what do i do if i know someone who pireted the game

kubolek01 · October 20, 2017, 10:46:43 AM

Just kick his ass til he give you 30$, then send it to Ludeon. And you will be partly legit with that man.

Bozobub · October 20, 2017, 11:54:39 AM

...And then you will have a nice visit to the crowbar hotel.

Seriously, folks, assaulting someone for a civil offense (IP violation) is not even remotely OK.

CannibarRechter · October 20, 2017, 02:07:55 PM

> Seriously, folks, assaulting someone for a civil offense

You must have taken serious offense to my recommendation to kill him, eat him, and convert him to a duster and a cowboy hat. ;-P

Bozobub · October 20, 2017, 03:03:50 PM

Your suggestion was obviously an attempt at humor =).

I felt it necessary to say something, before I heard the baying of hounds. Let it go, people...

sarke · October 20, 2017, 03:56:46 PM

https://reporting.bsa.org/r/report/add.aspx is what you are looking for.

Kizitk · October 20, 2017, 05:18:51 PM

i don't think you should bother, maybe he don't have that much money to spend or he wanted to test the game before buying,
i played rimworld on a friend's house, and i liked the game, i went home and looked at the price, here on Brazil the game costs R$ 56, which is pretty expensive for a indie game, it's almost a triple A game, even that i've managed to buy it with discount it was still expensive, so i think you shouldn't care that much for someone that got the game for free, not everyone can buy things.

cultist · October 20, 2017, 07:37:01 PM

Piracy is a fact of life if you're in the software industry. Most people pirate because they don't have the money, just like people steal food if they can't affford to buy it. Don't worry about it. Ludeon has made a lot of money on Rimworld already.

erdrik · October 20, 2017, 07:58:27 PM

Quote from: Hierophant on October 20, 2017, 06:59:20 AM
Snitches get stitches

And blindly loyal dogs invite corruption and lies.

One harms the snitch, the other harms literally everyone else.

SirDerpface · October 22, 2017, 07:25:03 AM

Don't do anything! Piracy doesn't really harm the software industry as a pirate wouldn't buy the game anyways. It could however inspire the pirate to buy the game! Some say piracy is stealing, but it's really like stealing food from someone with a magic food source that is literally infinite.

RemingtonRyder · October 22, 2017, 08:54:54 AM

There's a balanced discussion of piracy in this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfZv_lPwBFI

Limdood · October 22, 2017, 12:43:03 PM

Quote from: Kizitk on October 20, 2017, 05:18:51 PM
i don't think you should bother, maybe he don't have that much money to spend or he wanted to test the game before buying,
i played rimworld on a friend's house, and i liked the game, i went home and looked at the price, here on Brazil the game costs R$ 56, which is pretty expensive for a indie game, it's almost a triple A game, even that i've managed to buy it with discount it was still expensive, so i think you shouldn't care that much for someone that got the game for free, not everyone can buy things.

JUST @ the quoted poster, not about this thread in general:
this isn't an excuse. I can't buy a nice car. It does not justify me stealing one. Can't afford it, you don't get it.

Bozobub · October 22, 2017, 02:30:45 PM

Once again, even in the US, which has pretty nasty IP laws, IP "piracy" is a civil violation (tort law), stealing a car is a felony (in this case, state criminal law, unless you cross state lines, which would make it federal). They are NOT analogous, not even close, unless you go on to try to *sell what you pirated*, which is fraud (a felony). They aren't even tried in the same court systems! Nor can you be confined via a civil court decision, except for those involving involuntary committal to a mental institution and cases involving contempt of court.

If you want to suppress piracy — a goal I actually support, overall — a good start is to not mislabel it and end up tilting at windmills forevermore =p. No, piracy *is not* "theft"; if I steal your car, you simply don't have the original any more. If you start with a false assumption, any argument you build from it will fall to sand at the slightest touch of logic.

It's like this:
- Is it OK to pirate RimWorld, or in fact any other software? Generally not, except when necessary to save lives (poor hospitals, for example).

- Is it a huge deal to the software companies? - That actually varies. For small developers, it's often a HUGE burden. For large devs, however, it's more or less free advertising to their most avid fanbase. The real deal is that pirates are also the largest consumers of PAID content online (many more links easily available), so it's not necessarily a zero-sum game, unlike how the situation is usually presented to the public ^^' .

- Rabid exhortations to violence on the interwebs have a nasty tendency to be carried out, in some form or another. I am NOT a fan, even in jest. More than one of my friends (both male and female) has been "cyberstalked" in the past year by self-appointed groups of "net vigilantes"; f*ck that shit, especially since it was over bullshit every time!

Seriously Unserious · October 22, 2017, 03:29:30 PM

Quote from: Bozobub on October 22, 2017, 02:30:45 PM
Once again, even in the US, which has pretty nasty IP laws, IP "piracy" is a civil violation (tort law), stealing a car is a felony (in this case, state criminal law, unless you cross state lines, which would make it federal). They are NOT analogous, not even close, unless you go on to try to *sell what you pirated*, which is fraud (a felony). They aren't even tried in the same court systems! Nor can you be confined via a civil court decision, except for those involving involuntary committal to a mental institution and cases involving contempt of court.

IMO you're making an argument of semantics there. Is IP theft technically the criminal offence defined in most countries official Codes of Laws? No. In most cases it does technically fall under a different crime, but it still is a crime. Both are crimes, and incidentally, both are also highly unethical and the sort of things people do when they refuse or are unable to distinguish between right and wrong.

Regardless of what label a person puts to software piracy, it's still morally, legally and ethically wrong and the semantics of the word choices in no way invalidates the point that just because you can't afford something does not give you the right to take it without informed consent. Regardless of whether the thing was taken by theft, or deceit and would be technically defined as Theft, or Fraud, is beside the point here.

IMO Limdood point is well taken and very valid. What label is applied to the crime does not matter. So what if the person got something wrongly by stealing it (theft), cheating (fraud) to get it, or bought it legally with stolen goods (stole money from someone else and used it to buy the game for example). All are still wrong and also valid points of comparison.

Bozobub · October 22, 2017, 04:48:13 PM

It's not "semantics"; it's the literal definitions of the laws involved. No, IP violations are not theft. Period. Mislabeling them as such has accomplished what, exactly..? What has the RIAA/MPAA achieved, for example, by attempting this same false equivalency?

I have repeatedly agreed that yes, "piracy" is wrong; it's amoral at best, in most situations. That doesn't change the simple fact that your chosen tactic immediately falls flat on its face. IT'S NOT WORKING. That's not surprising; building your case on a logical fallacy tends to have that consequence (yes, Der Orangenführer is a noxious exception to this rule, along with his compatriots *shrug*).

If you really want to fight IP violations, don't shoot yourself in the foot; it's counterproductive. If you give someone the key to dismantling your entire argument immediately as you define it, you're probably going to lose that debate, right? Yes, words matter, most especially when referring to the law and legal consequences.

Seriously Unserious · October 22, 2017, 05:06:58 PM

You're not wrong, but all I was saying is context matters, and the post you replied to on that was not saying software piracy is theft, but that the excuse of "i had to do it because I didn't have the money to buy it" is a fallacy and using the example of stealing a car to show the fallacy of the "too poor to buy" excuse.

BTW, Semantics is exactly what your argument was based on. Semantics is defined as the use and meanings of words, and your argument was based primarily on the choice and meaning of the word "theft" being correct or not.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/semantics

still, we do seem to agree that using another's IP without permission is wrong.