Shelves have no path cost

[YokoZar]

Right now they're inconsistent with the rest of the constructions in the game.  They should either have a beauty score or no associated quality level.

If shelves didn't have quality, they'd be consistent with workbenches, graves, walls, and other neutral beauty constructs.
If shelves did have beauty, they'd be a more logical choice than wooden stools for crafting access.

Personally I prefer the second, but in any case shelves having quality feels like a bug after quality was removed from graves.

[Wanderer_joins]

It affects their market value

[Alenerel]

Well, I like the suggestion of having shelves as substitutes of wooden stools. The only problem is that you have 5 spots around the spot for stool, but you can only fill 4 with shelves and even if you put 2 shelves it doesnt look very nice.

About the quality, I think it should give more beauty, if it doesnt do already.

[YokoZar]

This is still relevant to 1.0 beta, bumping.

[Wanderer_joins]

And btw, shelves have no path cost, don't know if it was intended.

[YokoZar]

And btw, shelves have no path cost, don't know if it was intended.

I think adding path cost would make them usable as alternatives to stools for sitting next to work stations, which sounds like a good idea!

[Mihsan]

I think adding path cost would make them usable as alternatives to stools for sitting next to work stations, which sounds like a good idea!

Shelves have already giant benefit of hiding beauty debuff on stored things.

[Rulin]

And btw, shelves have no path cost, don't know if it was intended.

Is this new in 1.0?

[YokoZar]

And btw, shelves have no path cost, don't know if it was intended.

Is this new in 1.0?

A lot of other things with no path cost (eg tool cabinets) were fixed, this was probably just overlooked.

[YokoZar]

I made a really really quick mod that modified the shelves with the following:

- <ThingDef ParentName="FurnitureWithQualityBase">
+ <ThingDef ParentName="FurnitureBase">
+ <pathCost>60</pathCost>

The quality change worked as expected, and the addition of path cost had the wonderful side effect of making crafters not walk onto the tile.  With this simple change you can use shelves instead of stools to accompany your speedy crafting stations!

[YokoZar]

I think adding path cost would make them usable as alternatives to stools for sitting next to work stations, which sounds like a good idea!

Shelves have already giant benefit of hiding beauty debuff on stored things.

I didn't know this fact until this thread, it should be in the text description!

[YokoZar]

Still live in latest 0.19 beta

[Tynan]

They definitely should have a sensible path cost.

Shelf description should note that it hides beauty debuff of things it holds and prevents deterioration of items even if outside.

We could add a small beauty value but note that wealth itself affects room impressiveness too.

they'd be a more logical choice than wooden stools for crafting access.

What does this mean?

[YokoZar]

they'd be a more logical choice than wooden stools for crafting access.

What does this mean?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNgseXjUbyo&feature=youtu.be&t=14m56s

When you have goods on top of stools your crafters can reach for them rather than having to walk over and pick them off the floor.

With a path cost on shelves they can pull items off the shelves too.

[Alenerel]

they'd be a more logical choice than wooden stools for crafting access.

What does this mean?

If you put a stool near a stove, for example, and a stockpile there, the cook can grab materials instantly from there. A shelf could have the same functionality.