I would like to see fishing added to the game, now that we have access to the different biomes so if you select a place where you have access to alot of water it would make sense that you would be able to fish.
Oh, yes please!
Together with corn and bread (and beer/whiskey).
I would love to construct a boat and hit the ocean to catch some Whales! XD
Quote from: Monkeysaur on September 07, 2014, 04:22:32 PM
I would love to construct a boat and hit the ocean to catch some Whales! XD
An island biome or ocean biome you could land in would be cool.
This simple fishing could be done by a mod-building of a fishing hut placed on shallow water\mud which would have to "craft" (would really just be catching) fish ...
offtopic: i want to be able to travel to adjacent zones to be able to do more things with the game...
Quote from: Cr0ss0vr on September 07, 2014, 04:50:02 PM
This simple fishing could be done by a mod-building of a fishing hut placed on shallow water\mud which would have to "craft" (would really just be catching) fish ...
Yeah you could do that, but i think it'll be added to the game at some point in the future!
It's basically a good idea; my main concern is just
-It requires a new kind of zone
-It requires the AI interact in a new kind of way
-It requires a new work type, thus a new entry on the work permissions screen. I really avoid cluttering this screen.
I haven't done it yet just because it's near-indistinguishable from hunting in gameplay effect.
Could you not just make it part of Hunting? Then allow the player to set ocean-edge tiles to be hunted, or something?
Quote from: MajorFordson on September 07, 2014, 10:01:31 PM
Could you not just make it part of Hunting? Then allow the player to set ocean-edge tiles to be hunted, or something?
How do you make your expert shooter only hunt, and your expert fisher only fish?
Quote from: Tynan on September 07, 2014, 10:02:36 PM
Quote from: MajorFordson on September 07, 2014, 10:01:31 PM
Could you not just make it part of Hunting? Then allow the player to set ocean-edge tiles to be hunted, or something?
How do you make your expert shooter only hunt, and your expert fisher only fish?
Simple! Equip the expert hunter with the one of a kind, 'fishing' grenades! XD
Quote from: Tynan on September 07, 2014, 10:02:36 PM
Quote from: MajorFordson on September 07, 2014, 10:01:31 PM
Could you not just make it part of Hunting? Then allow the player to set ocean-edge tiles to be hunted, or something?
How do you make your expert shooter only hunt, and your expert fisher only fish?
Uhhhh, make a fishing rod "melee" weapon, ie requires them to stand adjacent to the water? :o
Hunting with a spear in shallow water!
XD
Quote from: Tynan on September 07, 2014, 09:46:30 PM
It's basically a good idea; my main concern is just
-It requires a new kind of zone
-It requires the AI interact in a new kind of way
-It requires a new work type, thus a new entry on the work permissions screen. I really avoid cluttering this screen.
I haven't done it yet just because it's near-indistinguishable from hunting in gameplay effect.
- Yeah it would, and hunting isn't a zone, which makes sense.
- I think that adding more to the AI at the moment might not be a great idea, but i don't know how much you can use from the hunting AI?
- The permission screen is already really cluttered, i personally think that Growing and plant cutting could be merged and the same goes for art and crafting, and ofcourse construction and repair, that would go a long way towards making it less cluttered.
Fishing could be done as part of the "growing" skill. People would cast nets over the water (equal to sowing seeds), wait for them to fill (like you wait for crops to grow) and then collect the fish from them.
This way, you wouldn’t need any new mechanic. You could even reuse the growing area - if used over shallow water, you would choose "fish" as the food to grow. BTW, this made me think it would be great to have plants like rice and sugarcane which could be grown in shallow water, too.
Hey that's a clever idea! And they could farm seaweed/algae in the shallows!
Quote from: Tynan on September 07, 2014, 10:02:36 PM
Quote from: MajorFordson on September 07, 2014, 10:01:31 PM
Could you not just make it part of Hunting? Then allow the player to set ocean-edge tiles to be hunted, or something?
How do you make your expert shooter only hunt, and your expert fisher only fish?
fish with a shotgun and club the muffalos with your fishing rod to death, 'nuff said :P.
Quote from: Leird on September 08, 2014, 07:45:38 AM
i personally think that Growing and plant cutting could be merged and the same goes for art and crafting, and ofcourse construction and repair, that would go a long way towards making it less cluttered.
+1 on this.
* plant cutting and growing merged, with cutting as higher priority
* crafting and art merged, with crafting as higher priority
* construction and repair merged, with repair at higher priority
Quote from: Monkeysaur on September 08, 2014, 04:13:13 AM
Hunting with a spear in shallow water!
agreed, but i also would like to see small lakes or deep ponds (impassable) for actual fishing.
Quote from: Tynan on September 07, 2014, 09:46:30 PM
I haven't done it yet just because it's near-indistinguishable from hunting in gameplay effect.
hunting requires going away to hunt for prey, where as bodies of water are static. which allows players to build their base around it.
deeper bodies of water can also be used more effectively for defense.
I'm sorry to say, keylocke, but your suggestions are really, really not good.
--So, if there are trees to chop down and food to grow, the food is completely ignored and there is no way to change that.
--If there are 100 stones to cut and some art to make, the art is totally ignored. Moreover, art and crafting are separate skills and there is no way to specialize people into them.
--If it's after (or during) a raid and a lot of your stuff is damaged, and you desperately need to build a hopper next to your paste dispenser so you can eat, it's impossible until eeeeeeverything is repaired.
Yes, you can get around some of this with prioritizing, but I'm trying to make direct control less of a thing, not more.
Quote from: Tynan on September 21, 2014, 12:23:10 PM
I'm sorry to say, keylocke, but your suggestions are really, really not good.
--So, if there are trees to chop down and food to grow, the food is completely ignored and there is no way to change that.
--If there are 100 stones to cut and some art to make, the art is totally ignored. Moreover, art and crafting are separate skills and there is no way to specialize people into them.
--If it's after (or during) a raid and a lot of your stuff is damaged, and you desperately need to build a hopper next to your paste dispenser so you can eat, it's impossible until eeeeeeverything is repaired.
Yes, you can get around some of this with prioritizing, but I'm trying to make direct control less of a thing, not more.
Yeah, I had the exact same thoughts. Especially merging construction and repair would be bad.
What about my suggestion to repurpose Growing Zones for fishing?
Quote from: Tynan on September 21, 2014, 12:23:10 PM
--So, if there are trees to chop down and food to grow, the food is completely ignored and there is no way to change that.
the reason i suggested this is that, wood walls/furnitures/doors get obsolete fast since they have low HP and high flammability (easily seen when under siege). so that the only wood i end up chopping, are only the ones that block passageways. (i rarely use wood for building stuff)
also, since there are growing zones and hydrophonics. the "harvest" command only tends to get used in dire food emergencies.
in both cases : chopping wood that blocks passageways and harvesting wild shrubs for emergency food. tends to be rare occasions on my play-thrus. which is why, i thought they should have higher priority since it's faster to do these fewer tasks, as compared to the larger task of growing farms in zones or hydrophonics.
edit : my farmer tends to be the wood cutter as well. with plant cutting set at a higher priority
(since i think both task share the same skills)
Quote from: Tynan on September 21, 2014, 12:23:10 PM
--If there are 100 stones to cut and some art to make, the art is totally ignored. Moreover, art and crafting are separate skills and there is no way to specialize people into them.
i haven't really seen "art" in action yet. but if their main benefit is "beauty" to boost morale, there are several craftable items that does the same. as you well know.. (gold stuff)
also, crafting 100 stones doesn't take too long for someone with a high crafting skill.but most times, the "craft" skill tends to be more useful and critical to base building. which is why i thought they'd get higher priority if merged.
Quote from: Tynan on September 21, 2014, 12:23:10 PM
--If it's after (or during) a raid and a lot of your stuff is damaged, and you desperately need to build a hopper next to your paste dispenser so you can eat, it's impossible until eeeeeeverything is repaired.
when i lay down the plans for the entire base, i usually have to prioritize critical features first by micromanaging it anyways. so it doesn't seem much of a change of pace as to what i do now.
if there is something that i really need to get built first because of it's necessity, then prioritizing it doesn't seem to be much of a problem.
other than that, repairs seem to be more important, since it's easier to repair than to rebuild things from scratch. also, i think that repairs and construction use the same skill anyways, so i tend to have the same person assigned for both tasks. (with repair having the higher priority)
So, forgive me for the bump, but can someone tell me if fishing is intended for a future build?
Would be delighted to add fish to my colonists diet.
I heard no news on that, myself I'm still hoping for Tynan to add River where you could fish.
Also, you accidentally uncovered some quote from Tynan relevant to a new discussion about fusin Construction&Repair.
Quote from: Tynan on September 07, 2014, 09:46:30 PM
It's basically a good idea; my main concern is just
-It requires a new kind of zone
-It requires the AI interact in a new kind of way
-It requires a new work type, thus a new entry on the work permissions screen. I really avoid cluttering this screen.
I haven't done it yet just because it's near-indistinguishable from hunting in gameplay effect.
What if it was just a special kind of 'growing zone' that fit over water? Instead of tending to crops, they tend to 'nets' or something similar as a proxy for whatever means of fishing?
Basically, just a pallete-swap of growing for water tiles.
At it's most basic, it provides an alternative to crop planting for harsh-climate regions. Ideally, it could encourage bases along the water in coastal regions.
That work?
Right know there's a topic here (https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=11397.0) from Tynan himself asking what we think of merging 2 task, which led to discuss the general overview.
From the discussion and the decision Tynan take will depend the fate of human civilizationaddition of new occupation/mechanic like fishing.
I'm just wondering if it would be easier to apply an existing mechanic/task/job to a new tile type instead of making a new mechanic/job/task for it.
Yes it's a decent suggestion.
I think if it's not feasible to implement in the core build at the moment, someone could maybe have a stab at a less than perfect mod. Your nets idea was really good, that would allow them to be treated like growing so could be simple to do, even if not a fully fleshed out fishing mode.
Right. The game already takes liberties with a number of things to facilitate gameplay, I don't think this should be much different. Just literally make it 'growing in water'.
Myself I see the fishing net idea going quite well with ... RIVER (https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=10234.0).
How to deal with it as a task however... there's surely many way, but most of them cause problem.
Instead of fish how about adding an aquatic animal type like seal that could be hunted with the existing game mechanics? I believe some water specific resources (fish, edible seaweed etc.) would make coastal colonies more interesting.
Quote from: MajorFordson on September 08, 2014, 09:08:39 PM
Hey that's a clever idea! And they could farm seaweed/algae in the shallows!
Or, we could use growing area function to highlight an area for growing, switch growing potato into growing fish. In the mean while, the 'growing' & 'construction' worker will convert that area into a pond of water for fish to grow in.
IMO the option to merge would be fine, but we should have a window that we can configure if we wanted to do so. More options the better, just add another tab to the interface.
Water only animals would be fun, but how to reach them would be problematic IMO. Though I'd love to see mostly water worlds with lots of pirate ships going about killing things xD!
Quote from: BetaSpectre on March 15, 2015, 07:53:08 AM
IMO the option to merge would be fine, but we should have a window that we can configure if we wanted to do so. More options the better, just add another tab to the interface.
Water only animals would be fun, but how to reach them would be problematic IMO. Though I'd love to see mostly water worlds with lots of pirate ships going about killing things xD!
The way I was imagining it, if it were to be simply added as a mod for example, would be that I create a zone on the water, connected to the shore and to a maximum of 2 squares away from the shore, and each of those squares begins with an empty net texture, and this remains until "harvesting" time. At that point the colonists goes and "plant cuts" the nets. The resulting item, rather than being a harvested crop in a basket, is textured as a basket (for example) of fresh fish.
So it's basically "growing fish" using close to shore water tiles with the nets being the "plant" and the fish being the "fruit/veg", using the current crop system.
It's very simplistic, but I basically I just want to see fish, maybe some baskets of small fish, maybe a few big individual fish, in my freezer with my other meats. I like varied resources. :)
Quote from: Tynan on September 07, 2014, 09:46:30 PM
It's basically a good idea; my main concern is just
-It requires a new kind of zone
-It requires the AI interact in a new kind of way
-It requires a new work type, thus a new entry on the work permissions screen. I really avoid cluttering this screen.
copy paste growth zone. restrict to shallow water tiles. add rice and fishing traps? (take space similar to tree's for fishing traps/nets)...
Monkeysaur I think was on the same line of thought...
I do like the idea of using the beaches and water though with my coastal home... I haven't attempted starting a colony over water... (do we instantly drown or land forms??) xP
I would imagine going as far as saying wanting floods and other disasters as well would be taking it to far coding wise xD
Quote from: Monkeysaur on September 07, 2014, 04:22:32 PM
I would love to construct a boat and hit the ocean to catch some Whales! XD
HIRE THIS MAN XD