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Author Topic: I really hate needless friendly fire deaths  (Read 9721 times)

Shurp

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Re: I really hate needless friendly fire deaths
« Reply #45 on: May 12, 2017, 08:11:44 PM »

I suggest friendly fire chance be tied to the shooter's skill. The better they are, the lower the chances of ff.

I second this notion.  It would definitely be entertaining to see an intelligence curve where your expert marksmen wait until they have a clean shot while the trigger happy idiot with the minigun and poor aim happily guns down your colonists who are meleeing a rabbit.
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Re: I really hate needless friendly fire deaths
« Reply #46 on: May 13, 2017, 10:17:53 PM »

Honestly, if there's one thing I have to hand to this game (frustrating though it may be), it's that every infuriating thing that happens to my pawns IS usually my fault. Friendly fire is one of those. I can't think of a single instance of friendly fire that didn't occur because I forgot to undraft a guy, or didn't micro a grenade/molotov thrower properly.

Yeah, it's frustrating, but this game is incredibly straight forward and intuitive about its AI processes (which is more than I can say for a lot of games - I have no clue what went wrong half the time in Castle Story or Banished). If pawns aren't acting how you want, it's always because YOU restricted the wrong thing, didn't prioritize your zones properly, forgot to toggle a switch or (in this case) didn't do a good job of positioning them in the fight and microing their drafts.

PS: In real life, it actually makes a ton of sense for civilian pawns (and most of your pawns have civilian backstories) to friendly fire each other if they're in the same equivalent line of fire, especially under high stress or when wounded. Yeah, friendly fire should be rolled less often the more skilled a shooter your pawn is, but as far as I know this is already in play.
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Re: I really hate needless friendly fire deaths
« Reply #47 on: May 13, 2017, 10:19:15 PM »

I suggest friendly fire chance be tied to the shooter's skill. The better they are, the lower the chances of ff.

I second this notion.  It would definitely be entertaining to see an intelligence curve where your expert marksmen wait until they have a clean shot while the trigger happy idiot with the minigun and poor aim happily guns down your colonists who are meleeing a rabbit.

Given that RNG operates on invisible dice rolls, aren't more skilled shooters already less likely to friendly fire by simple virtue of being more likely to hit their intended target?
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Re: I really hate needless friendly fire deaths
« Reply #48 on: May 14, 2017, 01:15:59 AM »

Well if it rolls as a miss then have it roll another time to see if that missed shot will hit a friendly because goddamn, it's jarring for a legendary marksman to shoot his allies 2 times in a row that's just a few yards away.
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Re: I really hate needless friendly fire deaths
« Reply #49 on: May 14, 2017, 03:06:49 AM »

Given that RNG operates on invisible dice rolls, aren't more skilled shooters already less likely to friendly fire by simple virtue of being more likely to hit their intended target?
FF seems to be calculated before target hits, so no.
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Re: I really hate needless friendly fire deaths
« Reply #50 on: May 14, 2017, 05:19:57 AM »

Exactly.  Someone gets in the way of the shot and he's more likely to get plugged regardless of the accuracy of the shooter, or at least that's how it seems.  So what I'm suggesting is that when the FF check goes off, your pawn has a skill/200 % chance of aborting.  And if he does abort a little "shot aborted" text appears over his head for a moment like when someone fails a prisoner recruitment roll.
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If you give an annoying colonist a parka before banishing him to the ice sheet you'll only get a -3 penalty instead of -5.

And don't forget that the pirates chasing a refugee are often better recruits than the refugee is.
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