[1.0/1.1/1.2] Expanded Prosthetics and Organ Engineering 2.42 (27.08.2020)

[RafaelPz]

I have the mod completely to the Spanish, as step to contribute?

[Schwartz]

It'd be cool if the Silent Jaw could void the social penalty from the Annoying Voice trait.

[Ykara]

Didn't expect that so many people would take a look at the code! The explanation is actually pretty simple. Do you remember that bug from the previous versions, where the work left on an unfished prosthesis dropped to -1 and you could never finish it? I figured out it was because of the system the unfinished item uses. You can only make unfinished items with stuff, but items like beer (drugged rib), medicine (adrenaline rib), components (every bionic) and prostheses (advanced bionics) were no stuff. And that lead to that bug, so I made that workaround stuff category and put them all in it. And since nobody has complained about that bug since 1.6, I guess that fixed it. I hope that explained it

Can't it came from the fact you use abstract/parent classes without defining them at first?
Here UnfinishedBase is used but is not defined in your files/mod. (And I saw several cases in the code, not just for unfinished things

And it's in this bit (From Core):

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  <ThingDef Name="UnfinishedBase" Abstract="True">
    <thingClass>UnfinishedThing</thingClass>
    <category>Item</category>
    <label>unfinished thing</label>
    <graphicData>
      <texPath>Things/Item/Unfinished/UnfinishedSculpture</texPath>
      <graphicClass>Graphic_Single</graphicClass>
    </graphicData>
    <altitudeLayer>Item</altitudeLayer>
    <useHitPoints>true</useHitPoints>
    <isUnfinishedThing>true</isUnfinishedThing>
    <canMakeOnMapGen>false</canMakeOnMapGen>
    <selectable>true</selectable>
    <tradeability>Never</tradeability>
    <drawerType>RealtimeOnly</drawerType>
    <!-- For CompForbiddable -->
    <statBases>
      <MaxHitPoints>50</MaxHitPoints>
    </statBases>
    <comps>
      <li Class="CompProperties_Forbiddable"/>
    </comps>
    <alwaysHaulable>true</alwaysHaulable>
    <rotatable>false</rotatable>
    <pathCost>15</pathCost>
    <thingCategories>
      <li>Unfinished</li>
    </thingCategories>
    <stuffCategories>
      <li>Metallic</li>
      <li>Woody</li>
      <li>Stony</li>
    </stuffCategories>
  </ThingDef>

Notice <isUnfinishedThing>true</isUnfinishedThing> and <thingCategories><li>Unfinished</li></thingCategories> that are here (in the parent Abstract class) can't be inherited to your Unfinished prostheses. Maybe your problems/bugs came from this ?

More precise infos here : https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=19499.0

Anyway just my 2 cents, wasn't intended to be mean or telling you how you should do your thing. But I've never had the problem with my mods when using "Unfinished" game-mechanics (even with non stuff resources)

Keep up the good job

Thanks for pointing that out, I'm gonna take a look!

Basically as I stated, there's no need for vancidium as there is already a futuristic metal (Plasteel) so it's adding an unnecessary production chain.

The advanced components are ok but since they are only used by this mod they inclusion is dubious.

Thanks for the feedback!
Vancidium has been in this mod since the first release. I just needed a very expensive and hard to make metal, to balance the extremely strong advanced bionics (they were even stronger in previous releases). Advanced bionics are late game and pretty much just a cherry on the top, so I don't really mind having an "unnecessary" production chain, since advanced bionics are also quite unnecessary. To play and enjoy this mod you don't have to research and craft vancidium, but for the ones who'd like to, I think some extra content doesn't hurt.
But I'm always open for suggestions, how'd you replace vancidium without making advanced bionics too cheap?

It'd be cool if the Silent Jaw could void the social penalty from the Annoying Voice trait.

That makes sense, I'll see what I can do. Don't know if I can change social traits with a body part though.

I have the mod completely to the Spanish, as step to contribute?

That's great! Thank you very much! Just upload you translation somewhere and send me the link and I'm gonna include it in the next update! Of course you'll be given full credit!

[Lady Wolf]

Vancidium has been in this mod since the first release. I just needed a very expensive and hard to make metal, to balance the extremely strong advanced bionics (they were even stronger in previous releases). Advanced bionics are late game and pretty much just a cherry on the top, so I don't really mind having an "unnecessary" production chain, since advanced bionics are also quite unnecessary. To play and enjoy this mod you don't have to research and craft vancidium, but for the ones who'd like to, I think some extra content doesn't hurt.
But I'm always open for suggestions, how'd you replace vancidium without making advanced bionics too cheap?

Just thought I'd weigh in on this since you're looking for feedback and I've been loving this mod since A9 roughly.


In my experience the down side to vancidium is how incredibly expensive and tedious it is to produce in any great quantity compared to being able to just buy the advanced cybernetics from a tradeship. (For the cost & time of producing enough vancidium to build 1-2 high end pieces you can usually purchase 3 or more.)

What I did in my games was triple the amount of vancidium produced from each crafting order, this lowers the time and cost investment to make it more feasible to craft the bionics rather than buy them from traders. Another alternative one could do to remove the extra production chain without making it too easy to produce would be to remove vancidium entirely and just quadruple the "work" time it takes to craft the advanced bionics, and double or triple the plas steel cost.

Either way I thoroughly enjoy the mod, and I'm looking forward for the "A dog said" add-on to it so I can once again craft synthetic kidneys, livers, and other organs for my pups when needed.

[kaptain_kavern]

Either way I thoroughly enjoy the mod, and I'm looking forward for the "A dog said" add-on to it so I can once again craft synthetic kidneys, livers, and other organs for my pups when needed.

Hello Lady, Can you elaborate? Can ADogSaid Team be of any help? (maybe reply in ADogSaid thread)

[1000101]

Still on the subject of vancidium, with components added to the game and making advanced components from components + plasteel, you have your longer production chain for the advanced bionics.  This is what I did in my local copy having removed the vancidium.

True, vancidium was implemented before A13 when components were added but now you have possible alternative.

[Drusek]

Having vancidium enabled you can always kill that trading group that came to you having grand vancidium sculpture with them

[Fregrant]

Yeah, also you could see vancidium spears, knives, swords 

[Drusek]

Idea: ribs that affects sleep and joy in positive way. Like sleeping pills (better/faster sleep) and some drugs that rises joy like every few hours and lowers consciousness. (if that's possible)

[Schwartz]

I also don't tend to go beyond regular Bionics, but that's more of a self-imposed restriction for balance's sake than anything else. Firstly it'd be way too expensive to deploy the highest tier Bionics on a grand scale, and secondly it'd make my murder squad of 50 even more overpowered.

Don't think I've seen raider groups decked out in high-end Bionics either. So it's a fairly elegant solution for the player to either use the stuff or ignore it. Yeah, a 'baseline' EPOE that didn't include Vancidium or Advanced Components would be my preference, but it's just unnecessary work.

[Lady Wolf]

Hello Lady, Can you elaborate? Can ADogSaid Team be of any help? (maybe reply in ADogSaid thread)

I was referring to the post here https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=16000.msg225469#msg225469 by Fregrant, I wasn't sure if this or the ADS thread was the proper threat to post in given is uses both mods.

[kaptain_kavern]

Oh this is an old thread. The mod have been updated to A14 since and syntax1983 team had made a compatibilty patch too (https://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=22282.msg242025#msg242025)

[Fregrant]

Yes, this is a quite confusing, I really wish to see moderators moving all these necro-threads to the Outdated section.

[Vastrix]

Feature Request

When your conolinist has advanced everything and upgraded everything there is to upgrade, I think i'd be cool
to change his appearance from human to Terminator/android, with a few extra buffs like: "this colonist can never die".

Q: Why?
A: Well, this will give the player something to work towards to. It'll also just require the player to look at the colonist in order to see how advanced he is "oh he's an android already, ok no more work there"

cheers,

[123nick]

when using this with a dog said, i should use this mod,  a dog said  (workshop link):

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=730360526&searchtext=EPOE

and a dog said-epoe workbenches ? :

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=732515888&searchtext=EPOE

however, this still allows me to craft animal prosthetics at the machining table, so i might want to use a dog said, no crafting, by spoon shortage, seeable here: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=734709234&searchtext=EPOE