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Can someone explain how to sell things to visitors and recommend what to leave in rooms?

On my phone so if this information was provided I didn't see it.

Thanks

Just FYI I corrected the issue by using a mod that provides for a more even temperature inside a mountain. This is also more realistic as temperatures are stable inside mountains in real life.

Issue solved through mod.

I won't ask for a screenshot since you seem morally opposed to providing the minimum that would help people diagnose your problem.  So instead, I will ask you, do you have a savegame?

Stop being insulting.

Once again a screen shot will do absolutely nothing. 

If you can't comprehend it's not a funticional problem as I've explained numerous times before, you're not coming at it the right way and therefore you're of no help.

And unless you're willing to download all the mods I have, load them in the specific order I have them in, it's a moot point.

Plus I've started a new base since then and reuse my saves because they're labeled for specific events.

Once you realize that the setup works absolutely fine and cools as intended when a heat wave event isn't present, perhaps then you'll realize that a screen shot won't help the issue one bit.

But you didn't see a screen shot!  Lol.

I don't think you understand how hard it is to visualize your setup just based on your description. We have never seen your base, we have no idea what part is up, what is around it, if a vent is blocked somewhere etc.

If people are missing (in this case visual) information they fill in the blanks, then draw a conclusion. That's what humans do. Only a poor communicator blames miscommunication purely on his audience.

There's absolutely no visual part that helps your learn that the problem isn't functional. No matter how many times I explain that the setup works fine without the heat wave, and the coolers work as intended, you're going to insist on not comprehending the issue.

As far as I can gather, you have 240 tiles of room space and you're trying to cool it all with only two coolers and a bunch of vents. During a heat wave.

What you need is a dedicated cooler for each room, bare minimum. How you deal with the heat exhaust is up to you, but in my own mountain bases I typically have it go along corridors until it reaches the outside.

Note also that when you are using exhaust tunnels, they can get quite hot if there's not enough outdoor space connected to them. I quite often don't want raiders or mechanoids just sauntering up the tunnels to strike deep inside the base, so I wall off an unroofed area. If I wall off too little, heat will build up in much the same way as it would if you have a campfire inside a building with only one tile of 'chimney.'

The reason why the two coolers work under ordinary circumstances is that there's a smaller temperature gradient both for heat trying to get into your base and for your cooling system trying to expel it. When the outdoors temperature gets high enough, you have much more heat incoming and cooling fails to get down to the desired temperature.

The heat wave map condition itself only adds a temperature offset which, by default, maxes out at +20C. It doesn't do anything directly to the efficiency of cooling. Source: I looked at the decompiled map condition.

It doesn't explain why it couldn't cool at night during a heat wave when the temperature was fairly normal (80s).

@nuschler22 I sympathize with you. Most responders here either did not read, or did not understand your post.

Your frustration is justified.

But you didn't see a screen shot!  Lol.

Thanks.

From my experience from real-life, ACs become less efficient at extreme outside temperatures. This is because for an AC to operate, it has to be cooled efficiently (fan blowing over radiator). If the heat-wave temperature isn't cold enough to cool down the radiator, the AC reaches a plateau and can't decrease the temperature further. Therefore my opinion is that the game's mechanics are pretty spot-on.

That's not how it works.  First, ACs don't have radiators.

And, as I've said, actually living in the desert where I have been in 120 plus degree heat, it's not realistic that an area that can be cooled by X number of coolers suddenly needs Y number of coolers to cool the same area.

They cooler performs the same function, it just goes on for a longer duration.

I can confirm the mountain temp slider not working as expected - I have several mods active, but none of them throwing errors. CCL is up to date and loaded right after Core.

Same here.  My DnD started working shortly after but slider still out of whack. 

Also, is the temperature supposed to stay consistent or fluctuate?  How do you prevent it from fluctuating? 

Thanks for the help and great mods by the way.

I'm wondering if I'm having a mod conflict (I have probably 50 mods, so no idea what it is).

First, the do not disturb isn't working.

Second, the mountain temperature is not working.  I have it set to fixed at 70 degrees.  For some reason, it's giving me 27 degrees inside the mountain while it's 57 degrees outside the mountain.

Edit:  At 170 degrees, it's fairly consistent at 70-75 degrees.  I guess it's just off.

I don't have problems with heaters on ice sheet and I don't have problems with a/c on desert. It just needs more during a cold snap or heatwave.

And I absolutely did not like what you said in the OP about people being "know it alls" for asking for screenshots.

In fact, I'd like to see some screenshots of your setup, specially because you mentioned using vents.

If you CBA to post screenshots, why should anyone else BA to try and help you?

I couldn't care less what you like.  Feel free not to help.

Especially considering you didn't bother reading the entire post.  Or you didn't comprehend it.

I clearly said that the cooling works fine when it's hot, and it doesn't work when there is a "heat wave" incident.  That means everything is working properly normally.

Once again, feel free to read the entirety of a post.  I'm not looking for help regarding my setup.  It's completely fine.  The issue is when the "heat wave" event occurs.

Coolers are effected by the temperature difference between the side they are trying to cool, and the side that is heating up.  Thus, if you have a cooler wear the hot side vents into a closed area, the hot side will get very hot, and the cool side will not cool very much.  This is why venting the hot side is important.  If, the heat wave is making the hot side very hot, even with good venting, the coolers will be much less efficient.  It will be like venting into the closed room.

Once again, please actually read the post if you're going to comment.  It's not a functional question.  I know the coolers are working properly. 

I clearly said that the coolers work normally when it's hot but with no heat wave.

Yeah I think it might be your rock walls. I have a freezer that's surrounded by steel walls and two coolers were able to keep a fairly large room at around 20-30 degrees during a 110 degree heat wave.

I'll give it a try.  Thanks.

Quote from: Tynan on August 06, 2016, 05:18:23 PM
I did find there was actually a bug in cave temperatures in Alpha 14. It made the cave temperatures be the same as the outside.


Ah....so, should I put walls on the outside of the mountain?  Or does that cause the bug?

Also, I have no issues unless there is a heat wave which is very strange.

Do you have walls against your mountain walls or is it just bare rock? "Caves" will become the same temperature as the surrounding mountain/outside.

I did find there was actually a bug in cave temperatures in Alpha 14. It made the cave temperatures be the same as the outside.

For the most part, it's bare rock. 

And I thought mountains were suppose to be cooler inside. 

Regardless, as I wrote, it can be hot outside (90-100) and not be in a heatwave, and one cooler will keep it at 70-71 without a problem.

Once a "heat wave" hits, even at night when it's in the 80s and 90s, the mountain stays the same temperature.

The hotter it is outside, the harder the cooler has to work to get rid of the excess heat from the room.

Did you even read what I wrote?  Doesn't sound like it.