High expectations

[passi965]

Hey Guys,

i got a little question about the expectations
What does High expectations mean? Is that something like they expect that they dont have to work anymore or what?
i give my colonists fine meals and everyone has a 7x7 room and my colony wealth is about 251955, it might be that high because i use some mods.

Modlist: http://puu.sh/gnpeZ/cf72be0c28.png

Sorry for my bad english, english isn't my native language

Best regards Passi965

[Boboid]

High Expectations is a mood debuff that kicks in above a certain colony wealth.

Eventually when your wealth becomes high enough it'll turn into Very High expectations which is -8.

It's identical to every other mood modifier and you don't need to do anything in particular to remove it, you just have to compensate for it.

[passi965]

Thanks for the reply

so does that mean i cant do anything besides from tearing down some buildings so the wealth lowers to ''remove'' the debuff?

[Boboid]

Yeah lowering wealth will remove it but wealth includes everything in your stockpiles as well so structures alone won't do it.

I personally try and combat it with beauty increases since Pleasant Environment is +5 and Very Pleasant is +10

[Darth Fool]

Another unfortunate reason to keep silver and other goods out of your stockpiles...

[Endoric]

I agree on the stockpile issue.  Everything on the floor should be calculated as part of the colony wealth unless some npc decides to pick it up and leave with it.

The stockpile can just be a method to make colonists organize things.

[Tynan]

I agree on the stockpile issue.  Everything on the floor should be calculated as part of the colony wealth unless some npc decides to pick it up and leave with it.

The stockpile can just be a method to make colonists organize things.

This is already the case; wealth calculates using every item on the map. You can't exploit it by deleting stockpiles all the time.

Re the expectations buffs/debuffs, these will be changed in Alpha 10 to only use buffs for low expectations. Just because I know what it's like to OCD out and hate having permanent debuffs that can't be removed

[CodyRex123]

Recently i began mining using a certain OP mod, now i have infinite gold and silver for my colonist to make art, And their art skill tends to be level 10 and up, now am starting to make weapons out of the stuff... Now i have very high expectations and my colony can die if they see just a few corpses.... DX lol.

[Boboid]

Re the expectations buffs/debuffs, these will be changed in Alpha 10 to only use buffs for low expectations. Just because I know what it's like to OCD out and hate having permanent debuffs that can't be removed

It wouldn't be so bad if it was easier to compensate for the debuff, right now the only comparable buff to counteract it is Pleasant Environment, but it's a real ball-ache to apply it to troublesome colonists.. or all your colonists.. or any colonists for that matter! Need a lot of bloody art

I wouldn't mind if it was a case of " Oh my wealth has reached X point, it's time to spend some time doing X thing so my now-snooty-colonists don't constantly break down because they can't get a chai latte"

[Darkhymn]

I wouldn't mind if it was a case of " Oh my wealth has reached X point, it's time to spend some time doing X thing so my now-snooty-colonists don't constantly break down because they can't get a chai latte"

I lol'ed. I feel pretty much this way. I wish there were more ways to compensate for the debuffs, rather then fewer debuffs. Because I tend to play my game as a long-term survival colony sim rather than shooting for the defined "end", it feels to me as if there should be long term opportunity for additional mood improvements as the colony gets more secure and populous. Perhaps small (maybe like +3 or +5 over a half-day or so, non-stacking) "satisfied" moodlets for indulging in a passion for a certain amount of time, particularly art or cooking. Some form of entertainment (beer is a good start) - maybe books or athletics - for "idle" colonists to partake in for a small "entertained" bonus to mood for a few hours, based on their interests and passions. Things that would combat things like high expectaions (which could also be toned down a little) while adding depth to the characters as well as establishing a feeling of development to a colony that has been in place for four or five years - rather then simply "moar bedrooms! Biggar farms!"

[Zetafuntime]

I reckon high expectations debuff should still be in the game, but it should be tied to certain backstories, i.e: Nobles, cause theyre nobles, and miners/slaves would have lower expectations cause that's what their backstory indicates

[Panzer]

Haha ^^ nobles already get all the hate for having so few possible jobs, I dont think adding a permanent -8 will make them more liked.

[lusername]

Heh, I don't actually mind having a noble. You don't want a pile of them, but they've still got a few jobs they can do, ones they're generally decent at doing, and someone has to do that job: Research, Wardening, Art...

Hunting, they can do, but they're bad at, since they tend to spontaneously drop their kills in the field and then be unable to bring them back to base. Unless you're hunting by shooting everything in sight and then having the entire colony drag them back to base.

[Darkhymn]

... Unless you're hunting by shooting everything in sight and then having the entire colony drag them back to base.

That got me laughing. It's probably not as funny as it seems to me, but still.
I also don't mind having a noble around. They do all of the jobs that I generally neglect because everything else is more important quite well.

[lusername]

That got me laughing. It's probably not as funny as it seems to me, but still.

It gets funnier when you're hunting muffalo with hand grenades. Dude took out the entire herd before finally killing the target.

I also don't mind having a noble around. They do all of the jobs that I generally neglect because everything else is more important quite well.

Yes, it's a mild nuisance when they're standing around lollygagging on landing, unable to do anything useful, but quickly fades when you start having things they can do. Someone has to be chained to the research table, and given that research is so short and underwhelming in this game, it doesn't have to be someone who's GOOD at it. Better that Noble with no flames and skill of 3 than your guy with a 12 who can still do something else. Theory of Comparative Advantage comes to mind here.