Temperature + new colonists

Started by razgon, March 16, 2015, 07:25:22 AM

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razgon

Hi there,
totally new Rimworld'er here - eh...that sounds wrong.

Anyways - I'm enjoying the game immensely, but have a few questions I hope you guys can help with

1) How on earth (Or wherever ;-) ) do I get new colonists? I had ONE join me in a game, but other than that, all the slavetraders that pass by has costs around 2000 silver, which I don't have in any way.

2) Room temperature -  I just installed my very first cooler in a room, and set it to 6 degrees. Now, the room is HOTTER than both outside and other rooms for some reason - why is that?

Silvador

1) aside from random colonists joining you and buying them from slave traders, the only way (to the best of my knowledge) to get new colonists is to "recruit" people you capture, be them injured attackers or random passerbies that you have.... "detained" for whatever reason you deem worthy.

2) can you post a picture of the cooler and it's setting? Temperature was recently overhauled and is not a bit on the tricky side to get working as intended.

Monkfish

"installed my first cooler in a room"

Sounds to me like you've put the cooler inside the actual room itself rather than in the wall where it should go. Coolers have a hot and cold side (as indicated by the red and blue squares. They cool to their cold side but produce a by-product of heat on their hot side. This heat needs to be vented to atmosphere somehow and will cause all manner of issues with temperature control if it's pumping heat into another room (or into the same room it's trying to cool). Once installed, hovering the mouse cursor over one of the red/blue squares will you you the room it is affecting. If the square is only 1 tile in size, it's venting to atmo (or into a room 1 tile in size).

Protips for easy heat management without wasting (that much) power;

- Put a cooler in the wall of a room and leave it at 21 degrees.
- Put a heater in the same room and set it to 18 degrees.
- ????
- Enjoy profitable comfortable colonists
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Endoric

#3
Yes coolers can make surprisingly good heaters lol, if flipped around....

And just like in real life if you want someone to join your team, shoot them a bunch of times, tie their feet together, remove bullets, stich holes shut and talk to them a lot.  They usually come around.

High social is good and set him to warden.


Specifically, have closed off room with door

Add bed or sleeping spot

Set bed to be for prisioners.

Be sure to have a few medical and a few regular.

When an enemy is down but not dead select a pawn to capture it.

(Pawn seems to be what everyone calls your colonists)

razgon

Quote from: Monkfish on March 16, 2015, 07:59:42 AM
"installed my first cooler in a room"

Sounds to me like you've put the cooler inside the actual room itself rather than in the wall where it should go. Coolers have a hot and cold side (as indicated by the red and blue squares. They cool to their cold side but produce a by-product of heat on their hot side. This heat needs to be vented to atmosphere somehow and will cause all manner of issues with temperature control if it's pumping heat into another room (or into the same room it's trying to cool). Once installed, hovering the mouse cursor over one of the red/blue squares will you you the room it is affecting. If the square is only 1 tile in size, it's venting to atmo (or into a room 1 tile in size).

Protips for easy heat management without wasting (that much) power;

- Put a cooler in the wall of a room and leave it at 21 degrees.
- Put a heater in the same room and set it to 18 degrees.
- ????
- Enjoy profitable comfortable colonists

oh dear....I DID wonder why it had a blue and a red side, and the text did mention to put it inside the wall, but I thought to myself "how silly" - I can't put it inside the wall, since there is a wall!

So, I have to remove the wall, set the cooler so that the blue side is inside the room, and the red side is outside. Makes perfect sense - thanks!
Why do you mention two heaters though?

And thanks all for the quick replies - I'll see if I can snare some unwitting visitors to stay a while....or forever ;-)

b0rsuk

In 5500 they're still using silly air conditioning, despite ceiling fans being more efficient.
Revenge of the Circulating Fan
http://www.lowtechmagazine.com/2014/09/circulating-fans-air-conditioning.html

Monkfish

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Quote from: razgon on March 16, 2015, 09:19:42 AM
So, I have to remove the wall, set the cooler so that the blue side is inside the room, and the red side is outside. Makes perfect sense - thanks!
You don't have to remove the wall first; a cooler can be placed into a wall that's already built and your colonists will sort it all out (exactly like doors). Coolers also can't go into rock.

Quote from: razgon on March 16, 2015, 09:19:42 AMWhy do you mention two heaters though?
I... didn't. I mentioned a cooler and a heater.

The cooler will lower a room to a given temperature, which includes below zero if you want to create freezers to keep food fresh, but it cannot heat a room.
A heater will raise a room to a given temperature but will not cool.

Use the pair in combination to effectively manage heat. By setting the heater to 18 degrees and the cooler to 21 degrees, you create a 3 degree buffer zone where neither heater nor cooler are on (and by "on" I mean "drawing a high current". Whilst idle, each heater/cooler uses 10W/20W respectively). If the temperature dips below 18 degrees the heater will switch on to raise it, and if the temperature rises above 21 degrees then the cooler will switch on to lower it again.

Some points to note;

- Setting heater and cooler to the same temperature will cause them to fight each other and both will run at max power most, if not all, of the time. Cooler should always be set to a higher temperature than the heater.
- Larger rooms will require more heaters/coolers to effectively maintain temperatures
- Heat waves and cold snaps can really play havoc with your temperatures. A room successfully cooled by a single cooler may require doubling/tripling up (depending on size) during a heat wave.
- Heat travels from hot places to cold places and will seep through walls and open doors. A fridge separated from a hot room with only a single wall and a door will have heat seep in through the walls, requiring more power/coolers to maintain temperature, and its temperature will fluctuate when the door opens (the severity of the fluctuation depends on the temperature difference and how long the door is open for). Fridges, ideally, should be separated from warm areas by a corridor that acts as a buffer zone between the hot/cold rooms. If you're feeling really flash, you can manage the temperature of the corridor too.
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Boboid

Quote from: b0rsuk on March 16, 2015, 09:57:47 AM
In 5500 they're still using silly air conditioning, despite ceiling fans being more efficient.
Revenge of the Circulating Fan
http://www.lowtechmagazine.com/2014/09/circulating-fans-air-conditioning.html

I feel like as someone who lives in Australia and has to sit through 40+C heat waves I ought to defend AC a bit :P

In any case - In Rimworld power is never a problem so the efficiency of AC is irrelevant, it's entirely about the efficacy.
A prison yard is certainly a slightly more elegant solution to Cabin Fever than mine...

I just chop their legs off... legless prisoners don't suffer cabin fever

chaotix14

Quote from: Boboid on March 16, 2015, 07:43:42 PM
Quote from: b0rsuk on March 16, 2015, 09:57:47 AM
In 5500 they're still using silly air conditioning, despite ceiling fans being more efficient.
Revenge of the Circulating Fan
http://www.lowtechmagazine.com/2014/09/circulating-fans-air-conditioning.html

I feel like as someone who lives in Australia and has to sit through 40+C heat waves I ought to defend AC a bit :P

In any case - In Rimworld power is never a problem so the efficiency of AC is irrelevant, it's entirely about the efficacy.

You don't have to. The article mentioned the fact that fans have exactly 0 effect when the air temperature hits above 37 C. It also mentions that the best option probably is AC and fan(and just set the AC to cool a little less).