Ludeon Forums

RimWorld => Support => Topic started by: riot186 on November 07, 2013, 05:36:07 PM

Title: Send owl downloads
Post by: riot186 on November 07, 2013, 05:36:07 PM
whenever you download from send owl link the number of allowed downloads goes down. When an update is release does the number go back up?
Title: Re: Send owl downloads
Post by: TripleZero on November 07, 2013, 05:39:56 PM
the dev said so yeah.
Title: Re: Send owl downloads
Post by: riot186 on November 07, 2013, 05:41:03 PM
Quote from: TripleZero on November 07, 2013, 05:39:56 PM
the dev said so yeah.
awesome :)
Title: Re: Send owl downloads
Post by: Naddox on November 07, 2013, 05:51:18 PM
Well with today's update, I can say it did not go back up.
Title: Re: Send owl downloads
Post by: Tynan on November 07, 2013, 05:52:47 PM
Which version didn't go up? Windows or all of them?
Title: Re: Send owl downloads
Post by: Tynan on November 07, 2013, 05:53:44 PM
I just hit the reset button again, can you check once more?
Title: Re: Send owl downloads
Post by: Produno on November 07, 2013, 05:54:35 PM
Windows, still only has 2 attempts remaining for me.

just to clarify, im  unsure of the others as i didnt d/l them, but the prototype pack didnt reset also (though not sure if its meant to) but i would assume this means none of them are reseting.
Title: Re: Send owl downloads
Post by: CanOfCandid on November 07, 2013, 05:56:30 PM
I can also confirm the download counter did not reset. I'm on Mac so after today's update my Mac client download has 2 downloads left.
Title: Re: Send owl downloads
Post by: Tynan on November 07, 2013, 05:58:30 PM
Okay. I'll address this. Thanks.
Title: Re: Send owl downloads
Post by: NickFrei on November 07, 2013, 05:59:30 PM
Quote from: Tynan on November 07, 2013, 05:52:47 PM
Which version didn't go up? Windows or all of them?

I download only Windows and it didn't go up, i can download only 2 times more.
Title: Re: Send owl downloads
Post by: Tynan on November 07, 2013, 06:02:37 PM
I've done all I can see to do on my end with no luck. I've sent a flash priority request to SendOwl to take a look. Will keep looking into this. Sorry to all who are affected (those at 0 downloads). I hope there aren't too many.
Title: Re: Send owl downloads
Post by: rsdworker on November 07, 2013, 06:04:39 PM
i have suggestion - maybe different download service
Title: Re: Send owl downloads
Post by: Naddox on November 07, 2013, 06:35:18 PM
Too bad steam doesn't support exclusive releases :/ Then he could release it to the people who paid for early access on steam
Title: Re: Send owl downloads
Post by: Nocebo on November 07, 2013, 06:53:23 PM
My download counts ALL go up by 1, since i downloaded 250 once for windows, it's natural i get 4,4,3,4 as my new download options. I don't see a problem here.
Title: Re: Send owl downloads
Post by: MidnightToker on November 07, 2013, 06:54:44 PM
I can confirm this happened to me as well (on Windows).
Title: Re: Send owl downloads
Post by: null on November 07, 2013, 07:15:47 PM
With the text file before release, I had 5 downloads. Downloaded that, so all release files were with 4 downloads left.
Downloaded the Linux release and prototype pack, both down to 3.
Downloaded the Linux update, down to 2.
Title: Re: Send owl downloads
Post by: Mansen on November 07, 2013, 08:03:16 PM
Mine's showing correctly - I've got 4 downloads on the things I haven't downloaded, and 3 on the ones I have. :)
Title: Re: Send owl downloads
Post by: Spike on November 07, 2013, 08:23:08 PM
Yeah, I'm at 4, 4, 2, 4, after downloading 250 & 254 (Windows).
Title: Re: Send owl downloads
Post by: Lord Inquisitor on November 07, 2013, 08:26:58 PM
2,2,2,3 on my links after 254
Title: Re: Send owl downloads
Post by: arcanise on November 07, 2013, 08:58:28 PM
I recommend another download service, maybe a spot on this site where only certain tiers can access the download links. im a web designer if you would like any more details.
Title: Re: Send owl downloads
Post by: LexC on November 07, 2013, 09:09:29 PM
4434 here, I'm good
Title: Re: Send owl downloads
Post by: NickFrei on November 07, 2013, 09:31:18 PM
Receive email now, with an Update ... go to the Page and see: 5, 5, 3, 5 every File is gone up by 1.
Title: Re: Send owl downloads
Post by: Redrcl on November 07, 2013, 09:32:51 PM
Quote from: Naddox on November 07, 2013, 06:35:18 PM
Too bad steam doesn't support exclusive releases :/ Then he could release it to the people who paid for early access on steam

If Tynan wanted i've seen them release beta codes to allow only people with the codes to download the game.
Title: Re: Send owl downloads
Post by: null on November 07, 2013, 10:00:25 PM
Ah, with the new 254b build all my downloads got +1.
Still, pretty strange system. Can't wait for a Desura version.
Title: Re: Send owl downloads
Post by: Seppukun on November 07, 2013, 10:23:08 PM
Sorry to say I've got the same problem, down to 2 downloads remaining on SendOwl, having downloaded the Mac version. I understand it's being worked on, thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Send owl downloads
Post by: willow512 on November 08, 2013, 08:32:20 AM
Quote from: Naddox on November 07, 2013, 06:35:18 PM
Too bad steam doesn't support exclusive releases :/ Then he could release it to the people who paid for early access on steam
Actually steam does. You can add your game to steam and release various updates for it before even going live. People who have the steam keys for your game can download and play even if you're not live.

Project Zomboid has been running from steam for the past few months, both in regular and beta variants. Lets just say they had a lot of bugs to iron out.
Title: Re: Send owl downloads
Post by: ticktockbent on November 08, 2013, 08:59:53 AM
Quote from: Naddox on November 07, 2013, 06:35:18 PM
Too bad steam doesn't support exclusive releases :/ Then he could release it to the people who paid for early access on steam
This would work fine on Steam. Just give keys out to the people who qualify for early access.
Title: Re: Send owl downloads
Post by: 10rotator01 on November 08, 2013, 04:39:42 PM
I have got the same error. 5,5,2,4. I downloaded the prototype pack once, and the versions 250, 254 and 254b. The counter didn't go up. Thanks for looking into it. ;)
Title: Re: Send owl downloads
Post by: Tynan on November 08, 2013, 05:19:33 PM
It actually just resets in a weird way where it can go above the maximum, which confuses people as to what the maximum was. Don't worry too much, it is working.
Title: Re: Send owl downloads
Post by: rsdworker on November 08, 2013, 05:31:14 PM
Quote from: Tynan on November 08, 2013, 05:19:33 PM
It actually just resets in a weird way where it can go above the maximum, which confuses people as to what the maximum was. Don't worry too much, it is working.

ah so there is other way to download unlimited - maybe provide a different link?
Title: Re: Send owl downloads
Post by: mohreb on November 08, 2013, 08:21:03 PM
Quote from: rsdworker on November 08, 2013, 05:31:14 PM
Quote from: Tynan on November 08, 2013, 05:19:33 PM
It actually just resets in a weird way where it can go above the maximum, which confuses people as to what the maximum was. Don't worry too much, it is working.

ah so there is other way to download unlimited - maybe provide a different link?

i think it would make some security problems (which might be the origin of this download / timers in the origin)
(if it guess up to 5 at each update that should be enough i think, hope it is not painful for Tynan to request ...) then at the final release hopefully there will be a simpler system to release ...
Title: Re: Send owl downloads
Post by: null on November 08, 2013, 08:50:09 PM
Quote from: mohreb on November 08, 2013, 08:21:03 PM
Quote from: rsdworker on November 08, 2013, 05:31:14 PM
Quote from: Tynan on November 08, 2013, 05:19:33 PM
It actually just resets in a weird way where it can go above the maximum, which confuses people as to what the maximum was. Don't worry too much, it is working.

ah so there is other way to download unlimited - maybe provide a different link?

i think it would make some security problems (which might be the origin of this download / timers in the origin)
(if it guess up to 5 at each update that should be enough i think, hope it is not painful for Tynan to request ...) then at the final release hopefully there will be a simpler system to release ...

Limited downloads are a form of Digital Restriction Mechanism, and therefore render software Defective By Design.
I can understand that Tynan uses such a system in the beginning, just because it's easy, but really, I hope eventually RimWorld will be available on Desura, and, as usual, without any need for Digital Restriction Mechanisms. Because good games don't need them (and bad ones don't have any use for them, either.).
Title: Re: Send owl downloads
Post by: Blackbird on November 08, 2013, 09:18:14 PM
I'm also having the same problem.  I was actually a little taken aback when I saw there were download limits.  I would recommend you seriously reconsider using a system to restrict downloads.  If it's a bandwidth issue, use mirrors, or a peer-to-peer protocol in addition to the regular downloads.  People who will pirate will just download them from elsewhere.  Accept that it will happen, and realize there is no way to restrict it in any meaningful way.  Any attempts at doing so will, at best, inconvenience those who have supported you so far. 

Realize that most people will want to buy your game if it's any good, and think of piracy as another way to increase exposure of the game, like radio, or YouTube.  As others have said, you may want to consider releasing on Desura (and GOG once it's ready for debut).  While it's true these platforms will take a cut of the profits, the exposure generated could be worth it. 
Title: Re: Send owl downloads
Post by: JEBWrench on November 08, 2013, 11:55:54 PM
Quote from: null on November 08, 2013, 08:50:09 PM
Quote from: mohreb on November 08, 2013, 08:21:03 PM
Quote from: rsdworker on November 08, 2013, 05:31:14 PM
Quote from: Tynan on November 08, 2013, 05:19:33 PM
It actually just resets in a weird way where it can go above the maximum, which confuses people as to what the maximum was. Don't worry too much, it is working.

ah so there is other way to download unlimited - maybe provide a different link?

i think it would make some security problems (which might be the origin of this download / timers in the origin)
(if it guess up to 5 at each update that should be enough i think, hope it is not painful for Tynan to request ...) then at the final release hopefully there will be a simpler system to release ...

Limited downloads are a form of Digital Restriction Mechanism, and therefore render software Defective By Design.
I can understand that Tynan uses such a system in the beginning, just because it's easy, but really, I hope eventually RimWorld will be available on Desura, and, as usual, without any need for Digital Restriction Mechanisms. Because good games don't need them (and bad ones don't have any use for them, either.).

Desura is also a form of DRM.
Title: Re: Send owl downloads
Post by: W1Z25 on November 09, 2013, 12:07:06 AM
the goal is that in the long run there will be a launcher with an auto updater
Title: Re: Send owl downloads
Post by: null on November 09, 2013, 12:29:00 AM
Quote from: JEBWrench on November 08, 2013, 11:55:54 PM
Desura is also a form of DRM.

Nope, unlike Steam, Desura is a shop. It doesn't have any DRM included, you just buy a game and afterward can play it without any interaction with Linden Labs. Desura is agnostic towards Digital Restriction Mechanisms. If you have a game with DRM on Desura, then those are restrictions from the game developer, not Desura.
https://www.defectivebydesign.org/blog/1259
Title: Re: Send owl downloads
Post by: JEBWrench on November 09, 2013, 12:39:28 AM
Quote from: null on November 09, 2013, 12:29:00 AM
Quote from: JEBWrench on November 08, 2013, 11:55:54 PM
Desura is also a form of DRM.

Nope, unlike Steam, Desura is a shop. It doesn't have any DRM included, you just buy a game and afterward can play it without any interaction with Linden Labs. Desura is agnostic towards Digital Restriction Mechanisms. If you have a game with DRM on Desura, then those are restrictions from the game developer, not Desura.
https://www.defectivebydesign.org/blog/1259

Ah. My mistake, sorry! PM'd you a question regarding it to avoid any further derailing.
Title: Re: Send owl downloads
Post by: Tynan on November 11, 2013, 12:20:32 PM
If you run out of attempts (you'll start with 5) for your copy, please just email me and I can reset it for you. [email protected]
Title: Re: Send owl downloads
Post by: Goldberger on November 12, 2013, 03:26:26 AM
Quote from: Tynan on November 11, 2013, 12:20:32 PM
If you run out of attempts (you'll start with 5) for your copy, please just email me and I can reset it for you. [email protected]

very good, i live in 2 places and downloaded the latest version there and well i thought that i will use usb memory to get the game here so i save one download.. well the damn usb memory has problems so files are corrupt and i had to download it again so i'm down to 1 download now..

Seems when new version is out i'm at 0 downloads then so i will be sending e-mail then :D
Title: Re: Send owl downloads
Post by: natedes on April 25, 2016, 09:19:03 PM
Could you reset mine aswell
:)
Title: Re: Send owl downloads
Post by: Tynan on April 25, 2016, 09:26:36 PM
Quote from: natedes on April 25, 2016, 09:19:03 PM
Could you reset mine aswell
:)

Please email [email protected] - thanks.