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So has anyone heard the "journalist" who went on to say that "8chan is an extremist group". If so what was your reaction? if you have not seen it, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlnY17pgYwg
Pic related, my reaction.

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In this day and age anything that doesn't roll over and conform to rampant political correctness is more or less automatically labeled "extremist", to the point where most of our parents and grandparents by today's standards would have been considered "extremist" in some way shape or form, which most of us realize is a ridiculous proposition.

If the people pushing this "social justice" crap were really concerned about "misogyny", I'd like to see them tackle the rap/hiphop subculture for starters, or hell, good old porn. Of course they can't/won't do that because they don't want to anger other "protected minority" groups, such as the crazy neo-feminists who claim porn is "empowering" (lol). So they go after the pasty white nerds who by and large struggle to even get laid in the first place and add the evil misogyny accusation on top of their preexisting sexual misery.

Pathetic, tbh. They absolutely deserve all the backlash they're getting (they call it "bullying" when they've been spending huge amounts of time and resources trying to shove political agendas in videogame journalism).

The internet is full of terrible journalists who write shitty articles. Just don't pay attention to them.

Don't share them just because they're awful. That's what they want.

It's nice to see so many women are joining the male dominated area, of being a huge piece of ****. Most terrible people I see these days spreading hate are women. And they are singlehandedly hurting feminism so badly! I've heard people use "feminist" as an offensive term even!

Such crazy times. But they say that it's the darkest before the dawn or something. Once these crazies are weeded out, equality can finally flurish. This is only a temporary problem.

Oh and thanks lots of sharing this! Shocked I did not find out sooner.

I've had too many friends join the reddit / chan communities and come out as scum. So I can see where the journalist is seriously exaggerating from.

Quote from: Minus on October 18, 2014, 09:58:43 AM
It's nice to see so many women are joining the male dominated area, of being a huge piece of ****. Most terrible people I see these days spreading hate are women. And they are singlehandedly hurting feminism so badly! I've heard people use "feminist" as an offensive term even!

Such crazy times. But they say that it's the darkest before the dawn or something. Once these crazies are weeded out, equality can finally flurish. This is only a temporary problem.

Oh and thanks lots of sharing this! Shocked I did not find out sooner.

In my part of Australia, Feminism is relatable to Fascism. Women in our area use it as an excuse to get an upper edge in any argument or discussion, using their "Plight" as a way to guilt trip people into seeing their way, I respect that those who started feminism wanted equality, but unfortunately the loud voices always drown out those who have good intentions.

thats why I am an egalterinist I believe all should be treated as equal under the law.

Egalitarianism is certainly the better -ism to be pursuing.
Being an egalitarian is, in my opinion, the only real way forward.

Off-topic but that's kinda the point I suppose.

On topic I would agree with Justin C in saying that the internet is full of terrible journalism and sometimes the best tactic is to simply ignore them. Then again having a discussion about their merits or demerits might be more constructive...

I'm at work so I can't watch the video (<_<) but reading some commentary in other places I'd have to say that it's probably typical biased 'journalism' that might actually have a point somewhere but gets lost in name calling.

Internet users and internet groups, particularly niche groups, tend to be very problematic in many ways. Anonymity leads to behaviour that would be utterly unacceptable (or maybe that's my bias that I feel it should be unacceptable) in 'polite society'. Whatever polite society is meant to be.

These behaviours become more problematic when they are conditioning peoples standards of what is and what isn't acceptable. I personally think the decline in compassion, morality, and accountability are a symptom of this type of anonymous behaviour  transferring to the 'real world'.

I'm not expert. Didn't even watch the video. But, people on the internet can be right tossers. And more and more that behaviour is translating to more tossers in the real world. Whether they are linked or not is very questionable. More likely than not it's just the real world tossers getting online rather than the other way around.

"Too extreme for 4chan" is on a banner for 8chan.

That just about spells it out.

That's just them using a journalists' line as a joke.

8chan is just 4chan moved to a different place after Gawker lobbying literally bought moot and 4chan mods openly started fighting for the SJW side (or got removed).

Personally I can't help but sympathize with GG no matter how over the top or abusive it might seem to some, because it is a reaction to people trying to inject political agendas in videogames and videogame "journalism" for quite a while now. Way too many "game journalism" sites at this point have turned into pure clickbait crap ranting on about how Patricia Hernandez got raped in GTA5 or something like that. It's downright ridiculous. Gamergate was bound to happen, and those pseudo-journalists were bound to be tar and feathered at some point.

"Gamers" are absolutely right to not want their hobby to become a cesspool of particularly obnoxious political activism.

Quote from: Noobshock on November 02, 2014, 10:35:47 AM
That's just them using a journalists' line as a joke.

8chan is just 4chan moved to a different place after Gawker lobbying literally bought moot and 4chan mods openly started fighting for the SJW side (or got removed).

Personally I can't help but sympathize with GG no matter how over the top or abusive it might seem to some, because it is a reaction to people trying to inject political agendas in videogames and videogame "journalism" for quite a while now. Way too many "game journalism" sites at this point have turned into pure clickbait crap ranting on about how Patricia Hernandez got raped in GTA5 or something like that. It's downright ridiculous. Gamergate was bound to happen, and those pseudo-journalists were bound to be tar and feathered at some point.

"Gamers" are absolutely right to not want their hobby to become a cesspool of particularly obnoxious political activism.

Couldn't have put it better myself.

Thank you for providing me an opportunity to use this joke, it is one of my favorites :)

"Feminism is relatable to fascism"
"Feminists aggravate nerds' pre-existing sexual misery [not getting laid] by talking about sexism"
"The backlash is entirely deserved"

Meanwhile, on 8chan (http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/11/23/gamergate-plays-good-cop-viciously-transphobic-cop/#more-14524), the site with boards for pedophiles because "free speech".

Stuff like this is a good example of why, even though video games are fun to socialize over, it's a terrible thing to actually rally around as some kind of identity. The huge amount of time and resources gamergate has put into pushing their reactionary political agenda onto video game reviewing is astonishing. "The hobby" is now a cesspool of particularly bigoted, obnoxious keyboard wars waged by distinctly unpleasant right wingers, and it's incredibly alienating.

If this forum had a proper non-stupid-looking eyeroll emote I assure you I'd respond with that, but for lack of the aforementioned I suppose I'll have to write out a proper reply.

8chan's boards are user-created and anything that breaks laws tends to get deleted. It's the same tired old trope of "Hurr hurr 4chan is all hackers and pedofiles haven't u herd of anonymuz hurr hurr" inanely spouted by people who have absolutely no clue what they're talking about.

No offense.

Quote from: Nasikabatrachus on November 23, 2014, 09:01:51 PM
"Feminism is relatable to fascism"
"Feminists aggravate nerds' pre-existing sexual misery [not getting laid] by talking about sexism"
"The backlash is entirely deserved"

Meanwhile, on 8chan (http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/11/23/gamergate-plays-good-cop-viciously-transphobic-cop/#more-14524), the site with boards for pedophiles because "free speech".

Stuff like this is a good example of why, even though video games are fun to socialize over, it's a terrible thing to actually rally around as some kind of identity. The huge amount of time and resources gamergate has put into pushing their reactionary political agenda onto video game reviewing is astonishing. "The hobby" is now a cesspool of particularly bigoted, obnoxious keyboard wars waged by distinctly unpleasant right wingers, and it's incredibly alienating.

Sorry to say this, and don't take this as a personal attack, but it sounds like you've been drinking the "Listen and Believe" kool aid. Yes, both sides have a few people who claim that side as their own, who do nothing but harass and antagonise to stir up trouble, but, from a neutral perspective, that happens a lot more on the AGG side than it does the GG, even worse, the figureheads who everyone rally around, not only encourage it but also participate in it. When someone on the AGG side is doxxed, GG'ers tend to call them out on it. When GG'ers get doxxed, AGG'ers either ignore it or worse, dismiss it. Several of the AGG figureheads have used a trans persons suicide, that was not related to GG at all, as "proof" that GG is killing people.

Just for the record, I think that bullying, harassing and doxxing of ANYONE for ANY reason, is unacceptable and I've thrown away friends who have done that several times.

I've been a gamer all my life, yes I identify as a Gamer, Gender, Sexuality, Race, Beliefs, Nationality, none of that matters to me, all that matters to me is your skill at the game, Gaming and being a Gamer has given me access to a broad range of entertainment and an even broader range of friends, but to be called a "misogynistic neckbeard" for supporting GamerGates core ideals (Corruption/Ethics in Videogame Journalism) as a smokescreen to distract from the very real issue of collusion between developers and video game "journalists" (Funny how they label themselves that until they're called on  to use journalism standards of ethics, then they're just "bloggers" and "opinion writers") is absoloutely infuriatating. Especially given my history where not only do i not care about gender, but very many of my gaming friends are female, hell, in the late 2000's I ran with an entirely all girl Mechwarrior Clan and I can honestly say it was the best time I've ever had in gaming.

I support GamerGate's core ideals of Ethics in videogame journalism and development.
I support Women in the making and playing of Videogames. (I also want more diverse main characters, as long as they're well developed and written and not just shoehorned in as a weak and pathetic attemptto be "inclusive")
I'm absoloutely 100% against harassment or bullying in any form towards anyone.

So what am I?

Hell, no matter who you are, no matter your personal beliefs, opinions etc etc, I'll still game with them, as long as nobody brings their politics or agendas into the game, I'll play with anyone.

Quote from: RayvenQ on November 24, 2014, 01:49:36 AM
Sorry to say this, and don't take this as a personal attack, but it sounds like you've been drinking the "Listen and Believe" kool aid.

"Don't take this as a personal attack, but it sounds like you're a cult member" lmao.

Just out of curiosity, what exactly do you think "listen and believe" refers to in the context Sarkeesian presented it, without looking it up or searching for some definition? I literally never heard of it until GamerGate made it The Sum of All Evil. Furthermore, please explain what it has to do with ethics in video games journalism. Just because of this post, I'm going to watch her talk right now so I know what this is even about.

Quote from: Evelyn on November 23, 2014, 11:58:23 PM
If this forum had a proper non-stupid-looking eyeroll emote I assure you I'd respond with that, but for lack of the aforementioned I suppose I'll have to write out a proper reply.

8chan's boards are user-created and anything that breaks laws tends to get deleted. It's the same tired old trope of "Hurr hurr 4chan is all hackers and pedofiles haven't u herd of anonymuz hurr hurr" inanely spouted by people who have absolutely no clue what they're talking about.

No offense.

I brought it up because the guy who runs 8chan specifically defends allowing pedophiles to form communities on on that site:
http://www.dailydot.com/politics/8chan-pedophiles-child-porn-gamergate/

"It's all user driven" is a good way of pretending there's no difference in policy between various sites, and thus no particular identity or culture that can be critiqued, but there's always someone running the servers, and they typically know what's going on. There's a reason Reddit sent a gold bobblehead to violentacrez.

Quote from: Nasikabatrachus on November 24, 2014, 02:02:38 AM

Quote from: RayvenQ on November 24, 2014, 01:49:36 AM
Sorry to say this, and don't take this as a personal attack, but it sounds like you've been drinking the "Listen and Believe" kool aid.

"Don't take this as a personal attack, but it sounds like you're a cult member" lmao.

Just out of curiosity, what exactly do you think "listen and believe" refers to in the context Sarkeesian presented it, without looking it up or searching for some definition? I literally never heard of it until GamerGate made it The Sum of All Evil. Furthermore, please explain what it has to do with ethics in video games journalism. Just because of this post, I'm going to watch her talk right now so I know what this is even about.

While the Listen and Believe phrase was originally Anita referring to women being harassed, it's also become shorthand for people who blindly listen to and believe everything Anita and those AGG figureheads side spout and blindly taking their word for it, for what they say in general, not specifically towards harassment, such as the whole "GG is a misogynistic patriarch conspiracy"

In hindsight, I should have left that out as it seems that it's all you took away from my post instead of the rest of what I put. What I specifically meant was that it appears you've just gotten one side of the GamerGate issue, that being the AGG side of it, which is deflecting from the original issue. This is what I get for trying to talk about such a convoluted topic when I've just woken up.

Quote from: Nasikabatrachus on November 24, 2014, 02:23:27 AM
I brought it up because the guy who runs 8chan specifically defends allowing pedophiles to form communities on on that site:
http://www.dailydot.com/politics/8chan-pedophiles-child-porn-gamergate/

"It's all user driven" is a good way of pretending there's no difference in policy between various sites, and thus no particular identity or culture that can be critiqued, but there's always someone running the servers, and they typically know what's going on. There's a reason Reddit sent a gold bobblehead to violentacrez.

You might want to check 8chan's global rules. Actually, I'll save you the trouble.

Quote from: Evelyn on November 24, 2014, 02:37:51 AM

Quote from: Nasikabatrachus on November 24, 2014, 02:23:27 AM
I brought it up because the guy who runs 8chan specifically defends allowing pedophiles to form communities on on that site:
http://www.dailydot.com/politics/8chan-pedophiles-child-porn-gamergate/

"It's all user driven" is a good way of pretending there's no difference in policy between various sites, and thus no particular identity or culture that can be critiqued, but there's always someone running the servers, and they typically know what's going on. There's a reason Reddit sent a gold bobblehead to violentacrez.

You might want to check 8chan's global rules. Actually, I'll save you the trouble.

::)

The point isn't that laws are being consistently broken. If you honestly have no problem with pedophiles congregating online to form little pedophile communities, I suggest you rethink your values. No offense.

If they do so, they're breaking global rules, and global rules are enforced if a site owner wants to keep his site. If you have no problem with throwing allegations of pedophilia around with no evidence to back it up beyond that dailydot article, I suggest you rethink your debate tactics. No offense.

People say the same thing about 4chan, as I said in my initial post on this topic, but that doesn't make it remotely true.

Quote from: Nasikabatrachus on November 24, 2014, 03:28:00 AM

Quote from: Evelyn on November 24, 2014, 02:37:51 AM

Quote from: Nasikabatrachus on November 24, 2014, 02:23:27 AM
I brought it up because the guy who runs 8chan specifically defends allowing pedophiles to form communities on on that site:
http://www.dailydot.com/politics/8chan-pedophiles-child-porn-gamergate/

"It's all user driven" is a good way of pretending there's no difference in policy between various sites, and thus no particular identity or culture that can be critiqued, but there's always someone running the servers, and they typically know what's going on. There's a reason Reddit sent a gold bobblehead to violentacrez.

You might want to check 8chan's global rules. Actually, I'll save you the trouble.

::)

The point isn't that laws are being consistently broken. If you honestly have no problem with pedophiles congregating online to form little pedophile communities, I suggest you rethink your values. No offense.

Well, since it aims to be as free speech as possible (within the law of the operating country) it's either free speech, whether you like the topic or not or you aren't free speech and start limiting what sort of people and topics you allow, which can, in the hands of the wrong mods or admins, extend to topics or opinions you just disagree with.

Also 8chan is just a place where users get together to discuss GG because they can, where in other places such as Reddit or even 4chan, any GG discussion is usually often banned if it's pro GG. It is not the "home" of GamerGate, insofar as it's a just a place where many GG supporters congregate. So 8chan's values =/= GamerGates values, as much as if a bunch of protesters stood outside your home, their values do not automatically become yours and vice versa.

Quote from: RayvenQ on November 24, 2014, 01:49:36 AM

Sorry to say this, and don't take this as a personal attack, but it sounds like you've been drinking the "Listen and Believe" kool aid. Yes, both sides have a few people who claim that side as their own, who do nothing but harass and antagonise to stir up trouble, but, from a neutral perspective, that happens a lot more on the AGG side than it does the GG, even worse, the figureheads who everyone rally around, not only encourage it but also participate in it. When someone on the AGG side is doxxed, GG'ers tend to call them out on it. When GG'ers get doxxed, AGG'ers either ignore it or worse, dismiss it. Several of the AGG figureheads have used a trans persons suicide, that was not related to GG at all, as "proof" that GG is killing people.

The very fact that you use "Listen and Believe" as shorthand for "bad" indicates to me that your perspective isn't as neutral as you seem to think it is. It tells me that you've drunk the koolaid of vilifying Sarkeesian and others because they engage in cultural criticism of video games. I mean, jesus, just a few days ago we had gamergaters praising Jack Thompson for calling Anita Sarkeesian a "censor", even though he literally tried to censor video games and she hasn't. But the Core Value is ethics in video game journalism. Right.

Also, I looked for evidence of "several AGG figureheads" doing what you describe, but I only found a reference to one guy I've never heard of doing so, and I couldn't find any indication that he did so maliciously.

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Just for the record, I think that bullying, harassing and doxxing of ANYONE for ANY reason, is unacceptable and I've thrown away friends who have done that several times.

That's good.

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I've been a gamer all my life, yes I identify as a Gamer, Gender, Sexuality, Race, Beliefs, Nationality, none of that matters to me, all that matters to me is your skill at the game, Gaming and being a Gamer has given me access to a broad range of entertainment and an even broader range of friends, but to be called a "misogynistic neckbeard" for supporting GamerGates core ideals (Corruption/Ethics in Videogame Journalism) as a smokescreen to distract from the very real issue of collusion between developers and video game "journalists" (Funny how they label themselves that until they're called on  to use journalism standards of ethics, then they're just "bloggers" and "opinion writers") is absoloutely infuriatating. Especially given my history where not only do i not care about gender, but very many of my gaming friends are female, hell, in the late 2000's I ran with an entirely all girl Mechwarrior Clan and I can honestly say it was the best time I've ever had in gaming.

You sound nice and all, but maybe don't make common cause with people dedicated to hounding out the eeevil SocJus from Games and harassing female game devs over false accusations of "corruption" if you don't want to get painted with the same brush. If you really saw it from a neutral perspective, you'd realize that a great many people find the idea that GamerGate is about ethics in journalism pretty laughable when GG makes common cause with outlets like Breitbart.com. I mean, jesus. Let's just say every bad thing said about Zoe Quinn, Games Industry Fuck Vixen From Hell, is 100% true. Breitbart is still worse.

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such as the whole "GG is a misogynistic patriarch conspiracy"

Sigh. Please don't tell me you think people believe gamergate is a literal conspiracy.

Quote from: Evelyn on November 24, 2014, 03:36:13 AM
If they do so, they're breaking global rules, and global rules are enforced if a site owner wants to keep his site. If you have no problem with throwing allegations of pedophilia around with no evidence to back it up beyond that dailydot article, I suggest you rethink your debate tactics. No offense.

Tell you what. You google "8chan younglove," and if you feel comfortable clicking on the result, you do so and you come back here and tell me whether it's real or not. Then I'll consider retracting the claim that 8chan allows pedophile communities.

If such a thing exists, it is certainly against the rules, as I have stated numerous times before. What does alleged pedophilia of some of the member base have to do with it anyways (and as usual, people said the SAME THING about 4chan)? It seems like you're just trying to tie the two together to unfairly villainize 8chan.

Quote from: Nasikabatrachus on November 24, 2014, 04:42:17 AM

Quote from: Evelyn on November 24, 2014, 03:36:13 AM
If they do so, they're breaking global rules, and global rules are enforced if a site owner wants to keep his site. If you have no problem with throwing allegations of pedophilia around with no evidence to back it up beyond that dailydot article, I suggest you rethink your debate tactics. No offense.

Tell you what. You google "8chan younglove," and if you feel comfortable clicking on the result, you do so and you come back here and tell me whether it's real or not. Then I'll consider retracting the claim that 8chan allows pedophile communities.

I usually like to avoid adding my two-sense when it comes to internet forums, however, to accuse 8chan of allowing the sharing of cp is downright ridiculous.

http://guardianlv.com/2014/11/the-daily-dot-charges-gamergate-with-connection-to-pedophilia/

In addition, while the fact that pedophile communities are allowed on 8chan makes me uncomfortable, I would also like to point out that the law is the law, and it doesn't apply to how myself or anyone feels on the matter. 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/02/04/a-new-argument-for-hate-speech-laws-um-no/

Additionally, here's a more credible source if those other two were too "click-batey" It's called the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and it more than sums it up.

http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/

Edit: more specifically article 19