Transporting perishable foods by caravan for trade. How?

Started by Randal Miser, June 06, 2017, 04:21:16 AM

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Limdood

Quote from: DariusWolfe on June 06, 2017, 01:51:43 PM
QuoteThree pawns, two fully healthy, and one with movement at 95%, no snow since its all hot jungle.

This might not be true. There's a bug report about snow slowing a caravan near the equator.
Jungle doesn't have a different winter/summer movement time, but winter/summer movement travel times DO apply, no matter how severe the season is (a year long growing season temperate forest with warm winters will still have SUPER slow travel time in winter...1 tile over, on the rainforest hex, the travel time will be unchanged)

Thraxon

As far as i saw in A17 ( not enouth A17b test)

Food in caravan is quite bugged.

Food doesnt rot at all. My simple meal last more than 15 days in no snow travel
Animals doesnt eat kibble at all when you should be able.
Animals eat meals prior to corn or hay ... 

Limdood

Quote from: Thraxon on June 06, 2017, 03:15:57 PM
As far as i saw in A17 ( not enouth A17b test)

Food in caravan is quite bugged.

Food doesnt rot at all. My simple meal last more than 15 days in no snow travel
Animals doesnt eat kibble at all when you should be able.
Animals eat meals prior to corn or hay ...
are you using mods, or maybe trading for new meals (thus adjusting the spoiling time of a stack)?  because I have found food rots precisely when it says it will.  Even in frozen climates, where food SHOULD avoid spoiling.

Iorai

So a bit off topic but is the amount of food asked for in a caravan figured by weight or by quantity?

Say needing 951 potatoes...is that 951kg of potatoes or 28.53kg of potatoes (potatoes are .03kg per)? Basically could one of my camels carry it or do I have to bring the fleet?

DariusWolfe

Definitely by weight. I was able, surprisingly, to send a full order of rice (~1300, I think?) with two colonists and a dog (the dog didn't carry anything; He's just a good boy) along with a few other salables.

Limdood

Quote from: Iorai on June 06, 2017, 05:32:13 PM
So a bit off topic but is the amount of food asked for in a caravan figured by weight or by quantity?

Say needing 951 potatoes...is that 951kg of potatoes or 28.53kg of potatoes (potatoes are .03kg per)? Basically could one of my camels carry it or do I have to bring the fleet?
I think Darius might have misread your question?

Caravan requests are for individual items. Someone requesting 951 berries wants 951 individual berry items (pack meals or risk them being eaten!), which will weigh FAR less than 951 kg.  Weight is not factored in to caravan supply requests.

DariusWolfe

Quote from: Limdood on June 06, 2017, 06:27:31 PM
I think Darius might have misread your question?

I absolutely did. Limdood is correct in his explanation.

mcgnarman

Quote from: Randal Miser on June 06, 2017, 05:29:36 AM
Quote from: giannikampa on June 06, 2017, 05:02:52 AM
Not that sure corn rots in 6 days of travel only. I can think you read that in 6 days some food in your inventory is going to rot. The sistem tells you the minimum rotting time between all the food you are carrying.

My concern (almost) about the topic of this post is wether caravan members will eat the fastest perishable food in their trip then pemmican/packaged meals.
But wait, there is more! In the case metoned above,  will they randomly eat that corn then arrive to destination to discover they have not enought corns to fullfill the request?

Christ, I think you might be right.

Actually I think the corn will rot in 58 days POSSIBLY, unless the game is lying to me, and that the calculation is basing it off of the damn simple meals everyone are carrying around.

I'm gonna give this a shot and see what happens.

Yes you have to make your pawns drop the simple meals they carry for the caravan page to tell you how long until everything spoils. Got fooled a lot by this in A17 at the beginning. I was like "How does pemmican all of a sudden spoil in 6 days???" Then realized one pawn had a simple meal in inventory.

brinxter

How is the food calculated for caravans, because supposedly 222 pemmican is only enough food for just 3.5 days for two colonists, am i missing something?

DariusWolfe

17 pemmican is equivalent to 1 Simple meal. That's roughly (222/17/2) 6.5 meals each. The additional benefit of Pemmican is that they eat ONLY as much as they need, so there's less potential for waste over eating an entire meal, which may push the food requirement over maximum, and be lost. 7 meals each would last less time.