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kinda boring watching everything run itself on the fast speed....do you guys just quit and restart or keep playing late game?
Open dev console, run volcano winter, cold snap, toxic fallout and 5 8000point mech raids...
Quote from: TheGentlmen (GENT) on September 26, 2015, 07:01:44 PM
Open dev console, run volcano winter, cold snap, toxic fallout and 5 8000point mech raids...
To anyone who wants to try this, do NOT spawn a raid that the game tells you cannot be spawn. I borked a game I'd been running since a11b by spawning a bunch of mechanoids on siege. Because mechanoids can't siege, even after I killed them all their AU kept looping and lagging the game.
Quote from: NuclearStudent on September 26, 2015, 08:12:00 PM
Quote from: TheGentlmen (GENT) on September 26, 2015, 07:01:44 PM
Open dev console, run volcano winter, cold snap, toxic fallout and 5 8000point mech raids...
To anyone who wants to try this, do NOT spawn a raid that the game tells you cannot be spawn. I borked a game I'd been running since a11b by spawning a bunch of mechanoids on siege. Because mechanoids can't siege, even after I killed them all their AU kept looping and lagging the game.
Never happened to me... Thier's many times I unnocingly spawned sieghing mechs and the games performed just fine!
You could always do what I'm doing in the base design thread and try building random crap to see how it works out. I was surprised at how good things actually turned out.
start writing wiki...since I started helping with the edit...haven't touch the game for over a week o_O
or start moding can confirm game play time goes down alot
Quote from: blaze7736 on September 27, 2015, 05:12:30 AM
or start moding can confirm game play time goes down alot
Dat true... no game that i've been able to finish so far... makes balancing hard, ya know...
Feel sad for the bigger mods, who have lategame stuff... tons of lategame stuff who never ever get to balance them...
what are some late game mods? i seriously love the first parts of the game but it just gets so damn boring end-game :(
Quote from: mc858 on October 19, 2015, 09:57:58 PM
what are some late game mods? i seriously love the first parts of the game but it just gets so damn boring end-game :(
Things like stargate are lategame too me... since I barly ever reach them...
Like it would be all fine and dandy to make it work, but balancing prices would actually require you going and starting a playthro which doesn't fail within 2 weeks.
Edit: Look at HCSK, UOM (if you have a copy) and most likely TheGentlePack when it releases. The early game are semi-balancd (for the most part, looking at you HCSK :) ) but the longer you go in the more it falls apart.
Download "Clutter."
I have no idea how many hours I've spend designing stylish living rooms and agonizing over where to place the chairs and tables to make a free-flowing area. It's great!
I play vanilla and I often get bored too. Usually go for spaceship if it seems within reach but otherwise I just start over.
I suppose you could increase the difficulty, might make it more interesting.
increasing the difficulty only increases the size of the raids, and lowers the trading prices.
There is no late game in rimworld, there is barely a middle game at present time. Even UOM which is gone did not have a late game, only made the start more difficult so it took longer to get to the middle game, where the colony runs itself.
Hardcore does the same thing, makes the start difficult, adds a bunch of useless supply chains, that are not balanced in any way, and has nothing else to offer...
Mods are not going to solve the mid and late game, as that just does not exist in the core game... Not enough events, interactions with other factions, raids that are actual pirate raids, that are not attempting to kill you, just steal whatever they can.
For me when I reach the point where the colony is running on its own, and all I have to do is click on an envelope every few days, it is a successful colony... And that colony gets to live on in cyberspace, and memory, out on the rim... no ugly space ship launch, no dev tool in destruction, let them live in the rim world far from interference from any storyteller.
In other words, I stop playing that colony, and start a new one... with different mods added in.
Quote from: TLHeart on October 20, 2015, 02:48:18 PM
increasing the difficulty only increases the size of the raids, and lowers the trading prices.
There is no late game in rimworld, there is barely a middle game at present time. Even UOM which is gone did not have a late game, only made the start more difficult so it took longer to get to the middle game, where the colony runs itself.
Hardcore does the same thing, makes the start difficult, adds a bunch of useless supply chains, that are not balanced in any way, and has nothing else to offer...
Mods are not going to solve the mid and late game, as that just does not exist in the core game... Not enough events, interactions with other factions, raids that are actual pirate raids, that are not attempting to kill you, just steal whatever they can.
For me when I reach the point where the colony is running on its own, and all I have to do is click on an envelope every few days, it is a successful colony... And that colony gets to live on in cyberspace, and memory, out on the rim... no ugly space ship launch, no dev tool in destruction, let them live in the rim world far from interference from any storyteller.
In other words, I stop playing that colony, and start a new one... with different mods added in.
ya i basically do what you do...i quit once everything seems fine and just start a new game. Kinda getting tired of doing that lol- but i have a good rotation between this game, Dwarf Fortress (which i have the same late game prob with TBH), Gnomoria,Prison Architect and Project Zomboid or my PS4. I wish there were more quality games like this - i cant get enough
Set yourself a long term goal. Raise an army of Rhino's or create legendary large gold sculpture to adorn the entrance way to your colony (think Colossus of Rhodes).
How do u run project zomboid. Looks great, but runs on my pc at like 5 fps, whereas i can run rimworld, prison architect and shogun total war 2 just fine. Even lowest graphics settings dont help
Quote from: killer117 on October 21, 2015, 07:42:24 AM
How do u run project zomboid. Looks great, but runs on my pc at like 5 fps, whereas i can run rimworld, prison architect and shogun total war 2 just fine. Even lowest graphics settings dont help
it actually runs fine- the issue is that they added SO MANY more zombies to the maps- it can get pretty crazy when there are a few hundred zombies (downtown for example) - but usually those situations end in death anyway
its really going to be an excellent game when its released- the next big update should be out soon btw----oh - there is also a really cool map of The Walking Dead prison- its so detailed- and if you are a fan of the show you will love it
As for the other games , i want to mention Prison Architect that uses the same game engine as Rimworld slows to a crawl when you have over 500 prisoners (because it runs on one core like most games in the genre) - so i tend to keep my prisons below that population limit- and its still a blast to play. Hopefully they optimize it soon though lol- i want to get the 1k prisoner achievment
Quote from: mc858 on October 21, 2015, 06:44:14 PM
Quote from: killer117 on October 21, 2015, 07:42:24 AM
How do u run project zomboid. Looks great, but runs on my pc at like 5 fps, whereas i can run rimworld, prison architect and shogun total war 2 just fine. Even lowest graphics settings dont help
it actually runs fine- the issue is that they added SO MANY more zombies to the maps- it can get pretty crazy when there are a few hundred zombies (downtown for example) - but usually those situations end in death anyway
its really going to be an excellent game when its released- the next big update should be out soon btw----oh - there is also a really cool map of The Walking Dead prison- its so detailed- and if you are a fan of the show you will love it
As for the other games , i want to mention Prison Architect that uses the same game engine as Rimworld slows to a crawl when you have over 500 prisoners (because it runs on one core like most games in the genre) - so i tend to keep my prisons below that population limit- and its still a blast to play. Hopefully they optimize it soon though lol- i want to get the 1k prisoner achievment
PA uses a seperate engine.
Rimworld uses Unity, PA uses a custom engine that the guys at Introversion made.
Quote from: TheGentlmen (GENT) on October 21, 2015, 07:51:02 PM
Quote from: mc858 on October 21, 2015, 06:44:14 PM
Quote from: killer117 on October 21, 2015, 07:42:24 AM
How do u run project zomboid. Looks great, but runs on my pc at like 5 fps, whereas i can run rimworld, prison architect and shogun total war 2 just fine. Even lowest graphics settings dont help
it actually runs fine- the issue is that they added SO MANY more zombies to the maps- it can get pretty crazy when there are a few hundred zombies (downtown for example) - but usually those situations end in death anyway
its really going to be an excellent game when its released- the next big update should be out soon btw----oh - there is also a really cool map of The Walking Dead prison- its so detailed- and if you are a fan of the show you will love it
As for the other games , i want to mention Prison Architect that uses the same game engine as Rimworld slows to a crawl when you have over 500 prisoners (because it runs on one core like most games in the genre) - so i tend to keep my prisons below that population limit- and its still a blast to play. Hopefully they optimize it soon though lol- i want to get the 1k prisoner achievment
PA uses a seperate engine.
Rimworld uses Unity, PA uses a custom engine that the guys at Introversion made.
Ah, i see. Thanks for the clarification
so are there any other games you would recommend like the ones i mentioned? You seem pretty knowledgable about this genre!
Quote from: mc858 on October 21, 2015, 07:59:56 PM
Quote from: TheGentlmen (GENT) on October 21, 2015, 07:51:02 PM
Quote from: mc858 on October 21, 2015, 06:44:14 PM
Quote from: killer117 on October 21, 2015, 07:42:24 AM
How do u run project zomboid. Looks great, but runs on my pc at like 5 fps, whereas i can run rimworld, prison architect and shogun total war 2 just fine. Even lowest graphics settings dont help
it actually runs fine- the issue is that they added SO MANY more zombies to the maps- it can get pretty crazy when there are a few hundred zombies (downtown for example) - but usually those situations end in death anyway
its really going to be an excellent game when its released- the next big update should be out soon btw----oh - there is also a really cool map of The Walking Dead prison- its so detailed- and if you are a fan of the show you will love it
As for the other games , i want to mention Prison Architect that uses the same game engine as Rimworld slows to a crawl when you have over 500 prisoners (because it runs on one core like most games in the genre) - so i tend to keep my prisons below that population limit- and its still a blast to play. Hopefully they optimize it soon though lol- i want to get the 1k prisoner achievment
PA uses a seperate engine.
Rimworld uses Unity, PA uses a custom engine that the guys at Introversion made.
Ah, i see. Thanks for the clarification
so are there any other games you would recommend like the ones i mentioned? You seem pretty knowledgable about this genre!
Not really knowledgeable about this genre, I just happened to remember reading about PA being made in its own custom engine.
As for similiar games:
-Dwarf Fortress - Could never get into
-Craft The World - Blits had a lets play of it, seems interesting.
-PlanetBase - Just released. Steams been crap and won't let me purchase anything, and it only released on steam so I havn't gotten a chance to play it.
-Gnomoria - Heard of it, never tried it.
-The Powder Toy - Not exactly part of this genre. Its a free Particle Simulator which is interesting to mess with. Kinda like Falling Sand Advanced.
Quote from: TheGentlmen (GENT) on October 21, 2015, 08:13:33 PM
Quote from: mc858 on October 21, 2015, 07:59:56 PM
Quote from: TheGentlmen (GENT) on October 21, 2015, 07:51:02 PM
Quote from: mc858 on October 21, 2015, 06:44:14 PM
Quote from: killer117 on October 21, 2015, 07:42:24 AM
How do u run project zomboid. Looks great, but runs on my pc at like 5 fps, whereas i can run rimworld, prison architect and shogun total war 2 just fine. Even lowest graphics settings dont help
it actually runs fine- the issue is that they added SO MANY more zombies to the maps- it can get pretty crazy when there are a few hundred zombies (downtown for example) - but usually those situations end in death anyway
its really going to be an excellent game when its released- the next big update should be out soon btw----oh - there is also a really cool map of The Walking Dead prison- its so detailed- and if you are a fan of the show you will love it
As for the other games , i want to mention Prison Architect that uses the same game engine as Rimworld slows to a crawl when you have over 500 prisoners (because it runs on one core like most games in the genre) - so i tend to keep my prisons below that population limit- and its still a blast to play. Hopefully they optimize it soon though lol- i want to get the 1k prisoner achievment
PA uses a seperate engine.
Rimworld uses Unity, PA uses a custom engine that the guys at Introversion made.
Ah, i see. Thanks for the clarification
so are there any other games you would recommend like the ones i mentioned? You seem pretty knowledgable about this genre!
Not really knowledgeable about this genre, I just happened to remember reading about PA being made in its own custom engine.
As for similiar games:
-Dwarf Fortress - Could never get into
-Craft The World - Blits had a lets play of it, seems interesting.
-PlanetBase - Just released. Steams been crap and won't let me purchase anything, and it only released on steam so I havn't gotten a chance to play it.
-Gnomoria - Heard of it, never tried it.
-The Powder Toy - Not exactly part of this genre. Its a free Particle Simulator which is interesting to mess with. Kinda like Falling Sand Advanced.
awesom- ill look into some of those like PlanetBase and Craft the World
you should really try Gnomoria- its awesome once you get the hang of it- and the battles are a little bit more exciting - it also has Z levels so you can dig deep and find new enemies and types of ore to craft stronger weapons/etc with.
thanks again
Quote from: Listy on October 21, 2015, 02:44:42 AM
Set yourself a long term goal. Raise an army of Rhino's or create legendary large gold sculpture to adorn the entrance way to your colony (think Colossus of Rhodes).
Yeah... That's exactly what Rimworld is about. Without setting yourself long term goal game don't have one.
Boooooriiiiiiingggggg.
And when i'm on late game i spawn a lot of raids to see how long can i survive ;d
Early game is probably the best part of the game for me. Late game where everything is pretty much set up is a bit boring. None of my successful colonies really get ended by raids, It's mostly from transitioning into the latest Alpha.
Quote from: A Friend on October 22, 2015, 08:05:26 AM
Early game is probably the best part of the game for me. Late game where everything is pretty much set up is a bit boring. None of my successful colonies really get ended by raids, It's mostly from transitioning into the latest Alpha.
100% agree
I actually have never lost a colony before. I used dev mode on a few, but even the ones i didnt never have died, and while some have come close, ive only resorted to canabilism once, even though i play almost entirely on ice sheet, with randy randdom on challange, but the only colonies ive ever had die have been by throwing dev mode at them
Quote from: A Friend on October 22, 2015, 08:05:26 AM
Early game is probably the best part of the game for me. Late game where everything is pretty much set up is a bit boring. None of my successful colonies really get ended by raids, It's mostly from transitioning into the latest Alpha.
One late game challenge I keep finding is PC power Vs man Power Vs needs to keep everyone fed Vs Hauling Vs size of the raids.
Quite simply put I feel like I'm barely scraping by on food, as there's so much work to be done. But increasing the manpower is an issue. As at the moment I'm 10 years in with ~40 colonists. I had to buy off the Tribals as the numbers during raids were getting silly. Even the pirate raids are getting a bit bonkers.
Quote from: Listy on October 24, 2015, 02:26:56 AM
Quote from: A Friend on October 22, 2015, 08:05:26 AM
Early game is probably the best part of the game for me. Late game where everything is pretty much set up is a bit boring. None of my successful colonies really get ended by raids, It's mostly from transitioning into the latest Alpha.
One late game challenge I keep finding is PC power Vs man Power Vs needs to keep everyone fed Vs Hauling Vs size of the raids.
Quite simply put I feel like I'm barely scraping by on food, as there's so much work to be done. But increasing the manpower is an issue. As at the moment I'm 10 years in with ~40 colonists. I had to buy off the Tribals as the numbers during raids were getting silly. Even the pirate raids are getting a bit bonkers.
This is my main "problem" with how raids work. Where are these groups getting the manpower to be able to throw numbers like that at you? And, it isn't even like they are only suffering a few losses, with most of their fighters getting wounded. I've killed every tribal warrior in a massive raid before, only to get raided again by an equally-large group a couple of weeks later....
Plus, you would think they would ..... learn their lesson?, after a couple of failed raids.
"hey, we are gonna go hit that offworlder colony. They've got so much nice stuff!"
-" you mean, that offworld colony where, whenever someone raids them,
everyone dies? Yeah, no, staying alive sounds nice"
Yeah, exactly.
"Hey! New people! We should raid them with our most old guy with a broken shiv!"
*first raid*
"Fuck! We will sent three old guys!"
"Fuck! We will throw five guys in there!"
"Fuck! We will throw eigth guys in there!"
"Fuck! We will..... What Steve?! You mean we should throw hundred people in there!? It's madness! You hear me!? ITS MADNESS! We will sent ten guys there!"
"Fuck!"
AI logic ;d
Hopefully the raid issue would get sorted out somehow when factions get fleshed out more and more faction-based events are added.
Difficulty to the max!
The way I play it, no. I tweaked difficulty so the raids are twice as hard as usual on hardest difficulty. Then as the game goes on I generate huge amounts of colony wealth through art and crafting and get massive raids, 200+ sappers, 200+ mechs. End game ends up being the most enjoyable part because with randy I sometimes get a chain of absolutely deadly raids that leave me wondering if I'll make it or not.
Quote from: Vault101 on November 03, 2015, 06:18:36 PM
The way I play it, no. I tweaked difficulty so the raids are twice as hard as usual on hardest difficulty. Then as the game goes on I generate huge amounts of colony wealth through art and crafting and get massive raids, 200+ sappers, 200+ mechs. End game ends up being the most enjoyable part because with randy I sometimes get a chain of absolutely deadly raids that leave me wondering if I'll make it or not.
When you say "hard" you mean 2x more people in every raid?
This kind of difficulty is really boring. And after some time my game would lag anyway.... So it's not the rigth way to make game more enjoyable.
Quote from: Adamiks on November 04, 2015, 10:01:12 AM
Quote from: Vault101 on November 03, 2015, 06:18:36 PM
The way I play it, no. I tweaked difficulty so the raids are twice as hard as usual on hardest difficulty. Then as the game goes on I generate huge amounts of colony wealth through art and crafting and get massive raids, 200+ sappers, 200+ mechs. End game ends up being the most enjoyable part because with randy I sometimes get a chain of absolutely deadly raids that leave me wondering if I'll make it or not.
When you say "hard" you mean 2x more people in every raid?
This kind of difficulty is really boring. And after some time my game would lag anyway.... So it's not the rigth way to make game more enjoyable.
My game doesn't lag at all on normal speed (it gets laggy if I do 3x speed while the massive raid is running TO my base but that's so minor and it's irrelevant to the fun part which is the battle itself when there is no lag).
the dev should add super monsters like in Dwarf Fortress....forget large raids or annoying mechs- give us rare beasts that attack. AND Z LEVELS PLEASE! =)
If late game is boring, just make the early game harder so you never get to the boring part. :)
The game is, at most, half finished. Even then, the half we have is in need of polish in a lot of places. Most everyone has noticed the suicidal AI and the redundant raiding tactics that never change. Mechs? Raiders? Po-tay-to, po-tah-to. They die or you die. Rinse and repeat.
Personally I stopped playing Rimworld a month or two ago. Someone here said it perfectly: all the mods do, which are the biggest bit of variety we have access to, are just different ways to play the start or cutesy little endgame pieces that no one ever uses because Raider/Robot Slaughter Simulator gets too old too fast. Everything just changes the early game.
And now I check back every so often looking for news from the dev. When there is none, I go off to play something else.
It's half a game, people. I think it's high time we remember that and act appropriately with our time if we are dissatisfied.
Quote from: mc858 on November 16, 2015, 07:11:48 PM
the dev should add super monsters like in Dwarf Fortress....forget large raids or annoying mechs- give us rare beasts that attack. AND Z LEVELS PLEASE! =)
I was thinking the same thing. (Very Rare cookie monster) Like an alien monster the size of a thrumbo and twice the strength and has the ability to dig / tunnel. Give it a chocolate sense and it's main goal is to get to your store rooms and consume it all. Anything gets in it's way pretty much spells disaster. You could do the same with beer or large stockpiles of food. Most animals have heightened sense of smell and well there alien ;) .
But yeah there needs to be some form of animal event that requires everyone to attack or avoid it until it leaves after awhile (man hunter packs is a good step in the right direction. It does need to be balanced though aka free food and skins). A little spice to make you either go "oh cr@p" or reload last save. I would kind of welcome seeing some massive swamp like creature make it's way through my walls (4x4 path not 1x1) and tunnel it's way to my food stocks unless I napalm it into fertilizer. Heck give them immunity / resistances to certain weapons as to force the player to utilize all ranges of weapons.
As for late game why not glitter world construction. Requires a ton of plasteel and basically makes your colony into an established outpost / glitter world. You could have plasteel sentry turrets and walls that pretty much withstand attacks. You can still ship off the rock but you have the option to build your colony into a stronghold. Once your done you can pick another location on planet and begin making outposts to colonize the planet while retaining (limited) trade links to your old base.
All games become boring after awhile. Everyone's attention span differs.
I think there should be some sort of lategame part where u get to attack. I know that raiding AI bases has been talked to death. But i think there should be some lategame event where a mostly intact starship crashes and replaces a chunk of the map. You cant see inside till your guys go in, so u have no idea what ur in for. Could be traders in need of help. Could be an AI run ship with no crew you can plunder at will, could be a pirate ship filled with hostile mercs defending thier loot. Could be military from a midworld that think your tresspasing and respond accordingly, could be glitterworld troopers that find u inferior and in need of extermination. Could even be a mechanoid ship filled with genocidal robats that only want to screw u over.
Point is this only adds a few things and one new event, but creates a whole new problem for lategame players, as they face the risk and uncertainty of such an event, but maybe its worth the reward. I just think this adds a good new dynamic to the game.
Quote from: Didact04 on November 17, 2015, 01:11:49 AM
The game is, at most, half finished.
Not the way that Ty sees it. He's said a few times recently that he considers it almost finished. In fact (ill dig up the quote need be) he said recently that he could pretty much do a final bug bash and consider it complete any time now.
There's a lot more I'd like to see in Rimworld, and a lot of room for it to grow in terms of AI and system interaction and "world" presence, but you have to ask yourself... how many single-player games do I have in my library that don't get a little boring after a few hundred hours of accumulated play?
Quote from: Mikhail Reign on December 03, 2015, 03:48:59 AM
Quote from: Didact04 on November 17, 2015, 01:11:49 AM
The game is, at most, half finished.
Not the way that Ty sees it. He's said a few times recently that he considers it almost finished. In fact (ill dig up the quote need be) he said recently that he could pretty much do a final bug bash and consider it complete any time now.
Yeah, exactly. If this IS "finished" game then it's really boring. If Tynan would stop making updates i would rate this "finished" version like 6/10 or 7/10 (for being mod open). Why? Because at first it's amazing game, but after you'll play on all biomes all what you can do is set challenges for yourself or add mods to make game interesting.
Make your whole crew bionic.
Try to max out some skills (Harder then you would think).
Buy some thrumbo's and breed them.
Make everything masterwork quality.
Another idea i tried was create a base of psychopaths capture travelers ect and sell them ect its more enjoyable because the characters don't care if you sell raiders.