Show me your new base designs incorporating heating/cooling considerations!
Here's mine:
(http://toastology.com/junx/rimworld/RimworldA8-BlindLuck.png)
I'm funneling all my waste heat into the hallway that opens into my grow zones. I think in future variations I will probably put in an "airlock" between the trade beacon/stockpile/entrance and the grow zones, and put the heating corridor "deeper" into my base. I've been fiddling with these designs to the point that I have yet to actually go through my first winter because I keep restarting to try a new layout.
I'm also paying more attention to room designs for spaciousness. It seems like you have to place the beds such that the colonist's head is close to the center of the room. But if you do that, then a 6x6 room can hold a bed and a production table of some kind and still be "spacious."
This pic probably wont fit on the page because it's too large, but whatever.
Every room has at least one heater and cooler, to always keep a steady temperature. The air gets directed via airducts outside.
All colonists have a 5x5 room with legendary steel art, a plant, a royal bed, a light and a wooden floor.
at the bottom is the vault for the silver if I have too much. And on the other side are body parts stored.
The freezer is where dead animals and food is stored and cooked.
In the centre I have a storage for general goods.
The outside floor is wood against fire and lightning.
(http://i.imgur.com/RpgMQrx.png)
Its still a bit of a WIP (In that the colonists still live in a small barracks together) but this is the setup of my current colony :)
(http://i.imgur.com/yQcOccA.png)
Quote from: Innese on December 30, 2014, 10:04:29 PM
Its still a bit of a WIP (In that the colonists still live in a small barracks together) but this is the setup of my current colony :)
Fully loaded batteries, don't you think that's dangerous? I have no batteries because they always caused explosions and caused my bases to burn down
I've actually started building fewer doors now that temperature is a thing. That way I can put all of the ac units or heaters in one small spot and have them maintain the temperature of the whole base that way. A series of two very small airlocks seems to work great in keeping the cold out even when it's -50 F.
Quote from: Geertje123 on December 31, 2014, 06:51:21 AM
Quote from: Innese on December 30, 2014, 10:04:29 PM
Its still a bit of a WIP (In that the colonists still live in a small barracks together) but this is the setup of my current colony :)
Fully loaded batteries, don't you think that's dangerous? I have no batteries because they always caused explosions and caused my bases to burn down
So far I haven't had a single explosion, so I might just be lucky :)
Quote from: EscapeZeppelin on December 31, 2014, 09:13:58 AM
I've actually started building fewer doors now that temperature is a thing. That way I can put all of the ac units or heaters in one small spot and have them maintain the temperature of the whole base that way. A series of two very small airlocks seems to work great in keeping the cold out even when it's -50 F.
That sounds like it'll cause the 'sharing a room' debuff. I suggest using doors for sleeping quarters, and prop the door open with something. I like to use pants and shirts that I strip from dead raiders - no speed loss for my colonists, but it keeps the doors open which lets the temperature (mostly) normalize.
I use a simple tunnel leading to a chimney on the exterior of my base, with some access doors located all around.
in case of a fire ( super rare ) i would just deconstruct a door and expose the inside to the outdoors to prevent heatstroke killing the fire stomping buffoons.
To anyone afraid of batteries its a simple thing. Short outs happen to all electrical devices, but in a battery room you have the largest concentration of things that could trigger a short out event all in 1 spot so its very likely an event will happen to a battery or near it causing sudden Michael Bay syndrome. To completely eliminate any issues with batteries simply use them everywhere far apart. Any fault or explosion is likely to be small and inside a conduit or something not a battery.
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19143385/rimworldvents.png)
There's a mod that has a room fan in it which is pretty handy.
Quote from: Spoonikle on December 31, 2014, 03:37:19 PMShort outs happen to all electrical devices
This is false. They only happen if you have a battery somewhere. I reached year 11 and haven't ever had a shortcut. The only time I got it was in the beginning of year one when I used solar panels and batteries
I've had shorts without having ever built a single battery. That was an alpha or two ago - I don't use batteries much, so no recent experience. But definitely had a conduit wall explode when my only power was geothermal.
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Well i dont need a cooling since every colonist get hypothermia atleast once a day :D
But i need to make special airlocks so temp inside dont get to low since each time colonist open a door its around instant -20 to current degree in that room.
And that kinda sux when you get a solarflare :D
Quote from: milon on January 01, 2015, 05:02:06 PM
I've had shorts without having ever built a single battery. That was an alpha or two ago - I don't use batteries much, so no recent experience. But definitely had a conduit wall explode when my only power was geothermal.
Oh, weird. I must be lucky then :p
Short circuits seem to be a condition of either weather exposure or power draw on the battery. Not sure about the second one though.
Shortouts ONLY occur when at least a single battery is connected to a power circuit. You can have tons of charged batteries lying around; as long as none is connected to any power cord, you are safe. This applies to both alpha 7 & 8.
A common tactic is to have a room with reserve batteries, fully charge them and then deconstruct a single piece of power cord connecting them to the main circuit. That way, accidental explosions are practically unheard of and - in the event some raid leaves your power production capabilities limited - you can simply reconnect the one power cord and continue to function for a while until your base has other power sources available.
IMO, this behaviour is nonsensical - I currently have three geothermal and ten wind-powered sources and no batteries at all. The power coursing through my circuit is huge - but no chance of explosion whatsoever. Connect a SINGLE battery and see what happens. Also, if batteries are the source of said explosions, why don't the batteries explode but a random piece of wiring? It makes no sense! :o
Ok I have experimented a little with this and seems a single roofless tile next to a cooler is enough to keep it functional.
So if you have a mountain dwelling, for each room, make a one-tile add-on that is not connected to anything else. Put the cooler in between the room and the add-on and make that single tile roofless.
I don't know if that would enable raiders to drop on those single tiles though.
Quote from: ParadogssGamer on January 03, 2015, 10:44:54 AM
Ok I have experimented a little with this and seems a single roofless tile next to a cooler is enough to keep it functional.
So if you have a mountain dwelling, for each room, make a one-tile add-on that is not connected to anything else. Put the cooler in between the room and the add-on and make that single tile roofless.
I don't know if that would enable raiders to drop on those single tiles though.
Unfortunately this is not always possible due to overhead mountain, so that's what the shafts are for
How do you know if an area of mountain has overhead mountain or not before you mine it?
Quote from: ParadogssGamer on January 04, 2015, 06:18:03 AM
How do you know if an area of mountain has overhead mountain or not before you mine it?
Well, apart from sometimes hidden open area's, the inside of all mountains are overhead. Only a few blocks away from the edge is thin roof.
I see. I did my experiment a few blocks from the edge, so maybe that's why it worked.
Thing to consider though. If you did it anyway, and that single tile has overhead mountain, it would heat up to above 100C. Would that be a problem as long as the room is cooled?
Quote from: ParadogssGamer on January 04, 2015, 06:31:13 AM
I see. I did my experiment a few blocks from the edge, so maybe that's why it worked.
Thing to consider though. If you did it anyway, and that single tile has overhead mountain, it would heat up to above 100C. Would that be a problem as long as the room is cooled?
The room wouldn't cool properly anymore if the temperature on the other side is too high. You would need more coolers to give it more strength :)
Is everyone using "airvents"?
This is my basic mountain colony style, as i rarely bother planning for a +20 colony.
http://youtu.be/YI9dvggbo4Q?list=UUDJc7P6VQ03Vss1G6IQqevg
So basically nobody has figures out a way to keep mountain dwellings cool without having air vents going to the outside?
Quote from: Feirfec on January 04, 2015, 09:05:32 AMIs everyone using "airvents"?
I do. My colonists don't really enjoy sleeping in 40 degree Celsius chambers, or -10 in winter.
Quote from: ParadogssGamer on January 04, 2015, 09:11:01 AM
So basically nobody has figures out a way to keep mountain dwellings cool without having air vents going to the outside?
I don't really understand why that is weird. It's like this in real life as well. I think it's fun designing the vent system and checking what the best routes are.
Nobody said it was weird. Just trying to build the best possible fortress.
When the weather outside is hot, the vents would get even hotter wouldn't they?
Quote from: ParadogssGamer on January 04, 2015, 09:53:22 AM
Nobody said it was weird. Just trying to build the best possible fortress.
When the weather outside is hot, the vents would get even hotter wouldn't they?
Nah they wont, if the whole vent is connect to even a single outside block, the whole vent takes the outside temperature, that's why the vents are so ideal :D
So in theory you could just have the main hallway have no door, thus connecting to the outside and it would never overheat no matter how many coolers are spewing hot air into it?
I'm still confused.
Quote from: ParadogssGamer on January 04, 2015, 10:45:23 AM
So in theory you could just have the main hallway have no door, thus connecting to the outside and it would never overheat no matter how many coolers are spewing hot air into it?
I'm still confused.
Yup :D
Quote from: Geertje123 on January 04, 2015, 02:59:01 PM
Quote from: ParadogssGamer on January 04, 2015, 10:45:23 AM
So in theory you could just have the main hallway have no door, thus connecting to the outside and it would never overheat no matter how many coolers are spewing hot air into it?
I'm still confused.
Yup :D
At least until global warming melts the ice caps :D but we only have that here on Earth. Rimworld would stand another maybe a few hundred years of a single colony spewing out AC heat out of vents before the climate goes out of whack.
you could piggy back coolers from internal rooms outward.
exhaust port throwing into a room regulated by another cooler and so on, you'd need a heater at the heart of the base to make it all "work"
Quote from: Feirfec on January 05, 2015, 05:14:42 AM
you could piggy back coolers from internal rooms outward.
exhaust port throwing into a room regulated by another cooler and so on, you'd need a heater at the heart of the base to make it all "work"
Heat regulation will be harder this way due to room sizes
Quote from: ParadogssGamer on January 04, 2015, 10:45:23 AM
So in theory you could just have the main hallway have no door, thus connecting to the outside and it would never overheat no matter how many coolers are spewing hot air into it?
I'm still confused.
This is actually how air conditioners work in the real world. The heat generated by the process is shunted outside. Though 'fridges and and freezers don't work that way. Come to think of it, I don't actually know how fridges work IRL....
I find it fascinating that so many other people are putting HVAC equipment in every room, and so many people are building underground structures.
Quote from: amul on January 05, 2015, 10:21:43 PM
Quote from: ParadogssGamer on January 04, 2015, 10:45:23 AM
So in theory you could just have the main hallway have no door, thus connecting to the outside and it would never overheat no matter how many coolers are spewing hot air into it?
I'm still confused.
This is actually how air conditioners work in the real world. The heat generated by the process is shunted outside. Though 'fridges and and freezers don't work that way. Come to think of it, I don't actually know how fridges work IRL....
I find it fascinating that so many other people are putting HVAC equipment in every room, and so many people are building underground structures.
The back of fridges get really warm and let out heat. :)
(http://hostedmedia.reimanpub.com/TFH/Step-By-Step/FH02FEB_FRIDGM_04.JPG)
To prevent cool air from escaping my freezer, I have a small room to act as a buffer. Overall I don't waste too much power and I can charge my battery up easily. Look at the illustration. The door placement is for faster movement.
The same concept can be apply the same way to cool the room by cooling the connecting hallway. The room and hallway are divided by 1 door. Get a few coolers for the hall way and set to 16deg C and the room will be around 25deg. Hence I do not need a cooler for every room.
When winter comes, I just use the heat from the geyser.
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Quote from: amul on January 05, 2015, 10:21:43 PM
Come to think of it, I don't actually know how fridges work IRL....
Fridges work by removing heat. Cold and hot are human concepts but in reality there are only various degrees of hot. Fridges simply absorb heat from the inside of the fridge and carry it to the outside where the excess heat is released into the room. The heat absorption is performed by a coolant liquid that runs inside the pipes right behind the fridge panels. The coolant liquid is being pumped around almost constantly, about 10-50% of the time, or simply whenever you hear your fridge operating.
That might not be the whole truth though... This doesn't feel 100% right. Not looking wikipedia even though it whispers to me softly. Must resist the seduction of wikipedia. Anyway, fridge keeps your food cold AND warms your home. How
cool is that? Ha! Haha! Ahhh... Ehh... Hmm. *sigh*
Fridges work pretty much as you described, but the operation itself also produces some heat. Entropy and less than 100% efficiency and all that.