Random raider deaths are pissing me off

[shentino]

So what exactly causes raiders to die when I beat them up with fists?

Besides the obvious causes of death that would kill anyone of course (metabolism or consciousness to zero, loss of a vital body part, fatal disease, etc).

[5thHorseman]

Game balance.

[shentino]

I was asking what, not why.

I know that it's game balance

I'm just asking what exactly triggers it, and at what levels.

[5thHorseman]

I was asking what, not why.

I know that it's game balance

I'm just asking what exactly triggers it, and at what levels.

Ah, sorry. A random roll. Something like 2/3 or 3/4ths of all raiders just die, no matter what, when they go down. It's in the code. It does not depend on level or storyteller, at least from what I've seen written in these forums.

[notfood]

Install this mod: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1464742390

[shentino]

I was asking what, not why.

I know that it's game balance

I'm just asking what exactly triggers it, and at what levels.

Ah, sorry. A random roll. Something like 2/3 or 3/4ths of all raiders just die, no matter what, when they go down. It's in the code. It does not depend on level or storyteller, at least from what I've seen written in these forums.

Thanks, this is exactly what I wanted to know.  Do you happen to have a citation?

[Canute]

If you would read the description of the mod notfood linked :

In vanilla RimWorld, human-like pawns that are not part of your colony have a chance to instantly die when downed. Animals have a 50% chance to die when downed.

[5thHorseman]

I was asking what, not why.

I know that it's game balance

I'm just asking what exactly triggers it, and at what levels.

Ah, sorry. A random roll. Something like 2/3 or 3/4ths of all raiders just die, no matter what, when they go down. It's in the code. It does not depend on level or storyteller, at least from what I've seen written in these forums.

Thanks, this is exactly what I wanted to know.  Do you happen to have a citation?

Not a direct one, but it was said on this forum as that's basically the only place I get information on the game. It was during the beta when they were changing the values and trying different ones. I don't know for sure if it was Tynan himself who said it but it was an official thing.

Also, IIRC someone found it in the decompiled source code.

[shentino]

Does anyone, perhaps a developer, happen to know the default odds and/or the curves used by the storytellers?

[Zaltys]

Does anyone, perhaps a developer, happen to know the default odds and/or the curves used by the storytellers?

Same for all storytellers.
Scaled value based on populationIntentFactorFromPopCurve from Storytellers.xml, modified by enemyDeathOnDownedChanceFactor from Difficulties.xml. So any colony with 20+ pawns has it at max.

27.5% to 46% in Peaceful, 41.25% to 69% in Builder, 55% to 92% in other tiers. And the way it is curved, it is already near the max at 10+ colonists.

Those numbers are, of course, completely unrealistic and clearly only done for balance reasons. Ratio of wounded:dead in real wars is usually around 6:1 (though some of the wounded die later from infection and other causes). Modern wars have been considerably less lethal than that: weapons may be better, but so is protection.