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I have recompiled all my mods into one mod and made some major changes. First I want to mention that hay acting as wood has been removed. It was a fun experiment but I never liked it.

I will move the old downloads to the first comment below and as always I appreciate feed back.



Ok first off this is not a complete overhaul. Not yet at least but rather a slowly growing compilation of all my changes. I have however set up the folders so that you can easily remove specific parts of the mod if you only wanted some of it. It's only named Del's overhaul because I don't know what else to name it besides Del's mod.

It is now slightly becoming more of an overhaul with the changes to plants, beds and research so if anything starts to feel wrong compared to vanilla be sure to let me know.



Reworks vanilla plants so that many are now harvest-able, grow-able, or otherwise more balanced. Adds new research including Agriculture (colonists begin with) and Wild Plants (tribes begin with). Also adds torch sconces, fire pits, adobe and tobacco (Jecrell's tobacco v1.2) and now new beds and a bed tab.



I want to start with saying I didn't change a single number or line without thinking about it for awhile and comparing it to other parts of the vanilla game. A detailed notes file is included showing the numerical changes.

Adds a torch sconce and fire pit that require stone cutting be researched first and neither one will vanish when out of fuel. Both can be made of stone or metal and both burn fuel at the same rate and hold the same amount as vanilla with the same brightness and heat. (Does not use the texture of Bacon Bits wall torch though his looks better if made with wood.) The torch sconce is rotate-able but looks fine as a standing torch from it's default position.

Grass and tall grass are now harvest able  but farming haygrass still pays off better.
Bushs can be chopped for 10 wood which is half the amount of the smallest tree.
Hay can then be used to cook adobe at any stove or campfire.

Strawberry, hay, cotton, trees, corn and tobacco require agriculture to be unlocked.
Colonists begin with agriculture.

Bushs, berries, dandelions, healroot and smokeleaf need Wild Plants to be unlocked.
Tribes begin with Wild Plants.

Many but not all plants will now remain and regrow after being harvested such as strawberries, corn and bushes. But not most root plants like potatoes and heal root.

Nutrition and grow time for base plants and beauty has been recalculated and tweaked. Now your garden can have more variety with actual effects. Grass can still be cut to prevent fires but when harvested no longer leave behind an ugly patch of dirt.

Psychoid cannot be planted before Psychite Production has been researched.
Hops cannot be planted before brewing has been researched.

Dandelions are now harvest-able for an emergency food source or to make beer.
_{In real life dandelions leaves can be used for salads, the roots for tea and the heads for beer. I didn't want to add all that so the easiest solution was to let dandelions be harvested for a small amount of hops. Which are now edible but have low nutrition and taste bad raw. Currently still only can be made into beer not meals. It would take some work to make em cook-able but let me know if you think I should.}



Now with new beds

All beds including Animal Beds, Vanilla Beds and all the newly added beds in my mod now come on their own furniture tab called Beds. Which is great for reducing furniture clutter in the UI as well as will let me easily add more beds in the future if needed such as perhaps more decorative beds or beds with more functions.

Playing as a Tribe you will begin the game with Hide Working which lets you make the classic Tribal Wear and now also Hide Bed and Double Hide Bed. Playing as colonists you already start with Complex Clothing, relabeled as Tailoring it now also lets you build a sleeping bag or a double bag. Sleeping bags require a component or two for various functionality such as a zipper.

Either way you may wish to first build a hay bed or double hay bed. What you have no hide or hay and your lovers want to sleep together, well then just slap down a double sleeping spot.

All costs and effectiveness were based against vanilla beds which are now harder to make requiring cloth for the mattress and a few components for springs but is just slightly boosted. The royal beds comfort has also been boosted just enough to let a stone royal bed not actually be a set back in comfort. But who wants their lonely leader in a giant stone bed all to himself anyway. So why not build a wooden royal bed that's just the right size with the new Single Royal Bed.

Hospital beds are untouched other then instead of requiring 10 medicine to build it now requires 200 silver instead. They are still the best bed for all medical purposes.

Much thanks goes to TrueDestroyer. (https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=26249.msg265429#msg265429) for the original sleeping bag image and the double sleeping spot. Also if this is too many beds for you, he has separate smaller mods of both the sleeping bag and double sleeping spot.  and vanilla beds requiring fabric.

A note about early game beds; the tribes are going to have a much easier time getting the leather for hide beds compared to the colonists getting fabric for sleeping bags. I think this is fine and of course colonists have the bonus of research speed and such. I'd just recommenced either getting comfy with some hay beds and maybe make some better quality ones or get those cotton plants planted. Wool and such also works.

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TLDR
Now playing as tribe vs a colony affects what you can grow and if you can make adobe and what your starting smokes and beds are. Some of these changes may make fires a bit harder to fight but with adobe which takes some time to process you have another option to deal with them. Vanilla gardening and gathering should be more interesting with the changes to what needs re-planted or not and the tweaked beauty and grow time ect.


Download

Dropbox
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/56234648/Dels%20Overhaul%20A15c%20v003.rar

Or adfly to support my modding. Wait for the ad to pass and click skip, usually in the top right corner.
http://adf.ly/1epKNt



If you use any of mods there is no warranty and using them in mods packs or to make your own mods is fine but of course give me credit and please tell me.






Compatibility:

Not compatible with plant saver but it's only function is now built into this mod but not every plant. If you do try to use both load plant saver after mine. Probably not compatible with vegetable garden.

Probably not going to be compatible with anything that changes a file in the ThingsDefs_Plants folder. If you want it to be made compatible with a specific mod I may be willing to make a compatibility patch or with the authors permission work them into one mod.

Adobe, the torch sconce and the fire pit do not overwrite any item.

Any mod that changes vanilla beds wont be compatible but mods that at new beds should absolutely be all they will probably still show up in the furniture tab.

A warning about the colony manager mod. This mod works great with colony manager and you can even use that mod to set how much hay you want foraged for from grass but if the map has a lot of grass the game may appear to freeze for a moment as as the manager decided which grass needs cut.


Customizing this mod is easy. In the Del's Overhaul folder inside the def folder there are separate folders. If you don't want adobe at all delete the adobe folder. Same with tobacco or if you want those but not the plant changes then delete Del's Plant and Garden. Or you can use the old links below. The furniture folder now contains the beds, torch sconces and fire pits as well the research for those.

Or just use one of the older links below.

Old Download's but still A15

Old V002 everything but the beds.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/56234648/Dels%20Overhaul%20002.rar

Del's Firepits Don't Vanish VF  Only adds the sconce and firepit
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/56234648/Del's%20Firepits%20Don't%20Vanish%20VF.rar (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/56234648/Del's%20Firepits%20Don't%20Vanish%20VF.rar)

Del's Grass and Bush: Original. Only makes grass drop hay and bushes drop wood.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/56234648/Del's%20Grass%20and%20Bush%20Drop.rar (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/56234648/Del's%20Grass%20and%20Bush%20Drop.rar)

Del's Grass & Bush & Adobe
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/56234648/Del's%20Grass%20%26%20Bush%20%26%20Adobe.rar

Del's Overhaul. (All mods in one) just the above three
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/56234648/Dels%20Overhaul.rar (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/56234648/Dels%20Overhaul.rar)

I'm totally into vanilla friendly, and gameplay enhancing mods, and this is amazing!
Waiting for your future mods!!!!
That preview though xD Here you go, grab a free preview image for future releases;)
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Ok, I updated the post and also added your logo into the original version.

Quote from: TrueDestroyer on October 02, 2016, 03:27:40 PM
I'm totally into vanilla friendly, and gameplay enhancing mods, and this is amazing!
Waiting for your future mods!!!!
That preview though xD Here you go, grab a free preview image for future releases;)

I'm still most just fiddling around and experimenting but let me know what you think of the recent changes. Definitely been trying to have cleaner preview images even if still not great.

Nice:) I use VF fireplaces and original grass bush drop:)
Also you might want to check out this thread (https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=26559.0) I made, asking about how to make graphics like in game (these black outlines)

Good to know.

Hello,

not sure if this is from this mod or plant saver but I am getting images of red "X" boxes over some of the bushes. I am going to post a picture as an attachment. is this supposed to be apart of the game?


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Is plant saver the one where plant's don't get cut completely but instead grow back. Yeah I doubt these two would be compatible. I'll look into making a compatibility patch or incorporating them together.

Which version of my mod do you use?

Also if my response was late it's only because I was trying to spend some time actually playing and not just modding, lol.

Thanks for the input and screenshot also.

Well i had first disabled plant saver from the list, then it still was there. After I disabled your mod from the list and the Red X's were also still there. So now I'm not sure if its either of your mods. I also posted in the general help section for MODS and someone said it means that the texture for the bushes aren't loading. In reply, i asked how does one go about fixing this because I don't know what would be causing this now??

Yea I just downloaded plant saver and there are no incompatibilities since my mod changes wild grass and bushes and plant saver changes farmed plants. I'll have to double check the farmed hay, but no wild bushes wouldn't be affected by plant saver and neither of ours mess with bush graphics.

If you want to you can share a list of all the mods you have or a screenshot of your mod load order. Do you have any that changes map generation or adds or removes plants?

Thank you for this mod.  I wonder if we could use harvested grass as bedding for the tribe start. It would be better than sleeping on the hard, cold ground.

Cool

ohh you know what I think i may know what it is. You just reminded me about a mod I loaded called enhanced forestry, which i also have running with increased forest density. These two mods probably conflict with one another. I apologize I didn't notice it sooner but when you mentioned terrain gen then it clicked. So i will mess with these mods and see what happens. LIGHTBULB! ;)

Quote from: Old Marm on October 11, 2016, 09:44:44 AM
Thank you for this mod.  I wonder if we could use harvested grass as bedding for the tribe start. It would be better than sleeping on the hard, cold ground.

That's actually something I have been looking into and planning for, I'm even thinking of going further and overhauling the beds in general.

Quote from: Cynsity702 on October 11, 2016, 08:57:46 PM
ohh you know what I think i may know what it is. You just reminded me about a mod I loaded called enhanced forestry, which i also have running with increased forest density. These two mods probably conflict with one another. I apologize I didn't notice it sooner but when you mentioned terrain gen then it clicked. So i will mess with these mods and see what happens. LIGHTBULB! ;)

Enhanced Forestry, that mod I haven't seen but I will look into it.

Update: Actually I can't find it at the moment. Let me know if you have a link. I'll try looking for it again some more later.

Hey Del,

First off great work on the overhaul bud. Especially the linear compatibility with plant saver. Thanks for your effort. Secondly, after some working yesterday I did not locate the mod that made the Red X's as i unloaded enhanced forestry and kudzu mod for forest density...Subsequently the game crashed and I lost my mod order again....I don't even know how many times its happened now, lost count...anyway enhanced forest is on steam workshop, not sure if you use it but thats where its located.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=753267126

Back to the drawing board again on loading mods and seeing if i can find the culprit. Again thanks! TTYS

@delheit scones hold torches?(http://c3412893.r93.cf0.rackcdn.com/post/scone-main.jpg)
I always wondered what the British did with those things :P

Quote from: mabor0shi on October 12, 2016, 10:18:19 PM
@delheit scones hold torches?(http://c3412893.r93.cf0.rackcdn.com/post/scone-main.jpg)
I always wondered what the British did with those things :P

lol. It's sconce of course but I do really like scones and often mix up the two words. I fixed the one's in this post and I'll be on the look out for more typo's let me know if you see any :)

Thanks

Quote from: Cynsity702 on October 12, 2016, 07:27:54 PM
Hey Del,

First off great work on the overhaul bud. Especially the linear compatibility with plant saver. Thanks for your effort. Secondly, after some working yesterday I did not locate the mod that made the Red X's as i unloaded enhanced forestry and kudzu mod for forest density...Subsequently the game crashed and I lost my mod order again....I don't even know how many times its happened now, lost count...anyway enhanced forest is on steam workshop, not sure if you use it but thats where its located.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=753267126

Back to the drawing board again on loading mods and seeing if i can find the culprit. Again thanks! TTYS

Let me know how it goes. I'm not currently using steam and am actually trying to switch all my game purchasing to gog. but I did take a brief look at the forestry mod. I don't think it should be incompatible with mine but I'm not positive. If it did turn out to be the problem I could probably find a way to get a hold of the mod files or the author but it sounds like it's not that.



However to everyone who uses my mod let me know if you'd like me to work on biomes. I haven't thought about it much but if I did I might not add as many tree's as the other biome modders and would possibly balance the extra tree's by making them harder to cut down. Personally I also wish there were skills that influenced plant cutting, I have no idea how to add that at the moment though.

I am currently working on beds and really think some of you will like the next release.

Thank you!

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I think if you did put out a biome mod, not increasing the trees and making them harder to cut down would be cool if the quantity of wood dropped was increased as well! Great idea though...sometimes the biomes OD on trees is a bit much.

Quote from: delheit on October 14, 2016, 03:53:27 AM
I also wish there were skills that influenced plant cutting, I have no idea how to add that at the moment though.

Growing influences plant cutting. I must b misunderstanding you.
look here↓

Quote from: delheit on October 01, 2016, 06:01:43 PM
Del's Firepits Don't Vanish VF  Only adds the scone and firepit
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/56234648/Del's%20Firepits%20Don't%20Vanish%20VF.rar

LoL this is how i choose to spend my time. hey, can pawns walk through tile with wall sconce without it slowin em down? Space is very valuable (unlike my time) so I got no room for floor lamps. But darkness is bad.

Quote from: Cynsity702 on October 14, 2016, 08:35:57 PM
I think if you did put out a biome mod, not increasing the trees and making them harder to cut down would be cool if the quantity of wood dropped was increased as well! Great idea though...sometimes the biomes OD on trees is a bit much.

What I meant to say was one or the other, such as maybe I wouldn't increase tree's very much or if I did increase them make up for the larger amount of available wood by making it a little slower to get, possibly.

Quote from: mabor0shi on October 14, 2016, 10:38:04 PM

Quote from: delheit on October 14, 2016, 03:53:27 AM
I also wish there were skills that influenced plant cutting, I have no idea how to add that at the moment though.

Growing influences plant cutting. I must b misunderstanding you.
look here↓

Quote from: delheit on October 01, 2016, 06:01:43 PM
Del's Firepits Don't Vanish VF  Only adds the scone and firepit
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/56234648/Del's%20Firepits%20Don't%20Vanish%20VF.rar

LoL this is how i choose to spend my time. hey, can pawns walk through tile with wall sconce without it slowin em down? Space is very valuable (unlike my time) so I got no room for floor lamps. But darkness is bad.

That's funny I actually thought about setting it to not slow them down but vanilla torches do and my torches can be used as ground torches. But on the other hand it's kinda weird torches slow you down at all with them being small and jack being nimble and all that. I'll either find a way to balance it or I will make a small separate mod so that it is optional.

Does Growing influence plant cutting? It always bugged me that in the work tab it says plant cutting is based on no skill and everyone has a 2 in plant cutting. That's what I though was going on anyway. I think growing should influence it either that and/or melee.

I guess growing does affect plant cutting. Thanks.

Quote from: TrueDestroyer on October 14, 2016, 07:15:48 PM
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Lol, I had to zoom out to figure out what this was.

Quote from: delheit on October 15, 2016, 05:06:00 AM

Quote from: TrueDestroyer on October 14, 2016, 07:15:48 PM
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Lol, I had to zoom out to figure out what this was.

Just wanted to give you a big like ;)

Quote from: TrueDestroyer on October 15, 2016, 06:27:20 AM

Quote from: delheit on October 15, 2016, 05:06:00 AM

Quote from: TrueDestroyer on October 14, 2016, 07:15:48 PM
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Lol, I had to zoom out to figure out what this was.

Just wanted to give you a big like ;)

Thanks

Hey Del,

I spent the last few days messing around with my mod order and I finally found my library folder where the config list is. It was apparently hidden and i had to make it visible. So, I was able to find the mod that caused the Red box X's. Its a mod called Spice Melange, it adds spice bushes to the biomes and it is not compatible with mods such as enhanced forestry or the Kudzu mods. Therefore, if one wants to play you'd have to decide which you're going to use. I disabled it as I like having more trees and etc. Now, i don't have any issues and I am using plant saver as well as your mod! I haven't answered the polls yet but I will as it seems that this will ultimately change the direction you're trying to go. Ill give it consideration and some feedback. Glad I could be apart of your journey.  ;D