Anyone ever eaten a meal without a table? I have.
As long as I'm eating okay food, the presence of a table doesn't even bother me. The fact rimworld has a -3 mood debuff for this is quite bizarre. If you're fighting for survival in a hostile world I really think eating at a table is the last of your worries.
The table debuff is what unites all rimworld players. The hatred brings us closer together. Would people bring it up as much if it was only -1? Idk. It has become the last straw for so many pawns and the fact they lose their shit over it is hilarious. I like to think that things like this debuff, hats, harvesting organs, pyromaniacs etc are mostly there to give us something to talk about when trying to entice someone to check out the game. The bizarre thing (good kind of bizarre) is we got tornados, Drugs, mechs, infestations etc yet one of your first posts wants to about the table debuff. 😊
By the way... Welcome to the forum!
I went camping once and we had to eat without a table. I punched my friend in the chest shattering his rib, and then went wandering naked in the woods.
10/10 for realism.
Uncivilized Barbarians :)
I never eat without a table even when your out in the wilds or so you can use something for an improvised table. I probably would go all stone-age if I had to.
That said for my colony I now have to administer Psychoid Pekoe where going drug-free before. Its mainly due to the common combination of marriage breakups, crossbow bolt scars in your face and eating without table.
I heavily don't eat in tables in RL, if they are just junk food or sandwiches or burgers...
I eat them in computer desks... or at least a place i can sit on. Unless the food is steak or chicken with rice.
But of course i will not like eating my noodles in the floor or in the corner, That would make me throw a tantrum and break a sculpture or painting in my house because i ate in the floor, Because there are dust and ants around!
Yup i might get multiple mood debuff because i didn't ate in the floor but... the dogs stole my meal that i was trying to eat in the floor! >:( -30 Mood debuff
Agree, eating without a table makes no sense to gain mood penalties. I'm an outdoorsy myself and had many meals just sitting on a rock or on grass, or even a wood plank... and instead, got mood buffs!
I think i read somewhere about suggesting a new trait called "outdoorsman" or something along those lines. Can't remember what it was supposed to do, but neutralizing the eating without table debuff would be a nice fit.
Quote from: Scarecrow on December 12, 2017, 10:33:48 PM
Anyone ever eaten a meal without a table? I have.
As long as I'm eating okay food, the presence of a table doesn't even bother me. The fact rimworld has a -3 mood debuff for this is quite bizarre. If you're fighting for survival in a hostile world I really think eating at a table is the last of your worries.
You are upset because of the -3 debuff, but what about the +20 buff from "Very low expectation" you got at the beginning ?
Isn't that what you argue ?
And once you colony develop up a bit, you people can eat fine meal (+5) to counter these ate without table debuff.
Quote from: lancar on December 13, 2017, 03:55:30 AM
I think i read somewhere about suggesting a new trait called "outdoorsman" or something along those lines. Can't remember what it was supposed to do, but neutralizing the eating without table debuff would be a nice fit.
I think in the RimWorld Reddit though. I made a suggestion in typical Tuesday suggestion in the past months with some trait called the Messy Eater. No Mood penalties for eating without a table but makes a mess for the cleaners to clean up after eating and a -6 or -3 cooking penalty something like that.
I see why it's there, but I think it should be reduced until the colony advances to the point where having a table to use is a more realistic expectation.
I have eaten without a table and it has not bothered me. What would bother me is if I had to eat without a place to sit down.
I think that the debuff is just named poorly. Perhaps it should be renamed to "Had to eat standing up".
Quote from: Morak on December 13, 2017, 08:27:05 AM
I have eaten without a table and it has not bothered me. What would bother me is if I had to eat without a place to sit down.
I think that the debuff is just named poorly. Perhaps it should be renamed to "Had to eat standing up".
Except the popup for it says the pawn didn't like eating off the ground like an animal, so they ARE sitting down. They really just don't have something to put the food on.
Quote from: Morak on December 13, 2017, 08:27:05 AM
I have eaten without a table and it has not bothered me. What would bother me is if I had to eat without a place to sit down.
I think that the debuff is just named poorly. Perhaps it should be renamed to "Had to eat standing up".
Eating standing up is more annoying than eating without a table, but why wouldn't they be able to sit down most of the time?
Eating without table doesn't bother me the slightest. Eating while standing on the other hand...
Quote from: Canute on December 13, 2017, 04:09:13 AM
but what about the +20 buff from "Very low expectation" you got at the beginning ?
I swear, I never ever had the +20 buff from "Very low expectation" in my whole life. I was pissed from day 1.
If i were eating while standing, and if it's a potato chips or a sandwich or an burger. I wouldn't care since i walk around freely with them in my hand.
But if it was spaghetti or cup noodles or a steak in the other hand. Yeah won't like that eating while standing. I would mostly find a place to sit on besides the floor or leaning to a wall. I would mostly sit on the chair on the sofa without a table!
Ofc, I don't need a table to eat a sandwich.
Quote from: Hans Lemurson on December 13, 2017, 02:59:42 AM
I went camping once and we had to eat without a table. I punched my friend in the chest shattering his rib, and then went wandering naked in the woods.
10/10 for realism.
He didn't even lose a finger? I call BS then.
Quote from: Canute on December 13, 2017, 04:09:13 AM
You are upset because of the -3 debuff, but what about the +20 buff from "Very low expectation" you got at the beginning ?
Isn't that what you argue ?
And once you colony develop up a bit, you people can eat fine meal (+5) to counter these ate without table debuff.
I'm not upset, I was simply making conversation. But yeah, I don't think getting upset over not eating at a table is a normal thing to do. I kind of understand what you're saying but like I said, it's weird how you're trapped on a planet filled with pirates, mechanoids and giant bugs (that all want to kill you) and you then worry about not eating at a table. Worries like that should always be on your mind. If you ask me, somebody in that kind of situation should be happy that they're simply getting some food in the first place.
I eat probably less than 1% of my meals on a table. The thing though that I find weird about the debuff is the description of it when they say "Can we get a table around here?!" indignantly as if having a table to eat off is a reasonable expectation. The problem is the only time they get this mood debuff is when having a table is not a reasonable expectation: early colony before beds/shelter/meal source/etc have been established, you're attacking an enemy outpost or just got attacked during a raid, you're on other side of map away from colony for some reason, etc.
Quote from: Songleaves on December 14, 2017, 01:50:56 AM
I eat probably less than 1% of my meals on a table. The thing though that I find weird about the debuff is the description of it when they say "Can we get a table around here?!" indignantly as if having a table to eat off is a reasonable expectation.
Right, but don't you get this nagging feeling of
wrongness for the next 12 hours whenever you have your meals?
Once I ate without a table. The wind picked up and blew my plate over. I flee into a rage and began a fire starting spree. After 18 hours, I calmned down and sat down to eat a new meal while the world around me burned.
You are upset because of the -3 debuff, but what about the +20 buff from "Very low expectation" you got at the beginning ?
Isn't that what you argue ?
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Quote from: Dashthechinchilla on December 14, 2017, 09:21:02 AM
Once I ate without a table. The wind picked up and blew my plate over. I flee into a rage and began a fire starting spree. After 18 hours, I calmned down and sat down to eat a new meal while the world around me burned.
And did you say that this was fine?
I understand the debuf for no table to eat at. Yes you can eat food while no sitting at a table (A computer desk counts as a table IMO) but after a while you would probably be looking at getting somewhere comfortable and efficient.
Tribal start players probably are the only ones with a genuine argument as the tribal's might have no concept of eating at a table so why the debuf.
Also now being able to build a 1x2 table really is not an issue in resources or space.
Quote from: Vlad0mi3r on December 14, 2017, 04:19:39 PM
Tribal start players probably are the only ones with a genuine argument as the tribal's might have no concept of eating at a table so why the debuf.
NO.
NO. NOI really hate this argument, to the point where I knee-jerk into a frothing rage whenever I see it.
People have known about furniture and the like for over 10,000 years, since
before the Neolithic Revolution. People have known about beds. People have known about shirts and trousers and shoes and tables and artificial light and ovens and stoves and means of preserving food. People have known about pretty much every article of clothing, every piece of furniture, pretty much every equivalent to modern amenities there is, with the obvious exception of electricity and the like.
Give me one reason,
one good reason, as to why Tribals get portrayed as mouth-breathing, paint-chip-eating, incompetent half-wits, please.
-deep breath-
All that aside, the 'didn't eat at a table debuff" is one of the worst in a long line of extremely-annoying debuffs that make no sense. Be happy you have a roof over your head, food to eat, and warmth to warm your sorry hide with, for Christ's sake.
Yeah tribes not having access to standard beds is pretty arbitrary and silly. Bedrolls have some nice utility for travel or terrible constructors, but to be incapable of beds?
Quote from: Boston on December 14, 2017, 04:43:53 PM
I really hate this argument, to the point where I knee-jerk into a frothing rage whenever I see it.
Give me one reason, one good reason, as to why Tribals get portrayed as mouth-breathing, paint-chip-eating, incompetent half-wits, please.
Goodo, glad your emotional state is so fragile.
I am guessing you are not familiar with the nomadic indigenous tribes of pre-colonial settlement in Australia. No pack animals so the movement of large pieces of furniture like tables was impractical and also unnecessary for the lifestyle lived. Apart from not needing large pieces of static furniture in their lives indigenous Australians also lived in harmony and balance with their natural environment.
Your extrapolation of my comment into:
Tribals get portrayed as mouth-breathing, paint-chip-eating, incompetent half-wits, please.
Is a very long stretch and you have made some rather stupid assumptions. If you would like to put yourself into the, mouth-breathing, paint-chip-eating, incompetent half-wit category you have my full support.
I think the main problem is that there's a bunch of mood penalties that are simply too minor or unreasonable when it comes to causing mental breaks. Eating spaghetti by sitting on he floor with a bowl in your lap may not be ideal, and could very much make for a "Not great day", but it's unreasonable your response would be to murder your buddy and then wonder off into the woods naked.
Certain moodlets should simply not be capable of causing a mental break. At least not the major ones. Alternately, make simple meals negate the "ate without table" penalty, as they are SIMPLE meals like a sandwich, burger, or riceball, that's easy to eat on the move. Fine and lavish meals being more complex stuff your will really want a table and sit down for, like the aforementioned spaghetti.
I'd also like to see some mitigating circumstances for other situations, for example, someone who is starving should gain a mitigating moodlet to avoid a mental break if they are currently gathering/preparing food. It makes no sense that someone who is starving, while carrying some meat to the stove to make food, then randomly decided to drop it on the floor and go starve in his room.... Possibly with the minor exception that they automatically force eat the food the moment it's ready, despite any alternate commands.
For that matter, some of the softer breaks (wandering in a daze, hiding in room, etc) ought to be change to the affected pawns still take care of their basic needs like eating/sleeping. They don't do any work, but they really should at least eat, unless they are intentionally trying to starve themselves to death.
Look, this isn't hard to figure out. This has nothing to do with realism. The point of the -3 debuff is to give you a reason to go through the trouble to build a nice dining table and stools for your pawns to eat off. Because let's face it, if they didn't get some bonus for it, we would be too lazy to care. "Go ahead you dumb pawn, eat your meal in the freezer next to the animal corpses!"
It's a game. Relax, enjoy it.
The stupidity of pawns when they're having mental breaks is arguably a much bigger pain. They should certainly feed themselves and go to sleep when they're tired and all that. The only thing they shouldn't do is useful labor. And they should run the hell out of there if something attacks them.
Quote from: Daimonin on December 14, 2017, 06:57:13 PM
I think the main problem is that there's a bunch of mood penalties that are simply too minor or unreasonable when it comes to causing mental breaks. Eating spaghetti by sitting on he floor with a bowl in your lap may not be ideal, and could very much make for a "Not great day", but it's unreasonable your response would be to murder your buddy and then wonder off into the woods naked.
Certain moodlets should simply not be capable of causing a mental break. At least not the major ones. Alternately, make simple meals negate the "ate without table" penalty, as they are SIMPLE meals like a sandwich, burger, or riceball, that's easy to eat on the move. Fine and lavish meals being more complex stuff your will really want a table and sit down for, like the aforementioned spaghetti.
I'd also like to see some mitigating circumstances for other situations, for example, someone who is starving should gain a mitigating moodlet to avoid a mental break if they are currently gathering/preparing food. It makes no sense that someone who is starving, while carrying some meat to the stove to make food, then randomly decided to drop it on the floor and go starve in his room.... Possibly with the minor exception that they automatically force eat the food the moment it's ready, despite any alternate commands.
For that matter, some of the softer breaks (wandering in a daze, hiding in room, etc) ought to be change to the affected pawns still take care of their basic needs like eating/sleeping. They don't do any work, but they really should at least eat, unless they are intentionally trying to starve themselves to death.
10x this post. I 100% agree, and made a thread about it way back.
Quote from: Dashthechinchilla on December 14, 2017, 09:21:02 AM
Once I ate without a table. The wind picked up and blew my plate over. I flee into a rage and began a fire starting spree. After 18 hours, I calmned down and sat down to eat a new meal while the world around me burned.
LOL
Wait... are you telling me that people actually sit down at tables to eat?
Marvin has broken down and is wandering sadly.
The last straw was: my chair needs a table.