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Jaxxa

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Steam workshop discussion
« on: July 01, 2015, 08:17:01 PM »

By now you have all probably read the announcement of the steam release and workshop integration.
http://ludeon.com/blog/2015/07/on-the-upcoming-steam-release/

What does everyone else think about it?
I know with the Skyrim mods for a lot of people the Steam Workshop never really replaced the Nexus.

But Rimworld mainly is just using the forums to support and find mods which isn't ideal, leading to treads and lists and of mods (greate work to those guys), but that just puts the pressure all on one person to keep it updated.

I think that because of this reason the workshop has the potential to become the primary place to find and download mods for Rimworld.

The only issues that I can think of is getting mods for the DRM free version and dealing with the ordering in the mod management screen.
I have an idea to fix the mod manager here: http://ludeon.com/forums/index.php?topic=14239.0

Effect do you think that Workshop and official release will have on mods?

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Re: Steam workshop discussion
« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2015, 08:38:03 PM »

Honestly i think workshop will cause a fair few issues with people simply taking a mod from someone and re labeling it as can be seen in other games on the workshop. As-well as effectively killing the modding sections of this forum. Despite that though, it would make the distribution of mods easier, but also bringing in some of the issues that steam workshop has when it comes to not downloading or updating mods subscribed too.
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Re: Steam workshop discussion
« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2015, 02:35:42 AM »

That is a good point, If it is automatically updating everyone's mods then each time an update is released that will break a save it will automatically stop everyone's game rather than giving them option wait until they want to start a new game.

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Re: Steam workshop discussion
« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2015, 03:28:30 AM »

My mods will always be available from github at least. I do all my dev work with a proper repo behind it so its no extra work for me to bundle a new release on github when im don deving for the day. The moment there is even a whiff of people doing the rebadging thingy it will back up my fears that the steam workshop is a convenient but somewhat shitty thing.
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Re: Steam workshop discussion
« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2015, 07:21:33 AM »

No, just no. I would prefer shooting myself in my own leg before I would touch the Workshop. Why? Because Steam has still no idea what they are doing with it! (Shown by paid Skyrim mods where the maker only got 25% of the money). But more important, the Workshop is most of the time overrun by idiots, morons, people who cant or wont read, people who can and do read, but still decide to ignore it and people who just have no idea and flame or downvote your mods for fun.

BUT that isnt the main problem. I quite often balance mods I download myself so Steam re-downloading them when the author releases an update is a no go. And as it is shown by the nexus already, many people dont even bother telling you which version of RimWorld the mod works with!

I know with the Skyrim mods for a lot of people the Steam Workshop never really replaced the Nexus.

Of course it hasnt! Because the workshop is a mess!

I think that because of this reason the workshop has the potential to become the primary place to find and download mods for Rimworld.

Never. Let. That. Happen. Go to the nexus, upload your mods there stay with the forum mod page! It works quite good so far!

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Re: Steam workshop discussion
« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2015, 02:33:11 PM »

I will never use the Workshop for my mods, because:

1) It runs through Steam malware with all the massive disadvantages that brings.
2) It automatically updates mods, breaking save games and user-made adjustments in the process.
3) Sometimes it doesn't want to work and you are left with no option for a manual install, since it is entirely dependent on the malware.

He who trades manual control of installations for the promise of convenience deserves neither.
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Re: Steam workshop discussion
« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2015, 03:09:48 PM »

RimWorld will use mods whether they're from the Workshop or not. If you do not want to not update a particular mod, it's as simple as navigating to your mods folder and wiping one file in the About folder for the particular mod. Then it will be treated as though it is not a Workshop file. Well, in theory. The RimWorld Workshop isn't open to mods at the moment.

Basically, the process by which a game refreshes its own mod list is entirely dependant on the game's developer. Skyrim, for example, does auto-update mods when you use the launcher. Just because Steam auto-downloads new versions of mods though, doesn't mean a game has to use the newest version.

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Re: Steam workshop discussion
« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2015, 03:14:26 PM »

That seems like an awfully complicated and involved process for something that can be achieved by just not using the Workshop.
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Re: Steam workshop discussion
« Reply #8 on: July 02, 2015, 05:42:23 PM »

Cases like Cities skylines make me think the steam workshop can work. Workshop tends to work well for smaller compartmentalized mods; things like gun mods, faction mods, biome mods, storyteller mods etc. Generally anything that's an additive mod. But, huge gameplay overhauls are gonna stomp all over each other and break everything as the chances of a player using only 1 mod in a workshop setting is pretty low.

So, obviously there's going to be problems with some jackass downloading 120 mods and wondering why their game keeps crashing or claiming X mod doesn't work. But fuck that guy.

I'm all for Steam workshop support. I doubt workshop will ruin the game or at the least my game. If anything it will generally improve the modding environment; making distribution and integration a little easier for the end user.
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Re: Steam workshop discussion
« Reply #9 on: July 02, 2015, 05:47:43 PM »

That seems like an awfully complicated and involved process for something that can be achieved by just not using the Workshop.

Well, yeah. The way I figure though, people who prefer the Workshop are going to use that above anything else. For people who don't mind a bit of manual installation for a bit more sanity, I can point them at the Dropbox links or the Nexus.

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Re: Steam workshop discussion
« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2015, 04:43:08 AM »

I love steam workshop for the ease of mod management. Unfortunately I have bought the game a month to late therefore my questions.

How will steam workshop functionality be adjusted for those who bought the game to late to get the steam-key? Will you run additional servers that copy all workshop content and provide for those players? Is there other way (ie. adding as non steam game) to get access to workshop mods?
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Re: Steam workshop discussion
« Reply #11 on: August 25, 2015, 04:30:43 PM »

Personally I have never used the Workshop and turn Steam off when it's not actively being used simply because it has the annoying habit of updating when it's told not to.  Steam itself seems to spend more time updating itself than anything else it does.

My release medium of choice is either Nexus (for Elderscrolls/Fallout) or the games forum.  Somethings I may use github (CCL) but that's it about it.

Mods I plan on altering I to do "post patches" for, unless I need to change something fundamental about the mod itself, so that a mod update doesn't undo my changes.
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Re: Steam workshop discussion
« Reply #12 on: July 02, 2016, 01:58:36 PM »

Steam Workshops have their limitations but they are a very convenient way to discover and install mods.
However, without oversight it can devolve into a place full of stolen mods (see the Workshop for Banished) or confusing mess of tags.

Ludeon devs/community managers, if you use Steam Workshop, please consider setting up mod tags ahead of time and using moderators to delete stolen mods.
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Re: Steam workshop discussion
« Reply #13 on: July 02, 2016, 02:28:14 PM »

Personally I would not favor a "Steam Workshop only" enviroment for RimWorld mods as this would place mods behind a "paywall" having to purchase RimWorld a second time if they have purchased a DRM free version after November 4th 2014, since afaik you cannot get SW mods without owning the game (on Steam) the mods are intended for (ignoring any shady option).

Having your mod/modpack on the SW as an addition to having it on the forum I see absolutely no problem with, although I'd recommend linking to the forum/git page in the SW info of your mod.

And lastly I think that having your mod solely on the SW would exclude a numerous amount of users thus possibly impacting the popularity if not troubleshooting of your mod. It can also create a divide between the 2 user-bases (forum vs steam) and cause more stolen/unauthorized use of modders content.
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