Issue with coolers not cooling during a heat wave

[Lady Wolf]

Just FYI I corrected the issue by using a mod that provides for a more even temperature inside a mountain. This is also more realistic as temperatures are stable inside mountains in real life.

Issue solved through mod.

Which mod did you use specifically?

[ThiIsMe007]

Just replying to be helpful, since I know this mod that regulates mountain temperature :

https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=16098.0

[nuschler22]

Once again, regarding screen shots, if you expect a screen shot or a save game even after it was explained that it's not functional, that's your issue. Not mine.

Same games as well considering the amount of mods everyone uses. 

Feel free not to argue and skip topics where people don't provide them instead of incessantly and immaturity demanding they be provided.

I have no need to prove that my setup is working fine.  And cools normally when a heat wave isn't in effect. If youre not comfortable that I'm telling the truth, then that's your issue. Not mine. Don't like it?  You can easily not provide help and go help others that fit your requirement for help.

If you don't accept that, you have the ability to move on. 

Be mature and stop constantly insisting you get your way.  I'm not demanding your help. And, quite frankly, if you truly believe a screen shot or save would have helped in this situation than you're misunderstanding the issue or refusing to fully compressed it.

[brcruchairman]

nuschler22, I feel like there's a fundamental disconnect somewhere. At least for me personally, I feel that I've grasped your meaning. To verify this, I'll repeat what I heard, and you can tell me where I'm wrong.

The problem you presented is this: There are two situations. In both situations, the base setup is identical. In situation A) You have an outside temp of, for example, 110 *F. In Situation A, your coolers keep your fridge well below freezing. In Situation B) You have an outside temp of, for example, 110 *F during a heat wave. In Situation B, your coolers fail to keep the fridge cool, and its interior temperature is well above freezing. In all other respects the situations are identical. Is this correct?

I'm also hearing that you solved it with a mod. Would you be willing to verify ThisIsMe007's presented mod for others experiencing a similar issue?

I'm going to go ahead and proceed under the (possibly totally false) assumption that I understood you correctly. I'm also going to explain why I feel that asking for screenshots is totally okay. At least personally speaking, I'm interested in this not to try to help, as you've already solved the issue, but as a matter of curiosity. I'd like to know what happened for my own gratification. It's completely true that you're under no obligation whatsoever to provide materials; you owe me nothing. However, it would be my hope that you'd oblige me and others as a matter of courtesy and friendly camaraderie. Again, it's not something that you're obligated to do, just something we're asking for.

I'd also like to point out that there are many in this thread who have NOT demanded screenshots. Asked for, yes. We're allowed to ask; that's part of being a civilized society. You're correct in that you're not obligated to provide, also as per civilized society, but it sounds like you take the requests as a personal affront, which, at least for me, is not how they're intended. Just as you aren't obligated to provide requested information, please also consider that we're just as justified in our request for more information as you are in declining to provide it. I personally feel somewhat attacked but the implications of immaturity and pushiness, particularly when I've endeavored to be as reasonable and understanding as I can. I'm also completely aware that my feelings of this may be completely baseless. Nonetheless, communication is two parts, the message sent and the message received; I feel that, even with me overreacting, you may find the information of how your posts are being received useful in your future writings.

I'd also like to address what I feel is a misunderstanding here regarding the purpose of screenshots. You said in your post, "I have no need to prove that my setup is working fine." You are totally correct, but that's not what the screenshots are for; they're for curious (and possibly annoying) little monkeys like myself to try to replicate your problem, by replicating everything we can, including your setup, and then experimenting to see if we can find which combination of factors are causing it. For instance, you've stated that you're running many mods, but perhaps the problem can be replicated without mods. If that's the case, it's something the devs need to know about. If not, then it's still interesting, and something modders may wish to know.

Finally, I have one last thing I'd like to leave you with. You originally posted about this issue. I'm curious what your purpose was in doing so; were you seeking help? If so, why not try to help people help you, for instance by giving them the data they need to try to replicate your issue and then experiment with it? If you were trying to make the community aware that there was an issue for their own information, why not provide complete information, instead of only one of several critical pieces?

Most likely, you posted for reasons totally unknown to me; after all, you're a complicated individual with all the motives, thoughts, and preferences thereof, and if I assumed to be able to know you from a dozen posts on the internet, I'd be a moron. So I won't assume; instead I'll reiterate that, at least I personally, am coming at this from a spirit of fellowship, curiosity, and compassion. If what I'm asking is truly that unreasonable, then I'd beg you to explain to me why it is; my own experience of posting screenshots and save games has been that it takes scant minutes, but again, you may have a very different experience than I do. Furthermore, I may be missing something fundamental about why you don't want to post screenshots; please tell me, nuschler22, what am I missing?

I humbly hope for a response, good sir/madam. This situation is something I don't fully understand, and so your assistance, should you chose to render it, would be much appreciated.

[zandadoum]

I have no need to prove that my setup is working fine.  And cools normally when a heat wave isn't in effect. If youre not comfortable that I'm telling the truth, then that's your issue. Not mine. Don't like it?  You can easily not provide help and go help others that fit your requirement for help.

1) you're the one that came here asking for help. Bug report forum is that way ->
2) if you ask for help, you need to provide whatever the helpful people ask for
3) you are NOT God. You don't know anything. You coming here for help is the very proof of this
4) what you THINK is working properly means nothing. You might be wrong. You probably are.
5) reasons for people asking for screenshots: you not explaining very well, language barriers due lot of nationalities, etc etc etc.
6) if you're not willing to give, what others need to help you better, then just GTFO and don't make post at all

7) I have tried to understand your post as well as possible (ex: normal clima 40°c all works, heatwave 40°c coolers don't work) and in a vanilla game I haven't been able to reproduce the problem.
So either you provide better info like screenshots or you GTFO to the bug forum. Ang guess what Tynan will ask you for: savefile or screenshots. If you're not willing to provide those and there is a real bug, it will NEVER be fixed.

[RemingtonRyder]

Please keep it civil, guys, and save your energies for attacking the problem, not the messenger.

Zandadoum is correct, however, that if this is a bug, we need to reproduce it.

Take a screenshot for your own reference, backup your modsconfig.xml and make a new game. Ideally, try the unstable A15 branch on Steam if you can. Use Advanced setup to start at the hottest time of year instead of the default.

Use God mode and the debug tools to carve out and equip a similar if not identical layout.

Save and then start the heat wave event using the debug tools. Observe the performance of the cooling system.

If this reproduces the problem then you have a vanilla save that Tynan and/or one of the testers can load up to confirm the problem and investigate it further.

[submarine]

nuschler22 doesnt post anymore he said in a other topic.

This will be my last post on this forum. And my glowing review in Steam will turn to a negative.

[SpaceDorf]

*well hello* said the table to the forehead *nice to meat you again .. and again .. and again .. *

you know what, I feel sorry for that dude, but I'll do it.

[submarine]

Image him playing the game and then sees 2 pawns with the gay trait doing some lovin....Maybe it's me but that's hilarious.

Well played Tynan!

[SpaceDorf]

I restarted my world ( had the seed and coordinates ) in vanilla and built the setup in the screenshot.

1.) one five by five freezer outside ( should have been the same size, but did not matter much )
2.) one six by six freezer outside and under mountain
3.) one six by six freezer under thin and thick mountain
4.) one six by six freezer under mostly thick mountain with constructed walls.

end of spring, a day with 38°C outside i hit the heatwave. Temperatures went up to 52°C-55°C
and the freezers warmed up.  2 the fastest with 12° - 14° after two days, 1 a bit slower to 12°( well size matters )
underground took a lot longer to warm up to 5° and there was no difference between 3 and 4

The temperatures changed all the time when the outside temperature changed, so no direct temperature equalization here, like it occured in the other descriptions.

I changed the temperature settings of 1 and 2 two -25°C but both were working at full capacity allready so the temperature in the room was not affected.  A plausible reason for the two mountain rooms staying cooler is, that the adjectant indoor room was 10°C cooler ( 40° ) than the outside with 50°

After four days of heatwave room 3 got warmer than room 4 but only 3-5 degree. I think this was because of the longer outside wall

During the heatwave temperatures dropped under 40°C on a rainy night and all coolers, except Nr.2 were able to drop their rooms below zero. Nr.2 alternated between -1° and +1°

After the heatwave temperatures dropped to 25°C and all coolers worked normally again.

So either it was a bug in conjunction with a mod, or my kitchen layout sucked, I will let the game run for a while to check what happens on natural hot days.

In conclusion, I think I will move my kitchen completely underground and install a cooled room in front as a kitchen.




P.S.
( the seed is deathsentence 300x225, the coordinates are 25.24° / 29.87° 300x300 , check it out, its awesome )

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[SpaceDorf]

Because Size Restrictions .. here comes the savegame.

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[SpaceDorf]

No answer yet, to bad

Well the good news is, the reworked kitchen+freezer works pretty well so far in a 50°C heatwave.
Its still -2 inside without fiddling with the thermostat.

The setup is now stacked, the freezer is 5x10 cooled by two coolers set to -5, blowing the heat into the kitchen, having no connection to the outside at all.
The kitchen itself has two coolers set to -15 blowing outside. The Outside Temp is 50°C, the Kitchen is 34°C and the Freezer has -2°C

This makes me very happy.

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[jjcondon]

I had the exact same issue as the op.
I noticed my food was going rotten and thought hmm strange, so I checked the fuel to the generator, fine, checked the roof and conduits, also fine. There was no issue where my heat was venting because it was all going outside into an open paddock.
I tried installing many additional coolers and the room temp would still not drop enough to freeze food.

After googling for bugs and noticing this thread I carved away the remaining six mountain blocks which encased one corner of my building. Just by removing those blocks and filing in the one corner block I could now access with the mountain blocks gone immediately reduced the temperate in my cooling room.

There must be a bug with the way heat dissipates if your structures are touching mountain walls. Can provide screenshots or game save files if people also disbelieve me...

[brcruchairman]

There must be a bug with the way heat dissipates if your structures are touching mountain walls. Can provide screenshots or game save files if people also disbelieve me...

Thank you, JJcodon! That's very useful information. And awww, nobody disbelieves you! We had been asking for screenshots from the vacant Nuscler not because we thought he was lying, but because we wanted to know more! For instance, if he had the same problem as you (mountain tiles) we may have been able to get him an answer faster! No YOU, you were wonderful and found your own fix, then blessed us by sharing it; now, if we ever encounter similar problems, we can think of you and say, "Hm, are there mountain tiles in my freezer wall?" 'Cause that's a very useful, specific thing to look for.

You've helped a lot of people here today, JJCodon. Thank you!

[Serenity]

So needing four coolers set to about -70°C isn't supposed to be necessary? That struck me as weird all the time. Set them to -20° and they can't cope with the heat, but go lower and they suddenly keep the things frozen, although they were already at maximum power draw.