Building a freezer in a jungle biome

Jonesh · February 22, 2015, 09:10:35 AM

As the topic says, I want to build a freezer (mostly to store corpses) but I am having a hard time actually keeping my freezer cold. I think I may have made it too big (a little smaller than 12x14), but adding additional freezers doesn't seem to help. I vent outside by default, but I also tried building a long corridor outside of the room(s) instead but it didn't seem to help, I tried having it both unroofed and roofed. I think I will barely be able to keep it refrigerated when the heat goes up, one of the rooms are hovering at about 1 celsius and it's only 23 celsius outside. I have an airlock to keep the temperature within as well.

How do you guys setup a freezer in a jungle (screenshots?) or do you just skip it?

EDIT: Oops, forgot to set the temperatures of the new freezers this time. Seems to be working now. Fingers crossed, but I'd still like too see how people set up their freezers and refrigerators!

Daemoneyes · February 22, 2015, 09:21:44 AM

For a room this big you need at least 2 cooler at 20 celsius and i would guess 4 or maybe even more at 40 if you do not insulate it at much as possible. Airlock, Autodoor and since the heat/cold trickles through walls it could help to create 1 wide room around it to help with insulation.

edit: also stagger the coolers by 1 degree, so fewer run at the same time but all will run if needed.

Panzer · February 22, 2015, 09:45:31 AM

Works for me, keep it at -5 C, havent had problems yet, the kitchen gets rather cold though, around 10 C.

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Rock5 · February 22, 2015, 09:51:16 AM

Well... I believe they rebalanced some things so I expect the coolers work better now. I just haven't used the latest version yet.

Tumuel · February 22, 2015, 12:13:49 PM

I find it very important to remember to only put one door on it, although in A9 the heat leaks through the walls now, you lose a lot of heat when people walk through it. Having one door means people only go in there when they need to get/put some thing out/in.

Silvador · February 22, 2015, 12:35:19 PM

I'm finding it difficult to maintain a steady temperature in my freezers. I don't know if it's because I'm just not using enough coolers or if it's because I'm playing in a hot biome. I tend to set my coolers to around -2 to -5 and even when no one is going in or out, I hover my cursor over the freezer and the temperature is really erratically jumping up and down anywhere between -5 to 5 (celsius, btw).

Also, Don't use wooden walls for freezers. Probably already known, but for those who don't know... I had a freezer with a wooden wall and was losing cold air through it. replaced it with a steel wall and noticed a significant difference.

Tynan · February 22, 2015, 01:15:03 PM

Actually wall type will be irrelevant to insulation.

But it does seem heat is being lost a bit too fast, I'm considering rebalancing this. Maybe for a hotfix (among some other things).

Vexare · February 22, 2015, 01:26:34 PM

Quote from: Tynan on February 22, 2015, 01:15:03 PM
Actually wall type will be irrelevant to insulation.

But it does seem heat is being lost a bit too fast, I'm considering rebalancing this. Maybe for a hotfix (among some other things).

Thank you!

I too am playing a jungle biome and having a difficult time keeping the freezer cold enough. In Panzer's screenshot, he has his 'vented' through a smaller opening and I'm not sure if that makes any difference or not (less bleed area?) ... I have my freezers vented directly to the outdoors and they seem to bleed like crazy. They are smaller than both freezers shown or described by other players but they DO have two doors which I think is where all the heat loss is happening. Hunters / growers bring food in one door and the cook takes it out the other side so those doors are always opening and closing. Should this be a problem I have to rethink design? Obviously heat waves make them operate harder, but even under normal heat / tropics weather in summer it's way too hot.

I have now put two freezers in each and it's staying colder but these are not big spaces (10x5) and I don't think they should require that much power consumption and freezer use.

Daemoneyes · February 22, 2015, 01:32:44 PM

Quote from: Tynan on February 22, 2015, 01:15:03 PM
Actually wall type will be irrelevant to insulation.

But it does seem heat is being lost a bit too fast, I'm considering rebalancing this. Maybe for a hotfix (among some other things).

While we are at that topic, is it possible to set different insulation for walls? Would love to create different wall types for a mod.
And also on topic, are you considering to introduce vents into base game?
Also maybe different types of cooling/heating sources, like the industrial heater/cooler from one of the mods?

cheerio

Tynan · February 22, 2015, 01:45:01 PM

It's possible to do insulation, I just didn't want to bite off the complexity.

As for vents, yes I want to introduce the ones that share temp between rooms. That industrial heating mod has some great ideas.

Daemoneyes · February 22, 2015, 01:56:41 PM

Quote from: Tynan on February 22, 2015, 01:45:01 PM
It's possible to do insulation, I just didn't want to bite off the complexity.

As for vents, yes I want to introduce the ones that share temp between rooms. That industrial heating mod has some great ideas.

Thanks for the answer.
What do you mean with bite off the complexity? Do you think it would then be to easy to heat/cool?

I was thinking about better insulated wall variants that need researching and require more & more costly materials.
Cheaper variants of them could include cotton as damping material which naturally would make the wall highly flamable.
Sort of risk/reward, cost/reward.

MsMeiriona · February 22, 2015, 02:17:45 PM

I was actually thinking about insulation last night. I'd love to see insulation as a research option.
And it's odd that different wall types don't change temperature dispersion. I'd think there would be a difference between them similar to the flammability rating.

Jonesh · February 22, 2015, 05:47:51 PM

This is how the freezer in question looks like now, I tried building the outer wall as insulation when I was experimenting with venting the coolers inside. That many coolers and not venting outside had the temperature at about -5 to -10 celsius when it was about 30 degrees outside. Opening up a roof tile made the coolers easily reach the target of -19 celsius in the same weather. Question is, does the wall help insulate now as well or is it just going to be decoration?

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Mussels · February 23, 2015, 12:47:50 AM

Quote from: Jonesh on February 22, 2015, 05:47:51 PM
This is how the freezer in question looks like now, I tried building the outer wall as insulation when I was experimenting with venting the coolers inside. That many coolers and not venting outside had the temperature at about -5 to -10 celsius when it was about 30 degrees outside. Opening up a roof tile made the coolers easily reach the target of -19 celsius in the same weather. Question is, does the wall help insulate now as well or is it just going to be decoration?

i always have my coolers in a 2x1 area with the roof open at the hot side, so they vent out. makes them work much more effectively.

Silvador · February 23, 2015, 01:18:42 AM

Can someone explain to me a little bit about this venting I've been hearing about? I'm a bit confused as to what it is being used for as some comments make me think one thing, while another is making me think of something else.

On one hand, some comments give an obvious and logical impression, creating an escape for the hot air generated by a cooler on the outside of the freezer, so that it doesn't build up.

And then there are comments that seem to imply... venting the freezer interior itself? Is this actually something people are doing or am I just reading those comments wrong because it seems to me that having a hole in my freezer roof would only serve to let the cold air out faster. There's enough heat escaping through the doors and walls...

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