Not just from infections, I have definitely witnessed a turtle straight up kick a bear's *ss. To be fair, there is a good reason turtles have evolved tough shells and strong beaks, and maybe that bear should have considered a softer target, but I think it's just a general symptom of how super risky melee combat can be right now. maybe the Turtle bites out a bear eye in the first attack, and then wrecks it's paws next -- suddenly that bear is in for a super tough fight.