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ok, i realize what's the problem

The Chinese translation of rimworld has 2 identity descriptions in this statement
1- They are the Rimworld "official" Chinese translation team
2- They operate a "rimworld official forum" authorized by the rimworld game author (Tainan), in other words they are "rimworld official forum administrators"

However, regarding them running an "official rimworld forum" authorized by the author of the rimworld game (Tynan)...this is inconsistent with Tynan's description

In the past, I tried to report some "bad things" done by the Chinese translation of rimworld through LCR-12
So I PM Tynan
(Excerpt from private message)
Rule 12 in the Ludeon Community Rules describes "If a mod is enforcing rules inconsistently with what's written here, that's a violation that can be report directly to Tynan."
I hope to report some of these behaviors to you...but I will not confirm whether the notification object applies to this rule...
So, does the mainstream public platform established by the translators who work on the "rimworld" game body under your authorization (and they CLAIM to HAVE a good relationship with you-the game producer) to discuss "rimworld" apply the Ludeon community rules?

After that, Tynan replied to me


(Sorry Tainan, I know it's rude to publish PM content privately...but this matter is really serious. I have to confirm whether the Chinese translation of rimworld is "rimworld official staff"...)
(And, I didn't realize at the time that the rimworld Chinese translation claimed to be the "admin of the official rimworld forum")
Although, "the mainstream public platform established by the translators who work on the "rimworld" game body under your authorization" does not refer to the "rimworld official forum" stated in this statement... although to a certain extent this ambiguity The description also applies to this "rimworld official forum"
But to a certain extent, Tynan's reply clarifies the scope that currently applies to the LCR - just our own forums, reddit, and discord.


Considering the scope of the LCR: These rules apply to all official parts of the RimWorld community
And the Chinese translation of rimworld once rumored that a game code similar to rimworld copied rimworld and was found out... (But after that, the source code of this game was leaked to the Chinese Internet and reported on a large scale by the Chinese game media.... .. a rimworld Chinese translator is suspected of being involved.)
I suspect that the rimworld Chinese translation's claim to be authorized by the rimworld game author to operate a rimworld official forum is a lie

People really like to use the word "official" when they are known by x amount of people or just to make them sound more important. I guess it's for Ludeon to decide though if this is posing as anything Ludeon or just as "fans" and creators of the translation.

A lot of these names are written as credit in the Chinese LanguageInfo.xml though, so they are probably really the people who made the Rimworld Chinese translation. (The "official" fan translation)

First of all thank you for your reply... this question really only Ludeon can answer.
they do provide translations for rimworld... i think it should be true
as well as. . . Thanks for your reply I finally understand what's wrong with my description

The Chinese translation of rimworld has 2 identity descriptions in this statement
1- They are the Rimworld "official" Chinese translation team
2- They run a "rimworld official forum" authorized by the rimworld game author (Tynan), in other words they are "rimworld official forum administrators"

But, about the part about "they are official rimworld forum administrators"... I messed up the translation
And I didn't post the "unofficial reply" from Tynan himself

[authorized]

According to ludeon's reply, this topic may be regarded as a complaint about pretending to be ludeon / ludeon staff.
The translation is mainly by Google Translate, please allow me to apologize for the quality of the translation in advance
Due to screenshots of original evidence...had to go against LCR-19-English language to some extent
I'm not used to posting on BBS yet.....hope the format is normal




Happened in China, in a discord-like platform - Tencent's QQ



(The red box is the key claim part, see below for the specific text content and semi-manual translation)

Chinese original text of key content
这里是Rimworld官方交流群。「本群由Rimworld官方中文汉化组（边缘汉化组）和百度Rimworld吧务联合组织管理。」
Ps. 本群是拥有Rimworld游戏作者授权的官方群组，不存在盗版游戏本体。

The translation of the version I provide is
This is Rimworld's official communication forum. "This group is jointly organized by RimWorld-zh （Rimworld official Chinese translation team）and "RimWorld ba-administrator" .
Ps. This group is an official forum authorized by the Rimworld game author. There are no pirated games.
（June 09, 2022 renew. . . Google Translate really missed a keyword）


（The term "forum" as used herein refers to all public and private discussion platforms.
The original expression of the original text is "group"（群）, which can be understood as a communication platform like Discord）

It should be noted that - ludeon has never used the word "official" to describe the rimworld simplified Chinese translation, either in the rimworld's STEAM store page that says "all non-English translations are provided by fans."（所有非英语翻译均由粉丝提供）, or in the rimworld simplified Chinese game main interface "All translations of RimWorld are made by fans of this game" （RimWorld的所有翻译均由本游戏爱好者制作）in .
And ludeon uses ludeon to describe itself, not "Rimworld's official"

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2 organizations appearing in this statement

-1-Rimworld official Chinese translation team（rimworld-zh 、 边缘汉化组）
https://rimworldzh.huijiwiki.com/wiki/About#
they describe themselves
-"The RimWorld-zh is a translation team constructed by duduluu and Biscuit.
We focus on translating RimWorld vanilla game and mods, including both of Simplified Chinese and Tranditianal Chinese."



rimworld-zh member list (lack of maintenance)

In fact, they use the logos of "边缘汉化组" and "rimworld-zh" in the STEAM workshop. In theory all uploaders using these logos are "highly likely" to be members of rimworld-zh


-2-"RimWorld ba-administrator"

People who manage baidu tieba (reddit in China) rimworlod ba.
https://tieba.baidu.com/f?ie=utf-8&kw=rimworld&fr=search



"RimWorld ba-administrator" 2019ver
Screenshot source -
https://weibo.com/ttarticle/p/show?id=2309404327748549128638
The red boxes are marked by the original screenshotters

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And their names are in rimworld's credits



Red box - red marker for "RimWorld ba-administrator" 2019ver
Blue Box- Founder of rimworld-zh
Yellow box - both "RimWorld ba-administrator" 2019ver and rimworld-zh member list (lack of maintenance)
pink box - only rimworld-zh member list  (lack of maintenance)
Orange Box - only  "RimWorld ba-administrator" 2019ver

Also, this is just a preliminary identification.... the actual personnel may be more
And "RimWorld ba-administrator" has a 2022 version (but many people's nicknames have changed, do not confirm the situation)

This topic is translated using free translation software, translation quality cannot be guaranteed.
This topic focuses on the birth of Rule 14 and some of the details of the IGNI's Lost Forest and RJW conflict.

In particular, some gamers still regard IGNI as a "tragic hero" who abandoned the mod's public creation due to the cyber violence of RJW players..... It ignores the birth of rule 14.

Digression: For IGNI's creations to suffer from "RJW", I say... Sympathy. I talk to a lot of modders (IGNI included) who treat their creations like their daughters... They are sad to see their creations suffer misfortune.


I would like confirmation from Ludeon (as the supreme arbiter of rimWorld mod community)
1-Was the creation of Rule 14 related to the IGNI Lost Forest hostile incompatible action?
2-IGNI's Lost Forest suffering "This item is incompatible with RimWorld." in RimWorld's STEAM workshop, was it a response from Ludeon?
3-Have Ludeon received reports of hostility incompatible action in IGNI's Lost Forest resulting in player saves being broken?

1. No, it existed before the Lost Forest issue.
2. As far as I know yes it was done via Ludeon's Steam support team.
3. Yes which is why the mod was marked as incompatible.

Personal opinion that is my own and does not relate to anything official from Ludeon, nothing is worse than putting in hazardous code to punish people who use another mod. I don't agree with the mod that sparked this response from the mod maker but I even more don't agree with hostile action in a way that could harm the playability of others. There is always a better way to get your feelings out.

Thanks for your clear and precise answer. This makes a lot of sense for my history study.
And...I agree with your personal opinion...
"There is always a better way to get your feelings out."

Alright so I'm going to do my best to explain as much of what I understand from your questions and you can let me know if I miss anything.

As far as I know we had Lost Forest removed for breaking essentially our Terms of Service when doing anything Rimworld modding wise; it had bad code in it that was causing it to destabilize the client if it detected another mod. That's a big no-no and not only was against what Ludeon says when making mod content but I think it also broke several Steam side rules.

Reporting to moderator on this forum sends me a ticket of that post so I can investigate.

Reporting on Steam alerts myself and several others that there may be an issue but I believe it also alerts Steam's personal moderation team to investigate but I could be wrong.

Ludeon controls the Ludeon.com forums. This is the official forums for Rimworld; that being said there are... dear lord at least fifty-three forums for Rimworld that I actively know about, none of them are controlled by Ludeon, Tynan, myself (acting as moderator/community liason~support, etc), but instead are controlled by their own teams. We have no real power to interact or control what they do just shy of breaking the law or risking certain aspects of Rimworld from a legal sense.

On here we allow criticizing but keep it clean. Don't like a mod, well you can tell a mod maker that you don't like their mod but also be a nice enough person to take the five to ten minutes to explain why you don't like a mod. Don't fight about it, don't be rude, and certainly don't be toxic. Critique like an adult looking for similar adult feedback. I normally step in when someone reports a problematic review against a mod but those are far and few.

Now when it comes to Steam at most I can shake my fist and tell people to be nice when reviewing Steam workshop content; a mod maker reserves the right to block and report whomever they want from their Steam workshop page, can argue however they want, etc. My job is to make sure things run smoothly but the social aspects of the mod workshop is a fickle thing and at best I just tell people to stop before elevating it to Steam support to take care of... bit more of a wild west situation for a lot of the Steam workshop.

All right, one by one.
First of all, I have reported the topic I need your reply to...
The problem is that the description in the reporting interface is "Use this function to inform the moderators and administrators of an abusive or wrongly posted message."
The fact that I didn't send the connection directly is that I don't confirm whether sending the connection about the information would violate rule 5.

After that, it's about the lost forest of igni
Okay, let's talk about specific topics

Third, the official forum about rimworld
I suspect the situation you are worried about may have already happened... Details will be discussed in the PM

Fourth, about the right to criticize.
Thank you for making it clear what kind of criticism is protected.

Fifth, the part about the STEAM workshop...
Translations from free translation software have made it difficult for me to understand precisely, and I'll look for reliable human translators...

SilentMug I owe you an apology; I have been testing new anti-spam countermeasures and it flagged your posting as potential spam this morning. I've since whitelisted you and am beyond sorry for the trouble, I am new with this system and am still trying to tinker how it functions.

And, you don't have to apologize. Anti-spam countermeasures are normal.
Due to the..."sensitivity" of my discussion of these topics, I have to be cautious.

Hi, you don't have to apologize for using translation software.

I'm pretty much the most active admin in terms of handling folk these days with the exception of direct staff who take care of bug reports and similar things.

I'll yell/punish people if they go into a thread and act like a jackass. If you have a legit concern with content theft/etc and bring it up in a thread then be sure to report the thread using our report function and I or someone else will take a look at it.

The only time anyone's posts ever go missing or otherwise anymore, as far as I know, is when I wipe bots (we get a good bit of them) or if they were causing unwelcomed problems/trolling and wouldn't stop when warned.

You can also DM me directly if you're having a problem and I'll do my best to take care of it as long as it pertains to either this forum itself or the Steam Workshop to an extent.

OK, thanks for your reply and moderator's attention.

The attempt to deprive the right of criticism does not happen in "an Official Ludeon Discussion Forum, or one controlled by Ludeon staff". This matter is more complicated.... I will confirm the details with you in a private message.


(Although I really wanted to know about IGNI's Lost Forest Suffering "This item is incompatible with RimWorld." In RimWorld's STEAM Workshop, was it a response from Ludeon? But this is another topic content... Well, can I send you a link to this topic?
(And, does Report to Moderator not just mean 'to Report irregularities and infringements' but also to ask for the moderator's attention? OK, I will use this function to report other content that needs the attention of moderators.)


but i want to know now
Are other official forums (official forums other than "Here and Ludeon Staff Control Forum") also subject to Ludeon Community Rules?
Or is there another possibility?

And I really want to know about the right to criticize. Do modders have the right to "demand" players not to criticize their mods (as per Rule 1- not personally)? It's not "please", it's "demand". The difference is that "please" can't punish non-compliance, whereas "demand" has a certain... Consequences of non-compliance.
(It is possible that the translation of these words is not accurate... I know these words don't have these extended meanings in English.）

And take the liberty to ask....well...how to identify who is Ludeon staff in this forum

Ludeon member should have Developer title below their name.
Some Moderator (title below name too) get paid/work for Ludeon some not.

OK, thanks.

My personal comment,
it must be a reason you can't find RJW at the workshop  !
And personal i don't give any support/hints when i see RJW at their modlist.

In fact, there are SJWs or HJWs (I'm not sure....I can't open the workshop right now)

But you said "i don't give any support/hints" instead of "hostile incompatibility"...after all hostile incompatibility involves a violation of the player's right to choose mods

And take the liberty to ask....well...how to identify who is Ludeon staff in this forum

I can't speak for steam and their discussion, but at the forum i am very active.
I saw many criticism and i never notice that any of these got deleted.

Do players have the right to criticize mods and some behaviors such as copyright theft and bullying?

Don't forget mod's don't belong to Ludeon, they belong to the mod author.
Some mod author like to see criticism and feedback other less.
Some say their mod is their baby and how they like to change the game at their way they like and not how you would like to see their mod at your way you would like.
If you don't like a mod is going, noone prevent you to made your own mod.

It is still free software translation, and the quality is still not guaranteed

Please forgive my Eastern euphemism
The critical rights controversy I'm talking about doesn't happen on STEAM, this forum, or any of the other "or one controlled by Ludeon Staff."

The central question is
"In particular, some people claiming to be authorized by Tynan to manage rimWorld's forums are trying to take away critical rights from Players"
An official forum claiming to be licensed by Tynan (if so) has the right to violate Ludeon Community rules? (Not related to local laws)

Also, because "Some say their mod is their baby". So, is it okay for players to criticize other mods for stealing copyright (in this case, claiming copyright art)? On the one hand it increases the "cost of crime" on the other hand it tells people that "stealing copyright is not right"

This is about consumer rights.I sincerely hope to get a reply from Ludeon (RimWorld producer).
This topic will be saved in the form of screenshots.
This topic is translated using free translation software, translation quality cannot be guaranteed.

The right to criticize discussed in this topic does not include criticism of individuals, but only "games, modules, ideas, philosophies, opinions, religions, projects, social practices, companies, or non-human entities."

The purpose of this article is to clarify whether the right to criticize (not to individuals) is a right granted to RimWorld players by the owners of rimWorld.
In particular, some people claiming to be authorized by Tynan to manage rimWorld's forums are trying to take away critical rights from players
This action may lead to deviations in consumers' understanding of Ludeon Community rules.


As a consumer who purchases rimworld, I would like confirmation from Ludeon

Do players have the right to criticize mods and some behaviors such as copyright theft and bullying?（In particular, Through Ludeon Community Rules Rule1 emphasizes the player's right to criticize）

This topic is translated using free translation software, translation quality cannot be guaranteed.
This topic focuses on the birth of Rule 14 and some of the details of the IGNI's Lost Forest and RJW conflict.

In particular, some gamers still regard IGNI as a "tragic hero" who abandoned the mod's public creation due to the cyber violence of RJW players..... It ignores the birth of rule 14.

Digression: For IGNI's creations to suffer from "RJW", I say... Sympathy. I talk to a lot of modders (IGNI included) who treat their creations like their daughters... They are sad to see their creations suffer misfortune.


I would like confirmation from Ludeon (as the supreme arbiter of rimWorld mod community)
1-Was the creation of Rule 14 related to the IGNI Lost Forest hostile incompatible action?
2-IGNI's Lost Forest suffering "This item is incompatible with RimWorld." in RimWorld's STEAM workshop, was it a response from Ludeon?
3-Have Ludeon received reports of hostility incompatible action in IGNI's Lost Forest resulting in player saves being broken?