Saving before hunting

[Boston]

You people apparently do not understand what "predation" means.

Predation does not mean a predator kills and eats a human being. Not just one, or even a bunch. Opportunistic hunting does not a predator-prey relationship make.

In order for species to have a predator-prey relationship, the predator species has to regularly eat the prey species.

So, no, a grizzly bear killing and eating a human does not mean the grizzly bear species preys on the human species. It just means the bear got an exceptionally-poor meal.

Humans and bears are both apex predators, in the sense that very little in the environment actually feeds on us, mostly detritovores and other scavengers once we are dead, and we both occupy the highest trophic levels, feeding on all other levels of the food web. The food web in the environments inhabited by both bears and humans are dependent on them.

But, yes, SpaceDorf, our place as the apex predator is a result of our ability to toolmaking abilities, communication skills, and socialization efforts, not because the average human could fistfight a lion and win.

[SpaceDorf]

You people apparently do not understand what "predation" means.

Predation does not mean a predator kills and eats a human being. Not just one, or even a bunch. Opportunistic hunting does not a predator-prey relationship make.

my excuse would be that english is not my native language .. I prefer not to play this card, but I think in this discussion the wording is important enough ...
So I admit .. humans are not a prey animal per definition but one of the physically weakest apex predators which in turn makes them a prey of opportunity.

Flight or Fight, Self Defense and Group Behavior is something that applies to all animals.

To wrap it up for Rimworld.
A single human, with only one layer of force multiplication ( weapon ) is able to bring down equal to slightly larger herbivores and should avoid other equally sized predators.
A herbivore that decides to fight is still able to hurt or even kill said lone human.
Only additional force multipliers ( armor, different weapons, more humans ) ensure the survival of the lone human.

It seems everything works as intended 

[Boston]

You people apparently do not understand what "predation" means.

Predation does not mean a predator kills and eats a human being. Not just one, or even a bunch. Opportunistic hunting does not a predator-prey relationship make.

my excuse would be that english is not my native language .. I prefer not to play this card, but I think in this discussion the wording is important enough ...
So I admit .. humans are not a prey animal per definition but one of the physically weakest apex predators which in turn makes them a prey of opportunity.

Flight or Fight, Self Defense and Group Behavior is something that applies to all animals.

To wrap it up for Rimworld.
A single human, with only one layer of force multiplication ( weapon ) is able to bring down equal to slightly larger herbivores and should avoid other equally sized predators.
A herbivore that decides to fight is still able to hurt or even kill said lone human.
Only additional force multipliers ( armor, different weapons, more humans ) ensure the survival of the lone human.

It seems everything works as intended 

Again, not really.

99.99999999% of all animals are flat-out terrified of humanity. Even big, bad bears will flee from humans. Generally, animals will only really attack humans 1) when they have no other options; cornered in a place with no escape, there is nothing else to eat, the human places themself near the animal and antagonizes it, or 2) the predator is old, and isn't capable of hunting its 'regular' prey.

Rimworld isn't a very good approximation of this. You can have humans literally wander through a deer herd, and go up to animals and pet/interact with them. Only in the latest alpha do animals react to pain and injury by fleeing the hunter. In all alphas before that, you could have a colonist shoot an animal all day, wounding it incessantly and the animal wouldn't react. On top of that, weapon damages and usage is so far out of whack, you can't really compare them to reality at all. In reality, a wooden club is a lethal weapon, very dangerous, capable of killing someone with a single swing.. In-game? the tool of choice for subduing a target without hurting them too much.

A general 'rule of thumb' is that a human with a weapon is 'worth' a mid-sized predator in combat capability, if not more. Give a human a spear and chances are they could kill a wolf without too much trouble.

[Snafu_RW]

99.99999999% of all animals are flat-out terrified of humanity. Even big, bad bears will flee from humans.

Because they've been hunted by humans, occasionally to extinction! (cf dodo, some pigeons, tigers, lions, leopards etc etc) .Before the Great Expansion ~1750-1920ad there were areas where animals would ignore humans (except for an occasional snack)

Generally, animals will only really attack humans 1) when they have no other options; cornered in a place with no escape, there is nothing else to eat, the human places themself near the animal and antagonizes it, or 2) the predator is old, and isn't capable of hunting its 'regular' prey.

Plus the animal defending its young (& occasionally being denied an easy (eg discarded fast food) food source - google seagull attacks or look at bears for example)

in reality, a wooden club is a lethal weapon, very dangerous, capable of killing someone with a single swing.. In-game? the tool of choice for subduing a target without hurting them too much.

In reality a /trained/ person could kill someone with a club, but in Rimworld they're unlikely to be trained, so they'll hit any body part at random. Occasionally this leads to deaths (I'd like a 'subdue' option for wardens, but..)

Give a human a spear and chances are they could kill a wolf without too much trouble.

Hah! Wolf (& dog) attacks are /fast!/ (have you ever seen a dog fight IRL? Not the illegal organised crap, but a couple of random dogs in the street/park/WHY..) Your pawn may get away with a knife for defence, but unless prepared melee attackers are likely to be downed fairly quickly. A spear (or other melee wep) does good dmg but takes too long to use when being (hah!) dogpiled, especially by small attackers (chickens, squirrels etc)

This leads to another thing: why can pawns only have one wep equipped? It would make sense that each pawn would carry & swap out ranged weps for basic melee (eg shiv, (light) club, knife; but not spear, sword or similar) for melee defence..