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Keeping a discussion level headed is a meager consolation for the absurd amount of fallacy coming from some participants.
So many that you can't decide which one to address first or what's the problem with those people, at some point you don't bother anymore.
In any case, I'm sorry for throwing the mumbler on a different topic.

Mumble, I and others have already addressed and contradicted 90% of the stuff you rant about in previous discourse, frankly you are disappointing.
So I hope you'll understand why I think keeping on the "what's wrong with Breibart?" discussion with you would not be productive.

On this, goodbye.

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which instantly makes me think CRACKED is worthless as news

They never claimed to be one and yet you still learn more from them than breitbart. Which say a lot at how bad breibart is at that.
Frankly I didn't expected a single link to send you on a new diatribe over it. Then again you defend the darndest things (like how you believe in Infinite-Energy Generator on that other topic), so no real surprise.

You say "unverified" and "demonstrated false" but do not cite anything with it.

I did, I'm not required to spoonfeed you common facts you should already know about (if you didn't know about Breitbart being accused of fake news, I suggest you start reading other website, for comparison at least)
The Cracked article was full of good sources already, but if you want other websites...
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/planet-oz/2017/mar/24/breitbarts-james-delingpole-says-reef-bleaching-is-fake-news-hits-peak-denial
https://trofire.com/2016/12/06/breitbarts-pizzagate-conspiracy-fake-news-inspires-real-violence/
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/nov/10/breitbart/breitbart-gets-wrong-loretta-lynch-whitewater-clai/
http://www.snopes.com/scientific-papers-global-warming-myth/
http://www.snopes.com/targets-stock-transgender-bathroom-policy/
http://www.snopes.com/2016/08/07/breitbart-duped-by-fake-news-again/
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/12/27/1614946/-Breitbart-moves-on-to-their-next-propaganda-and-misinformation-target-Germany
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/15/breitbart-fake-news-right-trump

Just so you know:
When normal news network learn they were wrong, they recognize their errors and apologize.
Breibart just cash and make money of those buzz, and will create fake new for it. They'll publish anything that generate money or promote their political views no matter how biased. Only erasing articles (acting as if they never existed) if the public backslash is hurting their profits. (hence why you have to use internet archive to find some of their blunder)

I don't think brietbart EVER tried to say hatecrimes do not exist

Of course you don't, many of the things you defend yourself are called "hate crime" (which is a well defined things, yes).
Breitbart is extremely right-wing conservative with a religious streak, 80% of "hate crime" are indeed things they wish to see spread and so will routinely misrepresent how much hate crime happen, rarely ever use the term themselves when it should be used or play the victim of hate crime in an attempt to discredit it.
So this is no surprise to hear them claim hate crime hoax is "an epidemic"
http://www.breitbart.com/milo/2016/05/02/hate-crime-hoaxes-growing-epidemic/
In reality the number of fake hate crime is too ridiculously small to call it anything. Calling it "epidemic" is pure misinformation.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/06/18/5-charts-show-the-stubborn-persistence-of-american-hate-crime/
But reality goes against Breitbar agenda, so instead they claim it's all conspiracy.

Next,
Your own belief are pretty much misogynistic so again no bet Breitbart and its "women stay in the kitchen" mentality don't look stupid to you. They argue and fight against any step toward treating women as equal to men despite equal skills and routinely deny any sexism with a "women are just inferior" mindset, despite reality and history saying otherwise.
https://www.thecut.com/2016/11/what-steve-bannon-thinks-of-women-and-minority-groups.html

No one will be surprised to notice the text below were written by "Milo Yiannopoulos" (who since then resigned for reason I let your search for)
http://www.breitbart.com/milo/2016/07/01/not-sexism-women-just-suck-interviews/
http://www.breitbart.com/milo/2016/07/07/real-war-on-women-chicks-in-combat/ (you'll notice the picture very respectful of women soldiers fighting for their country)
Note : women are allowed as front line fighter in several country ( in US at least http://time.com/4134976/pentagon-combat-women/ ) and submarines ( http://nypost.com/2017/04/19/how-the-navy-is-redesigning-submarines-to-accommodate-women/ )

Then again, we still have to teach you why some of your beliefs go against LAWS or HUMAN'S RIGHT.

Let's take this new pearl of yours

If a homosexual bakery can refuse to bake a cake with a bible quote about homosexuals having their blood upon them, then a christian bakery can refuse to make a homosexual cake. But this shows that there is indeed privilege in america for SOME groups.

Anybody can refuse to do a job that ask to do illegal things like "promoting hate against a specific group".
Who know what the hell you mean by "homosexual cake", but it is ILLEGAL to discriminate your client based on their beliefs/race/...etc.
If a someone asked a bakery to write "I'm christian & homosexual" there is nothing illegal in it, but it would be illegal (and stupid) for a christian baker to refuse to do it.
For the same reason it is illegal for any shop/restaurant to refuse to serve a couple because they are religious, homosexual or of an ethnic group so long as no law was broken.

Your inability to understand laws that goes against your bigotry are why those threads always devolve into teaching you logic and reasons.

6 : Lol, hilary? Well first off, the cunt lost

I applaud your respectful take[/sarcasm] on a Presidential candidate that was supported by more of the US population than Trump (the US Electoral College baffle a lot of us).
Speaking of hypocrisy, yours (and Breitbart) is beyond imagination. I'm from a country who had a president who fainted and had to go to the hospital during his term (I'm giving you the big hint here).

If we listened to those idiots, President who survived assassination-attempt (Theodore Roosevelt) should have been removed from office.

I don't know for others but Trump MENTAL health is seriously more important for a job as a PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATE OF AMERICA which I've been led to believe required some cogitation and common-sense.
More so than a physical one that clearly didn't keep Hillary from being far more rational than Trump.

No surprise Breibart supported the only candidate who believe their fake news. You can say a lot about News Network political bias, but as far I know they don't get their main executive hired by the candidate they made propaganda for.
This isn't because Breitbart claimed "other do smear campaign against", that they aren't doing smear campaign themselves.

But back to your argument, I'd LOVE to hear which country you are in, even if you didn't include what city or town.

No way! Your rambling about Europeanything are bad enough, I gave you a hint and let you do some thinking

Myself I don't see any argument or interlocutor to keep discussing with.
This topic only exist because you derailed a topic, i wonder if the moderators like to see us haggle with you over the value of truth.

As someone who actually live in Europe and in one of the richest country crossed by refugee/would be immigrant, I can confirm that Mumblemumble's diatribe are just his usual poorly researched -biased when not fallacious- arguments. Trying to justify and impose his own point of view with a disregard for actual fact as long as he believe he look right.

Anyway, we all know any topic involving the mumbling madman will devolve into explaining him how to reason correctly and what are trustworthy source of information.

So...

What exactly is your problem with brietbart?

They regularly publish data that are unverified, proven, demonstrated false by either reality or other real-news network, that is when they don't publish propaganda with a clear political agenda or conspiracy theories to make money from it as clickbait.

Thus it cannot be used as a reliable source of information, those who do tend to fit into three category :
(a) people with poor judgment who may survive the consequences
(b) people who want to impose their viewpoints to the gullible above
(c) people who derive fun out of their silly claim

The only reasons we even talk about this website is because of its link via Bannon to Trump, who himself have a shaky relationship with truth. Beyond that it is only a source of comedy, a tragic comedy.
http://www.cracked.com/article_24363_6-mind-boggling-ways-breitbart-fails-to-report-news.html

Granted, now developers only release full game and stopped selling any DLC that could be seen as "missing from the original game". Instead they came back to the old concept of "add-on & stand-alone expansion pack". Thanks to dematerialized support platform those can be marketed, sold easily & made cross-compatible with all other previous & future games of the franchise.
Riding on the wave of distrust against shitty commercial practice, all Editors & Developers followed the lead and now boast in every medias how their sales exploded by 400% with "Call of Duty" and its 15 stand-alone Campaign filling up all top 10 charts.
Meanwhile, independent developers who kept using the disgusting practices of selling HALF-GAME and the other half year later (using the undeserved profit) of the first half-game, have been drown out of business. Lobbies, defender of "Good practices" even pushed for laws forbidding to promote any game expansion that doesn't sell a full-game worth of content and to be wary of any "indy game" that sell "cheapass improvements".

The above paragraph was sponsored by <Insert Major Game Developer>

I wish for everybody to be more informed & knowledgeable about the products they buy and to strive to impose more ethical and fair practice from business companies.

Granted, you are now falling toward the center of the Earth surrounded by a perfect void generated around yourself, no air is present anymore, space-time is barely allowed to be here.

I wish I never misunderstood things I read.

Granted, a lot of people get sudden urge to use BRIGHT COLORED BRICK at any occasion possible, this mod is so frequently used that all screenshot online feature those shiny brick that DO NOT MIX AT ALL with the original Rimworld gritty colors scheme.
People start calling Rimworld "RimCraft" because of its similarity with Minecraft bright cube.
In fact people stopped playing the game in survival, only in a new creative mod to see colonist build shiny wall non stop.
After considerable use of recreative drugs (to ease the pain) Tynan thank you, he now realize how much money he can make just selling Color DLC with no gameplay improvement.
(seriously, I would add the equivalent of 6 more levels of darkened color to your mod and remove one line every two as redundant)

I wish many birds where as intelligent and easy to tame than dogs

Simplify the game until it's portable on a tablet, then sell access to critical item as DLC.

Wish granted, you now have a custom made PC of exceedingly fine craftsmanship. A lot more work, money and care went into designing this one than your current computer, it was fined tuned to be used at the maximum of its capability.
It's an old rig running Linux built to be amazing managing database, it's clearly better made than any puny market computer of today which make it sad that nobody is interested to buy one since only a professional computer engineer could use it.
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I wish the universe followed the Theory of Narrative Causality.

Granted, Kegereneku WOULD change his name to Kegerator.
...If dburgdorf and mabor0shi both jumped to their death into a giant meat grinder.
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I wish for both dburgdorf and mabor0shi to immediately rename themselves Kegerator.

[Premium corruption:]

Premium corruption: Granted, your body can function normally without sleeping, however this mean your body will normally not perform any of the memory processing that happen during sleeping (but never awake), this is thus with absolute normalcy that your short & long term memory will worsen until you are no longer capable of memorizing anything new or forming coherent thought, because that's normal with the limitation of a normally working body awake forever. Your body will require more nutriment as is normal since it need energy instead of sleeping. Also you no longer have a soul.
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I wish for mabor0shi to be tied up on the rail track in front of a running train that I am driving. Alas I'm not called Kegerator so this wish will probably be ignored.

[Cheapass corruption:]

Yeah, I was thinking that a good(by that I mean bad) corruption shouldn't be railroading the wisher actions until the situation become horrible (by adding stuff not asked for), it should make the situation horrible no matter what you'll do from there (and only with what was asked).

I'll try with your wish.

I wish I can function normally without need for sleep.

Cheapass corruption: Granted, you no longer need sleep, as a result you get lonely at night since everybody is sleeping and end-up killing yourself.

Normal corruption: Granted, your body can function normally without sleeping, however this mean your body will normally not perform any of the memory processing that happen during sleeping (but never awake), this is thus with absolute normalcy that your short & long term memory will worsen until you are no longer capable of memorizing anything new or forming coherent thought, because that's normal with the limitation of a normally working body awake forever. You will also eat more since your normal body need more energy when awake.

Premium corruption: **Please pay Premium fee (your soul) to see this corruption**

Wish granted, the world you live in now allow you to kill me and get away with it. You have as much chance of pulling it off than winning the grand lottery five time in a row, but more precisely it will only allow you to if you kill me while dancing with sausages during the next solar eclipse (August 21, 2017),  and with an oversized spiked dildo deep in your ass.
But if you do, you will totally get away with it! (It will make you possible to plead "not guilty by reason of insanity")
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I would love more people knew how to corrupt wish without coercing the wisher's into a deterministic universe.
And that I remembered to not make too smartass wish
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I wish for Trump to be impeached

[again]

Mumble, do I have to explain you again that patent aren't proof that something work ? They are simply a paper that guarantee you get rights&recognition over some use of the SPECIFIC design you claim to have invented.
To do so the office need to be able to distinguish specifically why and how the proposal vary from other "engine" so they don't accidentally give you credit for someone's else patent.

The first link you provided explain in length why the requirement was increased for claim of "free energy". It filter out the many idiots who believe to have a "free energy generator" just because they suffer from wishful thinking.

You aren't being misunderstood, your arguments are just poor and unconvincing for those who understand the topic (I have an electrical Engineering background myself).

Keg, you continue to rant about a "proof" it works : tell me ; what would be an acceptable manifestation of proof? A video? A blueprint you can use?
Or do you demand its mass produced first?

Anything that do pass a properly done experiment, or produce irrefutable result, or pass peer-reviewed testing among the scientific community.
It's not necessarily a prototype, a theoretical/mathematical model that explain it using our current physic-model or a new physics model that satisfy the Correspondence Principle while allowing "free energy". Would also be acceptable (and world breaking)

My turn: What would it take for you to buy an authentic Free-Energy-generator(c)? How do you test it before agreeing to mass producing it?
You aren't going to buy/sell one without checking right ? How would YOU check that it really does what it claim to do? (a result that can't be faked of course)

You said previously it was movement introducing energy : but this can be dis-proven with say, a web allowing the magnet to pull, but not allowing it to contact the metal, and releasing the web to allow it to pull further : where is the energy introduced there? And what about the energy scaling in and of itself? What if energy used to introduce an item into the magnetic field is less than the energy observed in the item moving?

Go there: https://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/museum/themes/whynot.htm
Ctrl+F search for : "But don't magnets have unlimited stored energy?"
Then for : "I've made a wheel with carefully positioned magnets"

its multiple people showing videos of working prototypes which nobody who denies ever bothers to test themselves.

What or who say those prototypes "worked"? The inventor who might be lying? The video that can be faked in numerous way?

Peer-reviewed scientific journal actually do test device like theses sometime (those with proper paperwork at least). Up to today every single "prototype" failed (predictably) despite testing it exactly like the inventor claimed, or their test were aborted because the inventor "method of testing" included elements that prevent a correct test (things like "don't mind the hidden not-a power-cable-I-swear leading to a 110V outlet", "don't test for more than a set time (because the hidden battery will run out)" or "test it outside during a sunny day") (edit)

If laboratory PAID to test all poorly-thought design or sham (that they already know won't work because they are more intelligent than the inventor), they would go bankrupt.

I've not been pushing that they are strictly perpetual energy machines. Maybe they aren't.
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My argument was you could MAKE an engine with magnets, to which you saying its never demonstrated free energy is nothing more than a non sequitur. It does not address the issue

the point was its an engine DRIVEN by magnets : I am willing to admit, magnets might be under 100% efficiency for driving a turbine

You did, maybe you don't realize that it amount to the same thing.

Your ideas sum up to making an engine produce torque energy using static permanent magnet (while not pouring any energy) with the hope that it produce more energy than it took to create them.
You didn't talked about using (permanent) magnet to store energy, you specifically described producing more spin torque (and so energy) than used to create the device.
So we've been telling you that it doesn't work and tried to explain you why (and why you can't trust any video on the internet).

First it was magnets could not project their fields in such a manner to continue  a spinning motion
Then it was magnets need outside energy to obey the laws of physics
Then it was it cannot exist because laws of physics go against it, despite what any test could ever say
Now its wrong because its not a VERIFIED free energy machine

Correcting your errors here :
- (Permanent) Magnet STILL cannot project their fields in such a manner as to produce a continuing spinning motion. It didn't changed.
- (Electromagnetic) magnet STILL need outside energy to produce a spinning motion. (and permanent magnet still need to be physically moved around (using energy) to make somehing spin)
- It STILL cannot exist (the way you claim to work) because laws of physics go against it, currently no test ever demonstrated otherwise
- It's ALWAYS wrong to call (something) a "free energy machine" unless it is VERIFIED in a proper irrefutable way to be one.

EXPERIMENT REPORT N°3:
Still no success at making popcorn appear from nothing but the sharing of written message on the Internet.

Today I have tested using a single pop-corn in a suitable container, to ensure success I have made sure to file a patent about how it should work (pop-corn + written message over the internet = more pop-corn). It was accepted so surely it should have worked right?

And yet it didn't work and the popped corn didn't multiply. (I'm somehow relieved it didn't, what if it generated faster than I could eat them and never stopped?)
According to the Scientific Method I can't claim it worked if the experiment didn't actually work, too bad I planned to make video of it that read "How to make self-generating pop-corn"

I needed to formulate a new theory, so I'm now assuming that pop-corn need to be in a critical amount before they self-generate.
Next time I'll procure a bucket of fresh pop-corn, and observe if the bucket mass increase.


Edit: correcting a misleading syntax

[had]

Granted, you had real friends, you don't anymore.
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I wish I could make extremely efficient factories in the game Factorio.

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You say the scientific method "proves" this cannot exist, but cannot cite an example of someone proving this, by actually using the method others have demonstrated worked, and testing it themselves.

You are trying to shift the burden again, YOU must prove that those "generator" work first. That's basic common sense.
If someone tried sell you a 110V eternal generator for 1000$ based solely on his claim and showing you a video that can be faked. Would you buy it before asking for proof up to the level of the claim?

Mathematical theorem demonstrate that creating energy from nothing would break logic itself. It prove that breaking the law of thermodynamic is impossible as long as as 1=1
So if you want to prove "free energy" is possible you first have to try demonstrating mathematically that 1=/=1

btw, I don't remember If I posted it already but here is a link for you, it even have answer to your "magnet" misunderstanding:
https://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/museum/themes/whynot.htm

And burden of proof you misunderstand : Video evidence, while not 100% hard proof, is evidence to help make a claim, and should be assumed true UNLESS theres good points to determine it fake.

No that's not how it work.
You can assume(key word) that they are, but it don't mean that they are true. It is perfectly possible that you are wrong about them being true.

Else if the world actually followed your statement you'd have to assume any claim like "Mumblemumble is insane and unaware that he is (because he is insane)" to be true unless there's irrefutable points to determine it's not the case.

Anyway, we ALREADY have proofs that those video are fake: they never demonstrated irrefutably that they produced "free energy", therefore by definition they only pretended/imitated the concept, and so are fake.


EXPERIMENT REPORT N°2:
Still no success at making popcorn appear from nothing but the sharing of written message on the Internet.
I had some faith into that since the arrival of evidence helping to make the claim that simply claiming stuff made them real unless good point of the contrary (no formal example of what those point would look like have been given).

The result from this attempt, consolidate the currently accepted theory that "self-generating popcorn" is impossible.
However a flaw in the experiment could explain this failure : To self-generate popcorn, the popcorn must already be present.

I shall modify the testing procedure by procuring some popcorn first for my next experiments, and observe if more popcorn generate from it