, but then again that's what wiki's are about right? Anyone can edit them lol. Once I play more of the Alpha 6 build I'll do my best to update some of the info and make corrections. Hopefully we can all pitch in and get it up to date and looking nice again!
I will help updating information.
It's greatly appreciated!
HYF's Wiki change log:
(Making some very basic text corrections since I haven't played a ton of alpha 6 yet)
KEY:
- "original"
> "changed to" (Reason for change/details.)
Improvised Turret:
-The turret is a 3-round burst weapon with a moderate warm-up time, able to stun, incapacitate, or even kill hostiles within seconds. The fatality rate of a turret can be further progressed through '''[[Research|researching Gun Turret Cooling]]''' at a '''[[Research bench]]'''.
>The turret is a 3-round burst weapon with a moderate warm-up time, able to stun, incapacitate, or even kill hostiles within seconds. This can be upgraded to a 4-round burst through '''[[Research|researching Gun Turret Cooling]]''' at a '''[[Research bench]]''' (Clarified effect of upgrade)
-One should also protect turrets with '''[[Sandbags]]''' placed directly in front of the desired turret to prevent such catastrophes.
> Turrets do not benefit from cover. (This entry was incorrect and misleading, So I fixed it)
Batteries:
-When connected to a power grid which produces more power than is consumed, the batteries will start charging up.Batteries need a connected power line to charge or power equipment.
>When connected to a power grid which produces more power than is consumed, the batteries will start charging up. Batteries charge at 50% efficiency, which means that only half of the available surplus energy counts towards charging them. Batteries need a connected power line to charge or power equipment. (Added more information about battery efficiency)
-If build in larger blocks, there is a good chance that a wall connected to batteries will explode. A block with 10 batteries got shortcuted on 3th day, build them in smaller blocks of 2 batteries.
> (Cut this completely, I've never seen it, and can't find any credible source to back the claim up)
Sandbags:
-Sandbags can be placed to cover your structures, turrets, and colonists from gunfire. Raiders, colonists, squirrels, and every other unit can use these as cover, so place them in a way so enemy units cannot take advantage of your sandbags.
>Sandbags can be placed to cover your colonists from gunfire. Raiders, colonists, squirrels, and every other unit can use these as cover, so place them in a way so enemy units cannot take advantage of your sandbags. (Removed part about buildings/turrets.)
-Bullets meeting sandbags have a chance to hit the bag, and a chance to cross over it.
>(Haven't changed yet, not sure if this is true or not...anyone know?)
-{{v|{{:Version}}}} Sandbags are destroyed completely in the event of a turret explosion. Using metallic debris in place of sand bags is a much better (and free) solution, and is recycling formerly useless material to have a purpose in game. Placement of this debris can be controlled by dumping area designations. Items marked for dumping will generally be dumped at the nearest available dumping area in the nearest available open spot. Knowing this it is possible to manipulate the position of debris to have it (eventually) placed in the desired location.
The easiest way to do it is to designate a '''[[dumping area|dumping area]]''' and fill it with '''[[Rubble|rubble]]''', then sell the dumping area and haul the middle 4 rocks to another dumping area, and build the turret inside the square or rocks.
>Sandbags are destroyed completely in the event of a turret explosion.(Removed pretty much this entire entry, It's poorly written, confusing, and somewhat outdated.)
Cover:
-Rubble, in combination with a dumping area, can easily give a turret some extra protection for free!<br/>
(New Alpha version)
* First place the turret blueprint
* Then drag a dumping zone around the turret
* Designate the desired amount of rubble to be hauled
* Wait for the rubble be hauled
* (optional, leave a 1x1 empty space next to the turret where a colonist can repair it while still being in cover)
>Rubble, in combination with a dumping area, can provide a free alternative to sandbag emplacements in the early game when Metal is scarce.<br/>
* Create a Dumping zone in the desired shape. (Typically a 1 square thick wall)
* Designate the desired amount of rubble to be hauled
* Wait for the rubble be hauled
* Place Colonists behind Rock wall for cover during a Firefight.(Removed all references to Turrets gaining or benefiting from cover.)
-(Old version, what version number?)<br/>
First designate a dumping area where you want your turret to be, then mark 16 rocks to be hauled to the area, when it is filed sell the dumping area and mark the middle 4 rocks to be hauled again but to another dumping area (designate a new area somewhere if you must), then build a turret inside the resulting square of rocks.
>(Removed, superfluous)
EDIT* I gave up on the detailed change log, the time could be better spent actually fixing/updating the wiki I've decided. The to do list has been moved to the OP and is the only thing I'll be updating.
@HatesYourFace, could you keep an updated "Needs to be done list" in your OP? It'll be tough to keep track of the to-do's if they're scattered all over the thread. And I'll pitch in when I have time. I'm familiar enough with wiki formatting to be at least somewhat helpful.
Quote from: milon on August 13, 2014, 01:24:23 PM
@HatesYourFace, could you keep an updated "Needs to be done list" in your OP? It'll be tough to keep track of the to-do's if they're scattered all over the thread. And I'll pitch in when I have time. I'm familiar enough with wiki formatting to be at least somewhat helpful.
Good idea, thanks for the help man!
It would be ideal to put the 'needs to be done list' on a separate wiki page, so that other people can access it as well and tick off the things they do themselves.
Quote from: Rahjital on August 13, 2014, 01:39:39 PM
It would be ideal to put the 'needs to be done list' on a separate wiki page, so that other people can access it as well and tick off the things they do themselves.
I can't edit the Main page so...I'm not really sure where to put it on the Wiki, But that is a good idea.
Ideally it would be a page that would be only linked to in your OP, since it's only related to wiki-editing and not the game itself.
As a current lead wiki moderator for another company using mediawiki too, I'll be helping on this one as much as I can (which is ... Pretty much anything).
I'll also create some templates pages and explanations on how to use them to make the pages look better and easier to edit/add/remove.
Quote from: Rahjital on August 13, 2014, 02:00:14 PM
Ideally it would be a page that would be only linked to in your OP, since it's only related to wiki-editing and not the game itself.
You mean like make a new wiki page? I don't really know how to do that yet...lol. The past hour or so has literally been my first experience with editing a wiki, I usually just read them!
Quote from: DarkGhost on August 13, 2014, 02:10:47 PM
As a current lead wiki moderator for another company using mediawiki too, I'll be helping on this one as much as I can (which is ... Pretty much anything).
I'll also create some templates pages and explanations on how to use them to make the pages look better and easier to edit/add/remove.
The wiki also really needs new info boxes for the weapons if that's something you know how to do? As the current ones use the old stat system for the guns. I tried messing with them but I couldn't get it to work the way I wanted. Whenever I changed a value or a Stat name it just disappeared? Awesome of you to help!
Quote from: HatesYourFace on August 13, 2014, 02:16:34 PM
Quote from: DarkGhost on August 13, 2014, 02:10:47 PM
As a current lead wiki moderator for another company using mediawiki too, I'll be helping on this one as much as I can (which is ... Pretty much anything).
I'll also create some templates pages and explanations on how to use them to make the pages look better and easier to edit/add/remove.
The wiki also really needs new info boxes for the weapons if that's something you know how to do, as the current ones use the old stat system for the guns. I tried messing with them but I couldn't get it to work the way I wanted. Whenever I changed a value or a Stat name it just disappeared? Thanks a ton for the help!
Infoboxes are, in fact, templates themselves called infobox and included as a default template. :P
I'll either try to fix the current infobox template, either create my own and use it, depending on which looks better.
Edit :
Guess you want them to look like this ?
http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Single_shot
For the thumbnail failure, I'll check what's wrong and either fix or PM Tynan on how to fix it.
Quote from: DarkGhost on August 13, 2014, 02:27:24 PM
Infoboxes are, in fact, templates themselves called infobox and included as a default template. :P
I'll either try to fix the current infobox template, either create my own and use it, depending on which looks better.
You Sir, are a gentleman and a scholar! Nice to have an expert on the case!
if you can make the thing easier to understand what is being edited i'd help too, as it stands i don't understand a word of it :D
Quote from: HatesYourFace on August 13, 2014, 02:33:33 PM
Quote from: DarkGhost on August 13, 2014, 02:27:24 PM
Infoboxes are, in fact, templates themselves called infobox and included as a default template. :P
I'll either try to fix the current infobox template, either create my own and use it, depending on which looks better.
You Sir, are a gentleman and a scholar! Nice to have an expert on the case!
Ok, understood the way it's used on this wiki.
If you ever want to change the infos in the infobox, go to the item's page itself, not where it is used.
Example :
You want to change T9 blablabla infos there ? http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Single_shot
Then you go there : http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/T9_Incendiary_Launcher/en
(Don't forget the /en, as it's the /en translation that's used on the main wiki)
You can just write the name next to the wiki/, the browser will find the correct page itself then go to the /en by adding /en at the end.
Quote from: DarkGhost on August 13, 2014, 02:27:24 PM
Quote from: HatesYourFace on August 13, 2014, 02:16:34 PM
Quote from: DarkGhost on August 13, 2014, 02:10:47 PM
As a current lead wiki moderator for another company using mediawiki too, I'll be helping on this one as much as I can (which is ... Pretty much anything).
I'll also create some templates pages and explanations on how to use them to make the pages look better and easier to edit/add/remove.
The wiki also really needs new info boxes for the weapons if that's something you know how to do, as the current ones use the old stat system for the guns. I tried messing with them but I couldn't get it to work the way I wanted. Whenever I changed a value or a Stat name it just disappeared? Thanks a ton for the help!
Infoboxes are, in fact, templates themselves called infobox and included as a default template. :P
I'll either try to fix the current infobox template, either create my own and use it, depending on which looks better.
Edit :
Guess you want them to look like this ?
http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Single_shot
For the thumbnail failure, I'll check what's wrong and either fix or PM Tynan on how to fix it.
Yeah the look is fine, but we just need the new stats in there like warm up time, cool down time, the 4 different accuracy percentages at range. The overview page http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Weapons has the correct stat groups for example. My problem basically was that I couldn't add new columns to the info box to cover the new stats guns have, I could alter it's current stats inside the current parameters. IE. I could change its Accuracy score from 5 to 7 for example but I couldn't rename Accuracy to something else or add a new column for warm up time or cool down time.
Quote from: fernbhoy on August 13, 2014, 02:35:55 PM
if you can make the thing easier to understand what is being edited i'd help too, as it stands i don't understand a word of it :D
I thought the list was pretty clear but really anything that is missing/wrong is being edited. I'm just making a list of the things I see/come across for my own personal sanity (I can't stand forgetting things). Feel free to make your own list or just go find things and fix them!
Whoa, look at all that recent activity! Now I feel bad for promising to help and not doing anything yet :P
Random tip for finding work needed on the wiki: the special pages (http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Special:SpecialPages) page. For example WantedPages (http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Special:WantedPages) lists all the pages that there are links to, but the page is blank.
oh i'm not on about your list, i'm on about the wiki itself :D
i tried to add Deer to the animals list and had no idea where to start
Quote from: fernbhoy on August 13, 2014, 03:09:24 PM
oh i'm not on about your list, i'm on about the wiki itself :D
i tried to add Deer to the animals list and had no idea where to start
Oh lol, well I don't really know much about wiki's myself either, we shall have to learn as we go and do what we can!
Quote from: HatesYourFace on August 13, 2014, 02:37:31 PMIE. I could change its Accuracy score from 5 to 7 for example but I couldn't rename Accuracy to something else or add a new column for warm up time or cool down time.
Tried to add new columns too by adding it the way it should work, but somehow, it's protected or not using the same template ... I'll look further into this, as it's totally pretty weird.
Guess creating my own template out of that one would go faster, too.
Quote from: cyanpill on August 13, 2014, 03:09:18 PM
Whoa, look at all that recent activity! Now I feel bad for promising to help and not doing anything yet :P
Random tip for finding work needed on the wiki: the special pages (http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Special:SpecialPages) page. For example WantedPages (http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Special:WantedPages) lists all the pages that there are links to, but the page is blank.
Awesome tip, that'll make finding missing articles a lot easier!
Quote from: DarkGhost on August 13, 2014, 03:14:26 PM
Quote from: HatesYourFace on August 13, 2014, 02:37:31 PMIE. I could change its Accuracy score from 5 to 7 for example but I couldn't rename Accuracy to something else or add a new column for warm up time or cool down time.
Tried to add new columns too by adding it the way it should work, but somehow, it's protected or not using the same template ... I'll look further into this, as it's totally pretty weird.
Guess creating my own template out of that one would go faster, too.
Glad I'm not the only one it gave a hard time to lol. I mean I don't know jack about editing wiki's but I consider myself a fairly smart guy most days so not being able to figure out those info boxes were peeving me right the fluff off lol. Yeah, you might be right about that... It's so borked I'm beginning to think most of it may just need to be re done.
started redoing the animal table, need to find out how you get the stats (if anyone knows you'll save me a headache)
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Tables
might me worth a read
Quote from: HatesYourFace on August 13, 2014, 03:19:44 PM
Quote from: DarkGhost on August 13, 2014, 03:14:26 PM
Quote from: HatesYourFace on August 13, 2014, 02:37:31 PMIE. I could change its Accuracy score from 5 to 7 for example but I couldn't rename Accuracy to something else or add a new column for warm up time or cool down time.
Tried to add new columns too by adding it the way it should work, but somehow, it's protected or not using the same template ... I'll look further into this, as it's totally pretty weird.
Guess creating my own template out of that one would go faster, too.
Glad I'm not the only one it gave a hard time to lol. I mean I don't know jack about editing wiki's but I consider myself a fairly smart guy most days so not being able to figure out those info boxes were peeving me right the fluff off lol. Yeah, you might be right about that... It's so borked I'm beginning to think most of it may just need to be re done.
I'll be working on the new template abit today and this weekend as I won't be free tomorrow and Friday for some reasons. (Friends coming, cousins too, bla bla bla ... They call that holidays ...)
Quote from: fernbhoy on August 13, 2014, 03:31:46 PM
started redoing the animal table, need to find out how you get the stats (if anyone knows you'll save me a headache
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Tables
might me worth a read
I'll take a look at animal tables too. Was concentrated on that weapon issue.
Quote from: DarkGhost on August 13, 2014, 03:33:20 PM
Quote from: HatesYourFace on August 13, 2014, 03:19:44 PM
Quote from: DarkGhost on August 13, 2014, 03:14:26 PM
Quote from: HatesYourFace on August 13, 2014, 02:37:31 PMIE. I could change its Accuracy score from 5 to 7 for example but I couldn't rename Accuracy to something else or add a new column for warm up time or cool down time.
Tried to add new columns too by adding it the way it should work, but somehow, it's protected or not using the same template ... I'll look further into this, as it's totally pretty weird.
Guess creating my own template out of that one would go faster, too.
Glad I'm not the only one it gave a hard time to lol. I mean I don't know jack about editing wiki's but I consider myself a fairly smart guy most days so not being able to figure out those info boxes were peeving me right the fluff off lol. Yeah, you might be right about that... It's so borked I'm beginning to think most of it may just need to be re done.
I'll be working on the new template abit today and this weekend as I won't be free tomorrow and Friday for some reasons. (Friends coming, cousins too, bla bla bla ... They call that holidays ...)
Quote from: fernbhoy on August 13, 2014, 03:31:46 PM
started redoing the animal table, need to find out how you get the stats (if anyone knows you'll save me a headache
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Tables
might me worth a read
I'll take a look at animal tables too. Was concentrated on that weapon issue.
No rush man, appreciate all the work (I'm sure Tynan and all the RimWorld users do to). Enjoy the holiday!
Right done a quick update to the Animals table (it's a bit easier to understand now to for future edits, need to figure out how to find some of the stats that aren't shown in game though
Quote from: fernbhoy on August 13, 2014, 03:44:53 PM
Right done a quick update to the Animals table (it's a bit easier to understand now to for future edits, need to figure out how to find some of the stats that aren't shown in game though
Nice work! I know they are in the game files somewhere but I couldn't find them myself. Perhaps some righteous and awesome forum goer can point us in the right direction?
Well while i wait on a hero, i'm just updating the version history.
Quote from: fernbhoy on August 13, 2014, 03:57:20 PM
Well while i wait on a hero, i'm just updating the version history.
Important if unglamorous work. Truly, the unsung heroes are the bravest!
Quote from: HatesYourFace on August 13, 2014, 03:46:37 PM
Quote from: fernbhoy on August 13, 2014, 03:44:53 PM
Right done a quick update to the Animals table (it's a bit easier to understand now to for future edits, need to figure out how to find some of the stats that aren't shown in game though
Nice work! I know they are in the game files somewhere but I couldn't find them myself. Perhaps some righteous and awesome forum goer can point us in the right direction?
Look in Mods/Core/Defs/PawnKindsDefs and Mods/Core/Defs/ThingDefs/Races_Animals.xml
No fair Ty, you're already a hero :D
cheers
http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Single_shot
New template done for weapons.
Mind give me your opinion before I do the rest of weapons pages the same way ?
Can't seem to upload any images to the wiki, I wanted to at least get a RimWorld logo on the front page, it's so bland and ugly. Was thinking one of the more common ones:
(http://s13.postimg.org/5baxd89jr/rimworldlogo.png)
(Plain and white, very simple, matches the sparseness of the front page well...but not sure how well it will show up.)
(http://s15.postimg.org/pb9tp78xn/kb_Vpz_XM.png)
(A touch colorful perhaps but I've always loved this background)
(http://s4.postimg.org/le6u5o6y5/photo_main.jpg)
(The classic base behind logo, might be too busy though.)
Quote from: DarkGhost on August 13, 2014, 04:31:52 PM
http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Single_shot
New template done for weapons.
Mind give me your opinion before I do the rest of weapons pages the same way ?
That's great man! Maybe the red background with black text is a touch harsh on the eyes but that could just be me.
Quote from: HatesYourFace on August 13, 2014, 04:34:22 PM
Quote from: DarkGhost on August 13, 2014, 04:31:52 PM
http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Single_shot
New template done for weapons.
Mind give me your opinion before I do the rest of weapons pages the same way ?
That's great man! Maybe the red background with black text is a touch harsh on the eyes but that could just be me.
I ain't a good person about styles, just did it more or less the same way as the other one is.
Which color/Text color would fit in your eyes ?
About the upload issue, it's surely related to the thumbnail error that shows up everywhere. I'll put my nose over there this weekend.
Quote from: DarkGhost on August 13, 2014, 04:36:57 PM
Quote from: HatesYourFace on August 13, 2014, 04:34:22 PM
Quote from: DarkGhost on August 13, 2014, 04:31:52 PM
http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Single_shot
New template done for weapons.
Mind give me your opinion before I do the rest of weapons pages the same way ?
That's great man! Maybe the red background with black text is a touch harsh on the eyes but that could just be me.
I ain't a good person about styles, just did it more or less the same way as the other one is.
Which color/Text color would fit in your eyes ?
About the upload issue, it's surely related to the thumbnail error that shows up everywhere. I'll put my nose over there this weekend.
I don't see anything wrong with what he had; the white text on red background, it's vibrant and eye catching, contrasts the blue nicely, Idk...Just stick with that for now. Until someone decides on an over all theme for the page no sense in getting too worried over it.
Could we use an external link from like an image hosting site until we get embedded files working? Or is that a no-no?
Quote from: HatesYourFace on August 13, 2014, 04:43:15 PM
Quote from: DarkGhost on August 13, 2014, 04:36:57 PM
Quote from: HatesYourFace on August 13, 2014, 04:34:22 PM
Quote from: DarkGhost on August 13, 2014, 04:31:52 PM
http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Single_shot
New template done for weapons.
Mind give me your opinion before I do the rest of weapons pages the same way ?
That's great man! Maybe the red background with black text is a touch harsh on the eyes but that could just be me.
I ain't a good person about styles, just did it more or less the same way as the other one is.
Which color/Text color would fit in your eyes ?
About the upload issue, it's surely related to the thumbnail error that shows up everywhere. I'll put my nose over there this weekend.
I don't see anything wrong with what he had; the white text on red background, it's vibrant and eye catching, contrasts the blue nicely, Idk...Just stick with that for now. Until someone decides on an over all theme for the page no sense in getting too worried over it.
Could we use an external link from like an image hosting site until we get embedded files working? Or is that a no-no?
Letting it to red/white then.
About external images, by default it's unallowed in mediawiki for security reasons and all those silly background work stuffs.
Tynan ? Would you allow it for now ? If yes it's under "$wgAllowExternalImages".
anyone figured out how to edit the versions table on the far right of http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Version#Complete_Version_List
can't edit it so all the data is still showing as up to date from alpha 5D
Quote from: fernbhoy on August 13, 2014, 05:06:18 PM
anyone figured out how to edit the versions table on the far right of http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Version#Complete_Version_List
can't edit it so all the data is still showing as up to date from alpha 5D
A lot of the tables seem oddly hard to modify or locked in some way, I think DarkGhost is working on figuring it out.
sounds like a good point to take a break then :D
Quote from: fernbhoy on August 13, 2014, 05:13:19 PM
sounds like a good point to take a break then :D
Agreed! Lol. ; D I think it's time for an adult beverage, wiki editing is thirsty work.
Weapons tables done and entirely up to date.
Missing weapons tables will be done this weekend (pilas and all, the orange line at the middle of OP)
Continuing this weekend.
Updated front page! Fantastic work man, this literally wouldn't have gotten done with out you. Lol.
On an unrelated note, I'm looking at the front page and I hate the way it's organized, it should flow then same way it does in the game. Ie. If its under the Production tab in game it should be there in the wiki. (The Nutrient paste dispenser is a good example, it's in buildings...which doesn't make a lot of sense, it has to be in a building to keep it out of the rain, how can it be a building?) Also, we should prolly decide on a standard format for the boxes on each page leading to the sup pages since they are all different and it looks weird. If I have time tomorrow I'll try to work on some more stuff.
Confession: I was supposed to be the one in charge of modding resources. I laid the groundwork and everything and started the first two tutorials, but it was hard to maintain because of school and everything (there are only 24 hours a day, which is a technical limitation. I filed it as a bug, but the ticket was closed under "won't fix"). :-\
Quote from: longbyte1 on August 13, 2014, 07:12:25 PM
Confession: I was supposed to be the one in charge of modding resources. I laid the groundwork and everything and started the first two tutorials, but it was hard to maintain because of school and everything (there are only 24 hours a day, which is a technical limitation. I filed it as a bug, but the ticket was closed under "won't fix"). :-\
You do what you can, every little bit helps. Helping a little bit is better than not helping at all!
Traits page is done.
If anyone knows how to make large headings without creating a "Contents" box at the top, feel free to change it. It's not a big deal, it's just unnecessary.
Quote from: Damien Hart on August 14, 2014, 12:06:09 AM
Traits page is done.
If anyone knows how to make large headings without creating a "Contents" box at the top, feel free to change it. It's not a big deal, it's just unnecessary.
Use '''blablabla''' or ===blablabla===
More or less signs changes the header level.
Not only does it change the header level, but it should also auto-gen the Contents box at the top for you. ;)
Quote from: Damien Hart on August 14, 2014, 12:06:09 AM
Traits page is done.
If anyone knows how to make large headings without creating a "Contents" box at the top, feel free to change it. It's not a big deal, it's just unnecessary.
Big thanks Damien! I shall update ze list! Looks really good man, seriously! I love it: http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Traits
Quote from: milon on August 14, 2014, 06:50:17 AM
Not only does it change the header level, but it should also auto-gen the Contents box at the top for you. ;)
Yeah I know it generates it, that's what I didn't want - it's just not necessary for that particular page, but the headings worked well to break up the list. I found it on google anyway though.
Cheers HatesYourFace. ;D
I'll take care of the research page next.
Quote from: Damien Hart on August 14, 2014, 08:16:51 AM
Quote from: milon on August 14, 2014, 06:50:17 AM
Not only does it change the header level, but it should also auto-gen the Contents box at the top for you. ;)
Yeah I know it generates it, that's what I didn't want - it's just not necessary for that particular page, but the headings worked well to break up the list. I found it on google anyway though.
Cheers HatesYourFace. ;D
I'll take care of the research page next.
Awesome, it's in serious need of some loving. Community Powah! We get stuff done.
Dark Ghost, Fernbhoy, HatesYourFace
I'm going to name my first three colonists after you
just for what you've done on the wiki =P
I mean you sure don't deserve to get your legs torn off by stray bullets and have your arms poorly knitted back together
and possibly end up dead in a burning ditch somewhere at the remains of my burning colony
But atleast I can now trust the wiki bit more!
Really appreciated =P
Quote from: Shinzy on August 14, 2014, 11:13:13 AM
Dark Ghost, Fernbhoy, HatesYourFace
I'm going to name my first three colonists after you
just for what you've done on the wiki =P
I mean you sure don't deserve to get your legs torn off by stray bullets and have your arms poorly knitted back together
and possibly end up dead in a burning ditch somewhere at the remains of my burning colony
But atleast I can now trust the wiki bit more!
Really appreciated =P
Lol, I have one request, If I become a vegetable I want you to burn me on a log pyre like a warrior king! Ideally all the other colonists will be present to mourn my passing quietly, take pictures! Lol.
Quote from: HatesYourFace on August 14, 2014, 11:32:45 AM
Quote from: Shinzy on August 14, 2014, 11:13:13 AM
Dark Ghost, Fernbhoy, HatesYourFace
I'm going to name my first three colonists after you
just for what you've done on the wiki =P
I mean you sure don't deserve to get your legs torn off by stray bullets and have your arms poorly knitted back together
and possibly end up dead in a burning ditch somewhere at the remains of my burning colony
But atleast I can now trust the wiki bit more!
Really appreciated =P
Lol, I have one request, If I become a vegetable I want you to burn me on a log pyre like a warrior king! Ideally all the other colonists will be present to mourn my passing quietly, take pictures! Lol.
Will do =P I probably end up forgetting to take any screens but there's the first
You all seem to be huge beatles fans judging by your hairstyles
Now I'm off to play!
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Quote from: Shinzy on August 14, 2014, 11:46:40 AM
Will do =P I probably end up forgetting to take any screens but there's the first
You all seem to be huge beatles fans judging by your hairstyles
Now I'm off to play!
Lol...Starforce cadet, Ace fighter pilot, Iron-willed.
I want that on my tombstone.
Irl.
Did quite a bit of work on the wiki today, mostly basic pages, links, deleting old/incorrect entries. Just sort of laying the foundation pages for others to come in and jazz up with some tables and stuff since that's all I'm really qualified to do lol. (And just barely I might add, I've gotten by so far via trial and error, process of elimination, and copy/paste!)
Just wanted to say I really appreciate everyone's help/hard work so far, even if you just popped in to fix one small thing. We have an awesome community here.
An especially big shout out to Fernbhoy and DarkGhost, my partners in crime lol...and of course Tynan for helping us find some elusive game files/wiki backend stuff/making the game in the first place.
It's starting to shape up but there is still a lot to do, no rest for the wicked!
Quote from: Damien Hart on August 14, 2014, 08:16:51 AM
Quote from: milon on August 14, 2014, 06:50:17 AM
Not only does it change the header level, but it should also auto-gen the Contents box at the top for you. ;)
Yeah I know it generates it, that's what I didn't want - it's just not necessary for that particular page, but the headings worked well to break up the list. I found it on google anyway though.
Cheers HatesYourFace. ;D
I'll take care of the research page next.
To avoid the table of content, just add the notoc tag. Just forgot how to properly write it, sorry, am on my phone till this weekend.
Quote from: DarkGhost on August 14, 2014, 06:45:07 PM
To avoid the table of content, just add the notoc tag. Just forgot how to properly write it, sorry, am on my phone till this weekend.
Thanks for the tip, I'm debating getting rid of them or not. On the one hand they aren't hurting anything by being there, but on the other, most of the pages don't have enough info to really warrant them. Opinions?
Hi, I added a lengthy article on the Alpha 6 Health system: http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Health
Sorry about the boring format, I'm not really great at formatting in general.
Quote from: ZestyLemons on August 14, 2014, 09:11:18 PM
Hi, I added a lengthy article on the Alpha 6 Health system: http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Health
Sorry about the boring format, I'm not really great at formatting in general.
Great job man! It looks like a million bucks! Don't sell yourself short, that was a lot of work, I linked it on the main page in the Characters section and I'm crediting you in the to do list. Basic info is a huge step up from no info, If we had a couple more guys like you we'd be basically done by now! For real, thanks man. (Holy friggin' eff' man! Was just looking at the recent changes page on the wiki, your Health article is +14,381 bytes, that's the single biggest change on the wiki by a huge margin!, the next biggest addition (for comparison) is 2,982 bytes.) You're my hero. <3
Research page is finished. I have it down that multiple research benches stack, though I've never really tested it - if that's not true, let me know and I'll change it.
http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Research (http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Research)
Quote from: DarkGhost on August 14, 2014, 06:45:07 PM
Quote from: Damien Hart on August 14, 2014, 08:16:51 AM
Quote from: milon on August 14, 2014, 06:50:17 AM
Not only does it change the header level, but it should also auto-gen the Contents box at the top for you. ;)
Yeah I know it generates it, that's what I didn't want - it's just not necessary for that particular page, but the headings worked well to break up the list. I found it on google anyway though.
Cheers HatesYourFace. ;D
I'll take care of the research page next.
To avoid the table of content, just add the notoc tag. Just forgot how to properly write it, sorry, am on my phone till this weekend.
All good, I found out how to scale text for the titles anyway. ;D
Quote from: Damien Hart on August 14, 2014, 10:10:50 PM
Research page is finished. I have it down that multiple research benches stack, though I've never really tested it - if that's not true, let me know and I'll change it.
http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Research (http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Research)
Great work as always man! You are truly the master of the table, and what's a wiki without good tables? Lol...no I'm serious...Tables are everything...so shiny, so informative, so appealing! They draw the player in! Now if only we could get the images and thumbnails back!
As far as research benches stacking I'm not sure either....never bothered building more than one. I will test this tomorrow assuming no one comes forward with 1st hand experience.
Quote from: Damien Hart on August 14, 2014, 10:10:50 PM
Research page is finished. I have it down that multiple research benches stack, though I've never really tested it - if that's not true, let me know and I'll change it.
http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Research (http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Research)
Quote from: DarkGhost on August 14, 2014, 06:45:07 PM
Quote from: Damien Hart on August 14, 2014, 08:16:51 AM
Quote from: milon on August 14, 2014, 06:50:17 AM
Not only does it change the header level, but it should also auto-gen the Contents box at the top for you. ;)
Yeah I know it generates it, that's what I didn't want - it's just not necessary for that particular page, but the headings worked well to break up the list. I found it on google anyway though.
Cheers HatesYourFace. ;D
I'll take care of the research page next.
To avoid the table of content, just add the notoc tag. Just forgot how to properly write it, sorry, am on my phone till this weekend.
All good, I found out how to scale text for the titles anyway. ;D
Use
__NOTOC__ at the beginning of the page. Use
==Header== with a reasonable amount of equal signs depending on the header level (like HTML). You should always start from heading level 2 downward.
Quote from: longbyte1 on August 14, 2014, 11:24:01 PM
Use __NOTOC__ at the beginning of the page. Use ==Header== with a reasonable amount of equal signs depending on the header level (like HTML). You should always start from heading level 2 downward.
I might have been a little willy-nilly with my Headers as I was just copy/pasting, Feel free to tidy them up/make them look nicer! I won't be offended in the least lol.
Every weapons got their own page now. Just need some stuffs added like mode, class, info, a description ... Minor stuffs that anyone can do.
Need to put them under their correct class, too.
Quote from: longbyte1 on August 14, 2014, 11:24:01 PM
Quote from: Damien Hart on August 14, 2014, 10:10:50 PM
Research page is finished. I have it down that multiple research benches stack, though I've never really tested it - if that's not true, let me know and I'll change it.
http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Research (http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Research)
Quote from: DarkGhost on August 14, 2014, 06:45:07 PM
Quote from: Damien Hart on August 14, 2014, 08:16:51 AM
Quote from: milon on August 14, 2014, 06:50:17 AM
Not only does it change the header level, but it should also auto-gen the Contents box at the top for you. ;)
Yeah I know it generates it, that's what I didn't want - it's just not necessary for that particular page, but the headings worked well to break up the list. I found it on google anyway though.
Cheers HatesYourFace. ;D
I'll take care of the research page next.
To avoid the table of content, just add the notoc tag. Just forgot how to properly write it, sorry, am on my phone till this weekend.
All good, I found out how to scale text for the titles anyway. ;D
Use __NOTOC__ at the beginning of the page. Use ==Header== with a reasonable amount of equal signs depending on the header level (like HTML). You should always start from heading level 2 downward.
Awesome, I'll have to remember that next time.
Cheers longbyte1.
Hey, there's two "animals" pages:
http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Animals/en
http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Animals <- This one is linked on the front page, but the one above has a nicer table is actually catagorized properly.
Quote from: ZestyLemons on August 15, 2014, 05:30:23 PM
Hey, there's two "animals" pages:
http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Animals/en
http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Animals <- This one is linked on the front page, but the one above has a nicer table is actually catagorized properly.
Fixed. :3
Also definitively fixed the weird languages pages previously linked on the mainpage and forced to be placed in /en.
Animals and Animals/en are still technically their own, separate pages.
Also, how do you add stuff to navboxs? I don't really have a clue, I just wanted to add the rest of the current animals to the Animals navbox.
Quote from: ZestyLemons on August 15, 2014, 06:01:03 PM
Animals and Animals/en are still technically their own, separate pages.
Also, how do you add stuff to navboxs? I don't really have a clue, I just wanted to add the rest of the current animals to the Animals navbox.
Navboxes templates were edited by that previous manager who created a HUUUUUUGE mess in the mediawiki templates making it messy to edit ... I'll sneak around and find which page has to be edited.
EDIT :
Found it.
http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Template:Nav/animals
http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Template:Nav/en for any other. Just click the correct one you want to edit at the bottom.
A mess, I told you.
There's also a http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Template:Nav/animals/en
( despite there being a http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Template:Nav/animals already )
Actually I think there's an /en version of everything, this is confusing.
Either you need to get rid of all the non-en versions of everything or the other way around. Also, how does the <translate>Text here</translate> tag work? Some of the nav templates use it.
Quote from: ZestyLemons on August 15, 2014, 06:17:40 PM
There's also a http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Template:Nav/animals/en
Aaaaa
It's using the version without /en on the animals page ...
Just disregard any page with /en for now, I'll make them disappear over time.
There you go, properly using Template:nav/animals
Quote from: DarkGhost on August 15, 2014, 06:19:05 PM
It's using the version without /en on the animals page ...
Just disregard any page with /en for now, I'll make them disappear over time.
There you go, properly using Template:nav/animals
The link to the Structure section on the main page was linking to a page in the wrong language so I pointed it at the /en one as a temporary solution, please feel free to fix it! (And yeah, what a mess huh? That guy was all over the place...)
whoever made my animals table nice and pretty, thanks :D
Dark, you any idea how to edit the releases box to the right of http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Version#Complete_Version_List
Quote from: fernbhoy on August 15, 2014, 08:15:25 PM
whoever made my animals table nice and pretty, thanks :D
Dark, you any idea how to edit the releases box to the right of http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Version#Complete_Version_List
You're welcome, although credit really goes to whoever made the animals/en page. I just found it.
Anyway, I'm starting to get some of the armor statistics on the wiki:
http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Armor - Brand new
http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Clothing - Moved from 'Clothes' to 'Clothing'.
I don't think we need a separate wiki page for hats. They're should either be in the armor or clothing section.
Quote from: ZestyLemons on August 15, 2014, 06:17:40 PM
There's also a http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Template:Nav/animals/en
( despite there being a http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Template:Nav/animals already )
Actually I think there's an /en version of everything, this is confusing.
Either you need to get rid of all the non-en versions of everything or the other way around. Also, how does the <translate>Text here</translate> tag work? Some of the nav templates use it.
This was originally a system utilized by a plugin for making the wiki multilingual, but it was having some problems (at one point, we were locked out of editing), so Tynan removed it.
We seem to be having some problems again:
Error creating thumbnail: Unable to save thumbnail to destination is displayed in some image previews and templates.
Let me know what I need to do to fix the thumbnail issue. May be a plugin/config issue.
Quote from: Tynan on August 15, 2014, 11:04:23 PM
Let me know what I need to do to fix the thumbnail issue. May be a plugin/config issue.
I've never hosted MediaWiki, but a quick search shows that it may use ImageMagick. Turn that off maybe?
It could be something technical though, in which case I have absolutely no idea about. Also double check permissions and disk space, something could have borked or thumbnails may have hogged all of the disk space (which is highly unlikely).
(funny thing is that the RW wiki appears on the second page of the query)
Made the gear page all nice and transclusion-y.
http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Gear
Added an article about pain, sectioning up the Health page:
http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Pain
Added an article about injury, again sectioning up the Health page. It has a nice table and everything!
http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Injury
I'll try to continue to organize and clean up the health articles. I'll also probably move the damage models somewhere else so they can be referenced on the health page and also the appropriate pawn's page.
Also on another important note, the navbox styling for Animals seems to be broken, it doesn't work for more than one line: http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Animals
I dunno how to edit the styles (or if I even can).
Also, I marked a bunch of duplicate pages and moved a lot of them for caps fixing.
Quote from: ZestyLemons on August 16, 2014, 05:50:19 AM
Also on another important note, the navbox styling for Animals seems to be broken, it doesn't work for more than one line: http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Animals
I dunno how to edit the styles (or if I even can).
Also, I marked a bunch of duplicate pages and moved a lot of them for caps fixing.
The navbox was done by a previous guy who made it entirely messy and sort of "blocked", somehow.
I'll be working on new nav bars and stuffs when I got time.
About the version page, I'll check it too, seems the same problem, blocked like hell.
Quote from: DarkGhost on August 16, 2014, 07:44:22 AM
The navbox was done by a previous guy who made it entirely messy and sort of "blocked", somehow.
AcDie (http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/User:AcDie)? Yeah... he contributed a lot to the wiki, but he left a big mess behind.
Quote from: longbyte1 on August 16, 2014, 01:58:54 PM
Quote from: DarkGhost on August 16, 2014, 07:44:22 AM
The navbox was done by a previous guy who made it entirely messy and sort of "blocked", somehow.
AcDie (http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/User:AcDie)? Yeah... he contributed a lot to the wiki, but he left a big mess behind.
Big mess including deleting the pre-made templates ... Hopefully Tynan recovered it. :p
Quote from: ZestyLemons on August 16, 2014, 05:50:19 AM
lso, I marked a bunch of duplicate pages and moved a lot of them for caps fixing.
I wrote them as they appear in the actual game, which is with only the first word capitalized. But I suppose it doesn't really matter either way.
Quote from: HatesYourFace on August 16, 2014, 04:27:53 PM
Quote from: ZestyLemons on August 16, 2014, 05:50:19 AM
lso, I marked a bunch of duplicate pages and moved a lot of them for caps fixing.
I wrote them as they appear in the actual game, which is with only the first word capitalized. But I suppose it doesn't really matter either way.
Yeah sorry, I assumed that they were cap'd in the game but I guess they're not. For the sake of looks though, it's better to capitalize them in my opinion, though it's not the most serious issue we have right now.
On the bright side, I fixed the animal nav box! It was a tiny, tiny mistake:
--> animal = <dl><p class="text-center">{{TNT|nav/animals}}</p></dl>
I have no idea why there's a <p></p> wrapping it since it's the ONLY navbox that had it. Removing it fixes the formatting
For future reference, I found this under the following pages:
http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Template:Nav and it's weird translation page duplicate
http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Template:Nav/en
Quote from: ZestyLemons on August 16, 2014, 04:50:42 PM
For future reference, I found this under the following pages:
http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Template:Nav and it's weird translation page duplicate
http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Template:Nav/en
Good work finding it, so tiny you wouldn't notice it.
Also, don't mind the /en page anymore, did my best to don't use it anymore at all.
Quote from: DarkGhost on August 16, 2014, 05:17:35 PM
Quote from: ZestyLemons on August 16, 2014, 04:50:42 PM
For future reference, I found this under the following pages:
http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Template:Nav and it's weird translation page duplicate
http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Template:Nav/en
Good work finding it, so tiny you wouldn't notice it.
Also, don't mind the /en page anymore, did my best to don't use it anymore at all.
What about the <translate> tags? Do we remove those, or do we ask Tynan to get a script to make those invisible?
Quote from: longbyte1 on August 16, 2014, 06:12:39 PM
Quote from: DarkGhost on August 16, 2014, 05:17:35 PM
Quote from: ZestyLemons on August 16, 2014, 04:50:42 PM
For future reference, I found this under the following pages:
http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Template:Nav and it's weird translation page duplicate
http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Template:Nav/en
Good work finding it, so tiny you wouldn't notice it.
Also, don't mind the /en page anymore, did my best to don't use it anymore at all.
What about the <translate> tags? Do we remove those, or do we ask Tynan to get a script to make those invisible?
The translation plugin was scrapped, I guess toss it for now.
Pages also need to stop using the TNTN nav boxes since they're also part of the translation plugin which was removed.
Quote from: ZestyLemons on August 16, 2014, 06:50:38 PM
Quote from: longbyte1 on August 16, 2014, 06:12:39 PM
Quote from: DarkGhost on August 16, 2014, 05:17:35 PM
Quote from: ZestyLemons on August 16, 2014, 04:50:42 PM
For future reference, I found this under the following pages:
http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Template:Nav and it's weird translation page duplicate
http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Template:Nav/en
Good work finding it, so tiny you wouldn't notice it.
Also, don't mind the /en page anymore, did my best to don't use it anymore at all.
What about the <translate> tags? Do we remove those, or do we ask Tynan to get a script to make those invisible?
The translation plugin was scrapped, I guess toss it for now.
Pages also need to stop using the TNTN nav boxes since they're also part of the translation plugin which was removed.
^As he said.
About the translation system, there are better plugins requiring abit more work but relying ALOT less on scripts, making them totally efficient.
Will depend if it's needed ... or not.
Yeah, I'm beginning the long work of removing a lot of the TNTN stuff.
After I'm finished all that stuff, I'll add in some sample templates for pages so we can have a more consistent style for things.
Edit: I cleaned up a lot, and have started to standardize the infoboxes for articles. Animals, plants, and weapons should be mostly done and up-to-date. It'd be great if you could get that thumbnail plugin working though.
Thumbnail ain't a plug-in, it's part of the core.
Incoming main page update. You'll love it
Quote from: DarkGhost on August 17, 2014, 05:07:32 AM
Thumbnail ain't a plug-in, it's part of the core.
Incoming main page update. You'll love it
Oh, that's actually kinda worse. Hope someone can figure out why it's broken.
Update hype though.
is it not worth starting from scratch and just copying the content over?
Quote from: fernbhoy on August 17, 2014, 07:39:42 AM
is it not worth starting from scratch and just copying the content over?
I don't know a lot about the back end stuff but it looks fairly well borked, idk if it's more work to fix it or re make it?
I'll ask the localsettings file to Tynan and fix whatever is totally wrong or unoptimized. Guess those few years having fun at backend work are paying back finally.
Quote from: fernbhoy on August 17, 2014, 07:39:42 AM
is it not worth starting from scratch and just copying the content over?
I guess it's viable at this point, there's only 800-some articles (some of which are just translations of other articles, and a lot of which aren't used anymore).
I'd still rather try to get the pictures/thumbnails fixed and just continue improving. It's the only real roadblock at the moment since I've fixed a lot of pages relying on the translation plugin.
Quote from: ZestyLemons on August 17, 2014, 03:41:29 PM
Quote from: fernbhoy on August 17, 2014, 07:39:42 AM
is it not worth starting from scratch and just copying the content over?
I guess it's viable at this point, there's only 800-some articles (some of which are just translations of other articles, and a lot of which aren't used anymore).
I'd still rather try to get the pictures/thumbnails fixed and just continue improving. It's the only real roadblock at the moment since I've fixed a lot of pages relying on the translation plugin.
Got the same mediawiki version as used here, installed it and thumbnails work fine. It's just a problem in the configs, not a problem in mediawiki itself.
Don't worry, be happy !
I'd also try getting the translation plugin to start cooperating again.
Quote from: longbyte1 on August 17, 2014, 09:26:23 PM
I'd also try getting the translation plugin to start cooperating again.
As said, that one fails miserably. Need a new proper one. Ain't top priority.
Quote from: DarkGhost on August 17, 2014, 09:33:23 PM
Quote from: longbyte1 on August 17, 2014, 09:26:23 PM
I'd also try getting the translation plugin to start cooperating again.
As said, that one fails miserably. Need a new proper one. Ain't top priority.
Does the official one (https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Translate) not work? Maybe it's just a problem with the config, or we need to try another version.
Quote from: longbyte1 on August 17, 2014, 10:45:06 PM
Quote from: DarkGhost on August 17, 2014, 09:33:23 PM
Quote from: longbyte1 on August 17, 2014, 09:26:23 PM
I'd also try getting the translation plugin to start cooperating again.
As said, that one fails miserably. Need a new proper one. Ain't top priority.
Does the official one (https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Translate) not work? Maybe it's just a problem with the config, or we need to try another version.
That ain't the official, it's just an extension as any other. Works the same way as Google trad.
The one I'm thinking about just add a language sidebar according to what was translated already manually.
You guys have been doing great work, Wiki is looking much improved! Wish there was more I could do to help you guys but basic stuff/motivating others is all I'm good for lol. Keep it up though, I'm sure everyone here, as well as new players looking for info really appreciate what you fellas are doing! I'm debating taking down the "To do" list, as the number of things that have been fixed/changed is growing too large to keep track of, also most of the current items are done!
New main page is up.
Thanks to Tynan for his critics, ideas, eyes and opinions.
I just have to say this progress is awesome. Thanks so much guys.
If there's anything you need me to change in LocalSettings.php or anywhere else let me know. I've tried to clean up the config as much as possible but I may have broken something with thumbnails at some point. Sorry about that.
Quote from: Tynan on August 18, 2014, 03:00:46 PM
I just have to say this progress is awesome. Thanks so much guys.
If there's anything you need me to change in LocalSettings.php or anywhere else let me know. I've tried to clean up the config as much as possible but I may have broken something with thumbnails at some point. Sorry about that.
I'll send you my copy of the LocalSettings.php which works totally fine with the same version of Mediawiki.
Just watch out for the usual SQL configs which shouldn't change, but I'm sure you know about it.
Quote from: longbyte1 on August 17, 2014, 10:45:06 PM
Quote from: DarkGhost on August 17, 2014, 09:33:23 PM
Quote from: longbyte1 on August 17, 2014, 09:26:23 PM
I'd also try getting the translation plugin to start cooperating again.
As said, that one fails miserably. Need a new proper one. Ain't top priority.
Does the official one (https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Translate) not work? Maybe it's just a problem with the config, or we need to try another version.
I think it'd be better to clean up and update the wiki before we worry about translating it. Not a lot of point if the material isn't useful.
Quote from: ZestyLemons on August 18, 2014, 03:54:58 PM
I think it'd be better to clean up and update the wiki before we worry about translating it. Not a lot of point if the material isn't useful.
I agree. I also think that it would be best to do translations relatively independently, in Wikipedia style. As far as I can tell, on that site, the only links between translation subdomains are where you can see the same article in other languages.
Image uploading and thumbnails errors fixed entirely and forever.
Who's "in charge" of/who administrates the wiki? I need to contact them about something.
Not sure if it's HatesYourFace or Tynan (or someone else), there isn't a general contact page or section.
Quote from: ZestyLemons on August 18, 2014, 07:29:23 PM
Who's "in charge" of/who administrates the wiki? I need to contact them about something.
Not sure if it's HatesYourFace or Tynan (or someone else), there isn't a general contact page or section.
Tynan, with the cooperation of everyone deciding the way it goes, as I told you ...
Quote from: DarkGhost on August 18, 2014, 04:41:57 PM
Image uploading and thumbnails errors fixed entirely and forever.
Yay! :D
Can we get the community portal/village pump page on the sidebar? It's not even on the main page, and it needs some attention.
Quote from: longbyte1 on August 18, 2014, 07:44:30 PM
Quote from: DarkGhost on August 18, 2014, 04:41:57 PM
Image uploading and thumbnails errors fixed entirely and forever.
Yay! :D
Can we get the community portal/village pump page on the sidebar? It's not even on the main page, and it needs some attention.
What's the link to it ? :3
Quote from: DarkGhost on August 18, 2014, 07:46:57 PM
Quote from: longbyte1 on August 18, 2014, 07:44:30 PM
Quote from: DarkGhost on August 18, 2014, 04:41:57 PM
Image uploading and thumbnails errors fixed entirely and forever.
Yay! :D
Can we get the community portal/village pump page on the sidebar? It's not even on the main page, and it needs some attention.
What's the link to it ? :3
http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/RimWorld_Wiki:Community_portal (http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/RimWorld_Wiki:Community_portal)
Quote from: longbyte1 on August 18, 2014, 07:51:51 PM
http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/RimWorld_Wiki:Community_portal (http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/RimWorld_Wiki:Community_portal)
Should be done by Tynan as he's the only Sysop/Bureaucrat/admin. Regular registered users can't.
Left a message on the proper page about it.
http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/MediaWiki:Sidebar
Quote from: DarkGhost on August 18, 2014, 07:53:54 PM
Should be done by Tynan as he's the only Sysop/Bureaucrat/admin.
Which reminds me of the day when Tynan elects "community managers"... it's coming...
Quote from: longbyte1 on August 18, 2014, 07:59:34 PM
Quote from: DarkGhost on August 18, 2014, 07:53:54 PM
Should be done by Tynan as he's the only Sysop/Bureaucrat/admin.
Which reminds me of the day when Tynan elects "community managers"... it's coming...
Must be done quite fast, as we got peeps doing their own work in their corner disregarding this thread and the choice done by everyone.
Quote from: ZestyLemons on August 18, 2014, 07:29:23 PM
Who's "in charge" of/who administrates the wiki? I need to contact them about something.
Not sure if it's HatesYourFace or Tynan (or someone else), there isn't a general contact page or section.
Nope, not me. I'm not qualified lol! I'm just a RimWorld fan with too much free time and a penchant for forums. My part in this was just to bring the Wiki's current state to the attention of people who were passionate/talented enough to fix it. (Not to toot my own horn, but I'd say I was a rousing success! Because you guys did an awesome job! Lol)
I banned DarkGhost for swearing at another user on personal messages.
We shouldn't need an authority to manage such a small group. If you have a disagreement, talk with each other about it in a civil manner and come to a consensus before moving forward. If there are any issues that you're having trouble deciding, involve me please.
I noticed that the trees don't seem to be on the wiki, and I'm not sure how to go about adding them in relation to the current nav setup: http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Plants
What do you guys think? I was thinking of putting it under a new category of 'Trees', but I guess it can fit into the other sections as well.
I'd say just under plants is fine. When the list gets unmanageably large, that's when it's time to start splitting it up. But it's not too huge yet.
Quote from: ZestyLemons on August 18, 2014, 09:49:35 PM
I noticed that the trees don't seem to be on the wiki, and I'm not sure how to go about adding them in relation to the current nav setup: http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Plants
What do you guys think? I was thinking of putting it under a new category of 'Trees', but I guess it can fit into the other sections as well.
Quote from: Tynan on August 18, 2014, 09:52:40 PM
I'd say just under plants is fine. When the list gets unmanageably large, that's when it's time to start splitting it up. But it's not too huge yet.
Hmm...well Trees differ primarily from the other plants in that you can Harvest wood from them. Does that make them different enough to warrant their own page/section? I'm just worried about where we can display that info with the current plant table? Or is just having it in the detailed page of each tree good enough?
Quote from: HatesYourFace on August 18, 2014, 09:57:00 PM
Quote from: ZestyLemons on August 18, 2014, 09:49:35 PM
I noticed that the trees don't seem to be on the wiki, and I'm not sure how to go about adding them in relation to the current nav setup: http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Plants
What do you guys think? I was thinking of putting it under a new category of 'Trees', but I guess it can fit into the other sections as well.
Quote from: Tynan on August 18, 2014, 09:52:40 PM
I'd say just under plants is fine. When the list gets unmanageably large, that's when it's time to start splitting it up. But it's not too huge yet.
Hmm...well Trees differ primarily from the other plants in that you can Harvest wood from them. Does that make them different enough to warrant their own page/section? I'm just worried about where we can display that info with the current plant table? Or is just having it in the detailed page of each tree good enough?
Note sure, I leave it up to your sage judgment!
I'm not very good with tables (Cough, Zesty!...Cough Cough) but is there any way we can add Wood harvested to the current table? Could either split Food Yield column into Food/Wood yield, or add an entirely new column on the end for Wood, or just change it to Yield and indicate in each entry if it's Wood or Food. I was thinking and I'm pretty sure the Cactus gives wood as well and I'd hate to have duplicate entries in separate sections. (Ie. A Cactus in the tree section and a Cactus in the plant section) So I think Tynans right and we should try to fit them into the current plants section. Thanks in advance!
Quote from: HatesYourFace on August 18, 2014, 10:11:40 PM
I'm not very good with tables (Cough, Zesty!...Cough Cough) but is there any way we can add Wood harvested to the current table? Could either split Food Yield column into Food/Wood yield, or add an entirely new column on the end for Wood, or just change it to Yield and indicate in each entry if it's Wood or Food. I was thinking and I'm pretty sure the Cactus gives wood as well and I'd hate to have duplicate entries in separate sections. (Ie. A Cactus in the tree section and a Cactus in the plant section) So I think Tynans right and we should try to fit them into the current plants section. Thanks in advance!
Haha, fine enough, I'll add them there for now.
One more Tynan, since you're in the thread: Are you planning to post the art resources for alpha 6? Otherwise, does anyone remember extract the art out of the game? There was a thread somewhere in the modding section it, but I can't seem to find it anymore.Nevermind, I figured out that using any unity assets explorer and ImageMagic seems to work fine. I'll be adding images to the wiki soon.
Edit:Trees articles are up, and I added them to the table.
The wiki's coming along nicely guys. That main page is a lot better than the old one.
While you're doing the Alpha 6 images Zesty, could you add the charge lance, inferno cannon and the charge blaster? They need to be added on their respective pages, but there are no uploaded images for them. And on the subject of weapons, do they need to have weapon type subpages? Like with the plants, are there enough weapons to justify it? All of the info appears on the main weapons page for comparison, and on each weapon's own page, so the type pages seem kind of redundant.
Anyway, a question for you: does the wiki support watermarks? I was starting up RimWorld last night and it occurred to me that a greyscale watermark of the planet on the title screen would give a nice RimWorld theme to the wiki.
I'm going to add the event descriptions to the article, but does anyone know what the "chance" specifically refers to? It needs to have some sort of explanation but it's not something that I could find; I have some ideas, but obviously without knowing for sure, it's pointless to put something up there.
For the tables, I noticed there were a couple of different types on the wiki, do you guys want to go for a specific type for cohesion? If you do, let me know and I'll start using that.
Quote from: Damien Hart on August 19, 2014, 03:42:30 AM
The wiki's coming along nicely guys. That main page is a lot better than the old one.
While you're doing the Alpha 6 images Zesty, could you add the charge lance, inferno cannon and the charge blaster? They need to be added on their respective pages, but there are no uploaded images for them. And on the subject of weapons, do they need to have weapon type subpages? Like with the plants, are there enough weapons to justify it? All of the info appears on the main weapons page for comparison, and on each weapon's own page, so the type pages seem kind of redundant.
Anyway, a question for you: does the wiki support watermarks? I was starting up RimWorld last night and it occurred to me that a greyscale watermark of the planet on the title screen would give a nice RimWorld theme to the wiki.
I'm going to add the event descriptions to the article, but does anyone know what the "chance" specifically refers to? It needs to have some sort of explanation but it's not something that I could find; I have some ideas, but obviously without knowing for sure, it's pointless to put something up there.
For the tables, I noticed there were a couple of different types on the wiki, do you guys want to go for a specific type for cohesion? If you do, let me know and I'll start using that.
Sure, sorry about the weapons pages being really different from the others (I don't really want to bring it up here) - I'll change them back to the current Infoboxes and add pictures for them tomorrow.
Also, for the weapon categories, it doesn't really matter what they're separated into. It'd probably be better to separate them into like "Neolithic" "Grenades" and I dunno, "General/Kinetic Weapons"? At the very least the neolithic weapons are different enough to justify being separate from the rest. If anyone has better ideas for the categories though, feel free to suggest.
As for the tables, I think the most common tables are these: http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Animals http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Animals
If you want to change tables, that's probably your best bet.
Quote from: ZestyLemons on August 19, 2014, 04:02:22 AM
Quote from: Damien Hart on August 19, 2014, 03:42:30 AM
The wiki's coming along nicely guys. That main page is a lot better than the old one.
While you're doing the Alpha 6 images Zesty, could you add the charge lance, inferno cannon and the charge blaster? They need to be added on their respective pages, but there are no uploaded images for them. And on the subject of weapons, do they need to have weapon type subpages? Like with the plants, are there enough weapons to justify it? All of the info appears on the main weapons page for comparison, and on each weapon's own page, so the type pages seem kind of redundant.
Anyway, a question for you: does the wiki support watermarks? I was starting up RimWorld last night and it occurred to me that a greyscale watermark of the planet on the title screen would give a nice RimWorld theme to the wiki.
I'm going to add the event descriptions to the article, but does anyone know what the "chance" specifically refers to? It needs to have some sort of explanation but it's not something that I could find; I have some ideas, but obviously without knowing for sure, it's pointless to put something up there.
For the tables, I noticed there were a couple of different types on the wiki, do you guys want to go for a specific type for cohesion? If you do, let me know and I'll start using that.
Sure, sorry about the weapons pages being really different from the others (I don't really want to bring it up here) - I'll change them back to the current Infoboxes and add pictures for them tomorrow.
Also, for the weapon categories, it doesn't really matter what they're separated into. It'd probably be better to separate them into like "Neolithic" "Grenades" and I dunno, "General/Kinetic Weapons"? At the very least the neolithic weapons are different enough to justify being separate from the rest. If anyone has better ideas for the categories though, feel free to suggest.
As for the tables, I think the most common tables are these: http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Animals http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Animals
If you want to change tables, that's probably your best bet.
No problem, I'll use that style for tables and I'll update the trait and research pages too.
If you do want the weapons categorised, then perhaps breaking them up by technology level would fit best, since that's kind of the way they're treated in RimWorld anyway. So we'd have neolithic, modern and advanced, plus any other groups Tynan decides to add - like if say medieval towns were to be added as a faction type, with their own weapons etc.
Looks great Zesty, Also I think you and Damien are right about the weapons, there really aren't enough of them to warrant the categories. I'm thinking we should group them by technology level. (IE. Neolithic, Modern, Advanced.) Also, Also, the images look great, I'm super glad they are fixed, do you guys think we should have the RimWorld logo on the front page? Or perhaps the planet background from the game? Just something to liven it up a little, nothing too busy though. The Wiki should be easy to read/navigate above all.
Quote from: HatesYourFace on August 19, 2014, 07:30:14 AM
Looks great Zesty, Also I think you and Damien are right about the weapons, there really aren't enough of them to warrant the categories. I'm thinking we should group them by technology level. (IE. Neolithic, Modern, Advanced.) Also, Also, the images look great, I'm super glad they are fixed, do you guys think we should have the RimWorld logo on the front page? Or perhaps the planet background from the game? Just something to liven it up a little, nothing too busy though. The Wiki should be easy to read/navigate above all.
I mentioned earlier that I like the planet - it's the first thing you see when you start up RimWorld, so it seems fitting for it to be the first thing on the wiki too.
Event descriptions are done, have a read to make sure I didn't leave anything out. http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Events (http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Events)
Do you guys know the max explosion size for a power fault?
There's no mood page either, and I have no clue how to make one, so one of you will have to make one. Trade doesn't have a link on the main page either, and there was no edit button, so no idea what's up there.
Quote from: Damien Hart on August 19, 2014, 08:13:46 AM
Quote from: HatesYourFace on August 19, 2014, 07:30:14 AM
Looks great Zesty, Also I think you and Damien are right about the weapons, there really aren't enough of them to warrant the categories. I'm thinking we should group them by technology level. (IE. Neolithic, Modern, Advanced.) Also, Also, the images look great, I'm super glad they are fixed, do you guys think we should have the RimWorld logo on the front page? Or perhaps the planet background from the game? Just something to liven it up a little, nothing too busy though. The Wiki should be easy to read/navigate above all.
I mentioned earlier that I like the planet - it's the first thing you see when you start up RimWorld, so it seems fitting for it to be the first thing on the wiki too.
Event descriptions are done, have a read to make sure I didn't leave anything out. http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Events (http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Events)
Do you guys know the max explosion size for a power fault?
There's no mood page either, and I have no clue how to make one, so one of you will have to make one. Trade doesn't have a link on the main page either, and there was no edit button, so no idea what's up there.
Events page looks top notch man! I believe the max explosion size for the Power fault event is 15 squares at 90,000 energy stored. Mood is a pretty general concept... it may be a difficult page to write, I will give it some thought first and then make one if no on esle has by then.
Quote from: Tynan on August 18, 2014, 09:35:29 PM
I banned DarkGhost for swearing at another user on personal messages.
We shouldn't need an authority to manage such a small group. If you have a disagreement, talk with each other about it in a civil manner and come to a consensus before moving forward. If there are any issues that you're having trouble deciding, involve me please.
But a permaban? That stuff should be used sparingly, usually Wikipedia admins block for a fortnight, and that's usually enough to calm somebody down. A permaban will anger him even further.
Quote from: HatesYourFace on August 19, 2014, 11:17:58 AM
Quote from: Damien Hart on August 19, 2014, 08:13:46 AM
Quote from: HatesYourFace on August 19, 2014, 07:30:14 AM
Looks great Zesty, Also I think you and Damien are right about the weapons, there really aren't enough of them to warrant the categories. I'm thinking we should group them by technology level. (IE. Neolithic, Modern, Advanced.) Also, Also, the images look great, I'm super glad they are fixed, do you guys think we should have the RimWorld logo on the front page? Or perhaps the planet background from the game? Just something to liven it up a little, nothing too busy though. The Wiki should be easy to read/navigate above all.
I mentioned earlier that I like the planet - it's the first thing you see when you start up RimWorld, so it seems fitting for it to be the first thing on the wiki too.
Event descriptions are done, have a read to make sure I didn't leave anything out. http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Events (http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Events)
Do you guys know the max explosion size for a power fault?
There's no mood page either, and I have no clue how to make one, so one of you will have to make one. Trade doesn't have a link on the main page either, and there was no edit button, so no idea what's up there.
Events page looks top notch man! I believe the max explosion size for the Power fault event is 15 squares at 90,000 energy stored. Mood is a pretty general concept... it may be a difficult page to write, I will give it some thought first and then make one if no on esle has by then.
Cool, I added that in. As far as mood goes, it mainly needs to touch on the effects of thoughts, traits, and the mental break threshold. I can write it, I just need to know how to make the new page.
The zones page - I think it would be more efficient to have all the zones explained on the one page rather than a half dozen little articles with 2 sentences each, what do you reckon?
Quote from: Damien Hart on August 19, 2014, 12:17:40 PM
Cool, I added that in. As far as mood goes, it mainly needs to touch on the effects of thoughts, traits, and the mental break threshold. I can write it, I just need to know how to make the new page.
The zones page - I think it would be more efficient to have all the zones explained on the one page rather than a half dozen little articles with 2 sentences each, what do you reckon?
I'm not sure, there used to be an Edit button on the main page but it's not there anymore, I think in light of some recent "events" Tynan disabled it. As far as the Zones page I agree, I only made it that way because I was copy-pasting someone else's format. (Since I'm pretty clueless when it comes to Wiki code) I figured a basic page with some info, improperly formatted was better than no page with no info lol. Please feel free to make it nicer/more proper!
You can still edit the main page, you just need to be logged in with an autoconfirmed user.
Quote from: Tynan on August 19, 2014, 12:54:56 PM
You can still edit the main page, you just need to be logged in with an autoconfirmed user.
Oh lol...that explains it. I forgot I'm on my girlfriends laptop and I wasn't signed into the Wiki. Duh... Lol.
Damien, I added a Mood page under Characters overview. (You can move it elsewhere if you like, seemed like a good spot to me) Feel free to fill it in as you see fit. To add a page like that you go to Edit then find this section for example:
[[Characters|Characters overview]]
:▪ [[Skills|Skills]]
:▪ [[Backstories|Backstories]]
:▪ [[Traits|Traits]]
:▪ [[Thoughts|Thoughts]]
:▪ [[Health|Health]]
Then I just added:
:▪ [[Mood|Mood]]
I believe : Adds drops it down one line, the ▪ inserts the bullet point, and the [["Blah blah"|"Blah blah"]] indicates the name/page to link to. Apologies if you knew this already, I'm just figuring this stuff out myself, thought I'd mention it on the off chance it'd help you out! Lol.
Quote from: Tynan on August 19, 2014, 12:54:56 PM
You can still edit the main page, you just need to be logged in with an autoconfirmed user.
Yeah I actually just noticed that, guess I wasn't logged in when I looked earlier.
Edit: Mood and zones done.
Quote from: HatesYourFace on August 19, 2014, 12:56:46 PM
I believe : Adds drops it down one line, the ▪ inserts the bullet point, and the [["Blah blah"|"Blah blah"]] indicates the name/page to link to. Apologies if you knew this already, I'm just figuring this stuff out myself, thought I'd mention it on the off chance it'd help you out! Lol.
No worries, I'm just figuring it out too, mostly through reverse engineering other pages. :D
nice work guys, Ty is there anywhere in the folders which has the sprites that can be uploaded to the wiki? Guns and pawns
http://ludeon.com/downloads/RimWorldTextures.zip
Should get you going with all the textures for Alpha 6 (and a few for A7... :D )
spoiler alerts ;)
cheers Ty
Weapons all have an image now.
And without spoiling, i'm hyped for Alpha 7 already ;)
Hey, so on the weapons pages I see someone has hand-calculated DPS. While useful, it's kinda slow and error-prone calculating it by hand, and I dunno what formula is used. Instead of manually calculating it, we put in some wikia math into the template (thus calculating it for us).
What do you guys think of this formula for DPS? It's the best I could come up with:
(http://puu.sh/aZx2G/63cf7f891b.png)
Also thanks fernbhoy for adding all the weapon pictures.
Quote from: ZestyLemons on August 19, 2014, 05:27:28 PM
Hey, so on the weapons pages I see someone has hand-calculated DPS. While useful, it's kinda slow and error-prone calculating it by hand, and I dunno what formula is used. Instead of manually calculating it, we put in some wikia math into the template (thus calculating it for us).
What do you guys think of this formula for DPS? It's the best I could come up with:
(http://puu.sh/aZx2G/63cf7f891b.png)
Also thanks fernbhoy for adding all the weapon pictures.
np, i'll leave the math stuff to you guys ;)
Quote from: fernbhoy on August 19, 2014, 05:31:20 PM
Quote from: ZestyLemons on August 19, 2014, 05:27:28 PM
Hey, so on the weapons pages I see someone has hand-calculated DPS. While useful, it's kinda slow and error-prone calculating it by hand, and I dunno what formula is used. Instead of manually calculating it, we put in some wikia math into the template (thus calculating it for us).
What do you guys think of this formula for DPS? It's the best I could come up with:
(http://puu.sh/aZx2G/63cf7f891b.png)
Also thanks fernbhoy for adding all the weapon pictures.
np, i'll leave the math stuff to you guys ;)
Hah, yeah it's a little tricky to get working right.
By the way Tynan, could you enable TeX for the wiki? I think all you have to do is set $wgUseTeX = true; in the LocalSettings.php file (according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Displaying_a_formula ). It'd be helpful for laying some stuff out, like I can't stuff like A \over B to without it:
(http://puu.sh/aZxv7/f122ff3793.png)
In the meanwhile, I'll see how hard it is to get the mathstuffs working in the infobox.
I have no idea how to use TeX or LaTeX. It definitely looks useful though.
Sure, I've added that line to LocalSettings. Hope it works!
I apologize to anyone using info boxes at the moment while I mess with the math, it'll be fixed and done soon.
Quote from: Tynan on August 19, 2014, 04:28:42 PM
http://ludeon.com/downloads/RimWorldTextures.zip
Should get you going with all the textures for Alpha 6 (and a few for A7... :D )
Nerdgasm. Urge to spoiler ...rising ...rising! ...RISING! (So psyched for 7 Tynan, but don't rush it lol! My last colony had it's ship half built when you launched 6, If you keep releasing new versions I'll never get to launch a ship! Quit sabotaging me! : D)
Maths done! Check it:
(http://puu.sh/aZALu/a89eb06671.png)
I'll update the other weapon pages later if no-one else does it (feel free to update them using the Short Bow page as a template though), and add how DPS is calculated later.
Quote from: ZestyLemons on August 19, 2014, 06:18:45 PM
Maths done! Check it:
http://puu.sh/aZALu/a89eb06671.png
I'll update the other weapon pages later if no-one else does it (feel free to update them using the Short Bow page as a template though), and add how DPS is calculated later.
What does DPS stand for, anyway? You can put the meaning inside HTML
<abbr> tags, or I can do it for you.
DPS= Damage Per Second. It is a standard metric of how lethal a weapon is over time.
Quote from: longbyte1 on August 19, 2014, 07:01:25 PM
Quote from: ZestyLemons on August 19, 2014, 06:18:45 PM
Maths done! Check it:
http://puu.sh/aZALu/a89eb06671.png
I'll update the other weapon pages later if no-one else does it (feel free to update them using the Short Bow page as a template though), and add how DPS is calculated later.
What does DPS stand for, anyway? You can put the meaning inside HTML <abbr> tags, or I can do it for you.
Thanks! It's actually really nice to have the little pop-up.
Anyway, I'm continuing on updating the weapons pages.
Edit: I was checking the OP for the to-do list, and I noticed you still have the gear page on there. I actually redid the gear/clothing/armor pages a while ago, you can check it out here: http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Gear
Still need to add images for them, though.
Hey Zesty, nice work with the dps.
You might want to add a note to disclaim that it doesn't include missed shots and colonist accuracy will affect actual damage output, 'cause you know what some people are like...
Quote from: Damien Hart on August 20, 2014, 01:30:18 AM
Hey Zesty, nice work with the dps.
You might want to add a note to disclaim that it doesn't include missed shots and colonist accuracy will affect actual damage output, 'cause you know what some people are like...
Will do now. Done: http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/DPS
Also, I remade the weapons table entirely: http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Weapons
You can sort by accuracy and stuff! I'll probably change how the accuracy is listed in the infoboxes too, but I'll work on that later.
(fun fact: the EMP Grenade has the highest DPS in the game,
62.69, almost double the HCB!)
Quote from: ZestyLemons on August 20, 2014, 02:05:37 AM
Quote from: Damien Hart on August 20, 2014, 01:30:18 AM
Hey Zesty, nice work with the dps.
You might want to add a note to disclaim that it doesn't include missed shots and colonist accuracy will affect actual damage output, 'cause you know what some people are like...
Will do now. Done: http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/DPS
Also, I remade the weapons table entirely: http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Weapons
You can sort by accuracy and stuff! I'll probably change how the accuracy is listed in the infoboxes too, but I'll work on that later.
(fun fact: the EMP Grenade has the highest DPS in the game, 62.69, almost double the HCB!)
Nice one. Though I'm not sure about having blast radius as a factor in dps - I'd have thought that more comes under hit chance.
The weapons table looks good too.
Quote from: Damien Hart on August 20, 2014, 03:11:42 AM
Quote from: ZestyLemons on August 20, 2014, 02:05:37 AM
Quote from: Damien Hart on August 20, 2014, 01:30:18 AM
Hey Zesty, nice work with the dps.
You might want to add a note to disclaim that it doesn't include missed shots and colonist accuracy will affect actual damage output, 'cause you know what some people are like...
Will do now. Done: http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/DPS
Also, I remade the weapons table entirely: http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Weapons
You can sort by accuracy and stuff! I'll probably change how the accuracy is listed in the infoboxes too, but I'll work on that later.
(fun fact: the EMP Grenade has the highest DPS in the game, 62.69, almost double the HCB!)
Nice one. Though I'm not sure about having blast radius as a factor in dps - I'd have thought that more comes under hit chance.
The weapons table looks good too.
Actually I think I just realized I didn't even factor in blast radius for DPS. I made it damage * BlastRadius instead of damge * (area of blast radius).
I'm going to scrap it for now, maybe I'll add it back later if I can find out how explosive damage works.
Quote from: ZestyLemons on August 20, 2014, 03:22:25 AM
Actually I think I just realized I didn't even factor in blast radius for DPS. I made it damage * BlastRadius instead of damge * (area of blast radius).
I'm going to scrap it for now, maybe I'll add it back later if I can find out how explosive damage works.
Fair enough lol.
Quote from: ZestyLemons on August 19, 2014, 11:30:52 PM
Edit: I was checking the OP for the to-do list, and I noticed you still have the gear page on there. I actually redid the gear/clothing/armor pages a while ago, you can check it out here: http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Gear
Still need to add images for them, though.
Sorry Zesty, I sort'ave abandoned the to do list as the things that need to be done/have been done are changing to fast to keep up with. But I'll make an exception in this case and cross off Gear and credit you, since you deserve no less for all your hard work on the Wiki!
Quote from: HatesYourFace on August 20, 2014, 01:54:27 PM
Quote from: ZestyLemons on August 19, 2014, 11:30:52 PM
Edit: I was checking the OP for the to-do list, and I noticed you still have the gear page on there. I actually redid the gear/clothing/armor pages a while ago, you can check it out here: http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Gear
Still need to add images for them, though.
Sorry Zesty, I sort'ave abandoned the to do list as the things that need to be done/have been done are changing to fast to keep up with. But I'll make an exception in this case and cross off Gear and credit you, since you deserve no less for all your hard work on the Wiki!
Todo list? http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/RimWorld_Wiki:To-do (http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/RimWorld_Wiki:To-do)
Quote from: longbyte1 on August 20, 2014, 01:58:22 PM
Quote from: HatesYourFace on August 20, 2014, 01:54:27 PM
Quote from: ZestyLemons on August 19, 2014, 11:30:52 PM
Edit: I was checking the OP for the to-do list, and I noticed you still have the gear page on there. I actually redid the gear/clothing/armor pages a while ago, you can check it out here: http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Gear
Still need to add images for them, though.
Sorry Zesty, I sort'ave abandoned the to do list as the things that need to be done/have been done are changing to fast to keep up with. But I'll make an exception in this case and cross off Gear and credit you, since you deserve no less for all your hard work on the Wiki!
Todo list? http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/RimWorld_Wiki:To-do (http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/RimWorld_Wiki:To-do)
He's talking about the to do list in the OP. If he wanted the one on the Wiki changed he'd just do it himself lol.
Quote from: HatesYourFace on August 20, 2014, 02:01:08 PM
Quote from: longbyte1 on August 20, 2014, 01:58:22 PM
Quote from: HatesYourFace on August 20, 2014, 01:54:27 PM
Quote from: ZestyLemons on August 19, 2014, 11:30:52 PM
Edit: I was checking the OP for the to-do list, and I noticed you still have the gear page on there. I actually redid the gear/clothing/armor pages a while ago, you can check it out here: http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Gear
Still need to add images for them, though.
Sorry Zesty, I sort'ave abandoned the to do list as the things that need to be done/have been done are changing to fast to keep up with. But I'll make an exception in this case and cross off Gear and credit you, since you deserve no less for all your hard work on the Wiki!
Todo list? http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/RimWorld_Wiki:To-do (http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/RimWorld_Wiki:To-do)
He's talking about the to do list in the OP. If he wanted the one on the Wiki changed he'd just do it himself lol.
Yeah, I know. So should I just delete the one on the wiki since it's not being used by anyone but me?
Quote from: longbyte1 on August 20, 2014, 03:37:52 PM
Yeah, I know. So should I just delete the one on the wiki since it's not being used by anyone but me?
If anything keeping a To-do list on the Wiki would be a lot easier as people could check off things as they do them instead of having to tell me about it. As far as getting other people to actually use it, you're on your own lol.
I'm happy to use the wiki to do list, I just didn't even know there was one.
Quote from: Damien Hart on August 20, 2014, 04:07:35 PM
I'm happy to use the wiki to do list, I just didn't even know there was one.
Good point, I will add it to the OP with a link.
Quote from: Damien Hart on August 20, 2014, 04:07:35 PM
I'm happy to use the wiki to do list, I just didn't even know there was one.
Ditto on this, will totally use.
The weapons look great :D
did you make those or are they actually from the game?
The images? They're just the sprites from the game.
Probably long overdue, but here's a page about Mechanoids: http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Mechanoid
I used generally the same format as I did for: the human article (http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Human), I think it works well enough. Going to upload the images for it and leave it as is.
That mechanoid article is awesome. But who added arms to the scyther graphic?
Quote from: Tynan on August 20, 2014, 11:20:06 PM
That mechanoid article is awesome. But who added arms to the scyther graphic?
Added? They've always been there.
(http://puu.sh/b1lCF/3d3f6fde50.png)
Just covered up by their charge lance most of the time.
I'm going to redo the character overview... The last guy has it literally just display the skills, backstory and traits articles on the one page.
That's cheating! Lol
Question: Which side of the scyther is the front?
Well I'll be damned.
I think Piotr must have added those because I have no memory of them!
Quote from: Damien Hart on August 21, 2014, 02:23:14 AM
Question: Which side of the scyther is the front?
The direction they point the gun.
Quote from: Tynan on August 21, 2014, 09:46:34 AM
Well I'll be damned.
I think Piotr must have added those because I have no memory of them!
Well... the description does say they are covered in sharp blades. I guess dose' are dem'. Lol, never noticed them either.
Quote from: Tynan on August 21, 2014, 09:46:34 AM
Well I'll be damned.
I think Piotr must have added those because I have no memory of them!
Quote from: Damien Hart on August 21, 2014, 02:23:14 AM
Question: Which side of the scyther is the front?
The direction they point the gun.
Yeah, I always thought the little semi-circle bit on the back looked more like a head, and the top bit looks like a wing.
it's that time again, Updated the version history, though the side bars are really annoying me now. So much so, i'm actually considering just making a seperate one to see if i can get that to work better without the locked code
I'll be sure to have another look at the clothing to see if any stats were changed, and possibly create another spreadsheet for the animals and weapons.
http://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=6372.0 (http://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=6372.0)
The stuff there should still be valid, but I'll move the Thread to the General forum if I have anything important to add there. Copying the stuff to the wiki should be rather easy, depending on the table format.
PS: After checking and from what I can tell, the spreadsheet I made is up to date. ^^
the issue is i have no idea who actually owns the domain for starters :D
I'm assuming it's Ty though
Wiki updaters roll in we need you again alpha 7 is here!
Quote from: fernbhoy on October 01, 2014, 02:10:23 PM
the issue is i have no idea who actually owns the domain for starters :D
I'm assuming it's Ty though
Yes, I administer rimworldwiki.com, why?
Quote from: Tynan on October 01, 2014, 03:34:31 PM
Quote from: fernbhoy on October 01, 2014, 02:10:23 PM
the issue is i have no idea who actually owns the domain for starters :D
I'm assuming it's Ty though
Yes, I administer rimworldwiki.com, why?
basicly no one has a clue how to edit the rimworld release bar on the right of http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Version
Quote from: fernbhoy on October 01, 2014, 03:48:53 PM
Quote from: Tynan on October 01, 2014, 03:34:31 PM
Quote from: fernbhoy on October 01, 2014, 02:10:23 PM
the issue is i have no idea who actually owns the domain for starters :D
I'm assuming it's Ty though
Yes, I administer rimworldwiki.com, why?
basicly no one has a clue how to edit the rimworld release bar on the right of http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Version
I'd suggest reformatting the page in a simpler, more flexible (more mobile-friendly) way. I didn't make that formatting originally and I don't think it's awesome anyway. People love crazy layouts but in almost all cases, straightforward text and lists work best in the end.
well i finally found out where the original code was hiding, but not a clue how to edit it, so i've just removed it from the page now
it's under {{versions}} in the future if we need it.
Quote from: Fruit loops on October 01, 2014, 02:41:07 PM
Wiki updaters roll in we need you again alpha 7 is here!
I'm slowly updating the health/armor/damage/weapon sections again, there's a lot of change.
I hope no one minds how disorganized the health section is right now, I'll get it in order eventually. There's a lot of sections that need to be moved around and redone now.
By the way, I think these pages are spam:
http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/User:Profischnell
http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/User:Profischnellscom
(that or just a guy who's very passionate about being multi-lingual).
Quote from: ZestyLemons on October 07, 2014, 12:03:46 AM
Quote from: Fruit loops on October 01, 2014, 02:41:07 PM
Wiki updaters roll in we need you again alpha 7 is here!
I'm slowly updating the health/armor/damage/weapon sections again, there's a lot of change.
I hope no one minds how disorganized the health section is right now, I'll get it in order eventually. There's a lot of sections that need to be moved around and redone now.
By the way, I think these pages are spam:
http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/User:Profischnell
http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/User:Profischnellscom
(that or just a guy who's very passionate about being multi-lingual).
Thanks man. Looks like it's coming along nicely :)
So I tried to log on to update some stuff, but I keep getting an error that says "RimWorld Wiki uses cookies to log in users. You have cookies disabled. Please enable them and try again."
I know for a fact that I have them enabled, chrome even registered that there were cookies from RimWorld Wiki present, so anyone have any ideas as to what could cause this?
I even tried adding the site to the exception list, no dice.
Quote from: Damien Hart on October 08, 2014, 04:23:58 AM
So I tried to log on to update some stuff, but I keep getting an error that says "RimWorld Wiki uses cookies to log in users. You have cookies disabled. Please enable them and try again."
I know for a fact that I have them enabled, chrome even registered that there were cookies from RimWorld Wiki present, so anyone have any ideas as to what could cause this?
I even tried adding the site to the exception list, no dice.
Hmm, may be an issue caused by site migration. Is anyone else getting this?
I haven't (yet). Started to get it on editing pages for too long.
Could I get a hand with this file? http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/File:ShortSword.png
I tried to upload a new version of the file, but it just kept the original. Everytime I try to revert it, it just makes more copies of the one I want to upload and keeps the original over-brightened sprite as the one that gets shown on pages.
i assume you wanted the side ways one rather than the hard to see one so i think i've fixed it
http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Short_sword
Going to be re-working the clothing stats to TheXIIILightning's spreadsheet version over the next couple of days so don't worry if it looks a mess
right started the basic framework of the clothing page
http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Clothing
can't make the table sortable though so if anyone has a clue how to do it, please and thank you ;)
Have a look at some pages with tables: http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Armor
Your table should look like this:
{| {{STDT| sortable c_08 text-center}}
! First Column Header !! Second Column Header !! Third Column Header !! <You get the idea> !! Last Column Header
|-
! ItemNameHere
| Second Column Info || | Third Column Info || | <You get the idea> || | Last column Info
|-
! [[You can make these link to pages too]]
| Second Column Info || | Third Column Info || | <You get the idea> || | Last column Info
|-
|}
Node that in the snippet "{| {{STDT| sortable c_08 text-center}}", c_08 is the color (based on a template I think). I think there's c_00 ~ c_08, but I haven't checked honestly. Fiddle with it till you're happy with it.
Got it, cheers Zesty
Hey, Tynan, the wiki is starting to get overrun with spambots.
http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/User:JulianLaidlaw
http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Essential_Details_In_google_apps_sync_Uncovered
http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/User:LinK45wfpjm
http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Whatever_You_Wanted_To_know
http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/User:AhmadLyles
http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/User:MargariDellinge
http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Personal_Finance_Budgeting
http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/User:HoracioLudwig
http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/User:EmmanueApplebau
http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/User:FelipaHaydon
The following accounts are probably spambots (given by the weird non-RimWorld content they make pages about):
- JulianLaidlaw - http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/User:JulianLaidlaw
- LinK45wfpjm - http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/User:LinK45wfpjm
- ElizabeZWRT - http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/User:ElizabeZWRT (only bot that hasn't created a page for itself)
- AhmadLyles - http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/User:AhmadLyles
- MargariDellinge - http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/User:MargariDellinge
- HoracioLudwig - http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/User:HoracioLudwig
- EmmanueApplebau - http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/User:EmmanueApplebau
- FelipaHaydon - http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/User:FelipaHaydon
- Profischell - http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/User:Profischnell
Crap! Ok, I need to fix anti-spam.
Yeah, Asirra shut down their captcha service. I replaced it but apparently that captcha isn't secure. Got to work something out. for now, I'm disabling new page creation.
Yeah, turns out ReCaptcha isn't effective any more. Looking into alternatives now.
Okay. I've taken some steps against the spam attack. Please let me know quickly if the spammers start making progress again.
Quote from: Tynan on October 15, 2014, 01:23:40 PM
Okay. I've taken some steps against the spam attack. Please let me know quickly if the spammers start making progress again.
I'm not sure they liked what you did:
http://rimworldwiki.com/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&limit=500
(http://puu.sh/ce0nQ/5ed8848fc2.png)
Yeah, I couldn't even fit all of them onto one picture. I think you need some heavier artillery.
Damn. Ok.
Well I guess the good thing is that all they did was create a ton of users. So there's that, at least. I don't understand these spammers, I have to say.
Ok, I did some mass blocking.
User creation is disabled for now. I need to figure out a new CAPTCHA solution.
Would reCAPTCHA be any good?
Quote from: milon on October 16, 2014, 09:24:25 AM
Would reCAPTCHA be any good?
As I mentioned above, reCaptcha seems to be breakable by spammers.
Quote from: Tynan on October 16, 2014, 11:02:10 AM
Quote from: milon on October 16, 2014, 09:24:25 AM
Would reCAPTCHA be any good?
A lot of captcha systems were broken through an exploit in the audio system that allowed well over 90% of the captchas to be correctly identified by an automated system not all that long back. It has been a fair white now though.... I would have expected at least some to have adapted.
As I mentioned above, reCaptcha seems to be breakable by spammers.
It seems there are very few options. Captchas these days are breakable.
I've set up reCaptcha again, for now. If it fails more I may look into keyCaptcha.
Yeah, even Google's reCaptcha doesn't work. Spam accounts still appear at a rate of about one per hour.
I've disabled account creation.
Does anyone have suggestions on how to actually stop spam? The Asirra Captcha where you picked animal pictures worked, but it's been discontinued :(
Sweet Captcha? (http://sweetcaptcha.com/)
Quote from: Tynan on October 16, 2014, 11:02:10 AM
Quote from: milon on October 16, 2014, 09:24:25 AM
Would reCAPTCHA be any good?
As I mentioned above, reCaptcha seems to be breakable by spammers.
Lol, whoops. Just call me Captain Obvious. :D
Ty, you got a link to the A7 sprites btw? some of the new sprites aren't in the old pack
I was actually the original guy to make the royal bed. Tynan never gave me credit -_- (lol its fine)
Hey Tynan, I know you're busy but filling out captchas for every single page edit is kinda excessive. Would it be possible to tone it down so that you only have to do one every half-hour/hour or so?
have to agree, specially when the wiki asks you to resubmit cause the server is busy.
Quote from: ZestyLemons on October 20, 2014, 04:35:46 AM
Hey Tynan, I know you're busy but filling out captchas for every single page edit is kinda excessive. Would it be possible to tone it down so that you only have to do one every half-hour/hour or so?
It should eventually mark you as trusted and turn off the captcha. I'll look into it.
Once your user has done over 40 edits, you shouldn't see the CAPTCHA any more. Is it working or is the CAPTCHA still shown?
Quote from: Tynan on October 21, 2014, 01:02:59 PM
Once your user has done over 40 edits, you shouldn't see the CAPTCHA any more. Is it working or is the CAPTCHA still shown?
Unsure, but having to do captchas over and over again because of that 'invalid session data' thing is more than a little frustrating when editing the wiki.
Quote from: ZestyLemons on October 21, 2014, 09:15:25 PM
Quote from: Tynan on October 21, 2014, 01:02:59 PM
Once your user has done over 40 edits, you shouldn't see the CAPTCHA any more. Is it working or is the CAPTCHA still shown?
Unsure, but having to do captchas over and over again because of that 'invalid session data' thing is more than a little frustrating when editing the wiki.
I believe it. I've made an adjustment which should address this; is it still happening?
Haven't had any session timeouts since, much better and much appreciated!
Quote from: ZestyLemons on October 22, 2014, 05:13:58 PM
Haven't had any session timeouts since, much better and much appreciated!
Excellent! Always trying to make life easier for people helping out on the wiki.
Quote from: Tynan on October 22, 2014, 05:41:16 PM
Quote from: ZestyLemons on October 22, 2014, 05:13:58 PM
Haven't had any session timeouts since, much better and much appreciated!
Excellent! Always trying to make life easier for people helping out on the wiki.
Keyword: people
Timeouts are happening again, Capchas never go away too.
Quote from: ZestyLemons on December 12, 2014, 03:12:20 AM
Timeouts are happening again, Capchas never go away too.
You're not a people. You're a lemon. A zesty one. Please continue to provide captcha answers :D
Quote from: StorymasterQ on December 12, 2014, 03:16:47 AM
Quote from: ZestyLemons on December 12, 2014, 03:12:20 AM
Timeouts are happening again, Capchas never go away too.
You're not a people. You're a lemon. A zesty one. Please continue to provide captcha answers :D
I've found something that might have been the issue. No more captchas for me, hopefully.
(a slight mishap happened with a file, sit tight until it's resolved).
Edit:After some hilarity, it looks like the Captcha plugin is fixed, and should stop giving you captchas after 40 edits.
Reviving this thread. Here's a to-do list: http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/RimWorld_Wiki:To-do
If you have something to add to the to-do list, add it and use ~~~ to sign it with your name.
- Wiki account registration is open.
- After 10 edits, you don't have to do captchas anymore.
- There's plenty of stuff to update!
If you have questions and stuff, I'll be checking this thread daily. I'll try to edit some stuff too, stuff's hectic.
was looking for this earlier :D
Version history is now up-to-date.
Might be worth pinning this as a sticky since there's no wiki link from the fourms?
Sticky would be nice, but we need an updated OP kind badly.
Sticky is a good idea.
There are tons of new players coming on board so any wiki additions we could get would be immensely useful.
People need me... gotta get out of my forum grave quickly...
Quote from: ZestyLemons on January 02, 2015, 09:39:30 PM
Sticky would be nice, but we need an updated OP kind badly.
OP here, Couldn't post in my own thread for awhile because of some forum bug lol. I'm not even sure if it's going to work this time so if your reading this, Huzzah!
Anyways...let me know what you want on the front page Zesty and I'll be more then happy to put it up for you!
EDIT: Hey, it worked!
Hey I did this a while back but I feel I should make it clear that I've added to the wiki!
Bear in mind there is formatting on the wiki that is not here :)
Unwanted Prisoners
There are many ways to 'get rid of' unwanted prisoners.
Organ removal*
You must remove organs in the order:
1. Left/Right Liver
2. Left/Right Lung
3. Any other organ now, they will all kill the detainee and sell for similar prices
(Either lung or liver in any order just not both of the same organ)
Starvation
Set 'gets food' to the false x and wait
Selling To Slaver*
If combined with organ removal this gets you the most silver
Heat Or Cool Room To Hostile Temperature
"Would you rather burn to death or freeze to death ;)"
Execution*
The execution in the prisoner interaction menu allows this.
Release
Can be the best option as you get free goodwill with no negative colonist effects
*Has a negative impact on one or more of your colonists
http://rimworldwiki.com/index.php?title=Prisoner&oldid=30564 (http://rimworldwiki.com/index.php?title=Prisoner&oldid=30564)
If any of this is wrong obviously feel free to change (Duh it's a wiki), but would be nice if you said because I don't want to go around knowing the wrong stuff! :D
Hi, I'm Teddy! I love wikis and use them quite a bit, but am also handy at editing them.
I'd like to help, but as a n00b I don't know most of the answers. I'm curious what I can do.
In particular, I'm wondering if it would make sense to post in this thread; or in another thread, some questions. I don't need the answers themselves, especially if complicated, but if someone could point me to the answers, that would be great.
Example:
"Hey, so I was wondering what the formula for deciding exactly which animal will go nuts is"
"I remember someone looking at that in a thread, I think it was started by user sk8rha8r"
hence now I can find the information by doing a quick search for a username.
A search of this thread didn't yield anything relevant, but I haven't read through all 16 pages of it. So here's my idea, and I apologize if this has already been brought up.
What about using Categories in the wiki to track what's up to date and what's obsolete?
For example, we could categorize pages as "Alpha 8" or "Alpha 9" or "Obsolete". The idea is to make it easy to see if the pages are up to date. That way, when Alpha 10 comes out, I may notice that a page on growing food is only up-to-date for Alpha 9 and I can either verify or update the page.
Thoughts?
Also, I've just spent some time updating the Melee Weapons (http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Weapons#Melee_Weapons), but I didn't update any checklist or anything you've got going here. Please correct anything I goofed!
Quote from: milon on February 04, 2015, 12:07:33 PM
A search of this thread didn't yield anything relevant, but I haven't read through all 16 pages of it. So here's my idea, and I apologize if this has already been brought up.
What about using Categories in the wiki to track what's up to date and what's obsolete?
For example, we could categorize pages as "Alpha 8" or "Alpha 9" or "Obsolete". The idea is to make it easy to see if the pages are up to date. That way, when Alpha 10 comes out, I may notice that a page on growing food is only up-to-date for Alpha 9 and I can either verify or update the page.
Thoughts?
Also, I've just spent some time updating the Melee Weapons (http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Weapons#Melee_Weapons), but I didn't update any checklist or anything you've got going here. Please correct anything I goofed!
Go for it, thought it might be easier to do a 'Current Alpha' or something like that category rather than update every single page every alpha.
If it's tagged as 'Current Alpha' when the next release comes out, it may look current even though it's not. My idea is to have a simple way to identify on the wiki page itself if it's current or not. This isn't necessarily the best way to do it, but it's the best way that I can think of. I'd love to hear other/better ideas before I attempt this.
EDIT - I especially am in favor of an on-wiki approach since post #1 hasn't been updated for 5 or 6 months now. Is there even a To Do list on the wiki?
From what I've seen almost every page needs to be changed in one way or another, I may have to learn how to format everything correctly -something I'm rather loathe to do - in order to help out, I don't think just whipping Milon with information blobs is going to cut it :P
Alpha 9 is going to be a bit of a doozy for the wiki too..
Quote from: milon on February 04, 2015, 10:02:37 PM
EDIT - I especially am in favor of an on-wiki approach since post #1 hasn't been updated for 5 or 6 months now. Is there even a To Do list on the wiki?
The To-Do list being moved to the wiki is basically why it isn't updated anymore.
Quote from: HatesYourFace on August 13, 2014, 08:08:10 AM
UPDATE: This list is pretty much abandoned now as we have multiple people working and it's too much to keep up with, but I've decided to leave it for posterity. If you want to help/contribute you can ask in this thread or just dive right in! The To-Do list is now being kept on the Wiki to make updating it easier: http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/RimWorld_Wiki:To-do.
Thanks! I did search on the wiki for one before posting my comment, and nothing turned up. I may not have been the only one unaware, so I added a link from the Main Page to the To Do list. :)
(Much easier than categorizing & recategorizing every page, me thinks!)
Quote from: milon on February 04, 2015, 10:02:37 PM
If it's tagged as 'Current Alpha' when the next release comes out, it may look current even though it's not. My idea is to have a simple way to identify on the wiki page itself if it's current or not. This isn't necessarily the best way to do it, but it's the best way that I can think of. I'd love to hear other/better ideas before I attempt this.
EDIT - I especially am in favor of an on-wiki approach since post #1 hasn't been updated for 5 or 6 months now. Is there even a To Do list on the wiki?
There's an easy way to do this. All you have to do is mark Category:Alpha 8 as part of Category:Current version, and then the rest of the alphas can be placed under Category:Unreliable, so all of those pages are also marked as containing "deprecated" or "obsolete" information.
When a reviewer can certify that a version-dependent page is correct for the current version, he can simply change the page's category to the current alpha version (e.g. Category:Alpha 8).
Just a quick reminder - the wiki is there and begging for some Alpha 9 love.
Page creation still blocked? I can't upload missing images because of this.
Christ.. the wiki really is a barren wasteland, hadn't fully realized how out of date some of this stuff is
Made worse by its flat-white-background! Honestly have to cut my brightness down to 1/5th of normal to spend any time looking at it or it gives me a horrendous headache.
Curse whoever thought white webpages were a good idea.
Quote from: Boboid on February 27, 2015, 08:37:40 AM
Christ.. the wiki really is a barren wasteland, hadn't fully realized how out of date some of this stuff is
Made worse by its flat-white-background! Honestly have to cut my brightness down to 1/5th of normal to spend any time looking at it or it gives me a horrendous headache.
Curse whoever thought white webpages were a good idea.
I would love to be able to sort some fo the look issues of the Wiki but not being an admin i cannot get into the styles and or the wiki layout options. I have sorted layout accross the web pages. The main page was done today. But if i couls actually administrate the wiki i would have it looking lovely in a few days!
Maybe Tynan will allow me to make to wiki look lovely lol
Quote from: Latta on February 27, 2015, 07:18:16 AM
Page creation still blocked? I can't upload missing images because of this.
Blocked? Shouldn't be blocked at all, are you registered with at least 10 edits?
Quote from: elStrages on March 04, 2015, 06:02:28 AM
Quote from: Boboid on February 27, 2015, 08:37:40 AM
Christ.. the wiki really is a barren wasteland, hadn't fully realized how out of date some of this stuff is
Made worse by its flat-white-background! Honestly have to cut my brightness down to 1/5th of normal to spend any time looking at it or it gives me a horrendous headache.
Curse whoever thought white webpages were a good idea.
I would love to be able to sort some fo the look issues of the Wiki but not being an admin i cannot get into the styles and or the wiki layout options. I have sorted layout accross the web pages. The main page was done today. But if i couls actually administrate the wiki i would have it looking lovely in a few days!
Maybe Tynan will allow me to make to wiki look lovely lol
Lemme know if there's anything I can help with. I'm a sort of administrator for the wiki at the moment - I can install new stuff if you think it'd make editing easier and encourage more people to contribute and stuff like that.
It's nothing that needs to be installed. I would need access to the designer and the css sheets. It's no matter as I say would need admin status to polish the wiki design and layout.
Quote from: elStrages on March 04, 2015, 10:04:06 AM
It's nothing that needs to be installed. I would need access to the designer and the css sheets. It's no matter as I say would need admin status to polish the wiki design and layout.
You can edit the CSS in your userspace and it actually takes effect (but only for you). Once you're done, you can show it to us and we can decide.
Quote from: longbyte1 on March 04, 2015, 09:59:09 PM
Quote from: elStrages on March 04, 2015, 10:04:06 AM
It's nothing that needs to be installed. I would need access to the designer and the css sheets. It's no matter as I say would need admin status to polish the wiki design and layout.
You can edit the CSS in your userspace and it actually takes effect (but only for you). Once you're done, you can show it to us and we can decide.
this is very true, can i get a copy of the styles sheet from the wiki sent to my email. that way i can be sure that i have edited all parts.
EDIT: have a little trouble but im getting there this wouldn't be so hard if i was building from scratch lolz
added a common style sheet to my page, its still a work in progress but feel free to copy the styles to your own page to see what it will look like. Feedback would be great.
The stylesheets the RimWorld wiki uses right now are pretty much default. It's all from MediaWiki's vector skin.
Going about changing the look of the wiki would probably be best done by doing it via the skin system for MediaWiki: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skins
Hopefully you can find everything there that you need.
Newly added for Alpha 11...
Toxic buildup and its effects.
http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Disease
Thanks for the hard work Jim, I'd try and keep things up to date too if I had more time.
I'd be interested in a wiki CSS update, but would definitely want to have a look at potential changes first. Doing it in a "sandbox" type environment first would be idea if you could.
FYI A guy did great CSS for the RimWorld subreddit at reddit.com/r/RimWorld - you could look at it for inspiration.
I don't need any confirmation/acc activation from you to start editing the wikis Tynan, is that right?
Quote from: Skissor on June 13, 2015, 03:14:20 AM
I don't need any confirmation/acc activation from you to start editing the wikis Tynan, is that right?
You shouldn't. Zesty is really the wiki master though :)
Alrighty then.
Yup, you don't need permission to edit anything on the Wiki. As long as you're being reasonable about what you add or edit, there's usually no problem. You'll have to do some captchas for your first ~20 edits, but after that you basically have full power to do most things on the wiki.
You can always post questions about wiki stuff here or on my wiki profile.
Added for Alpha 11...
Allowed Areas.
http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Zone
Quote from: Jimyoda on June 14, 2015, 11:57:59 PM
Added for Alpha 11...
Allowed Areas.
http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Zone
Areas and zones are distinctly different, so you may want to split these up.
e.g. areas can't be selected, can't be seen unless editing, can be disjoint. Unlike zones.
Quote from: Tynan on June 14, 2015, 11:59:41 PM
Quote from: Jimyoda on June 14, 2015, 11:57:59 PM
Added for Alpha 11...
Allowed Areas.
http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Zone
Areas and zones are distinctly different, so you may want to split these up.
e.g. areas can't be selected, can't be seen unless editing, can be disjoint. Unlike zones.
Now rewritten. Zones and areas are distinguished, on one page, but now appropriately renamed.
http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Zone/Area
The next step is to fix up the nav box templates, but nothing is broken or really wrong, so I'll do it a bit later or maybe not until the next alpha, in case there are even more changes in that area (no pun intended). What counts is that the information is there and searchable.
By the way, up until now the Architect menu was consistent in that only first words are capitalized. However, each 'Area' tool has Every Word Capitalized.
Was this deviation intentional?
It could translate to complications trying to Wikify it because capitalization REALLY matters for Wiki page names and links.
Quote from: Jimyoda on June 16, 2015, 01:59:25 AM
By the way, up until now the Architect menu was consistent in that only first words are capitalized. However, each 'Area' tool has Every Word Capitalized.
Was this deviation intentional?
It could translate to complications trying to Wikify it because capitalization REALLY matters for Wiki page names and links.
No, it's a bug. I'll fix it. Derp.
Added to the wiki for Alpha 11...
Wargs
Added to the wiki for Alpha 11...
Deadfall trap
Changed "Phoebe Basebuilder" to "Phoebe Chillax" on the AI Storyteller page.
Added to the wiki for Alpha 11...
Armchair
Posted full table for Cooking Skill vs Food Poison Chance.
http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Food_Poison_Chance
First addition to the wiki for Alpha 12!!!
(http://rimworldwiki.com/images/1/1f/Labrador_retriever.png)
http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Labrador_retriever
It made me sad to have to write 'labrador retriever meat'.
A small herd of thrumbos have wandered into the area...
(http://rimworldwiki.com/images/2/22/Thrumbo.png) | (http://rimworldwiki.com/images/2/22/Thrumbo.png) | (http://rimworldwiki.com/images/2/22/Thrumbo.png) |
http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Thrumbo
sorry if I revived an old thread...
(admin: if a new thread is better, please help lock this thread and move my post to a new thread, thanks!)
just wondering, is wiki still being updated?
Feels like some stuff are outdated, and some stuff are not formatted in sync
And is there a structure setup for updating wiki?
Not really a necro, The Wiki's been in a constant state of update since it was revived at the start of this thread. :)
Since it's pretty much entirely volunteer work it does take a bit of time.
Added a bit about taming a thrumbos!
Added everything that wasn't added in Raider tab. Please contact me if i did something wrong
Everything in New incidents is done. So good to be helping out.
Interesting.
I have done some wiki edits before, mainly templates and designs...and I really dislike writing out the contents.
That means I can probably contribute with improving the wiki structure. ;D
So, is there anyone or a few members of dedicated people that is currently managing the wiki? ???
Im just doing some edits, might never do them again but hey, there in there.
Quote from: LaMizzy on September 20, 2015, 12:16:38 PM
Interesting.
I have done some wiki edits before, mainly templates and designs...and I really dislike writing out the contents.
That means I can probably contribute with improving the wiki structure. ;D
So, is there anyone or a few members of dedicated people that is currently managing the wiki? ???
I've been updating and adding content, alot, since March. More recently I've learned about templates and queries. I'm not an admin but I have a personal goal to keep editing the wiki until it's done, which is a moving goalpost with each new release. I love writing content and making templates as well. You certainly have alot more experience than me about templates. You should be able to edit almost anything without special permission, including templates. Feel free to direct message me on the forum or on the wiki (Jimyoda on both). If you need to contact a wiki admin talk to Zesty. On here he goes by ZestyLemons.
That's interesting. I took some time to look around and discovered a few things, just want to bring it up so we can get to a decision.
- I read through all the posting in this thread. It was a very exciting collaboration by all you people, and I would be excited to be part of it.
- I realized there isn't a communication ground setup for people to interact. Usually there is the "talk/discussion" page in Wiki itself, however it is not used often and it can get messy in hot topics.
We also have this forum which we can utilize to allow talks and discussions. If we create a sub-forum section here and have a sub-forum guideline structure that people needs to follow, it could be easier for people to communicate.
Right now, it seems like a few people drop an update in the discussion section of a page, while others just reply to this thread; and if you want to track a page's progression either you need to read this entire thread and dig it out OR you need to sort through the page's changes in history revisions.
Of course there is Pros and Cons in both suggestions. If we use the wiki built-in discussion pages, it will track all discussions regarding the page there at a glance; If we use the forum, we will have threads and threads of discussion that could become messy.
I personally think that creating a sub-forum might be a better option for us right now, as people are more familiar with posting in forum than in discussion pages of wiki. If we allow a few dedicated people to help manage wiki sub-forum, it could be manageable. We can enforce guideline such as Subject structure like having (Close) in the beginning of the subject line indicate the thread is complete, and (A12d) indicating it is related to Alpha 12d and stuff.
- The To-Do list page, the version history page are important pages that are nice but need to be reworked and updated. I also think we should have a Wiki Guideline page that describes uses and formats that all editors should try to work towards. So in the long run, we can have a more unified looking wiki that everyone contributes.
And it would be awesome if we have a kind of authority that help steer the progression in a general direction...*looks at Tynan*
I'm definitely up for having some wiki guidelines, but you'll have to ask Ty about the subforum stuff.
Well, after a long day of effort...I have completed overhauling the http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Version (http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Version) page and its contents.
I have also started discussions in the Wiki To-Do talk page (http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/RimWorld_Wiki_talk:To-do (http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/RimWorld_Wiki_talk:To-do)).
They are [Project Proposal] Category Hierarchy Overhaul, and [Project Proposal] Wiki Guideline.
If you got a moment, please drop by and help expand those topics, thanks!
Cheers lamizzy, i do the version update but i know next to nothing bout wiki code or scripting so i just went with what i was given. I'll try not to break it with future updates :)
Quote from: Fernbhoy on September 27, 2015, 06:49:54 AM
Cheers lamizzy, i do the version update but i know next to nothing bout wiki code or scripting so i just went with what i was given. I'll try not to break it with future updates :)
No worry! The version pages are mainly using my new template, VersionFrame, and I have documented that template in details so should be straight forward. If you have any issues, you can refer to all other version pages...its very straight forward. =)
Just a heads up, I haven't had time to review and update the two previously existing template...Template:V, and Template:Version.
Template:Version is the infobox that float to the right with links...it is basically a navigation infobox.
Template:V is a template for linking to individual version page. So you just need to keep the pattern going, creating the version page as sub pages of Internal Version or Version.
Of course, if you ever had a question...goto my wiki user talk page and drop it there. I will get back to you =)
No need to hurry, got another 5 months till it needs updating ;)
If you can, please help update the wiki for the following:
http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Psychic_insanity_lance (http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Psychic_insanity_lance)
http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Psychic_shock_lance (http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Psychic_shock_lance)
http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Psychic_soothe_pulser (http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Psychic_soothe_pulser)
Where it says <!--Enter info here-->, replace all including the brackets. Don't worry too much about spelling/grammar, just write what you know.
If this topic is still on.. topic, can a moderator change this page, please?
http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Deterioration
"Immunity
Resources that are immune to deterioration are metal, stone, leather, and hyperweave cloth. "
I'm seeing a deterioration bar on my leather (safetely stored inside :) ) so it may not be immune. Or I'm wrong.
I've been using the wiki lately and noticed empty pages or out of date things. Created an account to realize I can't edit.
So, how do I get editing privileges or who should I PM the content to?
I believe it should be possible for you to edit most pages, with some exceptions, as soon as you've confirmed your email after registering your account on the wiki. I registered and did one edit last week, so it used to work at least.
Weird. Email was optional for me, didn't give it. Maybe that's the issue?
Quote from: ShadowTani on August 23, 2016, 06:53:22 PM
I believe it should be possible for you to edit most pages, with some exceptions, as soon as you've confirmed your email after registering your account on the wiki. I registered and did one edit last week, so it used to work at least.
My problem is that I can't confirm my email. I was expecting a delay as that often happens with my main account. But after several
hours without the confirmation, I went to Preferences in the wiki and clicked the link to resend the Confirmation email. It's been about a
week, now, and still nothing. (And before you ask: Yes, I
did check my Spam folder - thoroughly and more than once.)
Today, I went to Preferences again and changed my email to the one given to me by my ISP (which I've never had a problem with). Mostly, I figured that, perhaps, the wiki was set up to automatically reject email addresses it identifies as being from a free account. But I also wanted to test if the wiki's registration system was
broken.
Well, it's been over an hour now and I still haven't received an email on my (rarely used) ISP account. And, yes, I checked my Spam folder. Right now, I'm leaning towards broken.
Is anybody else having problems? Can anyone confirm that they
recently confirmed their email for the wiki?
Are you using Hotmail? Along with some other providers that I simply can't remember :P, Hotmail has been busted more than once simply deleting confirmation emails to many sites. I can verify it from personal experience but it's also reasonably easy to search for.
Try using a different email route, whomever your current provider is. I'd bet at least $0.05* that's the problem. At least you'll gain an additional throwaway account...
________
*The nickel, while small, will be nice and shiny.
Has anyone been talking about the mods page? I put a rewrite template on it. It seems that that page is being neglected.
Quote from: Bozobub on December 10, 2016, 01:50:45 AM
Are you using Hotmail? Along with some other providers that I simply can't remember :P, Hotmail has been busted more than once simply deleting confirmation emails to many sites.
That is alarming news. But it's not Hotmail.
Quote from: Bozobub on December 10, 2016, 01:50:45 AM
Try using a different email route, whomever your current provider is. I'd bet at least $0.05* that's the problem. At least you'll gain an additional throwaway account...
I've already tried switching my wiki account to the email account provided by my ISP, which is a nationwide telecommunications company and not free. There's no reason why that account should delete or block a confirmation email and no reason for a website to reject my address as valid. Still no confirmation email, though.
Quote from: Spdskatr on December 10, 2016, 02:10:14 AM
Has anyone been talking about the mods page? I put a rewrite template on it. It seems that that page is being neglected.
Funny you should mention that. The main reason that I signed up for the RimWorld wiki was to write up a page for the Apparello mod (which is not mine), including a list of all the apparel and the buffs and stats of each (which I painstakingly gleaned from the code and formatted into a list). But I've since learned that I'd have to make at least 10 edits before being able to create a new page. (Which I completely understand as a sensible precaution against spammers. I
hate how spammers tend to be attracted to wiki's. I saw a lot of that on the Dwarf Fortress wiki, where I tried to contribute.)
I might be able to help you with that. I can make a page called Mod:Apparello and I'll let you do the rest. Unless that's not what you want. Also for the email, check your spam folder. It happened when I signed up for Twitch ;)
By the way, answer something if you actually want me to do it. I'd be happy to. Also I can do basic wiki code.
I had some free time, so I cleaned up an absolute tonne of old wiki pages that weren't being used.
* Categorized a whole bunch of pages that weren't categorized
* Added temperature template, converts Celsius to Fahrenheit so you don't have to.
* Deleted a bunch of stuff that's never been used.
* Delete a bunch of broken pages from the old translation plugin that didn't work
* Made one fun edit.
When I have the energy for it, I'll throw together a "how to wiki" page. It's probably about time.
A wiki of an unfinished game is simply a wasted effort. It is your time though, do whatever you want with it.
Quote from: faltonico on December 15, 2016, 06:52:08 AM
A wiki of an unfinished game is simply a wasted effort. It is your time though, do whatever you want with it.
Dwarf Fortress has an amazing wiki, and DF certainly isn't finished :V
Quote from: ZestyLemons on December 15, 2016, 07:09:22 AM
Quote from: faltonico on December 15, 2016, 06:52:08 AM
A wiki of an unfinished game is simply a wasted effort. It is your time though, do whatever you want with it.
Dwarf Fortress has an amazing wiki, and DF certainly isn't finished :V
This game actually intends to get released someday.
Added Caravan...
http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Caravan (http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Caravan)
Essentially done, but still planning to add more details and polish.
Your feedback is welcome.
Quote from: Jimyoda on December 19, 2016, 02:20:37 PM
Added Caravan...
http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Caravan (http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Caravan)
Quote from: Jimyoda on December 19, 2016, 02:20:37 PM
Your feedback is welcome.
It's looking very nice. And it
is appreciated.
However, is it
wise to update the wiki to A16 - or detail features only available in A16 - even before it has been released? That could be confusing to brand new players and certain players who are still using A15, esp. if they have avoided all the hype about A16.
At the least, I think there should be an indication of version number (or a mention that this is a feature only available in an upcoming release) somewhere on the page, to let players know.
I'm reminded of the Dwarf Fortress Wiki (http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/Main_Page), where I sometimes contributed. It not only gives a clear indication of version, but it allows readers to switch the wiki to show version-specific information.
^^^Updating the wiki to Alpha 16 is hard because Tynan hasn't released the changelog for Alpha 16 yet. I have provided a link to a Reddit post in the To Do List, but it's not complete.
And also the people on the wiki can't even spell "Penoxycycline", so I don't have faith in anyone. Yes, that includes me.
It's actually spelt: PENOXYCYLINE.
Quote from: Thundercraft on December 19, 2016, 05:18:58 PM
Quote from: Jimyoda on December 19, 2016, 02:20:37 PM
Added Caravan...
http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Caravan (http://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Caravan)
Quote from: Jimyoda on December 19, 2016, 02:20:37 PM
Your feedback is welcome.
It's looking very nice. And it is appreciated.
However, is it wise to update the wiki to A16 - or detail features only available in A16 - even before it has been released? That could be confusing to brand new players and certain players who are still using A15, esp. if they have avoided all the hype about A16.
At the least, I think there should be an indication of version number (or a mention that this is a feature only available in an upcoming release) somewhere on the page, to let players know.
I'm reminded of the Dwarf Fortress Wiki (http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/Main_Page), where I sometimes contributed. It not only gives a clear indication of version, but it allows readers to switch the wiki to show version-specific information.
The wiki is woefully outdated in many places, so it's probably better to get started on Alpha 16 stuff rather now than later.
Maybe a template could work here too, one that dynamically warns users an article is out of date rather than editing every article.
^^^Done Zesty. At least to an extent.
Also enough with the chicken page. Do whatever you want with it.
*Created a page called Mass
*Probably going to add Mass as a variable in Template:Infobox main
Added the stuff needed for the Define template mass. I figure it'll be a good idea to phase out the old Infobox main template at some point in favor of the Infobox/Thing template.
Zesty U ruined mass again >:(
Mass is back online. I have updated the Mass for most ThingDefs. I have also included a lazy workaround on the actual infobox/thing template. Damn that took me long.
This looks like the best spot for wiki related discussion, despite the bump. :)
I have uploaded a load of images recently, and have now been fiddling about with a frontpage redesign. A total redesign really, as I wanted to check out a darker skin. It's just kinda hell to convert everything, haha. So many tags, so many small details (like that pesky gradient on the logo, argh!). I'm doing it with a personal CSS file, so it won't show for anybody else, which is good since most things are broken right now. However, here is a image of the draft for the frontpage. I appreciate feedback, and whether I should just abort the whole thing.
(http://i.imgur.com/JSPCqHTl.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/JSPCqHT.jpg)
Quote from: ZestyLemons on December 20, 2016, 11:53:37 PM
Added the stuff needed for the Define template mass. I figure it'll be a good idea to phase out the old Infobox main template at some point in favor of the Infobox/Thing template.
Touching on this, here are some thoughts about changes that I would also be interested in feedback about --> Thoughts about the future (https://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/RimWorld_Wiki_talk:Community_portal#Thoughts_for_the_future_.28frontpage.2C_templates.2C_SMW.29)
In short, as touched upon above, it might be better witha darker skin, to reflect the UI in the game and its dark game world. The more I try to (and fail to) understand the templates, the more I want to redo the whole darn thing. There are issues with some of them currently, and it's really hard to understand how they all interact. Probably very easy to break something.
Finally, I'm also thinking about converting the wiki from using Semantic Mediawiki to Cargo. That stuff is certainly not a one-day job, I've done it before so I know, but I do think it would make it easier to deal with the data, and update it.
Anywho... no feedback yet on the topic over there, so I figured I could drop a note about it here and see what you think about this stuff.
Gosh, this is frustrating. Fix one CSS error, and several more pop up from various default css pages that I have no access to. Is it possible to add a Vector Dark skin in there? Might make it more bearable.
Would be nice if it was enabled to upload SVG files as well. I tried, but was told to get lost because it isn't allowed. Wanted to upload a image background checker that fits better for a dark wiki.
Kinda discouraging to get zero feedback either there or here though :-/
Hopefully getting there. Maybe?
(http://i.imgur.com/yOOIVi8l.png) (https://imgur.com/yOOIVi8)
A pain to try to line everything up. But I do like the new buttons up top.
As usual I'm stealing like a nasty pirate from the Witcher 3 wiki.
I think it looks awesome, visually.
If it's fully as readable as the base version, could even become the default.
Quote from: Tynan on July 13, 2019, 11:25:14 AM
I think it looks awesome, visually.
If it's fully as readable as the base version, could even become the default.
Thanks, Tynan :)
It looks readable just fine to me, but if it's a problem it's possible to change the transparency of the background so the planet is less visible. That's the most common trick here.
Still lots of stuff to do, haven't touched wikitables yet, nor the SMW pages (but then I'd like to swap that out tbh), but a lot seems to work well right now. So many tiny details though, which takes time.
The logo looks a little wonky, and from what I can gather it's the picture itself that looks like that (or inverted). I'm guessing that would need to change in the backbones section, as I haven't been able to find it through Firefox development tools. The logo finally cropped up here: https://rimworldwiki.com/images/rw-logo2.png?ee248 (https://rimworldwiki.com/images/rw-logo2.png?ee248)
Remember to make sure it's readable for someone with visibility issues (esp colorblindness)!
I personally think it looks v nice, but I know a lot of people who actually have more eye strain reading light text on dark background (weirdos <3).
If there were some preferred collaboration system, I suspect a lot of people here can do wonderful things with css, if you wanted to try working with others - which may be more trouble than its worth, but may be useful.
Thank you for giving the wiki love.
--LWM
Quote from: LWM on July 13, 2019, 04:36:48 PM
Remember to make sure it's readable for someone with visibility issues (esp colorblindness)!
I personally think it looks v nice, but I know a lot of people who actually have more eye strain reading light text on dark background (weirdos <3).
If there were some preferred collaboration system, I suspect a lot of people here can do wonderful things with css, if you wanted to try working with others - which may be more trouble than its worth, but may be useful.
Thank you for giving the wiki love.
--LWM
Thanks for the comments. I actually have colourblindness myself, but there are many variants of it so that's not a guarantee what I'm doing will be readable for everybody.
Collaboration would be nice. You're right that it can sometimes become conflict-ridden, but when it works out it's great. Right now I'm leaning on what I learned when re-doing the Pillars of Eternity wiki, and using stuff from that and other wikis (primarily Witcher 3 because it looks brilliant), and have imported a few extra templates too.
I'm far from a CSS expert, so am just borrowing stuff from elsewhere and trying to get it to look right with lots of trial and error. Currently the navbox is looking pretty wonky, despite looking perfectly fine with the same CSS on another wiki. Looks like it's some deep-lying skin file that's messing it up - again. This is what takes so much time. Make changes and see how it turns out on actual pages. Then try to dig around and find the correct tags that some default skinning page deeper in the wiki is using, then input those tags into the CSS file. Repeat. But I'm making slow progress, so there is that :)
Edit: Removed outdated and butt-ugly navbox image.Once things are looking pretty decent everywhere, I can start to clean up the file. I'm sure there must be some duplicates here and there by now.
Have aimed at re-using some of the colours from the game, and tried with the link colours (after much and more struggles with overriding pesky skin files). Maybe links became too in-your-face now, but I wanted to try out non-orange.
(http://i.imgur.com/CNxUEgQl.png) (https://imgur.com/CNxUEgQ)
Errr, the wiki is down? Is a pawn on the way to rescue it? ;)
Looks like SMW might have been updated, and either something went wrong or something hasn't been done to complete the process?
Semantic MediaWiki was installed and enabled but is missing an appropriate upgrade key.
How Do I fix this error?
An administrator (or any person with administrator rights) has to run either MediaWiki's update.php or Semantic MediaWiki's setupStore.php maintenance script.
Technically I'm breaking a rule by making consecutive posts here, so sorry about that. Please don't turn me into a hat.
More work has gone into the CSS-side. Despite all the hours used, not a whole ton has changed, especially on the frontpage, but there are many details, and for the most part it works well to use this skin now. Most things are readable and easy to use. The WikiEditor needs some more love, and some other bits and pieces I haven't been able to find. Anyway, this is what it looks like currently on my side. Think the new link colours turned out okay, though I'm not entirely pleased about the design itself. Thankfully that part is easy to change now -- even if we go from the dynamic three-column design to a 2-column one.
(http://i.imgur.com/0lbp5kRl.png) (https://imgur.com/0lbp5kR)
Furthermore, I've started the work on new templates, and outlined some thoughts in the newly created Admin noticeboard (https://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/RimWorld_Wiki:Admin_noticeboard).
What will become hard here is to make sure we have the variables we need for each thing (animals, plants, etc), and that they are sensibly defined (wikitext, integer, page, boolean, etc). Of course possible to change it later, but preferable to get most things right from the off. Here (https://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Template:Infobox_animal) is a starting template, that still needs some work, not least in the actual output (roughly from the middle of the file and down).
I still hope that we can get more heads and hands on this, as it's probably too big a task for one chap alone -- and of course that we manage to cooperate well. I know from experience it can be tricky, and apparently has been on this one as well, but it's something to strive for at least.
So many ideas, so much to do, and it all takes time. New help section, new navboxes, new templates, new skin+frontpage, SMW to Cargo transition, cleaning up images and templates, unifying pages more. Gah!! ;D
What have I sunk my feet into? :-\
In terms of more people helping: Where should people talk about stuff? Is your css on github or some such (does more need to be done with it?) Would you like discussion on the wiki itself?
--LWM
Quote from: LWM on July 16, 2019, 12:50:33 AM
In terms of more people helping: Where should people talk about stuff? Is your css on github or some such (does more need to be done with it?) Would you like discussion on the wiki itself?
--LWM
I'm at work so must be brief. I think it would be best to carry out the interaction on the wiki itself. To that end, I wrote about the ideas and efforts (https://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/RimWorld_Wiki_talk:Community_portal#Thoughts_for_the_future_.28frontpage.2C_templates.2C_SMW.29) over there initially. First some outlines here. Then some more concrete (maybe?) in the newly created Admin noticeboard (https://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/RimWorld_Wiki:Admin_noticeboard). Please check out the posts and comment.
Perhaps a separate page would be more fitting, but I hoped one of these places would be easier to find (both SHOULD be in the sidebar). Back-and-forth communication is unfortunately an issue with working on wikis. It simply isn't well set up for stuff like that.
The CSS only resides in my user-CSS for now (https://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/User:Pangaea/vector.css). But you can simply copy it to your own and work with it from there, if you wish to. Much seems to work as intended currently, but not everything. The preferences screen for instance it entirely white (just like the default), and I'm sure if one looks more thoroughly there will be many details still missing.
My complaint for the Wiki is that some of the screenshots are kinda too large or to big.
And some of the articles for curtain stuff are stubs, and most of the backstories aren't there, for example i have a pawn with a childhood backstory that he's a Viotube Star and it doesn't appear in the wiki (Please tell me if this backstory is in vanilla.) though his adulthood backstory Gun dealer (https://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/List_of_player_created_adulthood_backstories_A_through_M) does appear.
And some are missing stuff like the Architect Security page (https://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Security) is missing the Autocannon turret (https://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Autocannon_turret)and the Uranium slug turret. (https://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Uranium_slug_turret)
Also that new look you're planning for the official Wiki looks very awesome Pangaea... Randy would be proud from that. :D
Slight update first: A lot has been going on behind the scenes over the last few days. A command line wizard has upgraded many of the extensions and installed a few new ones, and fix quite some errors here and there. I believe the wiki has mostly been operational throughout this, but if you experienced slowdowns or the wiki being down, then this is why.
Quote from: Kirby23590 on July 23, 2019, 10:38:10 AM
Also that new look you're planning for the official Wiki looks very awesome Pangaea... Randy would be proud from that. :D
Thank you kindly :)
Btw, for those who prefer a dark skin, it's now possible to select DarkVector in Preferences. It's not perfect as we haven't made any changes to it, but it can probably suffice for now. And using that base, it should be easier for me to adapt the re-design I've bene working on, as the base is dark instead of light. Means fewer CSS overrides every which way.
Quote from: Kirby23590 on July 23, 2019, 10:38:10 AM
My complaint for the Wiki is that some of the screenshots are kinda too large or to big.
And some of the articles for curtain stuff are stubs, and most of the backstories aren't there, for example i have a pawn with a childhood backstory that he's a Viotube Star and it doesn't appear in the wiki (Please tell me if this backstory is in vanilla.) though his adulthood backstory Gun dealer (https://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/List_of_player_created_adulthood_backstories_A_through_M) does appear.
And some are missing stuff like the Architect Security page (https://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Security) is missing the Autocannon turret (https://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Autocannon_turret)and the Uranium slug turret. (https://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Uranium_slug_turret)
Do you have any particular screenshots in mind? Is it due to browsing the wiki on mobile? If some are overly gigantic, it should be easy enough to change the code to reduce the size.
I believe all the backstories were recently generated from game files, so if it's not on the wiki, then it's most likely from a mod.
Quite a few pages are unfortunately outdated, though a few users recently have done a good job of updating some sections. If you see something, you are free to update it yourself. That's part of the magic of a wiki. Anybody can contribute, even without registering (for most pages).
I already kinda regret taking this on, because when I look closer at templates and game XML files, I realise how stupidly much work it entails -- but that aside, I'll be focusing on updating templates and transitioning the data on the wiki from storage in Semantic Mediawiki (SMW) to Cargo. Part of that process will mean checking lots of data and try to ensure it's updated, but for better or worse that won't be my focus moving forward. I'll have to focus on the framework instead, like templates and Cargo tables. Most likely writing many new templates that Cargo will use; essentially replacing the current SMW templates for various output and querying.
For now I have set up a wiki on my own computer to make some of this easier, as I have all user privileges there and won't have to battle with the incessant anti-spam measures. And it's ofc less risky if I make mistakes - bound to happen as I'm just a hobbyist and not a professional coder or something like that.
Some of the screenshots in the wiki if you go to the event stuff kinda show some unnecessary things like the colonist bar or the entire game screen and hud with and where as in other wikis, they hide the game hud with F11 or just show one particular entity in a compact screenshot, it was a minor nitpick from the official rimworld wiki i have...
I don't know if backstories are all generated from game files, but some mods can help out, so disabled most of my mods and got Prepare carefully (https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=6261.0)and yes, Viotube Star does exist in my game. Maybe i didn't disable most of my mods, but prepare carefully mod like that can really help filling all the backstories but i can understand that it might fill it up making it hard to scroll down the page.
No need to do everything, I can find getting all the backstories from 1.0 to be heavily time consuming.
It's a good point about the images. I looked over the Events page, and some of those could do with some cutting and chopping, or taking new ones. I also tend to think pages like that are too big, but don't know if the staff would agree with me there. Probably not great for Search engine optimisation (SEO) either. It's not much, but I made a note about it here: https://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/RimWorld_Wiki:To-do
Made a search on the wiki for viotube star and didn't find any, and don't remember seeing it in-game. Kinda hope that isn't part of the vanilla game tbh, as it would basically break the fourth wall, with a fairly obvious reference to the contemporary world. From what I understand, that is something Tynan wants to avoid (iirc from something I read about guidelines for the backer stories). Therefore I suspect it's part of a mod. I could be wrong, of course.
It needs more work ofc, so think of this as a base, but any feedback on this thing?
(http://i.imgur.com/uLTnE5yl.jpg) (https://imgur.com/uLTnE5y)
I'd like small icons and more formatting for the fields in the infobox, for instance. Getting an overview of all the needed fields is actually a bigger pain in the arse than expected. If somebody happens to have a list somewhere, don't be shy! This stuff is broken up in game files in several different places, base/parent "things" and so forth. Kinda hard with so many files :-/
That infobox for the Alpaca looks very fitting... It almost looks like the style looks ripped straight from the game.
The text is still very read-able with the new background as well along with it looking cool. I don't have any complaints for it, i like it! ;D
Quote from: Kirby23590 on July 24, 2019, 10:17:30 PM
That infobox for the Alpaca looks very fitting... It almost looks like the style looks ripped straight from the game.
The text is still very read-able with the new background as well along with it looking cool. I don't have any complaints for it, i like it! ;D
Thanks, that is great to hear! :) One of my motivations with this was to try to make the wiki look a bit more like the game, using colour codes from there. Actually thought about trying to recreate the character panel with the skills and such, but I suppose it doesn't really have a use on the wiki (and would take a ton of time), considering all of this is randomly generated and the game doesn't have NPCs of the more traditional kind.
Suspect we need more special handling of the Attack table, but I'm trying out a solution with it in the main article instead of the infobox. Better room, and given the massive amounts of data for animals and suchlike, the infobox could get pretty packed anyway.
(http://i.imgur.com/35Atvm9l.png) (https://imgur.com/35Atvm9)
Not quite sure how this surprise attack malarky works, so what I've jotted down in that example may be nonsense.
By putting this in a separate table, it should be easier to compare data from other animals too, like a list of the most dangerous attackers. Same with a lot of other data of course, like meat/leather/milk amounts and the like.
Think this one is starting to shape up now. Maybe better to drop those "x"s though. Did look a little weird. Need some icons as well, but this is just on my local wiki and I haven't bothered to put images there.
(https://i.imgur.com/Z96Mccz.png)
The individualy training steps arn't realy nessesary.
They are most based on the inteligence/Trainability of the animal.
Only Advanced ones can be trained for rescue/haul.
Release is part of the obedience training.
Quote from: Canute on July 26, 2019, 01:31:52 AM
The individualy training steps arn't realy nessesary.
They are most based on the inteligence/Trainability of the animal.
Only Advanced ones can be trained for rescue/haul.
Release is part of the obedience training.
True, although I think it's nice to have there for easier overview. I still keep checking animals in-game and the wiki for whether they can be trained in this, that or the other. Currently there is a list in the articles (based on a SMW query), so I figured it would be nice to retain that. Of course, if people object I can always remove it again.
Have finally put some of this stuff on the wiki proper, although it's only really viewable by me since it basically all formatting requires different CSS, which is in my user CSS file. I've changed a few things around, but it feels fairly done right now. But should probably put in some code for body mass at different life phases and stuff like that. I'd like to hope that people will put all the proper data in the infobox itself, but some back up wouldn't go amiss I suppose.
(http://i.imgur.com/DQCocsel.png) (https://imgur.com/DQCocse)
Hmm, just noticed the predator tickbox. That shouldn't really be there unless it's a yes. Unneeded info.
IMO predator is a much more needed then seperated training steps.
But since you don't add bodysize, maybe keep the training steps. Because you need advanced and a bodysize over (don't remember) so they can be trained for hauling/(rescue ?).
But keep the training step like ingame order : obe. , release, rescue,haul
And if you want have study star, maybe create a sortable chart with all animal.
Quote from: Canute on July 26, 2019, 05:52:22 AM
IMO predator is a much more needed then seperated training steps.
But since you don't add bodysize, maybe keep the training steps. Because you need advanced and a bodysize over (don't remember) so they can be trained for hauling/(rescue ?).
But keep the training step like ingame order : obe. , release, rescue,haul
And if you want have study star, maybe create a sortable chart with all animal.
We have body size too, it just isn't visible in the above screenshots as the box is kinda large. So much data. Juvenile mass didn't show earlier because I hadn't entered data for it (it was part of the infobox). Now I have FINALLY managed to get the formulas correct, so that it can be calculated as long as mass_adult is set.
Good point about the predator and listings. I've reverted it so that predator status always shows. It does in the game too (in Wildlife tab), so it makes sense.
Will try to get formulas for haul etc as well. Looks tricky as this stuff really isn't second nature to me. Therefore I was quite pleased about finally getting the below working. Got an error message earlier, apparently because it didn't treat the Float defined mass_baby variable as a number, so I had to use formatnum around it.
| mass_baby = {{#vardefine: mass_baby | {{#if: {{{mass_baby|}}} | {{{mass_baby}}} |
{{#if: {{{mass_adult|}}} | {{#expr: {{formatnum: {{{mass_adult}}}|R}}/5}} }} }} }} {{#var:mass_baby}}Visibly not much has changed so won't bother with yet another screenshot, but I'm using the game icons for yes/no checkmarks now. They looked much better.
Edit:Oh my flipping god. I've been staring at the screen and making a gazillion edits trying to figure out what is wrong. Why I kept getting errors on two formulas, but not the others, despite them looking pretty darn similar, #ifexpr aside. Turns out I mistakenly used the variable name bodysize instead of the actual name
basebodysize. FML! :'( ;D (PS: we need a wallbash emoticon)
But now (I think!) the darn thing finally works. Phew *wipes brow* (It's smoking hot in Europe)
| train_obedience = {{#vardefine: train_obedience | {{#ifeq: {{{trainability|}}}|none|no|yes}} }} {{#var: train_obedience}}
| train_release = {{#vardefine: train_release | {{#switch: {{{trainability|}}}
|none|simple = no
|intermediate|advanced = yes }} }} {{#var: train_release}}
| train_rescue = {{#vardefine: train_rescue | {{#switch: {{{trainability|}}}
|none|simple|intermediate = no
|advanced = {{#ifexpr: {{{basebodysize}}} >= 0.65 |yes|no}} }} }} {{#var: train_rescue}}
| train_haul = {{#vardefine: train_haul | {{#switch: {{{trainability|}}}
|none|simple|intermediate = no
|advanced = {{#ifexpr: {{{basebodysize}}} >= 0.40 |yes|no}} }} }} {{#var: train_haul}}
Okay, put more stuff into this beast, and changed a fair bit of code again, and cleaned up a few things. Probably no creatures will have this much data so it looks bigger than it will be.
(http://i.imgur.com/wMTyZWZl.png) (https://imgur.com/wMTyZWZ)
Currently:
Herd animal only shows if it's true
Toxic/Psychic immunity only shows if true
Baby/juvenile mass is calculated based on adult mass
Predator shows whether it's true or false
Carry capacity is calculated based on body size if not set manually
Training haul etc is calculated based on trainability and body size
Hopefully I can soon move on to other stuff, and use the code from this template for most other things.
Do you still have time to play ? :-)
No.
:'( :'( :'( :'(
But I'll get that colony into space at some point ;D
But i bet all the new player will honor your work at the wiki.
And solong you enjoy your work for/at the wiki everything is fine.
Quote from: Canute on July 27, 2019, 06:38:02 AM
But i bet all the new player will honor your work at the wiki.
And solong you enjoy your work for/at the wiki everything is fine.
Thank you, and I hope so.
As for the work there, it is dawning on me that it's a TON more work than I at first anticipated. It sort of feels like starting over from scratch when it comes to all these infoboxes. Most of my time so far has been spent trying to figure out what fields we need, going through many, many XML files and trying to make sense of the structure, and converting it for wiki purposes. I'm therefore far from sure how far I can keep going here :'( Motivation kinda went out the window the other day, because it's a mammoth task.
But that said, after much huffing and puffing (and playing the game a whole day), I've managed to get down a draft of sorts for a weapons infobox. Tons of details that need improving, like what to do with "what material can this thing be made of" and "these are banned materials".
Since both the pictures and the wiki is dark now, I needed some type of filter to pop them out a bit. Maybe this looks like muffalo vomit, but it's a start? *shrug*
(https://i.imgur.com/Z8RMZXL.png)
PS: Currently there isn't any info about materials needed for crafting it, because I suspect it might be better ot put that in a separate table so we have all "things" in there. But then I need to figure out how to store it and query it. Argh. So much stuff to clear up :-\
You could group this data in logically structured "tabs" like most other wikis do when there's a lot of information.
Took a while, but finally uploaded the Weapon infobox today. It's gone through some revisions. After finally getting a half-decent overview of various properties for weapons, I decided to remove some of those I had, and add a couple of others. It's still a bit big (obviously sniper rifles don't have burst fire), but I'm fine with that.
(http://i.imgur.com/XFaZ8HDl.png) (https://imgur.com/XFaZ8HD)
Nice suggestion about tabs. Although I'm not sure how fitting it would be here? Typically I see that on other wikis for quite distinct material, like if there are some spoilers, different versions of the same weapon/item/enemy, or tabs for different classes of enemies and stuff like that. Here we're more talking about different properties of the same item, which IMO fits better in one infobox. Could try to be minimalist and only include the truly crucial info, but I think people generally like infoboxes because it's easy to get a quick overview, instead of reading about it in the text sections. Those are typically for more verbatim explanations of quests, analysis, tables and the like.
Really love the way your screenshots look! Is there someway to enable this on the wiki site, or are these just your personal files you are working with and this hasn't been uploaded or set to "live" yet?
I'm probably a dummy and missing the setting or prefs button, lol!
Thank you, that is great to hear :)
Currently it's unfortunately not possible to enable this as there remains a lot of work before everything is done. The above screenshot is actually taken from my local wiki. It is however possible to see a good chunk of the new look if you copy my user-space CSS to your own userspace. It's not perfect as there are some colour inconsistencies here and there and I haven't worked on it much lately. Some of the tables and (old/current) infoboxes don't look good.
But if you want you can do that by copying the content of https://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/User:Pangaea/vector.css to your own CSS. Probably easiest to create it by going to your Preferences -> Appearance -> Click on Custom CSS to the right of the skin names. Vector is default, so best to use that one. Then paste all that code from earlier and save the page.
It's not possible to toggle these changes on and off, so if you want to disable it again, you need to blank the user CSS from https://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/User:YOURUSERNAMEHERE/vector.css
The process is moving forward, but it involves a *lot* more work than I had anticipated. Brief overview:
- Redesign the whole site to use a dark themed skin
- Make new templates for all the infoboxes, and eventually a crapton of Cargo templates. The pawn and weapon infoboxes is part of this process. It has taken much longer because I need to figure out the data structure and "translate" it to something that would work in a database. And since a lot of the data on the wiki is outdated or at least not complete, I need to first figure out the actual properties that the game uses, which has meant combing through hundreds of XML files, which often have parents, which makes it hard to get an easy overview. Think I've found a half-decent solution now, so I hope it will be easier moving forward.
- Once all that template stuff is done, we need to update (almost) all the pages on the wiki to use the new infoboxes, and update their data with correct values and identifiers. I think some of this can be partly automated with a software called AutoWikiBrowser, but I'd need to write a load of Regular Expression (regex) first. Will have to re-learn it as I haven't worked on it for two years.
- After *that*, we can finally transition the current pages from SMW to use Cargo data instead, which means writing templates that query the newly created database and fill out pages with content. That can be to for example list all weapons in one page, or in the Temperate Forest page, list all animals that live there, with data about them. Or maybe list all items that can be made with metal and sort them in this or that fashion.
So yeah... rather a lot of work :o :-X :-[ :'(
Then there is "exhilarating" maintenance tasks like categorising all images, deleting de facto duplicates or outdated ones, and lots of stuff like that. I've done some of that recently because it felt like I got more stuff done that way than just banging my head against templates.
Oh yeah, and of course update the actual
text content on pages where it is outdated. I've mostly left that alone tbh, but others are thankfully doing great stuff there, both other staff members and regular users.
As the saying goes: People come for the content. People stay for the content.
Better design and infoboxes and the like is nice and all, but it's only one (small) part of the content, and the actual descriptions, analysis, advice etc matters a great deal as well.
If anybody are reading this and see something that is wrong or can be improved on the wiki, you are of course free to head over there and start editing :)
As a little aside, this is how the Community Portal (https://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/RimWorld_Wiki:Community_portal) looks on my end now. It looked dreadful before on the dark design due to inline CSS coding making it unreadable. That is fixed now, so it's easier to adapt the look in the future. The default skin version (the white one) should look exactly like it did, but is easier to change in both that and other skins by using CSS files instead of inline tag styling (not a good practice, in general).
(http://i.imgur.com/xuN1D7Ql.png) (https://imgur.com/xuN1D7Q)
Little heads up: I've started working on some help pages (https://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Help:Contents) -- while leaning on MediaWiki (https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Contents) and Gamepedia (https://help.gamepedia.com) help pages.
Why re-invent the wheel? This is why that license thing was such a big deal.
Hopefully this will be useful for both new and old editors.
Edit:
It's now possible to get a glimpse of what the new infoboxes may look like on the wiki itself, without all that CSS malarky. Not everything looks right on the default skin, but at least they show up as infoboxes now instead of a garbled mess.
Here are two examples from test pages I'm fiddling with
* https://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/User:Pangaea/Animal_test
* https://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/User:Pangaea/Biome_test
I'll probably have to throw in the towel here. Too much to do, too much stuff doesn't work, and I simply don't have the time. I should focus on more important things in life than voluntary work for this that would seemingly never end.
I've written tons here, so people know here to go if anybody want to pick up.
Quote from: Pangaea on August 07, 2019, 12:27:50 PM
I'll probably have to throw in the towel here. Too much to do, too much stuff doesn't work, and I simply don't have the time. I should focus on more important things in life than voluntary work for this that would seemingly never end.
I've written tons here, so people know here to go if anybody want to pick up.
Thanks for the work you did! Maybe go play the game some now!!
Quote from: BlackSmokeDMax on August 14, 2019, 10:19:35 PM
Thanks for the work you did! Maybe go play the game some now!!
Thank you. Glad to hear people appreciate it, even if I hadn't hoped things would end like this. It was simply way too much for one (hobbyist) to pull off. I had a ton of plans and wanted to improve matters. But one can't really do these things half-arsed, everything is connected. And with the issues faced, especially with Cargo, which I didn't expect, it became too frustrating. I couldn't bare to spend so much time to try to hunt down Cargo errors, and CSS override errors with every selector under the sky.
On the bright side, it has been fun to spend more time actually playing the game :)