[B18] Vegan 0.4.2

Started by tremono, December 13, 2017, 05:17:36 PM

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tremono

Quote from: Vlad0mi3r on March 29, 2018, 10:21:28 PM
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Thanks, i agree, but i changed it already. Because vanilla milk has some parameters, meat too. And milk is more expensive than meat, although nutrition is the same. Making tofu (substitute meat) from soymilk (substitute milk) is problem without game unbalance and nonsense. So i want soymilk, but no tofu made of milk.

Now it is more intuitive:
Soybeans balanced to others plants(?) but only 0.03nut (bad as cooking ingredient)
Potato    0.05nut 1.1$
Soybeans 0.03nut 1.1$
Meat      0.05nut 2$
Tofu       0.05nut 2$ <- 1soybeans (10->10 cooking)
Tempeh  0.05nut 2$ <- 1soybeans (75->75 fermenting)
Milk       0.05nut 3.1$
Soymilk  0.05nut 3.1$ <- 3.3soybeans (10->3 cooking)

Ok, i added the soymilk. At the moment it is comparable to milk, a bit unnecessary (yet) and unprofitable (tofu is better)... but tasty raw! :)

Canute

Currently the soymilk is just a good way to destroy nutri and value.
10 soybean ->  10 Tofu = 0.5 nutri  20$
                        10 Tempeh = 0.5 nutri 20$
                         3.3 Soymilk = 0.15 nutri 9.3$

I am not a soya/tofu expert, does there exist some drink you could create out of soymilk. Maybe with some addition of vanilia fruits.
So it turn these unprofitable soymilk with some extra progres into some more useful thing ?

tremono

Quote from: Canute on March 30, 2018, 04:56:36 AM
Currently the soymilk is just a good way to destroy nutri and value.
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That's why I removed it before. Now it is useless, it has the same parameters as milk, but it is not profitable. I think soymilk should not be more profitable than milk... maybe is too disadvantageous now, but it is temporarily. Now has not use, but i plan icecream from both milks.

Please help me, how balance it and don't ruin "milk business"? I do not have much experience. :)

Canute

What do you think about this.
Tempeh is made out of soybean's like i read.
But Tofu is made out of soymilk, do that production chain beam -> milk -> tofu.
But since it need more production, you can some extra output for tofu.
Currently you geting 10 tofu out of 10 soybean, just get 12 tofu out of 3 soymilk out of 10 soybean.

I don't think many people are going for Tempeh since it need the fermention barrel and time.
And i would suggest a big barrel (2x2) with a 750 capacity for mass production.
Maybe powered too to reduce the fermention time.


tremono

Quote from: Canute on March 30, 2018, 09:22:19 AM
What do you think about this.
Tempeh is made out of soybean's like i read.
But Tofu is made out of soymilk, do that production chain beam -> milk -> tofu.
But since it need more production, you can some extra output for tofu.
Currently you geting 10 tofu out of 10 soybean, just get 12 tofu out of 3 soymilk out of 10 soybean.

I don't think many people are going for Tempeh since it need the fermention barrel and time.
And i would suggest a big barrel (2x2) with a 750 capacity for mass production.
Maybe powered too to reduce the fermention time.
Fermention time = 2 days, output 75x tempeh. Tofu is cooked faster, but time of fermentation is time the cook saves for cooking meals.
I think, barrel capacity and speed is ok and cost is minimal, it's an investment. Fermentation isn't better as cooking tofu, it is only different way, both have pluses and minuses.

Your tofu chain suggestion - i'll think about it. Thanks. Maybe like this, in next version. Mmm?:
              soy -> milk -> tofu
pcs x$    10x1.1 -> 5x3.1 -> 10x2
$             11 -> 15.5 -> 20
pcs x nut 10x0.025 -> 5x0.05 -> 10x0.05
nut           0.25 -> 0.25 -> 0.5

But now i need reduct cooking time by half...

Thanks.

Canute

QuoteBut now i need reduct cooking time by half...
Like you mention with the Tempeh, you exchange the extra nutri gain with the cooking time.
If the player want more free time for the cook, he should use Tempeh.

At Vegetable garden there is a similar chain.
Corn -> cornmeal -> polenta
Which give a big nutri gain compared to raw resources.

tremono

New version, soy milk is back and better.

soyboi

This is great, hope to see it updated for 1.0!   :D

Trentennisfigati

As a huge tofu soya lover, I really wish this is updated to 1.0

Canute

You know Vegetable Garden got tofu too.
Similar mechanic beside the fermenting barrel.

Tarontis

Quote from: Pirate333 on December 14, 2017, 10:05:15 AM
Great mod, but there should be a chance for men to get soy related side effects caused by the drop in testosterone level like mood swings or depressions!

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4270274/

Having dairy in your diet actually increases oestrogen levels much more than anything in a plant based diet. That's why most vegans have higher testosterone than meat eaters while still having a much lower cancer risk.

What you claim here is a wide spread myth that is fortunately not true.

https://nutritionfacts.org/2013/02/12/less-cancer-in-vegan-men-despite-more-testosterone/