Make stone blocks skill restrictions

Started by Dukkha, July 07, 2017, 10:48:33 PM

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Dukkha

When making stone blocks, the allowed skill slider draws from the pawns construction skill rather than their craft skill.
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BlackSmokeDMax

Quote from: Dukkha on July 07, 2017, 10:48:33 PM
When making stone blocks, the allowed skill slider draws from the pawns construction skill rather than their craft skill.

That is because it now increases the construction skill. It's a weird mechanic now. You need crafting enabled for a pawn to do the job, which then generates construction skill. Construction increases speed of cutting. Not really sure why crafting is involved with the skill at all at this point...

Anvil_Pants

Quote from: BlackSmokeDMax on July 08, 2017, 10:46:24 AM
Not really sure why crafting is involved with the skill at all at this point...

Crafting is the job type. Construction is the job skill. Importance of that becomes more clear if you run that thought through Better Workbench Management and WorkTab, when Fluffy finishes WorkTab's A17 update.

It's happened a lot over the years. Medicine crafting using medicine skill, for example.

BlackSmokeDMax

Quote from: Anvil_Pants on July 08, 2017, 11:35:35 AM
Quote from: BlackSmokeDMax on July 08, 2017, 10:46:24 AM
Not really sure why crafting is involved with the skill at all at this point...

Crafting is the job type. Construction is the job skill. Importance of that becomes more clear if you run that thought through Better Workbench Management and WorkTab, when Fluffy finishes WorkTab's A17 update.

It's happened a lot over the years. Medicine crafting using medicine skill, for example.

I use both mods right now. Crafting is basically an on/off switch for stonecutting at this point, everything else to do with stonecutting is construction now.

Anvil_Pants

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Quote from: BlackSmokeDMax on July 08, 2017, 12:54:51 PMI use both mods right now. Crafting is basically an on/off switch for stonecutting at this point, everything else to do with stonecutting is construction now.

Did you use WorkTab in A16 or prior? It has very granular job priorities that aren't in the github beta for A17. With those, you can tell your builders to do stonecutting as the only craft they do. Same thing with doctors making medicine, or any other example we could dig up.

In the meantime of Fluffy working on that mod, we can create the same effect with Better Workbench Management, at the cost of extra job bills. It's the same as permitting only cannibals to butcher humanlikes.

You do it by making pawn-specific bills and also setting the builder pawns' craft priority to 1 less than their construction priority.

BlackSmokeDMax

Quote from: Anvil_Pants on July 08, 2017, 01:08:32 PM
Quote from: BlackSmokeDMax on July 08, 2017, 12:54:51 PMI use both mods right now. Crafting is basically an on/off switch for stonecutting at this point, everything else to do with stonecutting is construction now.

Did you use WorkTab in A16 or prior? It has very granular job priorities that aren't in the github beta for A17. With those, you can tell your builders to do stonecutting as the only craft they do. Same thing with doctors making medicine, or any other example we could dig up.

In the meantime of Fluffy working on that mod, we can create the same effect with Better Workbench Management, at the cost of extra job bills. It's the same as permitting only cannibals to butcher humanlikes.

You do it by making pawn-specific bills and also setting the builder pawns' craft priority to 1 less than their construction priority.

I've been using WorkTab for many alphas. And the current one does have the breakdowns, you need to ctrl click on the names to expand them now.

By the way, I'm not having any problems making things work in any way. I was more commiserating with the OP, and partially complaining of the design decision in this case.

Anvil_Pants

A'ha. That ctrl+click thing... sneaky. About as hidden as shift+ and ctrl+ on bills.

In any case, this isn't a bug, and isn't necessarily wrong.

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ison

I think it's ok. Thanks for reporting anyway.