[0.11.857] Some furniture provides zero cover

Started by Jimyoda, July 05, 2015, 05:57:58 PM

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Jimyoda

An armchair, a dining chair, and even a stool each realistically have at least a small chance to block a bullet. Cover should be better than zero. Even a measly plant pot provides 20%.



























Furniture    Cover
Armchair    0
Bed    40
Dining chair    0
Equipment rack    40
Hospital bed    40
Plant pot    20
Royal bed    40
Sleeping spot    0
Stool    0
Standing lamp    0
Table (short)    40
Table (long)    40
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Jimyoda, i love that you brought this up and I can't resist putting in my thoughts. I hope you don't mind.


My thoughts here:
I don't know how exactly the cover system works but I think these numbers need revisiting.
Using 40 as a maximum and 0 as a minimum below:


- Armchair: yes I agree that an armchair should provide appreciable cover. It is a big vertical barrier. Maybe 30

- Bed: How much vertical surface does a bed really provide? If it is just a mattress on a four legs slat base design, there's a fair big of space underneath to see a target and shoot it. Maybe 30 here too.

- Dining chair: the way these are shown graphically, they would offer precious little cover. They're a horizonal surface (the seat), sitting on 4 small vertical legs, with some interlocked bars as a backrest. Very little vertical area to block sight and incoming fire. So, maybe 5 cover.

- Equipment Rack: this one I see as offering maximum cover out of the list given by Jimyoda. In the game they appear to be a big solid looking set of shelves, with no opening. It would be like taking cover behind a big thick bookcase. Full sight cover and full bullet cover. Only question is bullet stopping power. That's why I agree with this one being 40.

- Hospital bed: this would be the same as a normal bed, with so medicinal equipment stored underneath, giving a little more cover. So if we're generous it could be 40 too, but i feel 35 is a better option.

- Plant pot: this could go either way - it depends on how big you imagine the plant pot actually is. It could be tiny - 20 would be too muc. Or it could be huge (after all, it is built on location, not hauled) so it might be as 2 or 3 feet wide. In the larger case, 20 is a bit low. So, I think 20 is actually a fair middle ground.

- Royal bed: this big luxurious bed should provide more cover than the standard and hospital beds, so it seems right to give it 40.

- sleeping spot: it's just a spot of ground, like a reserved parking space. No cover here.

- stool: just like the dining chair, the stool doesn't have much vertical area at all to hide behind, so very low cover makes sense, but maybe not no cover. So maybe 5.

- Standing lamp: a matter of vertical area again. It depends on how wide the lamp's trunk is. It could be a small spindly pole, or a thick one. My guess is spindly, so little or no cover makes sense.

- Short table: Tables are just like stools but much bigger. Not much cross-sectional area to hide behind (very easy to get shot under it), unless we employ a narrative twist like imagining the colonist flips it onto one side. Flipped: 40. Not flipped: generous 10 maybe.

- Long table: same as short table above.


If anyone has anything to add, or would like to disagree with my reasoning, I'd love to hear it.

Tynan - what do you think? What reasoning process do you use to decide how much cover something provides? :)










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Tynan

It's a simple oversight on my part, and I haven't done a wide comparative review on these yet. So I will.

What process do I use? I try to remember to fill in the xml tag with something when I make a new thing. Sometimes I forget :p
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Tynan

All right, thanks, this has been addressed. There's a new tables output for fillPercents to make comparisons easier.
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