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RimWorld => Ideas => Topic started by: KarolineDianne on October 05, 2014, 02:22:23 PM

Title: What do you want me to do, let them die? (Incapacitated Visitors)
Post by: KarolineDianne on October 05, 2014, 02:22:23 PM

So after a firefight with some raiders, a friendly visitor wound up incapacitated. As any good neighbor would, I went to go rescue them, but the only option was 'capture'. Upon grabbing the dying visitor, her town declared my colony their enemy. Well then, this is an awkward situation.

I think this needs to be addressed. Friendlies who've been incapacitated and left behind should be able to be 'rescued'. Brought to a medical bed, rather than a prisoner bed, and nursed to health before being let go. If anything, this should IMPROVE relations with a faction, rather than cause war.

Similarly, there should be an option to set prisoners free, in case they aren't worth the trouble recruiting (99 difficulty AND you have two cataracts? Not worth the time), and you aren't interested in selling them into slavery, harvesting their organs, or just executing them. This would probably work well just by setting the prisoner loose and having them leave the map like a departing visitor, and maybe giving you a tiny boost to that faction's relations.

But most importantly, we need to NOT be flagged as enemies just for not letting friendly visitors bleed out in the woods. That seems completely backwards.
Title: Re: What do you want me to do, let them die? (Incapacitated Visitors)
Post by: stefanstr on October 05, 2014, 02:38:13 PM
I think there should be the option to "rescue" them instead of arresting. At that point, you would heal them in a medical bed, like colonists. But when they would heal, they would go back to their colony, increasing their standing with you.
Title: Re: What do you want me to do, let them die? (Incapacitated Visitors)
Post by: Geokinesis on October 05, 2014, 03:51:05 PM
There should be negative impacts for if they return without all their organs, to stop you 'healing' them by organ removal and getting improved relations with their factions.
Title: Re: What do you want me to do, let them die? (Incapacitated Visitors)
Post by: Klitri on October 05, 2014, 03:51:25 PM
I had the same issue today, after a bloody battle and slaughterfest, a poor woman ended up with no legs and one arm. I knew I'd have a decreased relationship, but I saved her anyway because I felt bad for her.
Title: Re: What do you want me to do, let them die? (Incapacitated Visitors)
Post by: kingtyris on October 05, 2014, 09:13:16 PM
This +100. Hope you're reading this, Tynan.
Title: Re: What do you want me to do, let them die? (Incapacitated Visitors)
Post by: Lechai on October 05, 2014, 09:22:49 PM
This is a good idea to rescue them, although i think this may have been mentioned elsewhere.
Title: Re: What do you want me to do, let them die? (Incapacitated Visitors)
Post by: Johnny Masters on October 05, 2014, 10:34:10 PM
Quote from: Lechai on October 05, 2014, 09:22:49 PM
This is a good idea to rescue them, although i think this may have been mentioned elsewhere.

Quite a lot actually. But hey, the more attention it gets...
Title: Re: What do you want me to do, let them die? (Incapacitated Visitors)
Post by: ComradeCrimson on October 05, 2014, 11:02:50 PM
On this note, it'd also be cool if healed visitors return and they have a boost to your colonist's happiness if they converse, or they might bring a gift or something as a token of appreciation. Reoccurring characters so to speak.
Title: Re: What do you want me to do, let them die? (Incapacitated Visitors)
Post by: Dickhat on October 06, 2014, 12:47:49 AM
So much this.

I hate seeing people dying on the ground and not being able to do anything.

I know they were pirates trying to kill me but if I take them as prisoners I'll either have to execute them or sell them as slaves, both which I don't feel like in a Good Guys colony.
Title: Re: What do you want me to do, let them die? (Incapacitated Visitors)
Post by: Mathenaut on October 06, 2014, 01:32:33 AM
More neutral/positive interactions in general.  Would be nice if talking with visitors gave even small gains with relations.

Rescue should be made available to non-hostiles.  That, or there should be a window after capture (like a few days?) before the other colony presumes the worst and goes hostile.
Title: Re: What do you want me to do, let them die? (Incapacitated Visitors)
Post by: TrashMan on October 06, 2014, 05:54:33 AM
Yes. I really hate seeing people bleed to death and not being able to  do anything about it.
Title: Re: What do you want me to do, let them die? (Incapacitated Visitors)
Post by: Varnhagen on October 06, 2014, 06:07:07 AM
We have such nice hospitals now...
+1 one for getting a faction boost for saving people.
Title: Re: What do you want me to do, let them die? (Incapacitated Visitors)
Post by: Wex on October 06, 2014, 10:38:05 AM
They were passing by, they were not particularly friendly to me, but oh boy, they did hate the pirates attacking me. After a furious fight, none of my colonist were (seriously) hurt; because they acted as decoys, distracting the pirates suffering heavy losses. At the end, 2 of them were left behind by the survivors. And my only option is to let them die. :'(
Title: Re: What do you want me to do, let them die? (Incapacitated Visitors)
Post by: stefanstr on October 06, 2014, 12:06:37 PM
This problem has been raised multiple times already. I don't think I have ever seen Ty comment on that topic. Does anybody know what Ty's plans are?
Title: Re: What do you want me to do, let them die? (Incapacitated Visitors)
Post by: Cedric on October 06, 2014, 01:11:51 PM
Eat them
Title: Re: What do you want me to do, let them die? (Incapacitated Visitors)
Post by: litlbear on October 06, 2014, 02:59:09 PM
lmfao Cedric
Title: Re: What do you want me to do, let them die? (Incapacitated Visitors)
Post by: ciditi on October 06, 2014, 03:45:47 PM
It would be nice if you could try to recruit the visitor while they're still recovering after they've come out of being incapacitated.  Some of the visitors have quite nice abilities sometimes.  If you recruit them, you might have a minor decrease in relationship with the faction they're with, but not too terrible, or maybe base it on their highest level skill (ie, if they have high skills, they're worth more to the faction losing them).

If you let them go, then you get an increase with the faction for the return, but of course it cost you the medicine and possible a prosthetic or  two to get them moving again.

This would add a balance to the recruit or send on their way since your standing with the faction would be affected.