Rimworld issues and thoughts.

[RickyMartini]

It was because OP was comparing, not suggesting. So the first responses were explanations as to why it's not comparable.

[thefinn]

As already stated, Tynan himself has compared it to DF in the past.

Just there was no need to be so defensive about it.

Check the forum you'll find dozens of posts by people suggesting ideas for the next alpha version almost daily.

People with poor ideas are usually the ones that cannot handle critical observations.

I wonder if George Bush Jr. started in an environment where everyone around him was a fanboy and kissed his ass every time he did something mediocre so he said to himself "Hey, I think I can be president".

Just a thought.

[Tynan]

The game just doesn't have the development time on it that DF does. So there will be less content and less variation (for now) not for any fundamental reason, but just because of time and dev scope.

I guess we have to put "we understand this is alpha, but..." at the start of every post ? This was an "issues and thoughts" thread, not a "rimworld sux" thread.

I know DF has been around for many many years and I understand their lack of graphics.

However, given the way the graphics in Rimworld work - like the different heads can go on all the different bodies etc.. - then surely  some kind of dynamic "alien making" system is at least possible ?

Of course, tons of things are possible. I'd love to do them all - I have a huge list of things I want to do! And many of those are taken from your guys' lists of what you want added to the game.

I think the response you're getting is because you framed your original post as a discussion of the "issues" of the game and making "critical observations" by comparing a 2-year-devtime game to a 14-year-devtime game. Your observations and suggestions are good, but it's just not very useful or fair to frame them through this comparison. Saying "the issue with this game is that it doesn't have a wide variety of endings, a bunch more apparel/challenge content, and a randomly-generated forgotten beast system" isn't the best framing, because these aren't 'issues' so much as 'things that aren't done yet'. Like saying 'the issue with this house is that it rains in the bedroom' when the house is only half constructed.

I think that's all people are objecting to.

Might be better to focus on specific suggestions of what you'd like to see added and changed. In fact, this is basically a weirdly-frame suggestions thread so I'll move it there.

[thefinn]

I think the response you're getting is because you framed your original post as a discussion of the "issues" of the game and making "critical observations" by comparing a 2-year-devtime game to a 14-year-devtime game. Your observations and suggestions are good, but it's just not very useful or fair to frame them through this comparison. Saying "the issue with this game is that it doesn't have a wide variety of endings, a bunch more apparel/challenge content, and a randomly-generated forgotten beast system" isn't the best framing, because these aren't 'issues' so much as 'things that aren't done yet'. Like saying 'the issue with this house is that it rains in the bedroom' when the house is only half constructed.

I think that's all people are objecting to.

Might be better to focus on specific suggestions of what you'd like to see added and changed. In fact, this is basically a weirdly-frame suggestions thread so I'll move it there.

Well I've read things in the past where you yourself brought up DF.

Let's face it the game is fairly similar to DF, and the observation and it was an observation was left open for you to quite easily say "Yeah we're going to do that." instead you framed it as if I were saying "This isn't nearly as good as DF because ..."
which also wasn't true.

Now we know it's on the list - great.

[amul]

One issue I ran into recently, was the ending.

....the one thing missing seems to be varied endings.

The game almost always ends up with....

That's pretty much every ending ever in rimworld right there.

...one of the things I really did like about that game....it was always original.

The maps does tend also to fill up with things dropping in from space randomly....

I'm going to disagree with Tynan on this point. While we all agree with the content of your post (that more content would be enjoyable), your phrasing doesn't come across as either "offering feedback" or "constructive criticism." I read it as aggressive, petulant and whining, and that's why I responded the way I did.

Now, I'm not interested in being some part of Tone Police Squad, but we've now gone several times around the "I find that comment aggressive"/ "I was just saying! Jeez, can't you handle some criticism?" / "I find that comment aggressive" loop, so I think pushing past that initial dialog exchange to new ground might be more interesting than going around once more.

Above, I've quoted the specific language that the OP used which I replied to defensively. I submit to you that any conversational gambit which starts with these phrases will provoke a defensive response.

Your mileage may, of course, vary.

[userfredle]

I think the response you're getting is because you framed your original post as a discussion of the "issues" of the game and making "critical observations" by comparing a 2-year-devtime game to a 14-year-devtime game. Your observations and suggestions are good, but it's just not very useful or fair to frame them through this comparison. Saying "the issue with this game is that it doesn't have a wide variety of endings, a bunch more apparel/challenge content, and a randomly-generated forgotten beast system" isn't the best framing, because these aren't 'issues' so much as 'things that aren't done yet'. Like saying 'the issue with this house is that it rains in the bedroom' when the house is only half constructed.

I think that's all people are objecting to.

Might be better to focus on specific suggestions of what you'd like to see added and changed. In fact, this is basically a weirdly-frame suggestions thread so I'll move it there.

Well I've read things in the past where you yourself brought up DF.

Let's face it the game is fairly similar to DF, and the observation and it was an observation was left open for you to quite easily say "Yeah we're going to do that." instead you framed it as if I were saying "This isn't nearly as good as DF because ..."
which also wasn't true.

Now we know it's on the list - great.

Lol cant believe tynan even responded to this guy, tynan deserves a medal for how much he interacts with the community no matter who it is

[thefinn]

I'm going to disagree with Tynan on this point. While we all agree with the content of your post (that more content would be enjoyable), your phrasing doesn't come across as either "offering feedback" or "constructive criticism." I read it as aggressive, petulant and whining, and that's why I responded the way I did.

1. It is no surprise that fanboys agree with Tynan.
2. It wasn't even criticism. It was an observation. Had it been criticism, he has shown he can't even deal with that. However, it wasn't even criticism - just more of a critical observation.
3. Everything Tynan does on this game isn't golden. There are a plethora of mods to attest to this, fixing everything from UI to Research Tree - even when he thinks it is. Trying to constantly tell me that everything the guy does is golden is not far from my original point regarding George Bush. "He has his reasons".
4. The very reason to compare this to DF is the gameplay is the same. The game story, graphics and mechanics might change, but the game is essentially the same thing. And the large part of DF is the "fun" - so without that, I find the game pretty damn lacking yeah. No matter how many beers are put into it.
5. Now we're in the suggestions forum, this wasn't even a suggestion - but an observation - my suggestion came later as an example of how to deal with this issue as his post was so defensive that I figured I would offer an olive branch - what a waste of time that was.
6. I ran into an issue, I figured I'd post about it, I posted about it - tears commenced. Learned from mistake, won't post about issues again - the modders in fact seem to be far more open to this - isn't that odd ?

7. I sincerely apologise for not kissing your ass enough or bowing enough times on my way to your throne.
Good luck with the game George, err I mean Tynan, so hard to tell the difference.

[userfredle]

I'm going to disagree with Tynan on this point. While we all agree with the content of your post (that more content would be enjoyable), your phrasing doesn't come across as either "offering feedback" or "constructive criticism." I read it as aggressive, petulant and whining, and that's why I responded the way I did.

1. It is no surprise that fanboys agree with Tynan.
2. It wasn't even criticism. It was an observation. Had it been criticism, he has shown he can't even deal with that. However, it wasn't even criticism - just more of a critical observation.
3. Everything Tynan does on this game isn't golden. There are a plethora of mods to attest to this, fixing everything from UI to Research Tree - even when he thinks it is. Trying to constantly tell me that everything the guy does is golden is not far from my original point regarding George Bush. "He has his reasons".
4. The very reason to compare this to DF is the gameplay is the same. The game story, graphics and mechanics might change, but the game is essentially the same thing. And the large part of DF is the "fun" - so without that, I find the game pretty damn lacking yeah. No matter how many beers are put into it.
5. Now we're in the suggestions forum, this wasn't even a suggestion - but an observation - my suggestion came later as an example of how to deal with this issue as his post was so defensive that I figured I would offer an olive branch - what a waste of time that was.
6. I ran into an issue, I figured I'd post about it, I posted about it - tears commenced. Learned from mistake, won't post about issues again - the modders in fact seem to be far more open to this - isn't that odd ?

7. I sincerely apologise for not kissing your ass enough or bowing enough times on my way to your throne.
Good luck with the game George, err I mean Tynan, so hard to tell the difference.

Mad much? anyway this is now obviously a troll thread

[Tynan]

Yeah, it definitely is.

Really - read what I posted here. Nothing I or anyone else has said has come close to justifying a comment like, "I sincerely apologise for not kissing your ass enough or bowing enough times on my way to your throne."

In any case, thread is going nowhere useful so I'll just lock it.