I know a person who has prieted the game I even have prof we have multiple messages talking that he got the game for free I'm just wondering is that against the terms and survices because if it is I would like to tell one of the staff or something I rally don't know what to do can anyone help me?
also I don't mean pirates in the game
You have to call the Police and arrest the heathen pirate in the name of our glorious leader Tynan.
Unless you're the police or that person's parent you don't have any duty to do anything at all.
Your heart's in the right place but don't worry about it :)
If you know where he got it, you should report the source.
Precedence is that your friend probably won't get into trouble, it's not easy to track down and enforce such things on the individual level.
Furthermore, pirating is treated more so as fraud & counterfeiting rather than outright theft, so I think the appropriate thing would be to flag the distributors if you're concerned about it. They're typically more concerned with the illegal redistribution.
I'm not a law professional, however, so take that with a grain of salt.
You might try firing mortar shells at them till they flee.
I like to build walls on the map such that pirates end up walking past mech ships (after activation), getting into an interesting fight that the pirates usually lose.
I think you should tell the person that you really enjoy RimWorld and that you believe in supporting the development of great games. See if you can get them to agree to purchase a legit copy of the game if they end up playing it a lot.
Pirating software will always be a thing because so many games aren't worth the pile of bits they are made from. But true game developers are artists, and they deserve to be compensated for the enjoyment they bring to others.
Putting yourself in the position of "enforcer of laws" (unless you actually happen to be one, of course) can cause you worlds of social, legal, and personal trouble. If they are nailed and they blame *you*, as an easy example, you'd better hope they're relatively civilized about the matter; being morally correct does not deflect fists to the face, or even worse =o!
Freemapa has given — in my opinion, of course — the proper approach. Remember, it's best to lead by example. Plus, no matter how useful they may be, in the end no one likes a narc, that simple.
Delete his version and tell him to buy the real one :DD
Just ignore it and move on.
You're not a cop, you're not the IP holder. Tynan probably knows exactly where he got it and he can't do anything about it either. You can't fight piracy. Entire multi-billion dollar industries tried and failed miserably.
If you want to do something about it, tell him to just advertise the game, maybe he'll generate some sales.
All the posts to ignore it are the thing to do. Most IP holders after a while realize something about pirates: they're not customers. Sounds obvious put that way, doesn't it?
Anyway, back on topic, you should kill him, butcher him, eat him, and convert his skin into a duster and cowboy hat. LOL.
Find out why they pirated it.
And then maybe talk about it.
There has been so much focus on technological and legal approaches to combating piracy, when possibly a cheaper approach would be to just talk to people. With the wonders of today's technology you can talk to a lot of people at once if you do a live stream or a video.
Just because he got the game for free doesn't mean he pirated it. Just a small heads-up.
I also got it for free.
buy the game for him. simplest solution.
Snitches get stitches
Just kick his ass til he give you 30$, then send it to Ludeon. And you will be partly legit with that man.
...And then you will have a nice visit to the crowbar hotel.
Seriously, folks, assaulting someone for a civil offense (IP violation) is not even remotely OK.
> Seriously, folks, assaulting someone for a civil offense
You must have taken serious offense to my recommendation to kill him, eat him, and convert him to a duster and a cowboy hat. ;-P
Your suggestion was obviously an attempt at humor =).
I felt it necessary to say something, before I heard the baying of hounds. Let it go, people...
https://reporting.bsa.org/r/report/add.aspx is what you are looking for.
i don't think you should bother, maybe he don't have that much money to spend or he wanted to test the game before buying,
i played rimworld on a friend's house, and i liked the game, i went home and looked at the price, here on Brazil the game costs R$ 56, which is pretty expensive for a indie game, it's almost a triple A game, even that i've managed to buy it with discount it was still expensive, so i think you shouldn't care that much for someone that got the game for free, not everyone can buy things.
Piracy is a fact of life if you're in the software industry. Most people pirate because they don't have the money, just like people steal food if they can't affford to buy it. Don't worry about it. Ludeon has made a lot of money on Rimworld already.
Quote from: Hierophant on October 20, 2017, 06:59:20 AM
Snitches get stitches
And blindly loyal dogs invite corruption and lies.
One harms the snitch, the other harms
literally everyone else.
Don't do anything! Piracy doesn't really harm the software industry as a pirate wouldn't buy the game anyways. It could however inspire the pirate to buy the game! Some say piracy is stealing, but it's really like stealing food from someone with a magic food source that is literally infinite.
There's a balanced discussion of piracy in this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfZv_lPwBFI
Quote from: Kizitk on October 20, 2017, 05:18:51 PM
i don't think you should bother, maybe he don't have that much money to spend or he wanted to test the game before buying,
i played rimworld on a friend's house, and i liked the game, i went home and looked at the price, here on Brazil the game costs R$ 56, which is pretty expensive for a indie game, it's almost a triple A game, even that i've managed to buy it with discount it was still expensive, so i think you shouldn't care that much for someone that got the game for free, not everyone can buy things.
JUST @ the quoted poster, not about this thread in general:
this isn't an excuse. I can't buy a nice car. It does not justify me stealing one. Can't afford it, you don't get it.
Once again, even in the US, which has pretty nasty IP laws, IP "piracy" is a civil violation (tort law), stealing a car is a felony (in this case, state criminal law, unless you cross state lines, which would make it federal). They are NOT analogous, not even close, unless you go on to try to *sell what you pirated*, which is fraud (a felony). They aren't even tried in the same court systems! Nor can you be confined via a civil court decision, except for those involving involuntary committal to a mental institution and cases involving contempt of court.
If you want to suppress piracy — a goal I actually support, overall — a good start is to not mislabel it and end up tilting at windmills forevermore =p. No, piracy *is not* "theft"; if I steal your car, you simply don't have the original any more. If you start with a false assumption, any argument you build from it will fall to sand at the slightest touch of logic.
It's like this:
- Is it OK to pirate RimWorld, or in fact any other software? Generally not, except when necessary to save lives (poor hospitals, for example).
- Is it a huge deal to the software companies? - That actually varies. For small developers, it's often a HUGE burden. For large devs, however, it's more or less free advertising to their most avid fanbase. The real deal is that pirates are also the largest consumers of PAID content online (https://torrentfreak.com/0-more-on-content-than-honest-consumers-130510/) (many more links easily available), so it's not necessarily a zero-sum game, unlike how the situation is usually presented to the public ^^' .
- Rabid exhortations to violence on the interwebs have a nasty tendency to be carried out, in some form or another. I am NOT a fan, even in jest. More than one of my friends (both male and female) has been "cyberstalked" in the past year by self-appointed groups of "net vigilantes"; f*ck that shit, especially since it was over bullshit every time!
Quote from: Bozobub on October 22, 2017, 02:30:45 PM
Once again, even in the US, which has pretty nasty IP laws, IP "piracy" is a civil violation (tort law), stealing a car is a felony (in this case, state criminal law, unless you cross state lines, which would make it federal). They are NOT analogous, not even close, unless you go on to try to *sell what you pirated*, which is fraud (a felony). They aren't even tried in the same court systems! Nor can you be confined via a civil court decision, except for those involving involuntary committal to a mental institution and cases involving contempt of court.
IMO you're making an argument of semantics there. Is IP theft technically the criminal offence defined in most countries official Codes of Laws? No. In most cases it does technically fall under a different crime, but it still is a crime. Both are crimes, and incidentally, both are also highly unethical and the sort of things people do when they refuse or are unable to distinguish between right and wrong.
Regardless of what label a person puts to software piracy, it's still morally, legally and ethically wrong and the semantics of the word choices in no way invalidates the point that just because you can't afford something does not give you the right to take it without informed consent. Regardless of whether the thing was taken by theft, or deceit and would be technically defined as Theft, or Fraud, is beside the point here.
IMO Limdood point is well taken and very valid. What label is applied to the crime does not matter. So what if the person got something wrongly by stealing it (theft), cheating (fraud) to get it, or bought it legally with stolen goods (stole money from someone else and used it to buy the game for example). All are still wrong and also valid points of comparison.
It's not "semantics"; it's the literal definitions of the laws involved. No, IP violations are not theft. Period. Mislabeling them as such has accomplished what, exactly..? What has the RIAA/MPAA achieved, for example, by attempting this same false equivalency? :P
I have repeatedly agreed that yes, "piracy" is wrong; it's amoral at best, in most situations. That doesn't change the simple fact that your chosen tactic immediately falls flat on its face. IT'S NOT WORKING. That's not surprising; building your case on a logical fallacy tends to have that consequence (yes, Der Orangenführer is a noxious exception to this rule, along with his compatriots *shrug*).
If you really want to fight IP violations, don't shoot yourself in the foot; it's counterproductive. If you give someone the key to dismantling your entire argument immediately as you define it, you're probably going to lose that debate, right? Yes, words matter, most especially when referring to the law and legal consequences.
You're not wrong, but all I was saying is context matters, and the post you replied to on that was not saying software piracy is theft, but that the excuse of "i had to do it because I didn't have the money to buy it" is a fallacy and using the example of stealing a car to show the fallacy of the "too poor to buy" excuse.
BTW, Semantics is exactly what your argument was based on. Semantics is defined as the use and meanings of words, and your argument was based primarily on the choice and meaning of the word "theft" being correct or not.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/semantics (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/semantics)
still, we do seem to agree that using another's IP without permission is wrong.
I was referring to many posts in this thread, not just the OP. And again, it's NOT "just" semantics; my problem is with the attempt at minimization.
Definitely dismissing a wrongful act or justifying it away is not the right way to go, no matter how hard it may be to find a workable solution.
All the persistence of software piracy means is we still have yet to find an effective solution to put a stop to it. It does not mean that finding such a way is not a worthwhile goal, and certainly excusing the poor ethics of those using piracy to get their games will only make it worse.
Any excuse short of the developer approves of it is bunk, IMO. Don't have the money? Do some work and earn it. Don't like the developer? Don't play any of their games then. Feel the game is overpriced? Wait for it to go on sale or just don't play it until it comes down to a reasonable price. Playing games is a luxury, there is no survival need to do it and plenty of legal ways to entertain yourself without money if you're too broke or cheap to pay, and plenty of legal ways to raise money for yourself if you really want to have those luxuries. No excuse to cheat anyone out of their work, or cheat those who are ethical enough to pay for it.
I had written up a nice post with some bite to display everything wrong with the attitude of the OP, but as habit demands, checking the forum rules to see if it would get me into trouble (yes it would have), this caught my eye:
6. No piracy: No discussions of game piracy, and especially no posting of pirate links or material.
You need to inform the government ASAP this crime is for death row !
JK
But seriously why do you care ? If you bought the game and supported the devs then you done the most you can do to help out the game and its development
Quote from: Seriously Unserious on October 22, 2017, 10:08:45 PM
Definitely dismissing a wrongful act or justifying it away is not the right way to go, no matter how hard it may be to find a workable solution.
All the persistence of software piracy means is we still have yet to find an effective solution to put a stop to it. It does not mean that finding such a way is not a worthwhile goal, and certainly excusing the poor ethics of those using piracy to get their games will only make it worse.
Any excuse short of the developer approves of it is bunk, IMO. Don't have the money? Do some work and earn it. Don't like the developer? Don't play any of their games then. Feel the game is overpriced? Wait for it to go on sale or just don't play it until it comes down to a reasonable price. Playing games is a luxury, there is no survival need to do it and plenty of legal ways to entertain yourself without money if you're too broke or cheap to pay, and plenty of legal ways to raise money for yourself if you really want to have those luxuries. No excuse to cheat anyone out of their work, or cheat those who are ethical enough to pay for it.
funny do you think the same about Early Access games ?
I don't think we should forget that while piracy hurts sales, it also improves them, I pirated the game up till Alpha 13? I think? I bought it afterwards because the game is good. It is by far the best way to test a game you aren't sure about.
Quote from: laser50 on October 23, 2017, 12:50:45 PM
I don't think we should forget that while piracy hurts sales, it also improves them, I pirated the game up till Alpha 13? I think? I bought it afterwards because the game is good. It is by far the best way to test a game you aren't sure about.
I agree with this....there is a lot of early access scam going on Steam with abandoned projects, bugs that make the game unplayable, unadded content seen in trailers, promises that never get implemented, hype that never lives up to its name, copy/paste same game from free to play on browser ect. But this type of scam is not illegal
If you aren't sure about a game, then why even 'try it out'?
Is it the case that it looks interesting, but you don't know how well it will run, if at all?
Or, is there simply not enough information immediately available to make a decision?
To decide whether you can actually run the game well, go and look at the support forum for the game that you're buying. If there are lots of game-stopping bugs, then you probably want to avoid the game, at least until those issues have been resolved. If it's more the case that a few people have problems due to trying to run the game on a laptop or older PC, then that's something to take into consideration as well.
If there's not enough information to make a decision, then see if anyone is streaming the game. Watch the gameplay and ask some questions.
It strikes me that bypassing the pay gate and downloading the game from a third-party site is the easy option. Actually researching a game that you're not sure about is hard. You have to figure out the right questions to ask, and then bring all the answers together to make an informed decision, and then there's still that 0.1% chance that when you actually buy it, you won't feel like you've got your money's worth.
On the other hand, doing all that tricky information-gathering could help you avoid some of the pitfalls of today's game market. For example, let's say that a game looks interesting, but then you dig a bit deeper and you find out that it has bugs, that no further updates are planned, and support is abysmal. Dodged that bullet!
Relying on downloads from a third-party source to assess whether a game is worth buying is a slippery slope. On the one hand, it does allow you to check that the game actually works and is enjoyable, but then once you have that download, there's nothing stopping you from just playing that, except your conscience nagging you. ;)
I wouldn't put too much stock in the idea that piracy helps sales. The number of people who buy a game after playing a version they downloaded from a third-party site is always going to be smaller than the number who don't buy the game after doing the same, for whatever reason. That's not helping.
What would be helpful is a respected site which does exhaustive and impartial research on games, so that you can make a better-informed buying decision. It would also be the bane of unscrupulous game developers trying to scam customers or make a quick buck on an overhyped game.
Quote from: MarvinKosh on October 23, 2017, 03:19:43 PM
If you aren't sure about a game, then why even 'try it out'?
Is it the case that it looks interesting, but you don't know how well it will run, if at all?
Or, is there simply not enough information immediately available to make a decision?
not gonna quote the whole thing
If it was not for me downloading early alpha game can't remember which version but still I would never play this game today and never decide to buy it at all and they would not benefit another 27,99 Euro (not that matters or makes a difference). Because from what I saw in trailer, pictures and gameplays was a SCI-FI colony survival game. And I am not a fan of SCI-FI games of any type so I was never interested in this game but due to its rise and popularity I decided to download it to check it out without me wasting my money if the game turns out to be not my type of the game.
And now not only did I buy the game I have spend countless hours on it. If it was not for me experiencing the gameplay myself I would have never even looked at this game again.
I do agree that people who download it from somewhere that they don't have to feel obligated to pay. But if you like the game then you should support it, also it allows you to get access to Steam Workshop which is a benefit in many games
But with all of these Early Access scams going on can you really blame them
Also System requirements are not always correct, I had games that demanded more then my PC has but my pc was able to handle it very well, and games that did not demand anything above my specs but I was not able to run the game without heavy lagg....another reason to check out the game before buying
Mind your own damn business that's what ...