Imagine the tribesmen that you "recruited" somehow want to "escape" the only planet they've ever known :D
Conversion of a native people to a non-native belief system is a story that goes back centuries if not millennia. Assuming the "recruitment" is genuine (not feigned to escape later), I see no inherent problem with it.
After you have those recruits kill some of their own tribesmen, they aren't going to be welcomed back with open arms anyway.
Quote from: carbon on December 04, 2016, 10:06:15 AM
Conversion of a native people to a non-native belief system is a story that goes back centuries if not millennia. Assuming the "recruitment" is genuine (not feigned to escape later), I see no inherent problem with it.
After you have those recruits kill some of their own tribesmen, they aren't going to be welcomed back with open arms anyway.
Dude, I don't think you got my point at all :D
It depends on what kind of scenario you play, and if you actually want to escape. Building the escape ship is completely optional, and it's only one endgame type, and as far as I know, there will be more endings. Besides, we don't even know how those towns and tribes got founded in the first place. It's perfectly possible that more people survived the crash of that spaceship that your colonists travelled on, so maybe some of the outlander towns were people who crashed on that planet with you. If that's the case, then it makes perfect sense that they want to escape.
I think more that the starting guys are the protagonists and everyone else is a supporting actor. Even more, usually I get attached to one guy, which usually is the builder since Im always controlling him, and if he dies then I get tired of the game.
Quote from: vampiresoap on December 04, 2016, 10:59:11 AM
Quote from: carbon on December 04, 2016, 10:06:15 AM
Conversion of a native people to a non-native belief system is a story that goes back centuries if not millennia. Assuming the "recruitment" is genuine (not feigned to escape later), I see no inherent problem with it.
After you have those recruits kill some of their own tribesmen, they aren't going to be welcomed back with open arms anyway.
Dude, I don't think you got my point at all :D
Either you didn't explain your point well enough for me to understand or, he got your point, and then pointed out historically speaking why it might happen. Some of your colonists have the possibility of coming from a glitterworld, after all, and it makes perfect sense that some of the "socialization" that happens are stories of their homeworld, or stories of what happened to them in their lives.
Great point OP.
What's the story though?
I meant "belief system" in the most generalized sense.
In the RimWorld case, the recruiters' belief system centers around: "this world is trash and one should do everything one can to get off of it".
By whatever means the recruiters use (stories of great wealth and power, miracles from the sky, torture, etc.), the recruits come to see the (false?) wisdom of this belief and follow through with it until they succeed, die or come to no longer believe it (e.g. recaptured by tribesmen).
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If you wanted to go full meta, then the "it's a game, stop worrying about it" response applies.
It's pretty hilarious that some of you don't get it :D Your 3 colonists crash land on a strange planet and you eventually build a ship to escape it. But if those 3 guys die and the tribesmen you recruited end up building the ship and getting the same ending...that doesn't really make sense...There, I'm done being a 2nd grade teacher haha...don't ask me to do it again.
PS: I think Cpt. DuctTape up there provided a "possible" explanation, but I'm not really convinced and still finding it hilarious.
Quote from: Alenerel on December 04, 2016, 12:54:05 PM
I think more that the starting guys are the protagonists and everyone else is a supporting actor. Even more, usually I get attached to one guy, which usually is the builder since Im always controlling him, and if he dies then I get tired of the game.
I feel the same way about the founding members too! I usually closely monitor their progress and give them the best medicine available. This game really makes you care about your pawns
Well Stockholm Syndrome (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome) is real as are other forms of conversion / indoctrination presumably.
It's fine if you don't agree with a particular explanation, but if you're going to mock those who reply to your questions in good faith, then I won't be replying to your topics in future.
Wouldn't YOU want to leave your shit planet, once you found out glitterworlds exist..?!
Although, yes, your sartorial "flair" may raise some eyebrows, back in civilization xD ...
"Nice hat!"
"Thanks, it was my ex-wife."
"She wore hats too, eh?"
"Pardon? Oh, no, she IS the hat. She kept starting fights with everyone, so we ate her."
*sound of person rapidly blinking, then edging away*
"But, damn, this jacket and hat we made are sure sweet, right? I guess all that moisturizer she used really DID pay off, y'kn-... Hey, where ya goin'?"
Given how catastrophes (volcanic winters, toxic fallout, psychic rage inducers, etc) seem to happen annually on the planet, I don't think people need much convincing to leave.
Quote from: carbon on December 04, 2016, 03:04:49 PM
Well Stockholm Syndrome (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome) is real as are other forms of conversion / indoctrination presumably.
It's fine if you don't agree with a particular explanation, but if you're going to mock those who reply to your questions in good faith, then I won't be replying to your topics in future.
Why so serious? Also, I'm laughing too hard to apologize :D It's 2017, get used to being teased when you go on a full tangent in any given conversation. The "you offended me and I demand an apology and a pinky swear" thing ended after the election lol
Quote from: Bozobub on December 04, 2016, 03:40:24 PM
Wouldn't YOU want to leave your shit planet, once you found out glitterworlds exist..?!
Although, yes, your sartorial "flair" may raise some eyebrows, back in civilization xD ...
"Nice hat!"
"Thanks, it was my ex-wife."
"She wore hats too, eh?"
"Pardon? Oh, no, she IS the hat. She kept starting fights with everyone, so we ate her."
*sound of person rapidly blinking, then edging away*
"But, damn, this jacket and hat we made are sure sweet, right? I guess all that moisturizer she used really DID pay off, y'kn-... Hey, where ya goin'?"
I actually WOULDN'T want to leave that planet. You can imprison, torture and cannibalize whoever you like (or should I say dislike? :D) What's not to love? Selling your enemies' for parts is one of the most satisfying things in human history. It's up there with infecting the world with zombie virus ;) which is totally going to happen in the next 10 years or so
Quote from: vampiresoap on December 04, 2016, 06:51:56 PM
Quote from: carbon on December 04, 2016, 03:04:49 PM
Well Stockholm Syndrome (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome) is real as are other forms of conversion / indoctrination presumably.
It's fine if you don't agree with a particular explanation, but if you're going to mock those who reply to your questions in good faith, then I won't be replying to your topics in future.
Why so serious? Also, I'm laughing too hard to apologize :D It's 2017, get used to being teased when you go on a full tangent in any given conversation. The "you offended me and I demand an apology and a pinky swear" thing ended after the election lol
Haha yeah it's almost 2017 so clearly any rules we set in place go right out the window right? Hahaha...
Yeah would you like to take this time to fix your mistake in this thread or should I just go ahead and swing my hammer of bans and we can clear up this incident in a few days when you get back?
Quote from: vampiresoap on December 04, 2016, 02:40:11 PM
It's pretty hilarious that some of you don't get it :D Your 3 colonists crash land on a strange planet and you eventually build a ship to escape it. But if those 3 guys die and the tribesmen you recruited end up building the ship and getting the same ending...that doesn't really make sense...There, I'm done being a 2nd grade teacher haha...don't ask me to do it again.
PS: I think Cpt. DuctTape up there provided a "possible" explanation, but I'm not really convinced and still finding it hilarious.
Perhaps you have not heard the Tell of Captain Walker: www.youtube.com/watch?v=23SVHUPrUJ4
Quote from: Ramsis on December 05, 2016, 07:23:05 AM
Haha yeah it's almost 2017 so clearly any rules we set in place go right out the window right? Hahaha...
Yeah would you like to take this time to fix your mistake in this thread or should I just go ahead and swing my hammer of bans and we can clear up this incident in a few days when you get back?
Can i have the leather when your done? And mind going for skull? I need to make a new jacket the raiders stole my last one and the belly leather is always the warmest....
On topic though look at it this way, Lets say you joined a community be it via wandering in, being bought as a slave and set free (i know for damn sure if inwas a slave and someone bought me i would be loyal as hell to em) a captured raider or trib talked into joining what ever, lets say you became fond of them or heard storys of glitterworlds or homeworlds so much better then yours or have old tribal storys of your ancestors coming from the stars whatever.
Even if the 3 founders died it dosent mean you just drop a project, hell by that logic america shoulda turned back to britain when GW died, and as others have said a ship is the end goal sure but thats only because that is the only emd game option for the moment.
This game is a story generator, its up to you which direction it takes, if you want the colony to fall apart when the founders die then thats your call, if you prefer going from building a ship to building a raider mulching machine so you can sell human burgers to passing traders when the founders die thats your call, if you want to launch the ship with enough uranium and explosives onboard to make a dirty bomb the size of an aircraft carrier to take a planet hostage again your call.
Thats how i look at it, game says well heres how you start now go have fun with it.
Quote from: Ramsis on December 05, 2016, 07:23:05 AM
Quote from: vampiresoap on December 04, 2016, 06:51:56 PM
Quote from: carbon on December 04, 2016, 03:04:49 PM
Well Stockholm Syndrome (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome) is real as are other forms of conversion / indoctrination presumably.
It's fine if you don't agree with a particular explanation, but if you're going to mock those who reply to your questions in good faith, then I won't be replying to your topics in future.
Why so serious? Also, I'm laughing too hard to apologize :D It's 2017, get used to being teased when you go on a full tangent in any given conversation. The "you offended me and I demand an apology and a pinky swear" thing ended after the election lol
Haha yeah it's almost 2017 so clearly any rules we set in place go right out the window right? Hahaha...
Yeah would you like to take this time to fix your mistake in this thread or should I just go ahead and swing my hammer of bans and we can clear up this incident in a few days when you get back?
What mistake? Guys bust each other's balls all the time. The only mistake here is how people nowadays are so damn sensitive and don't realize guys don't do this because they don't like each other. I also don't like threats. If that's your immediate reaction, then you should rethink your whole administrative methods.
Quote from: vampiresoap on December 05, 2016, 11:46:53 PM
Quote from: Ramsis on December 05, 2016, 07:23:05 AM
Quote from: vampiresoap on December 04, 2016, 06:51:56 PM
Quote from: carbon on December 04, 2016, 03:04:49 PM
Well Stockholm Syndrome (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome) is real as are other forms of conversion / indoctrination presumably.
It's fine if you don't agree with a particular explanation, but if you're going to mock those who reply to your questions in good faith, then I won't be replying to your topics in future.
Why so serious? Also, I'm laughing too hard to apologize :D It's 2017, get used to being teased when you go on a full tangent in any given conversation. The "you offended me and I demand an apology and a pinky swear" thing ended after the election lol
Haha yeah it's almost 2017 so clearly any rules we set in place go right out the window right? Hahaha...
Yeah would you like to take this time to fix your mistake in this thread or should I just go ahead and swing my hammer of bans and we can clear up this incident in a few days when you get back?
What mistake? Guys bust each other's balls all the time. The only mistake here is how people nowadays are so damn sensitive and don't realize guys don't do this because they don't like each other. I also don't like threats. If that's your immediate reaction, then you should rethink your whole administrative methods.
Despite the knowledge that I'm feeding here, I feel a need to correct.
Guys sometimes "bust each other's balls" when they know each other. That's part of having rapport, not building rapport. If you bust a stranger's balls in public, expect it to lead to violence. This was the internet equivalent of that.
Falls more in line with you're being an ass, we have rules against being an ass, and it was to the point where I woke up to six different reports against you saying you invited people to a topic only to ridicule them.
You'd also be wise to show some basic respect, especially if a member of the forum staff are calling you out for something you said that is clearly violating our rules.
"1. No personal attacks: No personal attacks or insults - especially angry, inflammatory ones. Feel free to criticize a game, mod, or idea - but take care never to allow that to become a personal attack on an individual. Even oblique or implied personal attacks are disallowed.
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You know, if people keep asking these questions about motivations/lore and promptly ignoring/belittling the replies just to keep the argument going, I'm going to start answering in absurd ways.
The reason your colonists still want to build a spaceship after the initial 3 die is because they all act like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVn1oQL9sWg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVn1oQL9sWg)
Quote from: MikeLemmer on December 06, 2016, 12:33:53 AM
You know, if people keep asking these questions about motivations/lore and promptly ignoring/belittling the replies just to keep the argument going, I'm going to start answering in absurd ways.
The reason your colonists still want to build a spaceship after the initial 3 die is because they all act like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVn1oQL9sWg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVn1oQL9sWg)
By my count, only Cpt. DuctTape, Alenerel, Arctic_fox and maybe one other person got the point and replied accordingly. The rest of you were either posting without thinking or probably skipped/ignored what was being asked. That isn't rude? Expect mockery when you do that in any given conversation. Carbon especially brought up this whole religious/belief conversion thing and started to defend it...dude, that's totally not on point to begin with...Yeah, I might be an ass, but at least I read people's threads before posting.
So yeah, swing your mighty hammer, King of Egypt. Do your worst, for I am legion. (Meaning I'll just get another account to haunt your ass :D no, just kidding) Fine, I do feel bad if some of you got your precious feelings hurt (such an unfortunate tragedy). Please accept my human leather as my sincere apologies.
*blink*
Piddling on the feet of staff/admin is never a good idea. Why even go there?
I've no quarrels with you Vamp, let the record show that right now; also if you take any time to look at my usual ban threats they tend to be on the more jovial and fun side if I can help it. Just try to remember not everyone on this forum is thick skinned, also try to remember we don't force much in the way of caring about age so... you know you could just be shitting all over some kid who in their head was giving you a fair opinion.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I have to yell at anyone who can be perceived as breaking the rules yo.
QuoteDoes the story even make sense after the death of your 3 original crash landers
Yes
Okay, boss, fair enough. "Drops smoke and vanishes"